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Title: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Melisande on January 09, 2006, 09:34:49 PM
What is your favorite quote from the film or story? Why?

Thanks AvgGuyIA for suggesting this topic!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Scott88 on January 09, 2006, 09:50:34 PM
You know, this often changes for me (depending on my mood, I suppose), but I find that I keep going back to this one...

Jack:  "You know, it could be like this...just like this...always."


For me, it's a lyrical statement that encapsulates what this story is about:   love, hope, and the tragedy of missed opportunity. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Melisande on January 09, 2006, 10:24:30 PM
This is my favorite from the story. I'll have to see the movie again to decide on which I like best.  ;D

"I like doin it with women, yeah, but Jesus H., ain't nothin like this. I never had no thoughts a doin it with another guy except I sure wrang it out a hunderd times thinkin about you."


This is Ennis saying this. Showing so much of what he feels to Jack right here. Wrang it out a hunderd times? How many people would admit that to someone? Let themselves be so vulnerable? And the statement of how good it is with Jack. How it's not like that with anyone else. It just tears at my heart, to see him share this with Jack.

Plus, it's hot. And think of what a nice image it gives Jack to take away with him, for when he's wringing it out, thinking of Ennis.     
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mdpsdca on January 09, 2006, 10:45:47 PM
'What I don't know won't get you hurt"...

Ennis' statement to Jack when,  after Jack has already told him that he has been doing this gal in Texas, mentions about going to Mexico to get relief (suggesting male sex)...Ennis isn't a bit bothered that Jack has been with a woman, but the thought of being with another man is something he cannot compete with or handle...

I think this is the one time in the film when Ennis, in his own remarkable way, is trying to get it through to Jack that he 'loves' him.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: andyincolorado on January 09, 2006, 10:46:43 PM
This is unquestionably my favorite quote:

JACK
(looks at Ennis)
"Tell you what...truth is, sometimes I miss you so bad I can hardly stand it..."

How often I've had this same line as a thought in my head and was unable to speak out to someone I really cared for.
I envied Jack's ability to express himself when he really had to.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 09, 2006, 11:14:03 PM
They were respectful of each other’s opinions, each glad to have a companion where none had been expected. Riding back in the treacherous, drunken light, he thought he’d never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon.

it would be so good to have a beloved for whom i had this feeling again.

jack
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: lena on January 10, 2006, 09:12:49 AM
my favorite jack lines (there are SO MANY,and i'm not going to get these perfect cause i'm typing this quickly at work so feel free to provide the exact quotes): "we got a bitch of an unsatisfactory situation here" and "i'm commutin' 4 hours a day"
just so freaking cute!

my favorite ennis line: "if this thing takes over us at the wrong place, and the wrong time..."
such a powerful delivery and so much going on in his eyes.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: lauren on January 10, 2006, 09:45:53 AM

For now anyway, from the film, it's:

Jack: "What do you see up there in heaven?"

Ennis: "I'm sending up a prayer of thanks."

"For What?"

"That you didn't bring that that harmonica" 

"You know it could be like this, just like this, always."   
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Stuartwm on January 10, 2006, 11:40:48 AM
Jack in the motel:

"Swear to god I didn't know we was goin a get into this again--yeah, I did. Why I'm here. I fuckin knew it. Redlined all the way, couldn't get here fast enough."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Cambridge on January 10, 2006, 12:51:27 PM
Just came back from seeing it a third time (played hooky - long lunch hour) and my favorite's Ennis' simple statement from the porch down to the bottom of the stairs after four years apart: "Jack Fuckin' Twist".

There's about 1500 days of longing in those three words.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 10, 2006, 02:35:11 PM
Jack in the motel:

"Swear to god I didn't know we was goin a get into this again--yeah, I did. Why I'm here. I fuckin knew it. Redlined all the way, couldn't get here fast enough."

stuart, you slut!!   ;)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cole4477 on January 10, 2006, 05:56:32 PM
"we got a bitch of an unsatisfactory situation here"

I love this line, but i think its "What we got here is a god dammed bitch of an unsatisfactory situation"

I also love when Jack says "Sheeit...that's hard" and "Fast or slow..I just like the direction you're headed"

And what about "You shit down, you old son of a bitch...this is my house, this is my child and you are my guest.. you sit down before I knock your ignorant ass into next week."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: AvgGuyIA on January 10, 2006, 06:03:05 PM
Thank you Melisande for choosing my topic for its own thread.  I've enjoyed reading the previous ones and look forward to others sharing as well.

Well...as you can see in the text block under my name, I chose from the book: "Alma? It ain't her fault."  It's much the same in the movie, but since I've only seen it once, I forget the entire quote from the movie.  Why I chose that line is because it speaks volumes about me and my relationship with Mrs. AvgGuyIA.  You see, I'm Ennis...my wife has been married to meover 30 years.  We have kids all grown and out on their own.  Just me and the wife here now. 

We should be having the time of our lives and should have all along, but something's been holding me back and I have been holding back.  Something's missing in my life and I know it.  But because I've lived with her for so long, I just can't toss this life (bed I've made) away bringing her pain because our marriage has been a farce.  So I choose to continue on and living this lie.  Thankfully, I haven't found my Jack because I don't know if I could handle the pain.  It's bad enough living with regrets, but until the Mrs dies or I do, I don't see any changes in store for me.

This is a very powerful movie and the story speaks to Legions of men and women.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: sparky on January 10, 2006, 06:55:02 PM
It's got to be this:

"Jack, much older now, watches the pickup truck, and his other half, fade away into the distance, that dozy embrace solidified in his memory as the single moment of artless, charmed happiness in their separate and difficult lives."

Absolutely breaks my heart.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: lightsrays05 on January 10, 2006, 07:04:17 PM
Quote
it'd be some sweet life.

For me that quote sums up the whole drama of the story...

The unfulfilled dreams. The hopes. The longing.

All in vain...

But looking for the quote I think I found the story available for FREE on the net:

http://www.wesjones.com/brokeback.htm

Have fun!

As much fun as Jack had hoped to have with Ennis, but "it never came to pass"....




Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: CellarDweller115 on January 10, 2006, 07:27:13 PM
there are way too many quotes that I love from this movie.

I will say that I loved the way Ennis would tease Jack.  The comments about the harmonica and rodeo cowboys were great.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aceygirl on January 10, 2006, 07:37:07 PM
Indeed, there are SO many awesome quotes BOTH from the book and from the movie...

But one of the ones that really resonate for me is "If you can't fix it you gotta stand it." That sums up Ennis's philosophy of life for me. It's both admirable and tragic. One the one hand, he's pragmatic, he does what he thinks is necessary to keep himself and Jack safe. He tries to compromise by having the occasional trysts. Better something than nothing for Ennis. His more cautious way of things kept him alive where Jack's idealism and longing eventually killed him (or so it seems). Yet, in the end, nothing ventured, nothing gained for Ennis. He has the memory of Jack and the occasional trysts, but it's just a fraction of what they COULD have had. He stood it, but he never tried to fix it.

And in contrast to that, is Jack's quote "Never enough time, never enough." Jack was not content with the halfway, the "standing it." It just was not enough.

And then there's Cassie's quote: "Girls don't fall in love with fun!" (We might get infatuated or enamored with it, but that's not love!) Certainly that was true of EVERYONE who loved Ennis!

There's a book-only quote which is lovely, where Jack says the sky is so blue you might drown in it....

Oh... lord, I need to see the movie again....

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Carl on January 10, 2006, 07:41:16 PM
One of my favorite scenes, is early in the film where Ennis is talking about his brothers and sisters.  After a bit, Jack gives him that famous "look" out of the corner of his eye and Ennis says ..."whut".  Jack says "Friend, that's the most words you said in two weeks."; and Ennis says "that's the most words I've said in a year." Ennis is now ready to share.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: kumari on January 10, 2006, 08:18:12 PM
From the short story:
...and Ennis, not big on endearments, said what he said to his horses and daughters, little darlin.

The first time I read this line, my heart actually fluttered as if I was having my first kiss. Wow.

From the film:
This Kurt fella...Does he love you?

So sweet, so perfect. Ennis has learned something from his tremendous loss.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: kumari on January 10, 2006, 08:25:34 PM
Just came back from seeing it a third time (played hooky - long lunch hour) and my favorite's Ennis' simple statement from the porch down to the bottom of the stairs after four years apart: "Jack Fuckin' Twist".

There's about 1500 days of longing in those three words.



He actually calls him this a few times in the film and I love it every time.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Stuartwm on January 10, 2006, 09:00:26 PM
Jack in the motel:

"Swear to god I didn't know we was goin a get into this again--yeah, I did. Why I'm here. I fuckin knew it. Redlined all the way, couldn't get here fast enough."

stuart, you slut!!   ;)

I prefer to say that I just have a lot of love to give.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Caroline on January 10, 2006, 10:04:45 PM
The way that Ennis says "There ain't no reins on this one" the way that he emotes when he is saying this.. you can see that he has just said it from deep within his soul.. and then Jack reaches over and caresses his face... so devastating and hot too...

I can just imagine that they then went and made love by the fire.. " The sparks flying up with their truths and lies.. not for the first time.. and they rolled down into the dirt. One thing never changed: the brilliant charge of their infrequent couplings was charged by the sense of time flying, never enough time, never enough"
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: peteinportland on January 10, 2006, 10:55:38 PM
I knew better than to peek in here. I knew better. *shakes head* I knew this thread would make me cry.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: sparky on January 11, 2006, 03:32:52 AM
One of my favorite scenes, is early in the film where Ennis is talking about his brothers and sisters.  After a bit, Jack gives him that famous "look" out of the corner of his eye and Ennis says ..."whut".  Jack says "Friend, that's the most words you said in two weeks."; and Ennis says "that's the most words I've said in a year." Ennis is now ready to share.

When he utters that "whut" in the film and looks at Jack with that little smirk, I swear I totally fall in love with him.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 11, 2006, 04:00:36 AM
hi sparky...

and in that one word, whut, he is acknowledging that he knows jack cares for him, for he has seen the love in jack's eyes, the adoration in jack's look.

ahhhhhhhh

been there remember that
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: thomastom on January 11, 2006, 05:20:02 AM
I think the line of the film that made my heart jump into my throat more than any other, was not a spoken line but a written one: Ennis' two-word response to the first postcard Jack sends him (suggesting they meet up again): you bet.

Just perfectly encapsulates Ennis' joy and excitement in a way that's 100% in keeping with his monosyllabic character.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on January 11, 2006, 06:38:33 AM
Too many to single out just one.  (someone want to start a poll in here???  )

"Never enough time, never enough."

the postcard Ennis sends w/ "You Bet" written on it.

in the book where Ennis feels like he could "paw the white outta the moon."

the dozy embrace scene where Ennis embraces Jack from behind, "You're asleep on your feet just like a horse.  My mom used to say that to me when I was little" and he starts humming a wordless tune from his childhood - a very fragile moment between them.

"lil darlin'" from the book.

ah....too many to name.  too many.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: carljn on January 11, 2006, 07:21:21 AM
"Jack, I swear --"

I just get chills when I remeber this line. 

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: amdaz on January 11, 2006, 07:31:06 AM
All of those things you people wrote.
But I love the little things too.
Just like when Ennis fuzz about the tent and Jack playing harmonica.
Ennis said " well if I got lucky that harmonica would have been broken too" and Jack had this HUGE grin on his face.
Again Ennis repeating the complaint about the harmonica after they separated the sheep.
"you gonna drive them away again if you don't stop" and the look of total love and indulgent he gave Jack always takes my breath away.

What a perfect movie.
Title: Four words from the story
Post by: Cambridge on January 11, 2006, 08:44:43 AM
Which speak to me of Jack's inate goodness and never-ending hope, in his bittersweet remembrance of their one moment of unalloyed happiness, standing in Ennis' arms by the fire: "Let be. Let be." Jack never gives up on his dreams, and that's why I love him.

Or as another dreamer once wrote about still another, in the closing lines of "The Great Gatsby"

So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Wayne SF on January 11, 2006, 08:57:40 AM
Hey, how about a vote board like some of the other threads.  Pick a few of the choice quotes and have people vote !! For Example:  It could be like this.  Just like this...always.  Or If you can't fix....or Friend, this is a  bitch of an unsatisfactory situation!!...or... Whaddya waitin' for cowboy?  A Matin' call?...And of course the winner...Jack, I swear...
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: wjp58 on January 11, 2006, 01:38:05 PM
Story and movie: "I'd have 'em if you'd support 'em."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PetterG on January 11, 2006, 02:24:15 PM
'a pretended place where bluebirds sing and there's a whiskey spring'

Laureen says this when she talks to Ennis about BBM.

This in combination with the last scene - Ennis alone, waiting until one day be united...

 :'(  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Sarge on January 11, 2006, 03:32:23 PM
Quote
'a pretended place where bluebirds sing and there's a whiskey spring'

Laureen says this when she talks to Ennis about BBM.

This in combination with the last scene - Ennis alone, waiting until one day be united
...

 :'(  :'(  :'(
     "Oh the buzzin' of the bees in the cinnamon trees, the soda water fountain; where the whiskey springs and the bluebird sings in the Big Rock Candy Mountain"
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ottoblom on January 11, 2006, 04:29:03 PM
One of the boomerang lines in the film is Ennis looking up into the stars and saying he's thankful, Jack asking for what, and Ennis saying, "you didn't bring that harmonica.  I like the peace and quiet."  It's funny, and touching because we know what Ennis is really thankful for, but it's also kind of tragic because Ennis never really says it and Jack never really hears it . .
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mountain boy on January 11, 2006, 05:15:53 PM
Gun's goin off

 :P   :-*   :)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: otterlove on January 11, 2006, 05:34:42 PM
I love this forum, just going back over the film in my head, flipping through the story again. If I can't stand it, I've gotta fix it: think I might take in a matinee this afternoon...

Favorites? There are so many memorable lines from both the story and the film. Something about the way country folk talk breaks through the bullshit of city living. The way the characters speak, saying so much with so few words, evoked so well in Annie Proulx's edited-to-within-an-inch-of-its-life story, burns the few words they do utter into the memory. Much about the film is sparse in the same way. There is lushness and fullness, too, in the landscape, the immensity of mountain and sky, rushing water, the power of the two protagonists' love for one another, but so much of the dialogue is really about what is left unsaid. I think this tension is what makes the film so affecting. Ang Lee plays his audience like a goddamn violin! It makes me think of Don Miguel Ruiz's "The Four Agreements," the first of which is "Be impeccable with your word." Ms. Proulx is impeccable with hers in the story, and Ang Lee with his in the film, his "word" being the language of cinema. I can't remember where I read it, some interview, someone recounts how Ang Lee would do Tai Chi in the morning while on set. I love that.

Sorry about the rhapsodizing. This film has really made me think. I start writing and it just comes out helter skelter. Should probably post a formal review, but I've got to see it again!

And then there's the lines when characters just come out and say what they really think, which comes as a kind of relief, given all the secrecy and hand-wringing. Here's one from the story:

The room stank of semen and smoke and sweat and whiskey, of old carpet and sour hay, saddle leather, shit and cheap soap. Ennis lay spread-eagled, spent and wet, breathing deep, still half tumescent, Jack blowing forceful cigarette clouds like whale spouts, and Jack said, "Christ, it got a be all that time a yours ahorseback makes it so goddamn good..."

Decidedly understated in the film, in this story of sexual and emotional frustration, this might be the one moment of, to borrow a phrase from cigarette advertising, "Pure Satisfaction"

Call me a hedonist.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: otterlove on January 11, 2006, 06:00:02 PM
Tryin not to beat a dead horse to death, but here's a note on my signature:

I love this line of Ennis's for several reasons. The bisexual irony is killer. But more than that, as I think about it, it's also an instance of Ennis's generosity. Here it is in the context of the story:

Jack came lagging in late one afternoon, drank his two bottles of beer cooled in a wet sack on the shady side of the tent, ate two bowls of stew, four of Ennis's stone biscuits, a can of peaches, rolled a smoke, watched the sun drop.

"I'm commutin four hours a day," he said morosely. "Come in for breakfast, go back to the sheep, evenin get em bedded down, come in for supper, go back to the sheep, spend half the night jumpin up and checkin for coyotes. By rights I should be spendin the night here. Aguirre got no right a make me do this."

"You want a switch?" said Ennis. "I wouldn't mind herdin. I wouldn't mind sleepin out there."

This offer changes the conditions of their relationship and allows it to unfold in a new direction. It's one of the many examples of Ennis's generous and pragmatic nature, contrasted with Jack's self-seeking opportunism and idealism.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: shonuff07 on January 11, 2006, 07:04:56 PM

                                                          " It could be like this. Just like this , Always  . "

( didn't happen, so )

                          " Jack...( buttoning Jack's shirt up as if Jack was still in it, so lovingly....tears welling up....) , I swear.... "

( killer ).


4Sho
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: kumari on January 11, 2006, 07:33:44 PM
Gun's goin off

 :P   :-*   :)

Hee, hee.
This line is my guilty pleasure in the book, like a J.Lo song or funnel cake.
Not really that good for you, but dammit, it tastes good!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: kumari on January 11, 2006, 07:38:19 PM
Tryin not to beat a dead horse to death, but here's a note on my signature:

I love this line of Ennis's for several reasons. The bisexual irony is killer. But more than that, as I think about it, it's also an instance of Ennis's generosity. Here it is in the context of the story:

Jack came lagging in late one afternoon, drank his two bottles of beer cooled in a wet sack on the shady side of the tent, ate two bowls of stew, four of Ennis's stone biscuits, a can of peaches, rolled a smoke, watched the sun drop.

"I'm commutin four hours a day," he said morosely. "Come in for breakfast, go back to the sheep, evenin get em bedded down, come in for supper, go back to the sheep, spend half the night jumpin up and checkin for coyotes. By rights I should be spendin the night here. Aguirre got no right a make me do this."

"You want a switch?" said Ennis. "I wouldn't mind herdin. I wouldn't mind sleepin out there."

This offer changes the conditions of their relationship and allows it to unfold in a new direction. It's one of the many examples of Ennis's generous and pragmatic nature, contrasted with Jack's self-seeking opportunism and idealism.

yin-yang, black hat-white hat, loquacious-laconic: there are so many examples of how they complement each other, thanx for pointing out more.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: caristocrat on January 11, 2006, 07:56:26 PM
new to these forums, and sought it out because i am so haunted by this movie.

anyway - on topic re quote, ennis something along the lines of "it's because of you that i'm nothing, i'm nowhere".  jayzus keyrist, the pain and unbelievable anguish.  for me, this really brought home the true destruction that ennis felt.

many people have de-politicized this movie, but i think they're wrong and/or "incorrectly" motivated (i.e. this can't be a success if it's "only" a gay movie - it can be both).  the story works because it is a brilliant tale of forbidden love on a universal level, BUT it pounds it home because it strikes a contemporary socioliogical chord.  which is why the above quote is my favorite - it most vividly illustrates how homophobia destroys human lives on a profound and complete level.  it's so mind numbingly sad that it, well, numbs me.  AND it also applies to the women in the movie - they are devasted by the same forces.

whoah.  what a movie.  and i don't normally get like this!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Lance on January 11, 2006, 08:10:38 PM
while there are so many great quotes in the movie and the book, my current favourite is the one shown in my current signature. in response to Alma Junior's telling him he needs more furniture in his trailer, Ennis says:
''A man who's got nuthin don't need nuthin.''

not only is it true, it also shows that Ennis now lives outside the 'normal' expectations and demands of society, as do i.
before Jack died, Ennis tried to be normal. and because he did, he's now got nuthin.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: shonuff07 on January 11, 2006, 08:17:45 PM
                    Hey.....Haunted,
that's the word I've been toting around as the description for it........good movie....3/4th's thru the lines were cool & subtle....then the ending somehow brings all the previously uttered lines back to haunt you.
Like a Ton of Bricks ( I can't stop saying that either.......) all these lines are weightier once it's over.
                                                "  This one ain't got no reigns on it either "



Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: DeeGilles on January 11, 2006, 08:24:22 PM
Not exactly a quote, per se, but I love the way Jack and Ennis refer to each other as 'Friend'.  Really sounds like a term of endearment coming from their mouths. 

And also "this is a bitch of an unsatisfactory situation".  Cuz it is.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on January 11, 2006, 08:28:40 PM
Gun's goin off

 :P   :-*   :)

I love this one.

Wayne,
didn't you have this somewhere w/ something about 'pounding the ground' too?

I know it's not spoken, but I love Jake pounding the ground.  Very very good.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mountain boy on January 11, 2006, 08:35:15 PM
Gun's goin off

 :P   :-*   :)
I love this one.

Wayne,
didn't you have this somewhere w/ something about 'pounding the ground' too?

I know it's not spoken, but I love Jake pounding the ground.  Very very good.
The really great line about pounding was by our own dear Jack! I was ... tasting ... Ang's line about how vigorously Jake got into the scene, and Jack comes out with

- spit and slick you'd pound on the floor too.

 :P   :-[   :D  How does this man know me so well?!?!?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on January 11, 2006, 08:42:38 PM

The really great line about pounding was by our own dear Jack! I was ... tasting ... Ang's line about how vigorously Jake got into the scene, and Jack comes out with

- Slick and spit and you'd be pounding too.

 :P   :-[   :D  How does this man know me so well?!?!?

now we ALL know you that well.

surprisingly, that line works for me too. :P
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Ntkguy on January 11, 2006, 08:46:51 PM
"There were only the two of them on the mountain, flying in the euphoric,bitter air, looking down on the hawks back and the crawling lights of vehicles on the plain below,suspended above ordinary affairs and distant from tame ranch dogs barking in the dark hours".  KInd of makes me think of heaven, and the fact that that first summer Jack and Ennis spent together was probably the closest to heaven that either of them got to.  KInd of ironic though because in the next sentence Annie describes Joe Aguirre watching them with his binoculars hinting that societies disapproving eye doomed their love from the get go.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: caristocrat on January 11, 2006, 08:51:27 PM
it is heaven, and where they were was hell.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mountain boy on January 11, 2006, 08:52:47 PM
... Joe Aguirre watching them with his binoculars hinting that societies disapproving eye doomed their love from the get go.
(http://pics.livejournal.com/padpedpladuk/pic/0000r7zw)

(sorry for the re-post - these things are hard to make and you don't get many chances to use 'em!)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: andyincolorado on January 11, 2006, 08:55:07 PM
This description from the story, while not exactly a 'quote' is quite remarkable, describing one of Ennis and Jack's last meetings in May of 1983. As they both talked about their children, they moved closer to each other by the fire...
"Without getting up, Jack threw deadwood on the fire, the sparks flying up with their truths and lies, a few hot points of fire landing on their hands and faces, not for the first time, and they rolled down into the dirt. One thing never changed: the brilliant charge of their infrequent couplings was darkened by the sense of time flying, never enough time, never enough."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 11, 2006, 09:38:29 PM
This description from the story, while not exactly a 'quote' is quite remarkable, describing one of Ennis and Jack's last meetings in May of 1983. As they both talked about their children, they moved closer to each other by the fire...
"Without getting up, Jack threw deadwood on the fire, the sparks flying up with their truths and lies, a few hot points of fire landing on their hands and faces, not for the first time, and they rolled down into the dirt. One thing never changed: the brilliant charge of their infrequent couplings was darkened by the sense of time flying, never enough time, never enough."

DAMN that makes me want to get down and do it in the dirt, with grit and spit and stray hair and the carotid smell of that hollow in the neck, and hands flying and beard stubble scratching, teeth banging together drawing lip's blood, ripping at shirt snaps, snatching of belts clean out of the loops, and on and down, exploring and tasting and loving.......

scuse me, gotta go now.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mountain boy on January 11, 2006, 09:51:53 PM
All shoulda just stayed right here forever...

"Time to hit the hay, cowboy. I got a go. Come on, you're sleepin on your feet like a horse," and gave Jack a shake, a push, and went off in the darkness. Jack heard his spurs tremble as he mounted, the words "see you tomorrow," and the horse's shuddering snort, grind of hoof on stone.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on January 12, 2006, 06:22:25 AM
This description from the story, while not exactly a 'quote' is quite remarkable, describing one of Ennis and Jack's last meetings in May of 1983. As they both talked about their children, they moved closer to each other by the fire...
"Without getting up, Jack threw deadwood on the fire, the sparks flying up with their truths and lies, a few hot points of fire landing on their hands and faces, not for the first time, and they rolled down into the dirt. One thing never changed: the brilliant charge of their infrequent couplings was darkened by the sense of time flying, never enough time, never enough."

DAMN that makes me want to get down and do it in the dirt, with grit and spit and stray hair and the carotid smell of that hollow in the neck, and hands flying and beard stubble scratching, teeth banging together drawing lip's blood, ripping at shirt snaps, snatching of belts clean out of the loops, and on and down, exploring and tasting and loving.......

scuse me, gotta go now.


***tapes shut the care package of more batteries for Jack....***
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: marius on January 12, 2006, 07:44:04 AM
From the short story:
...and Ennis, not big on endearments, said what he said to his horses and daughters, little darlin.

The first time I read this line, my heart actually fluttered as if I was having my first kiss. Wow.

From the film:
This Kurt fella...Does he love you?

So sweet, so perfect. Ennis has learned something from his tremendous loss.

Went to see the movie twice. Thought I went insanely sad. Had to talk to people around me. So I sent out dozens of emails.
Still, the sadness of the story is burned down somewhere in my heart.
Decided to buy the book and read the story.
And when I read "...and Ennis, not big on endearments, said what he said to his horses and daughters, little darlin." it actually brought back a smile on my face. That "little darlin" is all it meant to be the most powerful statement of Ennice's love for Jack.
So thanks to bring this up.
As for the film itself, I loved Jack's mom for telling Ennice to come to see her/them(with Twist Sr.) I could have kissed this woman to save me from total breakdown after learning Jack's death.
Can anyone tell me when both in the film and the book, what Ennice meant when he said at the end "...Jack, I swear.." ?
That might give me a sense of release and closure
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mountain boy on January 12, 2006, 07:44:37 AM
This description from the story, while not exactly a 'quote' is quite remarkable, describing one of Ennis and Jack's last meetings in May of 1983. As they both talked about their children, they moved closer to each other by the fire...
"Without getting up, Jack threw deadwood on the fire, the sparks flying up with their truths and lies, a few hot points of fire landing on their hands and faces, not for the first time, and they rolled down into the dirt. One thing never changed: the brilliant charge of their infrequent couplings was darkened by the sense of time flying, never enough time, never enough."
DAMN that makes me want to get down and do it in the dirt, with grit and spit and stray hair and the carotid smell of that hollow in the neck, and hands flying and beard stubble scratching, teeth banging together drawing lip's blood, ripping at shirt snaps, snatching of belts clean out of the loops, and on and down, exploring and tasting and loving.......

scuse me, gotta go now.
Hohhhh yeah rollin with ya buddy!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: imennisshesjack on January 12, 2006, 07:48:01 AM
Jack in the motel:

"Swear to god I didn't know we was goin a get into this again--yeah, I did. Why I'm here. I fuckin knew it. Redlined all the way, couldn't get here fast enough."

stuart, you slut!!   ;)

Hey Jack, if Start's a slut, then I guess I am too.  ;)

I think "I wish I knew how to quit you" is pwoerful to me, but as someone else said, Ennis saying "Jack fuckin Twist!" with that big smile on his face just says it all.
Title: Short fuckin leash
Post by: mountain boy on January 12, 2006, 09:09:48 AM
Going by the book: Count the damn few times we been together in twenty years. Measure the fuckin short leash you keep me on, then ask me about Mexico and then tell me you'll kill me for needin it and not hardly never gettin it.

I think in the picture show he says "and then tell me you'll kill me for needin somethin I don't hardly never get," which is also touching.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rabbar on January 12, 2006, 03:19:53 PM
I like the two instances of foreplay right before the scene in the story that "andyincolorado" cites:

"Jack broke the seal on a bottle of whiskey, took a long, hot swallow, exhaled forcefully, said, "That's  one a the two things I need right now," capped and tossed it to Ennis."

"The horses nickered in the darkness beyond the fire's circle of light. Ennis put his arm around Jack, pulled him close, said he saw his girls about once a month, Alma Jr, a shy 17 year old with his beanpole length. Francine, a  little live wire. Jack slid his cold hand between Ennis's legs, said he was worried about the boy who was, no doubt about it, dyslexic....etc."

That Jack!...Sucha predator!!... ::)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: tarheel_david on January 12, 2006, 04:16:26 PM
Like everyone else, I have so many, but here's one from the story that makes me smile everytime:

"Three puppies belonging to one of the blue heelers went in a pack basket, the runt inside Jack's coat, for he loved a little dog."

I love the imagery of this as well as the insight it gives into the kind of person Jack is.

THDavid
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 12, 2006, 04:19:09 PM
I like the two instances of foreplay right before the scene in the story that "andyincolorado" cites:

"Jack broke the seal on a bottle of whiskey, took a long, hot swallow, exhaled forcefully, said, "That's  one a the two things I need right now," capped and tossed it to Ennis."

"The horses nickered in the darkness beyond the fire's circle of light. Ennis put his arm around Jack, pulled him close, said he saw his girls about once a month, Alma Jr, a shy 17 year old with his beanpole length. Francine, a  little live wire. Jack slid his cold hand between Ennis's legs, said he was worried about the boy who was, no doubt about it, dyslexic....etc."

That Jack!...Sucha predator!!... ::)

well THERE you are!  did you get lost or something.  we'd have waited for you, but as you can see...

welcome back,

jack
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Robert on January 12, 2006, 05:37:55 PM
I love dozens of passages from the story, and some of the ones listed on this thread made my eyes sting:  "...for he loved a little dog,"
for instance.  Yes, of course I had read the story many times, but that little passage just wrung my heart when brought up here.

For me, the most wrenching passage is this one (which is part of one paragraph, and all of another.  It's just after Jack's big speech
about all they'll ever have is Brokeback:

"Ennis stood as if heart-shot, face gray and deep-lined, grimacing, eyes screwed shut, fists clenched, legs caving, hit the ground
on his knees.

"Jesus," said Jack.  "Ennis?"  But before he was out of the truck, trying to guess if it was a heart attack or the overflow of an in-
cendiary rage, Ennis was back on his feet, and somehow, as a coathanger is straightened to open a locked car and then bent again
to its original shape, they torqued things almost to where they had been, for what they'd said was no news.  Nothing ended, nothing
begun, nothing resolved."

And that's what I love mostl--the comparison of their relationship to a coathanger straightened, then bent again to its origianl shape.
Yes, they managed to torque things back, almost, almost to Brokeback.  Just dynamite, I think.





Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rickpouch on January 12, 2006, 05:50:43 PM
"You Know, it could be like this.....just like this.always."
is one of my favorie lines.
And of course, "Jack. I swear.........

sigh
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rickpouch on January 12, 2006, 05:51:47 PM
"You Know, it could be like this.....just like this.always."
is one of my favorie lines.
And of course, "Jack. I swear.........

sigh
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: shonuff07 on January 12, 2006, 06:49:03 PM
"You Know, it could be like this.....just like this.always."
is one of my favorie lines.
And of course, "Jack. I swear.........

sigh

                                    Yea, both of those kill Rick, both of them........I think it may be because the statements are both so open and hopeful....& that's what we look for in relationships......Hope.

Shonuff
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ottoblom on January 12, 2006, 07:31:32 PM
I mean, how amazing is it that people are citing lines, whispers, looks, scenes--dozens of them from this movie--remembering them, treasuring them, getting choked up about them . . when you can barely recall one thing from most movies you see an hour after you see them?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 12, 2006, 07:40:03 PM
if you want me, just whistle.  you know how to whistle don't you steve.. you just put your lips together and blow..

it wasn't that long ago we remembered lines like that.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mountain boy on January 12, 2006, 09:42:35 PM
I mean, how amazing is it that people are citing lines, whispers, looks, scenes--dozens of them from this movie--remembering them, treasuring them, getting choked up about them . . when you can barely recall one thing from most movies you see an hour after you see them?
If it can't be said with a bbm aphorism, it probably doesn't really need to be said.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 12, 2006, 09:44:37 PM
I mean, how amazing is it that people are citing lines, whispers, looks, scenes--dozens of them from this movie--remembering them, treasuring them, getting choked up about them . . when you can barely recall one thing from most movies you see an hour after you see them?
If it can't be said with a bbm aphorism, it probably doesn't really need to be said.

now that's what i call a FAN!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mountain boy on January 12, 2006, 09:52:58 PM
I mean, how amazing is it that people are citing lines, whispers, looks, scenes--dozens of them from this movie--remembering them, treasuring them, getting choked up about them . . when you can barely recall one thing from most movies you see an hour after you see them?
If it can't be said with a bbm aphorism, it probably doesn't really need to be said.
now that's what i call a FAN!
Them boxes a soup are real hard to pack.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 12, 2006, 10:06:27 PM
I mean, how amazing is it that people are citing lines, whispers, looks, scenes--dozens of them from this movie--remembering them, treasuring them, getting choked up about them . . when you can barely recall one thing from most movies you see an hour after you see them?
If it can't be said with a bbm aphorism, it probably doesn't really need to be said.
now that's what i call a FAN!
Them boxes a soup are real hard to pack.
you know how to whistle, don't you wayne?  you just put your lips together and blow.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mountain boy on January 12, 2006, 10:11:11 PM
I mean, how amazing is it that people are citing lines, whispers, looks, scenes--dozens of them from this movie--remembering them, treasuring them, getting choked up about them . . when you can barely recall one thing from most movies you see an hour after you see them?
If it can't be said with a bbm aphorism, it probably doesn't really need to be said.
now that's what i call a FAN!
Them boxes a soup are real hard to pack.
you know how to whistle, don't you wayne?  you just put your lips together and blow.
Jack, I swear --
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 12, 2006, 10:32:47 PM
I mean, how amazing is it that people are citing lines, whispers, looks, scenes--dozens of them from this movie--remembering them, treasuring them, getting choked up about them . . when you can barely recall one thing from most movies you see an hour after you see them?
If it can't be said with a bbm aphorism, it probably doesn't really need to be said.
now that's what i call a FAN!
Them boxes a soup are real hard to pack.
you know how to whistle, don't you wayne?  you just put your lips together and blow.
Jack, I swear --

game set match
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mountain boy on January 12, 2006, 10:34:52 PM
I mean, how amazing is it that people are citing lines, whispers, looks, scenes--dozens of them from this movie--remembering them, treasuring them, getting choked up about them . . when you can barely recall one thing from most movies you see an hour after you see them?
If it can't be said with a bbm aphorism, it probably doesn't really need to be said.
now that's what i call a FAN!
Them boxes a soup are real hard to pack.
you know how to whistle, don't you wayne?  you just put your lips together and blow.
Jack, I swear --
game set match
Next round's on me Jack! This one I'm printing out for my wall.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Nado on January 12, 2006, 11:31:30 PM

When he utters that "whut" in the film and looks at Jack with that little smirk, I swear I totally fall in love with him.

Gee. And I really thought I'd be alone with my thinking that the "whut?" was my favorite line.
I, too, totally fall in love with him at this point. In fact, I think I melt.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: klsdad on January 13, 2006, 08:04:59 AM
   Knew I was going to have a hard time "holding back" the tears.  (I'm a 71 year-old male who has a male lover.)

   Was do'in fine... until Ennis received the first postcard from Jack.. and you see him write on a postcard he's sending back to Jack.....
                           
                         YOU BET!
       
               I lost it!! 

   (I realize it's might debatable that it's a quote.. but.. I could feel Ennis shouting it as he wrote!!)

   

             
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 13, 2006, 08:18:12 AM
   Knew I was going to have a hard time "holding back" the tears.  (I'm a 71 year-old male who has a male lover.)

   Was do'in fine... until Ennis received the first postcard from Jack.. and you see him write on a postcard he's sending back to Jack.....
                           
                         YOU BET!
       
               I lost it!! 

   (I realize it's might debatable that it's a quote.. but.. I could feel Ennis shouting it as he wrote!!)

             

hey there, old timer!  welcome from another one of the golden age set.  gee, if that got you the rest of the movie must have pulverized you.  how you doing and welcome to our tea party.  i am hoping to get a topic thread going for those of us who are more "seasoned" soon, so enjoy your way around the boards and keep your eyes peeled.  we look forward to your observations and comments.

jack 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aintnoreins on January 13, 2006, 02:58:01 PM
this one's been noted before, but it bears repeating...

"long as we can ride it.... ain't no reins on this one." what slays me here is the way ennis shakes his head and (if i recall) tightens his lips before that last bit slips out. he can't quite say it but he can't control it, either; it's stronger than anything on four legs he's ever encountered. and then of course, jack's gentle touch in response says more than any words could.

i also love how this line dovetails with the idea of ennis as the horse with a low startle point (also mentioned elsewhere - forgive me if i can't recall names, i just sat down and read half this forum in an afternoon, tissues at hand!). which makes jack's touch all the more important - he's soothing ennis there as much as anywhere, saying, in a sense, "i know there ain't, but i can ride it." (take or leave the double entendre there...  ;))

*sigh*
i think it was this line that cracked me the first time through, that made me realize how closely aligned this story is with a part of my own life... i know that feeling all too well.  :-X
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 13, 2006, 03:21:33 PM
this one's been noted before, but it bears repeating...

"long as we can ride it.... ain't no reins on this one." what slays me here is the way ennis shakes his head and (if i recall) tightens his lips before that last bit slips out. he can't quite say it but he can't control it, either; it's stronger than anything on four legs he's ever encountered. and then of course, jack's gentle touch in response says more than any words could.

i also love how this line dovetails with the idea of ennis as the horse with a low startle point (also mentioned elsewhere - forgive me if i can't recall names, i just sat down and read half this forum in an afternoon, tissues at hand!). which makes jack's touch all the more important - he's soothing ennis there as much as anywhere, saying, in a sense, "i know there ain't, but i can ride it." (take or leave the double entendre there...  ;))

*sigh*
i think it was this line that cracked me the first time through, that made me realize how closely aligned this story is with a part of my own life... i know that feeling all too well.  :-X
hey partner, welcome...

that's very nice writing for a first post.  there's a lot of people equally moved by this film in here, and furiously charting its public course as well, and more than a few who haven't quite gotten enough of jake and heath.  whatever your flavor, or tutti frutti you are welcome to join us.

jack
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Hutter on January 13, 2006, 04:07:50 PM
Ennis:   Is Alma here?

Monroe:  Yeah, she's in the condiments aisle.

Ennis:  The what?

Monroe:  Uh, ketchup.

Still cracks me up.  What a short exchange to drive home a point.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Hutter on January 13, 2006, 05:41:38 PM
Jack in the motel:

"Swear to god I didn't know we was goin a get into this again--yeah, I did. Why I'm here. I fuckin knew it. Redlined all the way, couldn't get here fast enough." 
 
 
Loved that one too, Stuartwm
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mary on January 13, 2006, 06:02:11 PM
Jack in the motel:

"Swear to god I didn't know we was goin a get into this again--yeah, I did. Why I'm here. I fuckin knew it. Redlined all the way, couldn't get here fast enough." 
 
Loved that one too, Stuartwm

I loved this in the story - liked it even more in the film because of the blissful smile on Jack's face.  I think I had seen someone else here characterize the smile as kind of evil - but I did not see that.  To me it was a smile that just makes me want to smile to, a smile of total joy as he holds the man he loves.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: clcny1 on January 13, 2006, 06:54:22 PM

When he utters that "whut" in the film and looks at Jack with that little smirk, I swear I totally fall in love with him.

Gee. And I really thought I'd be alone with my thinking that the "whut?" was my favorite line.
I, too, totally fall in love with him at this point. In fact, I think I melt.
Totally agreed, that "whut" disarms and charms at the same time, me, the audience,and of course, Jack.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: 909dot on January 13, 2006, 06:56:26 PM
this one's been noted before, but it bears repeating...

"long as we can ride it.... ain't no reins on this one." what slays me here is the way ennis shakes his head and (if i recall) tightens his lips before that last bit slips out. he can't quite say it but he can't control it, either; it's stronger than anything on four legs he's ever encountered. and then of course, jack's gentle touch in response says more than any words could.

i also love how this line dovetails with the idea of ennis as the horse with a low startle point (also mentioned elsewhere - forgive me if i can't recall names, i just sat down and read half this forum in an afternoon, tissues at hand!). which makes jack's touch all the more important - he's soothing ennis there as much as anywhere, saying, in a sense, "i know there ain't, but i can ride it." (take or leave the double entendre there...  ;))

*sigh*
i think it was this line that cracked me the first time through, that made me realize how closely aligned this story is with a part of my own life... i know that feeling all too well.  :-X

you read my mind...Ennis is so vulnerable at this point...(not since the second tent scene where he pulls Jack on top of him has he been so available) and the exhale of breath when Jack touches his face...almost like a horse sound...low startle point indeed...
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: kumari on January 13, 2006, 06:57:43 PM
Jack in the motel:

"Swear to god I didn't know we was goin a get into this again--yeah, I did. Why I'm here. I fuckin knew it. Redlined all the way, couldn't get here fast enough." 
 
Loved that one too, Stuartwm

I loved this in the story - liked it even more in the film because of the blissful smile on Jack's face.  I think I had seen someone else here characterize the smile as kind of evil - but I did not see that.  To me it was a smile that just makes me want to smile to, a smile of total joy as he holds the man he loves.

I adore the smile on Jack's face in this scene as he confesses. The smile comes from that tender place because Ennis can't even see his face, so the smile is 100% from the heart.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: 909dot on January 13, 2006, 06:59:25 PM
Lets also not forget...Ennis: "you may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity.."  wow...Ennis CAN flirt...

Todd
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Rebel on January 13, 2006, 07:09:44 PM
Lets also not forget...Ennis: "you may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity.."  wow...Ennis CAN flirt...

Todd

Yes, see my quote.  The way he looks at Jack when he says that.  Grrrrrrr....WOOF! 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aintnoreins on January 13, 2006, 10:19:45 PM
Lets also not forget...Ennis: "you may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity.."  wow...Ennis CAN flirt...

Todd

Yes, see my quote.  The way he looks at Jack when he says that.  Grrrrrrr....WOOF! 

haha! yeah, my mental response to that line was "oh, but you're about to, ennis dear..."  :D
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aintnoreins on January 13, 2006, 10:31:44 PM
this one's been noted before, but it bears repeating...

"long as we can ride it.... ain't no reins on this one." what slays me here is the way ennis shakes his head and (if i recall) tightens his lips before that last bit slips out. he can't quite say it but he can't control it, either; it's stronger than anything on four legs he's ever encountered. and then of course, jack's gentle touch in response says more than any words could.

i also love how this line dovetails with the idea of ennis as the horse with a low startle point (also mentioned elsewhere - forgive me if i can't recall names, i just sat down and read half this forum in an afternoon, tissues at hand!). which makes jack's touch all the more important - he's soothing ennis there as much as anywhere, saying, in a sense, "i know there ain't, but i can ride it." (take or leave the double entendre there...  ;))

*sigh*
i think it was this line that cracked me the first time through, that made me realize how closely aligned this story is with a part of my own life... i know that feeling all too well.  :-X
hey partner, welcome...

that's very nice writing for a first post.  there's a lot of people equally moved by this film in here, and furiously charting its public course as well, and more than a few who haven't quite gotten enough of jake and heath.  whatever your flavor, or tutti frutti you are welcome to join us.

jack

thanks so much for the kind welcome - i'm happy i found my way here. glad to know i'm not the only one hoping to make some sense of what's been swimming around my head about this film!

sarah

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mountain boy on January 13, 2006, 10:56:05 PM
Lets also not forget...Ennis: "you may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity.."  wow...Ennis CAN flirt...

Todd
Yes, see my quote.  The way he looks at Jack when he says that.  Grrrrrrr....WOOF! 
haha! yeah, my mental response to that line was "oh, but you're about to, ennis dear..."  :D
:D  :D  Your pitcher!!!  :D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/quietchylde/ennis27.jpg)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aintnoreins on January 14, 2006, 12:16:56 AM
Lets also not forget...Ennis: "you may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity.."  wow...Ennis CAN flirt...

Todd
Yes, see my quote.  The way he looks at Jack when he says that.  Grrrrrrr....WOOF! 
haha! yeah, my mental response to that line was "oh, but you're about to, ennis dear..."  :D
:D  :D  Your pitcher!!!  :D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/quietchylde/ennis27.jpg)

preeecisely  ;D
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: MellorSJ on January 14, 2006, 12:52:37 AM
Lets also not forget...Ennis: "you may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity.."  wow...Ennis CAN flirt...

Todd
Yes, see my quote.  The way he looks at Jack when he says that.  Grrrrrrr....WOOF! 
haha! yeah, my mental response to that line was "oh, but you're about to, ennis dear..."  :D
:D  :D  Your pitcher!!!  :D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v307/quietchylde/ennis27.jpg)

preeecisely  ;D

Didn't you mean "Whut?"
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aintnoreins on January 14, 2006, 01:11:45 AM

Didn't you mean "Whut?"

ha, fair enough!  ;)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Mr. Wrong on January 14, 2006, 08:26:12 AM
 My favorite line from the story is when they are fighting about getting together in August or November Ennis says "Try if I can get Don Wroe's cabin again. We had a good time that year" I find myself wondering why that year would have been so special. What happened? Maybe it was as close as they came to sharing a ranch. Or maybe something was said or done to bring them even closer together. I wish they would have fleshed that line out in the movie.
Title: Re: Four words from the story
Post by: patroclus on January 14, 2006, 10:08:05 AM
Which speak to me of Jack's inate goodness and never-ending hope, in his bittersweet remembrance of their one moment of unalloyed happiness, standing in Ennis' arms by the fire: "Let be. Let be." Jack never gives up on his dreams, and that's why I love him.

Or as another dreamer once wrote about still another, in the closing lines of "The Great Gatsby"

So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly into the past.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ottoblom on January 14, 2006, 02:00:05 PM
I like Jack's lament in the story, "But fuck-all has come to my hand the way I wanted."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rabbar on January 14, 2006, 03:36:24 PM
At the beginning of the short story, AnnieP writes:

"(Ennis) gets up , scratching the grey wedge of belly and pubic hair, shuffles to the gas burner, pours leftover coffee in a chipped enamel pan: the flame swathes it in blue. He turns on the tap and urinates in the sink, pulls on his shirt and jeans, his worn boots, stamping the heels against the floor to get them full on."

Now obviously when they are on a "fishing" trip, the great outdoors is one big latrine, cause we all know about those bears that defile the woods.  I'm picturing Jack and Ennis finally working things out and they get a place together and on the first morning of their new found bliss, Jack wakes up and sees Ennis making in the kitchen sink:

(Jack)  "Whoa, friend..what the hell are you a doin' there?"
(Ennis) "Whut, lil darlin'?...Din't you say?...."
(Jack)  "No no, you sumbitch...I'll tell you whut, I din't say : YOU could PEE like this, just like this...always!!"

A punchline for us older people:
"Thank goodness Hop Sing was!!!!..."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: shonuff07 on January 14, 2006, 03:55:17 PM
(Jack)  "No no, you sumbitch...I'll tell you whut, I din't say : YOU could PEE like this, just like this...always!!"

A punchline for us older people:
"Thank goodness Hop Sing was!!!!..."

       

                                   Uh, Thanx for that..............I really needed the laugh man. ;)
4Sho.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: shonuff07 on January 14, 2006, 04:06:57 PM
this one's been noted before, but it bears repeating...

"long as we can ride it.... ain't no reins on this one." what slays me here is the way ennis shakes his head and (if i recall) tightens his lips before that last bit slips out. he can't quite say it but he can't control it, either; it's stronger than anything on four legs he's ever encountered. and then of course, jack's gentle touch in response says more than any words could.

i also love how this line dovetails with the idea of ennis as the horse with a low startle point (also mentioned elsewhere - forgive me if i can't recall names, i just sat down and read half this forum in an afternoon, tissues at hand!). which makes jack's touch all the more important - he's soothing ennis there as much as anywhere, saying, in a sense, "i know there ain't, but i can ride it." (take or leave the double entendre there...  ;))

*sigh*
i think it was this line that cracked me the first time through, that made me realize how closely aligned this story is with a part of my own life... i know that feeling all too well.  :-X
hey partner, welcome...

that's very nice writing for a first post.  there's a lot of people equally moved by this film in here, and furiously charting its public course as well, and more than a few who haven't quite gotten enough of jake and heath.  whatever your flavor, or tutti frutti you are welcome to join us.

jack

thanks so much for the kind welcome - i'm happy i found my way here. glad to know i'm not the only one hoping to make some sense of what's been swimming around my head about this film!

sarah



                                                 Hey, those lines were so very well delivered. It desreves the conversation you seek....please feel free to chat me up if you like....bout to post my new favorite lines...
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Mr. Wrong on January 14, 2006, 04:19:03 PM
  " I like Jack's lament in the story, "But fuck-all has come to my hand the way I wanted."


Yeah, and as he is saying that he is slipping his hand between Ennis's legs. Interesting.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: shonuff07 on January 14, 2006, 04:43:08 PM
From the short story:
                                         
                                   The shirt seemed heavy until he saw that there was another shirt inside it, the sleeve's carefully worked down inside Jack's sleeves, It was his ( Ennis' ) own plaid shirt.......................his dirty shirt, the pocket ripped, button's misssing, stolen by Jack ( 20 years ago on the mountain ) and hidden here inside Jack's own shirt, the pair like two skins, one inside the other, two in one.

           That is so beautiful to me...........It hurts so good to type it.


4Sho
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TJ on January 14, 2006, 07:21:33 PM
I like Jack's lament in the story, "But fuck-all has come to my hand the way I wanted."

You have to have the whole quote here for it to make sense.

Quote
"I didn't want none a either kind," said Jack. "But fuck-all has worked the way I wanted. Nothin never come to my hand the right way."

"Nothin" is what he meant by "fuck-all."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 15, 2006, 02:11:41 AM
From the short story:
                                         
                                   The shirt seemed heavy until he saw that there was another shirt inside it, the sleeve's carefully worked down inside Jack's sleeves, It was his ( Ennis' ) own plaid shirt.......................his dirty shirt, the pocket ripped, button's misssing, stolen by Jack ( 20 years ago on the mountain ) and hidden here inside Jack's own shirt, the pair like two skins, one inside the other, two in one.

           That is so beautiful to me...........It hurts so good to type it.


4Sho

and who said words aren't as powerful as images. 

                     the pair like two skins, one inside the other, two in one
*sigh*
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on January 15, 2006, 06:43:02 AM
Ennis: "you may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity.."  wow...Ennis CAN flirt...

(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d95/leppard_mom/sinners.gif)

LOVESIT!!!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Mr. Wrong on January 15, 2006, 07:10:26 AM
Another favorite quote from the story comes afte the reunion scence----"and within twenty minutes they were in the Motel Siesta JOUNCING a bed."


JOUNCING? Yeah baby! that's what I'm talking about! sweet!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Wayne SF on January 15, 2006, 08:11:54 AM
Movie  Whadyawaitinfur Cowboy?  Matin caw?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: shonuff07 on January 15, 2006, 09:02:58 AM
" &  Plenty of kidz for the girls to play with...........not so lonely like you were raised.....................
You don't want it to be so lonely do ya ( Ennis ) ? "


                  You can tell,   in his body language,  that the massage  Alma was giving Ennis was no longer comforting to him.......he stopped swaying to her movements, and with a few reflective blinks of his eyes he was reliving the childhood loneliness that he had not quite ( not even now ) escaped.
             
                 Helps us to understand why Jacks company was so precious to him......
Jack was ( among other thingz ) his escape from loneliness.

4Sho
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Dru on January 15, 2006, 11:31:51 AM
I have to agree with the poster who wrote about "Ain't no reins on this one."

I also definitely love the line from the story from their summer up on Brokeback, when Jack sees Ennis as night fire.  I don't have the stroy in front of me, but I'm sure you know the line.  Maybe someone with the story accessible could post it.

And, by the way, this BBM Fever has yet to break!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Lance on January 15, 2006, 11:44:59 AM
''During the day Ennis looked across a great gulf and sometimes saw Jack, a small dot moving across a high meadow as an insect moves across a tablecloth; Jack, in his dark camp, saw Ennis as night fire, a red spark on the huge black mass of mountain.''
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PetterG on January 15, 2006, 12:59:24 PM
It was a standard transmission (stick shift) and he'd have driven with the tach(ometer) in the red zone - pushing the truck and its engine to their limits
This is copied from an earlier post.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cyoung on January 15, 2006, 02:23:15 PM
  " I like Jack's lament in the story, "But fuck-all has come to my hand the way I wanted."


Yeah, and as he is saying that he is slipping his hand between Ennis's legs. Interesting.

What scene was this? I recall the line but not Jack slipping his hand between Ennis's legs. Gosh, guess this means I'll have to go see it again, a 3rd time....  ;)

Cara
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mary on January 15, 2006, 02:26:49 PM

What scene was this? I recall the line but not Jack slipping his hand between Ennis's legs. Gosh, guess this means I'll have to go see it again, a 3rd time....  ;)

Cara

Sorry Cara - it's only in the book:

The horses nickered in the darkness beyond the fire's circle of light. Ennis put his arm around Jack, pulled him close, said he saw his girls about once a month, Alma Jr. a shy seventeen-year-old with his beanpole length, Francine a little live wire. Jack slid his cold hand between Ennis's legs, said he was worried about his boy .......
"I used a want a boy for a kid," said Ennis, undoing buttons, "but just got little girls."

"I didn't want none a either kind," said Jack. "But fuck-all has worked the way I wanted. Nothin never come to my hand the right way." Without getting up he threw deadwood on the fire, the sparks flying up with their truths and lies, a few hot points of fire landing on their hands and faces, not for the first time, and they rolled down into the dirt. One thing never changed: the brilliant charge of their infrequent couplings was darkened by the sense of time flying, never enough time, never enough.


Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TJ on January 15, 2006, 02:29:09 PM
  " I like Jack's lament in the story, "But fuck-all has come to my hand the way I wanted."


Yeah, and as he is saying that he is slipping his hand between Ennis's legs. Interesting.

What scene was this? I recall the line but not Jack slipping his hand between Ennis's legs. Gosh, guess this means I'll have to go see it again, a 3rd time....  ;)

Cara

Read the Book instead. See below.

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Jack slid his cold hand between Ennis's legs, said he was worried about his boy who was, no doubt about it, dyslexic or something, couldn't get anything right, fifteen years old and couldn't hardly read, he could see it though goddamn Lureen wouldn't admit to it and pretended the kid was o.k., refused to get any bitchin kind a help about it.

He didn't know what the fuck the answer was. Lureen had the money and called the shots.

"I used a want a boy for a kid," said Ennis, undoing buttons, "but just got little girls."

"I didn't want none a either kind," said Jack. "But fuck-all has worked the way I wanted. Nothin never come to my hand the right way."

Without getting up he threw deadwood on the fire, the sparks flying up with their truths and lies, a few hot points of fire landing on their hands and faces, not for the first time, and they rolled down into the dirt. One thing never changed: the brilliant charge of their infrequent couplings was darkened by the sense of time flying, never enough time, never enough.

Jack was saying that NOTHING ever worked out the way he wanted it.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cyoung on January 15, 2006, 02:45:19 PM
Lets also not forget...Ennis: "you may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity.."  wow...Ennis CAN flirt...

Todd

Yes, see my quote.  The way he looks at Jack when he says that.  Grrrrrrr....WOOF! 

I like Jack's response, too -- it's kind of like an "Oh," with his voice rising, like he's caught the ball and is throwing it right back. Perfect.

Cara
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aceygirl on January 15, 2006, 02:51:47 PM


The horses nickered in the darkness beyond the fire's circle of light. Ennis put his arm around Jack, pulled him close, said he saw his girls about once a month, Alma Jr. a shy seventeen-year-old with his beanpole length, Francine a little live wire. Jack slid his cold hand between Ennis's legs, said he was worried about his boy .......
"I used a want a boy for a kid," said Ennis, undoing buttons, "but just got little girls."

"I didn't want none a either kind," said Jack. "But fuck-all has worked the way I wanted. Nothin never come to my hand the right way." Without getting up he threw deadwood on the fire, the sparks flying up with their truths and lies, a few hot points of fire landing on their hands and faces, not for the first time, and they rolled down into the dirt. One thing never changed: the brilliant charge of their infrequent couplings was darkened by the sense of time flying, never enough time, never enough.




I LOVE that in the movie, Jack actually says "Never enough time, never enough."

This is only in the book, but yet another favorite is a passage where Jack describes the sky as being so blue you could drown in it. To me that is a hint of Jack's expressive, sensitive nature. I also love the simple sentence about how Ennis wore his best shirt while waiting for Jack to arrive after four years. Isn't that just what anyone would do when awaiting the arrival of their lover--dress to impress? :D
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TJ on January 15, 2006, 02:52:35 PM
Lets also not forget...Ennis: "you may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity.."  wow...Ennis CAN flirt...

Todd

Where would that quote be in the book if Annie Proulx had written it?

I forgot which scene that was in the movie. I won't be able to see the movie again for at least 7 weeks the way my poverty budget is going.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on January 15, 2006, 03:21:55 PM
TJ, I LOVE your sig line.

:)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TJ on January 15, 2006, 04:37:46 PM
TJ, I LOVE your sig line.

:)

Thanx. I do use my first and middle names as a "Bubba" type name. I was supposed to have "Joe Allen" in the 1st name blank on the Birth Certificate with nothing as a middle name. Two of my great-nephews have "Allen" as their middle name. One of them has "Cecil Ray" as his first name.

I went to high school with a Jim Bob and his brother was a Billy Joe.

I had some gay friends who teasingly called me "Billy Joe Doty." That's because of a preacher in Tulsa whose name is "Billy Joe Daugherty" is the pastor of a large Pentecostal/Charismatic/Word of Faith church.

Oh, double negatives like "not no" originally did not make a positive.

Oh, when I was growing up, my older sister, Edna, used to sing a song, in Pentecostal churches, which began with the words, "I remember when some queer folks came to town; my preacher said, 'to that church don' go down."

The "queer folks" were Pentecostals and the name of the song as "I Prayed Through."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Wilson on January 16, 2006, 05:21:55 PM
This is unquestionably my favorite quote:

JACK
(looks at Ennis)
"Tell you what...truth is, sometimes I miss you so bad I can hardly stand it..."

How often I've had this same line as a thought in my head and was unable to speak out to someone I really cared for.
I envied Jack's ability to express himself when he really had to.

My favourite too I think.  And much better than in the book where he says something like "I miss you so bad I could whip babies" - which just made me snigger.  Is this some kind of texan phrase?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: NYC-lovesbbm on January 16, 2006, 05:24:09 PM
This is unquestionably my favorite quote:

JACK
(looks at Ennis)
"Tell you what...truth is, sometimes I miss you so bad I can hardly stand it..."

How often I've had this same line as a thought in my head and was unable to speak out to someone I really cared for.
I envied Jack's ability to express himself when he really had to.

I love this also - I felt so sad for the Jack that Ennis doesn't say anything back, like "i know how you feel" it would unlike Ennis off course but nice to hear

My favourite too I think.  And much better than in the book where he says something like "I miss you so bad I could whip babies" - which just made me snigger.  Is this some kind of texan phrase?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: NYC-lovesbbm on January 16, 2006, 05:25:30 PM
This is unquestionably my favorite quote:

JACK
(looks at Ennis)
"Tell you what...truth is, sometimes I miss you so bad I can hardly stand it..."

How often I've had this same line as a thought in my head and was unable to speak out to someone I really cared for.
I envied Jack's ability to express himself when he really had to.

I love this also - I felt so sad for the Jack that Ennis doesn't say anything back, like "i know how you feel" it would unlike Ennis off course but nice to hear

My favourite too I think.  And much better than in the book where he says something like "I miss you so bad I could whip babies" - which just made me snigger.  Is this some kind of texan phrase?

I love this also - I felt so sad for the Jack that Ennis doesn't say anything back, like "i know how you feel" it would unlike Ennis off course but nice to hear
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Rebel on January 16, 2006, 05:30:34 PM
At the beginning of the short story, AnnieP writes:

"(Ennis) gets up , scratching the grey wedge of belly and pubic hair, shuffles to the gas burner, pours leftover coffee in a chipped enamel pan: the flame swathes it in blue. He turns on the tap and urinates in the sink, pulls on his shirt and jeans, his worn boots, stamping the heels against the floor to get them full on."

Now obviously when they are on a "fishing" trip, the great outdoors is one big latrine, cause we all know about those bears that defile the woods.  I'm picturing Jack and Ennis finally working things out and they get a place together and on the first morning of their new found bliss, Jack wakes up and sees Ennis making in the kitchen sink:

(Jack)  "Whoa, friend..what the hell are you a doin' there?"
(Ennis) "Whut, lil darlin'?...Din't you say?...."
(Jack)  "No no, you sumbitch...I'll tell you whut, I din't say : YOU could PEE like this, just like this...always!!"

A punchline for us older people:
"Thank goodness Hop Sing was!!!!..."

ROTFL - I missed this on Saturday.  Actually I'd prefer he walloped Ennis like he did when he was holding his other rifle, and yelled, YEAH!  Now he's peeing on himself, I wonder what kinda reaction that would have gotten.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: happycamper on January 19, 2006, 03:40:05 AM
I really love the way Jack/Jake says "C'mere" (come here) both in the last day on the mountain fight scene and in the all we have is Brokeback Mountain scene after Ennis breaks down. It is so tender and nurturing the way he says it. I almost thought I heard him say it in the second night tent scene as well. "C'mere, it's all right, it's all right..."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Lance on January 19, 2006, 11:07:27 AM
^A punchline for us older people:"Thank goodness Hop Sing was!!!!..."^

i'm an 'older people' [  ;D ], but i don't know who Hop Sing was. could someone enllighten me, please?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 19, 2006, 11:43:43 AM
what's your definition of older? 

hop sing was the cook on that womanless cartwright ranch...

dump diddy dump BONAAANZA !

on a talk show michael  landon was humorously asked if the boys were, umm you know, to which he replied.. NO but, thank god hop sing was.

JACK
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rabbar on January 19, 2006, 01:32:36 PM
Sorry jack, I meant "more mature"... ;)

Why did I know that you would know that answer?... ;D
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: zzzbuddy on January 19, 2006, 04:56:06 PM
I've enjoyed reading the lines from the film that folks remember...
and i don't mean to be a "smarty" here...
but Brokeback Mountain impressed me so much because of what was Not said.

There was a whole lifetime of communication between Ennis and Jack's mother....all done with looks and  silences
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 19, 2006, 04:58:56 PM
I've enjoyed reading the lines from the film that folks remember...
and i don't mean to be a "smarty" here...
but Brokeback Mountain impressed me so much because of what was Not said.

There was a whole lifetime of communication between Ennis and Jack's mother....all done with looks and  silences

okay gang, can i have a rousing mass AMEN.  you'll find no argument on that statement zzz.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Ntkguy on January 19, 2006, 06:49:20 PM
Not exactly a favorite quote, but would be interested in hearing other peoples take on the last line of the story-"There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you cant fix ityou've got to stand it". Its been bugging the hell out of me since I reread the story last week.  My take is "what he knew" was that he finally realized how much he really loved Jack, and "what he tried to believe" was that if he had to do it over again he would have done things differently.  The "if you cant fix it you've got to stand it" as the final line of the story tells me how little Ennis has really changed after 20 years with Jack.  Awful bleak, and sad beyond words to me.  I thought the movie was a little more uplifting with the final interaction between Ennis and his daughter - gives us a little hope that at least he's got his daughters love to help him get through the rest of his life.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aintnoreins on January 19, 2006, 08:16:21 PM
I've enjoyed reading the lines from the film that folks remember...
and i don't mean to be a "smarty" here...
but Brokeback Mountain impressed me so much because of what was Not said.

There was a whole lifetime of communication between Ennis and Jack's mother....all done with looks and  silences

okay gang, can i have a rousing mass AMEN.  you'll find no argument on that statement zzz.

ain't no words for this one...


(okay, i couldn't resist, i had to get that one out of my system  :P)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on January 19, 2006, 09:50:02 PM
Sorry jack, I meant "more mature"... ;)

now on the Jake's Eyelash thread, this would be extremely accurate.  I thought over here, Jack *was* the more mature and exemplary leader he's supposed to be.....

Have i been disillusioned all this time?
 :o
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: MellorSJ on January 19, 2006, 10:21:04 PM
"Whut?"

Plus that little smile and the next sentence, doubling his verbal output for the year.

What is it with these people "out there" (i.e. not here!) that say there's no chemistry between these two?  Or "nothing happens"?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Lance on January 20, 2006, 09:56:10 AM
what's your definition of older? 

hop sing was the cook on that womanless cartwright ranch...

dump diddy dump BONAAANZA !

on a talk show michael  landon was humorously asked if the boys were, umm you know, to which he replied.. NO but, thank god hop sing was.

JACK

i could have sworn i posted a thank you yesterday. anyway, thanks for the answer. i never watched the show; maybe i was away at school. i don't remember what years Bonanza was on; all i remember is the opening music.
i define older as the same age as you are which happens to be the same age i am. we're both 'older'. now if only i were wiser, or had been wiser when i was younger, i might have something.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Uclapeterg on January 20, 2006, 10:26:39 AM
I've been lurking for awhile and decided to do my first post. 

Sorry if this has been said before.

My favorite exchange is a bit one, but I think explains so much (please excuse my memory).

From the film:

JACK: We're all sinners.

ENNIS: I haven't yet had the opportunity.

This is course is during the "flirting" stage. BTW, anyone is really surprised that all the foreplay/flirting led to sex don't understand interaction among men.  It usually is a lot more subtle because it has to be, but I digress....

I think you learn two points from this exchange.

(1) Ennis is letting Jack know he's interested in a very subtle way.

and

(2) Ennis equates homosexuality with sin. This point is really driven home when Ennis talks about seeing the dead body a little bit later on in the film.

I would also link this quote when Ennis is home later with Alma who asks him to go to church and he doesn't want to because of the "fire and brimstone" talk. (sin = hell)
Title: Favorite Quote From Story? -some subtle (& not so) quotes from story pt 1
Post by: sandyday on January 20, 2006, 10:37:11 AM
'K folks: here goes; i'm still a newbie; but as a poet & writer, I've got some favorites--*all from the story* that are really under the radar and subtle, if you don't mind me sharing them:  though I'm also a sucker for the big popular quotes that have profoundly affected everyone; yet there's some quotes I haven't totally figured out...after so many readings. annie's a genius. k' in order of appearance in the story:

-----

"...both high school dropout country boys with no prospects, brought up to hard work and privation, both rough-mannered, rough-spoken, inured to the stoic life." (story only)

this speaks volumes about their class, which i think has not been discussed a lot, especially by big city urban critics (and i say this from nyc where i've only lived a few years and i grew up in a small texas town working class); i knew folks like this from my hometown and it is so true. i just sag (a word used in the screenplay alot) when i read it.

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"...applied at age 14 (ennis) for a hardship license that let him make the hour long trip from the ranch to the school..." (story only)

i just sag reading this line; just imagining this makes me have a lump in my throat as i knew folks like this when i grew up in a small town; would have been neat to see if Ang had decided to show this in the film; really gives me a feeling of how destitute those two were; they were from same class; jack got richer, but always came from same class, see the later quote about the only road from his bedroom home window...

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"He (Ennis) had wanted to be a sophomore, felt the word carried of kind of distinction, but the truck broke down short of it, pitching him directly into ranch work." (story only)

just really gives you a sense of Ennis trying to get up out of his situation

--

"The venetian blinds hung askew and admitted a triangle of white light, the showdow of the foreman's hand moving into it." (story only tho you see it in the movie)

this image just haunts me: my dad works in a freight co. just like that trailer, i've been there, and you can easily miss this light, but i looked for it in my 2nd viewing; so authentic like Annie says in her essay in the story to screenplay book.."if the coffeepot is real..." and it's the authenticity that gets this film so good

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"Aguirre...gave them his point of view." (story/screenplay...)

love how annie phrased this---to use the phrase POV instead of Aguirre 'said' ; so telling about Aguirre

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"(jack) was crazy to be somewhere, anywhere else than Lightning Flat." (story only)

so telling about Jack; wonder what it woulda been like if he actually said that line in the bar before they head out to the sheep for first time; what would have ennis said/thought?
--

"...Ennis looked across a great gulf and sometimes saw Jack, a small dot moving across a high meadow as an insect moves across a tablecloth; Jack in his dark camp, saw Ennis as night fire, a red spark on the huge black mass of mountain." (story only)

notice the red and spark themes in these quotes & throughout story? maybe i should put this on themes board; i love these quotes; also what does this say about their places in society/relationship? Jack, a small dot *across a great gulf* & Ennis is fire1! wow. this is so early the story; of course you can read the attraction and upcoming flirting, duh!

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"Ennis, riding against the wind back to the sheep in the treacherous drunken light, thought he'd never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon." (story only)

this is still pretty early in story; this happens a little differently in timing than with the movie, he's riding back pretty drunk; it would seem they had the first sex scene after this....amazing how much foreshadowing there is for folks who think there's *nothing* happening; c'mon!

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And what kind of genius is Annie to write something like this, below, right before the first sex scene, right after Ennis says "too late to go out to them damn sheep" (ennis says this in the story; jack says it in the movie):

"The meadow  stones glowed white-green and a flinty wind worked over the meadow, scraped the fire low, then ruffled it into yellow silk sashes." 

yellow silk sashes?! genius. perfect right before that scene! OMG.

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ok, so maybe i'm reading *too* much into this, but check this out, though sort of out of context; ennis says this in the story:

"Ennis said the kind of riding that interested him lasted longer than eight seconds and had some point to it."

*ahem*. ok. now I know they are talking about rodeo, and next, Jack says money's a good point, but *still*; this is so foreshadowing to when Ennis says there's "no reins on this one" and that he continues w/ Jack all his life.....

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I think this is one of the only direct lines that you can maybe translate into what Annie has said, that this is a story dealing with rurual homophobia, as she said in one of her interviews. but she never used words like that or anything or longwinded explanations. instead we get this subtle line, and you know it's about societal norms....so telling, yet so subtle:

"There were only the two of them on the mountain flying in the euphoric bitter ari looking down on the hawk's back and the craling lights of vehicles on the plain below, suspended above ordinary affairs and distance from tame ranch dogs barking in the dark hours."

notice it says "*distant* from the *tame* (!) ranch dogs....." Aha!

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**this is my second favorite line in whole story/movie. my first favorite is the last line..the "open space line" but hadn't seen anyone post this line. this is after the sheep are mixed, right before Aguirre tells 'em to come down:

"....Ennis knew the sheep were mixed. In a disquieting way, everything seem mixed."

wow. that line, amazing. i know what it means, but i wonder what Ennis was really thinking inside. amazing how annie writes that and you know what Ennis is thinking but not exactly. wow.

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and then this line kills me, after Aguirre gives word to come down. given that Ennis doesn't show much emotion, this is an amazing line:

"As they descended the slope Ennis felt he was in a slow-motion, but headlong, irreversible fall."

this is the last major "feeling" line of Ennis, before he chokes up in the alley after he & jack leave after that first summer. again, annie has told us how ennis is feeling, but we dont' know exactly what his precise thoughts are; we are left to interpret it. this line to me sets up the whole story... he knew right then how much jack meant to him. if society was more accepting, he could have been feeling a rocky mountain high, but instead, everything came down after that.......

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love this line, right after he gets the postcard:

"Ennis had a general delivery letter from Jack Twist, the first sign of life in all that time." (story only)

amazing how Diane & Larry & Ang had this one line to go on, and how they interpreted it, in Ennis' waiting for Jack; we can *see* that indeed Jack is the first sign of life in Riverton all that time, not Alma, sadly....

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more red phrases... "redlined..."  (jack's driving) "red wreaths of light" (in the motel); this is like the red spark quotes in their first time together at brokeback... remember heath is red fire....

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part two follows
Title: Favorite Quote From Story (subtle quotes) pt 2
Post by: sandyday on January 20, 2006, 10:38:26 AM
ok, here's part two of my post. sorry to overwhelm. didn't mean to.

"Took me a about a year to figure out it was that I shouldn't a let you out a my sights. Too late by then by a long, long while." (in story only, in motel scene)

this is interesting, because we have foreshadowing from the above quotes... everything mixed, the freefall quote, before they left brokeback that ennis was beginning to feel serious feelings but it still took a year to be really clear to him. amazing.

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i find this following quote really interesting--it dovetails w/ the famous quote, "if you can't fix it you got a stand it."
early on, in the motel scene, in the story, there is a story that Ennis tells of his brother that is not in the movie. and actually bits of this are shifted to the first reunion scene around the fire with more of the famous quotes/scenes now (eg, what if we had a cow/calf operation.... we'll be dead...etc.)

so, ennis actually used that 'cant fix it phrase back in a story he told about his brother. his dad was tired of ennis crying from his brother beating him up. so this is what was said..and it relates to the later "can't fix it" line we all know...

ennis' dad, as ennis tells story: "...when I was six, he (ennis' dad) set me down and says, Ennis, you got a problem and you got a fix it or it's gonna be with you until your 90 and KE's (ennis' brother) 93.....Dad says, you take him unawares, don't say nothing to him, make him feel some pain, get out fast and keep doin it until he takes the message"

this is heartbreaking. this is what ennis does to jack -- the very last punch--with the blood on the famous shirts... what's sad now is that by the end of the story, "if you can't fix it you got a stand it" means something so different... it means love, it means that -- and with the way the line is in the story--ennis can't "fix" his love for jack... it will stay w/ him forever.... oh, there's just too many layers to this, too simplistic here....

this is in the story only, their last trip; if you read this section closely there is a lot of symbolism of the end:
"Ennis, weather-eyed, looked west for the heated cumulus that might come up on such a day, but the boneless blue was so dep, said Jack, that he might drown from looking up."

I'm still figuring this line out. Jack drowning from looking up to the reality of the situation? the scene ends with them "torquing" things back to where they started....

and the bear appears in this scene, "with a lumpish gait that made it seem like it was falling apart." --amazing quote given the context/timing

and "twisting the dial of the transitor radio until the batteries died."   sniff.

--

towards the end:

"Without getting up (Jack) threw deadwood on the fire, the sparks flying up with their truths and lies, a few hot points of fire landing on their hands and faces, not for the first time, and they rolled down into the dirt."

annie says so much, with so little here. other writers would use pages and pages of worthless words. amazing.

--

and another like the above line, so brief, so telling, so full of detail in just one sentence; right after jack's speech:

"Like vast clouds of steam from thermal springs in winter the years of things unsaid and now unsayable--admissions, declarations, shames, guilts, fears--rose around them."

I find it interesting that still, after years of things unsaid, things are *still* unsayable. When I read the story for the first time, I thought it was going to say "now sayable" -- but -- this kills me--it's *still* not to be; so tragic; slays me

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and this is so telling; on a fifth reading i finally got it that ennis was like a locked car. before that i just thought of the shape of ennis moving; which i didn't totally get on the first read...

"...Ennis was back on his feet and somehow as a coat hanger is straightened to open a locked car and then bent again to its original shape, they torqued things almost to where they had been, for what they'd said was no news."

and i find it interesting, the word *straight* is in there. and then bent. like bent (queer) or straight. torqued.

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"the vibrations of humming like faint electricity..."  awesome. when jack is having that love flashback. sigh.

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"The huge sadness of the norther plains rolled down on him."

-- in the phone call with Lureen. this line shows how much the landscape means to him---in context to jack. i think of this line everytime people say, will why don't they just move to NYC? but what if gay people like that landscape, that it's theirs, you can be country gay, can't you? well, that's a big point of the movie. can't we be free anywhere? country gay is the term annie used to describe a fella she observed in real life that gave her inspriation for the story.

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"The little Texas voice came slip sliding down the wire."  what an interesting way to describe Lureen on the phone.

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"This would be alright, Jack would answer, would have to answer." 

a phrase that finally really, truly shows how much ennis loved jack. would have been interesting if ang lee decided to let ennis say, before lureen answered, "c'mon jack answer, you have to anwer, you've gotta be there..."

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this line just tears me up. i've been there. i've stared at one road. and to think jack stared at it, and he came out the way he did, the more outward, so to speak of the two, just kills me:

"The window looked down on the gravel road stretching south and it occurred to him that for his growing up years that was the only road Jack knew."

there could be other interpretations of this.. it's interesting. the only road? the only way out? remember he wanted to be anywhere but lightning flat.... and he was gay... interesting...

--

this line has been interesting. i know it's been mentioned a lot. but i have this take on it, don't think i read much here about it--thought a lot has been written on it too.

"Jack, I swear--" he said, though Jack had never asked him to swear anything and was himself not the swearing kind.

now, at first when i read this rather quickly, i thought cussing. then i thought, duh, swearing, as in swearing an oath, in marriage. and it's interesting, cuz it's ennis now swearing, like, committing, but then i got confused because it seems to imply that jack wasn't the swearing kind. but is it ennis who is not the swearing kind? that's how i first read it. but how annie wrote it seems a little nebulous. i guess it is jack. but jack wanted the life together, so wound't he be the swearing kind? but maybe it means that jack didn't just want to stick w/ societal norms and wanted him and ennis to take risks? in any case, it still shows ennis' now belated committment to jack. sniff.

---

And finally, this is my fave. The last line. and upon several readings of this line, this story, it's given more meanings to me.

"There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it."

when i think of the KE story, ennis' older brother beating him up, when ennis' dad tells him 'ennis you got a problem and you got a fix it' and that fix is punching the daylights out of KE.. and then i think to this line, and then back to when he said it around the campfire, it's just too much.he did try to fix it by punching jack. but jack never went away. he shut up his brother when he punched his brother, but later, that punch came to symbolize something else. the punch was love in this twisted way. and now, and the end, he can't fix being gay. he is gay. and always will be and always will be in love with jack. when he said the line around the campfire....it meant, well, if we can't fix this situation and be out and be lovers and leave our wives, then we just got to visit here and there.. and it also meant if we can't change society but ennis wasn't saying those big themes, those big words. even tho in his subconscious that is what he knew, what he was saying. this line is just telling. and by the end, it means that he is NOT going to fix being gay, he is not going to "fix" loving jack. in the middle of the story, the fixing meant, "fixing" their feelings for each other. by the end, he's not trying to fix his feelings any more.

i've got to get back to work. even tho i'm a newbie, i've gotta quit this for awhile. i've read hundreds of posts. sorry to lay on this thick, but it's the story's quotes that really got me, and hence, that is why i've put all this here. i hope dave and the moderators are not pissed if this is not in all the right spots. this is likely my last post. but i will keep checking back.






Title: Re: Favorite Quote From Story (subtle quotes) pt 2
Post by: mountain boy on January 20, 2006, 10:48:58 AM
... it's the story's quotes that really got me, and hence, that is why i've put all this here.
These are really wonderful sandyday! Thanks so much for sharing your insights with us. Pleeease come back more!!!

P.S.: You are smart!   :-[   :)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Lance on January 20, 2006, 11:18:47 AM
sandyday, that quote, ''Ennis felt he was in a slow-motion, but headlong, irreversible fall." it's falling like Lucifer from heaven, falling to the hell that is ordinary life, the hell of enforced separation from your love. to damnation.
[i knew and know that hell in many aspects.]

--
Ennis is not the swearing kind, not the vowsayer, not the committing kind. he spent with too little return twenty years of mostly emptiness because he would not commit to Jack, would not swear his love to him, would not be with him. now he will never have Jack again, but will always have his memory with only imagined warmth.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rabbar on January 20, 2006, 12:38:59 PM
sandyday, that better not be your last post...great, great stuff there.  I hope AnnieP is lurking here and seeing what she has wrought..(Hi Annie!)

Lance..I saw your "thank you" to jack for the Bonanza info in another thread..I think it's in the main story section..
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Lance on January 20, 2006, 01:29:21 PM
hmm... wonder how it got there. unless there are duplicates of Jack's answer in both threads, i betcha i really screwed up. a very likely possibility. nuthin new there, eh? ;)

i'm thinking there were two separate threads open in two separate pages in my browser at the same time.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote From Story (subtle quotes) pt 2
Post by: aintnoreins on January 20, 2006, 06:00:34 PM
....
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i find this following quote really interesting--it dovetails w/ the famous quote, "if you can't fix it you got a stand it."
early on, in the motel scene, in the story, there is a story that Ennis tells of his brother that is not in the movie. and actually bits of this are shifted to the first reunion scene around the fire with more of the famous quotes/scenes now (eg, what if we had a cow/calf operation.... we'll be dead...etc.)

so, ennis actually used that 'cant fix it phrase back in a story he told about his brother. his dad was tired of ennis crying from his brother beating him up. so this is what was said..and it relates to the later "can't fix it" line we all know...

ennis' dad, as ennis tells story: "...when I was six, he (ennis' dad) set me down and says, Ennis, you got a problem and you got a fix it or it's gonna be with you until your 90 and KE's (ennis' brother) 93.....Dad says, you take him unawares, don't say nothing to him, make him feel some pain, get out fast and keep doin it until he takes the message"

this is heartbreaking. this is what ennis does to jack -- the very last punch--with the blood on the famous shirts... what's sad now is that by the end of the story, "if you can't fix it you got a stand it" means something so different... it means love, it means that -- and with the way the line is in the story--ennis can't "fix" his love for jack... it will stay w/ him forever.... oh, there's just too many layers to this, too simplistic here....

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....

this is in the story only, their last trip; if you read this section closely there is a lot of symbolism of the end:
"Ennis, weather-eyed, looked west for the heated cumulus that might come up on such a day, but the boneless blue was so dep, said Jack, that he might drown from looking up."

I'm still figuring this line out. Jack drowning from looking up to the reality of the situation? the scene ends with them "torquing" things back to where they started....

and the bear appears in this scene, "with a lumpish gait that made it seem like it was falling apart." --amazing quote given the context/timing

and "twisting the dial of the transitor radio until the batteries died."   sniff.

--


in response to the first one ("if you can't fix it...") -
that also works with ennis's line when they're lying in bed in the motel - about how it took them so long to see each other again, ennis says "figured you was sore about that punch." he's joking of course, but maybe annie brings it back so we can see that it was kind of a test, both of himself and of jack - if it couldn't be "fixed" the only way ennis knew how, if jack didn't go away, then it would have to be stood. 

and as for the second - "he might drown from looking up" - like Jack does later in his own blood, if we are to believe lureen's story about his accidental death. or even if we don't. gah, that one gives me the creepy shudders, but yeah.

thanks for the intriguing analysis & food for thought  :)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: qguyhere on January 20, 2006, 11:45:26 PM
My favorite moment has no dialogue... okay, it does, but I can't really make out of what they say... It's this scene:

When Ennis and Jack part for the last time, we flash back to 20 years before, at the camp fire, when Ennis whispers sweet little nothing at Jack, then he leaves and the close-up of Jack's longing looks on his face as Ennis disappears among the trees...

BREAKS MY HEART, man.

My other favorite is the "Sometimes I missed you so much I could hardly stand it..."  Wow!

"I wish I knew how to quit ya..."  is powerful, too... but it has been mentioned so many times it's starting to become a cliche...

Title: Re: Favorite Quote From Story (subtle quotes) pt 2
Post by: jack on January 21, 2006, 01:33:24 AM
... it's the story's quotes that really got me, and hence, that is why i've put all this here.
These are really wonderful sandyday! Thanks so much for sharing your insights with us. Pleeease come back more!!!

P.S.: You are smart!   :-[   :)

been saving that up for a while, have you?

welcome, post early, post often...

jack
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: billaboi21 on January 21, 2006, 01:59:06 PM
"God, I wish I knew how to quit you"

is one of my favorite quotes. But I think the most memorable quotes came from Jack Twist. Another one,

"The truth is... sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it"

That's just exactly how so many people feel sometimes. I do miss some people a lot sometimes and it;s very hard for me to stand up. Most of the time, I jsut want to give up.


But there are other quotes that I found pretty funny:

Alma Beers Del Mar: You know, your friend could come inside, have a cup of coffee...
Ennis Del Mar: He's from Texas.
Alma Beers Del Mar: Texans don't drink coffee?

Jolly Minister: You may kiss the bride -- and if you don't, I will.

Ennis Del Mar: Hey, Monroe. Is Alma here?
Monroe: Uh, yeah, she's in the condiments aisle.
Ennis Del Mar: The what?
Monroe: Uh - ketchup.
[points]
Ennis Del Mar: Thanks.




Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: troyman on January 21, 2006, 05:47:12 PM
There are so many very memorable quotes from this film, there's no way I could just pick one.

I did find it interesting, however, that ONE of my favorite quotes: "If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it." appears in a different format in Proulx's "Postcards" which I'm almost finished reading.

When I came across it, I reread it a couple times, then realized it was the same sentiment and I smiled for a long time and had to reflect on "Brokeback" for awhile before I could keep reading.

It goes like this: "What can't be cured must be endured."

She's so freakin' clever.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jfitz19 on January 21, 2006, 07:00:19 PM
One of my favorites:  Just after Jack and Ennis emerge from Aguirre's trailer, Jack introduces himself and has to pry Ennis' last name out of him.  Jack then sticks out his hand and says, "Pleased to know you, Ennis Del Mar."  You can see that Jack is just tickled pink about his new partner for the summer. 
Title: Re: Favorite Quote From Story (subtle quotes) pt 2
Post by: Sarge on January 21, 2006, 09:51:29 PM
Quote
And finally, this is my fave. The last line. and upon several readings of this line, this story, it's given more meanings to me.

"There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it."

when i think of the KE story, ennis' older brother beating him up, when ennis' dad tells him 'ennis you got a problem and you got a fix it' and that fix is punching the daylights out of KE.. and then i think to this line, and then back to when he said it around the campfire, it's just too much.he did try to fix it by punching jack. but jack never went away. he shut up his brother when he punched his brother, but later, that punch came to symbolize something else. the punch was love in this twisted way. and now, and the end, he can't fix being gay. he is gay. and always will be and always will be in love with jack. when he said the line around the campfire....it meant, well, if we can't fix this situation and be out and be lovers and leave our wives, then we just got to visit here and there.. and it also meant if we can't change society but ennis wasn't saying those big themes, those big words. even tho in his subconscious that is what he knew, what he was saying. this line is just telling. and by the end, it means that he is NOT going to fix being gay, he is not going to "fix" loving jack. in the middle of the story, the fixing meant, "fixing" their feelings for each other. by the end, he's not trying to fix his feelings any more.

i've got to get back to work. even tho i'm a newbie, i've gotta quit this for awhile. i've read hundreds of posts. sorry to lay on this thick, but it's the story's quotes that really got me, and hence, that is why i've put all this here. i hope dave and the moderators are not pissed if this is not in all the right spots. this is likely my last post. but i will keep checking back.


     Splendid! And thanks for all that preceded the above.
     Just wondering if you heard the radio interview Annie Proulx gave? The link is posted on page 264 of the main thread.
    In it she says that the final sentence was written and sent to her agent AFTER the story was in type and had been contracted to be printed, it arrived just in time to be the conclusion for the story.
     Another amazing part of the tale...






Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: DeeGilles on January 22, 2006, 12:39:09 PM
One of my favorites: Just after Jack and Ennis emerge from Aguirre's trailer, Jack introduces himself and has to pry Ennis' last name out of him. Jack then sticks out his hand and says, "Pleased to know you, Ennis Del Mar." You can see that Jack is just tickled pink about his new partner for the summer.

I loved this.  It's a greeat and subtle way up the characterization of the two; Jack reaching out, offering his whole name (his whole self)  and Ennis reticent and withholding.  But Jack does it in such a teasing way.  It is so sweet. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: DeeGilles on January 22, 2006, 12:45:40 PM
"God, I wish I knew how to quit you"

"The truth is... sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it"

That's just exactly how so many people feel sometimes. I do miss some people a lot sometimes and it;s very hard for me to stand up. Most of the time, I jsut want to give up.



In the short story he says  "he missed Ennis bad enough sometimes to make him whip babies."  Now that's some serious  'missing'!!!   :D  I guess the writers thought that would have been a non PC thing to say, but I thought it was funny.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: kumari on January 22, 2006, 06:59:41 PM
He had staunched the blood which was everywhere, all over both of them, with his shirtsleeve, but the staunching hadn't held because Ennis had suddenly swung from the deck and laid the ministering angel out in the wild columbine, wings folded.

This sentence was so textured in pace and rhythm that I read it aloud several times. The massacre at Columbine did not happen until 2 years after the story was published. It goes to show how alive literature is, it never stays the same, always changing.
Now, the word "columbine" is loaded with meaning and it brings something completely unexpected to the sentence.
The way that Jake plays this scene in the film is consistent with the story's passage, he lies on his side clutching his head, dizzy with pain and disbelief after being thrown by his startled "horse," wings folded.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: dogged on January 24, 2006, 12:15:32 PM
From the short story, second to the last line:
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And he would wake sometimes in grief, sometimes with the old sense of joy and release; the pillow sometimes wet, sometimes the sheets.
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Life is but a dream, but a dream is but life. I'm in awe and in danger of dehydration from reading the short story multiple times which for me has been enriched ten fold after seeing the film a few days ago. As you can see, this is my first post. Excuse me if I f'd it up.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Uclapeterg on January 24, 2006, 12:43:54 PM
You did good.  :D Keep posting!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: happycamper on January 24, 2006, 12:46:06 PM
sandyday, thanks for the guided tour through the story.

Not a quote exactly, but I like how Ennis calls Jack "bud" and Jack calls Ennis "friend". It is so mano a mano.  :)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: wjp58 on January 24, 2006, 04:12:53 PM
From the movie: Reunion scene: "Jack fuckin' Twist!"  When else do you hear pure joy in Ennis's voice?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: andyincolorado on January 24, 2006, 06:12:08 PM
I apologize if anyone else posted this 'scene description' from Annie Proulx's story - takes place right after the reunion kiss near the stairs where Alma is watching from above:

"The door opened again a few inches and Alma stood in the narrow light. What could he (Ennis) say? "Alma, this is Jack Twist. Jack, my wife Alma". His chest was heaving. He could smell Jack - the intensely familiar odor of cigarettes, musky sweat and faint sweetness like grass, and with it the rushing cold of the mountain. .......

'You got a kid?' said Jack. His shaking hand grazed Ennis' hand, electrical current snapped between them.........

From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking."

Yeah - Jack had it bad for Ennis!

I felt that way too waiting to go out on a hot date!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: BillN on January 24, 2006, 10:36:46 PM
From the movie: Reunion scene: "Jack fuckin' Twist!"  When else do you hear pure joy in Ennis's voice?

Another place that we hear Ennis being joyful is in one of the camp scenes where he looks up into the heavens and when asked by Jack what is he praying for, Ennis playfully said it was a thanks for Jack not bringing the harmonica.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: fishinbuddy on January 25, 2006, 12:06:52 AM
"It's ok...It's ok...It's ok..."

Their love, held in the small stillness of the heart, both sacrifice and love, pain and redemption. Said three times in the movie by Jack, second night in the tent when he is literally giving Ennis permission to love and to need; after the tumble down the hill to calm Ennis and reassure himself that Ennis was ok, and to tell Ennis that he hadn't meant - could NEVER bring himself- to hurt Ennis purposefully; and lastly to Ennis in their final scene together, forgiving Ennis for the pain he's accused him of causing and promising to never leave him, assuring him that he's not "Nowhere, nuthin' " because he has Jack and is the man out of all the world the Jack Twist loves.

I can only say how much after seeing this movie I only wish I had a special someone to whisper to me,

"It's ok...It's ok...It's ok..."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: fishinbuddy on January 25, 2006, 12:21:27 AM
Other favorite quote, though not exactly a line (though definitely a 'line')

After Ennis says "you may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity.." and looks at Jack suggestively (I don't think there's another way to see it; he doesn'[t look at anyone any other time like this):


Jack growls a happy, hungry, suggestive, appreciative growl back at Ennis, AND PASSES ENNIS THE BOTTLE.


Damn fine acting, if it was that...
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: killersmom on January 25, 2006, 12:53:43 AM
Another place that we hear Ennis being joyful is in one of the camp scenes where he looks up into the heavens and when asked by Jack what is he praying for, Ennis playfully said it was a thanks for Jack not bringing the harmonica.

And he has one of the most beautiful smiles on his face I have ever seen.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jack on January 25, 2006, 04:52:34 AM
"It's ok...It's ok...It's ok..."

I can only say how much after seeing this movie I only wish I had a special someone to whisper to me,

"It's ok...It's ok...It's ok..."

yeah, i could use a bit 'o that myself
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Snowshoe on January 25, 2006, 12:24:13 PM
"Listen. I'm thinkin, tell you what, if you and me had a little ranch together, little cow and calf operation, your horses, it'd be some sweet life."

I also like the "That's one a the two things I need right now."


Sigh. Patiently waiting for Friday the 27th when Brokeback Mountain premieres here in Finland.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jersey on January 25, 2006, 12:50:42 PM
I love in the movie when Jack's talking to Lureen about finding his parka she asks why he (Ennis) never drives down to Texas and Jack says "besides, I don't think En's pick-up would make it". I love love love that he calls him En. That's just so cute.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: killersmom on January 25, 2006, 01:23:19 PM
"Listen. I'm thinkin, tell you what, if you and me had a little ranch together, little cow and calf operation, your horses, it'd be some sweet life."

I also like the "That's one a the two things I need right now."


Sigh. Patiently waiting for Friday the 27th when Brokeback Mountain premieres here in Finland.

Welcome snowshoe,

I am sorry you have to wait for the 27th. I remember when I had to wait for it to get to my city 3 weeks after it opened the first time. It is so nice to get so many people who have found this site who you can share with...please do so. You have already started the ball rolling.

killersmom
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Scoutjr on January 26, 2006, 07:16:14 AM
From the short story, second to the last line:
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And he would wake sometimes in grief, sometimes with the old sense of joy and release; the pillow sometimes wet, sometimes the sheets.
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I was just about to post this as one of my favorite lines from the short story too.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: vertimus on January 26, 2006, 07:03:36 PM
There are several power pieces of dialogue in the film, but for me, 'Jack, I swear...'  was the most loaded, and i think it will go down in film history. People have those seemingly inexpressible feelings all the time....and end up coughing out something very similar and 'saying it all-saying nothing' inclusive.

I think Jack's "I wish I knew how to quit you" comes out slightly stilted (thus, it's been the butt of most of the media jokes about the film), just slightly, which takes away from its power.

For me, it was the expression of Jack's tenderness towards Ennis that moved me the deepest in scenes of very little actual dialogue, as when Ennis barely, barely says, 'I'm sorry, I'm sorry"' during their second encounter when Jack is trying to kiss him, and Jack responds, 'It's alright, it's alright,' or when Ennis loses control of himself on the last day on the mountain and Jack says, "Ennis...Ennis" as he wraps his hands around Ennis' head.

To me, those were Gyllenhaal's greatest successes in the film, and also when Ennis collapses during their last meeting and Jack attempts to comfort him.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Caroline on January 26, 2006, 08:52:01 PM
Good evening everyone!!
SOmeone mentioned about passing 1000 registered users in the next day or so... I am so thrilled to tell you that we passed thatmark this evening!!! We are now over one thousand in our community here in the board. It will get and busier if the "media" paying attention to us (See Impact thread) is any indication. We all need to be patient with new posters 'cause they have not had the same opportunity to "analyse" as us older posters have...

and I would like to put forward, again, a gentle reminder to all posters that when "replying" to a quote,,,, please please edit the quotes as much as possible to keep down the amount of space taken up by reposting requotes... When posting to a reply on the same page, most of us can figure out what the reply is in response to.. of course, when quoting something from a while ago, by all means quote, BUT edit, if you can, while still keeping the context of what you are responding to .. to a minimum. There is nothing so daunting as seeing 237, 238, .....300 (just exagerating here) but the space taken up can be kept to a minimum, without interfering with your post.... my thanks on behalf of all the mods, Dave, Greg and Meli.....
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Quiplash on January 26, 2006, 09:16:24 PM
It's very hard for me to pick just one quote, but if forced to choose, my favourite quote is the reunion scene from Annie Proulx's short story.

In fact, I photoshopped a piece of BBM fanart around it, using a screencap from the movie:

UPDATE: I've been asked to replace the picture with a link, so here goes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/90280091

And my other choice would be the whole "I wish I knew how to quit you" speech by Jack during their last argument on their last day together.
Of course, there's fanart for that too (http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/88571218/).
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mountain boy on January 26, 2006, 09:19:23 PM
It's very hard for me to pick just one quote, but if forced to choose, my favourite quote is the reunion scene from Annie Proulx's short story.

In fact, I photoshopped a piece of BBM fanart around it, using a screencap from the movie:...
Quiplash I love this!! I added you on livejournal, right? I'm padpedpladuk. (Don't ask - it was the only name that was left.)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Quiplash on January 26, 2006, 09:54:45 PM
It's very hard for me to pick just one quote, but if forced to choose, my favourite quote is the reunion scene from Annie Proulx's short story.

In fact, I photoshopped a piece of BBM fanart around it, using a screencap from the movie:...
Quiplash I love this!! I added you on livejournal, right? I'm padpedpladuk. (Don't ask - it was the only name that was left.)
Thank you!  I have done a number of these...you can see them all here on flickr (http://flickr.com/groups/13857979@N00/pool/95658911@N00/).

There is something about this film that just made me get al creative.  Can't explian it at all; I've never had such a strong reaction to a movie before this.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: BigEd on January 26, 2006, 10:02:10 PM
I have done a number of these...you can see them all here on flickr (http://flickr.com/groups/13857979@N00/pool/95658911@N00/).

There is something about this film that just made me get al creative.  Can't explian it at all; I've never had such a strong reaction to a movie before this.


Quiplash - those are really beautiful!! Thanks for sharing them.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: fishinbuddy on January 27, 2006, 12:51:29 AM
Big Ed, where on earth did you find the pic you have of the actors smiling used for you profile pic? I'd love to find that in a decent size!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Scoutjr on January 27, 2006, 12:17:41 PM
I love that line too...so perfect
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: sv0 on January 27, 2006, 03:02:24 PM
From the short story, second to the last line:
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And he would wake sometimes in grief, sometimes with the old sense of joy and release; the pillow sometimes wet, sometimes the sheets.
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I was just about to post this as one of my favorite lines from the short story too.

Yes, this is one of my absolute favorites as well.  I broke out in marble-size goosebumps reading it just now.  My first true love died tragically at age 28.  I had a lot of emotion to work out, including a lot of anger toward him. After he died I dreamed of him constantly, which caused me great inner conflict.  For a number of reasons I hated the fact that he wouldn't stop haunting me.  One day I had a sudden insight that I should stop fighting and from that point on he became a different figure, one who brings me comfort.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: sv0 on January 27, 2006, 03:05:38 PM
I have many favorites from the story, but I can't get away from "COMIC OBSCENITY."  Together those two words sum up my worldview.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Dal on January 27, 2006, 03:56:40 PM
[...]ONE of my favorite quotes: "If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it." appears in a different format in Proulx's "Postcards" which I'm almost finished reading.

When I came across it, I reread it a couple times, then realized it was the same sentiment and I smiled for a long time and had to reflect on "Brokeback" for awhile before I could keep reading.

It goes like this: "What can't be cured must be endured."

She's so freakin' clever.

This phrase is the motto of some character in Mrs. Wiggs of the Cabbage Patch, published in the '30s;  I ran across the book on my grandmother's bookshelf in McCamey, TX.  My grandmother used to say it, now and again.

Marian the Librarian aka Dal
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: teutocelt on January 27, 2006, 07:41:23 PM
Only read the first page of this thread, and saw Amdaz' post:

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All of those things you people wrote.
But I love the little things too.
Just like when Ennis fuzz about the tent and Jack playing harmonica.
Ennis said " well if I got lucky that harmonica would have been broken too" and Jack had this HUGE grin on his face.

So from that, my favorite is actually a mondegreen of that scene...

When Jack mentions that the horse has finally thrown him, I totally heard Ennis' statement as, "Well, if I'd a been that filly, I'd a been buckin' too."  And then that sh**-eatin' grin on Jack's face!  Doubly funny 'cause Ennis has no clue (at least consciously) what he's just really said. 

I was SO DEEPLY disappointed when I saw it the third time with better sound, and realized...  Man.   :-\
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Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on January 28, 2006, 07:19:34 AM
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Ennis said " well if I got lucky that harmonica would have been broken too" and Jack had this HUGE grin on his face.

So from that, my favorite is actually a mondegreen of that scene...

When Jack mentions that the horse has finally thrown him, I totally heard Ennis' statement as, "Well, if I'd a been that filly, I'd a been buckin' too."  And then that sh**-eatin' grin on Jack's face!  Doubly funny 'cause Ennis has no clue (at least consciously) what he's just really said. 

I was SO DEEPLY disappointed when I saw it the third time with better sound, and realized...  Man.   :-\

I like your version better, teutocelt.

(irish & german perhaps?)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Scoutjr on January 28, 2006, 02:11:17 PM
Posting this question here as I am not sure where else to post it> What exactly does "Stem the rose" mean?

 ???
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Dal on January 28, 2006, 03:01:20 PM
Posting this question here as I am not sure where else to post it> What exactly does "Stem the rose" mean?


It is an ironically poetic expression for a particular form of interpersonal contact illegal in many (most?) states in 1963.  I don't know if A. Proulx made it up, or if she heard it from Wyoming old-timers.

Dal 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: sunspot on January 28, 2006, 05:00:27 PM
Posting this question here as I am not sure where else to post it> What exactly does "Stem the rose" mean?

Stem = penis.
Rose = anus.

What a nasty little expression . . . I love it!
 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Scoutjr on January 28, 2006, 05:53:35 PM

Stem = penis.
Rose = anus.

What a nasty little expression . . . I love it!
 

Welll I thought it was something along those lines...
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: paintedshoes on January 28, 2006, 08:31:58 PM


UPDATE: I've been asked to replace the picture with a link, so here goes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/quiplash/90280091


Quiplash, I just went to the link.  When I saw "Jack, I swear" I almost lost it.  Absolutely beautiful.  Thank you.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: chevamartin on January 29, 2006, 07:24:17 AM
I saw the film in Italian twice so I'm not sure about the exact quotes and what they said. But one of my favorite moments is when they see each other again after four years and Ennis just smiles. He looks so happy to see Jack again. It brought tears to my eyes to see how happy they were together.
the other part that makes me sad every time I think about it is the second scene of them together on the mountain. ennis walks over to the tent and bends down and after they kiss he says 'sorry' and jack says 'niente, niente.. tranquillo.' (the italian version.. what is it in english? someone tell me :) It's just so soft and gentle, the whole scene is amazing.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Scoutjr on January 29, 2006, 08:08:33 AM
ennis walks over to the tent and bends down and after they kiss he says 'sorry' and jack says 'niente, niente.. tranquillo.' (the italian version.. what is it in english? someone tell me :) It's just so soft and gentle, the whole scene is amazing.


"it's all right, it's all right"
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: killersmom on January 29, 2006, 09:08:55 AM
I saw the film in Italian twice so I'm not sure about the exact quotes and what they said. But one of my favorite moments is when they see each other again after four years and Ennis just smiles. He looks so happy to see Jack again. It brought tears to my eyes to see how happy they were together.
the other part that makes me sad every time I think about it is the second scene of them together on the mountain. ennis walks over to the tent and bends down and after they kiss he says 'sorry' and jack says 'niente, niente.. tranquillo.' (the italian version.. what is it in english? someone tell me :) It's just so soft and gentle, the whole scene is amazing.

chevamartin,
WOW, yet another country heard from. Thanks for joining us and sharing some of your favorite moments with us.
If would like to, you might want to go to the meet and greet topic and intoduce yourself. Many people go there to see who has come aboard and it is  a great place to see if there are any other Italians on the board as well. Here's the link:

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?board=4.0

If not than just keep posting and sharing all over.
Welcome again and keep coming back.

killersmom

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Leaker on January 29, 2006, 09:04:05 PM
My favorite quote is from the story...

After they argue about Ennis not being able to see Jack again until November and after the story states 'Nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved'. The story (and movie) contain a throwback to the summer on Brokeback Mountain when they owned the world. In the story the throwback begins as follows:

What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some share and sexless hunger.

This quote matches the popular 'embrace' photo of Ennis holding Jack from behind. A powerful section of the short story...


Anyone that has even been truly been in love knows the power of such a silent embrace. This is the part of the story when I really got teary eyed.  :'(

Thanks for a great web site... Peter
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Caroline on January 29, 2006, 09:06:57 PM
good to see you here Peter, welcome to the board...
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: gyllenWHAT on January 29, 2006, 11:51:14 PM
I've got many I'm quite fond of, I can't choose just one.
Of course- "I wish I knew how to quit you."
Then, "Truth is, sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."
Also, "You know it could be like this, Just like this, Always."
And at the very end, when Ennis says "Jack, I swear..." Cause it always gets me.
I also really like the scene at Thanksgiving with Ennis and Alma in the kitchen.
The whole, "Jack Twist? Jack Nasty." quote.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: trcarr on January 30, 2006, 08:04:08 PM
My favorite is the very last line, so madeningly ambiguous and deeply personal: "Jack, I swear".

Coming just moments after the unexpected surpise of Alma Jr.'s upcoming wedding, one could interpret this as Ennis' long overdue, tragic declaration of eternal love for Jack.  It's the spiritual equivalent to a matrimonial "I DO".

He makes this statement while standing before the little "shrine" to Jack, caressing the shirts, leveling the postcard.  It's clearly the most sacred place in his entire universe, the closest he'll ever again get to an altar.  As an implied oath of fidelity, he will never again feel the warmth of a body beside him. 

Perhaps Ralph Waldo Emerson was thinking about someone like the tortured Ennis Del Mar when he wrote:

"The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation."

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: chaya on January 30, 2006, 10:46:53 PM
All the quotes given are so good, you can't pick just one, but this one, my signature line, jumped out at me when I read it in Proulx's story...Jack does find another little dog on Brokeback Mountain....
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: killersmom on January 30, 2006, 11:23:55 PM
...Jack does find another little dog on Brokeback Mountain....
 

Oh wow chaya, I love it, thanks.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: scotsman on January 31, 2006, 11:59:23 AM
It has to be Ennis's "There ain't no reins on this one", his highly appropriately phrased (who says he's inarticulate?) recognition of how deep their relationship is, how overwhelming it is.And I also, as I said before, love the way that Jack responds to this, non-verbally,just strokes Ennis's face, as his way of saying "I know".
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aim on January 31, 2006, 01:27:48 PM
ive got another one now

"jack f'kin twist"

"son of a bitch"

-so rough and kinda manly, but said with so much love....its crazy how cuss words can be delivered with so much feeling-loved it, it totally said anything

and for other reasons "that line aint never seen no water" (michelle deserves an award for the delivery of that line alone)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: MuscLA_1 on January 31, 2006, 02:31:55 PM
"Ennis, riding back to the sheep in the treacherous, drunken light, thought he’d never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon.”
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: karind1 on January 31, 2006, 10:17:34 PM
what always gets me is when ennis falls to his knees holding jack and says "I can't stand this anymore"....it rips me up.  I think he cannot stand hiding anymore but won't say it outright.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Snowshoe on February 01, 2006, 09:19:31 AM
I absolutely love the "little darlin" scene. It speaks volumes.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Cambridge on February 01, 2006, 09:24:16 AM
ive got another one now...and for other reasons "that line aint never seen no water" (michelle deserves an award for the delivery of that line alone)

The line is actually "that pole never touched the water" making it even better, under the circumstances ;) as implying, "yeah, but another pole of yours got a lotta use all those years."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: semicharmd on February 01, 2006, 02:32:55 PM
It has to be Ennis's "There ain't no reins on this one", his highly appropriately phrased (who says he's inarticulate?) recognition of how deep their relationship is, how overwhelming it is.And I also, as I said before, love the way that Jack responds to this, non-verbally,just strokes Ennis's face, as his way of saying "I know".

 :)  This would also be my favorite. I am not going to add anything, you said it just perfect.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: RichieM on February 01, 2006, 04:28:39 PM
I've been lurking at this Dave Cullen website for days now and finally now can contribute something original (I think) to one of these wonderful threads.  Maybe it's been mentioned already, but the one line that sticks in my craw is one that we all can relate to... It is a line from the book (and, evidently from the screenplay, but I haven't received my own copy yet to check and find out for sure).

It takes place at the end of Jack's and Ennis' last scene together...after their argument they "torque things to just about where they were before"...or something like that, and then, the devastating line for me:

but there was "nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved".

Imagine the pain the two of them were in...with absolutely no end or beginning or resolution in sight and knowing it never would be. 

There are lots and lots of great lines, but this is the one that encapsulates their entire 20 year relationship for me.

Rich
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: SquallCloud on February 01, 2006, 04:35:17 PM
"we got a bitch of an unsatisfactory situation here"

I love this line, but i think its "What we got here is a god dammed bitch of an unsatisfactory situation"

I also love when Jack says "Sheeit...that's hard" and "Fast or slow..I just like the direction you're headed"

And what about "You shit down, you old son of a bitch...this is my house, this is my child and you are my guest.. you sit down before I knock your ignorant ass into next week."

Yah all of these. A lot of their greatness is attributable to Jake's delivery.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Cambridge on February 01, 2006, 05:02:21 PM
I've been lurking at this Dave Cullen website for days now and finally now can contribute something original (I think) to one of these wonderful threads.  It takes place at the end of Jack's and Ennis' last scene together...after their argument they "torque things to just about where they were before"...or something like that, and then, the devastating line for me: but there was "nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved".

Richie:

I'm not the host (for that we praise Dave) but "welcome."

And lurkers everywhere: Speak Up! We need to hear new voices with new viewpoints.

And while I too have neither my copy of the story (sent to a friend) or the screenplay/story/essay book (going around the office) the first part of that quote, the "but things were pretty much torqued back to where they were"..."nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved." is key to me. And which, I think, changes by a bit the meaning you've taken from the words. It always was fleeting. It always was unsettled. And while nothing ended: they were still, if unhappily on Jack's part, to meet again in November; nothing began either: "nothing" being the end of the affair. Granted it was the last time they saw each other but neither one knew it then.

Yes it was "a bitch of an unsatisfactory situation" but the one they'd dealt with - and treasured - until then. Maybe I'm, like Nurse Nellie in South Pacific, "Only a Cockeyed Optimist" but were I in Jack's place, I can't help but think I'd be singing something like "I have heard people rant and rave and bellow - That we're done and we might as well be dead - But I'm only a cockeyed optimist - And I can't get it into my head." With further apologies to Rodgers and Hammerstein, the song continues "But I'm stuck like a dope - With a thing called hope - And I can't get it out of my heart!"

Jack's been singing a riff on that song for twenty years. I suspect, had he not died - however he died - he'd have been there in the Fall. As would Ennis: he only learns of Jack's death in response to the postcard he sent confirming the next trip.

A "bitch of an unsatisfactory situation?" Sure, but the only one they knew. Knowing it would never be? We do, by the end of the story or film, but I don't think they did.

Or maybe I'm just a cockeyed optimist, but I can't get them out of my head. Or my heart either.
   


Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: RichieM on February 01, 2006, 05:38:40 PM

And while I too have neither my copy of the story (sent to a friend) or the screenplay/story/essay book (going around the office) the first part of that quote, the "but things were pretty much torqued back to where they were"..."nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved." is key to me. And which, I think, changes by a bit the meaning you've taken from the words. It always was fleeting. It always was unsettled. And while nothing ended: they were still, if unhappily on Jack's part, to meet again in November; nothing began either: "nothing" being the end of the affair. Granted it was the last time they saw each other but neither one knew it then.
end of the story or film, but I don't think they did.
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Cambridge,

thanks for the warm welcome!

I agree with you and I'm not sure we see interpret the text differently.  Yes, Jack would have been there the following November and, yes, neither of them knew they wouldn't see each other again, so they presumed it would go on as it was. 

But it became more clear as the movie progressed that their trips to the mountains were more and more overshadowed by lack of resolution, age and regret.  The mood of each trip in the movie gets darker and the tone more serious.   I've been there before, as most of us have at one point or another:  you can't let go but holding on is torture.   

Yes, their fleeting trips in the mountains were better than the alternative.  I wouldn't have handled it any differently than Jack did.  But it was torture nonetheless, and that's why the line "nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved" rings so true for me.
 
As all this continues to weigh on my mind (I keep thinking it easily could have been me living such a lie), I imagine that Ennis was only a few years away from ending his child support payments, at which point he would have been able to make a change in his life.  By that time, it would have been the mid-80s and maybe, just maybe, he would have wisened up (as we all do when we reach 40....) and decided to give it a shot with Jack.

I know it would have been out of character, I know, but it is nice thinking about.

Thanks again for the welcome and great thoughts,

Richie



Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: NYSwanny on February 03, 2006, 01:57:56 AM
Other posters have already mentioned most of my favorite lines, so I’ll mention my other favorite passages from the short story.  I love the wonderfully crafted references -- by Proulx as narrator and through the mouths of her characters -- to the mountain, its nature, and all that it comes to hold.  These descriptions and references, in the order in which they unfold in the story, really do tell the tale of what is taking place inside and between the people:

In the prologue:  “If he does not force his attention on it [the dream Ennis had the past night], it might stoke the day, rewarm that old, cold time on the mountain when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong.”

“Ennis and Jack, the dogs, horses and mules, a thousand ewes and their lambs flowed up the trail like dirty water through the timber and out above the tree line into the great flowery meadows and the coursing, endless wind.”

“During the day Ennis looked across a great gulf and sometimes saw Jack, a small dot moving across high meadows as an insect moves across a tablecloth; Jack in his dark camp, saw Ennis as night fire, a red spark on the black mass of mountain.”

“Ennis, riding against the wind back to the sheep in the treacherous, drunken light, thought he’d never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon.”

“Too late to go out to them damn sheep,” said Ennis, dizzy drunk on all fours one cold hour when the moon had notched past two.  The meadow stones glowed white-green and a flinty wind worked over the meadow, scraped the fire low, then ruffled it into yellow silk sashes.”

“There were only the two of them on the mountain flying in the euphoric, bitter air, looking down on the hawk’s back and the crawling lights of vehicles on the plain below, suspended above ordinary affairs and distant from tame ranch dogs barking in the dark hours.  They believed themselves invisible….”

“In August Ennis spent the whole night with Jack in the main camp and in a blowy hailstorm the sheep took off west and got among a herd in another allotment….  In a disquieting way everything seemed mixed.”

“…they packed the sheep, stones rolling at their heels, purple cloud crowding in from the west and the metal smell of coming snow pressing them on.  The mountain boiled with demonic energy, glazed and flickering broken-cloud light, the wind combed the grass and drew from the damaged krummholz and slit rock a bestial drone.  As they descended the slope Ennis felt he was in a slow-motion, but headlong, irreversible fall.”

In the short story, after this point the boys never return to Brokeback but rather go to other similarly unpopulated mountains and lakes, as opposed to the movie, in which we are open to believe that Brokeback could, at least sometimes, remain the location for their infrequent rendezvous.  In any event, at a deeper (and truer) level, we know both that Brokeback never lets them go and they never can return.

“He could smell Jack--the intensely familiar odor of cigarettes, musky sweat and a faint sweetness like grass, and with it the rushing cold of the mountain.”

“Ennis, weather-eyed, looked west for the heated cumulus that might come up on such a day but the boneless blue was so deep, said Jack, that he might drown looking up.” “On the third morning there were the clouds Ennis had expected, a grey racer out of the west, a bar of darkness driving wind before it and small flakes.  It faded after an hour into tender spring now that heaped wet and heavy.”

“’And why’s it always we’re in the friggin cold weather?’”  “’…so what we got now is Brokeback Mountain.  Everything built on that.  It’s all we got, boy, fuckin all, so I hope you know that if don’t never know the rest.’”

“Like vast clouds of steam from thermal springs in winter the years of things unsaid and now unsayable--admissions, declarations, shames, guilts, fears--rose around them.”

In the flashback:  “The minutes ticked by from the round watch in Ennis’s pocket, from the sticks in the fire settling into coals.  Stars bit through wavy heat layers above the fire.  Ennis’s breath came slow and quiet, he hummed, rocked a little in the sparklight and Jack leaned against the steady heartbeat, the vibrations of the humming like faint electricity and, standing, he fell into sleep that was not sleep but something else drowsy and tranced until Ennis…gave Jack a shake, a push, and went off in the darkness.”

Echoing Ennis’s own accusation to Jack, and in contrast to what the two boys and we know Brokeback to be:  “’I thought Brokeback Mountain was around where he grew up.  But knowing Jack, it might be some pretend place where the bluebirds sing and there’s a whisky spring….No doubt about it, she was polite but the little voice was cold as snow.”

“He pressed his face into the fabric and breathed in slowly through his mouth and nose, hoping for the faintest smoke and mountain sage and salty sweet stink of Jack but there was no real scent, only the memory of it, the imagined power of Brokeback Mountain of which nothing was left but what he held in his hands.”

And, of course, reduced visually, in the end, to a postcard Ennis procures, “Scene a Brokeback Mountain,” in front of which Ennis makes his avowal.

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As Jack notes to Ennis, and for us who are given a tiny, intimate glimpse into their world, “Old Brokeback got us good….”

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Although Annie Proulx said that she was apprehensive when she learned that the director who made The Hulk was taking on the movie project, she later came to realize that few if anybody else other than Ang Lee could have so faithfully brought the sense of location, so integral to her story, to the screen. 

BTW, the scene of the final "goddamn bitch of an unsatisfactory situation" fight to me is the most breath-taking in the movie.  The mountain is so far away--visually, in time, and emotionally at this point--and at the same time so immediate and immensely present it takes up the entire background of both the screen and the connection between these two individuals.  In that scene, with Jack (at last) standing up to Ennis (after having gained footing regarding his own father and father-in-law--Jack's path of overcoming), the mountain stands at its tallest height, revealed in that half of its dual nature, as rocky, hard, cold, timeless, unfeeling, and unconcerned with the affairs of men as it in any other point in the story.  For a few moments, the top of the screen with the mountain peaks' icy snow-caps is so luminous above the bottom half of the screen, the world below that now contains Jack and Ennis and the richer and darker tones, that it was almost hard for me to look at it.

People will argue about whether and when a work can and should be called a masterpiece.  For me, even if it were true for no other person, Proulx’s mountain (and Lee's) sits very comfortably alongside Melville’s whale-inhabited sea or Conrad’s dark jungle.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: romeshvr on February 03, 2006, 04:38:47 AM
mine is not a quote or story...but whenever ennis is hurt....or else...jack always says c'mere...the way jake gyllenhaal says it melts my hart and i feel the love jack has for ennis....very touching...

jack says c'mere in three or four instances...

1 second tent scene
2 when they have that tumble before coming down the mountain and jack accidently hits ennis nose and he bleeds
3 final scene where ennis is down crying jack says c'mere...
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: happycamper on February 03, 2006, 11:20:34 AM
Not THE favorite, but a favorite. In the short story it says "They came together on paper as herder and camp tender..." when we know they came together on paper in Annie's typewriter.  ;D She did such a phenomenal job of creating real people.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jacquessalah on February 03, 2006, 01:24:03 PM
Hi evrybody....I think my favorite is : "why don't you let me be? it's because of you I'm like this. I'm nothing, I'm nowhere.." I found love once and this is how you feel...you feel like you are someone else, strong and weak at the same time...
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: JoeR on February 03, 2006, 06:25:01 PM
I have two-neither very profund.

1.  "He's from Texas"  Ennis's response to Alma's asking if Jack wants some coffee.

2.  "Do you want a push or something" Ennis to his daughters after that fight with Alma.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: dogged on February 04, 2006, 06:20:29 PM
AGUIRRE:...sleep with the sheep. Hundred percent.

The rhyme, and the bestial double entendre.

I think this phrase could come into usage to mean "giving one's all to something," at least among brokeaholics, of which I am one. I love the film more each time I see it and I never tire of the language in either the short story or movie, and love the actor's performances more and more. 

I'm not only in love with half the lines in the film, at least, some lines I just love because of the way the actors say them. For example, in the first bar scene, the way Jake asks: "Do you rodeo?"

Or the way Heath says: "They did the best they could after’n my folks was gone." It is the sound of the words and rhythms of sentences that both Proulx and McMurtry are great at. Heath and Jake both have beautiful voices. I groove on just listening to them talk, and for them to have such wonderful lines to say. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TexRob on February 04, 2006, 06:43:22 PM
My favorite movie quote:

Ennis:  "It's because of you I'm like this ... I'm nobody...nothing!" 

The movie is so quotable there are countless others, and lots of the others posters have mentioned my other favorites.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: vertimus on February 04, 2006, 08:13:34 PM
TexRob, that is for me the very saddest specific scene in the film and the one that makes me cry the most.

Heath does an incredible job.

I think we've all felt like that at times and also feel deeply shamed if we come anyone near to voicing it. Unbelievable. Just thinking it is shaming, tragicially enough.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on February 05, 2006, 08:19:52 AM
"nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved".

There are lots and lots of great lines, but this is the one that encapsulates their entire 20 year relationship for me.

That line encapsulates my entire 8 year relationship with my "ennis."

Thanks for sharing that Rich (and welcome to the forum!)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TexRob on February 05, 2006, 08:34:39 AM

Heath does an incredible job.



Heath's other incredible quote is "Jack-fuckin'-Twist!"  It's not just what he says, it's the way he says it.  The accent, tone and mood were perfect.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on February 05, 2006, 09:03:38 AM
I have two-neither very profund.

1.  "He's from Texas"  Ennis's response to Alma's asking if Jack wants some coffee.

"Don't Texans drink coffee???"

Love that reply. 
Ennis does NOT want to share Jack with Alma at all.

2.  "Do you want a push or something" Ennis to his daughters after that fight with Alma.
Quote

It's cute how both girls answer "no" in unison singsong voice...

Great quotes, both of them.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: shipwrecked on February 05, 2006, 07:55:33 PM
How about   "I'm not like you.  I can't make it on a couple a high-altitude fucks a year."  bitter and funny and succinct.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: trinket on February 06, 2006, 07:04:59 AM
I think this is my first time on this thread, I didn't know it was here until today.

As others have said, there are SO MANY quotes from the movie that are so wonderful, like the movie itself.
MY 2 favorite are
1- after the reunion and they have gone to the mountains and are talking by the fire and Jack says to Ennis "ya know, it could be like this.  Just like this, always."  When Jake says that it's in such a very young man way, yet so grown-up.

2-  #1 FAVORITE - Their last night by the fire when they're laughing about the gals they're "putting the bricks to" and then Jack says to Ennis "Truth is, sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."

OH MAN!! HEARTBREAKING......which then goes into the next day, their final scene together.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: MuscLA_1 on February 06, 2006, 05:00:54 PM
When they part after the first summer on the mountain:

""Right," said Jack, and they shook hands, hit each other on the shoulder, then there was forty feet of distance between them and nothing to do but drive away in opposite directions. Within a mile Ennis felt like someone was pulling his guts out hand over hand a yard at a time. He stopped at the side of the road and, in the whirling new snow, tried to puke but nothing came up. He felt about as bad as he ever had and it took a long time for the feeling to wear off."

At the motel:

"Christ, it got a be all that time a yours ahorseback makes it so goddamn good. We got to talk about this. Swear to god I didn't know we was goin a get into this again — yeah, I did. Why I'm here. I fuckin knew it. Redlined all the way, couldn't get here fast enough."

From their last trip together:

"Jack broke the seal on a bottle of whiskey, took a long, hot swallow, exhaled forcefully, said, "That's one a the two things I need right now," capped and tossed it to Ennis."

Flashback to that first summer:

"Ennis's breath came slow and quiet, he hummed, rocked a little in the sparklight and Jack leaned against the steady heartbeat, the vibrations of the humming like faint electricity and, standing, he fell into sleep that was not sleep but something else drowsy and tranced until Ennis, dredging up a rusty but still useable phrase from the childhood time before his mother died, said, "Time to hit the hay, cowboy. I got a go. Come on, you're sleepin on your feet like a horse," and gave Jack a shake, a push, and went off in the darkness."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: scot5636 on February 06, 2006, 05:49:17 PM
Mine's a two-parter, coming right after the reunion snog, when they are talking to Alma:

"His shaking hand grazed Ennis's hand, electrical current snapped between them."

"From the vibration on the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking."

These images just kill me.  It's so sweet and such a powerful image of the connection between them.  Jack is so overwhelmed, he's literally vibrating with excitement.  Practically makes me shake just thinking about it.

I was a little disappointed that the movie didn't really capture that moment.  There's not much of the emotional/physical/sexual tension in the movie scene that A. Prouxl captures so vividly.  Probably difficult to convey on screen, but Ang Lee's not exactly a novice.  And he was certainly successful conveying a thousand other subtle nuances between Jack and Ennis.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: lightsrays05 on February 06, 2006, 05:56:06 PM

 Heath and Jake both have beautiful voices. I groove on just listening to them talk, and for them to have such wonderful lines to say. 


I like when Jake says "It could be like this, just like this, always..."

He gives a little effette/sweet/loving voice that makes me HARD!!!

But from the book I think it is: "...yet he is suffused with a sense of pleasure because Jack Twist was in his dreams.."

That gives the only positive spin in the throughly sad story of his life.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rickpouch on February 06, 2006, 09:31:32 PM
MuscLa_1:

I agree. In the movie, Ennis statement during the dozey embrace is incredible. (But how can we pick a favorite? They are all great.)

Scot5636:

You mention that your favorite quotes in the book revolve around the "electric current" that transfers between Jack & Ennis imediately after their reunion (as they are talking to Alma upstairs), as well as at the same time, the "vibration on the floorboards" that Ennis feels as Jake stands next to him. That really hit me too.(Although it hasn't been talked about much at this site.)
I agree with you that it would be hard for Ang to portray this onscreen.

However I must confess, that even after seeing BBM so many times, I still listen just in case Ang included the floorboards squeaking !
But I believe that the anxiousness (sp. ??) that (Jake and Heath convey as Jack and Ennis) along with their facial expressions, clearly shows that they are excited to see each other.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Tell you what... on February 07, 2006, 12:57:48 AM
MuscLa_1:

I agree. In the movie, Ennis statement during the dozey embrace is incredible. (But how can we pick a favorite? They are all great.)

Scot5636:

You mention that your favorite quotes in the book revolve around the "electric current" that transfers between Jack & Ennis imediately after their reunion (as they are talking to Alma upstairs), as well as at the same time, the "vibration on the floorboards" that Ennis feels as Jake stands next to him. That really hit me too.(Although it hasn't been talked about much at this site.)
I agree with you that it would be hard for Ang to portray this onscreen.

However I must confess, that even after seeing BBM so many times, I still listen just in case Ang included the floorboards squeaking !
But I believe that the anxiousness (sp. ??) that (Jake and Heath convey as Jack and Ennis) along with their facial expressions, clearly shows that they are excited to see each other.

I, too, love that image from the story but I think that the excitement they felt was pretty well conveyed in the kiss downstairs.

He could smell Jack -- the intensely familiar odor of cigarettes, musky sweat and a faint sweetness like grass, and with it the rushing cold of the mountain.

They seized each other by the shoulders, hugged mightily, squeezing the breath out of each other, saying, son of a bitch, son of a bitch, then, and easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths came together, and hard, Jack's big teeth bringing blood, his hat falling to the floor, stubble rasping, wet saliva welling...

The one line I missed in the story to the movie was when Ennis called Jack "Little darlin'"  That would have said SOOO much!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Anchy on February 07, 2006, 01:30:48 AM
I think that it would be:

"If you can't fix it you gotta stand it"

It's just so sad!! :'(
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: sarah on February 07, 2006, 05:56:50 AM
"There ain't no reins on this one" says it all.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ToolPackinMama on February 07, 2006, 02:01:14 PM
When Jack, in pain after 20 frustrating years, cries "I wish I knew how to quit you!"  It says everything for both of them: both about the hell that they go through, and about the unending nature of their love.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cythera4 on February 07, 2006, 07:26:33 PM
Heath's other incredible quote is "Jack-fuckin'-Twist!"  It's not just what he says, it's the way he says it.  The accent, tone and mood were perfect.

I think this line may be Heath's invention b/c it doesn't appear in either the story or the script. Without it, so much would be lost. He says it at least three times, and each time expresses a wealth of emotion: the reunion, a later camp scene (Jack Fuckin Twist got it all figured out), and their final scene together (threatening Jack about Mexico). Do we know where this line originated?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: sunspot on February 07, 2006, 09:45:30 PM
I also love the "Jack Fuckin' Twist" line.  Feels so authentic.

Am I the only one who gets a little turned on when Ennis threatens Jack over Mexico?  That bit where he shoves Jack is smokin' hot.  I think it's the closest Ennis ever comes to admitting how much he loves Jack, and he's such a stag doing it.  If it had been me standing in front of those mountains instead of Jack, the argument would have ended right then and there with the two of us fuckin' our brains out.
 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cythera4 on February 07, 2006, 09:56:08 PM
Am I the only one who gets a little turned on when Ennis threatens Jack over Mexico?  That bit where he shoves Jack is smokin' hot.  I think it's the closest Ennis ever comes to admitting how much he loves Jack, and he's such a stag doing it.  If it had been me standing in front of those mountains instead of Jack, the argument would have ended right then and there with the two of us fuckin' our brains out.

I agree, but I get the sense that Jack is kind of saddened by this--that the only way Ennis can register the true depth of his feeling is through this threat. It's sort of like: here I am, dude, I don't need Mexico, just reach out and take me!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: bluehorse on February 07, 2006, 10:06:02 PM
I think Jack is more pissed, more defiant in response to the threat than saddened (YES, I've been to Mexico, is that a problem?) I think he is furious in that moment about that short leash, wanting so much, getting little. This is the first time he stands up to Ennis in this way, demands something, all the other times he backs off completely. And Ennis crumbles from it, devastated by the betrayal, by Jack's unhappiness. Ugh. I like that Ennis gets so possessive though, his heart revealed so completely. Volcanic again. . .
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: memememe on February 08, 2006, 09:53:07 AM
"sometimes I miss you so much, I can hardly stand it". It shows just how much Jack loves Ennis. In a way, it tells us why he drinks so much, as Lureen said "he used to drink a lot".
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: memememe on February 08, 2006, 09:54:34 AM
Gawd. I'm blubbering as I write this  :'(
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: AndyO on February 08, 2006, 01:05:56 PM
For me it has got to be when Jack introduces himself to Ennis:

Jack Twist.
Ennis.
Your folks just stopped at Ennis?
Del Mar.
Nice to know you, Ennis del Mar.

I just love it.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cythera4 on February 08, 2006, 02:48:14 PM
"sometimes I miss you so much, I can hardly stand it". It shows just how much Jack loves Ennis.

This line is so beautiful, coming as it does after both of them have boasted about their other "conquests" (and with us knowing that Jack's is with another man). But *this* feeling expresses the real truth for both of them, as Jack acknowledges: "the truth is...." The only problem I have with the line that follows is: wouldn't the typical Wyoming/Texas phrasing be: "I miss you so much I can't hardly stand it"?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: WLAGuy on February 08, 2006, 02:59:31 PM
Am I the only one who gets a little turned on when Ennis threatens Jack over Mexico?  That bit where he shoves Jack is smokin' hot.  I think it's the closest Ennis ever comes to admitting how much he loves Jack, and he's such a stag doing it.  If it had been me standing in front of those mountains instead of Jack, the argument would have ended right then and there with the two of us fuckin' our brains out.

I agree, but I get the sense that Jack is kind of saddened by this--that the only way Ennis can register the true depth of his feeling is through this threat. It's sort of like: here I am, dude, I don't need Mexico, just reach out and take me!

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I think Jack is more pissed, more defiant in response to the threat than saddened (YES, I've been to Mexico, is that a problem?) I think he is furious in that moment about that short leash, wanting so much, getting little. This is the first time he stands up to Ennis in this way, demands something, all the other times he backs off completely. And Ennis crumbles from it, devastated by the betrayal, by Jack's unhappiness. Ugh. I like that Ennis gets so possessive though, his heart revealed so completely. Volcanic again.

I agree with all of you.  I see every one of those emotions in that exchange (which covers what, maybe 30 seconds?).  And if I were Jack, even though I was pissed off, I would also have been thinking, "My God, he does love me!"  That's about as much of a declaration of love as you're ever going to get from a man like Ennis. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aceygirl on February 08, 2006, 03:15:02 PM
I think Jack is more pissed, more defiant in response to the threat than saddened (YES, I've been to Mexico, is that a problem?) I think he is furious in that moment about that short leash, wanting so much, getting little. This is the first time he stands up to Ennis in this way, demands something, all the other times he backs off completely. And Ennis crumbles from it, devastated by the betrayal, by Jack's unhappiness. Ugh. I like that Ennis gets so possessive though, his heart revealed so completely. Volcanic again. . .

The "hell yes, I been to Mexico, is there a problem?" also shows Jack's spunk, which is one of the things I love about this character. He will suffer patiently for a while, because he's by nature an easygoing, nice guy. But once you push him too far...whooey. Like with the father-in-law. "Sit down, you ignorant bastard before I kick your ass into next week!" I LOVE it when he says that! (and the rest of the audience always does too, it seems). And when Jack does speak up, it sure startles the recipient into some kind of change, doesn't it?



Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 08, 2006, 03:50:26 PM
Although it's certainly not my favorite line from the short story, I'd like to get the board's take.

There was some open space between what he [Ennis] knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it, you've got to stand it.

So what, specifically, do you think Ennis knew?  That Jack was killed with a tire iron?  If so, then what he tried to believe was the story Lureen told him on the phone.  That seems to be the general consensus on another thread.  But Ennis seems fairly sure that Lureen is lying in that passage.  In any event, once he visits Jack's parents he knows for certain--or at least, that's the impression I got from the book.

What if this final sentence encompases a bit more than just whether or not Jack was murdered?  What if it speaks to Ennis's view on homosexuality in total, or even his relationship with Jack in total?  Perhaps Proulx is saying that Ennis knew what his father taught him was right, as evidenced by Jack's death, and although he tried to believe that what he had with Jack was good and pure, there was simply nothing he could do about it now.  Or, maybe it's the exact oppposite of that.

I'm working on an academic paper to submit for publication, and I'd like to get the board's opinion on this, so feel free to post here or email me at <WMCCLINT@BELLSOUTH.NET>.

Thanks,

Ph.D.2007
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cms on February 08, 2006, 04:09:09 PM
What if this final sentence encompases a bit more than just whether or not Jack was murdered?  What if it speaks to Ennis's view on homosexuality in total.  Perhaps Proulx is saying that Ennis knew what his father taught him was right, as evidenced by Jack's death, and although he tried to believe that what he had with Jack was good and pure, there was simply nothing he could do about it now.  Or, maybe it's the exact oppposite of that.

My take is - "What he knew" was that Jack was killed by the tire iron, which means that Ennis' decisions to protect them from this sort of thing, was for nothing.  How painful would that be to realize?!  "What he tried to believe" was that it was a random accident - takes the blame off him for denying Jack and himself all those years.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: kmich on February 08, 2006, 07:22:25 PM
My take is - "What he knew" was that Jack was killed by the tire iron, which means that Ennis' decisions to protect them from this sort of thing, was for nothing.  How painful would that be to realize?!  "What he tried to believe" was that it was a random accident - takes the blame off him for denying Jack and himself all those years.

See, to me, the accident makes it worse. Ennis denied Jack and himself for years and Jack still died. And the reason he died is that no one was there to turn him over so that he didn't drown in his own blood. Ennis could have been there.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on February 08, 2006, 08:17:06 PM
Ennis could have been there.

Ennis would have been there...

if only.

I think that is part of the driving force behind the "I swear..." at the end.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ToolPackinMama on February 08, 2006, 11:48:40 PM
I swear...

That I will avenge you?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Uclapeterg on February 09, 2006, 12:13:20 AM
Heath's other incredible quote is "Jack-fuckin'-Twist!"  It's not just what he says, it's the way he says it.  The accent, tone and mood were perfect.

I think this line may be Heath's invention b/c it doesn't appear in either the story or the script. Without it, so much would be lost. He says it at least three times, and each time expresses a wealth of emotion: the reunion, a later camp scene (Jack Fuckin Twist got it all figured out), and their final scene together (threatening Jack about Mexico). Do we know where this line originated?

If this was an ad-lib by Heath or at Ang's direction, that's incredible. The happiness literally shines through Ennis when he is saying this. WHAT A PERFORMANCE!!!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Uclapeterg on February 09, 2006, 12:14:28 AM
I also love the "Jack Fuckin' Twist" line.  Feels so authentic.

Am I the only one who gets a little turned on when Ennis threatens Jack over Mexico?  That bit where he shoves Jack is smokin' hot.  I think it's the closest Ennis ever comes to admitting how much he loves Jack, and he's such a stag doing it.  If it had been me standing in front of those mountains instead of Jack, the argument would have ended right then and there with the two of us fuckin' our brains out.

ok, Dan, I'm left speechless.  :o :D
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Uclapeterg on February 09, 2006, 12:18:09 AM
I swear...

That I will avenge you?

Actually, that was my first thought when I went to the movie the first time. A sequel looking more like Kill Bill than anything else.  :D
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: sunspot on February 09, 2006, 01:05:11 AM

I swear...

That I will avenge you?


Naaah.  He looks sad, not angry.

We've seen what Ennis looks like when he's angry, and it doesn't look like that!
 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ToolPackinMama on February 09, 2006, 01:14:41 AM
I swear...

That I will avenge you?

Actually, that was my first thought when I went to the movie the first time. A sequel looking more like Kill Bill than anything else.  :D

YES!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: happycamper on February 09, 2006, 09:08:03 AM
Do you find yourself thinking of quotes from the movie in real-life situations where you can use them? Honestly, I think this is the first film that I have memorized line by line. I used to have friends in Atlanta that could quote Gone With The Wind scene and verse, and now I finally understand!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: waynerman on February 09, 2006, 09:14:44 AM
My partner and I are always asking each other, "Should we go down to the Knife & Fork for dinner?"  :D
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aceygirl on February 09, 2006, 09:58:19 AM
My partner and I are always asking each other, "Should we go down to the Knife & Fork for dinner?"  :D

Gee, why do I think the Knife and Fork is NOT an Asian-cuisine restaurant? LOL. I love Ennis's feeble quotes: "He's not the restaurant type," and "He's from Texas"...."Texans don't drink coffee?!"
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: happycamper on February 09, 2006, 12:45:46 PM
My partner and I are always asking each other, "Should we go down to the Knife & Fork for dinner?"  :D
That's funny! Is there actually one near you, or is it generic for going out to dinner? My partner went to a Knife and Fork for her high school graduation dinner.  ;D
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TexRob on February 09, 2006, 12:55:20 PM
Heath's other incredible quote is "Jack-fuckin'-Twist!"  It's not just what he says, it's the way he says it.  The accent, tone and mood were perfect.

I think this line may be Heath's invention b/c it doesn't appear in either the story or the script. Without it, so much would be lost. He says it at least three times, and each time expresses a wealth of emotion: the reunion, a later camp scene (Jack Fuckin Twist got it all figured out), and their final scene together (threatening Jack about Mexico). Do we know where this line originated?

I think the line was added in the screenwriting.  In interviews, Annie Proulx seems thrilled by the way the short story was fleshed out for the big screen with exactly the right embellishments.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 09, 2006, 02:29:17 PM
My take is - "What he knew" was that Jack was killed by the tire iron, which means that Ennis' decisions to protect them from this sort of thing, was for nothing.  How painful would that be to realize?!  "What he tried to believe" was that it was a random accident - takes the blame off him for denying Jack and himself all those years.

See, to me, the accident makes it worse. Ennis denied Jack and himself for years and Jack still died. And the reason he died is that no one was there to turn him over so that he didn't drown in his own blood. Ennis could have been there.

But it was because Jack was messin' around with Randall or whomever that he was killed.  Don't you think this simply reinforced Ennis's belief that something bad happens if you sleep with the same sex?  I realize the film downplayed this somewhat, but the short story, at least in my opinion, doesn't.  See, usually tragic heroes don't do a great deal of reforming or changing--it's their tragic flaw that results in their downfall.  Nevertheless, the majority of you seem to be telling me that, in the short story, if Ennis had the chance to do it all over again, he would do things very differently.  Is this what you see?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 09, 2006, 02:31:52 PM
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Am I the only one who gets a little turned on when Ennis threatens Jack over Mexico?  That bit where he shoves Jack is smokin' hot.  I think it's the closest Ennis ever comes to admitting how much he loves Jack, and he's such a stag doing it. 

You are SO not alone.

Ph.D.2007
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Jillybean on February 09, 2006, 02:38:25 PM
Ok I am in total agreement with all the previous quotes, but a quote that gets me each time (and for entirely different reasons) is when Jack's Mom says: "You want some coffee dontcha? Piece of cherry cake?" And Ennis takes the coffee but says "I can't eat no cake just now." I NEED to see what this cherry cake looks like! I bet that is some damn good cake!!! And all seven, yes SEVEN, times that I have seen the movie I'm yelling inside "Take the cake Ennis, take the cake!!!" BWAHAAA!   ;D

Also, not a quote, but I crack up each and every time that they cut to the electric knife on Thanksgiving. It is just such a perfect Monroe thing! I didn't see it written in the screenplay so I love whoever came up with that. Just a perfect segue into that scene!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: garyd on February 09, 2006, 03:05:34 PM
PHD, regarding what he knew and what he tried to believe.  I have been wrestling with this for longer than I care to remember, long before the final scene of the movie was shot.  I still go back and forth.  We can look at the thing literally.  What WE know, is what Ms. Proulx chooses to tell us.  During the visit with Jack's parents, she says "so now he knew it had been the tire iron"  So what he knew was tire iron.  Perhaps what he tried to believe was ,as you say, that perhaps it really was an accident that maybe could have been avoided if only he had gone ahead and met Jack in August.  The problem with all of this, of course, is the juxtaposition of this last line in the story (which was inserted at the last moment before it was shipped off to the New Yorker) with the "I swear" line which occurs a paragraph above.   Just how do these two lines/elements relate to one another?  I know we would all like to think that he "swears' that if he had it to do all over again, he would behave differently or at least try and make a life with Jack.  We want him to think that, after all, it sure would not have been more painful than the life he was living as described in the prologue.  I am afraid we are "projecting" our own response here.  Ennis was simply not that philosophical.  So, if we follow this line of logic, we simply do not know what Ennis "swears".  It is between him and Jack.  Does this mean that Ms. Proulx does not know what he swears either?  Seems odd. But so it goes.
I agree that Ennis has not changed by the end of the story and cannot change due to restrictions of the classic tragic hero structure which, I believe, Ms Proulx is employing. What we have to remember, however, is that there is another noble element with a tragic flaw at work here;  the heroic element of a noble society which harbors the tragic flaw of intolerance. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 09, 2006, 03:33:07 PM
I think you're right, Gary.  One of the things I really like about Proulx's short story is that when Ennis hangs up the shirts, he does so out in the open; he doesn't put them into a closet.

I've been contemplating the last sentence of this story for almost ten years now, and it's about to do me in.

Thanks for your input.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Uclapeterg on February 09, 2006, 03:45:17 PM
I think you're right, Gary.  One of the things I really like about Proulx's short story is that when Ennis hangs up the shirts, he does so out in the open; he doesn't put them into a closet.

Well, we never see him close the closet door, do we?

Hmmmm.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 09, 2006, 03:54:30 PM
Actually, I thought we did.  I thought he shut the door and the camera panned to his window.  I may be wrong, though.

Incidentally, does anyone know when the DVD will be officially released?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Uclapeterg on February 09, 2006, 03:56:23 PM
You may be right.  :(
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 09, 2006, 03:58:50 PM
Now you got me to wonderin'. 

Even on this board, I would be embarrassed to admit how many times I've seen this damn film, so you would think that I could remember.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Uclapeterg on February 09, 2006, 04:02:56 PM
I've seen it five times.  :D We see the closet door partially swing back to see the window, but I'm not sure if it ever closes.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 09, 2006, 04:07:08 PM
I just remember having a professor a good while ago who made a huge deal out of the fact that Ennis takes the shirts from a (Jack's) closet, where symbolically Ennis and Jack have been for 20 years, and puts them in open view in his trailer.

I think you're right:  I don't believe we ever really see the door shut.

 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 09, 2006, 04:08:31 PM
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I've seen it five times.

You're such a lightweight. ;)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: garyd on February 09, 2006, 04:09:44 PM
Grin.  Are we beyond obsessed or what?  At some point we are going to deconstruct this thing into dust!  Open door or closed,  Ennis and Jack spend the rest of eternity in the closet.  What a thought.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Uclapeterg on February 09, 2006, 04:17:39 PM
Are we beyond obsessed or what? 

You can't be talking about me??  ;) I personally don't look at the time spent on this board anymore.  ;D
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: garyd on February 09, 2006, 04:18:36 PM
PHD, yeah in the story but not the movie.  Even in the story, they are in open sight in his trailer.  Seriously doubt anyone but Ennis ever ventures into that godsaken hole (at least as described in the story)  The shirts are pretty safe hanging in open view except for the fact that they get the dubious honor of witnessing him urinate in his sink!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Uclapeterg on February 09, 2006, 04:18:46 PM
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I've seen it five times.

You're such a lightweight. ;)

I don't think I can emotionally handle seeing it more than that.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Tory Kennedy on February 09, 2006, 04:52:26 PM
There was some open space between what he [Ennis] knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it, you've got to stand it.

Well PHD, I've thought a great deal about those lines myself and I have a theory that I'm not sure if many support (but if any do please let me know!)

To me I feel quite convinced that what Ennis "knew" was that Jack died in an accident.  I honestly think he "wanted" to believe Jack was murdered.  I know lots of people have said there's no way anyone could WANT their loved one to be murdered, but the way I see it, Jack's murder confirms Ennis's lifelong fear of being intimitate w/ another man.  Since childhood he was afraid, he used societal violence as his excuse for DENYING his love for Jack.  Believing Jack was killed by homophobia would validate this fear and thus validate his 20-year-long choice not to live with Jack.  Had Jack simply died by an accident, then he would have less of a validation for not choosing to live with him, which is only worsened by the terrible loss he feels after Jack dies.  In the movie it seems to suggest more that Jack was murdered, but if you focus purely on the story, I think it comes across (or at least to me) that the only one who thinks it was a murder was Ennis, and that's only because he has to in order to believe he didn't make the worst decision of his life 16 years ago when he said not to live with Jack.  Ennis is obviously heart-broken over Jack's death and, many would argue, that was the point he finally realized just how strongly he loved Jack.  He needs something to assure himself that his decision to deny this immense love was ok.  What better assurance than the reason he stated so many years ago  ("wrong place, wrong time, and we're dead") being substantiated (Jack killed for being gay).  Deep, deep down though, Ennis knows the truth though, and knows the risk wasn't as great as he imagined, but it was too late by that point, and if you can't fix it, you gotta stand it.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: shipwrecked on February 09, 2006, 05:40:42 PM
I think the sentence is a broader statement than being about Jack's death or any specific event.  I think when Ennis looks at his life he knows he has betrayed himself and his love and that his fears have done them both in.  And what he wants to believe is that he's not responsible.  Here is a man who has lost the only love ever in his life.  it was not only the only love, it was a great love, a once in ten lifetimes love.  he couldn't ever acknowledge it, succomb to it, or fight for it.  Because he both knows this and wishes otherwise, there is that open space, hanging there, forever.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: shipwrecked on February 09, 2006, 05:42:31 PM
"I just remember having a professor a good while ago who made a huge deal out of the fact that Ennis takes the shirts from a (Jack's) closet, where symbolically Ennis and Jack have been for 20 years, and puts them in open view in his trailer.

I think you're right:  I don't believe we ever really see the door shut."

But don't forget, we do see it open.  He opens the closet to put his daughter's sweater up on the shelf.  and when he opens the door, that's when we see the shirts and the postcard.  I think he keeps his love in the closet, even tho he opens the door occasionally.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jersey on February 09, 2006, 07:30:51 PM
I've seen it 10 times and Ennis definitly closes the closet door. Sorry. That's when the music swells and I start cryin'.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on February 10, 2006, 05:30:15 AM
In the book, though, the shirts are on a hanger together that is hanging on a nail in the wall.  There is not closet in the short story.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 10, 2006, 07:18:31 AM
Hmmmmmm . . . I'm trying to wrap my brain around that, Tory, but I'm having a hard time.  I do see your point, though.

Keep in mind that my comments here are not about the film but the short story. 

I've gotten to the point where I believe that Ennis's "Jack, I swear" comment has to be in regard to their relationship.  I've heard others, including a professor or two, say things like, "well, couldn't Ennis be saying, 'Jack, I swear I told you that you would end up dead if you weren't careful.'"  In other words, it's a wistful statement on Ennis's part.  Of course, Ennis could be saying, "Jack, I swear, if you'd been faithful to me this wouldn't have happened," which is pretty much the same thing.  As much as I want to say his "swearing" was to the effect that, given the opportunity to do things over, Ennis would have made different choices, I'm not sure I can go there.  Jack's death would have only reinforced Ennis's homophobia.  However, Proulx is very clear that Ennis hangs the shirts in open view in his trailer--not in a closet.  The "swear" line just seem to speak to fidelity, somehow, and I think it's because of the lines that follow it:  "though Jack had never asked him to swear to anything and was himself not the swearing kind."  Proulx seems to be saying that Jack wasn't the type person to swear fidelity under the circumstances of Ennis and Jack's relationship.  But in the "I swear" line, Ennis seems to be swearing an allegiance, as well as love, to Jack.  Honestly, as I type this, I'm coming to the conclusion that it's a bit of all the above.

The last sentence of the short story reads:

There was some open space between what he [Ennis] knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it.

I believe what Ennis knew and what he tried to believe is kind of a catch-all or umbrealla statement.  I do believe it speaks to Jack's death, and I believe Ennis knew that Jack was murdered but tried to believe otherwise.  The statement, "if you can't fix it you've got to stand it" applies to what?  When Ennis uses that line earlier, I think most people assume he's either talking about the situation of the releationship itself--Jack in TX, both of them married with children, etc., but what if this is Proulx's way of addressing intolerance?  If you can't fix man's, sometimes very violent, intolerance, then you have to stand it.  Ennis knew that Jack was murdered, but he tried to believe otherwise, just as he tried to believe that what he had with Jack was good and pure.  There was open space between those two poles, but in the end there was nothing he could do about it.  Ennis couldn't change the circumstances of Jack's death, just as he couldn't change society's intolerance, so he had no choice but to simply stand it.

What do you think?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 10, 2006, 08:24:10 AM
I also love the "Jack Fuckin' Twist" line.  Feels so authentic.

Am I the only one who gets a little turned on when Ennis threatens Jack over Mexico?  That bit where he shoves Jack is smokin' hot.  I think it's the closest Ennis ever comes to admitting how much he loves Jack, and he's such a stag doing it.  If it had been me standing in front of those mountains instead of Jack, the argument would have ended right then and there with the two of us fuckin' our brains out.
 


It’s crazy but I keep thinking about your statement above.  I’m a thirty-seven-year-old normal, fairly bright and well educated guy, who for as long as I can remember has always been attracted to other people’s personalities and intelligence.  Seriously.  The people I’ve had “crushes” on (can a thirty-seven-year-old man have a crush?) were not particularly splendid looking, with the exception of the woman I was engaged to up until December of last year.  All those individuals were, nevertheless, very bright with exceptional personalities. 

Raw lust is, well, a little foreign to me. 

But there’s something about the way Ledger plays Ennis that whacks me out.  He seems so very innocent and inveterately, innately, organically good and kind.  I want to take care of him (among other things).  He breaks my heart.  And I realize that Gyllenhall is really the more classically handsome of the two, in his matinee idol, dreamy dark-haired way, but hell with him.  For me, it is all about Ennis as played by Ledger.  I’ve never had this type reaction before, and it seems especially odd because it’s over a fictional character as played by an actor.

What's even more interesting is that Heath Ledger, as he appears, for instance, in February's G.Q., doesn't do it for me.  'Fraid not.  I need him in the jeans, the hat, sportin' the dirty fingernails and the accent.  Go figure.




Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aceygirl on February 10, 2006, 08:28:39 AM

 

It’s crazy but I keep thinking about your statement above.  I’m a thirty-seven-year-old normal, fairly bright and well educated guy, who for as long as I can remember has always been attracted to other people’s personalities and intelligence.  Seriously.  The people I’ve had “crushes” on (can a thirty-seven-year-old man have a crush?) were not particularly splendid looking, with the exception of the woman I was engaged to up until December of last year.  All those individuals were, nevertheless, very bright with exceptional personalities. 



What? You're not shallow?  ;D

Not that I think there's anything wrong with shallow lust based on appearance only, per se...as long as that ain't the basis for a committed relationship IMO...just complimenting you!

Obviously I don't have ONE single favorite quote...another one that I haven't seen mentioned is "Nice to know you, Ennis del Mar."  And how!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Tory Kennedy on February 10, 2006, 10:21:57 AM
Well PHD, you certainly gave a lot to think about,

About the "I swear" line, I think it was meant to be entirely open-ended, other quotes you can kind of narrow down to at least what you believe was meant by it, but I just see that line as encompassing all points of view, he certainly could have meant a statement of fidelity when he said it, but I also think he meant a lot of different things at the same time.

About your description of the last quote in the story, I entirely see your point.  When the statement "if you can't fix it, you've got to stand it" was made earlier in the story, I think it was pretty clear it was partially a statement about intolerance, and in stating it again at the end, she could have been alluding to that intolerance again.  My only problem with that idea is that I don't feel the story was about intolerance, to me it served mostly as the catalyst to keep the two apart, it was the Montague and Capulet fued for gays.  I think I just like my theory better because it is inkeeping with the theme of love in the story.  I'm a little confused by one thing you said though:

Ennis knew that Jack was murdered, but he tried to believe otherwise, just as he tried to believe that what he had with Jack was good and pure.

Does this suggest that Ennis didn't truly believe what he had with Jack was good and pure?  Are you saying that Ennis feels some amount of intolerance himself?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 10, 2006, 10:26:51 AM
Sure, I think, at least in the short story, that Ennis despised what he was.  I get that impression in the film, too--perhaps even more so than in the written story.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mountain boy on February 10, 2006, 11:25:16 AM
...What do you think?
I agree with you, '007, with the proviso that even though Ennis "knew" Jack was murdered, it remains possible that it was an accident, and Ennis once in a while wonders about it. But I do think in the Proulx text, the strict antecedent of "what he knew" is "now he knew it was the tire iron."

At the same time, all the things Ennis knew and wanted to believe are also resonating - that he could not have or could have lived a happy life with Jack, that Jack really was or was not dead, that he would not or he would make better choices now if he could.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 10, 2006, 11:57:35 AM
Yep, WDJ, I believe you are right.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Cambridge on February 10, 2006, 12:42:33 PM
Sure, I think, at least in the short story, that Ennis despised what he was.  I get that impression in the film, too--perhaps even more so than in the written story.

Do you think he feels that way at the end of the film/story?

Myself I think there's some acceptance - of himself, of their relationship, of the value of love itself - in the "Jack, I swear" line. Maybe it's the Pollyanna in me, but I've been left with the thought that Jack's death, by whatever means, is the event that transforms Ennis from fearful of the ramifications of their love to embracing it - figuratively and literally - through the means of the shirts. Too late to do Jack any good, but maybe not too late for Ennis. Even though I doubt there'd be another Jack, Ennis seems to me, if at times haunted (something the short story leans more towards), more at peace with himself at the end.

Maybe it's the half empty/half full conundrum but I see "you've got to stand it" as life-affirming. Ennis does not like where his life has landed, but it hasn't ended and the memory of Jack is something he'll treasure as long as he lives.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 10, 2006, 02:49:15 PM
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Do you think he feels that way at the end of the film/story?
No, I don't, dammit.  Screw the conventional literary rules of tragedy.  As far as the film goes (and the book, too), I believe there is a sense of acceptance on Ennis's part by the end. 

On top of that, I believe that given the chance to do things over, Ennis would   have done them differently.  In the flim we see evidence of this when he asks his daughter, "does he love you?"  Not "how much does he make, etc., but does he love you?"  This, to me, shows that Ennis has learned, albeit too late, that love is all that matters.

Ennis can't go back and change it, so now he's got to stand it.

 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Cambridge on February 10, 2006, 03:54:13 PM

Ennis has learned, albeit too late, that love is all that matters.

Ennis can't go back and change it, so now he's got to stand it.

 

To me, if there is even a semblance of a "happy ending" that's where it's found: in Ennis's final belated acceptance of their love, himself, etc. Just as Jack's bittersweet coda at their final parting marked his departure (for us, anyway) in his words "let be. let be." "What is, is." Que sera, sera.  Not much of a happy ending, but better than the real situation Proulx refers to in her essay "Getting Movied" - she writes both that Wyoming's is the highest suicide rate in the nation and a majority of them elderly single males AND that she wanted to write a story about rural homophobia. Not much to work with, but clearly she, Ossana, and McMurty made something of it.

So much so that I'm late leaving work on a Friday night to type this. I'm off to Denver early in the morning Saturday ahead of a snowstorm, hopefully able to get back Sunday so I'll either be totally out of touch this weekend (what will I do? life without my BBM fix? What will I do?) or sitting on the floor (near an outlet) somewhere at DFW on the way home with nothing else to do except read and post until the planes start flying.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 10, 2006, 04:09:14 PM
Most of the accepted rules of tragedy deal with catharsis, especially the Aristotelean notion, so I could easily see Ennis regreting his past choices at the end of the film.  In fact,  I think Ennis's failure to make a life with Jack was his hamartia (look it up, but if the definition your source gives you is "tragic flaw," keep looking).

I'll be out of town, too, so best wishes for a safe two days to everyone!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: bluehorse on February 10, 2006, 11:16:25 PM
PhD2007, Funny, I never thought those lines:

There was an open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe. . .

referred to Jack's death. I interpreted them in a broader way about their love, he KNEW that Jack was the love of his life, he TRIED TO BELIEVE a myriad of other things: he wasn't gay, wasn't madly in love with another man etc. etc. I interpreted it as what he knew about himself and he and jack in his heart and gut and what he tried to believe because the society around him dictated it.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on February 11, 2006, 05:52:49 AM
'007,         nice one, wdj  :)

have a safe trip.  When you get back you should check out the Nerd thread...you use big words - they're encouraged over there...

:)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: paulh on February 11, 2006, 07:25:29 AM
"If you can't fix it, you have to stand it."

Story of my life. I've thought about Ennis and Jack many times over the last four or five years (and almost nonstop in  the last couple months), and I can't think of a single thing Ennis did that I wouldn't have done differently if I had been in his boots. Love and fear, balanced on a knife-edge. Wanting to be loved in a world that has disposed of you like yesterday's Pepsi cup, but desperate to survive and willing to repress any part of yourself that would stand in the way. Yep, that's me, sleep-walking through life even as I remember clearly what it was alike to be fully awake and alive many years alive. But I couldn't change it, not then, not now, not ever. I can stand it--most of the time anyway, which is lucky since I haven't had the energy to change anything in a long time..... :(



 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Tory Kennedy on February 11, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
I really love that idea bluehorse, I didn't think of that at all when I read the quote; I saw it only as Ennis's reflection on Jack's death, but it certainly seems plausible, and maybe a little less depessing, to say he was thinking about his and Jack's love.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ehjj on February 11, 2006, 04:42:46 PM
I swear...

That I will avenge you?

"I swear" always makes me think of the oath in a courtroom: "I swear to tell the whole truth..."  So I think maybe Ennis is finally ready to acknowledge the 'truth' of their love, and that's why he has the shirts hanging up, out in the open in the book.

I have 2 fav quotes: 1 from the book: "And he would wake sometimes in grief, sometimes with the old sense of joy and release; the pillow sometimes wet, sometimes the sheets"  because it is such beautiful writing, and also because it does remind you that Ennis wasn't always miserable, but did experience joy, too.

The other quote is from both book and movie: "I wish I knew how to quit you."  I think the wording is such great writing.  If he had just said more colloquially, "I wish I could leave you", it wouldn't have the same power.  This phrasing emphasizes that their love is overwhelmingly powerful, a 'force of nature' as the movie ads say.  Jack doesn't *know* how he could stop seeing Ennis; it's beyond his control.  Although it would be better for both of them to quit each other, and go on with their lives without each other, they can no sooner do that, then you can will a tornado or earthquake to stop.  Love is a force of nature.  Beautiful.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: sandyday on February 11, 2006, 08:10:09 PM
i wrote a long post awhile back on this, and now here's my single fave quote from the story:

"In a disquieting way, everything seemed mixed."   (seems like this is from Ennis' perspective)


ok, if i could have just one more. this isn't really a fave quote, but for some reason it makes me laugh every time i see the movie (i've seen it 5 times now)

"Don't never order soup. Them soup boxes are hard to pack." I don't know why it's so funny, but it is. The way the actor says it I guess. And maybe b/c Ennis doesn't seem like he's really listening cuz he doesn't eat soup, but then later he does. there's so little humor in the film, maybe it's a tension releaser.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Dal on February 11, 2006, 09:00:15 PM
Hi y'all

Well it's not a quote, but a prop and a bzzzzzzzzzzzz sound -- Monroe's wimpie little electric carving knife!!  Cracks me up every time.

It's such a perfect prop for Monroe.  Maybe I shouldn't laugh at him, but jeez.  He's petrified, glued to his chair while the yelling is coming out of the kitchen, then when Ennis storms out finally gets nerve enough to squeak "Al-MA??" -- like he needs pregnant Alma to come and rescue HIM!  Poor Alma.

Dal
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: savadi on February 11, 2006, 10:19:45 PM
The "irreversible fall" line is one of my favorites also. That sentence to me perfectly describes Ennis's conflicting emotions about falling in love with Jack and feeling the pain of their "irreversible" (in his mind) impending separation,  and at the same time wishing not to be in love with a man but is irreversibly, hopelessly in love with one.
I also love these lines from the book, for some reason they makes me much sadder, maybe I read them as foretelling Jack and Ennis's unhappy, unfulfilled lives:
"It would be Jack Twist's second summer on the mountain, Ennis's first. Neither of them was twenty."
"Pair of deuces going nowhere."
"They were no longer young men with all of it before them."

"He'd had his front teeth filed down and capped, said he'd felt no pain, and to finnish the job grew a heavy mustache." This tells me he was in pain because he was living a lie (front teeth filed down and capped, heavy mustache).

"..though Jack had never asked him to swear anything and was himself not the swearing kind." I cried big splatting tears  the first time I read this line, I take "swearing" to mean they've never said the word "love" to each other,  and that it is too late to swear his love to a dead man.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Caroline on February 11, 2006, 10:46:01 PM
Ah, see you found the Thread... (see my post just now in Main....)  ;D ;D

don't worry about it though, love to see your input
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: downloaded1 on February 12, 2006, 08:26:46 PM
My favorite quote :
  "Jack, I swear.............."

leaves so many possibilities
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: happycamper on February 13, 2006, 05:48:10 AM
"...the intensely familiar salty, sweet stink of Jack and with it the cold rush of the mountain."

I am paraphrasing here, but will correct it when I have my book in front of me.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 13, 2006, 06:47:16 AM
Quote
PhD2007, Funny, I never thought those lines: There was an open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe. . .

referred to Jack's death. I interpreted them in a broader way about their love, he KNEW that Jack was the love of his life, he TRIED TO BELIEVE a myriad of other things: he wasn't gay, wasn't madly in love with another man etc. etc. I interpreted it as what he knew about himself and he and jack in his heart and gut and what he tried to believe because the society around him dictated it.

Hi, Bluehorse:

I felt the same way, but when I posed the question to the board, an overhwhelming number of people felt those lines spoke directly to Jack's death.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: PHD2007 on February 13, 2006, 07:15:43 AM
I know I'm probably posting this in the wrong spot, so forgive me in advance, but I want to ask a very quick couple of questions.

In the film, when Jack and Ennis have been told to bring the sheep down and Ennis throws the "dirty" punch, do they come down off the mountain that very same day?  It appears so because Jack is seen taking the tent down.  But once Ennis throws the punch and walks away, we don't see him again until he and Jack are both on horseback, bringing the sheep down, at which point he has on a different shirt.  Did he simply change his bloody one for another, or has a night passed?

Second Question

When Ennis and Alma Jr. are in a bar with Cassie, what song does he play?  Remember?  While Alma and Cassie are talking, Ennis is standing at the jukebox selecting music.  After he does so, he comes back to the table to sit down, but Cassie keeps him on his feet to dance.  What's the song he's played?  Anyone know?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aevkc on February 13, 2006, 08:47:08 AM
They come down from the mountain the same day as the punch is thrown.  Ennis just changes his shirt.  And the song on that Ennis picks is "Sweet Melissa."  Hope that helps!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on February 13, 2006, 08:50:42 AM
Hi y'all

Well it's not a quote, but a prop and a bzzzzzzzzzzzz sound -- Monroe's wimpie little electric carving knife!!  Cracks me up every time.

It's such a perfect prop for Monroe.  Maybe I shouldn't laugh at him, but jeez.  He's petrified, glued to his chair while the yelling is coming out of the kitchen, then when Ennis storms out finally gets nerve enough to squeak "Al-MA??" -- like he needs pregnant Alma to come and rescue HIM!  Poor Alma.

Dal

I love the way the turkey falls limply to the platter so Monroe can put it on the plate...a subtle backstab at monroe's obvious lack of masculinity?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 13, 2006, 09:12:08 AM
I just love Jack's exclamation in the last scene between the two of them, in the middle of the big argument:

"Why does it always have to be these cold, northern places where we meet? Why can't it be more to the South, in a warmer climate?" (I paraphrase)

Of course, later on, fighting about such subjects like warm/heat/South soon turns into the Mexico discussion and the allusions to gay prostitutes, but I think it's so honest on Jack's part that they could at least try one single meeting in, say, Arizona. More human, more comfortable.

Or even Palm Springs (just give it a try, Ennis ;)...)? - well I'm quite aware I'm kidding here.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Harvey on February 13, 2006, 12:46:57 PM
Favorite quote from the story is "Dawn came glassy orange, stained from below by a gelatinous band of pale green". The Mountain is I feel as strong a character in the story as either Jack or Ennis, and in these few words I feel totally connected with it, and can "see" the sun rising
My favorite quote from the movie is when Jack says "Nobody's business but ours" there is just something about the way J.G. delivers that line and the look on his face, I don't know why but it gets to me everytime.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: emily.kane on February 13, 2006, 03:37:07 PM
"yet he is suffused with a sense of pleasure because Jack Twist was in his dream." from the story...
 It's absolutely beautiful, perfect writing beacause it says everything (expresses that devotion, there's shown how he loved him - to dream about someone and want to keep that dream to get Ennis through the awful day(s)) and on the other hand it's (in the literal sense) wonderful introduction, containing a secret - who is Jack? Who is the man he was dreaming about? What is/was their story? And it predicts that it has been a love, and that at this moment it is lost already - just a subject to dream about...
I think in this short quote is hidden everything of their story - great love and passion, that could never be fulfilled, just leaves the pain of the loss and a thankfulness for the few moments they spent together...
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: happycamper on February 17, 2006, 06:11:09 AM
My favorite quote from the movie is when Jack says "Nobody's business but ours" there is just something about the way J.G. delivers that line and the look on his face, I don't know why but it gets to me everytime.
Harvey, I love the way he says it too, not sure if this is what you picked up on, but in this scene and for the rest of the movie until the last scene, Jack lets Ennis call the shots. He is lying there when Ennis walks up and he waits for Ennis to speak first. Then when Ennis says "This is a one shot deal we got going here" I read gratitude and thankfulness in Jack's response. He was worried that Ennis was going to say "last night was a mistake, we're going to pretend it never happened." When Jack agrees that it is "nobody's business but ours" I feel like he just so happy that it is going to continue and wants to reassure Ennis. As it turns out, Ennis makes sure it's nobody's business but theirs by only letting them get together in the middle of nowhere.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: KittyHawk on February 17, 2006, 06:30:05 AM
In the midst of all the sweet, powerful, and poignant quotes you all have listed here, a person has to look for a little humor - just for the sake of a little sanity. One that I chuckle over occasionally isn't exactly a quote. Did anyone notice the small sign on Aguirre's trailer door?

"Trespassers will be shot.
Survivors will be shot again."

A little clue into his character? A little dark humor? A tribute to the set designer, sign painters, and all the crew who did such an amazing job with all the details that we're obsessing over.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: richardL on February 17, 2006, 06:51:58 AM
From the book .. the first reunion kiss ...
"..... and easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths came together ... "
dear god ... how did she write this  ?

 :'(
rich
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Dal on February 17, 2006, 07:39:07 AM

"Trespassers will be shot.
Survivors will be shot again."


Maybe Diana Ossana was responsible for that little detail, when she was producing.  I seem to recall I ran across that sign on a fence in the Texas panhandle, in That Old Ace in the Hole (Poulx' next work after BbM). 

Dal
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: JHL11 on February 17, 2006, 09:11:18 AM
"You girls need a push or sumthin?"

"No"
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Lynn Allan on February 17, 2006, 10:23:10 AM
I found Jack's second line in the movie quite revealing of his character. "Your folks just stop at Ennis?"

He could have just pointedly asked, "What's your last name?"  ... maybe embarrassing, or riling, Ennis by pointed out that in society when one man gives both names, the other is expected to do the same....  but Jack chose a clever, playful way.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Boris on February 17, 2006, 11:00:56 AM
In film: "You may be a sinner, but I haven't had the opportunity" captures so well the dry humor that there is in Ennis. I would have fallen head over heels over him also.

In book: Two quotes, both sad in a way, but so touching. They always make tears in my right (right now, too)

"Later that dozy embrace solified the memory as the single moment of artless, charmed happiness in their separate and difficult lives."

"He pressed his face in fabric and breathed in slowly through his mouth and nose, hoping for the faintest smoke and mountain sageand salty sweet stink of Jake but there was no real scent, only the memory of it, the imagined power of Brokeback Mountain of which nothing was left but what he held in his hands."



Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Rob. on February 17, 2006, 03:14:14 PM
  OK - since everyone is picking the 'beautiful' quotes  ;) - I'll pick the funnier one...

Alma "You know your friend could come inside for a cup of coffee"
Ennis "Oh, he's from Texas"
Alma "Texans don't drink coffee?"

  Rob
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: karen1129 on February 18, 2006, 06:35:42 PM
The truth is, sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it.

Makes me cry every time !
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: downloaded1 on February 18, 2006, 07:14:38 PM
The truth is, sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it.

Makes me cry every time !



Definetely is a heart wrenching line.
EVERYTIME too!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rickpouch on February 19, 2006, 01:46:46 AM
 From the story:

"...yet he is suffused with a sense of pleasure because Jack Twist was in his dream."

also:

"Later, that dozy embrace solidified in his memory as the single moment of artless, charmed happiness in their separate and difficult lives."

From the movie:

"You know, it could be this way. Just like this, always."

also:

"Tell you what...truth is...sometimes I miss you so bad I can hardly stand it..."

Rich (Chicago)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: wollmonster on February 19, 2006, 01:10:09 PM
This is unquestionably my favorite quote:

JACK
(looks at Ennis)
"Tell you what...truth is, sometimes I miss you so bad I can hardly stand it..."



I agree with that. And I of course liked Ennis' "And if you can't fix it you gotta stand it."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: WLAGuy on February 19, 2006, 01:11:05 PM
The one that keeps running through my head is "Never enough time, never enough." 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: wjp58 on February 19, 2006, 01:34:57 PM
Annie line that L&D should have left in:  "...but Jesus H., ain't nothin' like this."

Annie line I'm glad  L&D left out:  "Gun goin' off."

Best line added by L&D:  "Jack fuckin' Twist!"

Least line added by L&D:  "Girls don't fall in love with fun."

All just MHO of course.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cythera4 on February 19, 2006, 05:22:22 PM
Best line added by L&D:  "Jack fuckin' Twist!"

Is this line in the screenplay? I thought Heath might have improvised it.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: sunspot on February 19, 2006, 05:39:57 PM

Best line added by L&D:  "Jack fuckin' Twist!"


As far as I can tell, Larry & Diana didn't add that line - Heath did.
 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Caroline on February 19, 2006, 06:04:32 PM
And how great is that... just an indication of how great an actor he is/was in BBM.... he KNEW the essence of this character... he took him within himself and made Ennis real...
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: CellarDweller115 on February 19, 2006, 08:43:13 PM
Was it ever determined whether or not the line about Jack's harmonica was an ablib?

Ennis:  I thought that mare couldn't throw you.

Jack:  this one got lucky.

Ennis:  If I had been lucky, the fall would've broke that harmonica.  (not exact quote, but you get the idea)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: wjp58 on February 20, 2006, 09:21:47 AM
Now wait a minute...

Heath added the line "Jack fuckin' Twist"?  And reversing the shirts was his idea?  What else was he responsible for?  Did they want him badly enough to give him this kind of control?  Not that I'm complaining.  His choices seem pretty damn good, and as Annie said, he understood Ennis better than she did.

So change my entry to:  "You may be a sinner, but I haven't had the opportunity."

And now you'll tell me Heath added that too.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: aevkc on February 20, 2006, 10:53:15 AM
The harmonica lines and the sinner lines were in the screenplay, so far as I can tell.  But switching the shirts, that was just genius on Heath's part.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Dal on February 20, 2006, 12:14:35 PM
Heath added the line "Jack fuckin' Twist"?  And reversing the shirts was his idea?  What else was he responsible for?  Did they want him badly enough to give him this kind of control?  Not that I'm complaining.  His choices seem pretty damn good, and as Annie said, he understood Ennis better than she did.

Prob'ly not "control" he negotiated before signing on.  More likely:  after shooting began, his deep understanding of the character led him to propose some new things;  Ossana and Lee realized how good Heath's insight was, and went with it.  Haven't heard he was a prima donna -- au contraire, team player.

Dal
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: HazelEyedRaven on February 21, 2006, 12:09:55 AM
Oh, so many good quotes from both the book and the movie, but most are compacted into 2 or 3 consecutive scenes.

I start bawling when Jack says, "Tell you what.  Truth is.....sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."  It took 20 years for him to say that.  The sobbing doesn't stop there because I know that the fight is coming up. 

I start crying again when Ennis realizes Jack has been seeing other men, when he himself has not.  My jaw clenches and I start crying when he confronts Jack with his hurt, jealousy, possession of Jack, the sense of betrayal, the shock.  I just keep on crying when Jack fires back at Ennis who says, "Go ahead." 

As Jack lays it all out, his pain from all the years of Ennis' refusal, he says, "You have no idea how bad it gets," and looks as though he's going to break.  Then I'm all out blubbering when Ennis looks up, crying after Jack says he wishes he knew how to quit him, "Then why don't you?  Just let me be.  It's cuz of you Jack that I'm like this.  I'm nothin'.  I'm nowhere." 

Then the memory of the time on Brokeback,"that dozy embrace solidified in his memory as the single moment of artless, charmed happiness...", I'm 3 tissues deep in trying to stop crying.  How much they've changed, how they can never go back.  That it is all crumbling around them, never to be what it once was.  They missed their chance.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: JHL11 on February 21, 2006, 07:49:54 AM
"Jack Fuckin' Twist" is said two times by Ennis to Jack.

Once in joyful excitement when Jack arrives for their reunion.

Again in hurt, jealousy and anger during thier final scene: "I'm gonna say this one time, Jack Fuckin' Twist, all those things I don't know ...could get you killed if a I come to know them..."

What a brilliant screenplay to have Ennis say the same three words, "Jack Fuckin' Twist" in such heartbreakingly differrent situations.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: happycamper on February 21, 2006, 08:44:05 AM
"Jack Fuckin' Twist" is said two times by Ennis to Jack.
He also says it by the river after Jack suggests that Ennis move to Texas.
Jack: Go ahead and live your miserable life. I was just thinking out loud.
Ennis: You're a real thinker ain't you? (mutters to himself) Jack Fuckin' Twist, got it all figured out.
You're right he does use the nickname in such different contexts, makes me kind of sad the way that his original endearment is used as a put down in this scene, and then in a threat in their last scene together. It is a kick-ass nickname though, don't you think?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: JHL11 on February 21, 2006, 09:15:01 AM
Hi Happycamper. I stand corrected about the number of times Ennis calls Jack "Jack Fuckin' Twist"(hereinafter "JFT").

At first, I didn't like the nickname but i do now. I saw the film again yesterday and the "JFT" lines jumped out at me. As we both point out, it's hearbreaking how the initial endearment gives way to ridicule ("got it all figured out" )and then to the emotional and almost physical violence of the final scene of the two together.

Again, I can't say enough about the screenplay. I'll just marvel at it.
 

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: phlmale on February 21, 2006, 01:44:59 PM
Heath added the line "Jack fuckin' Twist"?  And reversing the shirts was his idea?  What else was he responsible for?  Did they want him badly enough to give him this kind of control?  Not that I'm complaining.  His choices seem pretty damn good, and as Annie said, he understood Ennis better than she did.

Prob'ly not "control" he negotiated before signing on.  More likely:  after shooting began, his deep understanding of the character led him to propose some new things;  Ossana and Lee realized how good Heath's insight was, and went with it.  Haven't heard he was a prima donna -- au contraire, team player.

Dal

Jack F**kin Twist was said 3 times...it was in the screenplay twice...Heath/Ang/Script added it during the initial reunion scene.  Screenplay has the shirt reversal as well..but i think heath's brillance was the physicalization of this role..and that brought this character to life..for Annie Proulx I(as she writes in a commentary) as well as to all of us..he's so consistent from scene to scene with movement and speech and eye gestures
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on February 22, 2006, 06:50:07 AM
Oh, so many good quotes from both the book and the movie, but most are compacted into 2 or 3 consecutive scenes.

I start bawling when Jack says, "Tell you what.  Truth is.....sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."  It took 20 years for him to say that.  The sobbing doesn't stop there because I know that the fight is coming up. 

I start crying again when Ennis realizes Jack has been seeing other men, when he himself has not.  My jaw clenches and I start crying when he confronts Jack with his hurt, jealousy, possession of Jack, the sense of betrayal, the shock.  I just keep on crying when Jack fires back at Ennis who says, "Go ahead." 

As Jack lays it all out, his pain from all the years of Ennis' refusal, he says, "You have no idea how bad it gets," and looks as though he's going to break.  Then I'm all out blubbering when Ennis looks up, crying after Jack says he wishes he knew how to quit him, "Then why don't you?  Just let me be.  It's cuz of you Jack that I'm like this.  I'm nothin'.  I'm nowhere." 

Then the memory of the time on Brokeback,"that dozy embrace solidified in his memory as the single moment of artless, charmed happiness...", I'm 3 tissues deep in trying to stop crying.  How much they've changed, how they can never go back.  That it is all crumbling around them, never to be what it once was.  They missed their chance.

Three tissues deep!?!?!  Is that all[/b]????  I'm bawling now just playing this scene in my head with your descriptions!!! It's probably the most heart-wrenching scene in the movie - and some of the most stellar acting by Heath and Jake IMHO.  It totally encompasses and embraces and parallels my life right now that I can't help but respond at the cellular level.

I agree 100%
*sob*
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cythera4 on February 22, 2006, 08:04:08 AM
I'm bawling now just playing this scene in my head with your descriptions!!! It's probably the most heart-wrenching scene in the movie - and some of the most stellar acting by Heath and Jake IMHO. 


You know how you can tell it's great acting? Because they're surrounded by some of the most breathtaking scenery on the North American continent, and even in the wide shots, the drama and emotion of their interaction matches the scene.

Tale care, ImJakeHesEnnis. Life is too short for such pain....
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Ironwood on February 22, 2006, 08:11:21 AM
There are so many for me and most have been posted already but still...one of my favorits is from the short story.....

(Ennis, riding away from camp up to the sheep after an evening around the camp fire with Jack........)

"......thought he’d never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon."

In combination with other hints...it seems Annie P's way of indicating he was falling in love...but then, I'm just a closet romantic....the line is such an unexpected but eloquent expression of that head over heals feeling you get when you're falling into that wonderful blis of love.....

Only twice in my life have I felt I could paw the white out of the moon...and both times it was wonderful.....I think Ennis had no idea at that point (consciously) just what the import of that feeling was.....just an opinion...only Annie can know. ;)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Ironwood on February 22, 2006, 08:27:32 PM
and another when Jack and Ennis reunite after 4 years and kiss at the bottom of the stairs.........

"......then, and easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths came together........"

It was 4 years for them....it was 24 years for me......but let me tell you when the "right key" was there, all that before had been unnatural, became natural......as if it had always been that way. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: dzier on February 22, 2006, 09:39:42 PM
It is so hard to pick one.... My top lines from the movie...

  Tell you what. Truth is.....sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it

  You know, it could be like this...just like this...always

  Swear to god I didn't know we was goin a get into this again--yeah, I did. Why I'm here. I fuckin knew it. Redlined all the way,   couldn't get here fast enough

  Girls don't fall in love with fun

  JACK NASTY

  Jack fuckin twist (Ennis says to jack on a few occasions, and first words after 4 years)

  Son of a bitch (Jack's words when they hug/see each other for the first time after 4 years)

  Here I am!  (jack's words after the divorce...)

  Whaddya waitin' for cowboy? A matin call? 

David
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: GuyPH on February 24, 2006, 03:06:41 PM
"Jack, I swear --"

I just get chills when I remeber this line. 



Carljn, do you want to share what you think that line meant?  "I swear.." what?  That he's not going to even fall in love with another guy again?  If it is, then I think that's just so tragic.  The ending is just so sad, it made cry after the movie.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: shonuff07 on February 24, 2006, 03:23:06 PM
I love all the above quotes Dave.......& the tears that Ennis holds back while saying " Jack....I swear "
is a Killer

     "  You know, it could be like this....just like this always "      is the only moment in the film when jack gets to relate to Ennis directly what he really wants.......I love it...the warmth of the firelight and the tenderness in Jacks voice..........


It makes, " Jack,.... I swear "   hurt so go when it's spoken


Billy
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jpq716 on February 24, 2006, 03:28:07 PM
I am not sure that we can get a definitive interpretation of "Jack, I swear...," any more than we can get a definitive interpretation of Charles Foster Kane's "Rosebud." It probably means a whole ton of things, simultaneously. "Jack, I'm sorry that I screwed up our lives, and I swear that, if I had the chance to do things over, they would be different." Or "Jack, I swear that I will remember you every single day of my life until the day that I die." Or "Jack, I swear that I never realized that you stole my shirt and protected it, like you protected my life, with your own." Who knows? Nobody. And that's perfect!

But something else has been coming across my mind in connection with this scene. Ennis closes the closet door, and the very last shot that you see in the film is the view through the window by that ratty curtain onto the road, the green fields beyond it, and the towering clouds beyond them. I suddenly remembered that a very similar shot was featured right at the very beginning of the film, and the disturbing thought has crossed my mind that what Ang Lee is trying to suggest with this visual symbolism is that even this sad story is but part of the endless circle of life. Who knows? Perhaps somewhere else another Jack is being introduced to another Ennis at that very moment with --- who knows? --- perhaps a happier outcome in sight.

The bottom line, however, is that we will will never know for certain. And that's just fine, exactly the way that it is!
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Post by: mountain boy on February 24, 2006, 07:14:57 PM
Somewhere else another Jack is being introduced to another Ennis at that very moment with --- who knows? --- perhaps a happier outcome in sight.
:'(    Very touching jpq. Let's hope some will be happier now.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: donnaread on February 25, 2006, 09:50:22 AM
There are sooo many wonderful lines in this movie...but I love it when Ennis says "Jack Fucking Twist"  a little Freudian, don't you think?

That whole little speech of Jack's after Ennis has just told him he'd kill him if he found out he'd been having sex with other men. 

Ennis doesn't appear to mind when Jack sleeps with women, but if he does it with other MEN, I think it makes Ennis crazy...his jealousy in this scene is so obvious.
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Post by: anonyboy on February 25, 2006, 01:00:34 PM
Hey all, another newbie here... great forum by the way!  It's so awesome to see so many others as enraptured with this film as I am!

It's cool to see I wasn't the only one who caught on to the odd intrigue of "Jack fucking Twist."  I think what makes it oddly sexy and memorable is how it's said in its first context... almost as a term of endearment in the first time Ennis sees Jack in four years.  The second two times the line comes up, it's said in frustration, but still recalls that initial affection.

Other favorites (all of which have been said here before:)

Jack: "Jack Twist."
Ennis: "Ennis."
Jack; "Your folks just stop at Ennis?"
Ennis: "Del Mar."
Jack: "Nice to know you, Ennis del Mar."

Ennis: "What?"
Jack: "Friend, that's more words than you've spoken in the last two weeks."

Ennis: "Speak for yourself.  You may be a sinner, but I haven't yet had the opportunity."  (Talk about foreshadowing!)

Jack (softly, barely audible, to Ennis in the tent): "It's all right.  It's all right."

Jack: "You know it could be like this, just like this, always."

Ennis: "If you can't fix it, Jack, you gotta stand it."

Jack: "Truth is, sometimes I miss you so bad I can hardly stand it."

Ennis: "Jack, I swear..."

Hell, I could re-write the whole damn screenplay, the whole movie is so fantastic.  But probably my favorite moment has no dialogue at all: when Ennis discovers the shirts intertwined in Jack's closet, tearing up as he holds them to his face and tries desperately to sniff out any remnant of his unspoken beloved Jack.  Damn scene gets me every time... then just as the audience is about to recover, Ennis swings open that closet door in his trailer with the reversed shirts inside, tearing up again.  The performances are powerful as all hell.
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Post by: Stoney on February 25, 2006, 07:37:38 PM
Hi all!

I have not seen this one mentioned and I don't know why it stuck in my brain...
Early in the film during the time Ennis finally started talking about his past he said:

"One curve in 43 miles and they missed it...."

To me it showed not only saddness at the event of his parents death but a take on
Ennis himself, like irony has been with him his whole life.

I could be wrong. I loved the film and have found myself unable to stop thinking about it.
Great to find this site and all you folks!

Take care,
Stoney
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Post by: downloaded1 on February 25, 2006, 08:53:46 PM
least favorite lines:


"Girls dont fall in love with fun"       just sounds awkward

"All we have is Brokeback Mountain"    way too trite


imho
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jpq716 on February 25, 2006, 09:13:35 PM
Let me put a word in for one of my personal favorites:

Jack to Ennis: “Well, since we’re gonna be workin’ together, I reckon it’s time we start drinkin’ together.”

What a sneaky, cheeky, little monkey with a one-track mind and a carefully thought-out plan from the get-go! And so casually uttered too, as if it were the thought of a moment!  ;D

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Post by: HazelEyedRaven on February 25, 2006, 10:57:50 PM
"Tell you what.  Truth is.....sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."

Gyllenhaal does more than speak 16 words, he spoke 20 years worth of agonizing and made us all wretch with his admission of love, longing, pain, heartache, hunger, need...

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Post by: anonyboy on February 26, 2006, 08:10:05 AM
Jack to Ennis: “Well, since we’re gonna be workin’ together, I reckon it’s time we start drinkin’ together.”

You know, I remember that line too, but when I check the screenplay and the short story, I don't see it... and I specifically listened for it in one of my last viewings of the film and don't recall hearing it either... what am I forgetting?
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Post by: patroclus on February 26, 2006, 08:18:56 AM
Hi all!

I have not seen this one mentioned and I don't know why it stuck in my brain...
Early in the film during the time Ennis finally started talking about his past he said:

"One curve in 43 miles and they missed it...."

To me it showed not only saddness at the event of his parents death but a take on
Ennis himself, like irony has been with him his whole life.

I could be wrong. I loved the film and have found myself unable to stop thinking about it.
Great to find this site and all you folks!

Take care,
Stoney

and Ennis's path in life is laid out straight before him before Brokeback - marry childhood sweetheart Alma - until he hits the curve in his road when he starts up with Jack - and he misses it too, fails to take the bend but goes straight on - to disaster... 'took me a year to figure out I never should a let you out of my sight.... too late then by a long, long while'
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jpq716 on February 26, 2006, 05:56:31 PM
Anonyboy, that's weird! I distinctly remember Jack's words when I was watching the movie in the theater, and while I was preparing the above post, I pulled up the trailer to Brokeback Mountain, which I have saved on my hard disk, so that I could check the words of the quote against the trailer, where they most assuredly do appear. Believe me, Anonyboy, I heard the words. And yes, they are vintage Jack! ;D
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: dzier on February 26, 2006, 07:36:37 PM
After seeing the movie one more time today, I conclude that the following is my favorite line (I had listed 9 previous because it was hard to pick one...)

You know, it could be like this...just like this...always


This line captures what Jack wanted, and also what Ennis may be reflecting back on with the "Jack, I swear..." at the end of the movie...

This was also from my favorite scene when Ennis lifts up the prayer, and you know it because he thought he would never see Jack again, and here he is sitting besdie him on brokeback.
   
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: jpq716 on February 26, 2006, 10:57:57 PM
If you do some research on the short story and the screenplay, sooner or later you are going to discover that Heath Ledger is responsible for two of the most brilliant additions to the story. It was Heath Ledger, not Proulx, McMurtry or Ossana, who coined the phrase, "Jack Fuckin' Twist." which is used so memorably in the course of the film. And it is also Heath Ledger who reverses the shirts at the end of the film. When Ennis first discovers them i Jack's closet, his white shirt is hung within Jack's blue one. But at the end of the film, when the shirts are hanging in Ennis's own closet, Jack's blue shirt is hung within Ennis's white one. The shirts have been reversed, and Heath Ledger is responsible for the brilliant, heart-stabbing innovation in the script. For just as Ennis was within Jack's heart (while Jack was alive), so now Jack is within Ennis's heart (after Jack is gone). Brilliant move on Ledger's part!

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Francis Strand on February 27, 2006, 08:06:49 AM
Ennis: “Thank you, Ma’am, I’ll take a cup a coffee but I can’t eat no cake just now.”

I'm not sure why, it's so very sad, somehow, but subtle.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: anonyboy on February 27, 2006, 08:49:26 AM
Anonyboy, that's weird! I distinctly remember Jack's words when I was watching the movie in the theater, and while I was preparing the above post, I pulled up the trailer to Brokeback Mountain, which I have saved on my hard disk, so that I could check the words of the quote against the trailer, where they most assuredly do appear. Believe me, Anonyboy, I heard the words. And yes, they are vintage Jack! ;D

Oh, I know I heard it before too, I believe you!  A great line, too.  But I could swear checking the screenplay and specifically listening for the line in the movie, it's not there, just in the trailer.   But I could be wrong--- nothing a FIFTH viewing can't fix, right?  :D
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Post by: Scott88 on February 27, 2006, 08:53:08 AM
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Oh, I know I heard it before too, I believe you!  A great line, too.  But I could swear checking the screenplay and specifically listening for the line in the movie, it's not there, just in the trailer.   But I could be wrong--- nothing a FIFTH viewing can't fix, right? 

That line was in the original script, was filmed, and included in the trailer.  (It came right after Jack introduced himself to Ennis.)

But it was cut for the theatrical release.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Poohbunn on March 01, 2006, 02:54:15 PM
"Tell you what.  Truth is.....sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."

That's the line that got me.  By the time Ennis said "Jack, I swear," I was so overcome I didn't even get it until I saw it again.

Debi
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Eniese on March 02, 2006, 01:12:54 PM
I like the part in the book too were Jack and Ennis have their big fight and Jack says:

"Try this one.And I´ll say it just one time.Tell you what we could have had a good life together, a fucking real good life.You wouldn't do it Ennis so what we got now is Brokeback Mountain.Everything build on that.It´s all we got boy [...] You got no fucking idea how bad it gets.[...] Your too much for me Ennis.I wish I knew how to quit you."

I really like it when they use each others first names when they talk. Its something very intimate somehow, I don´t know how to describe it.
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Post by: linnyfafa on March 07, 2006, 06:08:26 PM
There are so many memorable lines from this movie. I've seen it three times and I can't wait for the DVD to come out.The one I keep remembering is when they are lying in bed at the motel and Jack whispers"Ol' Brokeback got us good." Another is when Jack,very upset with Ennis, says "We coulda had us a good life, a fuckin real good life with a place of our own. But you didn't want it, Ennis. So what we got now is Brokeback Mountain. Everything built on that". They were never able to get back to those pure, sweet days on the mountain. So much longing and regret.
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Post by: Chance on March 07, 2006, 08:31:46 PM
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Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on March 09, 2006, 10:59:36 AM
Jack to Ennis: “Well, since we’re gonna be workin’ together, I reckon it’s time we start drinkin’ together.”
When I check the screenplay and the short story, I don't see it... and I specifically listened for it in one of my last viewings of the film and don't recall hearing it either... what am I forgetting?

It's for sure ONLY in the trailer.
I've seen the movie many, many times, and I've never been able to hear it on screen.

In the trailer it's spoken "off voice" before you see the 2 of them walk towards the bar.
There is no comment before or during the walk in the film.

Only if they've put out slightly different versions for different screenings in different countries ! ?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: soylentGreen on March 10, 2006, 01:55:16 AM
favourite? oh, oh no, i cannot decide.  such is the wonder of the dialogue and how it is conveyed in this film that almost every line becomes memorable!  if it were possible to quote silence, i'd snip a shot of that flashback hug as cinematic perfection.
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Post by: Lizandre on March 10, 2006, 08:03:15 AM
"You know, it could be like this, just like this, always."

This sentence... it is Jack more than anything else he could say and does say.

P.S. There are 4 at least things in the trailer not to be found in the movie : the line about drinking together, a brief scene of Ennis and Jack in the same truck, a scene of Jack half naked standing on the wooden bridge near their second camp and a scene where two men (mechanics) staring at something.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Wayne SF on March 10, 2006, 10:54:57 AM
Jack:

"It's alright...."  (...to love a man)
"It's alright...."  (...to kiss a man)
"It's alright...."   (...to be who you are)  parenthesis mine

thank you, Jack
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: KittyHawk on March 10, 2006, 05:29:29 PM
There are so many wonderful lines. Impossible to choose just one.

Do you think we'll ever reach the point of seeing BBM in a light-hearted frame of mind with the whole audience saying all the lines? I can almost do that now — until I get tearful!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: moonbeam on March 10, 2006, 10:16:40 PM
You know, this often changes for me (depending on my mood, I suppose), but I find that I keep going back to this one...

Jack:  "You know, it could be like this...just like this...always."


For me, it's a lyrical statement that encapsulates what this story is about:   love, hope, and the tragedy of missed opportunity. 

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: moonbeam on March 10, 2006, 10:23:57 PM
This one might not be as well known but I caught it the tenth time I read the book... it is when Ennis recieves the postcard that says 'deceased' and he calls Jack's house and as he is calling the book says "

"This would be alright. Jack would answer, had to answer."

Even though he had the postcard that said that Jack was dead, he could not bring himself to accept it and that made me feel so bad. I think Heath Ledger did a good job of conveying the sentiment in the movie.. I am not sure if I am imagining it, but, when he is calling Lureen, it looks like his hand is shaking as she tells him what happened to Jack.  I'm not sure though. This is my first post. I only saw the movie (for the 1st time) 2 weeks ago today. I have seen in a total of 4 times and am counting down the says until it's DVD release. Does anyone else feel like they can't wait another day for it to come out on DVD?  :)
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Post by: Gonzo on March 11, 2006, 05:29:08 PM
This one might not be as well known but I caught it the tenth time I read the book... it is when Ennis recieves the postcard that says 'deceased' and he calls Jack's house and as he is calling the book says "

"This would be alright. Jack would answer, had to answer."

Even though he had the postcard that said that Jack was dead, he could not bring himself to accept it and that made me feel so bad. I think Heath Ledger did a good job of conveying the sentiment in the movie.. I am not sure if I am imagining it, but, when he is calling Lureen, it looks like his hand is shaking as she tells him what happened to Jack.  I'm not sure though. This is my first post. I only saw the movie (for the 1st time) 2 weeks ago today. I have seen in a total of 4 times and am counting down the says until it's DVD release. Does anyone else feel like they can't wait another day for it to come out on DVD?  :)

Did you also notice that as the camera looks over his shoulder he lets out a barely audible groan.  Perhaps the only emotion he could have at the time.
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Post by: Gonzo on March 11, 2006, 05:35:09 PM
My favorite line is:

"They believed themselves invisible..."  The previous line describes the euphoria they felt.  This is for me the nucleus of the story.  It defines their love.  Consider the depth of a love that can cause two people to believe they cannot be seen.  That nothing exists but the two of them.  Pure magic.  Everything else is built around that, like a pearl.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: downloaded1 on March 11, 2006, 05:37:08 PM
This one might not be as well known but I caught it the tenth time I read the book... it is when Ennis recieves the postcard that says 'deceased' and he calls Jack's house and as he is calling the book says "

"This would be alright. Jack would answer, had to answer."

Even though he had the postcard that said that Jack was dead, he could not bring himself to accept it and that made me feel so bad. I think Heath Ledger did a good job of conveying the sentiment in the movie.. I am not sure if I am imagining it, but, when he is calling Lureen, it looks like his hand is shaking as she tells him what happened to Jack.  I'm not sure though. This is my first post. I only saw the movie (for the 1st time) 2 weeks ago today. I have seen in a total of 4 times and am counting down the says until it's DVD release. Does anyone else feel like they can't wait another day for it to come out on DVD?  :)

Did you also notice that as the camera looks over his shoulder he lets out a barely audible groan.  Perhaps the only emotion he could have at the time.


this hurt never stops
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Poohbunn on March 11, 2006, 07:30:54 PM
The more often I see the movie, the more lines I pick up that are worth saving in my head.  "I wish I knew how to quit you" is getting a lot of attention, but there are so many others.  Some of them are funny like "too early in the summer to be sick of beans" or "you may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity."  Then there are the lines Ennis has about Jack's harmonica.

I like "as for our marriage, we could do it over the phone."  Sadly, that fits so many people.

I love "it could be like this, just like this, always," which is a pledge of loyalty as well as a wish for the love to last.  I find myself peppering my daily speech with lines from the movie, that go over the heads of most people because they haven't seen it or only saw it once.  It's like a link to Jack and Ennis somehow and strangely comforting.  Each time I see it, I notice other lines so that now I can't even pick a favorite.  I can say however, that "Jack, I swear," just rips my heart out.   
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mfjdl on March 12, 2006, 02:12:55 AM
"I wish I knew how to quit you."

With each reading of the story, that line is becoming more and more painful for me. There's so much desperation, longing, sadness, anger, shame, admittance and most of all, love in that sentence. I always had to put down the story and allow myself a few minutes of silence, and sometimes tears, in order to compose myself. Why can't Ennis and Jack be together? Why can't they have their happiness? They gravitate to each other and yet, the relationship is really destructive.

Another favorite: "Whta Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared sexless hunger."

If Ennis and Jack were real person I would tell them: "It's not just about the sex, guys. It's not just about the sex."
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Post by: soylentGreen on March 12, 2006, 04:22:12 AM
Another favorite: "Whta Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared sexless hunger."

That sentence is a real killer.  :'(  I think they captured it perfectly on screen, too.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: iver on March 12, 2006, 06:14:22 AM
Reading the story for the umpteenth time, I decided on my favourite quote:

Jesus Christ, quit hammering and get over here. Bedroll`s big enough!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: south_wind on March 12, 2006, 08:55:13 AM
Among my favorites from the story (too many to narrow it down):

the reunion scene when Ennis calls Jack "little darlin'"
and when he tells Jack he never should have let him out of his sight.

I so wish those had been in the movie, but I guess they wouldn't have fit in well with the "movie Ennis" character.  In the story, Ennis is more open, and it's comforting to know that Jack had some inkling of what Ennis felt for him.  In the movie he doesn't know, and that is a real heartbreaker.
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Post by: moonbeam on March 12, 2006, 11:38:13 AM
"I wish I knew how to quit you."

With each reading of the story, that line is becoming more and more painful for me. There's so much desperation, longing, sadness, anger, shame, admittance and most of all, love in that sentence. I always had to put down the story and allow myself a few minutes of silence, and sometimes tears, in order to compose myself. Why can't Ennis and Jack be together? Why can't they have their happiness? They gravitate to each other and yet, the relationship is really destructive.

Another favorite: "Whta Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared sexless hunger."

If Ennis and Jack were real person I would tell them: "It's not just about the sex, guys. It's not just about the sex."

I always feel so sad as well. I sometimes envision alternate ending to the story and it makes me feel so happy for a moment... until I realize that that is not how the story ended. No movie has ever made me feel such intense sadness. It' s so sad at times that I can't cry.. if you know what I mean
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Post by: HazelEyedRaven on March 12, 2006, 12:51:57 PM
Among my favorites from the story (too many to narrow it down):

the reunion scene when Ennis calls Jack "little darlin'"
and when he tells Jack he never should have let him out of his sight.

I so wish those had been in the movie, but I guess they wouldn't have fit in well with the "movie Ennis" character.  In the story, Ennis is more open, and it's comforting to know that Jack had some inkling of what Ennis felt for him.  In the movie he doesn't know, and that is a real heartbreaker.

I'm disappointed, too, that they didn't put that term of endearment in the movie but I think they substituted that half smile and wink that Ennis does only with Jack when he's joking and teasing with him.
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Post by: moonbeam on March 12, 2006, 01:39:27 PM
My favorite line is:

"They believed themselves invisible..."  The previous line describes the euphoria they felt.  This is for me the nucleus of the story.  It defines their love.  Consider the depth of a love that can cause two people to believe they cannot be seen.  That nothing exists but the two of them.  Pure magic.  Everything else is built around that, like a pearl.

Their love story is so incredible. I sometimes ask myself, if they had moved in together, would it have been the same? When you take away the element of the forbidden or, rather, the element of distance, would some of that magic dimmed? I want to say no, but I don't know.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: delb on March 12, 2006, 02:05:47 PM
Good Lord, I'm a 41 yo grown up, I brought up two children (so far) I really am able to manage my life (so far) I mostly consider myself a fortunate person  :-\,  could please someone tell me why I burst into tears everytime I read this story. It's not one special quote, it's every single word Annie Proulx has put together. It's magic!

About the movie, since I unfortunately haven't seen the original version yet (but the german one twice) I don't know the english words but I love most the moment when Ennis collapses after being accused by Jack during their last encounter. Hell, it made me melting in my seat, absorbed by the fabric (dark red) only my shoes left on the floor :'( 

What are the english words? German is: "Oh, Jack, ich halte das nicht mehr aus!"
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Post by: iver on March 12, 2006, 04:50:51 PM
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Their love story is so incredible. I sometimes ask myself, if they had moved in together, would it have been the same? When you take away the element of the forbidden or, rather, the element of distance, would some of that magic dimmed? I want to say no, but I don't know.
I`ve asked myself the same question. But it is the beauty of the story: We`ll never know, because they never got the chance.
Just like it is in real life.
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Post by: HazelEyedRaven on March 12, 2006, 06:56:54 PM
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Their love story is so incredible. I sometimes ask myself, if they had moved in together, would it have been the same? When you take away the element of the forbidden or, rather, the element of distance, would some of that magic dimmed? I want to say no, but I don't know.
I`ve asked myself the same question. But it is the beauty of the story: We`ll never know, because they never got the chance.
Just like it is in real life.
Ditto that.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hpv on March 13, 2006, 02:20:38 AM
From the story:
"The shirt seemed heavy until he saw there was another shirt inside it, the sleeves carefully worked down inside Jack's sleeves. It was his own plaid shirt, lost, he'd thought, long ago in some damn laundry, his dirty shirt, the pocket ripped, buttons missing, stolen by Jack and hidden here inside Jack's own shirt, the pair like two skins, one inside the other, two in one. He pressed his face into the fabric and breathed in slowly through his mouth and nose, hoping for the faintest smoke and mountain sage and salty sweet stink of Jack but there was no real scent, only the memory of it, the imagined power of Brokeback Mountain of which nothing was left but what he held in his hands."
Just heartbraking
the quote -"the pair like two skins"
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Post by: Fire on March 13, 2006, 09:41:50 AM
What made me cry was at the end when Ennis is touching the shirt and says "I swear"........ :'( Oh makes me sad again
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Post by: Dal on March 13, 2006, 01:47:32 PM
From the story:
"The shirt seemed heavy until he saw there was another shirt inside it, the sleeves carefully worked down inside Jack's sleeves. It was his own plaid shirt, lost, he'd thought, long ago in some damn laundry, his dirty shirt, the pocket ripped, buttons missing, stolen by Jack and hidden here inside Jack's own shirt, the pair like two skins, one inside the other, two in one. He pressed his face into the fabric and breathed in slowly through his mouth and nose, hoping for the faintest smoke and mountain sage and salty sweet stink of Jack but there was no real scent, only the memory of it, the imagined power of Brokeback Mountain of which nothing was left but what he held in his hands."
Just heartbraking
the quote -"the pair like two skins"

You know, to this day I cannot read beyond the first three-four words of this paragraph at the "wrong place, wrong time,"  e.g. on a train or in a restaurant or at work, 'cause I will so often start cryin'.  I can't believe it.

Dal
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: sinne on March 14, 2006, 11:58:06 AM
There are so many I love, like when Jack says to Ennis, when his nose is bleeding.... "Ennis... c'mere...c'mere" so gently, I just fall apart.

And Ennis's growl, just before he takes hold of Jack and slams him into the wall in the reunion scene - and later when they're trying to tear themselves apart and Ennis says, "later" and nuzzles Jack.  Ennis says so little - just a grunt here, or mumble there  but "he sure gets his point across", if you know what I mean!  :)

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Lizandre on March 14, 2006, 03:15:26 PM
There is a french expression about love and skin : "avoir quelqu'un dans la peau". To have somebody in (inside) one's skin. Describe an emotional, physical, sensual bond, where lust and desire overwhelm everything else.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Dal on March 14, 2006, 05:16:50 PM
There is a french expression about love and skin : "avoir quelqu'un dans la peau". To have somebody in (inside) one's skin. Describe an emotional, physical, sensual bond, where lust and desire overwhelm everything else.

Here, you have someone "under your skin."

Dal
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: LaPlace on March 15, 2006, 05:19:49 AM
Throughout the short story, the readers get a glimpse of Ennis's thoughts here and there, but we are never told directly what is going on in Jack's mind. Then after the row between Jack and Ennis, out of nowhere, the story takes a nose-dive so deep into Jack's soul it almost makes you feel uneasy, like you're trespassing into private emotion territory.

"What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger.
[…]
Later, that dozy embrace solidified in his memory as the single moment of artless, charmed happiness in their separate and difficult lives Nothing marred it, even the knowledge that Ennis would not then embrace him face to face because he did not want to see nor feel that it was Jack he held. And maybe, he thought, they'd never got much farther than that. Let be, let be."

That foray into Jack's soul is so sad, and real and beautiful. His bold stare into the sad truth of the dozy embrace. His quiet, loving acceptance of it.

And the very next paragraph (albeit after a triple space) reads:

"Ennis didn't know about the accident for months until his postcard to Jack saying that November still looked like the first chance came back stamped DECEASED."

I read the book before I saw the film. At this point I stopped breathing for a moment.
There's so much to say about the dozy embrace (including the part I omitted) and this startling, punch-in-the-gut, transition. Can't fit in one post. I guess that white space before "Ennis didn't know…" would be my quote.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Anouska on March 16, 2006, 10:59:25 AM
Everything that everyone above has mentioned.   

And for some reason I really love the line Ennis says about the only travelling he's done "being around the coffee pot looking for the spout" (paraphrase, I don't have the book on me  :)  )   It just completely encapsulates Ennis's lifelong predicament of being imprisoned in himself, as well as being a great statement about the human condition ... incidentally, Ennis begins finally to break his chains when he agrees to go to Alma Jnr's wedding and you *see* him deciding to reverse his automatic habit of saying 'no'.

What I love, love, love about this film is that its lead players, intellectually sophisticated as they obviously are, don't (can't) even *know* yet how good they and it are - they're only 25 and haven't had to dwell overmuch on roads not travelled, yet.  Really astonishing. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: franck2000 on March 16, 2006, 04:44:16 PM
below....
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Post by: HazelEyedRaven on March 16, 2006, 07:45:13 PM
below....
me, too....

When I first heard Jack say this, I didn't expect him to say it.  I thought he was going to say something I didn't want to hear especially given it was the tail end of his admission about cheating with a ranch foreman's wife and since we saw Randall making a pass at Jack.

But he said this instead which made my heart leap and break all at the same time.  He says it with sooooo much longing and truthfulness.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: downloaded1 on March 16, 2006, 07:48:10 PM
below....
me, too....

When I first heard Jack say this, I didn't expect him to say it.  I thought he was going to say something I didn't want to hear especially given it was the tail end of his admission about cheating with a ranch foreman's wife and since we saw Randall making a pass at Jack.

But he said this instead which made my heart leap and break all at the same time.  He says it with sooooo much longing and truthfulness.


breaks my heart
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Caroline on March 16, 2006, 10:08:01 PM
What are the english words? German is: "Oh, Jack, ich halte das nicht mehr aus!"

The words in English, Delb, are:

Oh, Jack, I can't stand it anymore..

It is especially poignant, because for twenty years, Ennis told Jack, "If you can't fix it, you got to stand it"... He finally reached the point where he recognized that he could not stand it anymore, he SO desperately wanted to be with Jack and recognized that fact that he needed to be with Jack. The devastating part of that scene, is that this is the last time that they were together, Jack is dead the next time that Ennis wants to be with him.. etc etc etc. :'(

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: VICKI on March 17, 2006, 09:00:39 AM
I absolutely love the moment where Ennis and Jack are by the river and Ennis is looking up at the stars.  He looks peaceful, happy.  When Jack asks if theres anyhting interesting up there in heaven, Ennis replies that he was just sayin a prayer of thanks.  "For what?", asks Jack and Ennis says for him forgetting to bring his harmonica.  Now this only caught me after I had seen the film, for now I know that it was a moment tinged with sadness.  Ennis was really thankful for Jack, someone he loved so completely, he could not understand it.  Now it always makes me sad.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pauline on March 17, 2006, 10:34:31 AM
What more needs to be said about this movie.  Never in my life have I been so moved by a story that is so true.  A love that can never be simply because of societies rules and what we all do to conform to them.  From craddle to grave most of us conform just to get through life the best we can. It happens in this movie, remember after the divorce and Jack drives up with the horn sounding and jumps out of the truck and after the hug he says, "Well, Here I am! He has been waiting for years for this moment and he is shut down again, by fear of society and by a man who is not willing to take a chance.
  This one line really does say it all.  Here I am, take me I am willing to risk it all for you and our love.  This broke my heart along with Jack driving away crying while the song "A Love That Will Never Grow Old" played on the radio. What a movie!!  I cannot get enough of it.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Carissa on March 17, 2006, 10:52:01 PM
From the story, the second to last sentence especially the latter half.

And he would wake sometimes in grief, sometimes with the old sense of joy and release; the pillow sometimes wet, sometimes the sheets.

It just gives me chills that this is what Ennis lives now, sometimes sadness for what he doesn't have and happiness for what he did. 


From the movie, I love the way Jake says,

You know, it could be this way.  Just like this, always.

Such tenderness, hope, and longing.  He nailed that line.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Caroline on March 17, 2006, 11:16:36 PM
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Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pauline on March 18, 2006, 12:23:37 AM
This will be my second posting and as I read each and ever one of your postings today I feel that I  need to add a little more information about the time in which this movie was taking place, 1963 in Wyoming. I was born in northern Wyoming and in 1963 I was a senior in this small northern town and I was gay. No one knew or would ever know.  I conformed to everyones rules and laws.  I dated and fell in love and played the role of your average man, however, I was not happy or even close to really being myself.  But I was like everyone else in this northern town and dare I say Wyoming. You simply were not allowed to be gay. And the fear of being discovered was, as stated in the movie. deadly.  You could not "fix it".  You were expected to be tough, you were never weak and you believed in a God. And you worked doing anything simply to prove that you were a man so that you could support a  family. You had to have a family.  If not there was something wrong with you.  Plus you kept your feelings to yourself,  you never cried and you did what you were told.    This was Wyoming.  This sounds like Ennis  doesn't it?   Wyoming was nailed right on the head in this movie, it was all true right down to the electric carving knife.   
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: conny on March 18, 2006, 04:36:20 AM
for me it is defenatly:
If you cant fix it,you gotta stand it
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pauline on March 18, 2006, 07:02:50 AM
I must be getting old, I forgot to say in my last posting that in Wyoming you did control this  life style and being alone much of the time, by excess drinking and smoking.  And if you were lucky enough to find a "friend" you did get as far away from people as you could so that there was no change of getting caught.  You did drive to the middle of no where just to have the sex.  It was the only place you were safe and you could be yourself:  Just like the movie. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rnmina on March 18, 2006, 11:32:14 AM
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I got a say this to you one time, Jack, and I ain’t foolin. What I don’t know,” said Ennis, “all them things I don’t know could get you killed if I should come to know them.”

This scene from the movie is burned in my brain. The above quote is from the  story I don't have a script. Ennis shows his  passionate, intense, possessive love for Jake right then when he  threatened his life. Ennis can sit by the fire  and laugh and talk with Jack about his  affair with a neighbor's wife, but  can then tell him the next morning that he will kill him if hefinds out that he is  with another man...powerful emotions from Ennis.

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I'm sick of beans.


 This small quote  near the beginning of the film demonstrated  to me early in the film that  Ennis already cared very much  about Jack, his comfort and his  happiness on BBM. This may be TMI but deeds are worth more so much more than words. My  ex-hubby bringing me a new dish when I wanted something different to eat or  making me comfortable when I whined about my situation, spoke volumes to me of his love...and so it is with Ennis and Jack. In so many instances Ennis thought of Jake and loved him  so much that  he had to to try and please him...no words  from Ennis Del Mar,  just beautiful thoughtful deeds. Now  can  sit here cry some more...da*n it ;)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rnmina on March 18, 2006, 11:48:14 AM
Let me put a word in for one of my personal favorites:

Jack to Ennis: “Well, since we’re gonna be workin’ together, I reckon it’s time we start drinkin’ together.”

What a sneaky, cheeky, little monkey with a one-track mind and a carefully thought-out plan from the get-go! And so casually uttered too, as if it were the thought of a moment!  ;D



This is also one of my favorite scenes. Jack is a go getter...like myself ;) and I love him  even more for that.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Dal on March 18, 2006, 03:12:51 PM
[...]I was born in northern Wyoming and in 1963 I was a senior in this small northern town and I was gay. No one knew or would ever know.  I conformed to everyones rules and laws.  I dated and fell in love and played the role of your average man, however, I was not happy or even close to really being myself.  But I was like everyone else in this northern town and dare I say Wyoming. You simply were not allowed to be gay. And the fear of being discovered was, as stated in the movie. deadly.  You could not "fix it".  You were expected to be tough, you were never weak and you believed in a God. And you worked doing anything simply to prove that you were a man so that you could support a  family. You had to have a family.  If not there was something wrong with you.  Plus you kept your feelings to yourself,  you never cried and you did what you were told.    This was Wyoming. [...]  

Welcome.  Very interesting.  I'm a Texan, only a few years younger than the guys in "Brokeback".  Knowing Texas, and knowing Proulx is from Wyo, I thought Brokeback was probably pretty accurate.  We have a few Wyos here;  you may be the only one within a couple years of Jack and Ennis' age!

Here's a question for you.  Mexico.  What could "Mexico" have meant in an illicit context, to Ennis in 1983?  In other words, was it famous among straight folk in Wyo as a place for gay sex, or vice in general?  It kinda makes sense to think of it that way if you're in Childress Tx, but how about in Wyoming?

I guess this oughta be continued on another thread, if only I could think which one....

Dal 

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: moonbeam on March 18, 2006, 04:12:56 PM
Quote
I got a say this to you one time, Jack, and I ain’t foolin. What I don’t know,” said Ennis, “all them things I don’t know could get you killed if I should come to know them.”

This scene from the movie is burned in my brain. The above quote is from the  story I don't have a script. Ennis shows his  passionate, intense, possessive love for Jake right then when he  threatened his life. Ennis can sit by the fire  and laugh and talk with Jack about his  affair with a neighbor's wife, but  can then tell him the next morning that he will kill him if hefinds out that he is  with another man...powerful emotions from Ennis.

I know! I love when Ennis gets all possesive with Jack! It is always amazing in the film when Ennis's guard breaks down and we see the incredibly powerful emotions that he cannot express most of the time. A lot of people might think that Ennis was a man didn't feel emotion.. but I think he felt emotions so intensely that he was unable to even articulate how he felt.. there were no words strong enough to express his emotions... this is one of the few times we get to see his emotions break through and it is heart warming... you know what? I DO know that Jack and Ennis aren't 'real' people but that does not stop me from saying to myself.. 'jack and ennis will be together again one day!' and really believing it!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pauline on March 18, 2006, 05:57:08 PM
Hello Dal, my "friend" from Texas.  The text in the movie about Mexico between Ennis  and Jack was dead on again.  Whatever you wanted you could find it in Mexico without any problems.  We would talk about going to Mexico for many different reasons, however, it was only the distance that really kept us from doing so; of course I wanted the sex .  We heard that the men in Mexico were the best, for women and men. Plus Mexico was more open about sex then the US.  It would have been a dream come true back then.  Like Jack the sexual needs would have been taken care of without any involvement. You had to answer to no one but yourself.   
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Dal on March 19, 2006, 10:20:42 AM
[...]We heard that the men in Mexico were the best, for women and men. Plus Mexico was more open about sex then the US.  It would have been a dream come true back then.  Like Jack the sexual needs would have been taken care of without any involvement. You had to answer to no one but yourself.   

Well, my my my!  Even as far north as '80s Wyoming, Ennis would have an idea of "Mexico" and what might be available there.      Thanks for telling me that.  There had been some discussion of this little point (somewhere) on the forum in the past.

Dal
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Wayne SF on March 19, 2006, 11:11:48 PM
Don't Got Nothin'...

Don't Need Nothin'.

Ennis to Alma Jr.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: boy from oz on March 20, 2006, 01:05:04 AM
Hi boy from here, my favorite quotes that make me laugh are the following

Ennis: "My dad was a fine roper. didn't rodeo much, thought rodeo cowboys are all fuck ups"
Jack: "the hell they are". (jack gets up and pretends to ride the bull) "Yee-haw! I'M spurrin his guts out!, wavin to the girls in the stands! He's kickin" to high heavens,but he can't dashboard me! No way! Yee-haw!" (then crashes into the saddles etc)

that scene cracks me up with laughter.

On the serious, moving side I would have to say the flashback when Jack (younger at 19, when they were first on Brokeback Mountain) is almost asleep on his feet by the fire when Ennis approaches him from behind, puts his arm around him and gentle rocks him back and forward.

Ennis say to Jack: "Come on now, you're sleepin' on your feet like a horse. My mamma use to say that to me when i was little... and sing to me...(Ennis sings a low childhood song to Jack from some long-ago memory)... I got to go... (Jack nods) see you in the morning", (Jack turns to watch Ennis ride off).

These words that Ennis says to Jack are said with such warmth and tenderness. (Ennis way of telling Jack he loves him I think).

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pauline on March 20, 2006, 03:19:58 PM
I just read in one reply that Jake and Ennis were not real people, I think it was reply #398, but the beauty of this movie is that they are real people.  It's everyone of us who has walked down that lonely road trying to find that person who will love us for what we are and nothing more.  I keep remembering from the movie the number of times Jake kept repeating to Ennis, "it's ok, it's ok".  Ennis's fear was stronger then Jake's love.  How lucky we all are to have had this movie and short story. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: phlmale on March 20, 2006, 04:38:09 PM
My favorite from the short story:

Ennis, riding against the wind back to the sheep in the treacherous, drunken light, thought he'd never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon.

i love, love, love this line..warms my heart..I always think of it at the point in the movie when Ennis actually cracks a big smile, chatting and drinking with Jack
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Post by: levans645 on March 21, 2006, 08:01:34 AM
Don't Got Nothin'...

Don't Need Nothin'.

Ennis to Alma Jr.
good quote.  and the "Don't Got Nothin'..." quote isn't talking about material things.  This movie is more subtle than anything I've come across.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on March 21, 2006, 08:04:39 AM
Hi boy from here, my favorite quotes that make me laugh are the following

Ennis: "My dad was a fine roper. didn't rodeo much, thought rodeo cowboys are all fuck ups"
Jack: "the hell they are". (jack gets up and pretends to ride the bull) "Yee-haw! I'M spurrin his guts out!, wavin to the girls in the stands! He's kickin" to high heavens,but he can't dashboard me! No way! Yee-haw!" (then crashes into the saddles etc)

that scene cracks me up with laughter.

yes, and the little look that Ennis gives Jack after the "fuck ups" comment.  LOL, he knew it was a dig and was loving every minute of it.

btw, you forgot to add:

Ennis: "I think my dad was right"
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Post by: Ginevra on March 21, 2006, 08:12:12 AM
My fav quote from the short story

"And he would wake sometimes in grief, sometimes with the old sense of joy and release; the pillow sometimes wet, sometimes the sheets.
There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it".
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on March 21, 2006, 08:15:30 AM
My fav quote from the short story

"There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it".
I've had discussions with friends about the meaning of "what he knew" and the meaning of "what he tried to believe" and I'm curious what people here think.  What is Annie trying to convey here?
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Post by: Ginevra on March 21, 2006, 09:00:56 AM
I've had discussions with friends about the meaning of "what he knew" and the meaning of "what he tried to believe" and I'm curious what people here think.  What is Annie trying to convey here?

This is again left to our imagination and sensitivity. I think Ennis knew his and Jack's life could be different if only he had defeated his fears. He maybe was blaming himself here and feeling guilty for Jack's death. Sometimes, for his own survival and mental sanity, he tried to believe he did the right thing and Jack's death proved it, that  living openly his homosexuality Jack was bound to die. Quite a puzzling sentence, indeed.

Again, it's up to us to fill in the blank spaces.
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Post by: Supergirl on March 21, 2006, 01:39:16 PM
I think it suggests that ennis knew that his life with Jack would, in the most likelihood never have worked, and he tried to belive that he was better off not to be with Jack beacuse of this. I think Annie puts "tried to believe" because deep in his heart, Ennis knows that even though it would have been difficult, a life with Jack would also have been wonderful and he is absolutely crushed that he gave in to to his fear.

hope that makes sense and that i didn't ramble too much.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: delb on March 22, 2006, 02:32:03 PM
I think it suggests that ennis knew that his life with Jack would, in the most likelihood never have worked, and he tried to belive that he was better off not to be with Jack beacuse of this. I think Annie puts "tried to believe" because deep in his heart, Ennis knows that even though it would have been difficult, a life with Jack would also have been wonderful and he is absolutely crushed that he gave in to to his fear.

hope that makes sense and that i didn't ramble too much.

Supergirl, that makes perfect sense to me. I'd say that "tried to believe" also gives us an idea of the outlook that Ennis has for his own life after Jacks' death. Trying to believe in what could have been may turn into trying to believe that he still has the chance to find some kind of happiness. He seems so strong to me at the end of the movie, as if he knows how to go on. Left me completely devastated though.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on March 22, 2006, 02:53:09 PM
there's some denial insinuated in the statement:

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There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe

if so, what is Ennis trying to deny is true?  What truth is he trying to hide from himself?  What's he trying to push out of his mind?

everything I've come up with myself or heard from other people just doesn't make sense, or have that ring of truth to it.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: HazelEyedRaven on March 22, 2006, 09:13:14 PM
there's some denial insinuated in the statement:

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There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe

if so, what is Ennis trying to deny is true?  What truth is he trying to hide from himself?  What's he trying to push out of his mind?

everything I've come up with myself or heard from other people just doesn't make sense, or have that ring of truth to it.

what is Ennis trying to deny is true?
- that he was homosexual
- that he loved a man
- that Jack was the only person he ever loved
- that Jack loved him equally as much
- that perhaps his fears ultimately kept him apart from the one thing he ever really wanted in life
- that he was responsible for pushing Jack away from him to other men
- that he'd been living a lie; the lie was the marriage when the truth was with Jack

What truth is he trying to hide from himself?
- he's trying to hide from himself; that is, what is truly in his heart which really is inescapable because that truth always lies within you and as you know, you can't get away from yourself or at least not successfully for a great length of time (as was the case with Ennis)

What's he trying to push out of his mind?
- that his worst fear may have come true (Jack's possibly violent death)
- that his worst fear may NOT have come true (and therefore he missed his opportunity at happiness)
- all that he could have had
- all that he gave up (Jack) for succumbing to his own fears
- that it all slipped out of his hands at about the time that he was starting to move (albeit glacially) toward Jack
- that if he had acted differently, Jack might still be alive
- basically:  coulda, shoulda, woulda.  These 3 elements torment and plague all of us when someone who we love dearly dies.

This just off the top of my head.  I'm sure there are others who can elaborate and articulate more than I or perhaps will even disagree with me.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Ironwood on March 23, 2006, 10:32:16 AM
My fav is...: After the “High time” camp dinner one evening......

“Ennis....thought he’d never had such a good time, he felt he could paw the white out of the moon.” 

To me its a wonderful description of that feeling one gets when "falling in love"....and he didnt even "know" it.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: BayCityJohn on March 24, 2006, 07:40:48 PM
"Whut"
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Ironwood on March 24, 2006, 10:30:13 PM
"Whut"

?? ???
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Supergirl on March 25, 2006, 02:01:43 AM
"Whut"

?? ???

I love this "whut", as Ennis asks Jacks why he's smiling after speaking 'the most i've spoke in a year'.
It is the opening up of Jack's playful nature, and is the precursor to Ennis' fabulous laugh as Jack pretends to rodeo. It is this "whut" that really sets thier relationship in motion as far as I'm concerned, as it shows both boys have started to relax and enjoy each other's company.

And the key to this scenes beauty is Ennis' closed mouth as he speaks, highlighting his vulnerability and fear to speak out.

A stand-out scene.
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Post by: Ironwood on March 25, 2006, 06:27:58 AM
"Whut"

?? ???

silly me.....thanks for the explaination......suppose it was just to late and the tylanol PM was hitting ;D....like you say, a lot turned on that one wonderfully spoken word......Ledger did it so well.
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Post by: pauline on March 25, 2006, 08:33:59 PM
"you don't know how bad it gets" But the true is Ennis did know how bad it was,  he just couldn't tell Jack. The demons just wouldn't let him go.  However, it still is a great line and said with such longing. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: HazelEyedRaven on March 26, 2006, 10:54:35 AM
"you don't know how bad it gets" But the true is Ennis did know how bad it was,  he just couldn't tell Jack. The demons just wouldn't let him go.  However, it still is a great line and said with such longing. 

Gyllenhaal does such a GREAT job in that scene.  My heart just breaks for him both there and the night before when he makes his admission (see my tag line).  That scene in the parking area is the tipping point for me during their last time together.  I just start bawling.  He expresses it with much pain, with tears, anguish, longing and a sense of, "Don't you get it, Ennis?!?  It's killing me to be apart from you because I love you."  Just to think of it hurts. 

I don't know about others, but I've had those experiences with missing someone sooooo much that it's like a big whole in the universe, your soul and your heart but you can't do anything about it.  That is, you can't make the OTHER person help you fix it.

The irony of this scene is that both Jack and Ennis think the other doesn't know how bad it is for each of them.  But that is what finally comes out (rises up around them) in that scene.  There understanding of each other's pain and the subsequent embrace of Ennis breaking down and the memory of the embrace 20 years before. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: imbbmhooked on March 26, 2006, 05:35:40 PM
This is unquestionably my favorite quote:

JACK
(looks at Ennis)
"Tell you what...truth is, sometimes I miss you so bad I can hardly stand it..."

How often I've had this same line as a thought in my head and was unable to speak out to someone I really cared for.
I envied Jack's ability to express himself when he really had to.

Agreed.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pauline on March 26, 2006, 07:52:07 PM
I know I keep repeating myself from time to time, but when we talk about the best lines in this movie it is so difficult because there are so many.  When I think about them I'm just stunned because the actors are so young and the lines they deliver are so believable and honest.  I've never seen anything quite like this before. Is it any wonder that so many people are identifying with this movie.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: moonbeam on March 26, 2006, 08:57:15 PM
[I don't know about others, but I've had those experiences with missing someone sooooo much that it's like a big whole in the universe, your soul and your heart but you can't do anything about it.  That is, you can't make the OTHER person help you fix it.

omg, I have felt that way too. I have missed someone so much I literally had a hard time breathing. All sad songs remind you of them.. all happy songs remind you of them. You can't even cry sometimes, it hurts sooo bad. Talking to them is both a joy and a torment. I can't imagine living that way for 20 years. It would kill me. I don't know how Jack and Ennis did it... I can't fathom that kind of pain over such a long period of time... I just hope that the joy they experienced while together was so bright and so incredible that it made up, in some part, for that immense pain they felt at seperation... :-\
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: clo on March 27, 2006, 05:34:42 PM
haven't got the resources in front of me to check the exact wording (I'm at work--bad girl), but I love the way Ennis describes to his girls his --what was it? three second--ride in the rodeo, when he just 'flew through the air'. I love the humour in his face and the love for his kids, same humour and love he sometimes feels safe enough to show Jack.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Jay63 on March 27, 2006, 07:04:04 PM
there's some denial insinuated in the statement:

Quote
There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe

if so, what is Ennis trying to deny is true?  What truth is he trying to hide from himself?  What's he trying to push out of his mind?

everything I've come up with myself or heard from other people just doesn't make sense, or have that ring of truth to it.

what is Ennis trying to deny is true?
- that he was homosexual
- that he loved a man
- that Jack was the only person he ever loved
- that Jack loved him equally as much
- that perhaps his fears ultimately kept him apart from the one thing he ever really wanted in life
- that he was responsible for pushing Jack away from him to other men
- that he'd been living a lie; the lie was the marriage when the truth was with Jack

What truth is he trying to hide from himself?
- he's trying to hide from himself; that is, what is truly in his heart which really is inescapable because that truth always lies within you and as you know, you can't get away from yourself or at least not successfully for a great length of time (as was the case with Ennis)

What's he trying to push out of his mind?
- that his worst fear may have come true (Jack's possibly violent death)
- that his worst fear may NOT have come true (and therefore he missed his opportunity at happiness)
- all that he could have had
- all that he gave up (Jack) for succumbing to his own fears
- that it all slipped out of his hands at about the time that he was starting to move (albeit glacially) toward Jack
- that if he had acted differently, Jack might still be alive
- basically:  coulda, shoulda, woulda.  These 3 elements torment and plague all of us when someone who we love dearly dies.

This just off the top of my head.  I'm sure there are others who can elaborate and articulate more than I or perhaps will even disagree with me.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: moonbeam on March 27, 2006, 09:02:37 PM
My new favorite quote is when Jack and Ennis are riding back from seperating the sheep and Jack is playing his harmonica and Ennis says something like "you'll scare the sheep away if you don't quiet down now.." and then he smiles at him... my gosh, that smile... I love when Ennis 'jokes' with Jack.. we know that he is a serious and quiet man.. but he so obviously loves being with Jack (and not just in the tent  ;)) he loves him so much that he is unable to contain his joy when around Jack and expresses it through that shy and sweet smile and his akward joking.. awww.... why couldn't they have just stayed in that moment forever?  :'(
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Jenny on March 27, 2006, 09:32:12 PM
Hands down, in the story, it's that beautiful last paragraph: "There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it."  I get chills just typing it.  Favorite might not be exactly the right word, though :).  It makes me achingly sad.

In the movie, I think it's Jack saying: "Swear to God I didn't know we was going to get into this again. (pause)  Hell yes, I did.  Red-lined it all the way, couldn't get here fast enough."  The way Jake says that line makes me smile, always.

I also get a kick out of the way he says:  "Am pretty good with a can opener, though."  He has this little smile, and all I can think is : "Oh yeah, Jack, you can certainly open things up with the best of them!"
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Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: JackFuckingTwist on March 30, 2006, 04:07:18 AM
There are so many memorable quotes in both the story and movie.

Ennis: "I'm nothin, I'm nowhere ... It's because of you that I'm like this!" ,
 
Jack: "Sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it ... "

Ennis (writing): "You bet"

From the short story:

"Ennis, riding against the wind back to the sheep in the treacherous, drunken light, thought he'd never had such a good time, felt he could paw the white out of the moon."

"There were only the two of them on the mountain flying in the euphoric, bitter air, looking down on the hawk's back and the crawling lights of vehicles on the plain below, suspended above ordinary affairs and distant from tame ranch dogs barking in the dark hours. "

"His shaking hand grazed Ennis's hand, electrical current snapped
between them."

Aah there are far too many to sum up here,. Brokeback got us good!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Ironwood on March 30, 2006, 09:11:09 PM
Probably the idea has been on here before...and I don't have my screenplay with me at the moment to check the wording.....but the exchange between the two when Ennis returns to camp after the bear incident and Jack talks about killing a sheep...Ennis says he wont do that and will "stick with beans"...and Jack immediately retorts..."Well I won't!"...

I have no idea what Annie meant for sure...but my take is that Ennis would let his life go on with no risks or changes and had it not been for Jack's actions, nothing would have happened sexually between them.  Jack wasn't willing to stick with the "diet" perscribed by society.....he was going to do it his way.  And please..and that's not meant to say a thing about the "gay, not gay" debate in regard to either of them.....I just like those lines.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Wozneck on March 31, 2006, 08:08:16 AM
What broke my heart (  I didn't read all your stories, so someone mentioned it maybe ), was a moment  at the end of the film that Alma jr. told  her father, that she wanted to marry.
A normal reaction of a parent would be: Do you love him?
But his question was: that Kurt-fellow...he loves you?
 He wanted a safe future for his children.  He didn't want her to have the same  life as he had with
her mother
For me it was a demonstration of Ennis'  love for his daughters.
Ennis was a lovable man.
 
 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Ironwood on March 31, 2006, 11:36:45 AM
What broke my heart (  I didn't read all your stories, so someone mentioned it maybe ), was a moment  at the end of the film that Alma jr. told  her father, that she wanted to marry.
A normal reaction of a parent would be: Do you love him?
But his question was: that Kurt-fellow...he loves you?
 He wanted a safe future for his children.  He didn't want her to have the same  life as he had with
her mother
For me it was a demonstration of Ennis'  love for his daughters.
Ennis was a lovable man.
 
 

Those are really good points...I never thought of it that way.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on March 31, 2006, 02:14:06 PM
my favorite quote

Quote
There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe
but nothing could be done about it
and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it
--- E. Annie Proulx ---
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on April 01, 2006, 04:55:01 AM
Gyllenhaal does such a GREAT job in that scene.  My heart just breaks for him both there and the night before when he makes his admission (see my tag line).  That scene in the parking area is the tipping point for me during their last time together.  I just start bawling.  He expresses it with much pain, with tears, anguish, longing and a sense of, "Don't you get it, Ennis?!?  It's killing me to be apart from you because I love you."  Just to think of it hurts. 

I don't know about others, but I've had those experiences with missing someone sooooo much that it's like a big whole in the universe, your soul and your heart but you can't do anything about it.  That is, you can't make the OTHER person help you fix it.

Great.  Now I'm crying again and it's not even 7am! 

like in my own life, which paralleled the movie so closely, you can't make the other person help you fix it.  You can only wait for him/her to change his/her mind.  It's an agonizing wait - especially if that person doesn't want to face truths and make choices that might be unpleasant.

it was a waiting game between them, and Jack ran out of time.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Luke_in_SG on April 01, 2006, 08:58:13 AM

This Kurt-fellow...he loves you?
 He wanted a safe future for his children.  He didn't want her to have the same  life as he had with her mother
For me it was a demonstration of Ennis'  love for his daughters.
 

What really breaks my heart is when we see the expression on Heath/Ennis's face after Alma Jr says "Yes Daddy, he loves me." He looks out of the window with this anguished face, almost like a sense of dread that the heartbreak he caused Alma could possibly repeat itself with his own daughter. For me, this is the point where that "gut-wrenching" feeling begins at the end of the movie.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Luke_in_SG on April 01, 2006, 09:06:21 AM
I don't know about others, but I've had those experiences with missing someone sooooo much that it's like a big whole in the universe, your soul and your heart but you can't do anything about it.  That is, you can't make the OTHER person help you fix it.

The irony of this scene is that both Jack and Ennis think the other doesn't know how bad it is for each of them.  But that is what finally comes out (rises up around them) in that scene. There understanding of each other's pain and the subsequent embrace of Ennis breaking down and the memory of the embrace 20 years before. 


You're not alone.

Practically every line in that scene, starting from Jack's "miss you so much" all the way to Ennis's "I can't stand it anymore, Jack" resonates with so much my own history that I feel my stomach cramping up slowly as the scene progresses. This is as realistic a script as I can possibly imagine it to be, delivered so honestly and seamlessly edited. It expresses my feelings perfectly.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on April 02, 2006, 03:53:30 AM
I wanted to get this one exactly right, so I pulled out my trusty copy of the short story:

I love this line.  It's from the second to the last paragraph, at the end.

"And he would wake sometimes in grief, sometimes with the old sense of joy and release; the pillow sometimes wet, sometimes the sheets."



Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rickpouch on April 03, 2006, 01:24:18 AM
pwday

I agree---but also another quote from the short story----on the first page:

"He might have to stay with his married daughter until he picks up another job, yet he is suffused with a sense of pleasure, because Jack Twist was in his dream."

It's so subtle, yet so moving.
There are so many quotes in both the film and the short story that it's hard to pick.

Rich (Chicago).
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cailleach on April 03, 2006, 06:49:28 PM
From the short story:
...and Ennis, not big on endearments, said what he said to his horses and daughters, little darlin.

The first time I read this line, my heart actually fluttered as if I was having my first kiss. Wow.


Yes, when I read the story this lwas the line that made my heart pound. In the written text, this is for me the high point of the erotic tension.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: bibra on April 03, 2006, 06:58:52 PM
my favorite line in the book was when Jack describes missing Ennis bad enough  sometimes to make him whip babies. 

That is just about a bad as missing someone could possibly get.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Griff on April 04, 2006, 02:29:51 AM
I can't quote it verbatim, but I love the line after Ennis tells Cassie that he probably wouldn't have been much fun anyway.  She retorts something like  "women don't fall in love with fun, Ennis."

My least favorite line is the one where Jack talks about "high altitude f**ks"  It's witty, and Jack isn't bright enough to be that witty (however, he could have heard it somewhere, say in a bar).

My favorite moment in the film is when Jack's mom tacitly acknowledges that Ennis has the shirts.  The emotion in that moment could light up China.  It's just so simple, and so revealing -- and quiet, and all-knowing.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Meg on April 04, 2006, 05:26:06 AM
Griff, I don't see Jack as trying to be witty in that scene. I seee him to just needing to hurt Ennis and reduce their love to "a couple a high altitude f##ks a year". I also believe Jack could be witty. The dialogue in the movie where Ennis is explaining about some animal trying to get into too small a hole(?) and Jack quips back "sounds like good entertainment to me" (or similar).
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: IMJackNasty on April 04, 2006, 01:54:12 PM
I tend to like witty lines the best....so I guess my favorite quote would have to be when Lureen walks up to Jack in the bar and says...

"What are you waiting for Cowboy...a mating call?"

It would be something I would say....

 ;D
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Meg on April 04, 2006, 06:07:31 PM
I think the word's "lil' darlin" spoken so softly by Ennnis would have to be the closest to my heart. We all know Ennis is a man of few words and even fewer love declarations, so for him to be able call Jack this, fills me with a deeper understanding of his ability to  love and his too few experiences of love to know much more to say.  Did Ennis take a huge risk saying those words out loud or did he feel totally comfortable? With these words there is no wittiness, no anger, no recriminations, no accusations. Maybe the long held memory of those words kept Jack coming back to Ennis for all those years. He knew Ennis didn't call just anyone this. He only called people (and horses) that he put his trust in "lil' darlin". I also think Jack would have taken those words to where blue birds sing and where there's a whiskey spring.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: handyjake on April 04, 2006, 10:25:31 PM
Hands down, in the story, it's that beautiful last paragraph: "There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe, but nothing could be done about it, and if you can't fix it you've got to stand it."  I get chills just typing it.  Favorite might not be exactly the right word, though :).  It makes me achingly sad.

Jenny, have you heard the bookworm interview w/Annie? (Don't know how to post it - 6MB MP3 audio file).
She says after she sent it to her agent for submission she realized she had to add one more sentence, the last one, so they added it at the last minute.

Gives me chills too.

Also, in the 2nd paragraph regarding the dream he had about Jack Twist:
"If he does not force his attention on it, it might stoke the day, rewarm that old, cold time on the mountain when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong."

Ouch.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: handyjake on April 04, 2006, 11:15:32 PM
   Knew I was going to have a hard time "holding back" the tears.  (I'm a 71 year-old male who has a male lover.)
   Was do'in fine... until Ennis received the first postcard from Jack.. and you see him write on a postcard he's sending back to Jack.....
                     
                         YOU BET!
       
               I lost it!! 
(I realize it's might debatable that it's a quote.. but.. I could feel Ennis shouting it as he wrote!!)


Yes, but I loved it because he put a period, not an exclamation point.
 
you
bet.

I love Ennis because he may not know about "condiments" or exclamation points but he knows who he loves.

Ennis, reared by his older brother and sister after their parents drove off the only
curve on Dead Horse Road leaving them twenty-four dollars in cash and a two-
mortgage ranch, applied at age fourteen for a hardship license that let him make the
hour-long trip from the ranch to the high school. The pickup was old, no heater, one
windshield wiper and bad tires; when the transmission went there was no money to
fix it. He had wanted to be a sophomore, felt the word carried a kind of distinction,
but the truck broke down short of it, pitching him directly into ranch work. 


(Isn't it great how Diana O. and Larry M. were so faithful to Annie P.'s masterpiece that so much of this paragraph was adapted into the screenplay?)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on April 05, 2006, 12:59:38 AM
Every time I see it or read it the lines that stand out are different.  Tonight it was all about Ennis.

These words weren't especially witty, but it took a lot of nerve for Ennis to walk into Jack's parents' house, sit down at the table with Jack's evil dad, and say:

I feel awful bad about Jack.
I can't begin to tell you how bad I feel.
I knew him a long time.

Ennis wasn't much of one for disclosing his feelings, especially to strangers (unless his feeling was rage).    Ennis was growing up, and starting to understand what is important in life.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Griff on April 05, 2006, 01:26:44 AM
Griff, I don't see Jack as trying to be witty in that scene. I seee him to just needing to hurt Ennis and reduce their love to "a couple a high altitude f##ks a year". I also believe Jack could be witty. The dialogue in the movie where Ennis is explaining about some animal trying to get into too small a hole(?) and Jack quips back "sounds like good entertainment to me" (or similar).

Meg, I watched the film tonight and I can see your point.  He doesn't seem to be acting witty -- in fact, he's truly frustrated.  So, maybe I should target my displeasure with the line to the writers.  [it's all together possible that jack or Ennis could say something like that -- but to me, it just has a modern flavor that I don't associate so much with the 60s, in Wyoming.]

As for jack's wit, I'd be more inclined to classify it as being a smart-ass, than true wit.  However, compared to Ennis and all of the other locals, Jack is a regular Oscar Wilde.  [Although, if you think hard, Ennis does have a very dry wit, for example his quips about the harmonica, and the wonderful retort to Jack's tomfoolery after Ennis told Jack that his father thought rodeo'ers were a bit off:  "maybe my father was right."

As i write, and opine, and over-analyze I've finally come to the conclusion that these characters in BBM are so nuanced, so three-dimensional (thanks to Proulx, McMurtry, Ossana, Lee, AND the performers) that, just like all of us, they are full of contradictions and inconsistencies, beauty and ugliness, liberation and constraint, joy and sadness, confidence and insecurity, selfishness and selflessness, love and [self] hate, etc.

I guess that's what makes a book, or poem, or song, or movie "art."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Meg on April 05, 2006, 02:23:49 AM
Yes, handyjake, those two words shout out Ennis' joy at Jack having got in touch with him. It so sent tingles up my spine. Loved it for all it's understated power.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: louisev on April 05, 2006, 05:06:15 AM
Every time I see it or read it the lines that stand out are different.  Tonight it was all about Ennis.

These words weren't especially witty, but it took a lot of nerve for Ennis to walk into Jack's parents' house, sit down at the table with Jack's evil dad, and say:

I feel awful bad about Jack.
I can't begin to tell you how bad I feel.
I knew him a long time.

Ennis wasn't much of one for disclosing his feelings, especially to strangers (unless his feeling was rage).    Ennis was growing up, and starting to understand what is important in life.

I definitely agree that prior to Jack's death it was well nigh inconceivable to me that Ennis would initiate contact with anyone and confess to any feelings about Jack whatsoever.  It was definitely a revealing moment.  It does lend a certain spark of hope to the idea that Ennis might one day love another... but that isn't seen here.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: LouisZH on April 05, 2006, 04:57:24 PM
pwday and rickpouch (btw, hi to everybody, I am new here):

I had exactly the same thoughts:

"He might have to stay with his married daughter until he picks up another job, yet he is suffused with a sense of pleasure because Jack Twist was in his dream."

"And he would wake sometimes in grief, sometimes with the old sense of joy and release; the pillow sometimes wet, sometimes the sheets."

plus

"Around that time Jack began to appear in his dreams, Jack as he had first seen him, curly-headed and smiling and bucktoothed, talking about getting up off his pockets and into the control zone,..."

and

"When it came -- thirty cents -- he pinned it up in his trailer, brassheaded tack in each corner. Below it he drove a nail and on the nail he hung the wire hanger and the two old shirts suspended from it. He stepped back and looked at the ensemble through a few stinging tears."

THIS got me to tears.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on April 06, 2006, 03:54:15 PM
those were great ones, Louise2H!   I see that was your first post... welcome!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: ottoblom on April 06, 2006, 06:34:38 PM


  "I'll see you next month, then . . ."  --Jack Twist.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: joe-broke on April 06, 2006, 06:36:43 PM
"Tent don't look right"

Makes me smile every time.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: kaboyz on April 06, 2006, 10:58:04 PM
'Pup tent smells like cat piss or worse'....I love throwing that line around in my every day conversation! 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Ministering angel on April 06, 2006, 11:55:27 PM
"You don't leave them [the late-calving heifers]. You don't."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: downloaded1 on April 06, 2006, 11:56:20 PM
"You have no idea how bad it gets"
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on April 07, 2006, 12:02:56 AM
Quote
Tent don't look right"

Makes me smile every time

me too... I was starting to think I was the only one.   Pure Ennis.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Brokaholic on April 07, 2006, 12:10:29 AM
SNIT

It's alright
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Marta on April 07, 2006, 01:49:46 AM
From the book: "and Ennis, not big in endearments said what he said to his horses and daughters, little darlin"

So inappropriate! and, probably because of that, so moving. It speaks volumes about the depth of Ennis feelings and his lack of capacity to deal with them.

From the film: "We could have a good life together, fucking real good life, get us a place of our own, but you wouldn't do it, Ennis"

Bloody hard to watch, every single time. It summons up all the pain Jack has gone through those years and the immense generosity and courage of his love. He his not insulting  Ennis, he is just stating that he has understood the situation all those years and that he has accepted it that way. Always knowing what it could be, always accepting what it was.

Marta
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Ben Franklin on April 07, 2006, 02:34:43 AM
Hi, everybody,

My favorite quote: “If you can’t fix it you’ve gotta stand it.” (The very last sentence of Annie Proulx’s story) On the first glance this is just an expression of cowboy stoicism: These Wyoming ranch-hands are taught to be tough guys. Out there on the range they have to “stand” a lotta loneliness, poverty, physical and emotional pain without bitchin’ and complainin’. But in a deeper sense this one sentence comprises the whole tragedy of the story, especially the whole tragedy and dignity of the Ennis character.
It’s important to understand, that BM isn’t just about “two gay cowboys”. It’s rather debateable if the epithet “gay cowboys” is appropriate at all. But for the sake of the argument, let’s say this it’s about two “gay cowboys”. But even then this is not enough: It’s not just about two gay cowboys, it’s about two anti-gay gay cowboys. At least for Ennis this is true and important to notice.
Take for instance the scene on the telephone with Lureen. There are some hints that Lureen is probably lying about the whole “tire accident” thing. Maybe Jack really was murdered. But it’s important to understand that the flashback we see is just what Ennis spontaneously imagines when hearing this story. Ennis imagines that Jack only could have been killed. In his inherited value system homosexual sex “deserves” death. (cf. Ennis when hearing about Jack’s trip to Mexico: “all them things I don’t know could get you killed if I should come to know them.“) Jack got - according to this inherited moral system of 50s and 60s rural Wyoming - his “just punishment”. Homosexual love can only end in death. Ennis cannot get over this value system, in which he grew up. He simply cannot imagine a life together with Jack, he cannot imagine a lived relationship and fulfilled love in any conventional sense of the word. (Jack: “we could have had a good life together, a fuckin real good life. You wouldn’t do it, Ennis, so what we got now is Brokeback Mountain.“) So he “can’t fix” that situation. That’s the whole tragedy of the Ennis character which tears Jack down into this tragic situation, too. But - and that’s his whole dignity: - Ennis also cannot deny his love, and, even more important, he doesn’t want to deny his love. So Ennis “can’t fix it”. But he “stands it”. He stands by his love (“Jack, I swear -”). So for me the most meaningful, heart-breaking and dignified sentence is: “If you can’t fix it you’ve got to stand it.”
(Excuse me for this awfully long post.)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: goobles on April 07, 2006, 07:26:03 AM
From the book: "and Ennis, not big in endearments said what he said to his horses and daughters, little darlin"

I loved this line, too.

Also love "Pretty good with a can opener, though".
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: DiscoDan on April 07, 2006, 08:04:18 AM
"Jack Twist... Jack Nasty!"

Lol, that is definately one of my favorite ones.  But emotionally, my favorite is definately "I wish I knew how to quit you"
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: tentmate on April 07, 2006, 08:34:24 PM
Now with the DVD, i can take notes !!  I'll be back with my 5 top quotes...
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: handyjake on April 09, 2006, 10:27:33 PM
Have been thinking away from the movie, with humor:  Fuck Aguirre! (the way he says it as he struggles with the sheep)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: vittorio on April 10, 2006, 04:03:06 AM
For me, it just has to be: I wish I knew how to quit you. I somehow think it best encapsulates all the yearning, hope and crushing compromise central to the story.   ;)

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: DarcyDoo on April 10, 2006, 07:15:41 AM
Well, I haven't read the short story, but from the movie, these are some of my favorites:

"The only traveling I've done is around a coffee pot looking for the handle" - Ennis Del Mar. 
(I don't know why but that just cracked me up.)

"Fast or slow, I just like the direction your goin'" - Jack Twist
(I think that this line is clever ~ In some ways sad b/c I think Jack was trying to convince himself that he really wanted Lureen)

"This is a bitch of an unsatisfactory situation." - Jack Twist
(I just like Jack's colorful language here)

"If you can't fix it, you've gotta stand it." - Ennis Del Mar
(This one is just sad.  It shows how completely lacking in hope Ennis is.  Unlike Jack, he has no notion that they will ever have a life together.)

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on April 10, 2006, 01:18:32 PM
Well, I haven't read the short story, but from the movie, these are some of my favorites:

"The only traveling I've done is around a coffee pot looking for the handle" - Ennis Del Mar. 
(I don't know why but that just cracked me up.)

"Fast or slow, I just like the direction your goin'" - Jack Twist
(I think that this line is clever ~ In some ways sad b/c I think Jack was trying to convince himself that he really wanted Lureen)

"This is a bitch of an unsatisfactory situation." - Jack Twist
(I just like Jack's colorful language here)

"If you can't fix it, you've gotta stand it." - Ennis Del Mar
(This one is just sad.  It shows how completely lacking in hope Ennis is.  Unlike Jack, he has no notion that they will ever have a life together.)




all but the second one is from the story too
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on April 10, 2006, 02:14:21 PM
there are so many that I like for all different kinds of reasons.   Some are funny, some are indicative of a person's character, some have multiple interpretations.

some of the best lines in this movie are unspoken.

One person, very early in this thread said that he or she fell in love with Ennis when early in the film, up on Brokeback,  he looked at Jack and said "Whut?"    Jack replied "Friend, that's more words than you've spoken in two weeks" "Hell, that's more words than I've spoken in a year".    That's probably my favorite exchage.  It's so tender and revealing.

But if I had to cut them all away, and pare it down on one single, solitary line that packs an emotional punch, is perfectly delivered, and kind of sums it all up, it would have to be when Jack says.

"The truth is.............. sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."

Gets me every time.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: quijote on April 10, 2006, 10:31:55 PM
"Truth is ...."  That's the line that tells the world that this love between two men is the exact same love that every straight lover falls into.  (It's also the love mothers and fathers feel, that best friends feel, that the human race feels.)  If we don't get the pain in that line, we just can't get it.  Jake Gyllenhaal deserved an Oscar for that line.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on April 10, 2006, 10:55:04 PM
I love the whole story so much, but the part that addicted me, from the very first reading, was Jack's aria (another poster coined that phrase in a different thread)

"Try this one and I'll say it just one time.  Tell you what, we could a had a good life together..." and "(Brokeback Mountain's) all we got boy, fuckin' all, so I hope you know that if you don't never know the rest"...

(and we know what them things are Ennis doesn't "know")

"Count the damn few times we been together in twenty years.  Measure the fuckin' short leash you keep me on.."

(first time I read this I gasped, does Ennis keep Jack on a short leash?  why YES, I guess he does!! blew me away)

"I can't make it on a couple a high-altitude fucks once or twice a year.  You're too muh for me, Ennis, you son of a whoreson bitch.  I wish I knew how to quit you."


Now as far as I'm concerned, you should never say "I wish I knew how to quit you" without calling the person a son of a whoreson bitch first.  Otherwise, it loses all its punch.  It almost sounds polite.  But with the power of the "aria" behind it, you know he MEANS it.  Wow.

Second favorite quote (going backwards in time)

"You know, friend, this is a goddam bitch of a unsatisfactory situation."

This is great because Jack calls Ennis friend (his term of endearment, which I love) but now it's as if he's reminding Ennis how close they are, and that Ennis could do better.  LOTS better.

Also I love how in the book it's "a unsatisfactory situation."  Jake adds the "n" and it doesn't seem to lose anything in the film.

IMO Jake's delivery of this aria is perfect, even with the extra n.  The only thing I would change is more emphasis on calling Ennis a son of a whoreson bitch.

And the most amazing thing is how these essentially negative phrases convey how much he loves Ennis.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: sunny on April 11, 2006, 07:52:10 AM
"I figured you was sore from that punch"
I think Ennis had been brooding about that punch for the 4 long years they were apart,
so scared that that was why Jack hadn't been in touch
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hither on April 11, 2006, 05:59:15 PM
Hi!

I need some help! Please!

"There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believem but nothing could be done about it"

What does it mean? Is it a literally meaning of his thoughts of Jack's death??? (he was told Jack had an accident but he believed he was killed), or some kind of metaphor about his love for Jack, never totally accepted, but in some way believing that Jack knew he loved him. I don't know! Help!

I'm not a native english speaker, so I may be wrong.

Hope somebody answers.
=)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Paul in SF on April 11, 2006, 06:23:32 PM
"Speak for yourself.  You may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity."  Delivered by Heath with a perfect devilish smile and followed ominously by the main theme guitar chord.  This has got to be one of the best thinly veiled come-ons that I've ever heard.

The other line that makes me laugh out loud every time is when Jack's asking Lureen where his parka is and mentioning he has 14 hours of driving ahead of him.  Under her breath she responds, "See now it don't seem fair you goin' up there two, three times a year...." and trails off muttering something unintelligible.

It's the first time we understand how frequently Jack and Ennis are getting to see one another and heartwarming on that level. It's also a little bittersweet because Lureen clearly has no concept of what's going on - she's played for bit of a fool here.  A single seemingly throw-away line is actually bafflingly complex like so much about this story.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hayek_uk on April 11, 2006, 06:49:17 PM
I'm afraid mine is Ennis at his most violent. He is so passionate (same passion in the sex).

Alma and Ennis are in the kitchen at Monroe's on Thanksgiving, and Alma confronts Ennis with the truth about his fishing trips. He seizes her violently by the wrist and she says she's going to yell for Monroe. And Ennis says

"Go on and fuckin yell. I'll make him eat the fuckin floor and you too."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on April 11, 2006, 08:54:55 PM
oh, my.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on April 11, 2006, 08:58:42 PM
I'm afraid mine is Ennis at his most violent. He is so passionate (same passion in the sex).

Alma and Ennis are in the kitchen at Monroe's on Thanksgiving, and Alma confronts Ennis with the truth about his fishing trips. He seizes her violently by the wrist and she says she's going to yell for Monroe. And Ennis says

"Go on and fuckin yell. I'll make him eat the fuckin floor and you too."


yes that's when is Ennis is at his sexiest, his passion and violence are connected.  I think that's soooooooooo sexy!  I love that whole thanksgiving scene between him and alma.
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Post by: downloaded1 on April 11, 2006, 09:05:07 PM


yes that's when is Ennis is at his sexiest, his passion and violence are connected.  I think that's soooooooooo sexy!  I love that whole thanksgiving scene between him and alma.
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Violence, real or threatened isnt sexy.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on April 11, 2006, 09:08:36 PM
Hi!

I need some help! Please!

"There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believem but nothing could be done about it"

What does it mean? Is it a literally meaning of his thoughts of Jack's death??? (he was told Jack had an accident but he believed he was killed), or some kind of metaphor about his love for Jack, never totally accepted, but in some way believing that Jack knew he loved him. I don't know! Help!

I'm not a native english speaker, so I may be wrong.

Hope somebody answers.
=)

Hi, hither -- I'll try!

First of all, many of us native American speakers are debating the meaning of Annie's words endlessly, so don't feel bad!  In fact, your two attempts are quite worthy.  I think the second one is closer to the meaning.  I think it refers to the relationship, more than to Jack's death.

I discussed this with a friend who thought what he knew might be a reference to Jack's trips to Mexico (Ennis says, all them things I don't know - meaning he suspected Jack had been with other guys for sex) and the "other one" Jack told his father he was going to bring to help at the ranch.  What he tries to believe is that the love they had for each other would not have ended - and if Jack had lived, he would have met Ennis in November and continued the relationship.

What he knows and what he tries to believe are not the same, so there is open space.  But Annie P would never leave open space with no meaning.  I believe it is Ennis' way of stepping back and leaving things, as Jack thought after the dozy embrace, "let be, let be."

Just as all have different endings for the line "Jack I swear..."  - I think we all fill in the open space with our most recent understanding of the story.

Does that help or confuse you more? ??? ;D :P  Does it help to know we are all in this together??  Hang in there- you are doing okay.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on April 11, 2006, 09:09:50 PM
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Violence, real or threatened isnt sexy

No, it is not... I agree 100% 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on April 11, 2006, 09:14:10 PM
Violence, real or threatened isnt sexy.
oh please, who here doesn't like the first tent scene?  let's be honest here and not judgemental and holier than thou.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: downloaded1 on April 11, 2006, 09:15:18 PM
Violence, real or threatened isnt sexy.
oh please, who here doesn't like the first tent scene?  let's be honest here and not judgemental and holier than thou.

Holier than thou?
Your statement wasnt about the first tent scene.
And that isnt what I replied to.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Seom on April 11, 2006, 09:31:36 PM
ooo, there are just to many quotes to choose from! But one I will never get over is when Jack is "wrestling" to drag that sheep away and says:

"Fuck Arguire!"

It just tickles me so much! He's so cute!

Then there's the:
"Speak for yourself. You may be a sinner, but I haven't yet had the opportunity."
and then Jack does his little "mmhmmm..." hands Ennis the bottle like he's plotting something... Yeah that "mmhmmm" he does totally makes me think he was planning that first tent scene ever since Ennis said that. He got Ennis drunk so he would stay, and therefore he would have to sleep in the tent with him and... hee hee hee.... evil Jack... ;)

I also love the part when Jack is looking for his blue parka. He's so cute! Just love that whole scene!

And the:

"You have no idea how bad it gets! And I'm not you I can't make it on a couple of high altitude fucks once or twice a year!"

I love it how they refer to their attraction as "it" or "this thing" in such vague terms. It's adorable!

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on April 11, 2006, 09:33:44 PM
ooo, there are just to many quotes to choose from! But one I will never get over is when Jack is "wrestling" to drag that sheep away and says:

"Fuck Arguire!"

It just tickles me so much! He's so cute!

Then there's the:
"Speak for yourself. You may be a sinner, but I haven't yet had the opportunity."
and then Jack does his little "mmhmmm..." hands Ennis the bottle like he's plotting something... Yeah that "mmhmmm" he does totally makes me think he was planning that first tent scene ever since Ennis said that. He got Ennis drunk so he would stay, and therefore he would have to sleep in the tent with him and... hee hee hee.... evil Jack... ;)

I also love the part when Jack is looking for his blue parka. He's so cute! Just love that whole scene!

And the:

"You have no idea how bad it gets! And I'm not you I can't make it on a couple of high altitude fucks once or twice a year!"

I love it how they refer to their attraction as "it" or "this thing" in such vague terms. It's adorable!



I'll just have to agree with this whole post.  those are great too, and it is sooooo hard to chose just one favorite!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: downloaded1 on April 11, 2006, 09:34:38 PM
Melisande
you here?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on April 12, 2006, 07:28:13 AM
Violence, real or threatened isnt sexy.
oh please, who here doesn't like the first tent scene?  let's be honest here and not judgemental and holier than thou.

Holier than thou?
Your statement wasnt about the first tent scene.
And that isnt what I replied to.
yes you most certainly are holier than thou.  how dare you judge me!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Melisande on April 12, 2006, 11:02:37 AM
Please stop attacking each other. It's neither appropriate nor on topic. If you disagree with a post, keep your comments to the post and not the poster.

Thank you. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: RochesterMommy on April 12, 2006, 09:54:21 PM
"Jack Fuckin' Twist" (all the times Ennis said it, but especially the time when Ennis was bitching about Jack having it all figured out)

"Best get goin' cowboy" (or something like that - when Jack goes up to fetch Ennis from moping on the hill because it's time to bring the sheep down from Brokeback - he lassos Ennis when he says it...so sweet)

"Pleased to know you, Ennis Del Mar"

"We could a had a good life...a fuckin' real good life"

And my current #1 (changes all the time..): "It's nobody's business but ours" (Jack to Ennis in the movie after Ennis says something about this thing they got goin on being a one-time deal)

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Caroline on April 12, 2006, 10:16:38 PM
Violence, real or threatened isnt sexy.
oh please, who here doesn't like the first tent scene?  let's be honest here and not judgemental and holier than thou.

Oh God, nested quotes,,, Meli will have my ass,

BUT Levans, I love the FNIT.... God almighty, but that is a scene worth remembering... and to watch it now, through DVD... knowing how Jack grabs Ennis' hand at the end and how Ennis rests his head on Jack's back after it all.. yeah.. good scene.... gooooooooddd scene... and I will not be holier than thou,, what ever you are trying to say there... the only scene that surpasses this one, ok, two scenes, are... SNIT and Reunion scenes... wow wow wow... obsessed I may be, agree with you
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: quijote on April 13, 2006, 03:58:53 PM
I completely respect the posters who don't find violence sexy.

HOWEVER, levans645, I know exactly what you are saying about that scene.  To say you think the scene is sexy is in no way to say that you think that it would be sexy if Ennis hurts Alma.  Also, as I presume to continue to speak for you, it is to say that you recognize emotionally that violent/aggressive impulses and sexual impulses are closely connected in human beings.  It is also to recognize that ANY strong emotion displayed by a man (unless cruel and inhuman) is sexy to many of us women (if you are a woman).  For some of us that is the only emotion we will ever see in the men in our lives.  Finally, it is to recognize that in our culture this kind of behavior is recognized as very masculine; displays of masculinity provoke a sexual response from us (if masculinity is the kind of thing that floats our boat).

It is very important to note that Ennis is feeling overpowered by his anger but he never hits Alma.  He stops himself.  We all do this 50 times a day in traffic. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hayek_uk on April 13, 2006, 04:35:10 PM
I completely respect the posters who don't find violence sexy.

HOWEVER, levans645, I know exactly what you are saying about that scene.  To say you think the scene is sexy is in no way to say that you think that it would be sexy if Ennis hurts Alma.  Also, as I presume to continue to speak for you, it is to say that you recognize emotionally that violent/aggressive impulses and sexual impulses are closely connected in human beings.  It is also to recognize that ANY strong emotion displayed by a man (unless cruel and inhuman) is sexy to many of us women (if you are a woman).  For some of us that is the only emotion we will ever see in the men in our lives.  Finally, it is to recognize that in our culture this kind of behavior is recognized as very masculine; displays of masculinity provoke a sexual response from us (if masculinity is the kind of thing that floats our boat).

It is very important to note that Ennis is feeling overpowered by his anger but he never hits Alma.  He stops himself.  We all do this 50 times a day in traffic. 

I started this with a favourite line that is violent. And I like it principally because of its intensity and the novelty of the phrase ("eat the floor").

But... violence is an inherent part of sexuality. It is frequently very arousing. The root of passion is suffering etc etc etc. This is not the same as saying wife-battering is sexy, and the attempt to conflate and deprecate them is indeed extremely self-righteous (and likely worse).


Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: quijote on April 13, 2006, 05:09:35 PM
hayek uk:

You are right.  You did start it.  You provocateur.

Amen to your point about arousal.  Very arousing indeed.  Jack's smile can make you want to go to your knees, and Ennis's raised fist (that you KNOW is never gonna come down) can do the same thing.  Just being honest about me, and frankly just about anyone else raised in American culture.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hayek_uk on April 13, 2006, 05:39:50 PM
"Jack Fuckin' Twist" (all the times Ennis said it, but especially the time when Ennis was bitching about Jack having it all figured out)

"Best get goin' cowboy" (or something like that - when Jack goes up to fetch Ennis from moping on the hill because it's time to bring the sheep down from Brokeback - he lassos Ennis when he says it...so sweet)

"Pleased to know you, Ennis Del Mar"

"We could a had a good life...a fuckin' real good life"

And my current #1 (changes all the time..): "It's nobody's business but ours" (Jack to Ennis in the movie after Ennis says something about this thing they got goin on being a one-time deal)


Every one is pure bliss.

"Pleased to know you, Ennis Del Mar" is usually when I shed by first tears!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hayek_uk on April 13, 2006, 05:43:46 PM
hayek uk: You are right.  You did start it.  You provocateur.

Be careful - or I'll show you what provocation really looks like (eyes squinting, not smiling).  ;D
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on April 13, 2006, 05:48:48 PM
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Jack's smile can make you want to go to your knees, and Ennis's raised fist (that you KNOW is never gonna come down) can do the same thing.Just being honest about me, and frankly just about anyone else raised in American culture.

Not me. I appreciate your honesty, and I am not here to debate this.  I am being honest too.  What I see is a very frightened Alma. We may know that fist is not going to come down, but she doesn't appear to know it. There is nothing sexy at all about it, to me

Here's an idea: whaddayasay we get back to those favorite quotes now....

"I complain too much; that teacher don't like me. Now it's your turn."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hayek_uk on April 13, 2006, 08:30:39 PM
Here's an idea: whaddayasay we get back to those favorite quotes now....

"I complain too much; that teacher don't like me. Now it's your turn."

Yeh!

I love

ENNIS (to biker): Wanna swallow 'bout half your teeth?  ;D

ENNIS "I was just sending up a prayer of thanks"
Ennis happy! It's so lovely.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: downloaded1 on April 13, 2006, 08:32:26 PM
ENNIS: "I was just sending up a prayer of thanks"

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I really like this one.
And that smile on his face says it all!

Very nice indeed!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on April 13, 2006, 08:34:43 PM
that's funny hayek... we were thinking along the same lines.  I almost posted the line "How bout you fellas shut your slopbucket mouths"

'We're supposed to guard the sheep, not eat 'em"
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: quijote on April 13, 2006, 09:15:32 PM
My favorite lines?

When they're not saying anything -- just kissing.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hayek_uk on April 13, 2006, 09:56:17 PM
My favorite lines?

When they're not saying anything -- just kissing.


The screenplay reads:

(1) SNIT

"JACK kisses him. They lie back. Embrace. Kiss."

(2) REUNION

"Then ENNIS looks around. Pulls JACK over to a small gangway. Shoves him up against the wall. Then, as easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths come together."

The lock is in the story too - a great quote!
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Post by: Seom on April 14, 2006, 06:18:42 AM
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Then, as easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths come together."

I love that one also! Just bought the book the other day and keep reading that part over and over and over! I just love how the author does that figurative language! So awesome!
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Post by: ottoblom on April 14, 2006, 07:20:34 PM
ENNIS "I was just sending up a prayer of thanks"
Ennis happy! It's so lovely.

Yeah, but the followup where Jack asks for what?  And Ennis makes his joke about being thankful Jack didn't bring his harmonica.  It's a funny, nice moment, and we know what Ennis is really thinking, but it boomerangs on me. . because Ennis never says, and Jack never hears, what Ennis is truly thankful for.
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Post by: downloaded1 on April 14, 2006, 07:23:50 PM
ENNIS "I was just sending up a prayer of thanks"
Ennis happy! It's so lovely.

Yeah, but the followup where Jack asks for what?  And Ennis makes his joke about being thankful Jack didn't bring his harmonica.  It's a funny, nice moment, and we know what Ennis is really thinking, but it boomerangs on me. . because Ennis never says, and Jack never hears, what Ennis is truly thankful for.

He does say "I love you" while holding the shirts to his face in Jacks closet.
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Post by: fairdathm on April 14, 2006, 08:10:03 PM
ENNIS: "I was just sending up a prayer of thanks"

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I really like this one.
And that smile on his face says it all!

Very nice indeed!

Someone pointed out, elsewhere, that this may be Ennis's version of "The Dozy Embrace".  I had noticed that he looked really happy, but it wasn't until I read that and went back to the scene that i realized just how artless and free he seemed, right then.  He looks almost like a child, with his face so relaxed and carefree, and that beautiful, buoyant smile. 

That little wink he gives to Jack after he mentions the harmonica is so sweet, too, fits right into the mood (since he's not going to get sentimental--but it's all there, anyway, isn't it?)...

Can an expression be a favorite quote?   
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Post by: downloaded1 on April 14, 2006, 08:13:40 PM
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ENNIS: "I was just sending up a prayer of thanks"
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I really like this one.
And that smile on his face says it all!

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: fairdathm on April 15, 2006, 01:07:46 AM

(edited per request to keep posted quotes shorter...)

Now as far as I'm concerned, you should never say "I wish I knew how to quit you" without calling the person a son of a whoreson bitch first.  Otherwise, it loses all its punch.  It almost sounds polite.  But with the power of the "aria" behind it, you know he MEANS it.  Wow.

.....

And the most amazing thing is how these essentially negative phrases convey how much he loves Ennis.

I agree so much with your post--and had to thank you for the "quit you" section above.  I laughed so loudly the janitor came by (I'm at work) and looked in on me.  ;o)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: fairdathm on April 15, 2006, 01:20:07 AM

This Kurt-fellow...he loves you?
 He wanted a safe future for his children.  He didn't want her to have the same  life as he had with her mother
For me it was a demonstration of Ennis'  love for his daughters.
 

What really breaks my heart is when we see the expression on Heath/Ennis's face after Alma Jr says "Yes Daddy, he loves me." He looks out of the window with this anguished face, almost like a sense of dread that the heartbreak he caused Alma could possibly repeat itself with his own daughter. For me, this is the point where that "gut-wrenching" feeling begins at the end of the movie.

I'm not sure, but I thought when Ennis pauses and looks out the window, he's thinking about Jack.  They were the same age when they met as Alma Jr is now.  I think he knows Jack loved him, and he's reflecting on that and missing him terribly (etc.) at that moment.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: fairdathm on April 15, 2006, 01:30:57 AM
Griff, I don't see Jack as trying to be witty in that scene. I seee him to just needing to hurt Ennis and reduce their love to "a couple a high altitude f##ks a year". I also believe Jack could be witty. The dialogue in the movie where Ennis is explaining about some animal trying to get into too small a hole(?) and Jack quips back "sounds like good entertainment to me" (or similar).

You know, that line actually confused me.  It did seem to marginalize some of their time to being just about sex.  But then again, we know that Jack was the more sexually open of the two.  Someone else mentioned Jack's ability to separate "sex sex" from "love sex"... so maybe he was just someone with sexual needs that were too intense to be stifled for all but two weeks in a year, especially as those needs were not repressed by guilt like Ennis's.  I didn't think he was deliberately trying to hurt Ennis right then, it seemed to me like an honest outpouring of sincere thought and emotion (?).

BTW, it's Jack who says Lureen (punching numbers in her adding machine) is like a rabbit trying to squeeze into a snake hole with a coyote on its tail.  Ennis replies, "Sounds like pretty high class entertainment to me."  I took that as Jack has so much more money now, he's forgetting what it's like "to be broke all the time", and he's starting to complain about losing money to taxes and inflation--while Ennis doesn't have ANY money.  Clearly, the extra money Jack's complaining about after inflation and taxes is still way more than Ennis makes.   

I thought Jack had some wit about him.  More playful than anything, but I thought lines like "fast or slow, I just like the direction you're going", "I'm pretty good with a can opener, though", and even "your folks just stop at Ennis?" were charming.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: fairdathm on April 15, 2006, 02:33:54 AM


But there’s something about the way Ledger plays Ennis that whacks me out.  He seems so very innocent and inveterately, innately, organically good and kind.  I want to take care of him (among other things).  He breaks my heart.  And I realize that Gyllenhall is really the more classically handsome of the two, in his matinee idol, dreamy dark-haired way, but hell with him.  For me, it is all about Ennis as played by Ledger.  I’ve never had this type reaction before, and it seems especially odd because it’s over a fictional character as played by an actor.


I don't know if this comment fits in "favorite quotes", but I just had to interject this:  IS JG classically more handsome?  I do think he's adorable, but half due to his personality.  Sometimes his facial features are just all over the place in an odd way.  Personally, I think HL is much more handsome. 

But, about the way HL plays Ennis--the things you mentioned drew me to Ennis the most, too.  He really tries to be a good person.  Look at how he tries to be responsible for his family before and after the divorce, the way he helped out with the girls when they were sick, the way he moved over the laundromat because Alma wanted to (and for the girls), the way he tries at Thanksgiving (per the book) to "not be a sad daddy", etc.  I think within the framework of what he wanted (Jack) and what he felt he was 'stuck with' (per motel scene), he tried hard to make it work--there was just too much conflict between the circumstances and himself for it to turn out well on both paths simultaneously.  But he felt too drawn to one to resist, and too responsible to the other to desert it.  (Unlike Jack, who I adore, but who is also ready to leave his young son and wife immediately.)  (To be fair, Ennis also has his tremendous fear--so, it does get convoluted.)  But anyway, there truly was a playfulness and innocence within him--his "inner child", as it were, hidden under many layers, and yet so present.  He is vulnerable, somewhat lonely and un-nurtured, yet with a good and honest heart.  And as we see glimpses of, he can be sweetly loving, he just covers it up so deeply.  Jack got through to the real Ennis, deep down, in a way that no one else ever could.  I think we see the faintest hints of that unshielded in the film, but there must have been more of those moments between them.  (I appreciate the soothing arm Ennis has over Jack in the tent, the night Jack said he misses him so much he can hardly stand it; another glimmer...)  Hence Jack, the only one who has been trusted enough to burrow through the barriers, and who wants to care for Ennis, is compelled to keep trying for 20 years... he too has touched the goodness in Ennis, that loving, innocent, lonely, but frightened "inner child".  (And apparently they also have great sex--the two concepts are, I'd imagine, interwoven...)

That may be conveyed really well in the first night after the four year reunion, when Ennis says, "There aint no reins on this one", and Jack gently strokes his face.  Ennis does the equivalent of an Ennis 'sob' (very subtle of course) and tears up.  I think right there he's saying how passionately and deeply he feels for Jack, and how confusing it is for him--and, since he's just declared his fears about them being together, it may also be regret and remorse that they can't, in his mind, pursue what he knows he longs for (back to "passionately and deeply").  I hadn't really thought about that line as a favorite quote, but I guess it is--not so much the words, but the intensity conveyed both within and around it...
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: DarcyDoo on April 15, 2006, 03:48:56 AM
Quote

I don't know if this comment fits in "favorite quotes", but I just had to interject this:  IS JG classically more handsome?  I do think he's adorable, but half due to his personality.  Sometimes his facial features are just all over the place in an odd way.  Personally, I think HL is much more handsome. 


Well, I don't know about classically handsome, but in my opinion, JG is the better looking of the two.  I happen to prefer dark haired men, but there is just something about him.  Also, I've seen them in interviews, and JG's personality is one that I would be drawn to more so than HL's.  The same for Jack's character vs Ennis'.  Jack was fun loving and more free ~ I'm attracted to that sort of personality. For me, personality is impossible to separate from appearance.  I can't look at someone objectively without taking their personality into consideration.  It's a huge part of what makes them good looking for me.

I will say that I've always thought JG was adorable since I've first seen him, but after seeing him in this film, I'm absolutely smitten.  He brought a lot to Jack's character.

Maybe I'll get a JG poster, and hang it up in my bedroom!  Think my husband would mind??  ;)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on April 15, 2006, 09:56:10 AM

This Kurt-fellow...he loves you?
 He wanted a safe future for his children.  He didn't want her to have the same  life as he had with her mother
For me it was a demonstration of Ennis'  love for his daughters.
 

What really breaks my heart is when we see the expression on Heath/Ennis's face after Alma Jr says "Yes Daddy, he loves me." He looks out of the window with this anguished face, almost like a sense of dread that the heartbreak he caused Alma could possibly repeat itself with his own daughter. For me, this is the point where that "gut-wrenching" feeling begins at the end of the movie.

I'm not sure, but I thought when Ennis pauses and looks out the window, he's thinking about Jack.  They were the same age when they met as Alma Jr is now.  I think he knows Jack loved him, and he's reflecting on that and missing him terribly (etc.) at that moment.
I think both are very possible scenarios
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Seom on April 15, 2006, 01:48:45 PM
Quote

I don't know if this comment fits in "favorite quotes", but I just had to interject this:  IS JG classically more handsome?  I do think he's adorable, but half due to his personality.  Sometimes his facial features are just all over the place in an odd way.  Personally, I think HL is much more handsome. 


Well, I don't know about classically handsome, but in my opinion, JG is the better looking of the two.  I happen to prefer dark haired men, but there is just something about him.  Also, I've seen them in interviews, and JG's personality is one that I would be drawn to more so than HL's.  The same for Jack's character vs Ennis'.  Jack was fun loving and more free ~ I'm attracted to that sort of personality. For me, personality is impossible to separate from appearance.  I can't look at someone objectively without taking their personality into consideration.  It's a huge part of what makes them good looking for me.

I will say that I've always thought JG was adorable since I've first seen him, but after seeing him in this film, I'm absolutely smitten.  He brought a lot to Jack's character.

Maybe I'll get a JG poster, and hang it up in my bedroom!  Think my husband would mind??  ;)

I just have to discuss this.  ;) me and my sister are always arguing about "who's better looking." I think HL as Ennis is better looking. He's just got a sort of innocence in his face like he doesn't quite know if what he is doing is the right thing. Like when he goes into the tent the second time. He looks so worried about doing something wrong. Maybe it's that I can relate to this that I like it. I think JG is wonderfully adorable, but HL has more of a innocent nevousness that I like.  :P
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hifrommike65 on April 15, 2006, 03:37:00 PM
My favorite moment in the film:

Jack: "Friend, that's more words than you've spoke in the last two weeks."

Ennis: "Hell, that's the most I've spoke in a year." 

I think it's the moment they really first connect. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on April 15, 2006, 04:01:55 PM
...and, it's been mentioned a number of times now, but just before Jack delivers that "Friend, that's more words..." line, Ennis is looking at him and Jack's got the slightest smile on his face, and Ennis says "Whut?"     That's the moment that I first fell in love with Ennis, and I have a feeling that made Jack melt, too.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Ironwood on April 18, 2006, 01:59:35 PM
Just dropping in here.....I've got a lot of favorite quotes from BBM but I have also noticed that some of them have entered my everyday speech at what I hope are appropriate points and directed often times at people who whold have no idea where they (the line or quote) comes from....I suspect this is the effect of seeing the film 11 or so times and listening to an unabridged audio book maby another 20x....Anyone else notice anything similar?  Or is it that you "ain't yet had the opportuinty"
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Elevation on April 18, 2006, 05:03:14 PM

Sometimes [Jake's] facial features are just all over the place in an odd way. 

Huh? Becaus he smiles a lot?

========
About a fave quote... I've been brooding over this for days, my head full of lines from the script and story, back and forth. Now I'll just pick two of my 50 or so fave quotes. :D

From the book:
A scene at the Motel that I would've loved to see in the film because it would bring a new dimension to the film's Ennis:[/color]

       Ennis pulled Jack's hand to his mouth, took a hit from the cigarette, exhaled. "Sure as hell seem in one piece to me. You know, I was sittin up here all that time tryin to figure out if I was--? I know I ain't. I mean here we both got wives and kids, right? I like doin it with women, yeah, but Jesus H., ain't nothin like this. I never had no thoughts a doin it with another guy except I sure wrang it out a hundred times thinkin about you."


From the script:

        JACK (CONT'D)
This is my house! This is my child! And
you're my guest! So sit the hell down,
or I'll knock your ignorant ass into next week....

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on April 19, 2006, 10:06:46 AM
don't know if this is a bit off topic, it is about movie quotes, but here goes.

what's the saddest quote or one-liner in the movie?  some friends and I were discussing this and I wanted to hear other opinions.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on April 19, 2006, 10:15:20 AM
saddest? The two obvious ones that come to mind are:

"Jack, I swear..."

and "the truth is, sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."

There are a hundred more.... I guess I'd have to say that a line that strikes me as the saddest.. the MOST sad... can vary from viewing to viewing, just as my favorite lines vary from viewing to viewing.

There are just so damn many. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TwistandShout on April 19, 2006, 11:24:08 AM
My favorite lines?

When they're not saying anything -- just kissing.



Aint't it the truth! Lately, I've fallen in love with all the nonverbal communication going on between the two. For example: early on on Brokeback, when Jack shoots Ennis that semi-embarassed [?] look when he's trying to get the mare under control as he heads back to the sheep [Jack's vulnerability there makes me melt]; that incipient, small smile on Jack's face when Ennis finally makes it back to camp after the bear incident and before Jack tries to slip into his angry mode; the wounded look on Jack's face when Ennis grabs the bandanna to clean his cut and bruises; that other smallish, very self-satisfied smile when Ennis finally opens up before Jack's "Friend, that the most words. . ." comment; Ennis's coquettish facial expression just before he says "Whut"; the way he says "Whut" [someone once said on a forum, "Wow, Ennis can flirt!]; Ennis's quick, teasing glance back to Jack when he remembers his daddy's comment about rodeo cowboys being "fuck-ups", then his confirming grunt back to Jack that says see-what-I-mean after Jack says "Like hell they are"; several of Jack's sighs--when he's peeling the potatoes and just can't bring himself to look, and when he's driving away and glances in his mirror to watch Ennis walking upon their return from the mountain; Jack's almost-begging expression when he asks if Ennis will do it again next summer just before he gets into the truck and drives away; Ennis's nuzzle that concludes the reunion kiss [this slays me]; Jack's wanting to continue the reunion kissing; Ennis's face as he looks heaven-ward; and Jack's stroking of Ennis's face in the same scene.

Other nonverbal, non-Jack-and-Ennis-scenes are Lureen's small but heart-wrenching groans in her conversation with Ennis [has brought me to tears every time I've seen it lately--God, the Oscars should give an award for individual scenes; I think Anne would have gotten it hands-down for this performance]; almost every expression Jack's mother makes; and the way Ennis's nostrils flare when he hears about other the fellow Jack was considering bringing up to Lightning Flat.

Just some of my favorites. Anyone, did I miss anything?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hifrommike65 on April 19, 2006, 12:22:04 PM
"You know what?  I reckon they can find themselves another cowboy." 

This statement more than anything up to that point shows Ennis has changed.  He's willing to sacrifice a job for his daughter's happiness.   He had done this earlier to be able to continue to see Jack, but he'd stopped being willing to do it, & doing it here suggests he's returning to his earlier deals with Jack.  He doesn't have Jack to do it for, but he can do it for Alma Jr.  No surprise that he takes her sweater & puts it into the same wardrobe that she shirts are in.  & I believe that Alma Jr. has understood what was going on with her father & Jack & accepted it. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on April 19, 2006, 12:36:20 PM
"You know what?  I reckon they can find themselves another cowboy." 

This statement more than anything up to that point shows Ennis has changed.  He's willing to sacrifice a job for his daughter's happiness.   He had done this earlier to be able to continue to see Jack, but he'd stopped being willing to do it, & doing it here suggests he's returning to his earlier deals with Jack.  He doesn't have Jack to do it for, but he can do it for Alma Jr.  No surprise that he takes her sweater & puts it into the same wardrobe that she shirts are in.  & I believe that Alma Jr. has understood what was going on with her father & Jack & accepted it. 
man, what a post.  I totally agree with everything.  Ennis sees the light, too late for Jack, but changes back for Alma Jr, and Alma Jr knew and accepted.  you'd be surprised how many children of gay men know what's up.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TwistandShout on April 19, 2006, 12:41:25 PM
My favorite lines?

When they're not saying anything -- just kissing.




Just some of my favorites. Anyone, did I miss anything?

Wait, I missed one of my own favorites--the confirming growl Jack makes after Ennis says, "You may be a sinner but I haven't yet had the opportunity." Not only does Ennis say it in a flirtatious way, but Jack, I think, recognizes this fact with that growl. Which may account for his move in the tent that night.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on April 19, 2006, 12:48:26 PM
Wait, I missed one of my own favorites--the confirming growl Jack makes after Ennis says, "You may be a sinner but I haven't yet had the opportunity." Not only does Ennis say it in a flirtatious way, but Jack, I think, recognizes this fact with that growl. Which may account for his move in the tent that night.

how about the groan Jack makes at the "climax" of the FNIT scene??
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TwistandShout on April 19, 2006, 01:00:23 PM
Wait, I missed one of my own favorites--the confirming growl Jack makes after Ennis says, "You may be a sinner but I haven't yet had the opportunity." Not only does Ennis say it in a flirtatious way, but Jack, I think, recognizes this fact with that growl. Which may account for his move in the tent that night.

how about the groan Jack makes at the "climax" of the FNIT scene??

I'm trying to remember the FNIT scene. I know I hear Ennis groan when he climaxes. But I don't remember Jack's per se. And Jack is my boy! Help me out, bud [Lord, now I'm talkin' like them. . .].
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on April 19, 2006, 01:04:20 PM
how about the groan Jack makes at the "climax" of the FNIT scene??

I'm trying to remember the FNIT scene. I know I hear Ennis groan when he climaxes. But I don't remember Jack's per se. And Jack is my boy! Help me out, bud [Lord, now I'm talkin' like them. . .].

that's Jake's voice that groans, not Heath's.  I can tell by the sound of the voice.  It's right at the point where we see the extreme grimace on his face and contortion of his body.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TwistandShout on April 19, 2006, 01:17:03 PM
how about the groan Jack makes at the "climax" of the FNIT scene??

I'm trying to remember the FNIT scene. I know I hear Ennis groan when he climaxes. But I don't remember Jack's per se. And Jack is my boy! Help me out, bud [Lord, now I'm talkin' like them. . .].

that's Jake's voice that groans, not Heath's.  I can tell by the sound of the voice.  It's right at the point where we see the extreme grimace on his face and contortion of his body.

IMHO I swear I hear Ennis/Heath's timbre in that groan. Anybody else want to weigh in and convince me otherwise?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hifrommike65 on April 19, 2006, 01:25:45 PM
In the story Lureen says, "Jack kept most a his friends' addresses in his head."  In the 2005 published screenplay (got it finally!), she says, "Jack kept his friends' addresses in his head."  I think both imply that Lureen was aware that there were things going on in Jack's life she didn't have access to.  I saw nothing in either the story or film to suggest that she was aware of his relationships with men.  The film shows her as shocked to learn what the significance of Brokeback Mountain was, in fact.  She isn't friendly to Ennis, or fond of the memory of Jack, but she honors his friendship with Ennis & tells him what happened to the extent that she knew it.  (The SIGHT & SOUND review of the film calls the flashback to his murder "mutual" between her & Ennis, but I think that's a stretch.) 

Larry & Diana both said they did their level best to preserve the Proulx story as much as they possibly could.  There are differences in the two versions, though, & some significantly tilt the film in a different direction than the story is tilted IMHO.  The story (or book, as some here call it) was more downbeat than the film struck me, especially at the end.  But you have to read more of Proulx to realize that this story actually portrays on the more successful relationships she portrays.  The closest to romantic love in the rest of the CLOSE RANGE stories has a woman "falling in love" with a tractor that talks to her (at least in her mind).  & like Ennis says, "I ain't foolin'." 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hifrommike65 on April 19, 2006, 01:27:44 PM
In the story Lureen says, "Jack kept most a his friends' addresses in his head."  In the 2005 published screenplay (got it finally!), she says, "Jack kept his friends' addresses in his head."  I think both imply that Lureen was aware that there were things going on in Jack's life she didn't have access to.  I saw nothing in either the story or film to suggest that she was aware of his relationships with men.  The film shows her as shocked to learn what the significance of Brokeback Mountain was, in fact.  She isn't friendly to Ennis, or fond of the memory of Jack, but she honors his friendship with Ennis & tells him what happened to the extent that she knew it.  (The SIGHT & SOUND review of the film calls the flashback to his murder "mutual" between her & Ennis, but I think that's a stretch.) 

Larry & Diana both said they did their level best to preserve the Proulx story as much as they possibly could.  There are differences in the two versions, though, & some significantly tilt the film in a different direction than the story is tilted IMHO.  The story (or book, as some here call it) was more downbeat than the film struck me, especially at the end.  But you have to read more of Proulx to realize that this story actually portrays one the more successful relationships found in her Wyoming stories.  The closest to romantic love found in the rest of CLOSE RANGE has a woman "falling in love" with a tractor that talks to her (at least in her mind).  & like Ennis says, "I ain't foolin'." 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on April 19, 2006, 01:45:05 PM
how about the groan Jack makes at the "climax" of the FNIT scene??

I'm trying to remember the FNIT scene. I know I hear Ennis groan when he climaxes. But I don't remember Jack's per se. And Jack is my boy! Help me out, bud [Lord, now I'm talkin' like them. . .].

that's Jake's voice that groans, not Heath's.  I can tell by the sound of the voice.  It's right at the point where we see the extreme grimace on his face and contortion of his body.

IMHO I swear I hear Ennis/Heath's timbre in that groan. Anybody else want to weigh in and convince me otherwise?

"tell ya what, and I'll say it just once"  you're wrong!! ;)

I just don't see I'm convincable that it's anything but Jake.  It's his voice, his grimace, his contortioned body.  oh well, I can agree to disagree.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: levans645 on April 19, 2006, 01:50:25 PM
The film shows her as shocked to learn what the significance of Brokeback Mountain was, in fact.  She isn't friendly to Ennis, or fond of the memory of Jack, but she honors his friendship with Ennis & tells him what happened to the extent that she knew it.  (The SIGHT & SOUND review of the film calls the flashback to his murder "mutual" between her & Ennis, but I think that's a stretch.) 

yes, she is cordial and pleasant to Ennis up until that moment he says "no ma'am. we herded sheep one summer up on brokeback, back in '63."  that's when she started tearing up and that high pitched groaning.  she replies "well, he said it was his favorite place.  I thought he meant to get drunk.  He drank a lot."

I also believe this is where the theory that she had a hand in Jack's murder (assuming it is a murder) falls apart completely.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: mikelen on April 19, 2006, 06:13:40 PM
Wait, I missed one of my own favorites--the confirming growl Jack makes after Ennis says, "You may be a sinner but I haven't yet had the opportunity." Not only does Ennis say it in a flirtatious way, but Jack, I think, recognizes this fact with that growl. Which may account for his move in the tent that night.

how about the groan Jack makes at the "climax" of the FNIT scene??

I'm pretty slow I guess. I've been here for nearly two weeks and just figured out what FNIT and SNIT meant. Doh. ("Climax" was a big hint!)

My favorite line is from the story: "Never enough time." No matter your age, sex, orientation, religious beliefs, political pursuasion, nationality, disabilities or anything else, when love is involved, there's never enough time. To me, that's how this story and movie transcend the "gay cowboy story" cliche.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Willhoite on April 19, 2006, 07:08:46 PM
" . . . yet he is suffused with a sense of pleasure because Jack Twist was in his dream.

The stale coffee is boiling up but he catches it before it goes over the side, pours it into a stained cup and blows on the black liquid, lets a panel of the dream slide forward. If he does not force his attention on it, it might stoke the day, rewarm that old, cold time on the mountain when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong."

Those lines from the opening story in the book have a special meaning to me. And they seem to tell me that Ennis is going to get on with his life in the changing of locations and jobs, too.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: bbm4life on April 19, 2006, 10:18:26 PM
i know this is not a quote that is from the movie or film but i cant help but think of bbm everytime i hear it

i don't know if anyone has ever heard of the band jacks mannequin but there song "lights and buzz" says

"life has been no holiday a complicated situation I'm fine with all my memories
Still I could use vacation "

for many reasons

first off both jack and Ennis's love is a complicated situation and the second is"I'm fine with all my memories" for some reason it just put my mind right onto the postcard and the jacket in the closet and i wish i could just hear Ennis say these words as words of closure like he finally felt OK with he emotions
and the words vacation make me think of their trips to the mountain

i suggest all to download the song its good!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TwistandShout on April 20, 2006, 05:30:15 AM
The film shows her as shocked to learn what the significance of Brokeback Mountain was, in fact.  She isn't friendly to Ennis, or fond of the memory of Jack, but she honors his friendship with Ennis & tells him what happened to the extent that she knew it.  (The SIGHT & SOUND review of the film calls the flashback to his murder "mutual" between her & Ennis, but I think that's a stretch.) 

yes, she is cordial and pleasant to Ennis up until that moment he says "no ma'am. we herded sheep one summer up on brokeback, back in '63."  that's when she started tearing up and that high pitched groaning.  she replies "well, he said it was his favorite place.  I thought he meant to get drunk.  He drank a lot."

I also believe this is where the theory that she had a hand in Jack's murder (assuming it is a murder) falls apart completely.

These are points on which I agree with you completely, unlike earlier. After Ennis tells her about their herding sheep on Brokeback, all her artifice falls away when she realizes who Ennis is and what their relationship was. Heartbreak doesn't spare a single character in this film. Ah. life. . .
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Lance on April 20, 2006, 11:13:05 AM
i know this is not a quote that is from the movie or film but i cant help but think of bbm everytime i hear it

snipped

i suggest all to download the song its good!

why not post this on the 'Songs related to Brokeback' forum in the TV and Music section of the board? check it out, there's a lot of good related lyrics quoted over there. :)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: bbm4life on April 20, 2006, 12:29:12 PM
thank you! i didnt realize that forum was there! im a newbie haha
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Janie-G on April 21, 2006, 10:05:04 AM
Mine has to be,
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Truth is....sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it.
It,s said with such beautiful timing,such feeling and sincerity and such finality of how things are that I can hardly stand it either.What I would love to hear is Ennis, reply to that.What could he have said after such a frank, heartbreaking statement?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Texman on April 21, 2006, 09:31:03 PM
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Just dropping in here.....I've got a lot of favorite quotes from BBM but I have also noticed that some of them have entered my everyday speech at what I hope are appropriate points and directed often times at people who whold have no idea where they (the line or quote) comes from....I suspect this is the effect of seeing the film 11 or so times and listening to an unabridged audio book maby another 20x....Anyone else notice anything similar?  Or is it that you "ain't yet had the opportuinty"

Yeah, this has happened a couple of times to me, and I didn't even realize that I did it until afterward. And I don't usually use the word ain't, period. 

Used "It ain't gonna be that way", once and have used the "Can't stand it anymore" a few times.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Janie-G on April 22, 2006, 08:45:23 AM
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Just dropping in here.....I've got a lot of favorite quotes from BBM but I have also noticed that some of them have entered my everyday speech at what I hope are appropriate points and directed often times at people who whold have no idea where they (the line or quote) comes from....I suspect this is the effect of seeing the film 11 or so times and listening to an unabridged audio book maby another 20x....Anyone else notice anything similar?  Or is it that you "ain't yet had the opportuinty"

Yeah, this has happened a couple of times to me, and I didn't even realize that I did it until afterward. And I don't usually use the word ain't, period. 

Used "It ain't gonna be that way", once and have used the "Can't stand it anymore" a few times.
I play a little game when I,m talking to people.I see how many BBM quotes I can slip into the conversation ;D It,s amazing how many people don,t notice anything,especially when you consider I,m not American.It,s like a little secret world I inhabit and it makes me smile. ;)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on April 24, 2006, 10:01:39 AM
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I play a little game when I,m talking to people.I see how many BBM quotes I can slip into the conversation  It,s amazing how many people don,t notice anything,especially when you consider I,m not American.It,s like a little secret world I inhabit and it makes me smile.

I do that, too! Especially with my partner, because if I called attention to the fact that it was a Brokeback quote it would give him more evidence for his case that I have gone bonkers.

The other day we were touring a place and the tour guide pointed to the rubble of an old building and our tourguide said that some ranchhands had knocked over a lantern years ago and burnt it down.   I said to my partner " Ranch hands, they ain't never worth a damn."   

He didn't notice, and I just smiled.   :)

modified:  No wonder I didn't get a response.  I believe the line is really 'ranch stiffs ain't never no good."... (or at least that's closer, if it's not quite right)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Poohbunn on April 24, 2006, 12:00:08 PM
I have a few favorites that have stood the test of seeing BBM a few dozen times.

"Friend, that's more words than you've said in two weeks."
"You may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity."
"It could be like this, just like this, always."
"Ain't no reins on this one."
and my very favorite...
"You know. The truth is, sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."

Pooh
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Janie-G on April 24, 2006, 12:31:11 PM
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I play a little game when I,m talking to people.I see how many BBM quotes I can slip into the conversation  It,s amazing how many people don,t notice anything,especially when you consider I,m not American.It,s like a little secret world I inhabit and it makes me smile.

I do that, too! Especially with my partner, because if I called attention to the fact that it was a Brokeback quote it would give him more evidence for his case that I have gone bonkers.

The other day we were touring a place and the tour guide pointed to the rubble of an old building and our tourguide said that some ranchhands had knocked over a lantern years ago and burnt it down.   I said to my partner " Ranch hands, they ain't never worth a damn."   

He didn't notice, and I just smiled.   :)
Oh,thank God it,s not just me!I love it,don,t you?Sometimes it,s hard to keep a straight face when I,ve managed a really good one.You did really well to get in the ranch hands quote,"shit,that,s hard" ;D I,m thinking of awarding myself points and seeing if I can beat my own scores,or would that be too crazy?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on April 24, 2006, 01:19:49 PM
crazy?  Nah.....not crazy at all.  It's a damn fine idea.  ;) 

"You know husbands don't never seem to want to dance with their wives.   Why do you suppose that is, Jack?"

"I don't know... I never give it no thought."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: quijote on April 24, 2006, 07:02:18 PM
My favorite lines?

When they're not saying anything -- just kissing.



Aint't it the truth! Lately, I've fallen in love with all the nonverbal communication going on between the two. For example: early on on Brokeback, when Jack shoots Ennis that semi-embarassed [?] look when he's trying to get the mare under control as he heads back to the sheep [Jack's vulnerability there makes me melt]; that incipient, small smile on Jack's face when Ennis finally makes it back to camp after the bear incident and before Jack tries to slip into his angry mode; the wounded look on Jack's face when Ennis grabs the bandanna to clean his cut and bruises; that other smallish, very self-satisfied smile when Ennis finally opens up before Jack's "Friend, that the most words. . ." comment; Ennis's coquettish facial expression just before he says "Whut"; the way he says "Whut" [someone once said on a forum, "Wow, Ennis can flirt!]; Ennis's quick, teasing glance back to Jack when he remembers his daddy's comment about rodeo cowboys being "fuck-ups", then his confirming grunt back to Jack that says see-what-I-mean after Jack says "Like hell they are"; several of Jack's sighs--when he's peeling the potatoes and just can't bring himself to look, and when he's driving away and glances in his mirror to watch Ennis walking upon their return from the mountain; Jack's almost-begging expression when he asks if Ennis will do it again next summer just before he gets into the truck and drives away; Ennis's nuzzle that concludes the reunion kiss [this slays me]; Jack's wanting to continue the reunion kissing; Ennis's face as he looks heaven-ward; and Jack's stroking of Ennis's face in the same scene.

Other nonverbal, non-Jack-and-Ennis-scenes are Lureen's small but heart-wrenching groans in her conversation with Ennis [has brought me to tears every time I've seen it lately--God, the Oscars should give an award for individual scenes; I think Anne would have gotten it hands-down for this performance]; almost every expression Jack's mother makes; and the way Ennis's nostrils flare when he hears about other the fellow Jack was considering bringing up to Lightning Flat.

Just some of my favorites. Anyone, did I miss anything?
It is clear to me that you and I have seen the exact same film.  Bravo to all your "silent" and wordless references.  They, and all grunts, animal sounds, moans, groans and whimpers are indeed the best things about this movie, even though I love almost every word.  As to the groan in the FNIT, I agree with you that it was Ennis.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pinkey on April 24, 2006, 08:26:47 PM
i love alot of the quotes from the film but i'll name a few, "JACK FUCKIN TWIST" "YOU MAY BE A SINNER BUT I AINT YET HAD THE OPPORTUNITY" "WHAT YOU DOIN" "U KNOW FRIEND THIS IS A GODDAMN BITCH OF AN UNSATISFACTORY SITUATION" i could go on and on.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TwistandShout on April 25, 2006, 06:22:42 AM
My favorite lines?

When they're not saying anything -- just kissing.



Aint't it the truth! Lately, I've fallen in love with all the nonverbal communication going on between the two. For example: early on on Brokeback, when Jack shoots Ennis that semi-embarrassed [?] look when he's trying to get the mare under control as he heads back to the sheep [Jack's vulnerability there makes me melt]; that incipient, small smile on Jack's face when Ennis finally makes it back to camp after the bear incident and before Jack tries to slip into his angry mode; the wounded look on Jack's face when Ennis grabs the bandanna to clean his cut and bruises; that other smallish, very self-satisfied smile when Ennis finally opens up before Jack's "Friend, that the most words. . ." comment; Ennis's coquettish facial expression just before he says "Whut"; the way he says "Whut" [someone once said on a forum, "Wow, Ennis can flirt!]; Ennis's quick, teasing glance back to Jack when he remembers his daddy's comment about rodeo cowboys being "fuck-ups", then his confirming grunt back to Jack that says see-what-I-mean after Jack says "Like hell they are"; several of Jack's sighs--when he's peeling the potatoes and just can't bring himself to look, and when he's driving away and glances in his mirror to watch Ennis walking upon their return from the mountain; Jack's almost-begging expression when he asks if Ennis will do it again next summer just before he gets into the truck and drives away; Ennis's nuzzle that concludes the reunion kiss [this slays me]; Jack's wanting to continue the reunion kissing; Ennis's face as he looks heaven-ward; and Jack's stroking of Ennis's face in the same scene.

Other nonverbal, non-Jack-and-Ennis-scenes are Lureen's small but heart-wrenching groans in her conversation with Ennis [has brought me to tears every time I've seen it lately--God, the Oscars should give an award for individual scenes; I think Anne would have gotten it hands-down for this performance]; almost every expression Jack's mother makes; and the way Ennis's nostrils flare when he hears about other the fellow Jack was considering bringing up to Lightning Flat.

Just some of my favorites. Anyone, did I miss anything?
It is clear to me that you and I have seen the exact same film.  Bravo to all your "silent" and wordless references.  They, and all grunts, animal sounds, moans, groans and whimpers are indeed the best things about this movie, even though I love almost every word.  As to the groan in the FNIT, I agree with you that it was Ennis.



Why, thank kew [said in my best Wyomin' accent]. . .Quijote. I'm always amazed when I meet a kindred spirit--someone who sees and hears what I do. I DO love words--hell, I write professionally for a living. But, maybe, that's why I appreciate nonverbal communication so much. Words are qualifiers, limiting things. Expressions, groans and whimpers are much more honest so many times. And, thanks for the support in the Ennis/Jack moan debate. You know, just yesterday I watched the movie with close-caption. during the FNIT, it said at the scene's "climax", "Ennis groans" [or something to that effect]. For what it's worth.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: quijote on April 25, 2006, 09:46:03 AM


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Why, thank kew [said in my best Wyomin' accent]. . .Quijote. I'm always amazed when I meet a kindred spirit--someone who sees and hears what I do. I DO love words--hell, I write professionally for a living. But, maybe, that's why I appreciate nonverbal communication so much. Words are qualifiers, limiting things. Expressions, groans and whimpers are much more honest so many times. And, thanks for the support in the Ennis/Jack moan debate. You know, just yesterday I watched the movie with close-caption. during the FNIT, it said at the scene's "climax", "Ennis groans" [or something to that effect]. For what it's worth.
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For what it's worth, indeed.

I, too, worship at the altar of words.  But it's the silence around and between them that speaks the most powerfully.  When it's meant for us to read between the lines of words we get to the truth of a thing in the most direct way.  Words alone truly limit.  Mix them up with the sounds of silence or articulate noises and a few beautifully sculpted visuals and you've got some extremely affecting storytelling going on.  It's a full body experience.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on April 25, 2006, 11:00:23 AM
Janie-G and pwDay:

That makes 3 of us --

    here's my confession --  the other day my boss and I were talking about very rich people like bill gates and then I said, "if you got nothin', ya don't need nothin' "

all he said was -- that's so true - - -


I could have exploded.

I'm gonna turn this into a little game and see how many I can start using.  --   man, I'm really going bonkers now.  I also agree, especially with your partner, don't let them in on it because they will really think we've gone mad.   lol
cabin
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TwistandShout on April 25, 2006, 11:21:28 AM


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Why, thank kew [said in my best Wyomin' accent]. . .Quijote. I'm always amazed when I meet a kindred spirit--someone who sees and hears what I do. I DO love words--hell, I write professionally for a living. But, maybe, that's why I appreciate nonverbal communication so much. Words are qualifiers, limiting things. Expressions, groans and whimpers are much more honest so many times. And, thanks for the support in the Ennis/Jack moan debate. You know, just yesterday I watched the movie with close-caption. during the FNIT, it said at the scene's "climax", "Ennis groans" [or something to that effect]. For what it's worth.
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For what it's worth, indeed.

I, too, worship at the altar of words.  But it's the silence around and between them that speaks the most powerfully.  When it's meant for us to read between the lines of words we get to the truth of a thing in the most direct way.  Words alone truly limit.  Mix them up with the sounds of silence or articulate noises and a few beautifully sculpted visuals and you've got some extremely affecting storytelling going on.  It's a full body experience.

Very well put, Quijote. I think being Latin [in my case Italian] gives those of us who are a slight advantage, that "full body experience" you refer to. Not that most intelligent people can't deduce what's meant by a shrug and the like. . .or even by silences. But I've certainly gotten my training on the familial front line of nonverbal communication. Sometimes, bud, it's a matter of survival, especially in large families.

Getting back to some more endearing, wordless communication in the film. Another glance that bewitches me is when, up on Brokeback, Ennis, standing mid-stream, looks for Jack high up on the mountainside. I'd like to think that gaze speaks volumes about what Ennis really has come to feel for Jack--it's a look that connotes more than idle interest, no?, or am I seeing only what I want to see. This small scene, now one of my absolute favs, brings me to tears these days. But, what do you thing an earlier look that Ennis shoots Jack [of course, when Jack is riding away and doesn't see] means? You know, the one where Jack struggles to get the mare under control, glances at Ennis somewhat sheepishly [forgive the pun], and rides off. Is Ennis's modified double-take just one of concern at Jack's lack of "advanced" horse skills? It's the double-take that confounds me. Is this more than idle curiosity and an incipient sign of a deeper concern and care for Jack? That's what i want to believe. How about the looks both take of each other in Aguirre's trailer at the film's beginning. I think first Ennis takes Jack's measure with a quickie, then Jack does likewise, only Jack's is longer. 

The fine lines between curiosity, cruising, flirting, caring, then love, have always befuddled me. It's great to see a movie that explores these demarcations.

And, maybe, this post doesn't really belong here, but on the favorite scene thread.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on April 25, 2006, 11:27:50 AM
I have been on a BBM marathon over the past 5 days (including Sat and Sun) and have watched the movie about 8 times.  Call me crazy.

One scene that I've been analyzing is with Alma Jr. and her father.  I too believe that as soon as Ennis poses the question if Kurt loves her and she responds yes, Ennis looks out the window for what seems an eternity.  IMO, Ennis is reflecting on Jack's dreams and Jack's love for Ennis and realizing that as much as Jack loved him, he also loved Jack. 

In the same scene, he makes an abrupt decision to quit his job with a statement referring to his boss that they can find another ranchhand (sorry don't have the direct quote).  With his decision, Ennis affirms that we have to sacrifice some things when we love another person.  I think this particular scene is a defining moment in the Ennis character as it shows him with a more positive attitude about loving and being loved taking a different road.

Quitting his job was an admission that he had made a mistake in not trying to do something about Jack's and his relationship. . . and was not going to let that happen again.

cabin
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TwistandShout on April 25, 2006, 11:45:42 AM
I have been on a BBM marathon over the past 5 days (including Sat and Sun) and have watched the movie about 8 times.  Call me crazy.

One scene that I've been analyzing is with Alma Jr. and her father.  I too believe that as soon as Ennis poses the question if Kurt loves her and she responds yes, Ennis looks out the window for what seems an eternity.  IMO, Ennis is reflecting on Jack's dreams and Jack's love for Ennis and realizing that as much as Jack loved him, he also loved Jack. 

In the same scene, he makes an abrupt decision to quit his job with a statement referring to his boss that they can find another ranchhand (sorry don't have the direct quote).  With his decision, Ennis affirms that we have to sacrifice some things when we love another person.  I think this particular scene is a defining moment in the Ennis character as it shows him with a more positive attitude about loving and being loved taking a different road.

Quitting his job was an admission that he had made a mistake in not trying to do something about Jack's and his relationship. . . and was not going to let that happen again.

cabin

Ah, the power of redemption. A hint that Ennis has changed, that maybe his life isn't, or won't be, one of prolonged desolation. And how the film differed from the short story with its glimmer of hope.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on April 25, 2006, 12:20:28 PM
T&S

". . . glimmer of hope."

               I like that.

cabin
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Janie-G on April 26, 2006, 11:57:45 AM
Janie-G and pwDay:

That makes 3 of us --

    here's my confession --  the other day my boss and I were talking about very rich people like bill gates and then I said, "if you got nothin', ya don't need nothin' "

all he said was -- that's so true - - -


I could have exploded.

I'm gonna turn this into a little game and see how many I can start using.  --   man, I'm really going bonkers now.  I also agree, especially with your partner, don't let them in on it because they will really think we've gone mad.   lol
cabin
Hi cabin,glad to have you on board the quote game!It,s brilliant if you manage to get in a good one and nobody notices isn,t it?That was an excellent one you sprang on your boss.Today I managed,"No more beans",and"Fast or slow I just like the direction you,re going in".I did get a funny look from the person driving when I said the last one,but I think I just about got away with it! ;D I,m going to tick them off in the screenplay until I,ve done the whole damn thing.I can think of a few which are giong to be almost impossible,but I,ll give it a go.
Mad?Probably but most fun things ARE mad.
Janie
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Seom on April 28, 2006, 06:28:21 AM
There's been a lot of discussion on the fact that it's not the verbal part that's the favorite, but the nonverbal communication and as I watch the movie more and more I realize that I am in TOTAL agreement!

Usually when there's a movie I'm totally, completely and irriversibly obsessed with (like I am now with BBM) I write my favorite quotes from the movie all over paper. You should see what I did for BBM! Small handwriting over two full sheets, front and back. Yeah. But as time goes on and I try to think of my favorite parts to write while I'm sitting bored in school, I find my mind doesn't go to any lines, but to the look in Jack's face after Ennis kissed him in the reunion scene, to the SNIT kiss and to the memory scene. All of these nonverbal scenes that you just can't express on paper and it's totally killing me! Writing was the only way to relieve the longing feeling I get every time I think of the movie. Now that I'm not able to write it down, I'M GOING CRAZY WHEN I'M NOT WATCHING IT! I hum the music, I attempt to draw the scenes, but yeah... emphasis on attempt.

*sigh* Now all I've been able to doodle is J+E all over paper. Oh well. I'lll always cherish all those scenes anyway!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rockymountaingrrl on April 30, 2006, 12:03:37 PM
Janie-G and pwDay:

That makes 3 of us --

    here's my confession --  the other day my boss and I were talking about very rich people like bill gates and then I said, "if you got nothin', ya don't need nothin' "

all he said was -- that's so true - - -


I could have exploded.

I'm gonna turn this into a little game and see how many I can start using.  --   man, I'm really going bonkers now.  I also agree, especially with your partner, don't let them in on it because they will really think we've gone mad.   lol
cabin
Hi cabin,glad to have you on board the quote game!It,s brilliant if you manage to get in a good one and nobody notices isn,t it?That was an excellent one you sprang on your boss.Today I managed,"No more beans",and"Fast or slow I just like the direction you,re going in".I did get a funny look from the person driving when I said the last one,but I think I just about got away with it! ;D I,m going to tick them off in the screenplay until I,ve done the whole damn thing.I can think of a few which are giong to be almost impossible,but I,ll give it a go.
Mad?Probably but most fun things ARE mad.
Janie

Wow...NO WAY!  I am not the only one doing this?  Too funny.  I just got away with the following.  I was supposed to go to a party in a town a 2 hour drive away.  I told my husband: " I dont think I am going, 2 hours there and two back, I am communtin' 4 hours a day"

I did not get away with it...my husband is a screen writer and has nearly photographic memory for movie quotes.  I love the idea of crossing each quote you manage to get in out of the screen play....

Tanya
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rockymountaingrrl on April 30, 2006, 12:16:50 PM
Well, the best "verbal moment" for me is during the reunion scene when Jack says: Son of a bitch....They way he says it, it means everything...longing, joy at seeing Ennis again, joy at knowing the Ennis feels the same way, pain about their situation, amazement at the strength of his feelings and maybe a little anger at Ennis too...he could have gone back to Brokeback mountain the next summer after all.

That one sentence keeps playing through my mind.  Its not the works themselves but the emotion behind them ( at least how I interpret them)

And then from the screenplay I love this: "There were only the two of them on the
mountain, flying in the euphoric, bitter air, looking down on the hawk's
back and the crawling lights of vehicles on the plain below, suspended above
ordinary affairs and distant from tame ranch dogs barking in the dark hours."

To me that tells of the best time of their lives, the way that they were totally free up on brokeback, surrounded by wilderness and eachother...fantastic writing :)

Tanya
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Janie-G on May 01, 2006, 10:34:52 AM
Janie-G and pwDay:

That makes 3 of us --

    here's my confession --  the other day my boss and I were talking about very rich people like bill gates and then I said, "if you got nothin', ya don't need nothin' "

all he said was -- that's so true - - -


I could have exploded.

I'm gonna turn this into a little game and see how many I can start using.  --   man, I'm really going bonkers now.  I also agree, especially with your partner, don't let them in on it because they will really think we've gone mad.   lol
cabin
Hi cabin,glad to have you on board the quote game!It,s brilliant if you manage to get in a good one and nobody notices isn,t it?That was an excellent one you sprang on your boss.Today I managed,"No more beans",and"Fast or slow I just like the direction you,re going in".I did get a funny look from the person driving when I said the last one,but I think I just about got away with it! ;D I,m going to tick them off in the screenplay until I,ve done the whole damn thing.I can think of a few which are giong to be almost impossible,but I,ll give it a go.
Mad?Probably but most fun things ARE mad.
Janie

Wow...NO WAY!  I am not the only one doing this?  Too funny.  I just got away with the following.  I was supposed to go to a party in a town a 2 hour drive away.  I told my husband: " I dont think I am going, 2 hours there and two back, I am communtin' 4 hours a day"

I did not get away with it...my husband is a screen writer and has nearly photographic memory for movie quotes.  I love the idea of crossing each quote you manage to get in out of the screen play....

Tanya
Let,s go for it!Tell you what ( ;D) I reckon we might get in a good half.I have to report a major success with,"What exactly is the Pentecost".I never thought I,d manage that one but I had a God given opportunity this week and did it.
Janie
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on May 01, 2006, 11:51:52 AM
I got an "I did once" in yesterday.   ;)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rockymountaingrrl on May 01, 2006, 11:58:08 AM
Let,s go for it!Tell you what ( ;D) I reckon we might get in a good half.I have to report a major success with,"What exactly is the Pentecost".I never thought I,d manage that one but I had a God given opportunity this week and did it.
Janie
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That cracks me up!  :D  so what exactly IS the pentecost? 

Tanya
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hifrommike65 on May 01, 2006, 12:05:54 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecost

Pentecostal churches tend to take "filled with the Holy Spirit" literally & their members sometimes start "speaking in tongues" during church services.  Sometimes they're called "holy rollers" because they lose conscious control & start flailing about.  Somehow I can't see Jack's mother doing that, though!   ;)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on May 01, 2006, 02:36:03 PM
I got an "I did once" in yesterday.   ;)

pwday:

   that's a great one   - - I love it.  I'll have to try for that one.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on May 01, 2006, 02:51:24 PM
Wow...NO WAY!  I am not the only one doing this?  Too funny.  I just got away with the following.  I was supposed to go to a party in a town a 2 hour drive away.  I told my husband: " I dont think I am going, 2 hours there and two back, I am communtin' 4 hours a day"

I did not get away with it...my husband is a screen writer and has nearly photographic memory for movie quotes.  I love the idea of crossing each quote you manage to get in out of the screen play....

Tanya

Tanya:  "commutin'"  great use of it, too bad your husband  "caught you".  What did he say?

cabin
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on May 01, 2006, 02:53:28 PM
Janie-G:

Great one on the Pentacost -- I'don't know if I will ever get that one.

cabin
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on May 01, 2006, 03:01:45 PM
OK, here is mine from this weekend.

Went to our cabin this weekend (gay campsite in Texas) and on Saturday morning my Jack and I were with other fellas by the kitchens having our coffee.  A good friend of ours, who loves telling stories, was talking about growing up in Missouri and all the things he had to do so early in the morning.  Learning from his grandfather and father how to take care of the cows and pigs and such.

I looked at him and said "you from ranch people?"    Wow what a rush.

He responded. "sure 'nough".

I casually glanced at my Jack across from the bench table, and I swear he knew what I was up to, but he didn't say anything.

I don't have the guts to bring it up to him - I know he'll try to commit me.      lol

cabin
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on May 01, 2006, 03:25:03 PM
good one, Cabin!

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I casually glanced at my Jack across from the bench table, and I swear he knew what I was up to, but he didn't say anything.

I don't have the guts to bring it up to him - I know he'll try to commit me.      lol

That is my situation exactly. :-)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on May 01, 2006, 03:26:27 PM
...and, it's been mentioned a number of times now, but just before Jack delivers that "Friend, that's more words..." line, Ennis is looking at him and Jack's got the slightest smile on his face, and Ennis says "Whut?"     That's the moment that I first fell in love with Ennis, and I have a feeling that made Jack melt, too.

pwday:

I agree, Ennis' "questioning" glance at Jack was incredibly revealing. 

Ennis realized at that point, that Jack had noticed something on a "personal level" about him and now threw the "whut" up to Jack.  Of course, after Jacks statement "Friend, that's . . ."   Ennis is, IMHO, saying to Jack, "You've made me confortable to talk about myself, and am happy to do so."  by retorting "that's more words . . . 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hifrommike65 on May 01, 2006, 04:03:52 PM
That sly smile that keeps hovering on Jack's face is one of the very best things in this film.  Not a quote, because it doesn't need words.  But many of the best moments in this film are nonverbal. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on May 01, 2006, 04:08:50 PM
When Ennis respons to Cassie's:  "Ennis del Mar, I Just don't get you."


Ennis responds,   "I'm Sorry."

   Kills me evertime.   Next time any of you watch the movie -- look at how he delivers the line -- his whole heart shows.


Damm.

cabin
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rockymountaingrrl on May 01, 2006, 04:10:59 PM
Wow...NO WAY!  I am not the only one doing this?  Too funny.  I just got away with the following.  I was supposed to go to a party in a town a 2 hour drive away.  I told my husband: " I dont think I am going, 2 hours there and two back, I am communtin' 4 hours a day"

I did not get away with it...my husband is a screen writer and has nearly photographic memory for movie quotes.  I love the idea of crossing each quote you manage to get in out of the screen play....

Tanya

Tanya:  "commutin'"  great use of it, too bad your husband  "caught you".  What did he say?

cabin

He just smiled and shook his head  But then later he in bed he said: "not so lonely now, is it?"  ;D He loves BBM but he more loves movie quotes and likes that he can share these with me now.  All his quotes from Princess Bride are mostly lost on me  ;)

Tanya
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rockymountaingrrl on May 01, 2006, 04:13:56 PM


I looked at him and said "you from ranch people?"    Wow what a rush.

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OMG!  That is fantastic!  Thats the best one... I am all giddy just reading it!

Tanya
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on May 01, 2006, 04:56:34 PM
Tanya:

I was just driving home thinking about the "you from ranch people?" line, and I must have sounded awfully funny to some of the other guys at the table.  We were about 8 of us.  I guess people just don't speak in that manner.  Anyway,I  had great time doing it, but even a greater time sharing it with you all.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on May 01, 2006, 05:03:21 PM
He just smiled and shook his head  But then later he in bed he said: "not so lonely now, is it?"  ;D He loves BBM but he more loves movie quotes and likes that he can share these with me now.  All his quotes from Princess Bride are mostly lost on me  ;)

Tanya

"not so lonely now, is it?" --  good for him -- even better for you.

cabin
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rockymountaingrrl on May 01, 2006, 07:34:22 PM


"not so lonely now, is it?" --  good for him -- even better for you.

cabin
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 ;)

Tanya
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Janie-G on May 02, 2006, 07:58:57 AM
Wow,fabulous quotes everyone.I am seriously impressed!We,re on a roll here,"there ain,t no reins on this one" ;D
I wanted to comment on this too
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...and, it's been mentioned a number of times now, but just before Jack delivers that "Friend, that's more words..." line, Ennis is looking at him and Jack's got the slightest smile on his face, and Ennis says "Whut?"     That's the moment that I first fell in love with Ennis, and I have a feeling that made Jack melt, too.

pwday:

I agree, Ennis' "questioning" glance at Jack was incredibly revealing. 

Ennis realized at that point, that Jack had noticed something on a "personal level" about him and now threw the "whut" up to Jack.  Of course, after Jacks statement "Friend, that's . . ."   Ennis is, IMHO, saying to Jack, "You've made me confortable to talk about myself, and am happy to do so."  by retorting "that's more words . . . 
How true this is.Maybe this is the first time anyone had been interested to hear what Ennis had to say,and he blossoms.I think the look of compassion and tenderness on Jack,s face during this scene says more than pages of dialogue.Wonderful!
Janie
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Laurentia on May 02, 2006, 12:35:30 PM

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I play a little game when I,m talking to people.I see how many BBM quotes I can slip into the conversation  It,s amazing how many people don,t notice anything,especially when you consider I,m not American.It,s like a little secret world I inhabit and it makes me smile.

I have one planned. I'm doing a project at college, which means I'm soon going to stand at the front of the class and rant about medical applications of laser technology for fifteen minutes, in English (not my native/everyday language). I dearly hope that somebody will ask what happens if the laser is accidentally tuned to the wrong frequency or something, so I can say "Well, then you've got yourself a goddam bitch of an unsatisfactory situation".

My boyfriend also gets his share of quotations thrown after him. He tends to be bitching about things, and if there's nothing else, there's always the dishwasher, which has been broken for a year or so. We've tried to mend it, but we couldn't figure it out. He does most of the dishes - because he can't cook worth a damn and I'm not doing all the household chores myself, no way - and once a week or so he's frustrated because the dishwasher doesn't work. To which I answer (say it with me, boys and girls):
"If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it"

Being vegetarian, I also quite often get to tell people I'll stick with beans.



...I'll stop now.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: pwday on May 02, 2006, 12:45:07 PM
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Being vegetarian, I also quite often get to tell people I'll stick with beans.
   LOL... I'll bet you do.  :)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on May 02, 2006, 02:50:53 PM
also gets his share of quotations thrown after him. He tends to be bitching about things, and if there's nothing else, there's always the dishwasher, which has been broken for a year or so. We've tried to mend it, but we couldn't figure it out. He does most of the dishes - because he can't cook worth a damn and I'm not doing all the household chores myself, no way - and once a week or so he's frustrated because the dishwasher doesn't work. To which I answer (say it with me, boys and girls):
"If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it"

Being vegetarian, I also quite often get to tell people I'll stick with beans.



...I'll stop now.

lol . . .

  I bet he is "pretty good with a can opener", huh?                     

  --    Which reminds me, Jack was really not that good with a can opener.  Remember how he manages to get beans all over him when he was trying to open it?

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rockymountaingrrl on May 02, 2006, 03:35:13 PM
                 

  --    Which reminds me, Jack was really not that good with a can opener.  Remember how he manages to get beans all over him when he was trying to open it?


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yeah...but look the position he is in...nice pose but not condusive to opening cans I would say....  :)

Tanya
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on May 02, 2006, 06:06:44 PM
                 

  --    Which reminds me, Jack was really not that good with a can opener.  Remember how he manages to get beans all over him when he was trying to open it?


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yeah...but look the position he is in...nice pose but not condusive to opening cans I would say....  :)

Tanya

Great observation -- I'd had trouble also.  lol
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: JeffG on May 02, 2006, 07:44:17 PM
My favorite is what Jack whispers to Ennis in the motel scene... Something like, "I redlined it all the way here, couldn't get here fast enough"..

I can't understand the first part of what he says, maybe someone can fill me in?
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Lance on May 02, 2006, 07:56:22 PM
My favorite is what Jack whispers to Ennis in the motel scene... Something like, "I redlined it all the way here, couldn't get here fast enough"..

I can't understand the first part of what he says, maybe someone can fill me in?


something like this: ''Swear to god I didn't know we was goin a get into this again -- yeah, I did. Why I'm here. I fuckin knew it. Redlined all the way, couldn't get here fast enough."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hifrommike65 on May 02, 2006, 09:21:46 PM
ENNIS  Hmm.  The Army didn't get you?

JACK  No, too busted up.  And that rodeoin' ain't like it was in my daddy's day.  Got out while I could still walk.  Swear to god I didn't know we was going to get into this again.   Hell, yes I did.  I red-lined it all the way, and couldn't get here fast enough. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Janie-G on May 03, 2006, 05:06:14 AM

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I play a little game when I,m talking to people.I see how many BBM quotes I can slip into the conversation  It,s amazing how many people don,t notice anything,especially when you consider I,m not American.It,s like a little secret world I inhabit and it makes me smile.

I have one planned. I'm doing a project at college, which means I'm soon going to stand at the front of the class and rant about medical applications of laser technology for fifteen minutes, in English (not my native/everyday language). I dearly hope that somebody will ask what happens if the laser is accidentally tuned to the wrong frequency or something, so I can say "Well, then you've got yourself a goddam bitch of an unsatisfactory situation".

My boyfriend also gets his share of quotations thrown after him. He tends to be bitching about things, and if there's nothing else, there's always the dishwasher, which has been broken for a year or so. We've tried to mend it, but we couldn't figure it out. He does most of the dishes - because he can't cook worth a damn and I'm not doing all the household chores myself, no way - and once a week or so he's frustrated because the dishwasher doesn't work. To which I answer (say it with me, boys and girls):
"If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it"

Being vegetarian, I also quite often get to tell people I'll stick with beans.



...I'll stop now.
I wish there was an emoticon for "rolls around the floor laughing"!Those were amazing.Please let us know if you manage to do the "goddam bitch.........." one.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TwistandShout on May 03, 2006, 05:21:55 AM

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I play a little game when I,m talking to people.I see how many BBM quotes I can slip into the conversation  It,s amazing how many people don,t notice anything,especially when you consider I,m not American.It,s like a little secret world I inhabit and it makes me smile.

I have one planned. I'm doing a project at college, which means I'm soon going to stand at the front of the class and rant about medical applications of laser technology for fifteen minutes, in English (not my native/everyday language). I dearly hope that somebody will ask what happens if the laser is accidentally tuned to the wrong frequency or something, so I can say "Well, then you've got yourself a goddam bitch of an unsatisfactory situation".

My boyfriend also gets his share of quotations thrown after him. He tends to be bitching about things, and if there's nothing else, there's always the dishwasher, which has been broken for a year or so. We've tried to mend it, but we couldn't figure it out. He does most of the dishes - because he can't cook worth a damn and I'm not doing all the household chores myself, no way - and once a week or so he's frustrated because the dishwasher doesn't work. To which I answer (say it with me, boys and girls):
"If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it"

Being vegetarian, I also quite often get to tell people I'll stick with beans.



...I'll stop now.
I wish there was an emoticon for "rolls around the floor laughing"!Those were amazing.Please let us know if you manage to do the "goddam bitch.........." one.

"Well, i won't." Stick with beans or stop the quotes.
A friend was telling me about a party he went to over the weekend, and I managed to sneak in, "That's some  high-class entertainment if you ask me." He got the reference and laughed.

About "Well, I won't." Loved, loved, loved it when Jack says that to Ennis. Loved Jack's willfulness in that scene. And the adamant look that goes along with the insistence makes me melt. The statement sums up for me what i like best about Jack--that he is sweet, thoughtful, compromising, willing to please--even assume the passive role in sex--but will stick to his guns when he feels he must. My God, just about the ideal partner! Who couldn't fall in love with him!!
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Laurentia on May 03, 2006, 11:34:04 PM
I wish there was an emoticon for "rolls around the floor laughing"!Those were amazing.Please let us know if you manage to do the "goddam bitch.........." one.

Thanks! I didn't think anyone would find my post that funny, the moment I hit "post" I thought, "why am I boring other people with this?"  :P

Quote from: Cabin

I bet he is "pretty good with a can opener", huh?

Hasn't quite mastered the can opener, but he's a real wizard with the microwave oven  :)
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Janie-G on May 04, 2006, 02:47:53 PM
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I wish there was an emoticon for "rolls around the floor laughing"!Those were amazing.Please let us know if you manage to do the "goddam bitch.........." one.

Thanks! I didn't think anyone would find my post that funny, the moment I hit "post" I thought, "why am I boring other people with this?"  :P
Not funny??They were hilarious!Keep up the good work.
For reasons I won,t bore you with I went out today dressed in a purple sweater and a red cowboy hat.Of course the hat caused a lot of hilarity and comments on cowboys which gave me the opportunity to get in."YEE HAW" I enjoyed that.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Janie-G on May 04, 2006, 02:53:36 PM

About "Well, I won't." Loved, loved, loved it when Jack says that to Ennis. Loved Jack's willfulness in that scene. And the adamant look that goes along with the insistence makes me melt. The statement sums up for me what i like best about Jack--that he is sweet, thoughtful, compromising, willing to please--even assume the passive role in sex--but will stick to his guns when he feels he must. My God, just about the ideal partner! Who couldn't fall in love with him!!
Oh yes,yes,yes!!!He is just the sweetest guy with that little stubborn streak.Absolutely devastating.I certainly fell in love with him,from a great height.
Janie
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: hifrommike65 on May 04, 2006, 05:31:16 PM
Those early scenes are prophetic of Ennis trying to adjust to what Jack wants.  He's willing to ask for soup even though he doesn't eat it.  He's willing to shoot the elk, when on his own he would have continued to eat beans.  He'll do anything Jack wants, in fact, except give him what he really wants--a lifetime with him.  That leads directly to the final, devastating line from the film: "Jack, I swear." 
Title: dropping quotes into everyday conversations
Post by: Marc on May 04, 2006, 11:25:25 PM
It's so nice to find soulmates who also look for opportunities to quote movies, and BBM in particular.  Here are some of my ideas, which, like most of my ideas, never come to pass.  Keep in mind that when I plan these things and the one that really happened, I try to do it w/ the BBM accent.

Friends and I are at a restaurant, and someone asks if I'm planning on having the rack of lamb.  I say, "We're supposed to guard the sheep, not eat 'em! ... I'll stick with beans."

I find myself on the third date with a new guy, and we get back to my place and our clothes are off.  He asks, "What about a condom?"  And I say, "If you don't want no more of my kids, I'll be happy to leave you alone."

I'm very undomestic and don't entertain.  But for those who do, after dinner say to a guest, "Want a cup of coffee, don't you?  Piece of cherry cake?" 

And here's something that really happened.  The opening I got wasn't perfect, but close enough.  A friend and I were discussing that I use the treadmill at the gym and park my car near the gym in the morning, which is 3/4 mile from the office.  So I do a lot of walking.  After a pause and pondering the segue, I said, "I'm commutin' four hours a day.  I come in for breakfast.  I go back to the sheep.  Evening get 'em bedded down.  Come in for supper.  Go back to the sheep.  Spend half the night checkin' for damn coyotes.  Aguirre got no right makin' me do this."  It happened to be one of the speeches I'd make an effort to memorize.  My friend was impressed.

As I'm sure everyone feels, BBM is full of lines you want to roll around in your mouth and brain and enjoy.  And the accents are so good and so much a part of the BBM experience.

My favorite line, and I'm not alone:  "Tell you what ... [5.5-second pause] ... the truth is ... [7-second pause] ... sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."  That's as close as Jack can come to telling Ennis he loves him, and it always chokes me up.

A major difference between the story and screenplay is the addition of Ennis's breakdown the next day following "I wish I knew how to quit you."  His "Why don't  you?" speech, ending in "I just can't stand this anymore, Jack" is as close as Ennis can come to telling Jack he loves him.  And of course, it always has me in tears.  My God, what acting, and what writing.

Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: TwistandShout on May 05, 2006, 05:50:27 AM
Those early scenes are prophetic of Ennis trying to adjust to what Jack wants.  He's willing to ask for soup even though he doesn't eat it.  He's willing to shoot the elk, when on his own he would have continued to eat beans.  He'll do anything Jack wants, in fact, except give him what he really wants--a lifetime with him.  That leads directly to the final, devastating line from the film: "Jack, I swear." 

V E R Y nicely said!
Title: Re: dropping quotes into everyday conversations
Post by: cabin on May 05, 2006, 02:09:19 PM
It's so nice to find soulmates who also look for opportunities to quote movies, and BBM in particular.  Here are some of my ideas, which, like most of my ideas, never come to pass.  Keep in mind that when I plan these things and the one that really happened, I try to do it w/ the BBM accent.

Friends and I are at a restaurant, and someone asks if I'm planning on having the rack of lamb.  I say, "We're supposed to guard the sheep, not eat 'em! ... I'll stick with beans."

I find myself on the third date with a new guy, and we get back to my place and our clothes are off.  He asks, "What about a condom?"  And I say, "If you don't want no more of my kids, I'll be happy to leave you alone."

I'm very undomestic and don't entertain.  But for those who do, after dinner say to a guest, "Want a cup of coffee, don't you?  Piece of cherry cake?" 
. . . . .

I'm running out of answers to my co-workers when they say "What's so funny?"  Sometimes I wish I could just read all the posts to them, however, they haven't seen the movie.            You certainly got some chuckles out of me this Friday Afternoon.

cabin
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cabin on May 05, 2006, 02:17:30 PM
I've got one I used during lunch today.

Last night the San Antonio area got hugh thunderstorms with lots of rain, lightning and hail.    We all had varying sizes of hail -- well you know which one I used by now, right?

Some were talking about dime size, marble size, and I said, hell our hail was big -- size of apples.

They all sat there, stared at me and immediately accused me of exaggerating -- I wonder if Ennis was also exaggerating. 

I was beaming inside having "had the opportunity" .  lol

cabin.


Title: Re: dropping quotes into everyday conversations
Post by: Laurentia on May 06, 2006, 12:55:01 AM
I find myself on the third date with a new guy, and we get back to my place and our clothes are off.  He asks, "What about a condom?"  And I say, "If you don't want no more of my kids, I'll be happy to leave you alone."
I'd love to see his face if you ever get this one in  ;D  His reaction would be a clear indication whether he was worth seeing again, don't you think?
 
As I"m sure everyone feels, BBM is full of lines you want to roll around in your mouth and brain and enjoy.  And the accents are so good and so much a part of the BBM experience.
So true. One or two lines a week stick to my brain and I compulsively repeat them under my breath when nobody's around, just because of the feel of the accents: the "Chilean sheep", the "one curve in the road", the "spittn' image of his grempaw". Normally, though, I quote BBM in my normal British/Swedish accent, because I don't trust my cowboy talk.

My favorite line, and I'm not alone:  "Tell you what ... [5.5-second pause] ... the truth is ... [7-second pause] ... sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."  That's as close as Jack can come to telling Ennis he loves him, and it always chokes me up.

A major difference between the story and screenplay is the addition of Ennis's breakdown the next day following "I wish I knew how to quit you."  His "Why don't  you?" speech, ending in "I just can't stand this anymore, Jack" is as close as Ennis can come to telling Jack he loves him.  And of course, it always has me in tears.  My God, what acting, and what writing.

I still haven't been able to pick a favourite line, but yes, this one - and the whole scene - is beyond words.
Title: Re: dropping quotes into everyday conversations
Post by: Janie-G on May 06, 2006, 05:37:44 AM

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My favorite line, and I'm not alone:  "Tell you what ... [5.5-second pause] ... the truth is ... [7-second pause] ... sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it."  That's as close as Jack can come to telling Ennis he loves him, and it always chokes me up.

A major difference between the story and screenplay is the addition of Ennis's breakdown the next day following "I wish I knew how to quit you."  His "Why don't  you?" speech, ending in "I just can't stand this anymore, Jack" is as close as Ennis can come to telling Jack he loves him.  And of course, it always has me in tears.  My God, what acting, and what writing.

I agree,that,s as close as they can get to actually telling each other.That in itself is a tragedy.And after that incredible scene,when we think the pathos can,t get any greater,we get the postcard,the phone call,the visit to Jack,s parents,the shirts,and finally,"Jack I swear....."You got it right,"what acting and what writing".I,ve never been put through an emotional battering like this by any movie,play or book.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: royandronnie on May 06, 2006, 03:28:40 PM
Here I go again. This is addictive… Yay.

I won't do quotes from the movie, I'm sure that since this thread started all of mine have been selected many times, though "Tell you what…miss you so much…" is certainly high up there, and like others, I quote lots of the lines just because I like to "roll them around." Strangely, the one I seem to do most is "…but you didn't want it, Ennis!" and the rest of that speech.

Here are my favorite quotes, from the story, all images:

Top pick: "The wind strikes the trailer like a load coming off a dump truck…" Wow. What an image. As a writer myself, I am so jealous.

"…a flinty wind worked over the meadow, scraped the fire low, then ruffled it into yellow silk sashes." Ditto.

"Even when the numbers were right, Ennis knew the sheep were mixed. In a disquieting way, everything seemed mixed."

"…they packed in the game and moved off the mountain with the sheep, stones rolling at their heels, purple cloud crowding in from the west and the metal smell of coming snow pressing them on. The mountain boiled with demonic energy, glazed with flickering broken-cloud light, the wind combed the grass and drew from the damaged krummholtz and slit rock a bestial drone. As they descended the slope, Ennis felt he was in a slow-motion, headlong, irreversible fall." Yowza. Divine retribution? Ennis' torment? Both? You decide.

"[Jack's] shaking hand grazed Ennis's hand, electrical current snapped between them. … From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood, Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking." (Pity this wasn't in the movie. Not hard to do.)

"They set up camp without saying much…Jack broke the seal…took a long, hot swallow, exhaled forcefully, said 'that's one a the two things I need right now…'" (Wish this one had been in there, too.)

"[Ennis] was cutting fence now, trespassing in the shoot-em zone."

"[Jack] had stanched the blood that was everywhere, all over both of them,with his shirtsleeve, but the stanching hadn't held because Ennis had suddenly swung from the deck and laid the ministering angel out in the wild columbine, wings folded." Amen. I am humbled.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Seom on May 07, 2006, 01:26:16 PM
I've already done my favorite movie quotes but ever since I've bought the book I've found myself reciting some of those quotes to myself just as much as the movie. My absolute fav:

"...it got a be all that time a yours ahorseback makes it so damn good." -Jack

Love it! So sweet! and then theres:

"I like doing it with women, yeah, but... ain't nothing like this. I never had no thoughts a doin it with another guy except I sure wrang it out a hundred times thinkin about you." -Ennis

I guess I love these lines because they're being so open with each other. It doesn't happen often, but there are always these sweet moments speckled throughout the book that just put a smile on my face.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: JeffG on May 08, 2006, 03:23:21 AM
I agree about Ennis's "That's one a the two things I need right now" line to Jack, when Jack offers him some whiskey..  Classic, it should've been left in the film.

I also love this insight Proulx gives us during the reunion scene:

"...then, and easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths came together..."
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Janie-G on May 08, 2006, 03:37:55 AM
I agree about Ennis's "That's one a the two things I need right now" line to Jack, when Jack offers him some whiskey..  Classic, it should've been left in the film.

I also love this insight Proulx gives us during the reunion scene:

"...then, and easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths came together..."

I think that line could have been left in,it fits right in with the style of the remarks between them.If Jack had said it what,s the betting Ennis would have replied with one of his enigmatic silences!Wasn,t the phrase about the locks used as a direction in the screenplay?I lent my copy out and I can,t quite remember.It,s an incredible description of two people absolutely made for each other.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: JeffG on May 08, 2006, 04:00:15 AM
I also love this insight Proulx gives us during the reunion scene:

"...then, and easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths came together..."

I think that line could have been left in,it fits right in with the style of the remarks between them.If Jack had said it what,s the betting Ennis would have replied with one of his enigmatic silences!Wasn,t the phrase about the locks used as a direction in the screenplay?I lent my copy out and I can,t quite remember.It,s an incredible description of two people absolutely made for each other.
I don't have my copy of the short story handy either, but DaveC quotes it as being from the book not the screenplay:
http://www.davecullen.com/brokebackmountain/book_film.html
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: JeffG on May 08, 2006, 04:11:50 AM
Found this link, the line is from Proulx's original story:

http://home.earthlink.net/~chicagoblt/broke.htm
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cubistboy on May 08, 2006, 05:29:36 PM
One of my most often used movie lines during the day isn't from Jack or Ennis, but from on of the many great songs in the film.

Something/anything "moves a might slow" from the song "A pistol is the devil's right hand".

Also like "smiles alot"
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: cubistboy on May 08, 2006, 05:39:26 PM
Does anyone know why the Allman Brother's "Sweet Melissa"  which was in the movie, but not on the soundtrack?  I was very disappointed as this song really sets a loving , longing mood.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Janie-G on May 09, 2006, 10:10:18 AM
I also love this insight Proulx gives us during the reunion scene:

"...then, and easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths came together..."



Hi Jeff.Thanks for the two links,much appreciated.I got my copy of the screenplay back (eventually!) and there it was.Ossana and McMurtry have borrowed the  line from Annie,s story as a direction.It,s to be found on p.46 of my copy and goes,
"Then Ennis looks around.Pulls Jack over to a small gangway.Shoves him up against the wall.
Then,as easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers their mouths come together"
Isn,t that great?It,s such a perfect,perfect description that obviously nothing they could write would do the job better.I love it,don,t you?At the moment,that,s my favourite scene.That little whispered "Son of a bitch" just tears me up every time.
Janie
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: JeffG on May 09, 2006, 11:26:40 AM
I also love this insight Proulx gives us during the reunion scene:

"...then, and easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths came together..."


Hi Jeff.Thanks for the two links,much appreciated.I got my copy of the screenplay back (eventually!) and there it was.Ossana and McMurtry have borrowed the  line from Annie,s story as a direction.It,s to be found on p.46 of my copy and goes,
"Then Ennis looks around.Pulls Jack over to a small gangway.Shoves him up against the wall.
Then,as easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers their mouths come together"
Isn,t that great?It,s such a perfect,perfect description that obviously nothing they could write would do the job better.I love it,don,t you?At the moment,that,s my favourite scene.That little whispered "Son of a bitch" just tears me up every time.
Janie
I do love it.  Annie has such a gift for this.  In fact when I need a little Brokeback to cheer up a miserable day I find myself going back to Annie's short story more than the DVD.  All things considered I prefer the way BBM is told in written form.
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: sunnysdc on May 09, 2006, 07:57:48 PM
I love the line when Ennis tells Jack about the gut cramps he had after they parted that first summer and he says "I shouldn`t a let you out a my sights."  Wish they would`ve put that in the movie.  I think it`s the closest Ennis comes to telling Jack that he loves him. 
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: Janie-G on May 10, 2006, 08:45:56 AM
I also love this insight Proulx gives us during the reunion scene:

"...then, and easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers, their mouths came together..."


Hi Jeff.Thanks for the two links,much appreciated.I got my copy of the screenplay back (eventually!) and there it was.Ossana and McMurtry have borrowed the  line from Annie,s story as a direction.It,s to be found on p.46 of my copy and goes,
"Then Ennis looks around.Pulls Jack over to a small gangway.Shoves him up against the wall.
Then,as easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers their mouths come together"
Isn,t that great?It,s such a perfect,perfect description that obviously nothing they could write would do the job better.I love it,don,t you?At the moment,that,s my favourite scene.That little whispered "Son of a bitch" just tears me up every time.
Janie
I do love it.  Annie has such a gift for this.  In fact when I need a little Brokeback to cheer up a miserable day I find myself going back to Annie's short story more than the DVD.  All things considered I prefer the way BBM is told in written form.
I totally understand what you say.I tend to carry the book around and have a sneak read if I have a spare half hour or if I need a sanity break.I think Annie has a rare gift for economy of expression.She seems to be able to say more in a couple of sentences than most authors can in pages.I think she works hard to get it just right.I remember her writing that the dozy embrace scene took ages to reach perfection.I think she,s amazing.I hope you,re having a cheerful day,not a miserable one!
Janie
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: heavysigh on May 11, 2006, 12:42:23 PM
One of my most often used movie lines during the day isn't from Jack or Ennis, but from on of the many great songs in the film.

Something/anything "moves a might slow" from the song "A pistol is the devil's right hand".

Also like "smiles alot"

My first pistol was a cap and ball colt
She shoots as fast as lightening but she loads a might slow
She loads a mite slow and soon I found out
She can get ye into trouble but she can't get ye out!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: ConstantReader on May 11, 2006, 06:29:10 PM
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Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: rockymountaingrrl on May 14, 2006, 12:41:49 PM
That little whispered "Son of a bitch" just tears me up every time.
Janie
Quote

God...me too....fantstic....I just keep repeating that in my head...and out load when I am by myslef in the car or something, thrying to get it just right :)

Tanya
Title: Re: What is Your Favorite Quote From the Film or Story?
Post by: djbdc9 on May 20, 2006, 09:31:25 AM
I love the line when Ennis tells Jack about the gut cramps he had after they parted that first summer and he says "I shouldn`t a let you out a my sights."  Wish they would`ve put that in the movie.  I think it`s the closest Ennis comes to telling Jack that he loves him. 

Same here.  Wish that line was there in the motel scene.  Without it Ennis stays that extra bit of distance away from Jack.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Stubaby on May 26, 2006, 07:05:43 PM
goddam Jack fuckin Twist, got it all figured out don't ya
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: hpv on May 27, 2006, 05:22:19 AM

From the short story:

What could he say? "Alma, this is Jack Twist, Jack, my wife Alma." His chest
was heaving. He could smell Jack, the intensely familiar odor of cigarettes,
musky sweat and a faint sweetness like grass, and with it the rushing cold of
the mountain. "Alma," he said, "Jack and me ain't seen each other in four
years." As if it were a reason. He was glad the light was dim on the landing
but did not turn away from her.
"Sure enough," said Alma in a low voice. She had seen what she had seen.
Behind her in the room lightning lit the window like a white sheet waving and
the baby cried.
"You got a kid?" said Jack. His shaking hand grazed Ennis's hand, electrical
current snapped between them.
"Two little girls," Ennis said. "Alma Jr. and Francine. Love them to pieces."
Alma's mouth twitched.
"I got a boy," said Jack. "Eight months old. Tell you what, I married a cute
little old Texas girl down in Childress -- Lureen." From the vibration of the
floorboard on which they both stood Ennis could feel how hard Jack was
shaking.


I'm  sorry -I could not leave any word out, so I paste it  all
 :o
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: hpv on May 29, 2006, 11:56:03 AM
C'mon now, you're sleepin' on your feet like a horse

Jack fuckin' Twist.

Tell you what. The truth is... sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it.

God damn bitch of an unsatisfactory situation.

There ain't no reins on this one.

If you can't fix it, you gotta stand it.

You have no idea how bad it gets!

Sonofawhoreson bitch!

I wish I knew how to quit you.

"Jesus Christ,Ennis quit hammerin and get over here


Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: HR on May 29, 2006, 09:45:23 PM
"...sendin' up a prayer of thanks..."

    Though Ennis then insults Jack's harmonica for the third time, we all know what the prayer of thanks is for. And the expression Ennis has is pleasure bordering on ecstasy.

    I'm late to this thread, so I missed putting in my two cents about weaving Brokeback quotes into normal conversation. I've done it, but only with "Tell you what" and "You bet". I've had the opportunity recently to be working with some important tests and was hoping that I could use "This is a goddam bitch of an unsatisfactory situation", but it ended up that I would have been required to break something myself. But I sincerely weighed the loss of job with the joy of demented victory. I still want to know how one of our fellow posters was able to work the "Pentecost" into normal conversation.

    I guess there ain't no rules on this one, but I think it's important if the receiving parties do not acknowledge the quote. Do we get extra points for certain hard-to-place ones? "Pentecost" is an example. But surely "Wrang it out a hunderd times" and "Gun's goin' off" would deserve special credit.

    Sorry for rambling. Damn, I love this movie.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: hifrommike65 on May 30, 2006, 02:55:46 PM
I used the following line from Ennis in a conversation at work the other day: "About all the travelin' I ever done is around a coffeepot, lookin' for the handle." 
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: hpv on May 31, 2006, 12:23:53 AM
From the story:

"  In a disquieting way , everything seemed mixed. "      ??? (after the sheep mix)

" felt he could paw the white out of the moon. "
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on May 31, 2006, 05:49:28 AM
The look from Ennis to Jack that accompanies this great line, "You may be a sinner but I ain't yet had the opportunity," makes me drool from various orifices, if you get my drift.

Great line. Greater delivery. Greatest flirt in the film.
Grrrrrr. . .
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on May 31, 2006, 09:05:13 AM
I used the following line from Ennis in a conversation at work the other day: "About all the travelin' I ever done is around a coffeepot, lookin' for the handle." 

I haven't been around here for awhile, glad to hear you got the old "coffeepot, lookin' for the handle." quote in.  That's one I haven't tried..

cabin
Title: Using quotes in daily conversation
Post by: Marc on May 31, 2006, 09:10:01 AM
May I have the "Duh" award for Wednesday?  After seeing the film 15 times in the theaters and maybe 6 times at home, it wasn't until I read HR's post on page 41 that it occurred to me that I could use "Gun's goin' off" when I, um, well, at an appropriate moment.  And I'm not bragging when I say I've had at least one of those moments since I first saw the film in December.  I promise to use it at my next opportunity.  I'm glad, though, that that line wasn't in the movie, because I think people would have laughed.  Also, it makes better dramatic sense for there to be no dialogue once the sex gets started.  That non-talking segues nicely into the next morning, when Ennis tries to get away before either he or Jack says something.

Here's another one.  Never was "Son of a bitch" said w/ more joy in films than when Jack says it.  It would be cheap to get BBM quotation credit whenever you say that phrase, but if you ever say it happily, your score goes up by one.

BTW, I think my DVD is starting to get laser rot.  It got completely screwed up at the start of the scene w/ Alma Jr. and Cassie.  I skipped forward to the next chapter (beginning of last trip on the mountain) and everything was fine.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Lisbeth on May 31, 2006, 10:21:55 AM

From the short story:

What could he say? "Alma, this is Jack Twist, Jack, my wife Alma." His chest
was heaving. He could smell Jack, the intensely familiar odor of cigarettes,
musky sweat and a faint sweetness like grass, and with it the rushing cold of
the mountain. "Alma," he said, "Jack and me ain't seen each other in four
years." As if it were a reason. He was glad the light was dim on the landing
but did not turn away from her.
"Sure enough," said Alma in a low voice. She had seen what she had seen.
Behind her in the room lightning lit the window like a white sheet waving and
the baby cried.
"You got a kid?" said Jack. His shaking hand grazed Ennis's hand, electrical
current snapped between them.
"Two little girls," Ennis said. "Alma Jr. and Francine. Love them to pieces."
Alma's mouth twitched.
"I got a boy," said Jack. "Eight months old. Tell you what, I married a cute
little old Texas girl down in Childress -- Lureen." From the vibration of the
floorboard on which they both stood Ennis could feel how hard Jack was
shaking.


I'm  sorry -I could not leave any word out, so I paste it  all
 :o

Thank you. That's my favorite, too. When watching the film the second time I kind of missed this intensity in this scene. When reading the book, it touched me so much, I started shaking, too.

I think this is the only scene that touched me more reading the book than seeing the film.

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: danac on May 31, 2006, 02:00:45 PM
Far too many favorites to list here, but among the top:

"Brokeback got us good, don't it"

and from the story,

"This ain't no little thing that's happenin' here."

"...a companion where none had been expected."
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TomS on May 31, 2006, 03:36:25 PM
Where to start...?  So many we've used in conversation..."the condiments aisle"..."friend"..."sure 'nough"..."Ennis---DEL MAR"...."what are you waiting for cowboy, a matin' call?"...."boy, you are in a hurry"..."nobody's business but ours"..."no more beans"..."Jack f***ing Twist" (substitute any name)..."it could be like this"..."he's the fishin' buddy"..."nice to know you Ennis Del Mar" (substitute any name)..."lively little gal"..."time to get goin, cowboy"..."piece a cherry cake"...

But the line that is most bittersweet, and fills me with a sense of peace and acceptance, is "you come back and see us again", from Jack's mother to Ennis. What gay son or daughter doesn't long to hear those words?
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on May 31, 2006, 07:53:49 PM
Where to start...?   . . . snip
But the line that is most bittersweet, and fills me with a sense of peace and acceptance, is "you come back and see us again", from Jack's mother to Ennis. What gay son or daughter doesn't long to hear those words?

TomS:

I hadn't realized the impact of Jack's mother quote had on me, till you brought it up.  No wonder I felt that I wanted to reach into the movie and give her a huge hug and to tell her that everything was going to be all right, despite everything.  Thank you....

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: daphne on June 01, 2006, 06:15:40 AM
I have a plan. I'm moving into a new house in a few weeks. I'm sure that at some point my husband will say "the bookshelf/the closet/the dresser etc. don't look right". And I'll answer "ain't goin' nowhere. Let it be!". I'll be very proud of myself  ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Laurentia on June 01, 2006, 08:07:53 AM
I have a plan. I'm moving into a new house in a few weeks. I'm sure that at some point my husband will say "the bookshelf/the closet/the dresser etc. don't look right". And I'll answer "ain't goin' nowhere. Let it be!". I'll be very proud of myself  ;D

Go for it, Daphne! And if your husband leaves the house before you do in the morning, don't forget to call "See you for supper" after him, looking appropriately miserable.

(I accidentally did that myself the other day  :o)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: daphne on June 01, 2006, 09:46:40 AM
Go for it, Daphne! And if your husband leaves the house before you do in the morning, don't forget to call "See you for supper" after him, looking appropriately miserable.

(I accidentally did that myself the other day  :o)

Accidentally? ::) ... I don't know if I believe you...  ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Laurentia on June 01, 2006, 10:08:01 AM
Go for it, Daphne! And if your husband leaves the house before you do in the morning, don't forget to call "See you for supper" after him, looking appropriately miserable.

(I accidentally did that myself the other day  :o)

Accidentally? ::) ... I don't know if I believe you...  ;)

When the movie takes over your subconscious, anything can come forward on occasion and have you go, "Wait, what did I just say?". Just you wait until you get there yourself  :D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on June 01, 2006, 01:18:32 PM
daphne and Laurentia:

"See you for supper" and  ". . . let it be!"

Those are some nice onece, I'll have to get those in myself, somewhere.

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on June 02, 2006, 06:36:32 AM
Hello fellow quoters.
Mr G. and I were driving along yesterday on our way to see the DaVinci Code (not very good actually) and we passed an exhibition of tents.To my astonishment I heard my hubby say,"Tent don,t look right".Well,I nearly fell out of the car but somehow I pulled myself together and replied....."It ain,t goin nowhere."
Do I get double pionts here?
Janie.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Laurentia on June 02, 2006, 07:41:19 AM
Hello fellow quoters.
Mr G. and I were driving along yesterday on our way to see the DaVinci Code (not very good actually) and we passed an exhibition of tents.To my astonishment I heard my hubby say,"Tent don,t look right".Well,I nearly fell out of the car but somehow I pulled myself together and replied....."It ain,t goin nowhere."
Do I get double pionts here?
Janie.

I definitely think you do, especially if Mr G. isn't a fan.
Maybe we should set up some rules and start counting points for real?  ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on June 02, 2006, 11:20:52 AM
Janie-G:

Absolutely yes.  What a coup!  -- I'll have to start listenting for more than just openers -- "there ain't no reins on this one."

cabin
Title: What to say re food
Post by: Marc on June 02, 2006, 11:27:23 AM
I used this one last weekend.  Friends and I were at a cabin in the mountains, where no one had been since last fall.  I was looking in the cupboard where the canned goods, Ramen, etc., are kept.  And I said, "Well, we gotta do somethin' 'bout this food situation.  Maybe I'll shoot one of the sheep."  My friends laughed.

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on June 02, 2006, 01:00:40 PM
Marc:

Love it -- what a kick.  Careful this can become habit forming. lol



cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on June 02, 2006, 01:51:44 PM
Hello fellow quoters.
Mr G. and I were driving along yesterday on our way to see the DaVinci Code (not very good actually) and we passed an exhibition of tents.To my astonishment I heard my hubby say,"Tent don,t look right".Well,I nearly fell out of the car but somehow I pulled myself together and replied....."It ain,t goin nowhere."
Do I get double points here?
Janie.

I definitely think you do, especially if Mr G. isn't a fan.
Maybe we should set up some rules and start counting points for real?  ;D
Well,bless him,he likes it a lot but without the obsession.One in a family,s enough!It would be entertaining to have a points system.Shall we go for it?
quote cabin
Quote
Janie-G:

Absolutely yes.  What a coup!  -- I'll have to start listenting for more than just openers -- "there ain't no reins on this one."
Thanks Cabin.I bet I never get a double score again!
Janie
 
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Junior on June 03, 2006, 08:12:12 AM
If you have a minute follow this link to the Book Project. KittyHawk has asked for some ideas for illustrations including requests for quotes and key moments to give the artists some inspiration. We could use some help. This link will explain what is needed. What are you waiting for, cowboy...a matin' call?

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=8935.825



(I've never come here before today - I sure need to get out more! I thought I was the only one quoting dialogue throughout the day even though I should know by now that I'm not the only one doing or thinking or feeling anything around here. ;))

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Gonzo on June 03, 2006, 08:13:35 PM
Hello fellow quoters.
Mr G. and I were driving along yesterday on our way to see the DaVinci Code (not very good actually) and we passed an exhibition of tents.To my astonishment I heard my hubby say,"Tent don,t look right".Well,I nearly fell out of the car but somehow I pulled myself together and replied....."It ain,t goin nowhere."
Do I get double pionts here?
Janie.

Next ya gotta get him to say "That harmonica don't sound quite right either."  LMAO
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: 1224butternut on June 03, 2006, 09:29:03 PM
"You been to Mexico, Jack Twist?  Huh?" because it is a turning point.  Ennis shows his concern that Jack is not faithful and it crushes me every time I here him say it.  Their knowledge about their relationship changes after this point.  Let the tears roll.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: daphne on June 05, 2006, 05:26:29 AM
Hello fellow quoters.
Mr G. and I were driving along yesterday on our way to see the DaVinci Code (not very good actually) and we passed an exhibition of tents.To my astonishment I heard my hubby say,"Tent don,t look right".Well,I nearly fell out of the car but somehow I pulled myself together and replied....."It ain,t goin nowhere."
Do I get double pionts here?
Janie.

Great, Janie! I'm envious  ;D But I admit you deserve double points  :D

Yesterday was Pentecost, did someone use the occasion?  ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: danac on June 05, 2006, 06:38:19 AM


Yesterday was Pentecost, did someone use the occasion?  ;)

I asked my neighbor " What exactly is the Pentacost?"...but she didn't see the movie so she didn't laugh, although she launched into a big explanation...which I tuned out! ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Gonzo on June 05, 2006, 07:25:47 AM


Yesterday was Pentecost, did someone use the occasion?  ;)

I asked my neighbor " What exactly is the Pentacost?"...but she didn't see the movie so she didn't laugh, although she launched into a big explanation...which I tuned out! ;D

That's what ya get for sticking yer nose in other people's business.   :P :P :P
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: danac on June 05, 2006, 07:33:35 AM


Yesterday was Pentecost, did someone use the occasion?  ;)

I asked my neighbor " What exactly is the Pentacost?"...but she didn't see the movie so she didn't laugh, although she launched into a big explanation...which I tuned out! ;D

That's what ya get for sticking yer nose in other people's business.   :P :P :P

Bwah! :D
Title: Once in a while
Post by: Marc on June 05, 2006, 11:07:48 AM
The next time someone uses "once in a wihle" in conversation, I'll give serious thought to saying, "Once in a while ... ever' four fuckin' years?"  One of my very favorite lines in the movie.

And--this is something of a stretch--if someone asks if I've been to a country, I could say, "Hell yes, I've been to [country].  Is that a fuckin' problem?"

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on June 05, 2006, 11:20:24 AM


Yesterday was Pentecost, did someone use the occasion?  ;)

I asked my neighbor " What exactly is the Pentacost?"...but she didn't see the movie so she didn't laugh, although she launched into a big explanation...which I tuned out! ;D
Well, if that ain't a "be careful what you wish for" kind of moment.  ::)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: danac on June 05, 2006, 02:04:27 PM

I asked my neighbor " What exactly is the Pentacost?"...but she didn't see the movie so she didn't laugh, although she launched into a big explanation...which I tuned out! ;D
Well, if that ain't a "be careful what you wish for" kind of moment.  ::)

You said it...and if she'd known I was quoting BBM, she would have fainted dead away probably!!! :D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: daphne on June 06, 2006, 01:39:30 AM


Yesterday was Pentecost, did someone use the occasion?  ;)

I asked my neighbor " What exactly is the Pentacost?"...but she didn't see the movie so she didn't laugh, although she launched into a big explanation...which I tuned out! ;D

LOL! Same here  ;D I asked the same question and I got a neverending explanation  ;D


The next time someone uses "once in a wihle" in conversation, I'll give serious thought to saying, "Once in a while ... every four fuckin' years?"  One of my very favorite lines in the movie.

And--this is something of a stretch--if someone asks if I've been to a country, I could say, "Hell yes, I've been to [country].  Is that a fuckin' problem?"



Marc, these are very good ideas   ;)  OMG, I love this game  ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Gonzo on June 06, 2006, 04:18:34 AM
Okay, you enquiring minds.  What exactly is the Pentecost, I mean, my folks, they was Catholic.   ;) ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: daphne on June 06, 2006, 04:32:53 AM
Okay, you enquiring minds.  What exactly is the Pentecost, I mean, my folks, they was Catholic.   ;) ;)

Don't you know? It's when the world ends and fellas like you and me march off to hell...  ;D  It's the Holy Ghost descending upon the Apostles  :)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Gonzo on June 06, 2006, 04:35:59 AM
Okay, you enquiring minds.  What exactly is the Pentecost, I mean, my folks, they was Catholic.   ;) ;)

Don't you know? It's when the world ends and fellas like you and me march off to hell...  ;D  It's the Holy Ghost descending upon the Apostles  :)

You may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity.  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: daphne on June 06, 2006, 04:41:02 AM
Okay, you enquiring minds.  What exactly is the Pentecost, I mean, my folks, they was Catholic.   ;) ;)

Don't you know? It's when the world ends and fellas like you and me march off to hell...  ;D  It's the Holy Ghost descending upon the Apostles  :)

You may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity.  ;) ;)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on June 06, 2006, 04:42:00 AM
Okay, you enquiring minds.  What exactly is the Pentecost, I mean, my folks, they was Catholic.   ;) ;)

Don't you know? It's when the world ends and fellas like you and me march off to hell...  ;D 
You may ALL be sinners so I'd like to have the opportunity with each and every one of you.  ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: daphne on June 06, 2006, 04:58:05 AM
Okay, you enquiring minds.  What exactly is the Pentecost, I mean, my folks, they was Catholic.   ;) ;)

Don't you know? It's when the world ends and fellas like you and me march off to hell...  ;D 
You may ALL be sinners so I'd like to have the opportunity with each and every one of you.  ;)

TwistandShout Nasty  ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Marc on June 06, 2006, 08:28:41 AM
And if someone asks me what I do for a living, I could say, "Earlier today I was castratin' calves."  It may be hard to do that convincingly, since I work in San Francisco.

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: danac on June 06, 2006, 08:31:27 AM
And if someone asks me what I do for a living, I could say, "Earlier today I was castratin' calves."  It may be hard to do that convincingly, since I work in San Francisco.



Yeah...that might be a stretch, Marc ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Caroline on June 06, 2006, 08:33:09 AM
Good one Marc,

yeah that would be kinda hard to pull over if you spent your entire life in San Fran... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Gonzo on June 06, 2006, 08:38:05 AM
I don't know, those San Franciscans are known for their outre sexual activities.  You could be employed by a sex club that specializes in beastiality and perhaps the proclivities of some patrons requires watching the castration of male farm animals.  Ya never know!?   :o :o :o
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Caroline on June 06, 2006, 08:43:09 AM
UUGGHHH......yuck...
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Gonzo on June 06, 2006, 08:59:43 AM
Okay, back to the topic at hand.  My favorite quote is the following.

"There were only the two of them on the mountain, flying in the euphoric, bitter air, looking down on the hawk's back and the crawling lights of vehicles on the plain below, suspended above ordinary affairs and distant from tame ranch dogs barking in the dark hours.  They believed themselves invisible..."

Why, you ask?  I believe the whole story is built on this line.  It really describes what the love they experienced was about.  If you read it sort of semi-literally, they fly and think themselves invisible.  What, but an overwhelming passion for each other could do this.  Take two relatively sane individuals and make them ignore/forget the laws of nature.  Even read metaphorically, what could possibly make them think this was happening.  They were so deep into each other that they didn't care about the outside world because the only world they had was each other.  The rest of the story is there to bring us to this understanding of their love.  This line is a grain of sand that gets into an oyster, the rest of the story is the pearl that accretes around that grain of sand.  Without it, there is no story.  IMO of course.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: danac on June 06, 2006, 09:03:15 AM
Okay, back to the topic at hand.  My favorite quote is the following.

"There were only the two of them on the mountain, flying in the euphoric, bitter air, looking down on the hawk's back and the crawling lights of vehicles on the plain below, suspended above ordinary affairs and distant from tame ranch dogs barking in the dark hours.  They believed themselves invisible..."

Why, you ask?  I believe the whole story is built on this line.  It really describes what the love they experienced was about.  If you read it sort of semi-literally, they fly and think themselves invisible.  What, but an overwhelming passion for each other could do this.  Take two relatively sane individuals and make them ignore/forget the laws of nature.  Even read metaphorically, what could possibly make them think this was happening.  They were so deep into each other that they didn't care about the outside world because the only world they had was each other.  The rest of the story is there to bring us to this understanding of their love.  This line is a grain of sand that gets into an oyster, the rest of the story is the pearl that accretes around that grain of sand.  Without it, there is no story.  IMO of course.

Ahhhh...well thought out and beautifully said! :-*
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Marc on June 06, 2006, 09:45:20 AM
I don't know, those San Franciscans are known for their outre sexual activities.  You could be employed by a sex club that specializes in beastiality and perhaps the proclivities of some patrons requires watching the castration of male farm animals.  Ya never know!?   :o :o :o

Well, that does remind me of the time a friend invited me to one of those outre south-of-Market (sex) clubs.  He described it as featuring sado-masochism, necrophilia and bestiality.  I said I'd pass, because that just sounded like beating a dead horse. 
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Gonzo on June 06, 2006, 10:34:26 AM
I don't know, those San Franciscans are known for their outre sexual activities.  You could be employed by a sex club that specializes in beastiality and perhaps the proclivities of some patrons requires watching the castration of male farm animals.  Ya never know!?   :o :o :o

Well, that does remind me of the time a friend invited me to one of those outre south-of-Market (sex) clubs.  He described it as featuring sado-masochism, necrophilia and bestiality.  I said I'd pass, because that just sounded like beating a dead horse. 

Very well put.  LOL.  Now, I've never been to a sex club (yeah, right) so I would have no first hand knowledge of any of those things!! ::) ::)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on June 06, 2006, 02:35:48 PM
I don't know, those San Franciscans are known for their outre sexual activities.  You could be employed by a sex club that specializes in beastiality and perhaps the proclivities of some patrons requires watching the castration of male farm animals.  Ya never know!?   :o :o :o

Well, that does remind me of the time a friend invited me to one of those outre south-of-Market (sex) clubs.  He described it as featuring sado-masochism, necrophilia and bestiality.  I said I'd pass, because that just sounded like beating a dead horse. 
Ha ha!!Hilarious. ;D Maybe we could start a new game....quoting each other.I absolutely have to use that one somewhere. ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: danac on June 06, 2006, 02:50:14 PM
He described it as featuring sado-masochism, necrophilia and bestiality.  I said I'd pass, because that just sounded like beating a dead horse. 


Bwah! I know funny...and THAT'S funny! ;D
Thanks for the laugh, Marc.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Marc on June 08, 2006, 09:05:45 AM
A post on the Book Project thread made me realize something.  Ennis says "What're you doin'?" twice.  First:  FNIT, I think just before Jack unbuckles his belt.  Second: first scene with Cassie, when she puts her feet in his lap.  Another masterful touch from the screenwriters.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on June 08, 2006, 01:07:29 PM
A post on the Book Project thread made me realize something.  Ennis says "What're you doin'?" twice.  First:  FNIT, I think just before Jack unbuckles his belt.  Second: first scene with Cassie, when she puts her feet in his lap.  Another masterful touch from the screenwriters.
Well I never noticed that before!
I,ve noticed something similar.In the opening scene when they,re exchanging names,Jack has to work hard to get,"Del Mar",out of Ennis.Later when being dragged onto the dance floor by Cassie he replies to her line",I,m Cassie,Cassie Cartwright" by a very emphatic,"Ennis.......DEL MAR"There,s that wonderful pause and the emphasis on the surname.I swear he,s remembering that first time.Or could it be that Ennis is,at last aquiring some social skills? :D
Janie
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Marc on June 08, 2006, 01:45:29 PM
Janie-G.  Thank you for pointing that out.  Yes, I'd noticed that parallel in the film fairly early in my BBM career  ... and then forgot about it when "What're you doin'?" came to my notice.  Yesterday's senior moment, except I'm lucky if there's only one of them per day these days.

As I've said in other threads and perhaps this one:  Nothing--but nothing--in this movie happens by accident.  I realize it's a rhetorical flourish, but all these details that fit together like a Swiss watch ...


Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on June 08, 2006, 01:50:07 PM
I swear he's remembering that first time. Or could it be that Ennis is at last acquiring some social skills?
Yes. And yes.

See, you can train horses that have low startle points!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Gonzo on June 08, 2006, 03:34:27 PM
A post on the Book Project thread made me realize something.  Ennis says "What're you doin'?" twice.  First:  FNIT, I think just before Jack unbuckles his belt.  Second: first scene with Cassie, when she puts her feet in his lap.  Another masterful touch from the screenwriters.
Well I never noticed that before!
I,ve noticed something similar.In the opening scene when they,re exchanging names,Jack has to work hard to get,"Del Mar",out of Ennis.Later when being dragged onto the dance floor by Cassie he replies to her line",I,m Cassie,Cassie Cartwright" by a very emphatic,"Ennis.......DEL MAR"There,s that wonderful pause and the emphasis on the surname.I swear he,s remembering that first time.Or could it be that Ennis is,at last aquiring some social skills? :D
Janie

Janie,

I think you're absolutely right.  I made the same observation a while back.  I thought that line indicates some improvement in Ennis's social skills.  All thanks to Jack Twist.   :-* :-*
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Marc on June 09, 2006, 08:34:54 AM
I won't quote myself, but my earlier observation that Ennis says "What're you doin'?' twice was off by one.  He says it a third time, when Jack is taking down the tent.  But we still have it twice in sexual contexts.

I watched it at home again last night.  Next Tuesday, I'll see it at the Castro Theatre.  For all the 15 times I saw it in theaters, the screens were small.  But next week, it'll be big.  I can't wait.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on June 09, 2006, 08:45:14 AM
Janie-G.  Thank you for pointing that out.  Yes, I'd noticed that parallel in the film fairly early in my BBM career  ... and then forgot about it when "What're you doin'?" came to my notice.  Yesterday's senior moment, except I'm lucky if there's only one of them per day these days.

As I've said in other threads and perhaps this one:  Nothing--but nothing--in this movie happens by accident.  I realize it's a rhetorical flourish, but all these details that fit together like a Swiss watch ...
What was I going to say.......?Senior moments,tell me about them!
I think that I,m only now,after umpteen viewings beginning to fully appreciate the truth of what you say about the glorious precision fit of the details.Every single thing is there by design and for a meaning.
Quote TwistandShout
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See, you can train horses that have low startle points!
 
I,ll have to remember that! :D
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I think you're absolutely right.  I made the same observation a while back.  I thought that line indicates some improvement in Ennis's social skills.  All thanks to Jack Twist.   
I agree he,d never have thought to do that BJ...before Jack.What makes me smile about that line is the tone of resignation in his voice.It,s almost,"Here we go again!"as he,s reluctantly dragged into another relationship.In fact,he,s never the instigator is he?It makes me wonder how,in God,s name he ever got engaged to Alma.By smoke signals?
Janie

 



Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on June 09, 2006, 01:12:23 PM
This is not an absolute fav of mine, but I did find the irony delicious when Fayette Newsome, Lureen's mom, says about her new grandson, "Look at those eyes." You never really see Bobby's there but the next beautiful ones you do see are Jack's as he's standing in the doorway.

Just look at those BEAUTIFUL eyes, indeed!  Forever.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Marc on June 09, 2006, 09:53:55 PM
This is not an absolute fav of mine, but I did find the irony delicious when Fayette Newsome, Lureen's mom, says about her new grandson, "Look at those eyes." You never really see Bobby's there but the next beautiful ones you do see are Jack's as he's standing in the doorway.

Just look at those BEAUTIFUL eyes, indeed!  Forever.

Excellent observation!  And who was that recent poster who said nothing in this film happens by accident?  Oh, it was me.

I had another thought, and maybe the screenwriters didn't think of this one.  OK, Bobby has Jack's eyes.  Jack is dead, but lives on both in his son generally and in the beautiful eyes Bobby inherited from him.  Sounds a bit silly, come to think of it.

The best shot of Jack's eyes is when he pauses after taking the rope off the saddle, before heading off to lasso Ennis.

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: john john on June 10, 2006, 12:17:46 PM
There are a lot of beautiful shots of Jack, but the one where he's alone in Aguirre's trailer the second summer looking for a job and Ennis
just brakes me up. 
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on June 10, 2006, 12:40:59 PM
Excellent observation!  And who was that recent poster who said nothing in this film happens by accident?  Oh, it was me.

I had another thought, and maybe the screenwriters didn't think of this one.  OK, Bobby has Jack's eyes.  Jack is dead, but lives on both in his son generally and in the beautiful eyes Bobby inherited from him.  Sounds a bit silly, come to think of it.

The best shot of Jack's eyes is when he pauses after taking the rope off the saddle, before heading off to lasso Ennis.


Ding, ding, ding, ding. And we have a winner. Marc, you are absolutely correct. When it comes to certain things, you and I have the highest poweres of observation, huh?!?
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on June 10, 2006, 12:45:19 PM
There are a lot of beautiful shots of Jack, but the one where he's alone in Aguirre's trailer the second summer looking for a job and Ennis
just brakes me up. 
And he's absolutely stunning that scene too. Not even humiliation coming from that a**hole detracts. Respectful throughout, that look he gives Aguirre is heart-wrenching.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on June 11, 2006, 06:06:01 AM
Coming back to the idea that there are recurring elements in the dialogue,how about this one?

Ennis;If you can,t fix it you gotta stand it.
Jack;Truth is.....sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it.
Ennis;I honestly can,t stand this any more Jack.
Isn,t this a wonderful little study of two people coming to the end of their respective tethers?I can,t find the last one in either the story or screenplay and I,m wondering if it,s yet another of Heath Ledger,s inspired little improvisations?
In the quotey game,do non verbal ones count?Let me explain.Yesterday,a kind man stood aside for me to get my cycle past him on a narrow track.Instead of saying the usual thanks,I was a bit disconcerted to find I,d done the Lureen thing.You know when Jack hands her back her hat and she winks and makes that little clicking noise?
Does it count?
Janie
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Gonzo on June 11, 2006, 06:58:53 AM
Coming back to the idea that there are recurring elements in the dialogue,how about this one?

Ennis;If you can,t fix it you gotta stand it.
Jack;Truth is.....sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it.
Ennis;I honestly can,t stand this any more Jack.
Isn,t this a wonderful little study of two people coming to the end of their respective tethers?I can,t find the last one in either the story or screenplay and I,m wondering if it,s yet another of Heath Ledger,s inspired little improvisations?
In the quotey game,do non verbal ones count?Let me explain.Yesterday,a kind man stood aside for me to get my cycle past him on a narrow track.Instead of saying the usual thanks,I was a bit disconcerted to find I,d done the Lureen thing.You know when Jack hands her back her hat and she winks and makes that little clicking noise?
Does it count?
Janie

I think it counts.  I have dogs and am always doing the clicking noise and I am always brought back to that scene.  Good observation.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on June 11, 2006, 01:54:44 PM
Oh, thanks for that.Ten points then!That clicking noise is a sort of dogs/horse thing isn,t it?Mr G.thinks perhaps I ought to be careful how I dole out the winks,but I,m ignoring it.
Janie.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on June 12, 2006, 08:00:35 AM
Janie:

Right after reading your "wink and a click" post, I said -- oh oh , flirty - which was the original intention of Laureen.

However, I'd go for it -- the feeling to slip the "wink and a click" get's you extra point.

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on June 13, 2006, 03:58:36 AM
Janie:

Right after reading your "wink and a click" post, I said -- oh oh , flirty - which was the original intention of Laureen.

However, I'd go for it -- the feeling to slip the "wink and a click" get's you extra point.

cabin
cabin:
To be honest I did feel maybe I shouldn,t have done it.The click was ok but the  ;) was a bit .....well,flirty!It,s interesting how parts of this movie,like certain quotes and seemed to have seeped into our unconscious behaviour or vocabulary.It,s got under our skin,hasn,t it,in an extraordinary way.
Janie
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: danac on June 13, 2006, 07:06:05 AM
I was at a party on Saturday night - all the guests were talking about summer projects on their weekend places and the fact that it was already 10 June...
Someone said " I  just don't have enough time."
And, I said, "Never enough time, never enough."   Only one person got the reference, she smiled at me...and I winked back. It was a great little moment... :D

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on June 13, 2006, 08:24:57 AM
I was at a party on Saturday night - all the guests were talking about summer projects on their weekend places and the fact that it was already 10 June...
Someone said " I  just don't have enough time."
And, I said, "Never enough time, never enough."   Only one person got the reference, she smiled at me...and I winked back. It was a great little moment... :D



dnac:

Congrats  -- extra points for only 1 person catching on --  love the smile and wink back to ya.

winking back at you,

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: danac on June 13, 2006, 08:27:34 AM
I was at a party on Saturday night - all the guests were talking about summer projects on their weekend places and the fact that it was already 10 June...
Someone said " I  just don't have enough time."
And, I said, "Never enough time, never enough."   Only one person got the reference, she smiled at me...and I winked back. It was a great little moment... :D



dnac:

Congrats  -- extra points for only 1 person catching on --  love the smile and wink back to ya.

winking back at you,

cabin

 :-*
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: ConstantReader on June 13, 2006, 08:25:28 PM
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Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: ConstantReader on June 13, 2006, 08:26:52 PM
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Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: danac on June 13, 2006, 08:47:22 PM
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Oh,yeah...this is DEFINITELY in my book of favorite quotes...just imagine that moment!!! :P
Which, by the way, I think I can hear on the full screen version...Ennis just whispers it just after the forehead nuzzle and the "cm'ere"
SOMEBODY, PLEASE HEAR IT TOO...
It's like an exhale..but he says it!!!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on June 14, 2006, 04:29:22 PM
Eating  Dinner at a Mexican restaurant outside Denver with my future mother-in-law I ordered a taco salad and saw it had beans. When the waitress came over I said "I'm Jack and I'll have the taco salad. Oh--No More Beans!" And yes, jack twist WAS in my mind, I was sick to death of the goddamned beans they give you in Nebraska.

She looked at me with 'different sort' of a smile and said ""Sure Enough."

When she brought the salad she said "OK Jack--- No More Beans!"

And my mother in law wondered why we gave each other such big smiles
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on June 15, 2006, 06:29:45 AM
Eating  Dinner at a Mexican restaurant outside Denver with my future mother-in-law I ordered a taco salad and saw it had beans. When the waitress came over I said "I'm Jack and I'll have the taco salad. Oh--No More Beans!" And yes, jack twist WAS in my mind, I was sick to death of the goddamned beans they give you in Nebraska.

She looked at me with 'different sort' of a smile and said ""Sure Enough."

When she brought the salad she said "OK Jack--- No More Beans!"

And my mother in law wondered why we gave each other such big smiles
Wonderful!!!I bet that made her day.What would you have done if she,d ambushed you on the way out and said,"Just finished my shift,wanna dance?" ;D
Janie
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: ConstantReader on June 15, 2006, 07:11:03 AM
With headphones I can hear (among other things) the crunch of car tires on gravel and the rise and fall of the wind in the first scene of the movie, the buzz of flies around the sheep corpse, the sound of the river throughout the SNIT and the creak of Aquirre's saddle when he watches the boys through binoculars.  All of which leads me to believe that if there are any "hidden" words in the movie I would hear them.   
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on June 15, 2006, 08:10:42 AM
I thought I was hearing things, I also hear rushing water -- the stream?  I know it's there. Anybody else.

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Gonzo on June 15, 2006, 08:33:20 AM
With headphones I can hear (among other things) the crunch of car tires on gravel and the rise and fall of the wind in the first scene of the movie, the buzz of flies around the sheep corpse, the sound of the river throughout the SNIT and the creak of Aquirre's saddle when he watches the boys through binoculars.  All of which leads me to believe that if there are any "hidden" words in the movie I would hear them.   

I really have to agree with this.  I hear none of the "hidden" dialogue.  Most of this dialogue is associated with Ennis.  Ennis is a grunter, it's like the groan he lets out when he reads the deceased postcard.  I do hear something in the Reunion but it is more of a groan than any actual words.  In the commercially available soundtrack CD, during the "Riding Horses" piece if you listen real closely there is background noise.  For a while I thought it sounded like horse noises, but I really think it is just feedback from the player's hand against the guitar.

As always though, I will fight to the death to allow you to believe whatever you want.   :-* :-*
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on June 15, 2006, 06:19:17 PM
With headphones I can hear (among other things) the crunch of car tires on gravel and the rise and fall of the wind in the first scene of the movie, the buzz of flies around the sheep corpse, the sound of the river throughout the SNIT and the creak of Aquirre's saddle when he watches the boys through binoculars.  All of which leads me to believe that if there are any "hidden" words in the movie I would hear them.   
Try 2:57 in the Reunion scene. I hear "Darlin" whispered very clearly. Others have too. You can hear the Wyoming accent, and everything.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on June 16, 2006, 01:22:29 AM
Eating  Dinner at a Mexican restaurant outside Denver with my future mother-in-law I ordered a taco salad and saw it had beans. When the waitress came over I said "I'm Jack and I'll have the taco salad. Oh--No More Beans!" And yes, jack twist WAS in my mind, I was sick to death of the goddamned beans they give you in Nebraska.

She looked at me with 'different sort' of a smile and said ""Sure Enough."

When she brought the salad she said "OK Jack--- No More Beans!"

And my mother in law wondered why we gave each other such big smiles
Wonderful!!!I bet that made her day.What would you have done if she,d ambushed you on the way out and said,"Just finished my shift,wanna dance?" ;D
Janie

I'd probably have surprised my future mother in law, amused my future wife when she was told about it--- and danced with her lol
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on June 16, 2006, 01:26:55 AM
With headphones I can hear (among other things) the crunch of car tires on gravel and the rise and fall of the wind in the first scene of the movie, the buzz of flies around the sheep corpse, the sound of the river throughout the SNIT and the creak of Aquirre's saddle when he watches the boys through binoculars.  All of which leads me to believe that if there are any "hidden" words in the movie I would hear them.   

I really have to agree with this. I hear none of the "hidden" dialogue. Most of this dialogue is associated with Ennis. Ennis is a grunter, it's like the groan he lets out when he reads the deceased postcard. I do hear something in the Reunion but it is more of a groan than any actual words. In the commercially available soundtrack CD, during the "Riding Horses" piece if you listen real closely there is background noise. For a while I thought it sounded like horse noises, but I really think it is just feedback from the player's hand against the guitar.

As always though, I will fight to the death to allow you to believe whatever you want. :-* :-*

Listen to the DECEASED postcard scene with Ennis in the street. He whispers the word "Bud" in this low horrified voice filled with shock. I never heard it in the theater. I heard it on the dvd with the sound waaaay up, listened to it 5 times before I actually believed it.

And he definately says it.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Jazzwoman on June 16, 2006, 03:24:46 PM
I adore Jack and Ennis' greeting words after four years :

"Jack Fuckin' Twist!"  - "Son of a bitch!"

A great dialogue, and honestly: "I love you!"- "I love you !"  sounds sooo boring compared to that. 

An endearing way to confess mutual love - insulting each other.... ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on June 16, 2006, 03:54:51 PM
Eating  Dinner at a Mexican restaurant outside Denver with my future mother-in-law I ordered a taco salad and saw it had beans. When the waitress came over I said "I'm Jack and I'll have the taco salad. Oh--No More Beans!" And yes, jack twist WAS in my mind, I was sick to death of the goddamned beans they give you in Nebraska.

She looked at me with 'different sort' of a smile and said ""Sure Enough."

When she brought the salad she said "OK Jack--- No More Beans!"

And my mother in law wondered why we gave each other such big smiles
Wonderful!!!I bet that made her day.What would you have done if she,d ambushed you on the way out and said,"Just finished my shift,wanna dance?" ;D
Janie

I'd probably have surprised my future mother in law, amused my future wife when she was told about it--- and danced with her lol
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistEnnis on June 16, 2006, 09:04:50 PM
Well I've been waiting to share this quote for a month or better now.  I teach 4th grade and we use many math manipulative's in the classroom.  One of the kids favorite items to play with is a container full of dried beans.  Unfortunately they get them all over the place and I am constantly picking them up...or they hide other items in the container and try to find them within the beans.  After impatiently picking up what seemed like the 10,000th bean off the floor one day, I grabbed the container and held it up and stated, "No more beans!" and put the container safely away in the closet.  All the while, a smile on my face realizing what famous line I'd just quoted - without even trying.  Never thought I'd get to use that one!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: john john on June 16, 2006, 09:53:11 PM
Well I've been waiting to share this quote for a month or better now.  I teach 4th grade and we use many math manipulative's in the classroom.  One of the kids favorite items to play with is a container full of dried beans.  Unfortunately they get them all over the place and I am constantly picking them up...or they hide other items in the container and try to find them within the beans.  After impatiently picking up what seemed like the 10,000th bean off the floor one day, I grabbed the container and held it up and stated, "No more beans!" and put the container safely away in the closet.  All the while, a smile on my face realizing what famous line I'd just quoted - without even trying.  Never thought I'd get to use that one!
Love it :)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: kabeach2001 on June 17, 2006, 05:35:48 AM
Stemming the rose

I'm sure there's a special place for this quote on the forums, but BOY this thing is getting difficult to get around.
So my little contribution:-

http://www.gardenersedge.com/item.cgi?item=280dt&cat=Search&subcat=280dt

Go to this website to find out how to really "stem the rose"

kabeach2001
By the way I seriously think this is the correct meaning....
...to masturbate, or run your hand up and down the penis and
eventually produce a flower (my 2 cents worth).
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: ConstantReader on June 17, 2006, 10:30:45 AM
If you turn the sound up really high and listen very carefully, you'll find that the bear by the creek isn't growling, he's reciting the Gettysburg address...
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Lance on June 17, 2006, 11:43:52 AM
If you turn the sound up really high and listen very carefully, you'll find that the bear by the creek isn't growling, he's reciting the Gettysburg address...

rolling on the floor. laughing. oh, yes. :D
I love that one, CR. :)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Lance on June 17, 2006, 11:46:02 AM
Oh. Wait. I just had to listen to the bear, and what I heard was George Washington's inaugural address. You're sure it was Lincoln? ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: littledarlin on June 17, 2006, 08:27:54 PM
If you turn the sound up really high and listen very carefully, you'll find that the bear by the creek isn't growling, he's reciting the Gettysburg address...


 ;D ;D ;D  ;D :-*
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: ConstantReader on June 18, 2006, 08:41:56 PM
Well, I heard "Four score..." or was it "Fo' sure..."?
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: ConstantReader on June 18, 2006, 09:00:16 PM
I won't be vulgar (oh yes, I will...) but anything to do with roses and roses buds suggests the anus.

As Annie says, play it as it lies.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on June 19, 2006, 05:16:06 AM
I won't be vulgar (oh yes, I will...) but anything to do with roses and roses buds suggests the anus.

As Annie says, play it as it lies.
Ding, ding, ding-a-ling.  ;)

Right answer, CR! That's always been my interpretation of "stemming the rose," too.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on June 19, 2006, 12:41:06 PM
You're right, yet I just had a horrible mental image out of Citizen Kane .............
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on June 19, 2006, 01:53:27 PM
Eating  Dinner at a Mexican restaurant outside Denver with my future mother-in-law I ordered a taco salad and saw it had beans. When the waitress came over I said "I'm Jack and I'll  . . . . And my mother in law wondered why we gave each other such big smiles


Love it -- sure 'nough.


cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on June 19, 2006, 01:59:17 PM
Well I've been waiting to share this quote for a month or better    snip     
up what seemed like the 10,000th bean off the floor one day, I grabbed the container and held it up and stated, "No more beans!" and put the container safely away in the closet.  All the while, a smile on my face realizing what famous line I'd just quoted - without even trying.  Never thought I'd get to use that one!

TwistEnnis

I like that -- did you notice you "put the container safely away in the "closet".  Just like Ennis and the shirts in the final scene. :'(

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on June 19, 2006, 02:00:59 PM
If you turn the sound up really high and listen very carefully, you'll find that the bear by the creek isn't growling, he's reciting the Gettysburg address...

ConstantReader


Too funny -- 

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistEnnis on June 19, 2006, 02:50:22 PM

I like that -- did you notice you "put the container safely away in the "closet".  Just like Ennis and the shirts in the final scene. :'(

cabin
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Hi Cabin....truthfully, had not even noticed I said that.  Kind of freaked me out when I did.  Ah well...must have been my subconsience at work there. :) 
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Marc on June 20, 2006, 08:41:16 AM
I thought I heard the bear say this:


   "Ask not what your cowboy can do for you.  Ask what you do can for your cowboy."


And I think it's safe to say Ennis took this advice to heart.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: daphne on June 21, 2006, 04:42:21 AM
Well I've been waiting to share this quote for a month or better now.  I teach 4th grade and we use many math manipulative's in the classroom.  One of the kids favorite items to play with is a container full of dried beans.  Unfortunately they get them all over the place and I am constantly picking them up...or they hide other items in the container and try to find them within the beans.  After impatiently picking up what seemed like the 10,000th bean off the floor one day, I grabbed the container and held it up and stated, "No more beans!" and put the container safely away in the closet.  All the while, a smile on my face realizing what famous line I'd just quoted - without even trying.  Never thought I'd get to use that one!

This is so funny! You should get additional points - one for each kid in the classroom  ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on June 26, 2006, 10:25:47 AM
I thought I heard the bear say this:


   "Ask not what your cowboy can do for you.  Ask what you do can for your cowboy."


And I think it's safe to say Ennis took this advice to heart.

I like that!Who,d have thought we,d have ended up quoting a bear!
I managed a" What,s the occasion?" when my hubby brought me breakfast in bed but I don,t think it counts because he realised.
Janie
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Jazzwoman on June 27, 2006, 07:26:36 AM
Hi,

my first post on this thread I believe, but the quotes I'm referring to are worth being repeated.

My fav quotes from the original short story are those lines which describe the two men's love so beautifully that I could freak out everytime I read them.

The first one is the reunion scene: The way AP wrote it, without real pause, just going on and on with the description of the guys' passionate "Hello" which, by the mere reading of it, makes you get short of breath and your head sway a bit afterwards so you're put into the same state E and J are in - amazing. I was almost seduced to read it out aloud, but I'm sure I'd die trying  ;)
And speaking of dying, the "little darling" nearly killed me... I read the story after watching the film and I kinda heard my heart crack open. Some things are so beautiful one can hardly stand them (to modify Jack's not less heartbreaking confession)

The other scene, of course, is the many-quoted dozy embrace, a piece of artwork way to beautifully written to ever forget it.
If my heart cracked open during the "little darlin'"- line, it bleeded itself dry while I was reading  those incredibly touching words. MG, I must have reread the embrace about a dozen times before going on throught the end, but after finishing the story I started to reread it another five times....  :o I'm still startled

It's a bit funny; I actually don't like AP's sober and direct style that much, but at the same time, these two moments belong (for me) to the most beautiful pieces of literature ever.
I just love them!


As for the film, I have a couple of favourite quotes, beginning with the "Jack fucking Twist"- "Son of a bitch"- dialogue and ending with the beautifully whispered "Old Brokeback got us good" (that nearly made me sob) but I do really fall for "He used to say he wanted his ashes scattered on Brokeback Mountain" (dunno if this is correctly quoted, but nevermind) .
I mean, this little line expresses so much:

That never ever anything meant to Jack this much like the life and love he had experienced on BBM.
That never ever gave he up on Ennis.
That never ever could he forget him.
That Ennis was the love of his life.
That Ennis was the only love of his life, Mexico and Randall or who else be damned.
That the only thing Jack ever wanted and yearned for was a life spent together with Ennis.
The centre of Jack's whole life was Ennis, Ennis and again Ennis - he was suffused by him.

I think it was Buddha who said in one of his first sermons that being apart from those you love means suffering, like being together with those you don't love means suffering, too.
In a way, his last wish was Jack's way to free himself : He could not be united with what/whom he loved in life, but wanted to be united with it in death.

You see, there is so much beauty and deep love  in that line, that wish, yet so many sadness and tragedy, too. Even more tragical because Ennis becomes aware of what he has really lost while hearing it. You can see on his face that he knows it; he could have it all, Jack would never have refused it. Poor Ennis. It is a late and bitter knowledge dawning on him, something he tried to ignore consequently through all these years, and now he has to face it - and to live with it. Again, poor Ennis.

But there is also an odd and painful touch of romance in that line; it's like a confession of love, Jack wanting to be laid to rest where he was able to share his life with E. Maybe the clearest confession and declaration of love he ever gave to E (if he really never expressed himself verbally before, what we don't know for sure) I think Ennis sees it that way, too.

 :'(  I'm crying now, this is just too sad. Maybe I am a sentimental cow, but nevertheless I wanted to share this thoughts with you.
I'd be happy to receive some answers ?!

Moooohhh


Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Yeaah on June 27, 2006, 09:25:40 AM
It's my first post on this thread, too.  For me, it's AP's line (paraphrasing):  ...as easily as the right key turns the lock tumblers their lips came together... (sorry for butchering it - you'd think it would be hardwired by now)

I love the visuals and the beauty and the truth contained in her words. 

As for the movie, I have so many favorite lines that I incorporate into RL, I'll have to think about the all-time best one!

 :)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on June 28, 2006, 05:42:02 AM
I have two ABSOLUTE favorites:
• "You know, it could be like this. . .just like this. . .always," and
• "It'd be a sweet life."

Both statements, I think, lyrically convey what the story is about: love, hope, and faith--all neatly tinged by more than a little soupcon of yearning--and, unfortunately, a lot of real-life tragedy, as well. The tragedy, from which each and every one of us can draw, is two-fold: that we all carry within our hearts life-long longing and pain, and that we all have intimate knowledge of missed opportunities and unfulfilled dreams.

Why are we so knocked on our asses about this story? Because it encapsulates ALL our stories, ALL our lives. As self-aware, planet-bound souls, these two, tragic aspects absolutely break our hearts. Thereby making it even more powerful and personal and heart-wrenching.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Yeaah on June 28, 2006, 06:24:44 AM
I have two ABSOLUTE favorites:
• "You know, it could be like this. . .just like this. . .always," and
• "It'd be a sweet life."

Both statements, I think, lyrically convey what the story is about: love, hope, and faith--all neatly tinged by more than a little soupcon of yearning--and, unfortunately, a lot of real-life tragedy, as well. The tragedy, from which each and every one of us can draw, is two-fold: that we all carry within our hearts life-long longing and pain, and that we all have intimate knowledge of missed opportunities and unfulfilled dreams.

Why are we so knocked on our asses about this story? Because it encapsulates ALL our stories, ALL our lives. As self-aware, planet-bound souls, these two, tragic aspects absolutely break our hearts. Thereby making it even more powerful and personal and heart-wrenching.

Amen!  I feel sad for the non-self-aware who don't/can't appreciate this profound experience (everyone in my RL).

Thanks T&S.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: illinoisgirl on June 28, 2006, 08:42:32 AM
Jazzwoman, I just have to say that your message reflects exactly how I feel about our beloved Jack and Ennis and the movie as a whole. It has been 6 months since I first saw this movie, and it still resonates inside my head everyday.
On a lighter note, at work yesterday there was this foul odor from some kind of cleaning solution and I was telling my family this at dinner, and used the quote, "I was nearly affixiated from the smell" my daughter who has seen BBM as much as I, just about spit out her dinner!
Long live BBM!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Marc on June 28, 2006, 01:01:36 PM
I have two ABSOLUTE favorites:
• "You know, it could be like this. . .just like this. . .always," and
• "It'd be a sweet life."

Yeah, that one really grabs you and doesn't let go.  It's close in emotional impact to the "sometime I miss you so much" line.

I've made this comment before, probably in this thread, and I think it bears repeating here.  Jack's speech, which is interrupted by Ennis's "yeah, how you figure that?" is his sales pitch to Ennis.  And he rehearsed it all the way from Texas.  He had such hopes, and they were dashed.  Life doesn't get much sadder than that.

Interestingly, in the screenplay it says "Jack looks stricken" after Ennis says "It ain't gonna be that way."  But in the movie, Jack doesn't look stricken, at least not to me.  He doesn't even look terribly disappointed.  I did want him to look stricken.  But then, I'm the same guy who wanted Jack to cry in the truck driving away from Wyoming after the post-divorce scene and wanted Ennis to break down after Jack died.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on June 28, 2006, 01:28:19 PM
Interestingly, in the screenplay it says "Jack looks stricken" after Ennis says "It ain't gonna be that way."  But in the movie, Jack doesn't look stricken, at least not to me.  He doesn't even look terribly disappointed.  I did want him to look stricken.  But then, I'm the same guy who wanted to Jack cry in the truck driving away from Wyoming after the post-divorce scene and wanted Ennis to break down after Jack died.
Hey, Marc, i think you got most of what you wanted. The reunion campfire scene is one disappointed revelation after another ["You and Alma, that's life"; "you saw this?" {with that look of horror!}] for a crest-fallen Jack that builds to a final, dirge-like, prolonged  "For how long?", which just about breaks all hearts by this point. But leave it to good ol' Jack to soothe and stroke Ennis at the end of the scene.

And Jack did cry on the way out of Wyoming, no? And, although we never see Ennis "break" down to the same degree as most others would under the circumstances, the tears that well up in his eyes upon walking into Jack's room, upon embracing the shirts, upon asking Jr. if Kurt loves her, and upon "swearing" to Jack, is monumental for someone so closed down. And, anyway, don't we all cried on his behalf?
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on June 28, 2006, 07:53:47 PM
Of course, there is that extended shirt in the closet scene, that goes noticably further into a breakdown for Ennis, that they showed at the Indy Awards.
I cross-posted the link in the Last Scene thread for your enjoyment (?).
I am theorizing they took it out so Ennis' minimalistic tears at the closet in the trailer would not be an anti-climax.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: melissasjack on June 28, 2006, 09:17:49 PM
hi
first post to this thread for me, too
favorite lines
 "let be. let be." four simple words, spoken in jacks own mind (in the book)  remembering that dozy embrace,
with love, hope, and the whole goddamn world in those bright blue eyes.
 and of course,
"it could be like this, just like this, always"
and whispers in a darkened tent
"c'mere, it's allright, it's allright"
melissa
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: mountain boy on June 28, 2006, 10:17:01 PM
Those are some great ones Melissa!!    :'( :'( :'(      Welcome!    :)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on June 29, 2006, 05:37:54 AM
hi
first post to this thread for me, too
favorite lines
 "let be. let be." four simple words, spoken in jacks own mind (in the book)  remembering that dozy embrace,
with love, hope, and the whole goddamn world in those bright blue eyes.
 and of course,
"it could be like this, just like this, always"
and whispers in a darkened tent
"c'mere, it's allright, it's allright"
melissa


The reunion scene - after the kiss, when Ennis kind of whispers, "Hey!......C'mere" after he's pried Jack's hands out of his shirtfront and done that little nuzzle thing against his face....

damn.  The look on Jack's face is priceless.

(and wdj is right:  welcome!)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on June 29, 2006, 06:17:41 AM
Hi,

my first post on this thread I believe, but the quotes I'm referring to are worth being repeated.

My fav quotes from the original short story are those lines which describe the two men's love so beautifully that I could freak out everytime I read them.

The first one is the reunion scene: The way AP wrote it, without real pause, just going on and on with the description of the guys' passionate "Hello" which, by the mere reading of it, makes you get short of breath and your head sway a bit afterwards so you're put into the same state E and J are in - amazing. I was almost seduced to read it out aloud, but I'm sure I'd die trying  ;)
And speaking of dying, the "little darling" nearly killed me... I read the story after watching the film and I kinda heard my heart crack open. Some things are so beautiful one can hardly stand them (to modify Jack's not less heartbreaking confession)

The other scene, of course, is the many-quoted dozy embrace, a piece of artwork way to beautifully written to ever forget it.
If my heart cracked open during the "little darlin'"- line, it bleeded itself dry while I was reading  those incredibly touching words. MG, I must have reread the embrace about a dozen times before going on throught the end, but after finishing the story I started to reread it another five times....  :o I'm still startled

It's a bit funny; I actually don't like AP's sober and direct style that much, but at the same time, these two moments belong (for me) to the most beautiful pieces of literature ever.
I just love them!


As for the film, I have a couple of favourite quotes, beginning with the "Jack fucking Twist"- "Son of a bitch"- dialogue and ending with the beautifully whispered "Old Brokeback got us good" (that nearly made me sob) but I do really fall for "He used to say he wanted his ashes scattered on Brokeback Mountain" (dunno if this is correctly quoted, but nevermind) .
I mean, this little line expresses so much:

That never ever anything meant to Jack this much like the life and love he had experienced on BBM.
That never ever gave he up on Ennis.
That never ever could he forget him.
That Ennis was the love of his life.
That Ennis was the only love of his life, Mexico and Randall or who else be damned.
That the only thing Jack ever wanted and yearned for was a life spent together with Ennis.
The centre of Jack's whole life was Ennis, Ennis and again Ennis - he was suffused by him.

I think it was Buddha who said in one of his first sermons that being apart from those you love means suffering, like being together with those you don't love means suffering, too.
In a way, his last wish was Jack's way to free himself : He could not be united with what/whom he loved in life, but wanted to be united with it in death.

You see, there is so much beauty and deep love  in that line, that wish, yet so many sadness and tragedy, too. Even more tragical because Ennis becomes aware of what he has really lost while hearing it. You can see on his face that he knows it; he could have it all, Jack would never have refused it. Poor Ennis. It is a late and bitter knowledge dawning on him, something he tried to ignore consequently through all these years, and now he has to face it - and to live with it. Again, poor Ennis.

But there is also an odd and painful touch of romance in that line; it's like a confession of love, Jack wanting to be laid to rest where he was able to share his life with E. Maybe the clearest confession and declaration of love he ever gave to E (if he really never expressed himself verbally before, what we don't know for sure) I think Ennis sees it that way, too.

 :'(  I'm crying now, this is just too sad. Maybe I am a sentimental cow, but nevertheless I wanted to share this thoughts with you.
I'd be happy to receive some answers ?!

Moooohhh

Cows be damned!This is so eloquently and passionately expressed,I love it.I was reading that Diana Ossana desperately wanted Ang to keep,"Little darlin" in and I wish he had too,because I think it,s just totally beautiful and so suited to the scene.I wonder why he dropped it?
How Ennis managed not to totally reveal total and absolute commitment to Jack after the" Old Brokeback got us good" whisper is something I,ll never know.It was enough to melt anybody.It certainly had that effect on me anyway!
And,yes,the revelation to both Ennis and Lureen about the ashes is so far-reaching that it takes your breath away.
Janie
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Marc on June 29, 2006, 09:09:50 AM
Of course, there is that extended shirt in the closet scene, that goes noticably further into a breakdown for Ennis, that they showed at the Indy Awards.
I cross-posted the link in the Last Scene thread for your enjoyment (?).

Alas, the video has been removed from that site.  And so I missed it!  Fiddle-dee-dee, I spend too much time working at work instead of doing important stuff like spending more time on this site.  And I've been duly punished.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on June 29, 2006, 09:32:12 AM

and whispers in a darkened tent
"c'mere, it's allright, it's allright"
Or, in the same vein, when, after the bloody nose, Jack says,
"Ennis, Ennis. . .C'mere. . .Are you Ok? Are you OK? Shhh. . ."

I understand the "Shhh" as trying to quiet and calm Ennis, as well as the whole situation. After which, Ennis answers "Yeah", but then clocks Jack. Ouch. Literally and figuratively. . .
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: melissasjack on June 29, 2006, 11:28:04 AM
yah,
i'm with you, twistandshout
jack was charming and it still brings tears to my eyes to watch him try and cradle and minister his ennis after he accidentally hurt him
that gets me every time too.
melissa
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Jazzwoman on June 30, 2006, 02:24:49 AM

and whispers in a darkened tent
"c'mere, it's allright, it's allright"
Or, in the same vein, when, after the bloody nose, Jack says,
"Ennis, Ennis. . .C'mere. . .Are you Ok? Are you OK? Shhh. . ."

I understand the "Shhh" as trying to quiet and calm Ennis, as well as the whole situation. After which, Ennis answers "Yeah", but then clocks Jack. Ouch. Literally and figuratively. . .

You know I'm deeply ahamed of myself but I didn't hear the "Are you ok?" until my last viewing yesterday after I had read your post.
 :'( The tone of his voice made me weep; it sounds like Jack is close to burst into tears as well.... he's so broken inside... and then he nearly gets his jaw broken by the person he loves so desperately, so deeply.... I love my Jack.   :-*
Wanted to hug and comfort him afterwards when he was lying on the ground, panting with shock and pain ....
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on June 30, 2006, 08:48:21 PM
I love my Jack.   :-*
Wanted to hug and comfort him afterwards when he was lying on the ground, panting with shock and pain ....
I think there's enough for both of us. OK, I'll share. . . ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on June 30, 2006, 08:57:37 PM
All the whispered endearments by Jack drive me crazy:
"It's all right",
"Lie back"
"It's OK"
"Come here" and
"Are you OK?"

And I've always heard--right from my first viewing of the film in December--several:
"I'm sorrys"

Have I missed any?
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: VlNNl on July 01, 2006, 12:26:57 AM
"I wish I could quit you"
That made me oddly apathetic..
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: paintedshoes on July 01, 2006, 12:38:10 AM
Hello, VINNI, and welcome to the forum.  Please feel free to look around and find places to share your voice with us.  Welcome to our family.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on July 03, 2006, 01:26:24 PM
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Cows be damned!This is so eloquently and passionately expressed,I love it.I was reading that Diana Ossana desperately wanted Ang to keep,"Little darlin" in and I wish he had too,because I think it,s just totally beautiful and so suited to the scene.I wonder why he dropped it?
How Ennis managed not to totally reveal total and absolute commitment to Jack after the" Old Brokeback got us good" whisper is something I,ll never know.It was enough to melt anybody.It certainly had that effect on me anyway!
And,yes,the revelation to both Ennis and Lureen about the ashes is so far-reaching that it takes your breath away.
Janie
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Ah, yet another poster I have to convince:
Janie, Ennis/Heath DOES say "...darlin." Not sure if we have the same system, but go to 2:57 on the time stamp; it is at the moment after Jack says, "Son of a bitch" then sighs, oohhhh...; then, about .5 seconds later, you hear"..darlin." It is Heath's voice, and it happens IMMEDIATELY before the camera leaves the over-Ennis'-shoulder position.
It is a total whisper.
I heard from day one and hear it exaclty the same way every time.
I think 2-3 other posters have heard it, too. It helps to blot out the music, if you can.....
CSI.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: ConstantReader on July 03, 2006, 02:18:15 PM
At the end of the fight scene I hear Jack say something like this:

Ennis!
Ennis!
     [pronounced Eennis]
Come here...
I was joking...
I was joking...

[then something unintelligeable]

It might also be I was only joking  or it was a joke.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: john john on July 03, 2006, 02:31:43 PM

Ah, yet another poster I have to convince:
Janie, Ennis/Heath DOES say "...darlin." Not sure if we have the same system, but go to 2:57 on the time stamp; it is at the moment after Jack says, "Son of a bitch" then sighs, oohhhh...; then, about .5 seconds later, you hear"..darlin." It is Heath's voice, and it happens IMMEDIATELY before the camera leaves the over-Ennis'-shoulder position.
It is a total whisper.
I heard from day one and hear it exaclty the same way every time.
I think 2-3 other posters have heard it, too. It helps to blot out the music, if you can.....
CSI.

Oh My! I am so going to check that out tonight!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on July 03, 2006, 02:37:02 PM
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Cows be damned!This is so eloquently and passionately expressed,I love it.I was reading that Diana Ossana desperately wanted Ang to keep,"Little darlin" in and I wish he had too,because I think it,s just totally beautiful and so suited to the scene.I wonder why he dropped it?
How Ennis managed not to totally reveal total and absolute commitment to Jack after the" Old Brokeback got us good" whisper is something I,ll never know.It was enough to melt anybody.It certainly had that effect on me anyway!
And,yes,the revelation to both Ennis and Lureen about the ashes is so far-reaching that it takes your breath away.
Janie
Quote

Ah, yet another poster I have to convince:
Janie, Ennis/Heath DOES say "...darlin." Not sure if we have the same system, but go to 2:57 on the time stamp; it is at the moment after Jack says, "Son of a bitch" then sighs, oohhhh...; then, about .5 seconds later, you hear"..darlin." It is Heath's voice, and it happens IMMEDIATELY before the camera leaves the over-Ennis'-shoulder position.
It is a total whisper.
I heard from day one and hear it exaclty the same way every time.
I think 2-3 other posters have heard it, too. It helps to blot out the music, if you can.....
CSI.
Right,I,m on to it right away.I shall be THRILLED if I hear it.I don,t know if anyone else has experienced this but the music and other background sounds like running water etc. on my dvd are much louder than in the cinema and I,m having difficulty picking up whispers,even through headphones.I,ll try to blot out the music and see what happens.Thanks for that.
Incidentally,I tried the commentary for the first time recently and it was hilarious!This terribly correct English voice,in the sort of matter of fact way you get when someone,s reading a train timetable,says things like,"Jack takes off his jacket and grips Ennis by the shirt.Then he unbuttons his jeans....etc!It had about as much passion as the speaking clock!I had to imagine this monumentally bored guy yawning his way through some of the most explosive and erotic love scenes ever filmed. ;D ;D ;D
Janie
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on July 03, 2006, 03:29:18 PM

Oh My! I am so going to check that out tonight!

Thanks!
Quote
Are you are so welcome, friend. It is a little shocking when you first hear it, so be sitting down....
 ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: melissasjack on July 03, 2006, 03:39:22 PM
well, i'll be watchin again tonight too, then, I'd love to hear it.
It's been a week since the last time I watched and I think I've "healed" enough to see it again
it'll only be my like 30TH time!!!
Maybe I can send everyone out for the night and put the volume on high....
thanks
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokaholic on July 03, 2006, 05:52:30 PM

Oh My! I am so going to check that out tonight!

Thanks!

Yep me too....my DVD will have a fit today :D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: john john on July 03, 2006, 09:28:33 PM

Oh My! I am so going to check that out tonight!

Thanks!
Quote
Are you are so welcome, friend. It is a little shocking when you first hear it, so be sitting down....
 ;)

Yep! I heard it! Sounds like a grunt but coming from Ennis it's a song.Boy what a scene!

Thanks again Cantstandit :)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Yeaah on July 03, 2006, 10:02:45 PM

Oh My! I am so going to check that out tonight!

Thanks!
Quote
Are you are so welcome, friend. It is a little shocking when you first hear it, so be sitting down....
 ;)

Yep! I heard it! Sounds like a grunt but coming from Ennis it's a song.Boy what a scene!

Thanks again Cantstandit :)

What he said.  Especially sitting down with my iPod earphones in.   ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on July 04, 2006, 12:46:59 PM
Canstandit,I heard it!It,s just a breath,but it,s definitely there."Darlin'"
Thank you.
Janie
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: melissasjack on July 04, 2006, 12:50:12 PM
canstandit,
I'll be smilin all day now for sure
thanks
and happy 4th!!!
(although now it feels like christmas)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: littledarlin on July 05, 2006, 08:27:11 AM

Ah, yet another poster I have to convince:
Janie, Ennis/Heath DOES say "...darlin." Not sure if we have the same system, but go to 2:57 on the time stamp; it is at the moment after Jack says, "Son of a bitch" then sighs, oohhhh...; then, about .5 seconds later, you hear"..darlin." It is Heath's voice, and it happens IMMEDIATELY before the camera leaves the over-Ennis'-shoulder position.
It is a total whisper.
I heard from day one and hear it exaclty the same way every time.
I think 2-3 other posters have heard it, too. It helps to blot out the music, if you can.....
CSI.


Ok CSI I thought I could hear it on the dvd with earphones in only the left side (that was weird) but when I saw it on the big screen recently I definitely heard it!!!  FINALLY!!  I haven't had a chance to rewatch the dvd yet but I know it's really there now and not just my heart playing tricks on me and it warms my heart immensely

My favorite quotes are my signature lines but I have many more!! 

A few others are: " You may be a sinner, but I have not yet had the opportunity" the look on his face is just delicious and Jack's sweet smile in return, just breath-taking!! I also love, "C'mere, S'alright, S'alright" from SNIT.  "It could be like this, just like this, always" they way he says it, full of hope and kinda shy (fearful of rejection I suppose) with a beautiful, almost childlike expression on his face.  "She got lucky" and Jake's megawatt smile from under his hat after Ennis says "If I was lucky that harmonica woulda got broke in two." and the one that kills me "You wouldn't do it, Ennis, so what we got now is Brokeback Mountain", that whole scene blows me away!  You know, every line spoken by the boys blows me away, they are superbly amazing actors and their facial expressions convey so much. I am glued to the screen everytime I watch it!!  It truly is the greatest film ever made, IMHO.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 05, 2006, 11:30:36 AM
the scene.

And Jack did cry on the way out of Wyoming, no? And, although we never see Ennis "break" down to the same degree as most others would under the circumstances, the tears that well up in his eyes upon walking into Jack's room, upon embracing the shirts, upon asking Jr. if Kurt loves her, and upon "swearing" to Jack, is monumental for someone so closed down. And, anyway, don't we all cried on his behalf?

twistandshout:

I had not realized how these Ennis scenes, when put in a group, show how he let's himself go emotionally (as hard as it was for him).  Each scene that you mention above, brings a new realization on my part, that Ennis slowly showed his sorrow over losing Jack at each of these junctures.  Great post.

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on July 05, 2006, 11:37:51 AM
Thanks, Cabin. That's why I'm one of them who see Ennis's increased awareness and realization as a sign of his redemption, and, maybe, some hint of optimism--for whatever future a fictional character could have. . .

I know. . .pie in the sky, and definitely off topic. I'll quit while I'm ahead. . .
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on July 05, 2006, 11:44:43 AM
And, Cabin, I forgot another scene where Ennis tears up--right after the "no reins on this one" comment. Breaks my heart to see. . .
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 05, 2006, 01:04:51 PM
And, Cabin, I forgot another scene where Ennis tears up--right after the "no reins on this one" comment. Breaks my heart to see. . .

twistandshout

I'm gonna check out the "no reins" scene and be on the look out -- I think I missed it.

Also, I saw a quote earlier today on this thread on their final night talking about their lives and Jack continuing to try and come up with some plan to spend the rest of their lives together.

 I can always go directly to Ennis face right after Jack's "I can hardly stand it" line.  Camera switches over to Ennis, and you see (from my perspective) his eyes with great emotion taking in and knowing that Jack still loves him very much.   

It's amazing how these scenes still conjure up great emotions in me.  Besides I've always thought Ennis was the better looking lol.

cabin

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 05, 2006, 01:15:36 PM
Just noticied part of your tag line has the below quote.

 
"And that's how come me end up here."

 
I remember the first time I heard it in the theater, it seemed "awkward" to the ear -- realizing quickly that it was a grammar issue.  Incredible attention to the details in showing us Ennis character.

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on July 06, 2006, 08:44:24 PM
And, Cabin, I forgot another scene where Ennis tears up--right after the "no reins on this one" comment. Breaks my heart to see. . .

twistandshout

I'm gonna check out the "no reins" scene and be on the look out -- I think I missed it.

Also, I saw a quote earlier today on this thread on their final night talking about their lives and Jack continuing to try and come up with some plan to spend the rest of their lives together.

 I can always go directly to Ennis face right after Jack's "I can hardly stand it" line.  Camera switches over to Ennis, and you see (from my perspective) his eyes with great emotion taking in and knowing that Jack still loves him very much.   

It's amazing how these scenes still conjure up great emotions in me.  Besides I've always thought Ennis was the better looking lol.

cabin


Hi, Cabin and T&S,
You guys are pointing out some of my favorite moments. Ennis subtle tears are always little killers.
Ennis tears up a few times during the flick, my own personal favorite being the tears after Jack says,
'What are we gonna do now?' in the Reunion scene. He knows the half-life he faces the when he goes back home.
Please explain this to me, boys: How could anyone, after experiencing the a-ha of their reunion, knowing they feel just as strong after all those years, ever go back to any kind of life without the other? Ennis really does have a way of compartmentalizing his emotions and his people.
He is a site to behold in this regard; it is beyond me what he can do in the realm of denial.
I'd NEVER be able to leave someone after those days together. It floors me every time.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: john john on July 07, 2006, 08:48:54 AM
Cantstandit, remember that this is rural America in 1963, the whole point of the story is the devastation brought by homophobia and thus the closet.
Ennis has internalized homophobia. He can't stand thinking and accepting he's in love with Jack. That's why he's so rough and tempermental, he's hiding behind "manly values". He's terrified of the thought of he and Jack being killed. He's in love yes, but this love is impossible to bare he feels guilty. All he can do is hide it (the fishing trips) from everyone to be able to live some of it with Jack.There lies the tragedy.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on July 07, 2006, 10:49:29 AM
Cantstandit, remember that this is rural America in 1963, the whole point of the story is the devastation brought by homophobia and thus the closet.
Ennis has internalized homophobia. He can't stand thinking and accepting he's in love with Jack. That's why he's so rough and tempermental, he's hiding behind "manly values". He's terrified of the thought of he and Jack being killed. He's in love yes, but this love is impossible to bare he feels guilty. All he can do is hide it (the fishing trips) from everyone to be able to live some of it with Jack.There lies the tragedy.
I know, John-John, I know, intellectually....I just cantstandit, emotionally.
Forgive the rant.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: littledarlin on July 07, 2006, 12:24:33 PM

Ennis subtle tears are always little killers.
Ennis tears up a few times during the flick, my own personal favorite being the tears after Jack says,
'What are we gonna do now?' in the Reunion scene
. He knows the half-life he faces the when he goes back home.

He is a site to behold in this regard; it is beyond me what he can do in the realm of denial.
I'd NEVER be able to leave someone after those days together. It floors me every time.

This is one of my favorites too CSI.  Ennis face shows just how much it's breaking his heart to not be able to have the life he and Jack should have together.  The hesitation before answering and the sigh, it tears me up everytime.  Nothing we can do.... :'( :'(
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 07, 2006, 01:31:57 PM
CSI and JJ:

Unfortunately, our characters were unable to fullfill their dreams about each other, being rural and in the early 60's.

On the bright side, I've known many people who were able to maneuver their rural lives in the 60's, 50's, and 40's in order to realize and accept who they truly were.  These people have had great lives and relationships.  Also, during those times, many straight folks knew about men and women who were homosexual but it was never discussed in public.  Most people just ignored it.  Remember that gay tolerance in this country was more widely observed in the 1st half of the 1900's.   

The hatred that homophobia brings, IMHO, has been brought on by the religious organizations who have used it to incite their congregations, grow their coffers, and increase their power.

Like Ennis says, "That must be some high-class entertainment."

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on July 07, 2006, 01:43:07 PM
Hi, Cabin and T&S,
You guys are pointing out some of my favorite moments. Ennis subtle tears are always little killers.
Ennis tears up a few times during the flick, my own personal favorite being the tears after Jack says,
'What are we gonna do now?' in the Reunion scene. He knows the half-life he faces the when he goes back home.
Please explain this to me, boys: How could anyone, after experiencing the a-ha of their reunion, knowing they feel just as strong after all those years, ever go back to any kind of life without the other? Ennis really does have a way of compartmentalizing his emotions and his people.
He is a site to behold in this regard; it is beyond me what he can do in the realm of denial.
I'd NEVER be able to leave someone after those days together. It floors me every time.
Cantstandit, remember that this is rural America in 1963, the whole point of the story is the devastation brought by homophobia and thus the closet.
Ennis has internalized homophobia. He can't stand thinking and accepting he's in love with Jack. That's why he's so rough and tempermental, he's hiding behind "manly values". He's terrified of the thought of he and Jack being killed. He's in love yes, but this love is impossible to bare he feels guilty. All he can do is hide it (the fishing trips) from everyone to be able to live some of it with Jack.There lies the tragedy.
I know in my mind that John is absolutely correct here. But, CSI, my heart feels as you do. That's why I've always gravitated to Jack, 'cause he had the cojones to know what he wanted--Ennis--and to pursue it: unfortunately "For [twenty] fuckin' years." And, why, sometimes, I've come down sooo hard on Ennis. I do forget, John, that it is 1963 and they're both in rural Wyoming. I must take this into consideration whenever I unduly criticize Ennis. As well as the fact that each of our psychological states of mind are uniquely our own, and that most of us have never experienced either the physical or mental privations that Jack and Ennis have.

So, it comes down to "It could be like this, just like this, always" v. "It's not goin' be that way." It's a god-damn physics lesson, isn't it?, where an irresistible force meets an unmovable object. Jack's life force was slowly wearing down the rock that was Ennis. Though just not quick enough before the light went out.

And, that, John and CSI, is the added tragedy that compounds John's--and the story's-- underlying sense of heartbreak. So, friends, "what we got here is a god-damn bitch of an unsatisfactory situation." NO ONE has summed up the situation better since.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 07, 2006, 01:59:08 PM
So, it comes down to "It could be like this, just like this, always" v. "It's not goin' be that way." It's a god-damn physics lesson, isn't it?, where an irresistible force meets an unmovable object.

Jack's life force was slowly wearing down the rock that was Ennis. Though just not quick enough before the light went out.

T&S:

You certainly have a way with words.  Thank you.
      :(
cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on July 07, 2006, 04:17:40 PM
So, friends, "what we got here is a god-damn bitch of an unsatisfactory situation." NO ONE has summed up the situation better since.
I think you just did......
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Lance on July 07, 2006, 05:01:05 PM
[reminds everybody that this is the ''Favourite Quotes'' thread. Tears and actions are not really the equivalent to words spoken by the characters, are they?]
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: 1224butternut on July 07, 2006, 05:02:42 PM
I think the self destruction of Ennis can be most clearly scene in the cafe with Cassie when he is eating the pie.  I don't think that this is one of the most popular scenes, but watching Ennis here shows how much he is being eaten up from the inside.  He is a man disinegrating before us.  When Ennis says "I was probably no fun anyway", and looks directly at Cassie, oh my god it's like tearing my skin off.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: john john on July 07, 2006, 09:12:44 PM
I know, John-John, I know, intellectually....I just cantstandit, emotionally.
Forgive the rant.

Of course you knew, you just caved in!  I can't either!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 07, 2006, 09:44:36 PM
1224

I'm with you, it is one of the most revealing pieces of dialogue.  He say's barely audible," I'm Sorry.  (pause, painful look in his eyes)  I was probably no fun anyway.

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 07, 2006, 09:48:46 PM
[reminds everybody that this is the ''Favourite Quotes'' thread. Tears and actions are not really the equivalent to words spoken by the characters, are they?]


But discussing the visual with their dialogue or Quotes is appropriate.  I don't see how we can discuss Quotes if we cannot include the visual impact also, besides, it's not like everyone is veering way off topic.  Gimme a break.

Sorry for the outburst, it's just that I've enjoyed this thread on Quotes and the importance of pointing out the characters actions, enhances the discussions that the few of us who come here have enjoyed tremendously.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: HR on July 07, 2006, 11:08:01 PM
"It could be like this. Always..."

    Where did Jack get the idea they could live together as a couple? It seems that the only example either of them has is Earl and Rich. It's a very inventive thought to come up with that in rural Wyoming on your own without some hint of even Greenwich Village existing. Jack could be a deep thinker, after all. At least for the heartfelt things.

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: HR on July 07, 2006, 11:27:46 PM
Some favorite quotes from the story or screenplay that didn't make it into the movie:

Motel:
    JACK: "It's gotta be all that time a yours ahorseback makes it so goddamn good."

    ENNIS: "Well, you're goin' a go where you look."

    ENNIS: "I sure wrang it out a hunderd times thinkin' about you."

    ENNIS: "Took me about a year a figure out it was that I shouldn't a let you out a my sights."

Camping trip after the reunion:
    ENNIS: "Look what I brought."
    JACK: "Beans..."
    ENNIS: "Gonna fix 'em just the way I used to."

    JACK: "I'd love to rope a coyote."
    ENNIS: "I doubt I'll live to see that miracle."

    Ennis is so much more human and humane in the story. Stole my heart on the first page.

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: melissasjack on July 08, 2006, 12:09:03 AM
Some favorite quotes from the story or screenplay that didn't make it into the movie:

Camping trip after the reunion:
    ENNIS: "Look what I brought."
    JACK: "Beans..."
    ENNIS: "Gonna fix 'em just the way I used to."

    JACK: "I'd love to rope a coyote."
    ENNIS: "I doubt I'll live to see that miracle."

    Ennis is so much more human and humane in the story. Stole my heart on the first page.



Hey, HR,
this part's there, just listen careful over the music when they have their "next " camping trip, when they are in the sit, then on horseback...It's all there...just listen carefully...heartwarming...Love this scene too cuz it shows their closeness and Ennis being a sweetie.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 08, 2006, 08:02:46 AM
HR:

You ask a good question, where did Jack get the idea of getting together.  Eventhough we are only given the example by Ennis "there were these two old guys", I suspect Jack's forays "you've been to Mexico" and a bit more in tune with who he really was make him think he and Jack could live together.  As when he says "It could be like this, just like this, always"

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Lance on July 08, 2006, 10:23:07 AM
[reminds everybody that this is the ''Favourite Quotes'' thread. Tears and actions are not really the equivalent to words spoken by the characters, are they?]


But discussing the visual with their dialogue or Quotes is appropriate.  I don't see how we can discuss Quotes if we cannot include the visual impact also, besides, it's not like everyone is veering way off topic.  Gimme a break.

Sorry for the outburst, it's just that I've enjoyed this thread on Quotes and the importance of pointing out the characters actions, enhances the discussions that the few of us who come here have enjoyed tremendously.

Please forgive me for being so viciously restrictive. ;)

I was pointing out that some of the posts did not discuss quotes at all, but spoke only of actions or expressions. Notice that I deleted and demanded nothing. And I asked for your opinions.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 08, 2006, 11:32:27 AM
Lance:

Heres  a  ;) back at ya!

 :) ;) :D ;D >:( :( :o 8) ??? ::) :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :'(

It's amazing how these little fellas express our emotions about this great film.

Lance, I Swear.

lol
cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on July 08, 2006, 03:52:23 PM
Where did Jack get the idea they could live together as a couple? It seems that the only example either of them has is Earl and Rich. It's a very inventive thought to come up with that in rural Wyoming on your own without some hint of even Greenwich Village existing. Jack could be a deep thinker, after all. At least for the heartfelt things.
Hey, HR, I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to know you want to live with someone, especially someone you love, whether it be today, yesterday or 100 years ago. And, Jack himself does admit, "I was just thinking out loud" when he suggests that Ennis get outta Wyoming and on to Texas in that "Go to hell, Ennis Del Mar" riverside moment. Even Ennis--said in an off-handed, facetious way--says, "You're a real thinker. . Jack Fuckin' Twist, he's got it all figured out." Jack had figured it out once. . .

I especially love that "Go to hell, Ennis Del Mar" comment. I know I may be treading on dangerous, heretical ground here, but it truly sums up Jack's increasing frustration with the relationship. On the other hand, I empathize with Ennis there because Jack, in his haste to convince Ennis to move closer to him in Texas, does forget about Ennis's relationship with his daughters. The first thing he says in his response to Jack when he says "he outta get out of there" is "...and maybe you can convince Alma to let you and Lureen adopt the girls." There's no doubt Ennis loves his girls, but that also might just be a smokescreen for his own paralyzing paranoia. And it's been pointed out lots of times all over this forum that that irony is palpable--that Ennis and his actions in trying to prevent a replay of the Earl bashing might just have caused Jack's death, whether it be by accident or murder: "Cause if they were living together elsewhere, Jack would not have been where he died. I like to think that that realization by Ennis is a part--maybe just a small part--of "I swear". . .
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: melissasjack on July 08, 2006, 06:09:47 PM
I loved that Post TwistandShout!!!!
 also I really love
"If the army don't get me..."
Mainly because the look on Jack's face is so open and pleading and you can FEEL the love pouring out of those big blue eyes, and he is so sweet and hopeful and Damn, he is one fine boy. Sorry, off topic, but I do love that line.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: HR on July 08, 2006, 09:43:40 PM
MellissasJack,
    Thanks so much for pointing out what I've missed. Emotion induced deafness, I guess. I'll listen for those quotes should I ever get that far into the DVD. (Not successful on that point, yet.)

TwistandShout,
    I agree that, thank goodness, it doesn't take a rocket scientist. But usually, one takes examples and builds on them. That's why, I think, it was so difficult to overcome the only concrete example, which concerned the "Tough Old Birds". (Trying to work a quote in here somewhere).

Cabin,
    Though Jack had more experience, had "been riding more than bulls", he wasn't forthcoming with a counter example to Ennis's childhood horror. Possible cathouse visits don't count as examples, I wouldn't think. In any case "Good on ya, Jack" for coming up with the suggestion, however developed.

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: HR on July 08, 2006, 09:52:20 PM
Are people still doing "Brokeback quotes in normal life"? If so, I request some adjudication for scoring on the following:

    While working on my house, an electrician was trying to get some piece of plastic to fit perfectly. It looked okay to me on the first try, but not to him. After fooling with it for 15 minutes, he stepped back and said "Let it be". I lept in with "It ain't going nowhere".
    So my question is: does it still count, even though the two phrases are backwards? Do I get extra credit for playing off someone else's statement? He didn't seem to overtly take notice, though he did seem very friendly for the rest of his time. Would it count if he recognized where the quote was from?
    Just wondering.

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: john john on July 08, 2006, 09:54:41 PM
Are people still doing "Brokeback quotes in normal life"? If so, I request some adjudication for scoring on the following:

    While working on my house, an electrician was trying to get some piece of plastic to fit perfectly. It looked okay to me on the first try, but not to him. After fooling with it for 15 minutes, he stepped back and said "Let it be". I lept in with "It ain't going nowhere".
    So my question is: does it still count, even though the two phrases are backwards? Do I get extra credit for playing off someone else's statement? He didn't seem to overtly take notice, though he did seem very friendly for the rest of his time. Would it count if he recognized where the quote was from?
    Just wondering.



Your credits are in the mail :)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 08, 2006, 10:41:44 PM
HR:

Absolutely, your quote counts -- sounds just as good.  Congrats

  Were you playing your flattened harmonica?  cause he could have retorted "That harmonica don't sound quite right."


I really enjoy the teasing Ennis dished out.

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: texasgirl on July 09, 2006, 08:21:39 AM
Are people still doing "Brokeback quotes in normal life"?

Absolutely (at least for myself!) Every chance I get.  Now most times, no one catches on.  However, the latest one was caught by a fellow BBM lover (and unknown by me at the time).  I came back to work after being gone for 2 weeks to find out that our teams that we work with have changed and people are having to move offices.  I told that co-worker that it was a "god damn bitch of an unsatisfactory situation".   ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 09, 2006, 08:46:10 AM
texas gal:

I'm sure your coworker caught on right away, it's such a defining quote.  Congrats.

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: texasgirl on July 09, 2006, 02:25:23 PM
texas gal:

I'm sure your coworker caught on right away, it's such a defining quote.  Congrats.

cabin

That she did!  Now I have another person to talk to at work about it!   ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Jenny on July 09, 2006, 11:51:45 PM
I remember how much I loved Jack saying, "It could be like this, just like this, always."  Then, having seen the film, I read the story again.  And that line isn't there.  What Annie had Jack say is, "Listen.  I'm thinkin, tell you what, if you and me had a little ranch together, little cow and calf operation, your horses, it'd be some sweet life."   Annie's Jack is less romantic, less plaintive, and less aware of himself as gay than the Jack of the screenplay.  When he tells Ennis what he's going to do after Brokeback he says, "Thought some about going back up to my daddy's place, give him a hand over the winter, then maybe head out for Texas in the spring.  If the draft don't get me."  He doesn't say, "Or I might be back...".  And when Ennis says he's not queer, Jack replies, "Me neither.  A one-shot thing.  Nobody's business but ours."  And of course, there's no SNIT.

What makes me ache when I read the story is that in it neither of these men ever really said or even thought that they loved each other deeply and completely.  They can never name it.  Annie starts her description of the dozy embrace by saying, "What Jack remembered and craved in a way he could neither help nor understand was the time that distant summer on Brokeback when Ennis had come up behind him and pulled him close, the silent embrace satisfying some shared and sexless hunger."  He doesn't really know what to call that hunger-- he just knows he wants to be with Ennis and have more than brief sexual encounters in the middle of nowhere.  And, "This ain't no little thing that's happenin here." 

But after Jack is dead, he sends Ennis a final message.  First, Lureen tells Ennis that he wanted his ashes scattered on Brokeback Mountain, and said it was his place.  And then it continues, in one of the most heartbreaking passages in the story, which is also one of the most heartbreaking passages in the movie.  "It was his own plaid shirt, lost, he'd thought, long ago in some damned laundry, his dirty shirt, the pocket ripped, buttons missing, stolen by Jack and hidden here inside Jack's own shirt, the pair like two skins, one inside the other, two in one.  He pressed his face into the fabric and breathed in slowly through his mouth and nose, hoping for the faintest smoke and mountain sage and salty sweet stink of Jack but there was no real scent, only the memory of it, the imagined power of Brokeback Mountain of which nothing was left but what he held in his hands."  Annie's words become Ang Lee's images and Heath Ledger's wordless acting, and the perfect correspondence is fuckin' amazing and absolutely devastating.


 



     
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: B73 on July 10, 2006, 03:37:00 PM
Well, I know I'm not alone in this one, but....

I have been calling my husband "darlin'" for years now, but now I've changed it to "lil' darlin'," and he's none the wiser.   ;)

I'll say to people regarding something I dig, "It's kickin' me to high heaven" (see my avatar) (a bit of a paraphrase, I know).

And of course I say "Tell you what" now all the time.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 10, 2006, 03:49:45 PM
Well, I know I'm not alone in this one, but....

I have been calling my husband "darlin'" for years now, but now I've changed it to "lil' darlin'," and he's none the wiser.   ;)

I'll say to people regarding something I dig, "It's kickin' me to high heaven" (see my avatar) (a bit of a paraphrase, I know).

And of course I say "Tell you what" now all the time.

That's great.  Love that lil' darlin -- especially if he's none th wiser.

Now, the kickin' me to high heaven, as long as you don't go around acting being bronco thrown and waving your cowboy hat at all the pretty girls in the stands, you'll be OK.  lol

Tell you what is another everyday good quote to use.                    Another one that I've been using, is using "Whut" just like Ennis used to question Jack's inquisitive look after doing all that talking.  Very clean, can be used often, but very powerful moment we're reminded from the moview everytime we use it.  My other half, also is non-the wiser on most of these.

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: melissasjack on July 10, 2006, 03:52:28 PM
Another good one I try to use is
"What in hell happened?"
Makes me smile...although the person I say it to usually doesn't!!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 10, 2006, 03:54:19 PM
Another good one I try to use is
"What in hell happened?"
Makes me smile...although the person I say it to usually doesn't!!

yep, genuine concern shown by Jack when he realizes Ennis is hurt.   :'(
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: B73 on July 10, 2006, 03:58:00 PM

Now, the kickin' me to high heaven, as long as you don't go around acting being bronco thrown and waving your cowboy hat at all the pretty girls in the stands, you'll be OK.  lol

Naw!  But that's something I so could see myself doing, the way Jack did that for Ennis!

Another one that I've been using, is using "Whut" just like Ennis used to question Jack's inquisitive look after doing all that talking.  Very clean, can be used often, but very powerful moment we're reminded from the moview everytime we use it.  My other half, also is non-the wiser on most of these.

cabin

Love it!  I also like "Tha wha?" re: condiments.   :)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: B73 on July 10, 2006, 04:00:31 PM
Another good one I try to use is
"What in hell happened?"
Makes me smile...although the person I say it to usually doesn't!!

yep, genuine concern shown by Jack when he realizes Ennis is hurt.   :'(

That's a good one to use.  I'll be sure to incorporate it into my repertoire of BBMisms!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: melissasjack on July 10, 2006, 04:11:46 PM

Now, the kickin' me to high heaven, as long as you don't go around acting being bronco thrown and waving your cowboy hat at all the pretty girls in the stands, you'll be OK.  lol

Naw!  But that's something I so could see myself doing, the way Jack did that for Ennis!

Another one that I've been using, is using "Whut" just like Ennis used to question Jack's inquisitive look after doing all that talking.  Very clean, can be used often, but very powerful moment we're reminded from the moview everytime we use it.  My other half, also is non-the wiser on most of these.

cabin

Love it!  I also like "Tha wha?" re: condiments.   :)

Y'know, I find myself Talkin', typin', even smilin' like them sometimes..Can't help it either...
The other day my granny whom I adore, 'cept she's MEAN was tellin' me "Melissa, don't say ain't, it's not a word. Melissa don't sat evrthin, do you want people to think your ignorant? Melissa, what is wrong with you lately? Don't use double negatives."
Ah, Gotta love 90 year old retired english teachers...jeez.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: B73 on July 10, 2006, 04:19:26 PM

Y'know, I find myself Talkin', typin', even smilin' like them sometimes..Can't help it either...
The other day my granny whom I adore, 'cept she's MEAN was tellin' me "Melissa, don't say ain't, it's not a word. Melissa don't sat evrthin, do you want people to think your ignorant? Melissa, what is wrong with you lately? Don't use double negatives."
Ah, Gotta love 90 year old retired english teachers...jeez.

As do I.  Tell you what: what I particularly favor is the usage of such colloquialisms with that kinda good-talkin' English n' sh*t; I ain't jokin'!   :D :D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: melissasjack on July 10, 2006, 04:23:19 PM

Y'know, I find myself Talkin', typin', even smilin' like them sometimes..Can't help it either...
The other day my granny whom I adore, 'cept she's MEAN was tellin' me "Melissa, don't say ain't, it's not a word. Melissa don't sat evrthin, do you want people to think your ignorant? Melissa, what is wrong with you lately? Don't use double negatives."
Ah, Gotta love 90 year old retired english teachers...jeez.

As do I.  Tell you what: what I particularly favor is the usage of such colloquialisms with that kinda good-talkin' English n' sh*t; I ain't jokin'!   :D :D

B73, you rock and are real funny...
and I ain't foolin'!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: B73 on July 10, 2006, 04:43:32 PM

B73, you rock and are real funny...
and I ain't foolin'!

Thankee!  And right back atcha!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on July 10, 2006, 08:13:48 PM
Where did Jack get the idea they could live together as a couple? It seems that the only example either of them has is Earl and Rich. It's a very inventive thought to come up with that in rural Wyoming on your own without some hint of even Greenwich Village existing. Jack could be a deep thinker, after all. At least for the heartfelt things.
Hey, HR, I don't think you have to be a rocket scientist to know you want to live with someone, especially someone you love, whether it be today, yesterday or 100 years ago. And, Jack himself does admit, "I was just thinking out loud" when he suggests that Ennis get outta Wyoming and on to Texas in that "Go to hell, Ennis Del Mar" riverside moment. Even Ennis--said in an off-handed, facetious way--says, "You're a real thinker. . Jack Fuckin' Twist, he's got it all figured out." Jack had figured it out once. . .

I especially love that "Go to hell, Ennis Del Mar" comment. I know I may be treading on dangerous, heretical ground here, but it truly sums up Jack's increasing frustration with the relationship. On the other hand, I empathize with Ennis there because Jack, in his haste to convince Ennis to move closer to him in Texas, does forget about Ennis's relationship with his daughters. The first thing he says in his response to Jack when he says "he outta get out of there" is "...and maybe you can convince Alma to let you and Lureen adopt the girls." There's no doubt Ennis loves his girls, but that also might just be a smokescreen for his own paralyzing paranoia. And it's been pointed out lots of times all over this forum that that irony is palpable--that Ennis and his actions in trying to prevent a replay of the Earl bashing might just have caused Jack's death, whether it be by accident or murder: "Cause if they were living together elsewhere, Jack would not have been where he died. I like to think that that realization by Ennis is a part--maybe just a small part--of "I swear". . .
Hey, Mister....Actually, I think I might have said this elsewhere, and I hope to give true pleasure by saying it again. IMO, of course: I really think Ennis' little diatribe on sheepherding in Texas is an expression of his own latent fantasy of, you guessed it, living with Jack. Note this scenario leaves Alma in Riverton, but brings the kids, includes Jack and him, allows Lureen to be legal guardian, showing Ennis wants the girls to have a mother, etc. You get the picture. All of Ennis' own true desires:
the Outdoors life; His children; The idylic perfection of BBM (sheepherding); Jack. A woman to help take care or the girls.
Are all spewed out sarcastically in this fantasy. As they say: Sarcasm is the protest of the weak.
Ennis can't really admit/express/have all this stuff, so it comes out of him as an assault on Jack-as per normal, in Ennis' case. Because  Jack didn't ease his mind of his paranoic ramblings-he actually made it worse, by suggesting Texas.

I can't help but love Ennis at that moment, for his sheer dumb lack of self-awareness of his own obviously smoochie desires, as bad as I feel for Jack, who is only trying to help.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: B73 on July 10, 2006, 08:44:48 PM

Hey, Mister....Actually, I think I might have said this elsewhere, and I hope to give true pleasure by saying it again. IMO, of course: I really think Ennis' little diatribe on sheepherding in Texas is an expression of his own latent fantasy of, you guessed it, living with Jack. Note this scenario leaves Alma in Riverton, but brings the kids, includes Jack and him, allows Lureen to be legal guardian, showing Ennis wants the girls to have a mother, etc. You get the picture. All of Ennis' own true desires:
the Outdoors life; His children; The idylic perfection of BBM (sheepherding); Jack. A woman to help take care or the girls.
Are all spewed out sarcastically in this fantasy. As they say: Sarcasm is the protest of the weak.
Ennis can't really admit/express/have all this stuff, so it comes out of him as an assault on Jack-as per normal, in Ennis' case. Because  Jack didn't ease his mind of his paranoic ramblings-he actually made it worse, by suggesting Texas.

I can't help but love Ennis at that moment, for his sheer dumb lack of self-awareness of his own obviously smoochie desires, as bad as I feel for Jack, who is only trying to help.


Hey, CSI, I like that hypothesis!  It swims well.  Never thought o' that before, but I dig it.  And how sad that it seems as though Ennis is punishing himself for having those fantasies by sneering at them and rubbing it in (to himself) how impossible and absurd they are.   :'(
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: daphne on July 11, 2006, 03:32:01 AM
Are people still doing "Brokeback quotes in normal life"?

Absolutely (at least for myself!) Every chance I get.  Now most times, no one catches on.  However, the latest one was caught by a fellow BBM lover (and unknown by me at the time).  I came back to work after being gone for 2 weeks to find out that our teams that we work with have changed and people are having to move offices.  I told that co-worker that it was a "god damn bitch of an unsatisfactory situation".   ;D

Me too. I have to translate, since English is not my language, and I can't start speaking a foreign language all of a sudden - or somebody would call an exorcist  ;D. Something gets lost, of course, but if you can't fix it, you gotta stand it  ;).

This is the latest quote I used: I was having breakfast with hubby. We don't like the usual brand of cookies anymore, but we're so lazy that we keep on buying and eating them. One morning I said "we gotta do something about this food situation". I didn't suggest to kill a sheep, though  :D

Plus, instead of using the curse words that my native language offers (there's thousands of them  ;)) I'm currently using "shhhhhhhit" (yes, in English!). But I don't think it counts  :D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: daphne on July 11, 2006, 04:04:02 AM
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Being serious, there are so many quotes of this movie I treasure. But after all this time I think this one is my favorite. The tenderness here is overwhelming - with just a few words Annie was able to express the revolutionary strenght and the deep intensity of Ennis' love for Jack - this love is so strong that Ennis transcends himself, his usual behavior, his attitude, everything (and I love the screencap together with the quote, ConstantReader, amazing job).
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on July 11, 2006, 07:33:18 AM
Hey, Mister....Actually, I think I might have said this elsewhere, and I hope to give true pleasure by saying it again. IMO, of course: I really think Ennis' little diatribe on sheepherding in Texas is an expression of his own latent fantasy of, you guessed it, living with Jack. Note this scenario leaves Alma in Riverton, but brings the kids, includes Jack and him, allows Lureen to be legal guardian, showing Ennis wants the girls to have a mother, etc. You get the picture. All of Ennis' own true desires:
the Outdoors life; His children; The idylic perfection of BBM (sheepherding); Jack. A woman to help take care or the girls.
Are all spewed out sarcastically in this fantasy. As they say: Sarcasm is the protest of the weak.
Ennis can't really admit/express/have all this stuff, so it comes out of him as an assault on Jack-as per normal, in Ennis' case. Because  Jack didn't ease his mind of his paranoic ramblings-he actually made it worse, by suggesting Texas.

I can't help but love Ennis at that moment, for his sheer dumb lack of self-awareness of his own obviously smoochie desires, as bad as I feel for Jack, who is only trying to help.
EXCELLENT analysis, CSI. This story is like an onion, and I'm always impressed by those like you who can strip it down another layer or two thereby making it even more revelatory, satisfying, and, ultimately . . .tragic [many of us on this forum can't seem to get enough of tragedy--that so many of us see it as validation and affirmation of the circumstances of our lives will, someday I'm sure, be the subject of more than a few psychological/sociological doctoral theses. But that's a whole other ball of wax].

That Ennis loses control of the camping utensil is a great metaphor for not only losing control of his emotions and getting angry at Jack, but also having lost control of his life and the opportunity to redirect it and realize it in a manner as suggested by Jack. As he dances after the object that's floating away [on that river of life], his anger becomes a form of self-flagellation awakened not only by Jack's suggestion but, as you so rightly point out, by his own idealized fantasy of a life with Jack.

However, the all-too-real tragedy is that the idealization remains FOREVER out of his reach not only metaphorically but "really" as well. Rather than the second, angry manner in which he says "Jack Fuckin' Twist" [in the first, in the reunion scene, love and desire permeates every syllable, and in the third, during their final argument, "Jack Fuckin' Twist" just seethes with more than a touch of murder in its intonation], he might as well be truly, bitterly, and self-loathingly saying "Ennis Fuckin' Del Mar" instead.

Well, so much for me wanting to start his day on an upbeat, happy note. . .
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 11, 2006, 10:08:40 AM
Melissasjack

Talking, typing, and even smiling -- gotta work on the last 2.


And about your granny,  I guess she’s done right by you, huh?

I’m sure she is a Great English Teacher, they never give up that’s why you always remember them.  Mine was Mrs. Sorrell (Jr. and Sr. in High School).

Daphne

Instead of your usual brand of cookies, Piece of Cherry Cake?
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: melissasjack on July 11, 2006, 10:22:43 AM
Melissasjack

Talking, typing, and even smiling -- gotta work on the last 2.


And about your granny,  I guess she’s done right by you, huh?

I’m sure she is a Great English Teacher, they never give up that’s why you always remember them.  Mine was Mrs. Sorrell (Jr. and Sr. in High School).

Daphne

Instead of your usual brand of cookies, Piece of Cherry Cake?


Oh yeah... ;)
I can't eat no cake jus' yet....
but thanks, Daphne!

Granny is still recovering from readin' the sex scenes in the novel....(shit, I am too...that's why i live in slash land)
ain't no reins on this one....(grins wickedly) ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 11, 2006, 10:44:18 AM
Melissasjack

Talking, typing, and even smiling -- gotta work on the last 2.


And about your granny,  I guess she’s done right by you, huh?

I’m sure she is a Great English Teacher, they never give up that’s why you always remember them.  Mine was Mrs. Sorrell (Jr. and Sr. in High School).

Daphne

Instead of your usual brand of cookies, Piece of Cherry Cake?


Oh yeah... ;)
I can't eat no cake jus' yet....
but thanks, Daphne!

Granny is still recovering from readin' the sex scenes in the novel....(shit, I am too...that's why i live in slash land)
ain't no reins on this one....(grins wickedly) ;)

Speaking of grannies -  go see the Daily Sheet and a poster telling us about his/her mother watching the movie and during the Jack Twist scene by river washing Ennis' shirt.  It's jut halarious.  That would be a great "Quote" tie-in to the movie.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: daphne on July 11, 2006, 10:47:56 AM
Daphne

Instead of your usual brand of cookies, Piece of Cherry Cake?


LOL Great suggestion! Can't wait for tomorrow morning  ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Laurentia on July 11, 2006, 12:46:32 PM
Did you know there's a recipe for Cherry Cake in the recipes thread? I made one myself and it turned out great, so I'm just waiting for an excuse to invite people over and tell them they want a cup of coffee, don't they, and a piece of CC. I'll have to make a new cake first, though, because I already ate the first one myself - I can guarantee its yummyness.

Anyway, I heartily recommend that cake to anyone who likes baking; the original recipe is Australian, but I can help with adapting it if need be.

Aaah, the Daily Sheet quote! I've been thinking of it all day, it's priceless!
"I wonder if he does windows?"  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on July 11, 2006, 01:31:54 PM
EXCELLENT analysis, CSI. This story is like an onion, and I'm always impressed by those like you who can strip it down another layer or two thereby making it even more revelatory, satisfying, and, ultimately . . .tragic [many of us on this forum can't seem to get enough of tragedy--that so many of us see it as validation and affirmation of the circumstances of our lives will, someday I'm sure, be the subject of more than a few psychological/sociological doctoral theses. But that's a whole other ball of wax].

That Ennis loses control of the camping utensil is a great metaphor for not only losing control of his emotions and getting angry at Jack, but also having lost control of his life and the opportunity to redirect it and realize it in a manner as suggested by Jack. As he dances after the object that's floating away [on that river of life], his anger becomes a form of self-flagellation awakened not only by Jack's suggestion but, as you so rightly point out, by his own idealized fantasy of a life with Jack.

However, the all-too-real tragedy is that the idealization remains FOREVER out of his reach not only metaphorically but "really" as well. Rather than the second, angry manner in which he says "Jack Fuckin' Twist" [in the first, in the reunion scene, love and desire permeates every syllable, and in the third, during their final argument, "Jack Fuckin' Twist" just seethes with more than a touch of murder in its intonation], he might as well be truly, bitterly, and self-loathingly saying "Ennis Fuckin' Del Mar" instead.

Well, so much for me wanting to start his day on an upbeat, happy note. . .
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As always, B, you've taken it to the next level. I NEVER even considered the pan as a metaphor for Ennis' lack of control; could it also be his lack of willful direction, ie, it goes into the river, and goes downstream? Ennis is always getting pulled backwards, by virtue of not going forward.
I never really thought that thru before..thanks.
And I love your take on Ennis punishing himself-he is always ripe for that, tragically, as you pointed out. It continues to amaze me what a good handler Jack is, when he has such an emotional basket case on his hands. Minimally, he is able to avoid further confrontation, by walking away. :)
As for a happy note, seek Photocaptioning thread; I did a few this am. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Rosewood on July 11, 2006, 03:53:04 PM
 
Something from the short story that I wish they'd included in the film, because it says SO
much about Ennis.

Also here, we have one of the first of Jack's many accommodations.
In my opinion, I believe that emotionally, Jack knows perfectly well that he (Jack) is gay, (though he may not actually think of himself in such a specific way) but here begins the lifetime charade of making believe for Ennis's sake. And in the end when Ennis mentions Mexico and what they got there for 'boys like you,' it shows us that Ennis understood all along about Jack. But not him (Ennis), never him. He was something else. Not gay. Just something undefined. Something else.

First Jack is speaking, talking about the nuts and bolts of bull riding, etc and
why he got out:

    "....Other reasons. I'm getting out while I can still walk."
    Ennis pulled Jack's hand to his mouth, took a hit from his cigarette, exhaled. "Sure as hell
seem in one piece to me. You know, I was sitting up here all that time tryin to figure out if
I was - ? I know I ain't. I mean here we both got wives and kids, right? I like doin' it with
women, yeah, but Jesus H., ain't nothing like this. I never had no thoughts a doin it with
another guy except I sure wrang it out a hundred times thinkin about you. You do it with
other guys, Jack?"

I love the way Ennis says, "Sure as hell seem in one piece to me."
This is the first, and I think, the only time that Ennis speaks to Jack's body or looks or
attractiveness or whatever physical thing it is that has grabbed hold of Ennis and won't let go.
We can easily imagine the source of Ennis's desire. But, here Ennis declares it.
He desires all of Jack.There's nothing about Jack he doesn't like or want.
Whatever it is that Jack possesses, Ennis hungers for it. He admires it. He longs for it - and did all along. It is such a simple sentence, but so loaded with innuendo.

Here Ennis spends four years wondering if he's gay and, in the end, decides he's not.
He doesn't want any other guy.
He has a wife and kids.
Proof.

Yet, his emotion, his desire, his very 'self' is focused on Jack from this moment on.
He kept himself for Jack and for Jack only for four long years.
I wonder what Jack makes of this.

"You do it with other guys, Jack?"
There's an aching naivete to this that I find so touching. (I always mist up when he asks this.
Because I know that Jack MUST lie to him. In a way, Ennis is begging Jack to lie to him.)
Ennis wants to strengthen the bond somehow by making sure that this 'thing' between
them is totally unique. That Jack won't or doesn't or can't share his body with any other man.
So in this way, Ennis makes himself seem extra special in his own eyes.
I must be special because Jack keeps himself only for me.
So damned touching.
It is here, I believe, that Ennis asks for Jack's devotion and Jack does the best he can
to deliver.

From the movie:

One of the quotes I love best is from the night before the final confrontation.
When Jack says: (I'm doing this from memory so can't quite remember if he says, "To tell you the truth or....)

"Tell you the truth. Sometimes I miss you so much I can't hardly stand it."

Jack's admission seems almost as if it is torn out of him. It is heart wrenching.
Especially because it comes after moments of bullshitting about women and supposed marital
highjinks. I mean, it is obvious that Jack can't stand the lies anymore.
I love, especially, the brilliant way that JG delivers these lines.
The long pauses in between the words. Almost as if he is afraid to continue, but must.
After he says "...truth" there is the longest pause. Should he or shouldn't he?
After twenty years, this is the closest we've seen one of these men come to admitting
his love.

I can imagine Jack out with Randall or whatever, all the while loving Ennis, missing Ennis,
thinking of Ennis, substituting for Ennis. I mean, it becomes unbearable.
I don't know how Jack stood it.
JG perfectly expresses that excrutiating longing in those few words.

And Ennis, unable to respond in words, internalizes everything. Absords Jack's words
and must, I'm thinking, derive some sort of satisfaction from knowing that after twenty
years, Jack is still his. But at what price?

Yeah, I am romanticizing - so what.
What is between these two men if it isn't love?
Why do we care so much if it isn't love?

Yeah, of course it is a tragedy.
But it is a great romantic tragedy.
That's the one thing I'm sure of.




Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 12, 2006, 07:54:25 AM

Something from the short story that I wish they'd included in the film, because it says SO
much about Ennis.

Also here, we have one of the first of Jack's many accommodations.
In my opinion, I believe that emotionally, Jack knows perfectly well that he (Jack) is gay, (though he may not actually think of himself in such a specific way) but here begins the lifetime charade of making believe fo

snip

Yeah, of course it is a tragedy.
But it is a great romantic tragedy.
That's the one thing I'm sure of.



Thanks for your post as it reveals the differences in the short story and the movie.   We can certainly read other angles from the book quotes compared to the movie quotes.  It reveals many of the nuances that just don't come through in the movie.  I like your take on Ennis knowing all along by his "boys like you" exchange where it reveals that Ennis has been doing alot of thinking about their relationship all these years.

You are absolutely right, the "sometimes I miss you so much . . . ." quote is an admission and a declaration that Jack Twist loves Ennis.  Next time you see this scene, look at Ennis right after Twist tells him this.  There is  a faint smile that comes across Ennis' face, perhaps happy to hear Jack saying that and because he also loves Jack.  Of course, Ennis would not call it by its true name -- love.

One knows exactly what is going on and the other one is experiencing the same thing, but can't figure out what to call it.

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: littledarlin on July 12, 2006, 06:38:21 PM
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Being serious, there are so many quotes of this movie I treasure. But after all this time I think this one is my favorite. The tenderness here is overwhelming - with just a few words Annie was able to express the revolutionary strenght and the deep intensity of Ennis' love for Jack - this love is so strong that Ennis transcends himself, his usual behavior, his attitude, everything (and I love the screencap together with the quote, ConstantReader, amazing job).

OMG How did I miss this ?????????????  Thank you Daphne and CR for making my favorite quote even more beautiful!!  It is perfection!!! I love they way Ennis lets down his guard and tells Jack what's in his heart, how special he is to Ennis, how much he loves and misses him, all in two little words, makes me smile and cry.  I have to figure out how to make this my screen saver!!!!

Finally got to use a line the other night.  It was my third bible study class and they mentioned the Pentecost!!!  *huge grin on my face* Of course I asked, What exactly is the Pentecost?  didn't say my folks was Methodist tho.  Jeez, then I felt like a sinner for the rest of the class ;D ;D and I love having that BB smile glued to my face!!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: 1224butternut on July 12, 2006, 06:38:28 PM
Rosewood -- you nailed it
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on July 13, 2006, 08:52:26 PM
I've literally gotten minor headaches thinking too hard about Rosewood's posts...a brilliant mind at work.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on July 14, 2006, 02:09:29 PM
I've literally gotten minor headaches thinking too hard about Rosewood's posts...a brilliant mind at work.
Rosewood's analysis, in my opinion, is almost always spot-on and definitive. I've been in awe since I first encountered her.

And you're not too far behind either, kiddo. . . I save posts from both of you.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Rosewood on July 14, 2006, 02:32:07 PM
Awww, guys.
I'm blushing.
All this flattery is bound to go to my head.
Hey, I'm only human after all...!

(Your posts are equally wonderful and full of pith. I can't imagine a better
Forum anywhere else on the internet. This is truly a special place. "Old Brokeback
got us good." Yeah, I guess you could say that.)

You are all so damned kind.
Now all I have to do is try and live up to your expectations.
Jeez.
Talk about pressure!  :D

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on July 14, 2006, 09:26:34 PM
I've literally gotten minor headaches thinking too hard about Rosewood's posts...a brilliant mind at work.
Rosewood's analysis, in my opinion, is almost always spot-on and definitive. I've been in awe since I first encountered her.

And you're not too far behind either, kiddo. . . I save posts from both of you.
Ah, Twin, you don't have to save anything-you already know what I'm thinking! ;)


Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: B73 on July 14, 2006, 10:07:13 PM
BBM is a kaleidoscope, and rosewood, CSI, and other great minds turn the kaleidoscope this way and that, giving us all a new perspective on an endlessly changing but eternally fixed story.  Wow. 

On a lighter note....  :D

I went with mate to a Japanese restaurant, and I got a bowl of soup with my dinner.  Pushed it to mate for him to eat, me saying "I don't eat soup," and he oblivious just nodded and dug in.  Secret smile!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: melissasjack on July 14, 2006, 10:25:44 PM
BBM is a kaleidoscope, and rosewood, CSI, and other great minds turn the kaleidoscope this way and that, giving us all a new perspective on an endlessly changing but eternally fixed story.  Wow. 

On a lighter note....  :D

I went with mate to a Japanese restaurant, and I got a bowl of soup with my dinner.  Pushed it to mate for him to eat, me saying "I don't eat soup," and he oblivious just nodded and dug in.  Secret smile!

That just rocks...love that too, and how he got it for his Jack later anyways!!!
Hey, I loved your poem...read it this afternoon, and gave you a heads up in Slash Land...Exquisite.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: B73 on July 14, 2006, 10:38:48 PM
BBM is a kaleidoscope, and rosewood, CSI, and other great minds turn the kaleidoscope this way and that, giving us all a new perspective on an endlessly changing but eternally fixed story.  Wow. 

On a lighter note....  :D

I went with mate to a Japanese restaurant, and I got a bowl of soup with my dinner.  Pushed it to mate for him to eat, me saying "I don't eat soup," and he oblivious just nodded and dug in.  Secret smile!

That just rocks...love that too, and how he got it for his Jack later anyways!!!
Hey, I loved your poem...read it this afternoon, and gave you a heads up in Slash Land...Exquisite.

Friend, I thank you!   :-* :-*  Glad you liked.  What this movie does to us, no????
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: B73 on July 16, 2006, 09:11:17 AM
I dropped a BBM quote that I've been meaning to tell you about - a couple of weeks ago I went to see another forumite, Iver, at his cabin in Norway. It was a great party with about forty guests and a BBM inspired menu of lamb and beans. We were all sitting outdoors at a long table, the evening went on and I grew a bit cold even though I was wearing my jacket and my beloved cowboy hat. Iver came up to me and asked - in English - if I was enjoying myself and I said yes, but I was a little cold, then without thinking continued:
"Do you have a blanket or something?"

I know the exact quote would be "an extra blanket" but at the time I felt BBMish enough saying that. Iver didn't seem to notice it, though, or maybe he was just being discreet  :)

Yay!  Isn't it great to have the chance to sneak in a BBM line?  I was at Home Depot hardware store with a friend yesterday; the store's pretty big, so we got separated, and I spent all this time looking for him because he wasn't where he said he'd be.  When I finally found him I got to say "Where in the hell you been?"  Hee!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on July 16, 2006, 06:03:25 PM
My new fav line to use everywhere I can is "Tell you what." Obviously, it's a Twist family favorite. Jack says it twice to Ennis in their last scene together:
1. "Tell you what. . .truth is. . .sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it" [God, how I LOVE that line.]; and
2.  "Tell you what. We coulda had a good life together, a fuckin' real good life. . .but you didn't want it, Ennis." [God, how I HATE that line.]

And ol' man Twist repeats that line to Ennis not once, but twice:
1. "Tell you what. I know where Brokeback Mountain is" [God, don't we all know where Brokeback Mountain is 'cause we left our HEARTS there.]; and,
2. "Tell you what. We got a family plot and he's goin' in it." [God, what a DASTARDLY thing to say and do--to go against your dead son's last wish!?!]

For Ennis to hear that line coming out of the stud duck's mouth must have been bittersweet, to say the least. To be reminded of something the love of your life used to say must have been reassuring, but to also be reminded of the context you last heard it--an argument--must have been heartbreaking. It was the added the twist of the knife that Twist Sr. meant to impart to Ennis in his sneering monologue [the actual knife was the mentioning of the ranch neighbor of Jack's from down in Texas. The "twist" was pure, unintended serendipity for the old man, since I'm sure he didn't know about that argument].

Well, tell you what. I LOVE that line. . .
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: B73 on July 16, 2006, 07:13:20 PM
My new fav line to use everywhere I can is "Tell you what." Obviously, it's a Twist family favorite. Jack says it twice to Ennis in their last scene together:
1. "Tell you what. . .truth is. . .sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it" [God, how I LOVE that line.]; and
2.  "Tell you what. We coulda had a good life together, a fuckin' real good life. . .but you didn't want it, Ennis." [God, how I HATE that line.]

And ol' man Twist repeats that line to Ennis not once, but twice:
1. "Tell you what. I know where Brokeback Mountain is" [God, don't we all know where Brokeback Mountain is 'cause we left our HEARTS there.]; and,
2. "Tell you what. We got a family plot and he's goin' in it." [God, what a DASTARDLY thing to say and do--to go against your dead son's last wish!?!]

For Ennis to hear that line coming out of the stud duck's mouth must have been bittersweet, to say the least. To be reminded of something the love of your life used to say must have been reassuring, but to also be reminded of the context you last heard it--an argument--must have been heartbreaking. It was the added the twist of the knife that Twist Sr. meant to impart to Ennis in his sneering monologue [the actual knife was the mentioning of the ranch neighbor of Jack's from down in Texas. The "twist" was pure, unintended serendipity for the old man, since I'm sure he didn't know about that argument].

Well, tell you what. I LOVE that line. . .

Tell you what, TwistandShout: when I first read the short story (way before I saw the film) I was struck by exactly what you just said--the tellyouwhats flying in the Twist family.  It is also one of my faves now which I use compulsively!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Jazzwoman on July 17, 2006, 04:59:08 PM
What about "Here I am" ?

OMG, Jack says it in the post-divorce scene and it still makes me tear up. "Got your card the divorce came through. Well: Here I am!"
 :'(  Lovely, lovely Jack. 
Of course it is a bit naive, but damn, he is in love and wants a chance for that love....

I mean, what is more beautiful than to declare your love by saying nothing different but "I'll give up everything I have, because you are the most important thing in my life and now I'm here to love you and to go everywhere with you." ?
Because this is what it means.

Hell, the quote shows how innocent Jack is. Again, he is like a child, in a way. Adorable.

The line warms my heart and makes me sad every time I hear it, because I know what a frustrating answer he will get from Ennis.

Goodnight Kisses to all the Jack Twists outside there! :-* :-* :-* :-* 

 
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: B73 on July 17, 2006, 05:12:35 PM
What about "Here I am" ?

OMG, Jack says it in the post-divorce scene and it still makes me tear up. "Got your card the divorce came through. Well: Here I am!"
 :'(  Lovely, lovely Jack. 
Of course it is a bit naive, but damn, he is in love and wants a chance for that love....

I mean, what is more beautiful than to declare your love by saying nothing different but "I'll give up everything I have, because you are the most important thing in my life and now I'm here to love you and to go everywhere with you." ?
Because this is what it means.

Hell, the quote shows how innocent Jack is. Again, he is like a child, in a way. Adorable.

The line warms my heart and makes me sad every time I hear it, because I know what a frustrating answer he will get from Ennis.

Goodnight Kisses to all the Jack Twists outside there! :-* :-* :-* :-* 

 

You know, I haven't even thought of that one, but I agree.  So sad, yet so sweet when he says it.   :-*
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: 1224butternut on July 17, 2006, 07:33:15 PM
Yes, and of course, Jack's response "Yeah, all right".  Well it wasn't all right.  Far from all right.  It is the worst.  The last hope, dashed, smashed and crushed.  No excuses left, just a heart in pieces.
Title: "all right"
Post by: Marc on July 18, 2006, 09:18:17 AM
I just moved something I posted here this morning to the General Discussion thread.  It's more appropriate there.  More brilliant dialog.

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Jazzwoman on July 24, 2006, 10:33:55 AM
Yeehaaw!!!!!!!!

I found a new quote to love, this time in the screenplay. The quote can't turn up in the film, because it is a description and you can therefore only see it, not hear it.

It's the way Diana and Larry describe Ennis and Jack on their way down Brokeback.
The boys ride together, side by side, each too full of  feeling to speak.
Ouch. So simple yet so sad. It really made me well up. Received the screenplay three days ago and I'm still getting all watery in my eyes.
Am I an emotional masochist? I love to read about things that make me sad and miserable.


Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 24, 2006, 11:00:17 AM
Yeehaaw!!!!!!!!

I found a new quote to love, this time in the screenplay. The quote can't turn up in the film, because it is a description and you can therefore only see it, not hear it.

It's the way Diana and Larry describe Ennis and Jack on their way down Brokeback.
The boys ride together, side by side, each too full of  feeling to speak.

Ouch. So simple yet so sad. It really made me well up. Received the screenplay three days ago and I'm still getting all watery in my eyes.
Am I an emotional masochist? I love to read about things that make me sad and miserable.




Join the group.   You will find that you will read that screenplay over and over and over again.  I really enjoy it cause the movie visual will come to mind as you read it.

Lots of fun and I'm sure you'll be enjoying it for days.

Gerry
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on July 25, 2006, 09:44:20 AM
I got engaged, hat over my heart and ring on her finger this weekend in front of half of Wyoming. Called her "lil darlin" when I slipped the ring on.

Does that count?
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 25, 2006, 11:31:31 AM
I got engaged, hat over my heart and ring on her finger this weekend in front of half of Wyoming. Called her "lil darlin" when I slipped the ring on.

Does that count?

Absolutely,  extra points if you lovingly head-butted her.

gerry
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on July 25, 2006, 10:51:38 PM
Nope. But when she picked me up at DIAirport on Saturday night she headbutted ME, kissed me so hard my hat ended up on the tarmac. Lost the headband too, I'm serious, had to buy a new one up in Cheyenne Sunday lol.
But I think the extra points are warranted anyway...this ex-NYC Boy made half of Cheyenne  cheer when I got down on bended knee, hat over my heart to  propose and slip a ring on her finger once all the yellow roses I'd ordered got delivered during Keith Urban's concert.
For once gotta give myself credit, it took a lotta work  on the part of a lotta people to bring it all together, Keith sang Making Memories Of Us for the first time in 2 years, it was the song I'd asked if he'd sing. She was in complete shock, didn't have a clue!
Funniest thing---afterwards, people kept asking me if I was from Casper or Cheyenne or Laramie and got speechless when i said NYC { "Like that SALSA commercial???"} Couple of girls and 1 quiet cowpoke  told me I was a natural cowboy roflmao. Good on a horse these days.
Next day she bought a t-shirt that said SAVE A HORSE, RIDE A COWBOY. lmao. Like I said, good cowboy instincts. Sometimes it takes a switchhitter to do it right
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on July 26, 2006, 01:28:15 PM
Like my conjoined twin, who is about 3000 miles away, Twist&Shout, I too find myself saying "Tell you what" alot.
Another line I love is Jack's, "Friend, that's more words than you spoke in two weeks." There is no going back from that; minimally, that line alone would make them dear friends. I can guarantee Ennis remembered that line forever.
He learned from Jack; hell, he takes over Jack's bitching in the scene where Jack informs him Aguirre is cutting the summer short. They practically switch-again-here, in terms of roles, ie, the stander and the bitcher.
He has given thought to this non-communication thing, and has found it wanting-because of Jack.
 (I'm saying "hell" alot more, too..... ;))
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistEnnis on July 26, 2006, 09:50:04 PM
hi
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Laurentia on July 26, 2006, 10:06:34 PM
TwistEnnis, I loved your story! What an incredibly relaxed and funny guy your brother-in-law is (and you don't seem too boring yourself either, come to think of it!)  :D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Wayne SF on July 27, 2006, 01:32:21 PM
TwistEnnis

Okay, that has to be the best fan-fiction I have ever read.  Just kidding.  Some people's real life is better than other's fantasy!!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on July 27, 2006, 02:36:50 PM
I still like mine better roflmao.....gettin engaged, hat over my heart and spontaneously callin her lil darlin in front of half of Cheyenne was waaay memorable
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistEnnis on July 27, 2006, 07:41:24 PM
TwistEnnis

Okay, that has to be the best fan-fiction I have ever read. 
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistEnnis on July 27, 2006, 07:42:55 PM
TwistEnnis, I loved your story!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 31, 2006, 09:36:00 AM
brokeback1.

Sounds like "high-class entertainment", congratulations and she knocking your hat off, gets ya the extra points.


Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on July 31, 2006, 09:39:51 AM
True story or fan fiction, I like it ;)

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Cameron816 on July 31, 2006, 01:46:20 PM
All I can say, just take the entire screen play, there you go, there's my quote.

There is one that I look for, don't know why, but I guess because I never heard it in the theater... only discovered in when watching the DVD

After that first summer where Ennis and Jack are saying goodbye to each other at Jack's truck, when Ennis says, "I can't believe I left my shirt...", then you see Jack give a sheepish "yeah".  Something about that line sets a marker of validation to be discovered some 20 years later.  I break down in tears every time I see/hear this line, because knowing the outcome of Ennis's missing shirt, tears my heart out.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Rosewood on July 31, 2006, 04:31:12 PM
When Jack says "Yeah..." he looks just the slightest bit guilty and if I'm remembering correctly,
looks briefly down or to the side...he knows he has the shirt squirreled away in the truck
somewhere...what could he be thinking at that point? That he's probably not going to see
Ennis again? So at least he has the shirt stained with his blood.
He probably couldn't help himself, he has to have a momento of their brief time
together. Maybe it was an unconscious thing, he saw a chance and took the shirt without
really thinking ahead.
I wonder if Jack knows, at this exact moment, almost too late, that he's in love with Ennis.
Or does the shirt grow in meaning over the years?
Does it come with time to define Brokeback for him?
Or does it do so from the getgo?
This just adds so much depth to the scene, although if you don't know the story,
you aren't aware of this. It's only later that we go back and realize what that 'yeah'
meant.
Heartbreaking.

Speaking of breaking down in tears...

There's a line in the short story prologue that does it to me every single damned time.
This is after Ennis is suffused with pleasure because Jack Twist was in
his dream...

"If he does not force his attention on it, it might stoke the day, rewarm that old, cold
time on the mountain when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong."

This line makes the prologue, makes the story, defines the early relationship and Ennis's
feelings from the beginning. It is SUCH a heartbreaking line. In as much as that it
instantly makes a picture for us. It speaks to Ennis's loneliness and longing and
regret.

"...when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong."

Gosh, this just makes me take a deep breath, every time.
A breath usually followed by a broken kind of sob. AND this is so NOT me.
It is almost as if Proulx reaches inside me and yanks out a piece of my heart.
Too much power to give a writer.
But there it is.

There is SUCH yearning in this line.....
Ennis thinks back to their time on Brokeback as unspoiled, perfect,
filled with wonder, need and desire.

Jack Twist was in his dream. Jeez.



Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Wayne SF on July 31, 2006, 05:27:19 PM

Speaking of breaking down in tears...

There's a line in the short story prologue that does it to me every single damned time.
This is after Ennis is suffused with pleasure because Jack Twist was in
his dream...


I used this line as my tag line for two reasons.  First and foremost, b/c of what you have just outlned.  Secondly, it used to bother me that I never had dreams about my husband (of almost nineteen years).  Since reading this story...and especially since seeing the movie...my husband is always in my dreams.   I am so thrilled about that.

"If he does not force his attention on it, it might stoke the day, rewarm that old, cold
time on the mountain when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong."

This line makes the prologue, makes the story, defines the early relationship and Ennis's
feelings from the beginning. It is SUCH a heartbreaking line. In as much as that it
instantly makes a picture for us. It speaks to Ennis's loneliness and longing and
regret.

"...when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong."

Gosh, this just makes me take a deep breath, every time.
A breath usually followed by a broken kind of sob. AND this is so NOT me.
It is almost as if Proulx reaches inside me and yanks out a piece of my heart.
Too much power to give a writer.
But there it is.

There is SUCH yearning in this line.....
Ennis thinks back to their time on Brokeback as unspoiled, perfect,
filled with wonder, need and desire.

Jack Twist was in his dream. Jeez.


This line is probabley the single one line whch stands out as constantly nagging at me...everyday.  I can feel that cold air cutting through me and energizing me.  Because the cold air brings back good memories. 
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Cameron816 on July 31, 2006, 06:06:30 PM
<snip>...

"If he does not force his attention on it, it might stoke the day, rewarm that old, cold
time on the mountain when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong."
.. <snip>..

There is SUCH yearning in this line.....
Ennis thinks back to their time on Brokeback as unspoiled, perfect,
filled with wonder, need and desire.

Jack Twist was in his dream. Jeez.
rosewood -

I did not realize the short story had a prologue, because the version I had was some text file I'd downloaded from the internet.  Anyway, I went out searching for it and soon enough I've found one.  GOD!!  I try to read it aloud and I break completely down.  This hurt me so bad I screamed "God Damn It, Annie Proulx!"  When will I stop rediscovering new pain from this story.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on July 31, 2006, 11:47:52 PM
The prologue made me flip when I first saw it. It's like a bash over the head. And to this day, with all that's happened since, it makes me cringe inside.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Wayne SF on August 01, 2006, 07:41:21 AM
The prologue turns the short story into a flashback.  It dramatically changes the tone of the story. 
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistEnnis on August 01, 2006, 11:45:54 AM
I too love the Prologue.  I think it sets the whole tone of the story.  When I first received a copy of the short story and started reading, I was a little perplexed by the prologue - I could feel the power of it, but didn't quite understand just HOW powerful it was.  That was until I finished reading the story, THEN, I went back and reread the prologue...and bawled and bawled.  At that point, the sadness crept inside my soul and seems to have lodged permanent living quarters since then.  Sometimes the sadness is much more evident and has a great influence on my mood. At other times I hardly feel it, but I always know that it's lurking, waiting for an invitation to rear it's ugly head.  But from this sadness I have learned such a great deal about myself - and I have learned to appreciate the outdoors like never before.  So for me, sadness isn't always a bad thing - it's part of healing, growing, and learning.  And part of growing for me has been the ability to handle my sadness by just letting myself feel down when it happens.  I learn so much about myself during these times.  I know this probably sounds crazy, but that's how the prologue/book/movie has changed me.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Rosewood on August 01, 2006, 01:27:50 PM
Yeah, looks like we're all on the same page here.  :)

I believe the prologue was added later for the New Yorker..
Not sure, though.
Far as I'm concerned, the prologue is what lifts BBM into the realm of legend.
(I'm repeating myself, I know, but what the hell....)

Although great without it, in my opinion, BBM is immediately made superb by it.
The prologue focuses the short story, makes it more than the sum of its parts.
I'm not big on prologues, but this is an instance when it seems necessary.
Ironically, writing it in the present tense gets you to focusing on the past even
before the actual story begins.

I think the line, "He might have to stay with his married daughter until he picks up another job, yet he is suffused with a sense of pleasure because Jack Twist was in his  dream", clues you in immediately on that character's importance.
At least, it did me.
Who is Jack Twist?
This is a set up for all that follows. In that short sentence, just the name, Jack Twist,
takes on an almost iconic resonance.
At least it did for me.

I've read BBM so many times and still, I can't get through the prologue without
misting up. ".....when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong" is one
of the most heart wounding lines I've ever read.
It sings with sadness and spent hope.

Reminds me, and I guess, everyone else, of the times in our youth when we felt
exactly the same. I can count on one hand the times in my life when I've been truly
happy (not complaining just stating fact), and when I read these lines I'm immediately
sent back 40 years to a night on a rooftop in lower Manhattan.

Futile, of course, to keep reaching into the past for a glimpse of happiness.
But sometimes it's better than nothing.

That's what BBM does to us, I think.
It is so damned universal exactly because it speaks to our own broken
dreams and desires. This isn't just a story about two guys who couldn't
survive the wheight of their love, it is a story about being imperfectly human.
Something that speaks to all of us.

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on August 01, 2006, 01:36:47 PM
But from this sadness I have learned such a great deal about myself - and I have learned to appreciate the outdoors like never before.  So for me, sadness isn't always a bad thing - it's part of healing, growing, and learning.  And part of growing for me has been the ability to handle my sadness by just letting myself feel down when it happens.  I learn so much about myself during these times.  I know this probably sounds crazy, but that's how the prologue/book/movie has changed me.
This is such a great thing to say.It doesn,t sound crazy at all to me.The absolute worst thing about feeling sad is having to put on a cheerful front for other people.Accepting the lows,letting them run their course and just rising up naturally is far better than denying them.
The prologue has me in tears every time.It,s the thought that it,s all come to this,just a transitory memory of a dream.The key phrase for me is "that old,cold time on the mountain".Such a beautiful description.I always read the prologue over again when I reach the end of the story so the whole thing circles endlessly around.
Janie
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: cabin on August 01, 2006, 03:14:43 PM
All I can say, just take the entire screen play, there you go,

snip

you see Jack give a sheepish "yeah".  Something about that line sets a marker of validation to be discovered some 20 years later.  I break down in tears every time I see/hear this line, because knowing the outcome of Ennis's missing shirt, tears my heart out.

I always wonder how one word "yeah" can carry so much meaning.  I feel that our constant interest in this movie and having seen the movie or read the story it has made scenes such as this one so powerful.  I have to admit that it was after few viewing that the scene's impact got bigger and bigger that it is now one of my favorites.

cabin
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistEnnis on August 01, 2006, 07:38:30 PM
"I always read the prologue over again when I reach the end of the story so the whole thing circles endlessly around."


Janie, thanks for the positive feedback.  In reference to the line above, I'm so glad to hear someone else does this too.  Always, always, I read the prologue again after I've read the story..for the same reason you stated above.  Happy Trails :)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on August 01, 2006, 08:06:02 PM
My new favorite lines are the coffeepot line and the "Its cuz of you, Jack, I'm like this."
The coffeepot line is about the still-in-denial Ennis; and it is both tender and dreadful in terms of what happens after. Jack has already shut down, and Ennis spends the rest of the scene trying to recover ground.

He has no idea what he is about to hear; his life will change instantly. So I treasure the old Ennis for just those few minutes, before he finds out that he can no longer live in denial of his love. there is an innocence about him, very childlike.
That is a sad thing, to have to be forced into the transitional pain of loss and grief, but of course, it happens to all of us.

Then, he finds out that:
A) Jack no longer sees the relationship in the same light;
b) Jack has had other lovers, so how "special" is this "thing" they have'-in Ennis' mind of course; we know how Jack really feels;
c) Jack COULD leave him; it is a matter of degrees, Ennis thinks, I'm sure, between himself and someone else.

He still has not seen the shirts, so he doesn't realize nobody compares to him in Jack's heart.
The best thing about that scene is they STILL wind up in an embrace, after all is said and done.

The Power of Love.


Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 01, 2006, 11:45:20 PM
that really is a beautiful post, canstandit
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on August 02, 2006, 05:08:35 AM
A really, really beautiful post, Jo.

You took the words right out of my mouth. . .and those sentiments right out of my heart. The post puts me in mind of another famous quote: "Just when I thought I was out, they [You] pull me back in." Will I, could I, should I ever escape the clutches of Brokeback Mountain??? You don"t make it any easier for me--dare I say, for any of us--lil'l darlin'!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Janie-G on August 02, 2006, 01:02:40 PM
"I always read the prologue over again when I reach the end of the story so the whole thing circles endlessly around."


Janie, thanks for the positive feedback.  In reference to the line above, I'm so glad to hear someone else does this too.  Always, always, I read the prologue again after I've read the story..for the same reason you stated above.  Happy Trails :)
You,re welcome,as ever Bob ;)How many times have we read it now I wonder?I was reading about Annie,s method of writing and she says that she often starts at the end and then goes back to the beginning.I think it,s this method which gives this circular feel to the story.I like this a lot.
Posted by: CANSTANDIT 
Quote
My new favorite lines are the coffeepot line and the "Its cuz of you, Jack, I'm like this."
The coffeepot line is about the still-in-denial Ennis; and it is both tender and dreadful in terms of what happens after. Jack has already shut down, and Ennis spends the rest of the scene trying to recover ground.

He has no idea what he is about to hear; his life will change instantly. So I treasure the old Ennis for just those few minutes, before he finds out that he can no longer live in denial of his love. there is an innocence about him, very childlike.
That is a sad thing, to have to be forced into the transitional pain of loss and grief, but of course, it happens to all of us.

Then, he finds out that:
A) Jack no longer sees the relationship in the same light;
b) Jack has had other lovers, so how "special" is this "thing" they have'-in Ennis' mind of course; we know how Jack really feels;
c) Jack COULD leave him; it is a matter of degrees, Ennis thinks, I'm sure, between himself and someone else.

He still has not seen the shirts, so he doesn't realize nobody compares to him in Jack's heart.
The best thing about that scene is they STILL wind up in an embrace, after all is said and done.

The Power of Love.
 
What an excellent post,CSI!It throws such a clear light on the shattering revelation Ennis is about to have.I expect Ennis isn,t prepared for the shift in the relationship which puts Jack in control after all those years.You,re right about the child-like quality of Ennis here.His naivety in thinking he can lighten the mood by the self deprecating coffee pot and handle line is so touching and so typical.Actually,I admire the way Jack is so honest about Mexico and also his lack of fear.I find Ennis truly menacing in the,"all them things I don,t know could get you killed if I should come to know them",speech but Jack is way past being intimidated,although he knows from experience how readily Ennis can lash out in anger.I find this scene so emotionally powerful it,s difficult to watch but so superbly acted it,s compelling.
Janie
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on August 07, 2006, 01:00:51 PM
Hey, you lovely people. I've been so busy defending no-quit, that I forgot to read replies.Tx all for the nice feedback on my new favorite quote; and I just love that little smile Ennis gives at the end, thinking, Jack loves my humor, he'll appreciate this; and Jack just stands still with his back to Ennis.
Boy, Ennis certainly "reads" him well, though, pulling out the heavy ammo-"Don Wroe's cabin"-as he realizes this ain't gonna be an easy win.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: angel on August 09, 2006, 11:25:16 AM
Ennis
"If you can't fix it , you have to stand it."

Jack
"Yeah...but for how long?"
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Cameron816 on August 09, 2006, 10:33:10 PM
A line that I always say out loud and gives me a smile when I'm watching the DVD:

"You girls need a push or some'hm ?"
"<<<<NO>>>>"
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 10, 2006, 02:34:51 AM
Hell, I like them ALL.
But some I use in daily life. Oddly damned near all the ones I come out with are Jack's. The most widely used? And one which gets instant recognition from Brokeaholics??

No More Beans.

And I mean it. Had a gorgeous looking omellette in Grand Rapids, NE. Opened it up and what the hell was in it>>??? BEANS. Cured me of beans for all time.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on August 10, 2006, 07:03:00 AM
All the whispered endearments by Jack drive me crazy:
"It's all right",
"Lie back"
"It's OK"
"Come here" and
"Are you OK?"

And I've always heard--right from my first viewing of the film in December--several:
"I'm sorrys"

Have I missed any?

Please.  There are whole threads devoted to debating what was said/not said and heard/not heard.  Let's please try to keep this discussion on track.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Mariana on August 10, 2006, 09:13:29 AM
My favorite parts/quotes from the story are:

"He could smell Jack _ the intensely familiar odor of cigarettes, musky sweat and a faint sweetness like grass, and with it the rushing cold of the mountain."

"From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking"

"Please to meet you" said Jack, trembling like a run-out horse".

"Ennis put his arm around Jack, pulled him close ... Jack slid his cold hand between Ennis's legs ..without getting up he threw deadwood on the fire, the sparks flying up with their truths and lies, a few hot points of fire landing on their hands and faces, not for the first time, and they rolled down into the dirt"

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on August 10, 2006, 11:54:25 AM
All the whispered endearments by Jack drive me crazy:
"It's all right",
"Lie back"
"It's OK"
"Come here" and
"Are you OK?"

And I've always heard--right from my first viewing of the film in December--several:
"I'm sorrys"

Have I missed any?

Please.  There are whole threads devoted to debating what was said/not said and heard/not heard.  Let's please try to keep this discussion on track.
Uhm, I think a lot of these show up in the subtitles. I don't think I would purposefully make them up. I'm not sure 'bout the "I'm sorrys" though. About the ones I heard, the words themselves might not be actual favorites, but "how" and in the context they were said make them very endearing. To me, anyway. . .
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Rosewood on August 10, 2006, 12:55:13 PM
My favorite parts/quotes from the story are:

"He could smell Jack _ the intensely familiar odor of cigarettes, musky sweat and a faint sweetness like grass, and with it the rushing cold of the mountain."

"From the vibration of the floorboard on which they both stood Ennis could feel how hard Jack was shaking"

"Please to meet you" said Jack, trembling like a run-out horse".

"Ennis put his arm around Jack, pulled him close ... Jack slid his cold hand between Ennis's legs ..without getting up he threw deadwood on the fire, the sparks flying up with their truths and lies, a few hot points of fire landing on their hands and faces, not for the first time, and they rolled down into the dirt"



I like these too, Mariana, well, truth be told there's very little about the short story I don't like.
Though it breaks my heart every time.

"...the rushing cold of the mountain..." In this, as well as in "...the old cold time on the mountain..."
from the prologue, we see how important Brokeback is in Ennis's imagination. (Limited though
that imagination may be, it is certainly active enough and big enough to contain Brokeback.)

Isn't there a line somewhere in the story about Ennis smelling "...the salty stink...." of Jack, or something
like that. Love that. Sweet and salty. That's Jack.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Jenny on August 10, 2006, 03:26:00 PM
I keep changing my favorite lines, which is easy given how beautifully written the story is.  My current choices are:

"Ennis, weather-eyed, looked west for the heated cumulus that might come up on such a day but the boneless blue was so deep, said Jack, that he might drown looking up."  The poignancy of that, given how Jack died, breaks my heart, but the idea that he was so poetic, in contrast to Ennis's eternal watching out for storms captures their characters quite perfectly.

"If he does not force his attention on it, it might stoke the day, rewarm that old, cold time on the mountain when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong".  This line suggests to me that despite his difficult life and his grief and regret, Ennis was able to remember the good times and remember Jack as young and exuberant and full of life, and be comforted by those memories.  He finally knows without doubt that what they had between them was truly a deep and abiding love, and that it was beautiful.  I think that allowed him to forgive Jack for being with other men and getting himself killed, and to forgive himself for failing Jack so terribly and never facing the truth, which was that it might have been dangerous but it also would have been a sweet life, and worth the risks.  It also reminds me of something I first heard from my grandmother: "No one really dies for as long as their love is felt in the world, and every time someone they love passes that love on to somebody else, they are alive again."   
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 10, 2006, 03:43:38 PM
oh yes Jenny, let's not forget 'that old cold time on the mountain, when they owned the world and nothing seemed wrong.'    the POWER of that line!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: kathi on August 11, 2006, 04:45:22 AM
A line that I always say out loud and gives me a smile when I'm watching the DVD:

"You girls need a push or some'hm ?"
"<<<<NO>>>>"

A line that makes me smile when I watch the movie or even think about it, because this is when Jack and Ennis' bond is just forming ...
"Tent don't look right ..."

"That harmonica don't sound quite right either ..."

Jack lying on ground "playing" the harmonica ... grins and chuckles.

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Casper on August 11, 2006, 03:35:44 PM
My favorite parts/quotes from the story are:

"He could smell Jack _ the intensely familiar odor of cigarettes, musky sweat and a faint sweetness like grass, and with it the rushing cold of the mountain."


This is my favorite also.  The quote packs the punch of a liaison with a cowboy out West.  :)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 11, 2006, 06:35:28 PM
I wonder--does everybody else think that JT is one of the most eminently quotable characters ever to be in a film??
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on August 11, 2006, 07:34:50 PM
I wonder--does everybody else think that JT is one of the most eminently quotable characters ever to be in a film??
And something "else-able", bb_1, if you get my drift. . . ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 11, 2006, 07:52:57 PM
lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on August 11, 2006, 08:03:40 PM
I wonder--does everybody else think that JT is one of the most eminently quotable characters ever to be in a film??
And something "else-able", bb_1, if you get my drift. . . ;)
lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Not too shabby for someone who's 46 perecent evil, huh?  Oops, there goes my goody-two-shoes rep. . .
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 12, 2006, 02:37:28 AM
I wonder--does everybody else think that JT is one of the most eminently quotable characters ever to be in a film??
And something "else-able", bb_1, if you get my drift. . . ;)
lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Not too shabby for someone who's 46 perecent evil, huh?  Oops, there goes my goody-two-shoes rep. . .
dont feel bad i was something like 24% evil
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: jma313 on August 12, 2006, 10:04:02 AM
I've always liked the way Jack says "Alright" after Ennis refuses his offer of a loan, just before they come down off the mountain.  You can hear some disappointment in that word.  After all, a "loan" would mean that they would have to meet again so Ennis could pay Jack back. 
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Dal on August 12, 2006, 02:41:11 PM
^^^^^^^
Yes that's right, isn't it!  Guess Jack IS a real deep thinker after all!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: angel on August 13, 2006, 06:46:59 PM
Every time I watch, another phrase gets stuck in my head.

Ennis

"You're a real thinker there...goddamn...Jack fuckin' Twist, ya got it all figured out"

"You got nuttin', you don't need nuttin'"
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 13, 2006, 07:36:42 PM
I've always liked the way Jack says "Alright" after Ennis refuses his offer of a loan, just before they come down off the mountain. You can hear some disappointment in that word. After all, a "loan" would mean that they would have to meet again so Ennis could pay Jack back.

Not just that...it's also a rejection of the first magnitude. Here a guy in the same economic circumstances as the person he's offering a loan to is rather nastily rebuffed: I don't need your money.

Jack just got bitchslapped by ennis.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on August 14, 2006, 01:06:10 AM
I've always liked the way Jack says "Alright" after Ennis refuses his offer of a loan, just before they come down off the mountain. You can hear some disappointment in that word. After all, a "loan" would mean that they would have to meet again so Ennis could pay Jack back.

Not just that...it's also a rejection of the first magnitude. Here a guy in the same economic circumstances as the person he's offering a loan to is rather nastily rebuffed: I don't need your money.

Jack just got bitchslapped by ennis.
The best part of it, is he has just inicated he does; Aguirre cut them out of months' pay. But because he is not telling the truth, he just digs himself in deeper:
the subtext of "he's cuttin' us out a whole-------month's pay", is He is cutting us apart too early. that's why he doesn't match up in the next line. I've also taken Jack's "all right" for puzzlement. I think he still thinks they may see each other-until the Punch.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 14, 2006, 01:21:56 AM
Yeah CSI, puzzlement and hurt, too. I'm wondering how many agree with the hurt. i've heard a number say they didn't see Jack as hurt by Ennis response.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 14, 2006, 01:24:16 AM
Hey--forgot--there is another quote I use all the time in daily living <g> slightly amended that is:

"Meanwhile, 'Up On Brokeback'...."
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: babysany on August 14, 2006, 11:12:13 AM
Something I said during lunch break: 


When asked if I ever wanted to get married again , I said "I did, once."  Tears welled up in my eyes thinking of Jack saying that.  I say things all the time, 8 months later.  I even ordered Chilean sea bass last week.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Jenny on August 14, 2006, 03:25:35 PM
Ah, but did you find any way to work in untangling those Chilean sea bass from ours?  ;D
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: angel on August 14, 2006, 05:51:43 PM
Yeah CSI, puzzlement and hurt, too. I'm wondering how many agree with the hurt. i've heard a number say they didn't see Jack as hurt by Ennis response.

I wonder if Jack was thinking what I was. How angry and disappointed Ennis was about their time together being cut short. In which case it would be surprise (or puzzlement) and a little lascivious hand-rubbing. ;-)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: jma313 on August 14, 2006, 09:30:00 PM
Quote
The best part of it, is he has just inicated he does; Aguirre cut them out of months' pay. But because he is not telling the truth, he just digs himself in deeper:
the subtext of "he's cuttin' us out a whole-------month's pay", is He is cutting us apart too early. that's why he doesn't match up in the next line. I've also taken Jack's "all right" for puzzlement. I think he still thinks they may see each other-until the Punch.
Quote

Even after the Punch, good ole Jack gives it one more try:  "I might be back, if the Army don't get me."  I believe it's been said before, either in this thread, or another:  you can see the longing in his expression.  Even when Ennis rejects him again, I think he's still holding on to the hope that E will return next year.  he even asks Aguirre the next year if he's seen Ennis.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: TwistandShout on August 15, 2006, 08:03:09 AM
"...Even after the Punch, good ole Jack gives it one more try:  "I might be back, if the Army don't get me."  I believe it's been said before, either in this thread, or another:  you can see the longing in his expression..." 
As a friend once said to me about this particular scene, "How did Jack get his eyes and eyebrows to do what they did?" It conveys longing, yearning, desire, and, yes, love all at once. That look alone should have keyed Ennis in to the truth that Jack loved him to the bottom of his soul. That it took Ennis to discover the shirts 20 years later for that realization to sink in is, well, in the least, disappointing. . .
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: angel on August 15, 2006, 08:56:36 AM
"...Even after the Punch, good ole Jack gives it one more try:  "I might be back, if the Army don't get me."  I believe it's been said before, either in this thread, or another:  you can see the longing in his expression..." 
As a friend once said to me about this particular scene, "How did Jack get his eyes and eyebrows to do what they did?" It conveys longing, yearning, desire, and, yes, love all at once. That look alone should have keyed Ennis in to the truth that Jack loved him to the bottom of his soul. That it took Ennis to discover the shirts 20 years later for that realization to sink in is, well, in the least, disappointing. . .

I really thought that Ennis knew that Jack loved him, very deeply, before that point. witness all the various scenes between them over the years.

What I saw as a tiny part of the revelation Ennis had upon finding the shirts is that this great love started up on Brokeback, and that Jack had never really quit him, and also that Ennis was finally accepting of what that meant and screw the consequences, albeit too late.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: B73 on August 15, 2006, 03:13:48 PM
I wonder--does everybody else think that JT is one of the most eminently quotable characters ever to be in a film??

Yes: the whole movie is extremely quotable--that's definitely part of its charm.  My brother and I love to quote movies all over the place, and I convinced him to see BBM just because of it's high quote factor; he said, "Well hell, I believe I will rent it then!"  He's a great guy!
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on August 15, 2006, 09:21:08 PM
"...Even after the Punch, good ole Jack gives it one more try:  "I might be back, if the Army don't get me."  I believe it's been said before, either in this thread, or another:  you can see the longing in his expression..." 
As a friend once said to me about this particular scene, "How did Jack get his eyes and eyebrows to do what they did?" It conveys longing, yearning, desire, and, yes, love all at once. That look alone should have keyed Ennis in to the truth that Jack loved him to the bottom of his soul. That it took Ennis to discover the shirts 20 years later for that realization to sink in is, well, in the least, disappointing. . .

I really thought that Ennis knew that Jack loved him, very deeply, before that point. witness all the various scenes between them over the years.

What I saw as a tiny part of the revelation Ennis had upon finding the shirts is that this great love started up on Brokeback, and that Jack had never really quit him, and also that Ennis was finally accepting of what that meant and screw the consequences, albeit too late.
Angel, I am continually amazed at your astuteness, teaching us things for the first time, even those of us that have been here quite a while....
I am wondering if Ennis read Jack's love as the same "thing" in between them that he observes. I really don't think he ever faces it as love, nor does he understand it fully. Jack is more self-aware, and that is apparent to me in that sad moment post-FNIT as Ennis high-tails it up to the sheep, leaving Jack standing there with that Oscar-worthy look.
I don't think he can consciously accept it as the kind of love that is the equal, or in their case, the greater, of the kind between a man and a woman-relatively speaking, of course.
I don't think that part hits him until he talks to Lureen, and she tells him about the ashes and BBM. He then gets the next jolt, when he finds out he has been discussed with Jack's family-the classic sign of  'true' love; ie, talking about bringing someone home to the folks.
Then, BAM, not only was he loved, just like a real couple, but he was loved from the first summer they knew each other-the shirts.

I really can't take that fact, without getting a chill up my spine. What a lesson to all of us. I guess if you are alive, it is never too late to take a chance. Hence the necessity of Jack's death; Ennis was unable to take the living chance.
Jeez, why couldn't Jack just move up and gradually weasel his way onto the low startle point horse, huh? Why couldn't he just get in Ennis' face-with dignity, of course-I mean why didin't he just take LD's hate money, buy the damn ranch, and send Ennis a postcard a day.
You KNOW he would've had to cave in; Jack would have been too close by.
That I think is where Jack's phobia, expressed by AP comes in; and he had his own pride and dignity and fear. He realized too late that Ennis needed the kick in the ass; that he was not going to 'grow' into a mature decision. This is where those lack of resources and privation is so sad; they just struggled all the way thru. What a poor little pair o deuces.......sniff.
Okay, enough of that.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: angel on August 15, 2006, 09:57:09 PM
CSI

We are of like mind on this, but I have a minor observation about the way I feel Ennis dealt with "this thing". I don't think he verbally categorized it at all beyond those 2 words. This seems contradictory when I speak of "epiphany" (Des, I don't care if E can't play the harmonica) and "revelation" and acceptance. A conversion experience is an emotional experience. It need not be articulated. One can easily believe that Ennis who, "...was farsighted enough to dislike reading anything except Hamley's saddle catalog..." was capable of keeping "this thing" from being further described, or defined. But of course he knew, on a more visceral level what was happening to them, and how other people would see it. When Alma said "Jack Nasty", those words alone were enough to throw him into irrational rage. The now hackneyed phrase "a love with no name" comes to mind. And I think Ennis viewed his and Jack's relationship as if it were separate from the rest of reality. Maybe by the time he's my age, he'll come out and have a memorial service for Jack. But I doubt it. And I doubt he'll ever be with another man. Once burned.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: CANSTANDIT on August 17, 2006, 11:01:08 PM
yes, I agree,re Ennis' internal specialization of his and Jack's thing.....but the film version indicates he does know it was love, with his discussion of "love" with AJ.
But the text leaves us all hangin'...
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: angel on August 18, 2006, 06:06:29 AM
CSI

Yes, I see that and have posted to that effect about his talk with Jr. I just wonder if he explicitly thought the words, or consciously made the connection.

"There was some open space between what he knew and what he tried to believe...".

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Dal on August 18, 2006, 11:22:19 AM
[One can easily believe that Ennis who, "...was farsighted enough to dislike reading anything except Hamley's saddle catalog..." was capable of keeping "this thing" from being further described, or defined. But of course he knew, on a more visceral level what was happening to them, and how other people would see it.
!!!! I have always taken that passage to mean that Ennis was incapable of really "reading" Jack, or anyone else close to him for that matter;  we know he gravitated toward livestock.  Just another example of "same words, different meanings" I guess.

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And I doubt he'll ever be with another man. Once burned.
oh yeah!  Good connection angel -- thanks.  Like "One's enough."

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I really thought that Ennis knew that Jack loved him, very deeply, before that point. witness all the various scenes between them over the years.
I think that's true too.  But it's a difference between flick and book IMO.  In the book, there are no scenes over the years.  Ennis must know, I think, but his denial may be stronger in the book.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: angel on August 18, 2006, 06:07:38 PM
Dal,

Ennis clearly "reads" Jack. They were 19 when they met, inarticulate and uneducated. But he reads Jack just fine. He returned to SNIT with stars in his freakin' eyes.

But I actually feel, after viewing number 10, that Ennis fell for Jack early on. Before FNIT, when the sex they had became fused with the love that Ennis already felt. Again he did not think anything verbally at this point.

Ennis got this uncomfortable look on his face, when he was with Jack, before SNIT. The most extreme was before Aguirre's office. Scene by scene it softens. The second was when Jack introduced himself. Then an instant later when Jack said "Pleased to meet you Ennis Del Mar", with his captivating smile. It seemed to me that Ennis's discomfort was fading.

When Jack rode off, and delivered the "no more beans" line, Ennis immediately ordered soup at his next supply hook-up. "I thought you didn't eat soup." ("NO, but Jack doesn't want beans", I think. ) "I'm sick 'o beans" says Ennis and I think, "NO, you aren't, but Jack is."

A bit after Ennis's bathing scene we cut to Jack taking a leak, while Ennis is eating beans and going "Hmmm, mmm", he sounds like a Campbell soup kid. we all know that Jack was MMM MMMM good, so maybe it's a double entendre, but Ennis enjoys his beans.

Then the bear encounter and Jack again complains about the food situation. Ennis shoots him (them) an elk and Jack whoops and hollers. Ennis, displaying the softest, and last version of that look of discomfort, reacts in a way that shows some familiarity. "I'm gettin' sick and tired of your..." (I can never hear the last word).

I think at this point Ennis had sort of a boy crush on Jack, that he was beginning to fall. That's one of the reasons that FNIT 'clinched it' for Ennis. Which is what made him capable of SNIT when he captured Jack's heart.

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: jack on August 18, 2006, 06:53:03 PM
at the request of the management...

Pete just put up a poll at http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=12326.0 so we can find out approximately how many books we need to have printed in the first run. I don't know a single soul who gets around these threads better or more than you do. So I wondered if you would help us spread the word and get a bunch of folks to fill out the poll for us. Could you point them in that direction as you move from thread to thread (like a ministering angel)?

thank you...
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 19, 2006, 06:33:40 AM
the word you miss in the elk shoot is MISSIN


and there is one line i say damned near as a matter of course these days and its become such a part of life i dont know it when i say it---i redlined it all the way up here
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: angel on August 19, 2006, 06:42:53 AM
the word you miss in the elk shoot is MISSIN


and there is one line i say damned near as a matter of course these days and its become such a part of life i dont know it when i say it---i redlined it all the way up here

I thought I misunderstood when I heard missin.

What does it mean? Missing? If so I don't get it. Is it a slang term?
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: mouk on August 19, 2006, 11:30:42 AM
Missing his target. Presumably Jack tried several times to shoot some game, and always missed (as he did with the coyotte). So Ennis felt sorry for him and decided to go against his principles and shoot the damn thing for Jack.

Angel, this is a brilliant analysis of when and how Ennis fell for Jack, by looking at the gradual disappearing of dicomfort in his eyes. I had tried to find out for ages but failed miserably. Could only see the results of his developing feelings: the soup,  speaking more than he did in a year, the elk, setting the tent right and the flirty 'I ain't had an opportunity to sin. Like Jack, I just wasn't aiming right, thanks for shooting this elk... ;)
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: angel on August 19, 2006, 04:16:15 PM
Thanks Mouk,

I thought of the coyote scene, but his outburst seemed, at first, a response to Jack's whooping. Heath is such a great actor to capture in those facial expressions, varying degrees of shyness or reticence toward Jack. When he responds with that "missin" remark, it seemed Ennis was trying to keep a stern face.

But wasn't Ennis against shooting one of the sheep? I always laugh when Jack says, "What's the matter with you? There are thousands of 'em". So Jack must have honored Ennis's wishes by trying to shoot an elk instead. As with everything else good, he needed Ennis for that. "No need to get excited little darlin', I was just tired o' you missin' "

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: mouk on August 19, 2006, 04:30:04 PM
Ennis is REALLY pleased he had made Jack so happy and that he impressed him. But he is trying to hide it by keeping a straight face and making a joke about Jack missing.

He does the same when he sends a prayer of thanks, quickly moving from the sentimental to the joking mode.
 
I know that this reluctance to show his feelings played nasty tricks on him, but  in these particular instances, I find it attractive and elegant
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: angel on August 19, 2006, 06:30:49 PM
Ennis is REALLY pleased he had made Jack so happy and that he impressed him. But he is trying to hide it by keeping a straight face and making a joke about Jack missing.

He does the same when he sends a prayer of thanks, quickly moving from the sentimental to the joking mode.
 
I know that this reluctance to show his feelings played nasty tricks on him, but  in these particular instances, I find it attractive and elegant

Which brings to mind another favorite quote.

"Lighten up on me, Jack."

I love that Ennis accepts his culpability here, as it shows how he had come to accept their relationship. He knew they were having a lover's quarrel. We hear this as he continues to try and console Jack over August and to explain why he can't make it, knowing Jack has every reason to be angry.
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Marc on August 21, 2006, 02:15:31 PM
I have a silly bit of alternative dialogue.  I said I'd come across several versions of the screenplay, and that there was a variation in the "Maybe I'll shoot one of the sheep" scene.

" ... we're supposed to guard the sheep, not eat 'em!"

"What's the matter with you?  There're a thousand of 'em."

[here comes the variation]

"Only 75 of 'em are real ... the rest are CG!"

Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: Jenny on August 21, 2006, 02:35:42 PM
Oh Marc!  ROTFLMAO!  I'm always quoting downer passages from the story, but there's a lot of humor in the screenplay.  I have a bunch of favorite lines, including the immortal: "What are you waitin for, cowboy? A matin call?" and "Fast or slow, I just like the direction you're going."  And, of course, "He's from Texas."  "Texans don't drink coffee?"  Or how about Ennis' answer to Cassie's "What do you do, Ennis Del Mar?"  "Well, earlier today I was castratin calves."
Title: Re: Favorite Quote (from the film or book)
Post by: mouk on August 21, 2006, 02:53:38 PM
 
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Which brings to mind another favorite quote.

"Lighten up on me, Jack."

I love that Ennis accepts his culpability here, as it shows how he had come to accept their relationship. He knew they were having a lover's quarrel. We he