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Title: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CellarDweller115 on September 06, 2007, 06:37:17 AM
This is where we talk about Heath's movies and acting roles, his cooking skills, his political activities, anything about him except how damn hot he is.     

Please keep Photo Image size to 806X640, and keep in mind that silliness is welcome in the "Planet Heath" thread.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 06, 2007, 06:38:31 AM
His cooking skills? He did used to trawl the Net, looking for lasagne recipes.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CellarDweller115 on September 06, 2007, 06:41:46 AM
While I am the Mod here, I must admit that the only Heath film I've seen is Brokeback.


So, Heathens, educate me....what is the next "must see" film that Heath has been in that I need to get?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 06, 2007, 06:43:04 AM
Okay, I'll be serious. I think Heath is a work in progress. Some of his earlier performances are rather raw but even back as far as "Black Rock" he had a certain bravery in how he acted. He does not play a role in a stock-standard way. He seems to head for something slightly off-centre, and usually finds some quality that makes his character understandable.

And he is fearless in the way he attacks roles. He has no problem with making himself look a little foolish or soft or weak. Heath, oddly enough, is not leading man material as much as he is a character actor.

Serious enough?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Katiebre on September 06, 2007, 06:44:16 AM
His cooking skills? He did used to trawl the Net, looking for lasagne recipes.

I remember him saying in one interview he likes cooking, and his favourite is cooking "guessipes".
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 06, 2007, 06:53:25 AM
I think he is wonderful.  I have seen all his films and I thought he was great even before Brokeback, but I thought that part was his best (obviously).  I see him alot like Johnny Depp in many ways.


(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/startracks/070917/johnny_depp.jpg)

Same sense of style, career going down a similar path.  Not always making the safest choices with his career, but going for the parts he loves and that matter to him.  I think he is a wonderful actor and not just eye candy.  It is only a matter of time before he gets an Oscar.


Chuck for just sheer fun I would check out Casanova, I rented it not expecting much and then turned around and bought it.


(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/cccccarol/casanova2.jpg)


Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Katiebre on September 06, 2007, 06:55:53 AM
While I am the Mod here, I must admit that the only Heath film I've seen is Brokeback.


So, Heathens, educate me....what is the next "must see" film that Heath has been in that I need to get?

Depends on your taste.

As you will know by now (after they were extensively discussed on The Planet), "I'm not there", about Bob Dylan, and "Batman" are the next films coming up. I will try to watch "I'm not there" (as I said, I would almost bet on it not being shown in my town, but thank god there's such a thing as DVD rentals!), but I'm not too interested in this batman stuff, although I loved the batman comics as a kid (and superman, and red flash or whatever his name is in English). I find him rather scary-looking in his joker make-up.

I didn't see all of his films (yet).

I found him seriously hot attractive in The Order/Sin Eater (two names for the same film, which as a movie is not much to write home about), 10 Things, the Patriot and Casanova.

10 Things and Casanova are really good fun, not serious movies, but simply enjoyable. It is interesting to see him as a very young man in 10 Things. And when I watched it, I felt that there were a number of moments when I was reminded of Ennis by what he did with his face.
The Patriot is very gory, and very heroic, not quite my type of thing. But nevertheless an entertaining story.

I also saw Ned Kelly, and I must say I don't like him with the beard. The story is interesting though. The underdogs' fight for justice.

Oh yes, and then there's of course Candy. More serious stuff, and well worth watching, even though it has been pointed out that both Dan and Candy look too attractive for junkies right through to the end.

So, take your pick - I'd say it depends on what kinds of movie you enjoy.


(Phew, not so easy to stay serious and not drift off into silly stuff...!)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Katiebre on September 06, 2007, 07:01:12 AM
Chuck for just sheer fun I would check out Casanova, I rented it not expecting much and then turned around and bought it.

Same here.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 06, 2007, 07:01:13 AM
Is this silly?  :'(

I hate the way you talk to me,

and the way you cut your hair.

I hate the way you drive my car,

I hate it when you stare.

I hate your big dumb combat boots

and the way you read my mind.

I hate you so much it makes me sick,

it even makes me rhyme.

I hate the way you’re always right,

I hate it when you lie.

I hate it when you make me laugh,

even worse when you make me cry.

I hate it when you’re not around,

and the fact that you didn’t call.

But mostly I hate the way I don’t hate you,

not even close…

not even a little bit…

not even at all.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 06, 2007, 07:11:53 AM
Chuck, I started with Ned Kelly, seeing it for the story not the star, and I was very impressed by the way Heath handled the role of Australia's national anti-hero. The history is a bit shaky but Heath has a certain quality about him which reflects Ned's own magnetic personality.

Lords Of Dogtown is a great film. Skateboarding? Not my topic at all, yet it was an intelligent, warm and well-made little indie film and once again Heath was fabulous, playing Skip with a complete lack of ego.

Two Hands is okay as a film but Heath is soooo good. Like I said, he's not afraid to just dive in and lose himself in a role.

Candy is another good film. Everyone in it is very very good but Heath rises about them all. Seriously. He's almost too good to play against.

I think if you watch enough of his films you'll be struck by his ability to totally change himself. CSI says he's a chameleon. He is never the same twice. Quite remarkable. And he doesn't play off his looks or charm, unless it's part of the character, as in Casanova.

That should keep you going for a while.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ruby on September 06, 2007, 07:13:07 AM
Not silly at all Lola, that was one of the best moments in 10 Things.   That and Lords of Dogtown are the Heath movies I'd recommend.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Katiebre on September 06, 2007, 07:14:30 AM
I think if you watch enough of his films you'll be struck by his ability to totally change himself.

That's so true, Marian.

As I said on the Planet - I think Heath's performance in BBM was absolutely outstanding, absolutely!, but when I see the movie I never think of Heath, only Ennis. There's no Heath in there.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ruby on September 06, 2007, 07:15:41 AM
Absolutely right about Heath disappearing in his movies, particularly with Ennis.  But in LOD too, I wasn't entirely sure at first that it was Heath!  :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 06, 2007, 07:18:26 AM
Not silly at all Lola, that was one of the best moments in 10 Things.   That and Lords of Dogtown are the Heath movies I'd recommend.  :)

My kids use to big skatboarders, so I thought I would check it out, again not expecting much.  I liked it, I thought he was good in it, again a totally different part of him.


My kids also owned A Knights Tale long ago, they LOVE that movie.  I bought the Partriot, I really liked that movie.  Checked out Monsters Ball when it came out because of Halle and the Oscar nods.  Thought it was a dark movie, but well done, Heath looked great in that.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 06, 2007, 07:20:13 AM
Yes, Ruby! I had that moment of Huh? when he appeared. He was remarkable. And he was so likable. For all his annoying ways, Skip came across as a likable character. When his boys started being taken away I felt so sorry for him. He was real. There was a feeling of depth to his character.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ruby on September 06, 2007, 07:24:41 AM
AKT is quite fun!  And I love his British accent. 
 
I didn't like Monster's Ball.  I thought it started out promising and that it was going to deal with some important issues, but as the movie went on I have to admit I found it rather dull and didn't sympathise with any of the characters  :-[.  The most interesting one was gone too soon!      I very nearly switched it off without getting to the end and I rarely do that.   :-\   I'm suprised at how much I didn't like this movie actually  :D

I really only checked it out because of Diana Ossana saying that she found her Ennis watching Heath in this. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 06, 2007, 07:30:44 AM
Alot of people didn't like it, the critics seemed to like it though.  And it did win Halle her Oscar.  Come to think of it Heath was kind of Ennis like in that.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ruby on September 06, 2007, 07:33:15 AM
For all his annoying ways, Skip came across as a likable character. When his boys started being taken away I felt so sorry for him. He was real. There was a feeling of depth to his character.

I agree.  It was this movie that made me realise Heath's physicality and how he uses his body when he acts (no snickers in the back row, I'm trying to be serious here  ;)).  This character is almost the anti-Ennis in the way he moves so freely.  Heath must have really had to reign himself in to be so still as E.    One of my favourite moments in LOD is the scene on the roof, when he lies back and drapes himself over the edge of the parapet.  And the 'Maggie May' scene where he is working on the board.  Physical grace in spades in both those moments.     
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 06, 2007, 07:35:46 AM
yes, I agree. So loose and graceful in his odd way.

And how could I forget Monster's Ball!! Chuck, you must watch it, although most of it is forgettable. You'll know when you can stop watching. It's a shocking scene. Heath is utterly brilliant as Sonny.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 06, 2007, 07:45:22 AM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/cccccarol/2005_lords_of_dogtown_wallpaper_005.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 06, 2007, 07:49:18 AM
Those false teeth make his mouth look so cute. Oops. so much for seriousness. And the kid in the middle is in serious danger of becoming totally naked.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Katiebre on September 06, 2007, 07:54:40 AM
Just reading about "Lords of Dogtown".

Isn't it funny that a decisive contest for the skateboard team took place in the town of Del Mar?!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: joycedavenport on September 06, 2007, 07:56:41 AM
I have to say I found the teeth in LOD a distraction. Apparently they were Heath's idea. If I had been the director I would have said: PUT. THE. TEETH. DOWN.  ;D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 06, 2007, 08:02:34 AM
Just reading about "Lords of Dogtown".

Isn't it funny that a decisive contest for the skateboard team took place in the town of Del Mar?!

In an earlier Jake film, the delightful and also rather serious "October Sky" his character goes to a town where he sees a cinema called the Ennesse Theatre.

Joyce, interesting about the teeth. That's a rather Heathy thing to do. They are a bit distracting, I agree, but very like him to uglify himself. He was also adamant in Ned Kelly that he would have the full authentic beard, even though the director didn't want him to. As a good Aussie, Heath wouldn't play Ned with anything less than the full face fuzz.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: beruthiel on September 06, 2007, 08:33:51 AM
Oooo, a new thread!

I quite liked Heath in Lords of Dogtown.  He sort of reminded me of Val Kilmer, though.  (Not a bad thing, just odd.)

I think I like his work in most of his movies, although Monster's Ball is just so hard to watch.  I wasn't really rooting for anyone because no one was very likeable.  :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Uli on September 06, 2007, 09:08:11 AM
Hey, a serious Heath thread!

I always thought it was unfair, that only us Lashers had to be serious... ::) ;D

To keep it a little bit on topic: My favourite Heath movies (besides BBM of course):

Candy
Two Hands
Monsters Ball

I think I would have "enjoyed" (not sure if "enjoy" is the correct word, when speaking about Candy and Monsters Ball  :-\ :D) those even without Heath being in them... (I cannot say that for all his other movies I have to admit... But still I have to have them all... :-[  ;D  I think the only ones missing in my collection are now Lords of Dogtown (which is also the only one I haven't seen so far) and Ned Kelly)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Hasuo on September 06, 2007, 09:14:41 AM
And let's not forget Four Feathers, in which he plays an almost silent role--and does one of the most amazing stunts I've ever seen an actor do.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ruby on September 06, 2007, 09:20:28 AM
Thanks for the reminder Hasuo - I enjoyed Four Feathers.  Needed more action though I reckon!   
 I can't recall the stunt  :-[ what was it?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on September 06, 2007, 09:38:35 AM
Thanks for the reminder Hasuo - I enjoyed Four Feathers.  Needed more action though I reckon!   
 I can't recall the stunt  :-[ what was it?

Sorry to interrupt but didn't Hasuo means that the stunt action where Heath goes back to the horse while it's running during the fight scene?

Ruby you can watch that on this edited vid. if you don't mind listen to  U2 music with. It's  an AMAZING STUNT by Heath!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAc_ic-CRsk
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Katiebre on September 06, 2007, 09:51:24 AM
Sorry to interrupt but didn't Hasuo means that the stunt action where Heath goes back to the horse while it's running during the fight scene?

This is really amazing!

(Haven't seen Four Feathers)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ruby on September 06, 2007, 10:06:11 AM
Ruby you can watch that on this edited vid. if you don't mind listen to  U2 music with. It's  an AMAZING STUNT by Heath!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAc_ic-CRsk

That is impressive.  Thanks for the link, pickle.   :) :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on September 06, 2007, 10:06:45 AM
Sorry to interrupt but didn't Hasuo means that the stunt action where Heath goes back to the horse while it's running during the fight scene?

This is really amazing!

(Haven't seen Four Feathers)

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/silver7red/heathfourfeathers21.jpg)

Oh, Katie, you should! you can enjyoy watching all kind of different type of Heath in one film (Heath as a Oxbridge posh rugby player, then English Soldier, well I should stop here for his fate it's gonna spoil the story!) although the film itself was not as great as Elizabeth (same director) could have been considering the story (based on a novel) was so epic, but somehow it didn't work. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on September 06, 2007, 10:08:20 AM
Well this looks like it will be an interesting thread. Hmm, Heath's cooking skills.. that is something to think about.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tammy on September 06, 2007, 10:13:40 AM
Hey!  I've seen bits and pieces of A Knight's Tale but never the entire film.  I think I need to do something about that!

I have Candy here, but have been waiting for a good time to see it.  I've been so busy.

So here's a question.  What kind of film would you like to see Heath do after Batman?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on September 06, 2007, 10:22:58 AM
So here's a question.  What kind of film would you like to see Heath do after Batman?

Good question. I'm not really sure. I am in the frame of mind, that as long as Heath is in it, I'll go see it and it'll be good. In general, my favorite kind of movies are strange /freaky/confusing ones. Think Donnie Darko. That kind of thing. I'm not too picky, though. I used to say "As long as it isn't Batman," but that got blown to hell, and thankfully I am looking forward to seeing Heath as The Joker, now.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tammy on September 06, 2007, 10:56:31 AM
Isn't it great when a movie surprises the heck out of you?  I was sure I was going to hate the Lord of the Rings films. I went reluctantly to the first one and was literally on the edge of my seat, in awe!  I guess you never know.

I would like to see Heath do something edgy as well.  I'm not sure what I mean by that.  He's so damn talented!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on September 06, 2007, 11:07:35 AM
I would like to see Heath do something edgy as well.  I'm not sure what I mean by that.  He's so damn talented!

I hear ya. I don't really have any type of idea in what I'd like to see him in, I really don't have an idea of what I would NOT like to see him in, I just want to see him  :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tammy on September 06, 2007, 11:10:05 AM
Exactly!

It's tough.  He's not an everyman.  He really is unique.  Then again, if you had asked me a few years ago if I could imagine him playing a repressed gay cowboy, I would have wondered... :)

How about Heath and Jake as the only two survivors of a plane crash- stuck on a deserted island.  First, they fight for survival.  Then, they fight their growing feelings for each other (and give up that fight).  Think Castaway meets that Brooke Shields film.  I'm digging it!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on September 06, 2007, 11:20:35 AM
Exactly!

It's tough.  He's not an everyman.  He really is unique.  Then again, if you had asked me a few years ago if I could imagine him playing a repressed gay cowboy, I would have wondered... :)

How about Heath and Jake as the only two survivors of a plane crash- stuck on a deserted island.  First, they fight for survival.  Then, they fight their growing feelings for each other (and give up that fight).  Think Castaway meets that Brooke Shields film.  I'm digging it!

LOL, I like it! Then again, I'd like Heath and Jake sitting at a table eating cheese for two hours.

Heath to me seems like the type that can pull off any role, but he needs to be given the chance to prove himself. The Joker is the best example. I would have NEVER in a million years thought of Heath for that role, and now, I am so stoked that he did it and am so excited to see the movie, I have totally forgotten that I was at one point not too thrilled with it.

I've been a Heath fan since I was about 15 years old. I couldn't even remember his name early on, it was always "Hey, is that that hot guy that I love?!" It has been very interesting over the past 8 years to see how he's transformed and grown as an actor and how he disappears into the characters he plays regardless of how good or bad the movie is.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tammy on September 06, 2007, 11:23:40 AM
I'll watch the cheese eating film with you.  I'll bring the popcorn.  Or maybe we should snack on cheese as well?

So cool that you've been a fan for such a long time.  I knew Heath as that hot Australian actor before BBM.  I hope this isn't blasphemous, but he made some bad choices I think for awhile and I sortive lost my interest.  I'm not sure if the movies weren't promoted right, or they weren't right for him, etc.  Monster's Ball drew my attention again, that's for sure.  Then BBM came and.......

I agree about the Joker.  I can't imagine him doing it, yet I can't imagine anyone else.  It's going to be so amazing.

I would like to see Heath play another really complex character.  He knows how to play such a range of emotions in a decidely subtle way.  He wows me.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 06, 2007, 11:30:27 AM
I could totally see him in uniform   :o maybe as a marine, or navy man.  Think Officer and a Gentleman. 

I put off seeing Jarhead because again I really did not expect to like it.  But I did like it and I was blown away with Jake's performance.

I could see Heath in a part like that.  Maybe a vietman film or even World War II, he has an old movie star look about him.


Of course it would have to be a war film where he lives, he can't be killed.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Katiebre on September 06, 2007, 11:33:40 AM
I never heard of him before I saw BBM in March of this year.

I was not only impressed with the film as such, but also, particularly, with his performance.
So I started finding out about this guy - and the rest is history  ::)

From reading about the films I felt that I didn't want to watch any of them, they all sounded so much like the kind of films I would never go for.
Then Candy came along and I thought, OK, that's a film that's going to be interesting as a film, too. Rented it, liked it.

Then I came to this forum, stumbled onto Planet Heath and was done for....  ;D
Now I'm slowly working my way through his films, still somewhat uncomfortable with some.

Next was 10 Things, which I really enjoyed because of its lightness. And as I said, I was surprised to see some Ennis-like facial expressions in Patrick.

Next Casanova, funny and delightful again - I bought the DVD a few days later...

Then Ned Kelly and Sin Eater were shown on TV. (Also Monster's Ball but I made a mistake in programming the video so I never saw it (http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/Revolos55/Smileys/BangHeadonWallSmiley.gif) (http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/Revolos55/Smileys/BangHeadonWallSmiley.gif) )

And then The Patriot.

I would like to see Monster's Ball (because his performance there got him shortlisted for the role of Ennis), Four Feathers and a Knight's Tale. Maybe also Lords of Dogtown.

I'm not at all keen on seeing Brother's Grimm.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on September 06, 2007, 11:39:26 AM
I wouldn't say it is blasphemous, at all. If it has been anybody but Heath, I would have done the same, so I guess that makes me biased. The depth of my bias goes a long way. I used to watch Ten Things I Hate About You every day after school; had the VHS tape and I'd hide in my room for a few hours but never ever tell anybody I owned or even liked a silly teen flick, so I used to hide it. I still have it, box all dilapidated and with permanent tracking marks when played, but it is out on the open now, right next to my DVD copy of it. I'm not too concerned with "losing major cool points" anymore :D

Back to Heath, though. I haven't really heard much on any future films beyond Batman. I heard something a few months ago about him possibly playing Satan in Paradise Lost, but I have no idea how true that was. Might be interesting if it was true and he ends up getting cast. I just haven't heard anything about it in months.  ???

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tammy on September 06, 2007, 11:52:19 AM
I wouldn't say it is blasphemous, at all. If it has been anybody but Heath, I would have done the same, so I guess that makes me biased. The depth of my bias goes a long way. I used to watch Ten Things I Hate About You every day after school; had the VHS tape and I'd hide in my room for a few hours but never ever tell anybody I owned or even liked a silly teen flick, so I used to hide it. I still have it, box all dilapidated and with permanent tracking marks when played, but it is out on the open now, right next to my DVD copy of it. I'm not too concerned with "losing major cool points" anymore :D

Back to Heath, though. I haven't really heard much on any future films beyond Batman. I heard something a few months ago about him possibly playing Satan in Paradise Lost, but I have no idea how true that was. Might be interesting if it was true and he ends up getting cast. I just haven't heard anything about it in months.  ???



That 10 Things I Hate story is so cute!!  Awwwwwww...........

Satan in Paradise Lost - now THAT sounds interesting.

Lola - love the uniform idea as well.  I can definitely picture it.

Hey Katiebre! I've had The Brother's Grimm for the past year and a half and just can't get up the interest to see it, so I'm with you there.  Monster's Ball isn't for everyone, lots of differing opinions, but I thought it was brilliant.  But that's just me...
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Katiebre on September 06, 2007, 11:57:58 AM

So here's a question.  What kind of film would you like to see Heath do after Batman?

Hmmm.

I wouldn't mind some more romance to relish  ::)

But I think the role of someone fighting his internal fears would suit him.

After I read that he was going to play in "Dirt Music" (which now apparently he isn't) I bought the book and am currently reading it. I could imagine him extremely well in the role of Luther Fox. Pity he isn't doing it.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on September 06, 2007, 12:05:51 PM
Aww, I LOVED The Brother's Grimm. Heath's character is so lovable in it and it actually is a pretty amusing and entertaining movie.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Katiebre on September 06, 2007, 12:11:20 PM
Hmm, from what I read about Brothers Grimm it always sounded like a rather far-fetched and pointless thing. (Please note, that's just the impression that I got from reading various reviews, I haven't seen it.) Then again, I don't mind absurd stuff.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on September 06, 2007, 12:17:39 PM
To be honest, I had absolutely no idea what it was about before I watched it. I rented it, brought it home and right after I put the DVD in I said to my husband "What the hell is this about anyway?" We both ended up enjoying it and had fun trying to fit which of the Grimm's Fairytales fit in with each part of the movie.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: WintersGrass on September 06, 2007, 12:22:32 PM
Hmm, from what I read about Brothers Grimm it always sounded like a rather far-fetched and pointless thing. (Please note, that's just the impression that I got from reading various reviews, I haven't seen it.) Then again, I don't mind absurd stuff.

I rented it but never saw it, it's hard to watch him in comedies for me and it's very hard to watch Matt Damon. Except AKT, it was so trashy that's already good again.
I'm a very silly person (for those who haven't mentioned yet) but I prefer him in serious roles.

I'd love to see him do more drama, and I still dream about the remake of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly with him.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CellarDweller115 on September 06, 2007, 12:57:15 PM
I'd love to see him do more drama, and I still dream about the remake of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly with him.


Now that could be very interesting.  I'm assuming he'd play the role that Clint Eastwood made famous.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tammy on September 06, 2007, 01:27:58 PM
I love these suggestions - and have to grab The Brothers Grimm and see it. Such cool people can't be wrong.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 06, 2007, 01:32:25 PM
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/brothers_grimm/

It got terrible reviews.  I shouldn't have said I saw all his movies because I didn't rent this one.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tammy on September 06, 2007, 01:43:08 PM
Oh no!  That's putting a kinker in the whole thing again!  :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on September 06, 2007, 01:57:08 PM
I don't think I have ever paid attention to a single review of any film or album in my entire life. It isn't important to me what other people think of it, it is important what *I* and *I* I alone think of it and if I like it, then great, if not, I move on. I would never let a review sway my opinion of a movie no matter how good or bad the reviews were... but that's just me.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 06, 2007, 02:00:23 PM
We discuss that alot in the movie thread.  I have seen alot of movies I loved that didn't get great reviews. But for the most part I do like to consult the reviews, if they are that low I probably don't check it out.  Not unless someone I know (with similar tastes as me) highly recommends it.

I find this especially true of dramas, if they are poorly rated, it is usually for a reason.  Comedies on the other hand can be a different matter.   You go into alot of them just expecting to be entertained, you know they are not going to win any awards or be life changing.   For example I watched Snakes on a Plane twice! lol

And we do care, because there were threads dedicated to what awards Brokeback did and didn't get and how many stars critics gave it, what the reviewers said  and so on and so on...
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on September 06, 2007, 02:02:25 PM
I guess its a bit different for me because I'm not a movie fan, I'm a Heath fan. When I watch a movie 9 times out of 10 it's a Heath movie, so regardless of any review, negative or positive, I'll watch it.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 06, 2007, 02:03:45 PM
Well there you go, see I am a movie fan first and foremost and twice your age! lol   So our opinions are going to be very different.........which is fine!  ;)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on September 06, 2007, 02:05:35 PM
Well there you go, see I am a movie fan first and foremost and twice your age! lol   So our opinions are going to be very different.........which is fine!  ;)

Yep. Nothing wrong with that  ;D

Btw, everyone. My previous post wasn't implying that you weren't fans of Heath because you won't watch a movie. I was just saying that Heath is the motivation behind 95% of my movie watching. Don't want to cause confusion :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tammy on September 06, 2007, 02:07:02 PM
Lola, I do the same thing pretty much.  If it's a drama - a 'serious' movie - or even a thriller - I look at the reviews.  But my idea of what's funny is often not in sync with the reviewers.  The American Pie film - first one - was panned and I thought it was hysterical!  I guess you never know what's going to tickle your funnybone.

Oh, and I loved Snakes on a Plane.  Sometimes, a film that everyone raves about I can't stomach.  The English Patient comes to mind.  Eww.  And I have fallen asleep, early on, during both of the two first Pirate of the Caribbean films.  Go figure.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 06, 2007, 02:08:17 PM
I have actors I am like that with, Al Pacino is one, I would watch him read the phone book.  I rented one of his that I actually missed not that long ago, it wasn't great, but I enjoyed just seeing him.  Watching him speak and move.

Maybe you are like that with Heath!  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 06, 2007, 02:09:04 PM
Lola, I do the same thing pretty much.  If it's a drama - a 'serious' movie - or even a thriller - I look at the reviews.  But my idea of what's funny is often not in sync with the reviewers.  The American Pie film - first one - was panned and I thought it was hysterical!  I guess you never know what's going to tickle your funnybone.

Oh, and I loved Snakes on a Plane.  Sometimes, a film that everyone raves about I can't stomach.  The English Patient comes to mind.  Eww.  And I have fallen asleep, early on, during both of the two first Pirate of the Caribbean films.  Go figure.

Exactly!!!   And yes American Pie was very funny! LOL  Oh and I love Johnny Depp, but those Pirate movies were lost on me.  :P
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on September 06, 2007, 02:09:56 PM
I have actors I am like that with, Al Pacino is one, I would watch him read the phone book.  I rented one of his that I actually missed not that long ago, it wasn't great, but I enjoyed just seeing him.  Watching him speak and move.

Maybe you are like that with Heath!  :)

Yep. That is exactly it  ;D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tammy on September 06, 2007, 02:12:30 PM
Carbyville, fwiw, I understood exactly what you meant!

I've watched some films just because Heath is in them.  Same with Jake.  But if I don't like it, neither of them can save it for me really.  I know it's an outrage in some quarters here, but Zodiac didn't do anything for me and Jake didn't do anything for me in it.  Casanova was a cute movie, but Lords of Dogtown was so bad, I couldn't make it through.  Many years ago, I would watch any film with Mel Gibson in it, just to drool.  Nowadays, he does nothing for me. 

It's nice that we're all different.  It keeps things interesting!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 06, 2007, 02:20:55 PM
I fell asleep toward the end of Zodiac! lol  I will still watch anything with Mel in it, but alot of people on this board hate him now.  :-\

I will probably check out Heath in Batman, even though I don't like Batman movies that much!

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on September 06, 2007, 02:22:55 PM
I guess its a bit different for me because I'm not a movie fan, I'm a Heath fan. When I watch a movie 9 times out of 10 it's a Heath movie, so regardless of any review, negative or positive, I'll watch it.

Hi, everyone! I'm back again.
I'm a serious movie baff since my teen age, that's how I got into BBM because it was so well-done movie ( this expression is owned by Opra!) and I haven't seen such a great film ever since. My obsession is lasting more than 20 months now.

Heath grew in me as a great actor although I fancied Jack to start with.
I've manage to watch all Heath's films that he performed from two Hands to Candy.

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/silver7red/heathbrothersgrimm19.jpg)

I enjoyed Brothers Grimm as a beautiful fantasy comedy and decided to own it.
Terry Gilliam is a great director to manage to put Cinderella costume on Heath !! ;D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on September 06, 2007, 02:28:20 PM
I fell asleep toward the end of Zodiac! lol  I will still watch anything with Mel in it, but alot of people on this board hate him now.  :-\

I will probably check out Heath in Batman, even though I don't like Batman movies that much!



I still haven't seen Zodiac. I like Jake and all, but he just isn't Heath so for me to go see a movie with Jake, I'd have to be interested in the movie itself and I really wasn't with Zodiac. I'll see it eventually... maybe... probably...

As for Batman. I am literally counting down the days. I do not like Batman, but when I say that I honestly mean Batman, himself, the character, but adding Heath into the mix as The Joker of all people and what Heath is doing with the role is has gotten me very excited. I will probably watch it in full once and then after the DVD is released only watch The Joker bits and never watch the movie in it's full entirety again, unless someone suggests we put it on or something. That's how I roll  :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: paintedshoes on September 06, 2007, 06:40:33 PM
I just found this thread and have not caught up, so forgive me...or not!   :D

Tomorrow will tell...bwahahahhahahh!!!!!!!!!!

Hugs,
Jackie
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on September 06, 2007, 08:16:22 PM
Chuck, I started with Ned Kelly, seeing it for the story not the star, and I was very impressed by the way Heath handled the role of Australia's national anti-hero. The history is a bit shaky but Heath has a certain quality about him which reflects Ned's own magnetic personality.

Lords Of Dogtown is a great film. Skateboarding? Not my topic at all, yet it was an intelligent, warm and well-made little indie film and once again Heath was fabulous, playing Skip with a complete lack of ego.

Two Hands is okay as a film but Heath is soooo good. Like I said, he's not afraid to just dive in and lose himself in a role.

Candy is another good film. Everyone in it is very very good but Heath rises about them all. Seriously. He's almost too good to play against.

I think if you watch enough of his films you'll be struck by his ability to totally change himself. CSI says he's a chameleon. He is never the same twice. Quite remarkable. And he doesn't play off his looks or charm, unless it's part of the character, as in Casanova.

That should keep you going for a while.
I've seen 3 of these 5, Marian-and I have to say he totally got lost in his character in Lords of Dogtown-totally blew me away-Chuck, I think you'd love that movie.
Candy was a pretty heartbreaking a performance....He let some stops out on that one...
Casanova was pretty comical-until the end, when we get a glimpse into the soul of the man-but frankly, the movie, well....let's just say it wasn't one of the better ones, IMO.

I've yet to see Ned Kelly, shame on me.
and
I tried to find Two Hands to rent, and I couldn't.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on September 06, 2007, 08:17:26 PM
I better post on this thread since I kind of feel responsible for its creation,  plus I'm probably persona non gratta on Planet Heath.  :-[ 

I enjoyed Brothers Grimm as a beautiful fantasy comedy and decided to own it.
Terry Gilliam is a great director to manage to put Cinderella costume on Heath !! ;D

The first time I watched the Brothers Grimm, I didn't think much of it.  Then it seemed to be on TV everytime I turned it on, it was on rotation on TMN,  and strangely i enjoyed it more and more each time I watched it.  That was mainly due to Heath's wonderful performance, his Jacob is just too adorable for words!   I think maybe the film didn't live up to people's expectations of a Terry Gilliam film more than anything else.  I also read somewhere that the studio put a lot of pressure on Gilliam and he couldn't make the film that he wanted to make.  Of course, that may be an excuse, it's easy to blame the studio when a film is not well received.  Come to think of it, he does stand by his last film, Tideland, which was basically panned by critics, so it may well be true. (Personally, I think Tideland might well be his masterpiece)

My recommendation to Cellardweller for his next Heath-Experience is definitely to watch Monster's Ball.  If only because Sonny is almost a practice run for the Ennis character.  Heath can do "repressed" so well, it's absolutely heart-wrenching to watch.  That movie is responsible for making me a Heathen, I was so blown away by his performance.  BbM sealed the deal.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on September 06, 2007, 08:24:30 PM
I really liked the "Brothers Grimm"another example of Heath losing Heath inside a character-he is a born method actor. He does better when he doesn't act-when he just is......and don't think I could tolerate watching "Monster's Ball" again-way too raw and sad.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on September 06, 2007, 11:08:46 PM
OMG  a few hours away and when i came back we have a brand new thread about Heath...i love it. :) :)

Apart from BBM i have seen Heath in Monster's Ball and he was good but i liked him more in Candy. I haven't seen Casanova mainly cus it came out in Greece shortly after BBM and to tell the truth i wasn't in the mood to watch him in s'thing  else right after, just couldn't. I also have ordered Ten Things I Hate About You...when i watch it i'll come back to report ;D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Katiebre on September 07, 2007, 12:25:39 AM
I don't think I have ever paid attention to a single review of any film or album in my entire life. It isn't important to me what other people think of it, it is important what *I* and *I* I alone think of it and if I like it, then great, if not, I move on. I would never let a review sway my opinion of a movie no matter how good or bad the reviews were... but that's just me.

But how do you decide which film would be interesting to you?
Surely you'd go and read some accounts about the film, and they would almost always contain some review component. Or do you simply decide based on trailers?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on September 07, 2007, 03:28:53 AM
Good Morning!

I was going to say yesterday when this new thread was up ( Hello  :) and Thank you so much CellarDweller115 ! ), my recommendation for Heath's films after BBM is, as follows (chlonological order) in terms of his performance wise.

Monster's Ball (even though he appears only first 40 minites but his existence stays in the film, great!)

Lords of Dogtown

Candy


(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/silver7red/heathcandy62.jpg)

I was particularly very surprised by his acting skills in Candy that a lot of people called it as his Post-Brokeback performance.
He is not afraid of showing his vulnerable side in front of the camera and acting sympathetically to the character he plays.
It's in a way nice to see how he grew and matured as an actor if you compare that with him in Two Hands. :)

I thoght Dan (Heath in Candy) was so sweet  and he seemed to charm  ???both woman (Abby Cornish) and man (Jeffery Rush) in the film but I should stop here, because this is supposed to be a serious discussion thread ! :-X

Hi, Katiebre ! How are you? ;)

Hello gres, I hope you'll enjyoy 10 things ! please come back to talk about our Patric later (either seriously here or completely screaming like a hysterical teenager at the Planet thread) !? ;D

Hello Canstandit, I know what you mean by his row performance ! I tend to like methodic-actor.

Hi, Oilgun, I must see Tideland I haven't seen it yet !

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CellarDweller115 on September 07, 2007, 05:00:28 AM
Thanks everyone for your recs!  I have some DVDs to rent!  lmao!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on September 07, 2007, 05:10:07 AM
Thanks everyone for your recs!  I have some DVDs to rent!  lmao!

Please CellarDweller come back to us after you manage to watch any Heath's films to us I would like to hear it anytime or anythread. ;)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 07, 2007, 06:53:24 AM
Back again. The Brothers Grimm is a sweet film but not as simple as it seems. It gets a little bit lost in its own fantasy (apparently Terry Gilliam had serious problems with the finished product - backroom interference)  but it's still delightful. And Heath has said it's his favourite. Or maybe it was his favourite to make, I can't remember. He loved making it. for sure.

At first I was annoyed that he wasn't playing Luther Fox in Dirt Music (Colin Farrell is doing it now) because I thought he would have made a brilliant Lu, but now I think it wouldn't have extended him much. Heath seems determined to challenge himself in roles. I'd love him to do a musical. If there was a way for him to play Tony, Riff AND Bernardo in West Side Story I'd be delirious.

And thanks for whoever put up the Four Feathers link. I'd forgotten what an interesting film it was. I think it's time for me to have another Heath retrospective.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on September 07, 2007, 07:01:51 AM


I love Two Hands, a very quirky, interesting film, and Heath, of course, is terrific in it. There is a very early intense scene and Heath is wonderful in it; there is a little bit of Candy's Dan in Heath's role in this film. He's terrific as a kid who could end up as a criminal or not, or end up dead, you're not sure what's going to happen. The film won a top award in Australia.

I also love "A Knight's Tale," -- it's a film with a lot of energy, and a romp. There's a scene with Heath and his the actor who plays his father which is moving and displayed Heath's depth as an actor. I've bought all of his films and watched all of them with the exception of "The Order" or "Ned Kelly", mainly because the films didn't grab me immediately or it may have been the mood I was in. I'll watch them one of these days.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on September 07, 2007, 07:18:54 AM
Hi Lauren, how nice to see you in here :-* :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 07, 2007, 07:53:49 AM
Yes indeed, hello Lauren.

Heath is certainly developing as he goes along. He goes from strength to strength. I have to remind myself how young he was in those earlier films. Just a kid really.

Chuck, if you get the chance to see any of Roar, it's pretty interesting. He was drool material even then. Ooops, i'm not being serious.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: beruthiel on September 07, 2007, 08:33:39 AM
I saw a snippet of Heath on E! news last night.  (Jeez, he's got a voice like melted caramel... Oops, sorry.  :-[ ) Anyway, it wasn't entirely clear, but I think he said he was trying to stop fighting with the paparazzi and talking to them instead. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 07, 2007, 09:04:10 AM
THE PATRIOT first brought Heath to my attention.
It was the first time he moved me to tears.
He has done so, many times since then.

It's interesting to watch early films like TEN THINGS
and see how he has grown as an actor and an individual.

In my opinion, he is one of the best actors of his generation,
and he is still growing and maturing as a person and actor.

Any film he is in is worth a look-see!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: WintersGrass on September 07, 2007, 11:43:16 AM
I asked this question before, but got no response.
Has nayone ever seen the photos he takes? I read so many times that he's very into photography, I'd really like to see some of his work.

What do you folks think of the vid he made fro Ben Harper?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: beruthiel on September 07, 2007, 01:17:14 PM
I saked this question before, but got no response.
Has nayone ever seen the photos he takes? I read so many times that he's very into photography, I'd really like to see some of his work.

What do you folks think of the vid he made fro Ben Harper?

I haven't seen any of his photographs.

I love the video for "Morning Yearning." I know he did two more videos.  Anyone know what they're called?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: paintedshoes on September 07, 2007, 03:36:46 PM
I first saw Heath in AKT and LOVED it, and him, though Paul Bettany as Chaucer almost stole the film from him. I haven't seen ALL of his films, but I have seen:

The Order/The Sin Eater...really bad movie, really good Heath.

The Four Feathers...not a great movie, but I liked it enough to buy a copy.   ;)

10 Things...I watch it every time it is on TV...that place where the paintball game took place is five blocks from where I grew up, in Seattle.  Heath was just irresistable as Patric. 

The Patriot...Heath was good, didn't like the movie.

The Brothers Grimm....silly, goofy, fun.  Heath is adorable.

Lords of Dogtown....Heath was quite good in this role, I thought, even with those teeth.   :D

Monster's Ball.....I loved this film, and Heath's Sonny just about broke my heart....His ability to convey so much pain was first seen there...no wonder Diana Ossanna saw Ennis.

Casanova....silly, goofy fun.  Heath looks as if he is having the time of his life. 

-Jackie


Oh, and he did some movie with sheep in it that I've seen, oh about 60-70 times, now.  I kinda like that one. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on September 07, 2007, 04:29:11 PM
I first saw Heath in AKT and LOVED it, and him, though Paul Bettany as Chaucer almost stole the film from him. I haven't seen ALL of his films, but I have seen:

The Order/The Sin Eater...really bad movie, really good Heath.


Sadly, The Sin Eater is probably one of the worse movies I've ever seen, Heath or no Heath.  I found it so excruciatingly boring that I couldn't even watch it all in one sitting!  I don't think I've had to do that with any other movie, except maybe The Best of Youth, but that doesn't count because it's over 6 hours long,  The Sin Eater just FELT like six hours long.  The ONLY good thing about the movie was seeing Heath as a sexy priest.  Being an ex-catholic I found that quite titillating, lol!  It's hard to believe that it's from the same guy who directed A Knight's Tale which for all its faults is at least an energetic and fun romp.

I didn't like The Patriot much either, I found it a bit too.. I don't know, patriotic, lol!  Even Heath's performance didn't impress me, I think it's his weakest.  Of course, I like to blame Mel Gibson for that,  he probably intimidated him ;)

I've seen , and own, all of Heath's films (except for Blackrock, which isn't avaliable in region 1) and those are the only two that have disappointed me.  I also have ROAR, and while it is a pretty cheesy show, comparable to Xena,  it's definitely a must-have for any devout Heathen.  (and yes, I'm talking about those tight leather pants, lol!)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ruth on September 07, 2007, 07:57:37 PM
This is going to make me odd person out here, but I really intensely dislike A Knight's Tale. I can't even watch it for Heath's sake (sorry buddy). Although I feel The Order is a worse movie, I think I'd rather sit down and watch that than AKT.  Inexplicable, I know.

I do like me some Roar action though! Felt like the series was just starting to take off when it was canceled, which is often the way with TV shows...takes em a season to establish all the characters and make sure everyone understands what it's all about. Second season is when the good writing usually kicks in. I wonder what would have become of Heath's career had they signed on for further seasons? anything different?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 08, 2007, 06:00:50 AM
I asked this question before, but got no response.
Has nayone ever seen the photos he takes? I read so many times that he's very into photography, I'd really like to see some of his work.

What do you folks think of the vid he made fro Ben Harper?

Theresa over on Heathledgercentral may be able to tell you if his photos are available to look at. She knows pretty much everything.

I watched the vid once - it was okay. I didn't think it was anything special but on my computer anything looks crap.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ruth on September 08, 2007, 10:42:19 AM
I think the Morning Yearning vid was kinda nice---liked the ethereal light. But it's just a nice peaceful tune that I like anyway, so...  The vids he directed for N'fa--leastways the one with the stark shadows and light---kind of reminded me of his big black square tattoo!  I don't know know why, he's got a real definitive taste in art it seems which wouldn't be something that I personally care for (although the square tat is growing on me---but if he ever decides to have that one removed, owie!!).
I dunno, I guess I look at these vids as "the artist's early work" during his formative directorial years. Be interesting to see where he goes from here, if it's something he is going to seriously pursue.

There is a Terry Gilliam news blog and here is the post for 2007, which has the following paragraph:

"In April, there was rumour that Gilliam and Heath Ledger would team up to make a video for American indie rock band Modest Mouse. Frontman Isaac Brook told Dose that the selected track is King Rat, and added, "We kind of befriended Heath Ledger a while back through our tour manager, and he'd been wanting to do a video. Just recently, a couple of days ago, he [Ledger] said Terry Gilliam wants to animate it. So, that's really fucking exciting." "


http://www.smart.co.uk/dreams/tgnews07.htm

The blog also mentions Terry's new project, the film called "The Imaginarium of Dr Parnassus" that Heath is supposedly already cast in one of the starring roles in, along with Tom Waits. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 08, 2007, 12:56:35 PM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/cccccarol/rebelpeople2.jpg)

I am putting this here, because I guess that just about says it all (in his own words).
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on September 11, 2007, 10:37:19 PM
Good Morning!

I was going to say yesterday when this new thread was up ( Hello  :) and Thank you so much CellarDweller115 ! ), my recommendation for Heath's films after BBM is, as follows (chlonological order) in terms of his performance wise.

Monster's Ball (even though he appears only first 40 minites but his existence stays in the film, great!)

Lords of Dogtown

Candy


(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/silver7red/heathcandy62.jpg)

I was particularly very surprised by his acting skills in Candy that a lot of people called it as his Post-Brokeback performance.
He is not afraid of showing his vulnerable side in front of the camera and acting sympathetically to the character he plays.
It's in a way nice to see how he grew and matured as an actor if you compare that with him in Two Hands. :)

I thoght Dan (Heath in Candy) was so sweet  and he seemed to charm  ???both woman (Abby Cornish) and man (Jeffery Rush) in the film but I should stop here, because this is supposed to be a serious discussion thread ! :-X

Hi, Katiebre ! How are you? ;)

Hello gres, I hope you'll enjyoy 10 things ! please come back to talk about our Patric later (either seriously here or completely screaming like a hysterical teenager at the Planet thread) !? ;D

Hello Canstandit, I know what you mean by his row performance ! I tend to like methodic-actor.

Hi, Oilgun, I must see Tideland I haven't seen it yet !


Hi, Pickle! yeah, he is a natural with the Method-his Ennis personifies this, IMO. I think the more extreme the character, the greater his performances are, ya know?
Sean Penn once called it climbing in a cage, and locking it behind you-but once in the cage, you can really let go. That to me is one of the most basic descriptions of the Method I've ever heard, and Heath really embraces it, whether he knows it or not. IMO.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ruth on September 11, 2007, 11:57:03 PM
Hey all, any folks here have this magazine "First" accessible? They don't sell it around my neck of the woods. It says the latest ish has a picture article about Heath and I was kinda hoping for a scan or recap, if anyone has seen it:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/comment/0,,2166319,00.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on September 12, 2007, 07:30:56 AM
Hey all, any folks here have this magazine "First" accessible? They don't sell it around my neck of the woods. It says the latest ish has a picture article about Heath and I was kinda hoping for a scan or recap, if anyone has seen it:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/comment/0,,2166319,00.html

Hello Ruth,  :)
I've  just got back from local shopping and browsed that magazine.
As it's been criticised here in the article; But the "hard news" bit sits uneasily between celebrity spreads featuring Hell's Kitchen's Kelly LeBrock - hasn't she changed since Woman in Red! - and picture stories about Heath Ledger and Brad Pitt.
The all article about Heath in this new magazine, was about him and Micehlle's break-up with their  (old we've seen everywhere) Oscar red carpet photo with 'It's over!!' headline in the gossip section page.  >:(

So there's no dissappointment at all for you not having an access for this silly gosship magazine at all.
I was glad the shop assistant allowed me to browsed it all pages to decide not even the worth paying for it .
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ruth on September 12, 2007, 08:53:38 AM
Ah! Thanks Pickle, very good to know (and know to give it a miss the next time something from this mag pops up).  I'm glad they didn't make you pay for it before looking too! :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 12, 2007, 08:56:16 AM
I confess I was reading some trash in the supermarket today, one of the "split" articles. I wouldn't bother buying any magaziines for the lightweight rubbish that's being recycled.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ruth on September 12, 2007, 08:24:39 PM
Yummy review of "I'm Not There":  Doesn't have much to say about Heath but what he says is nice:

http://www.filmfest.ca/2007tiff/06.html

"..and Heath Ledger was unrecognizable to me, so deep was he into the character he was portraying."

What, that's it? Well, we knew that.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ruth on September 12, 2007, 08:30:38 PM
And another one! Woot.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/torontofilmfestival/2007/09/harveys-blanche.html

"As for Ledger, he portrays a Dylan infatuated with the fame of making movies concurrent with the breakdown of his marriage.

Ledger doesn't try to mimic Dylan like co-Dylan Christian Bale does, but he completely conveys the frustration between his personal and professional lives during the early '70s.

It's another nice turn in Ledger's growing body of excellent work."
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 13, 2007, 05:37:39 AM
That's a good one. Growing body of excellent work. Now there's a reviewer who's been paying attention, unlike the one who didn't recognise him. He's clearly not seen how Heath works. I saw a few shorts clips last night which just make waiting even worse. And he'll barely be on screen before he's gone again!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Queen_Beruthiel on September 13, 2007, 01:04:37 PM
You missed this bit from The Envelope:

Quote
n this accomplished and fascinating look at the life of Bob Dylan -- as played by six different actors, including Christian Bale, Richard Gere, Cate Blanchett and Heath Ledger -- the best "Dylans," by far, are the two Aussies.

:)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CellarDweller115 on September 13, 2007, 09:07:40 PM
I hope that  the great reviews he's been getting/has received for Brokeback, Candy, and I'm Not There carry over to his Joker role.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 13, 2007, 09:36:14 PM
 Entertainment

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Heath Ledger is dating Helena Christensen, according to reports.
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2007-09-13 13:35:08 -


The 'Brokeback Mountain' actor – who only confirmed his split from Michelle Williams, the mother of his baby daughter, last week – couldn't keep his hands off the 38-year-old Danish supermodel as they shared a romantic meal at New York's Wakiya restaurant on Tuesday night (11.09.07).
A fellow diner told the New York Post newspaper: 'They were making out throughout the dinner. Later, he even held her bag for her as she did interviews.' The smitten pair then went to the after-party for Naomi Watts and Viggo Mortensen's new movie 'Eastern Promises' at the Soho Grand hotel.
There they rubbed shoulders with Viggo, Moby, director David Cronenberg, Woody Harrelson, Kate Bosworth, Salman Rushdie, LL Cool J and Tommy Hilfiger, before continuing to party the night away at the Spotted Pig nightclub.
Heath, 28, and Michelle, 26, are believed to have spent months apart after 23-month-old daughter Matilda was born and close friends and family were not surprised when they called time on their relationship.
Heath and Michelle met on the set of 'Brokeback Mountain' in 2004 - a month after the Australian actor ended his two-year relationship with Naomi Watts.
Helena was most recently rumoured to be dating Josh Hartnett after they were spotted canoodling at various New York nightspots.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 13, 2007, 09:40:23 PM

From PAGE SIX in the New Your Post

September 12, 2007 -- HEATH Ledger isn't letting any grass grow under his feet since his split with Michelle Williams. The "Brokeback Mountain" star crashed the Another magazine party at the Bowery Hotel over the weekend with three Aussie mates. "He was in a ridiculously happy mood and drank Ballatore champagne all night. He ordered it throughout the dinner," our spy said. Other revelers at the private bash included Chloe Sevigny, Helena Christensen and Amy Sacco.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Nelly on September 14, 2007, 05:42:29 AM
Poor Heath.  :)

Now that he is free, I wish the media don’t speculate all the time about him.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 14, 2007, 06:08:48 AM
So much for the Serious thread! Not that I'm complaining.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 14, 2007, 09:30:58 PM
Don't know if this has been posted or not, if so ... here it is again !

 

 
Believe the hype on 'I'm Not There'
REVIEW FROM TORONTO
LA Times: The Envelope
September 11, 2007

Woody Allen's "Cassandra's Dream" is clearly one of the worst films the auteur has made in years.

The dialog is atrocious. Scene after scene feels like a bad "Saturday Night Live" skit. Colin Farrell and Ewan McGregor must have been wondering what they were getting into after signing on to this one.

Luckily for the fortunes of the Weinstein Co., they screened a much better movie immediately after: Todd Haynes' "I'm Not There."

In this accomplished and fascinating look at the life of Bob Dylan -- as played by six different actors, including Christian Bale, Richard Gere, Cate Blanchett and Heath Ledger -- the best "Dylans," by far, are the two Aussies.

Under the pseudonym "Jude," Blanchett plays Dylan as he travels with his band to London in the early '60s. BlanchettpinkIt is there that the singer gets flack from both fans and critics for changing his sound.

This portion of the film, which is intercut with the five other story-lines, is inspired by the Beatles' 1964 film "A Hard Day's Night." It is hands-down the most entertaining and compelling portion of the picture.

The film's outspoken distributor, Harvey Weinstein, had relentlessly pumped up Blanchett before the "I'm Not There" premiere at the Venice Film Festival. But this time, it wasn't just Harvey bluster -- she is phenomenal.

At times you completely forget it's the same actor who was parading around on screen a few days earlier as the Queen of England in "Elizabeth: The Golden Age" or that a woman is so believably playing a male role (really).

And as for Oscar? Her chances are probably better in the best supporting actress race than best actress, but the potential for a nod and a win are there.

As for Ledger, he portrays a Dylan infatuated with the fame of making movies concurrent with the breakdown of his marriage.

Ledger doesn't try to mimic Dylan like co-Dylan Christian Bale does, but he completely conveys the frustration between his personal and professional lives during the early '70s.

It's another nice turn in Ledger's growing body of excellent work.


-- Gregory Ellwood
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lovebbm on September 15, 2007, 09:21:05 AM
I'm really eager to see this movie.  When is its general release date??
Good for Heath.  I hope he continues to do great stuff despite the turbulence in his own lifel.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 15, 2007, 08:45:11 PM
21st November is the US release date but if I remember correctly, it's not being broadly shown so you might have to hunt around for it. It depends on where you live. Beautiful New England?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368794/releaseinfo
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 16, 2007, 05:04:55 PM

 
"I'm Not There" Soundtrack - Full Details
08 September 2007
Source: The Playlist


Vinyl Fever looks to have trumped all of us chasing after the "I'm Not There" soundtrack details and good for them. They've got what appears to be the entire tracklist and it syncs up with those artists that we recently reported first - Eddie Vedder, Karen O, Charlotte Gainsbourg, Sufjan Stevens, Wilco's Jeff Tweedy. As The Playlist reported earlier, their release date is October 30, however their tracklisting has 33, not 34 tracks.

Interesting new additions include Antony and the Johnsons, Mark Lanegan, the Black Keys and Television's Tom Verlaine. Rounding out the list of new soundtrack contributors are Jack Johnson, Mira Billotte (of White Magic and Quix*o*tic), Bob Forrest (ex-Thelonious Monster; looks like it...), Ramblin' Jack Elliot and Los Lobos.

Looks Like Calexico are almost the house band on this thing working with Iron & Wine, Willie Nelson, My Morning Jacket's Jim James, Charlotte Gainsbourg and Roger McGuinn.

But the million dollar question is, who is The Million Dollar Bashers? They back a multitude of artists on this soundtrack (*Update*: their identities revealed plus one other track).

As The Playlist predicted, Dylan's much-sought and never-officially-released version of "I'm Not There" (from the Genuine Basement Tapes) is included on the disc (discs?) and our old reported rumor of Mason Jennings' inclusion also turned out to be true.


Tracklist according to Vinyl Fever:

All Along The Watchtower --Eddie Vedder & The Million Dollar Bashers
As I Went Out One Morning--Mira Billotte
Ballad Of A Thin Man--Stephen Malkmus & The Million Dollar Bashers
Billy--Los Lobos
Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window--The Hold Steady
Can't Leave Her Behind--Stephen Malkmus & Lee Ranaldo
Cold Irons Bound--Tom Verlaine & The Million Dollar Bashers
Dark Eyes--Iron & Wine & Calexico
Fourth Time Around--Yo La Tengo
Goin' To Acapulco--Jim James & Calexico
Highway 61 Revisited--Karen O & The Million Dollar Bashers
I Dreamed I Saw St. Augustine - John Doe
I Wanna Be Your Lover--Yo La Tengo
I'm Not There--Bob Dylan
I'm Not There--Sonic Youth
Just Like A Woman--Charlotte Gainsbourg & Calexico
Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues--Ramblin' Jack Elliot
Knockin' On Heaven's Door--Antony & The Johnsons
The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll--Mason Jennings
Maggie's Farm--Stephen Malkmus & The Million Dollar Bashers
Mama You've Been On My Mind--Jack Johnson
The Man In The Long Black Coat--Mark Lanegan
Moonshiner--Bob Forrest
One More Cup Of Coffee--Roger McGuinn & Calexico
Pressing On--John Doe
Ring Them Bells--Sufjan Stevens
Señor (Tales Of Yankee Power)--Willie Nelson & Calexico
Simple Twist Of Fate--Jeff Tweedy
Stuck Inside Of Mobile With Memphis Blues Again--Cat Power
The Times They Are A Changin'--Mason Jennings
Tombstone Blues--Richie Havens
When The Ship Comes In--Marcus Carl Franklin
Wicked Messenger--The Black Keys
You Ain't Goin 'Nowhere--Glen Hansard & Markta Irglov
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 16, 2007, 05:09:01 PM

 
'I'm Not There' Digs Deep
Marc Olsen, LA Times The Envelope
September 12, 2007


Do not attempt to operate heavy machinery directly after seeing "I'm Not There."

A head-spinning take on the many personas presented by the work of Bob Dylan, the latest film from director Todd Haynes is a dense, dizzying, multifaceted way of approaching the life and meaning of an artist, and pretty great whether you're a dedicated Dylanologist or not.

While his glam-rock gloss "Velvet Goldmine" was undone by a heavy-handed conceptual nod to "Citizen Kane," here Haynes is able to (almost) always keep all the plates spinning. At first, as scenes shift from one actor to another portraying Dylan in his various guises, it seems perhaps a little too on-the-nose. (A little too "Across the Universe" might be more like it, but that's another story.)

Slowly -- especially as it crosses between the domestic dramas of Heath Ledger (think "Blood on the Tracks"), the speed-freak op-art hep-cat jive of Cate Blanchett (shades of "Blonde on Blonde" and the film "Don't Look Back") and Richard Gere's outlaw in exile (a la "The Basement Tapes" and Sam Peckinpah's "Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid," for which Dylan did the music and appeared as a character notably named Alias) -- the film accumulates a strange, galloping momentum, moving faster and faster and drawing the audience along.

And that's leaving out the rambling troubadour and the born-again preacher.

As much as people will talk of Blanchett, Ledger, Gere and Christian Bale, it should be noted that there are three other fine performances in the film.

Julianne Moore plays a Joan Baez protest type and Michelle Williams an Edie Sedgwick ingenue, and Charlotte Gainsbourg appears as a version of Dylan's ex-wife Sara Lowndes, known to many as the "Sad-Eyed Lady of the Lowlands."

There's also a fun, quick cameo form Sonic Youth's Kim Gordon, again showing the way in which Haynes wisely opens up "I'm Not there" to more than just empty "you had to be there, man" nostalgia-tripping. (The conception and portrayal of the 1960s in the Beatles-derived "Across the Universe," on the other hand, is single-minded and deadly dull, like reading Rolling Stone in the '80s.)

Gainsbourg's performance in particular does a great deal toward rooting "I'm Not There" in something with more emotional resonance than just recognizing the references. Williams has a danger and energy really hinted at only by the Sedgwick bio-pic "Factory Girl," whereas Moore has the slightly rueful recollections of Baez down cold.

If anything, it's a shame that Haynes couldn't somehow have kept moving forward, as for me the most recent Dylan persona -- that of a dustbowl riverboat gambler -- is a personal favorite.

The theme of reinvention has been a constant one in Dylan's work, and Haynes was shrewd to pick up on it as a thread to hang his story together with. In Martin Scorsese's documentary "No Direction Home," Dylan himself talks of wanting to exist in a constant state of "becoming," and in his book "Chronicles: Volume 1" he mentions how while writing the protest music that would originally make his legend in the 1960s he was largely reading and thinking about the Civil War.

Or, as he says on the "Live 1964" CD, "I've got my Bob Dylan mask on. I'm masquerading."
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on September 16, 2007, 05:40:38 PM
Sufjan Stevens on the INT soundtrack? Niiiiiice!  ;D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oceansbetween on September 17, 2007, 09:37:55 PM
Allocine has a brief video interview with Heath Ledger talking about The Joker in The Dark Knight; starts at the 2:18 minute mark in the video at this link (http://www.allocine.fr/video/laminute/default_gen_cmedia=18746255.html).

“The Joker, so far, is definitely the most fun I’ve had with any character. He’s just out of control, he has no empathy. He’s a sociopath, psychotic, mass-murdering clown, and I’m just thoroughly, thoroughly enjoying it. It’s exceeded any expectations I’ve had, in terms of what the experience would be like. So it’s...it’s...it’ll be interesting.”
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on September 18, 2007, 04:08:06 AM
Allocine has a brief video interview with Heath Ledger talking about The Joker in The Dark Knight; starts at the 2:18 minute mark in the video at this link (http://www.allocine.fr/video/laminute/default_gen_cmedia=18746255.html).

Thank you very much Oceans !! (Hi! ;) )
I've just seen this clip on the planet thread posted by UltraViolet this morning.
and that reminded me of the interview article with Christian Bale on Total Film magazine (September 2007 issue no.132)
his quotes about Heath in TDK was very interesting but somebody has already posted on the Planet thread too....

Anyway, from on page 51

'It's a much more anarchic, punk rock, almost junkie version of it ' says Bale, of Heath Ledger's disturbing take on Batman's deadlist foe.' He's that kind of psycho kid that just will do anything and has absolutely no conscience and morals-I think they've done a real nice job with his look. It's certainly a whole lot more dangerous; there's a bit of Clockwork of Orange there, a bit of Sid Vicious, a whole lot of great, anarchic personalities blended within The Joker.

I'm really looking forward to see ANARCHIC Heath on screen !!!! (exciting!)

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Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on September 18, 2007, 05:05:37 AM
Hi, Pickle! yeah, he is a natural with the Method-his Ennis personifies this, IMO. I think the more extreme the character, the greater his performances are, ya know?
Sean Penn once called it climbing in a cage, and locking it behind you-but once in the cage, you can really let go. That to me is one of the most basic descriptions of the Method I've ever heard, and Heath really embraces it, whether he knows it or not. IMO.

Sorry for being unable to reply quickly, Cantstandit, I was actually looking for this  article for a week...

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/silver7red/heathonalexandertech.jpg)

here is an article about how Heath learnt the Alexander Technique with his acting coach and helped his performance for his BBM and Candy's role.

I also thought it's interesting because he is mentioning three actors' performance made him impress the most as;
Daniel Day Lewis in My Left Foot,
Phillip Seymour Hoffman in Capote and
Gary Oldman in Sid & Nancy.

Heath is co-staring with Gary Oldman in The Dark Knight and I'm sure Oldman was pleased to see his previous work had an influence on Heath's Joker role!! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 18, 2007, 08:01:54 AM
 (http://aycu03.webshots.com/image/27642/2005677715317773074_rs.jpg)
 
Ledger has fun with the Joker in 'The Dark Knight'
Source: Comics2Film
September 17, 2007



Apparently actor Heath Ledger is having a ball being bad in 'The Dark Knight'. He told French website Allocine in a video interview:

"The Joker, so far, is definitely the most fun I’ve had with any character. He’s just out of control -- no empathy, he’s a sociopath, uh, a psychotic, mass-murdering clown. And, uh, I’m just thoroughly, thoroughly enjoying it. It’s just exceeded any expectations I had of what the experience would be like. It will be interesting!"
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 18, 2007, 08:37:36 AM
 
Heath Ledger
Casanova

Interviewed by David Michael

   I'd just come off Brokeback Mountain and that had been excruciating and Casanova was like my holiday! 


2005 will undoubtedly have gone down as a pretty good 12 months for Heath Ledger. He starred in a whopping five films - The Brothers Grimm, Lords Of Dogtown, Brokeback Mountain, Casanova and upcoming Aussie pic Candy - garnering rave reviews and awards as he went, and, as if that wasn't enough, became a dad with Brokeback co-star Michelle Williams. If Ang Lee's much feted western was his most intense film to date, Casanova sees Ledger in a lighter mood playing the legendary ladies' man in Lasse Hallström's whimsical Venetian tale.

Isn't Casanova the most perfect role for method acting?

Yes, I guess. In the perfect world, I wouldn't have found the love of my life [Michelle Williams] before this movie.

Can you identify with the character of Casanova in any way?

I have loved, I have loved women. I know he was quite bi-sexual, he kind of flung himself around, and so that wasn't a similarity. So really, it's just my appreciation for love and being in love, and he did fall in love with each and every conquest. Unlike Don Juan, who just had sex with them and woke up in the morning and laughed in their face.

Strangely, this is a version of Casanova without any sex scenes?

Because it's for kids and for their parents, and the parents' parents - it's a Disney film.

So why do a Disney film?

I didn't want to take it seriously. Sometimes I feel I don't want to prove anything to myself. I just want to have fun and go on a working holiday. That's what Casanova was for me. I don't have to take myself seriously, I don't have to prove anything, I just wanted some fun, and that's what the script was. After reading the script, I realised it wasn't taking responsibility, so why should I. Also, I'd just come off Brokeback Mountain and that had been excruciating and Casanova was like my holiday.

A holiday in Venice?

Yes, shooting the film entirely in Venice was like a four-and-a-half month tour of a city. Venice feels like it should only exist in your dreams, but it's real, and you really are floating in a boat to work in the morning.

There was some last minute problems with the script wasn't there?

The script was completely destroyed and re-written two weeks before we shot the film. Which was crazy considering the pre-production.

Why did that happen?

Because it was crap [laughs]. It just wasn't as good as it should have been. So, they gave it an overhaul and it came back a lot smarter and wittier. Therefore we didn't have any schedule and we were shooting on a day-by-day basis.

Director Lasse Hallström said you did a lot of your own stunts. Were you good at the sword play for example? How did you prepare for the role?

I used to play a lot of field hockey when I was a kid, and I think that just went into this. I have wrists from playing field hockey and I've wielded a sword before in films. I only really did research for Casanova out of curiosity. It's not Fellini's Casanova, but upon learning about his life, I thought how much I wanted to really do his life, and really try to connect with him, as he was a complex fellow. To attempt that would have been interesting. But because the story and film wasn't doing that, I kind of didn't want to attempt it. I thought it was better to leave it for another day, when a film is trying to represent him.

Shortly after you wrapped on Casanova you became a dad for the first time, how was that?

I've liked the changes it's had inside of me already, and the clarity it's given me in life. I'm so focused, and I feel like I'm finally synchronizing in life on a grand scale, it's wonderful.
 
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2006/02/06/heath_ledger_casanova_2006_interview.shtml
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Queen_Beruthiel on September 18, 2007, 10:17:20 AM
More excruciating experiences and fewer holidays are called for, I would say. ::)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 18, 2007, 08:35:35 PM
 
Heath Attends Marc Jacobs Spring 2008 Show for NY Fashion Week
Tuesday, 11 September 2007



On Monday, 10 September 2007, Heath attended the Marc Jacobs Spring 2008 Fashion Show at the New York State Armory. The event was held as part of the Mercedes-Benz NY Fashion Week, Spring 2008. The show, with its elaborate runway, was scheduled to begin at 9 p.m., but it ran late into the evening amid rumors of samples arriving late. The invitees were refused entry and told, "Go out and get a drink and come back at 10 p.m." The show didn't actually start until after 11, and the who's-who apparently knew that, as they didn't begin arriving until necessary.

At 10:30 pm, Heath Ledger, photographer Ellen von Unwerth, model Helena Christensen and Michael Stipe faced a wall of flashbulbs as they arrived. The media-shy Australian tried to sneak in unnoticed and almost succeeded, as a large group of paparazzi were distracted by supermodel Christensen with the REM lead singer. Alas, Ledger was recognized by the paparazzi, and made a dash for the door, avoiding the red carpet.

Inside, Ledger was seated between actor, Vincent Gallo and Stipe.

After a 2 hour late start, the show ended quickly by 11:25 p.m. leaving both Stipe & Ledger looking shellshocked.
“It was the first show I’ve ever been to,” the movie star said, his hair artfully messy, a scarf around his neck.

“I particularly liked the footwear. I liked the horizontal heel. I thought that was very nifty.”

How did this whole scene compare to Hollywood? Ledger looked around in a daze and lit a cigarette.
“It’s very similar, I must say.”

As the crowds ran for the exit, REM's Stipe asked if there was another way out. No secret exits for the celebs here! They had to leave the venue slowly along with the crowd.

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Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 18, 2007, 08:44:24 PM
Scoop: Catwoman And Joker For Batman 3
By Josh Tyler: 2007 September 04 16:09:05
Excerpt from: CinemaBlend.com


It may seem a little early to be worrying about a third Batman movie while the second one is still filming, but if Batman Begins has taught us anything about Christopher Nolan it’s that he plans ahead. Batman Begins set the stage for The Dark Knight, with references to the appearance of the Joker in the next film. It’s likely that Nolan will do the same thing with The Dark Knight in setting up a third Batman sequel, and we have a surprising bit of information on who may show up in it.

One of CinemaBlend's most reliable, long time scoopers just sent the following tidbit: “Word is that Heath Ledger could be coming back in the next sequel which will have Two Face as the main villain.”

Even more exciting than the idea that we may get the Joker in more than one movie is the identity of another villain who may be in Batman 3. According to our source, “it could also include a certain female feline as well.” Bear in mind that the script for Batman 3 hasn’t been written yet, so it’s all just talk at this stage. But if this really is something Nolan is kicking around for a future Batman project, then don’t be surprised to see a few hints at the future arrival of Catwoman in The Dark Knight.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on September 18, 2007, 08:47:20 PM
Hi, Pickle! yeah, he is a natural with the Method-his Ennis personifies this, IMO. I think the more extreme the character, the greater his performances are, ya know?
Sean Penn once called it climbing in a cage, and locking it behind you-but once in the cage, you can really let go. That to me is one of the most basic descriptions of the Method I've ever heard, and Heath really embraces it, whether he knows it or not. IMO.

Sorry for being unable to reply quickly, Cantstandit, I was actually looking for this  article for a week...

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/silver7red/heathonalexandertech.jpg)

here is an article about how Heath learnt the Alexander Technique with his acting coach and helped his performance for his BBM and Candy's role.

I also thought it's interesting because he is mentioning three actors' performance made him impress the most as;
Daniel Day Lewis in My Left Foot,
Phillip Seymour Hoffman in Capote and
Gary Oldman in Sid & Nancy.

Heath is co-staring with Gary Oldman in The Dark Knight and I'm sure Oldman was pleased to see his previous work had an influence on Heath's Joker role!! :D :D :D

Hmm, that doesn't sound alot like Method acting....but he sure seems to be doing it, from my own experience of it....I suppose he could still be a natural, and have evolved skills on top of it....thanks for letting us know about that! I confess, I have not heard of the Alexander Technique....Now I'll have to Google it, of course!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on September 18, 2007, 08:54:22 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Technique

here's a link to it..fascinating read, mostly an educational technique, but is applied to the performing arts...it certainly makes sense. Not sure I would've guessed he was a proponent of it.

Thanks again for drawing my attention to it...its good to know about him.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 18, 2007, 09:00:37 PM
The Alexander Technique isn't an acting thing. It's a method of learning how to hold your body correctly, of knowing why you have the sort of posture you have. I think Heath uses it in reverse, works out how a character would hold himself because of his personal issues. Once you get the right posture, a lot of the character falls into place.

Did everyone read the article about the speech coach which was mentioned on the previous Daily Sheet? She said how Jake is theartre-trained and analytical, whereas Heath flies by the seat of his pants and therefore finds the going harder as he's thinking so much stuff at the same time. She said she got him to hold his bottom lip as a tobacco-chewer does, to get that hard sound.

I've had arguments with actors about getting into a character. I reckon you can do a lot by working from the outside in. If you hold yourself as someone would, you start to find where the tensions are in your body and work out where they come from, what drives them to hold themselves like that. I think that's how Heath uses the Alexander stuff. Arse about.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on September 18, 2007, 09:05:19 PM
More excruciating experiences and fewer holidays are called for, I would say. ::)

Well said!

And what's with him asserting his heterosexuality, out of nowhere?  That's disappointing, I didn't think he was so insecure.

Quote
"I have loved, I have loved women. I know he was quite bi-sexual, he kind of flung himself around, and so that wasn't a similarity."
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on September 18, 2007, 09:08:03 PM
The Alexander Technique isn't an acting thing. It's a method of learning how to hold your body correctly, of knowing why you have the sort of posture you have. I think Heath uses it in reverse, works out how a character would hold himself because of his personal issues. Once you get the right posture, a lot of the character falls into place.

Did everyone read the article about the speech coach which was mentioned on the previous Daily Sheet? She said how Jake is theartre-trained and analytical, whereas Heath flies by the seat of his pants and therefore finds the going harder as he's thinking so much stuff at the same time. She said she got him to hold his bottom lip as a tobacco-chewer does, to get that hard sound.

I've had arguments with actors about getting into a character. I reckon you can do a lot by working from the outside in. If you hold yourself as someone would, you start to find where the tensions are in your body and work out where they come from, what drives them to hold themselves like that. I think that's how Heath uses the Alexander stuff. Arse about.


ah, interesting stuff..I posted a link on the other page with some more reading on it....
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on September 18, 2007, 09:10:32 PM
..and here is a Wik link on The Method-it's pretty standard today, so much easier on actors to draw on authentic experience to create an emotional state....Some people, though, can just 'do it', and it comes out right.... I see Michelle Williams in that category-she's just a natural actor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_acting

Enjoy! And remember who Heath has been compared to with Ennis-the great Method actors! :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 18, 2007, 09:31:08 PM

And what's with him asserting his heterosexuality, out of nowhere?  That's disappointing, I didn't think he was so insecure.

Quote
"I have loved, I have loved women. I know he was quite bi-sexual, he kind of flung himself around, and so that wasn't a similarity."

Context - always look at context. It was an answer in response to the question "Can you identify with the character of Casanova in any way?" Maybe he was just pre-empting unspoken questions. I don't think he's insecure at all. Having said that, I guess the bi/gay stuff would have been tucked away in his head after Brokeback, and it's something that he might readily consider when asked such questions. Heath speaks very carefully - he chooses his words well (on the whole) and maybe he was just covering all bases.

I sound as if I'm jumping to his defence. I probably am but I don't see him as insecure at all.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 19, 2007, 06:18:50 AM
   
Heath Ledger
Brokeback Mountain

Interviewed by Stephen Applebaum

   "It scared the hell out of me. I didn't want to kiss Jake Gyllenhaal, you know?"


Australian Heath Ledger broke through on to the international movie scene playing a sensitive hunk in 10 Things I Hate About You. Six years later, his performance as a gay cowboy in Ang Lee's Brokeback Mountain has turned him into a hot Oscar prospect. Ledger has also recently been seen as a ghost hunter in Terry Gilliam's The Brothers Grimm, and will soon hit our screens as the eponymous Venetian Lothario in Lasse Hallström's comedy, Casanova.

What appealed to you about Brokeback Mountain?

Firstly, I thought the script was beautiful. I feel like most of the scripts for movies or books I've read concerning love are recycled and a little stale, and I thought this was a very fresh and complex version of a story of love. Also, the character of Ennis really struck a chord with me. His battle with his genetic make up, what had been passed down to him from his father and his father's father, and their beliefs and their traditions, he was fighting against all that; he was a homophobic man who loved women and men, and I found his contradictions really interesting.

In order to survive his environment he has had to really assert his masculinity, hasn't he?

Yeah, he's the most macho character I have played. That was the point: love transcends all of that.

In America especially, a lot of straight actors seem afraid to play gay characters, fearful of the impact it could have on their image. Did you worry?

Well I don't have an image, and I didn't then. But it was a very difficult decision because it scared the hell out of me. And I didn't want to kiss Jake Gyllenhaal, you know? [Laughs] And then I just felt like that's probably why I should do it, because I feel like I further myself if I'm constantly testing myself.

How did you and Jake work out the more intimate moments? Did you just go for it? Presumably there was a lot of trust involved.

Yeah, but that wasn't an issue. We obviously trusted each other and we most definitely didn't just go for it [laughs]. It was highly choreographed and thought out. It had to be. I mean, what do you do? I wouldn't want to just go for it, if that's what you're saying. But my reservations towards actually going through with it, and my nerves, actually worked for the film, because Ennis was very reserved and nervous about doing it. So it was lucky.

It also presumably takes a lot of self confidence and knowing who you are to do a role like this.

That's not the statement I'm making but yeah, I'm definitely confident in who I am.

Do you take advice when considering something like this?

Advice on what?

Whether the subject matter is what you should be tackling, because this is risky material?

That's just a matter of opinion. I don't feel like I have anything to lose, so I don't really understand what I'm putting at risk. No, I didn't really take advice. Most of the people around me were really encouraging about it.

You recently shot a low-budget love story about two junkies, Candy, in Australia. How was that?

Performing in it was a lot of fun because it was the first time I had used my own accent in a film in eight years. I had forgotten how free a thing can be and how liberating it is to not be weighed down by an accent. It was f****** fantastic! You allow yourself to breathe in your accent, you allow yourself to mumble, and improvising is, like, at the tips of your fingers. So it was really enjoyable for that reason. But it was just gruelling subject matter and some of the most gruelling scenes ever.

Do you have any plans about the kinds of parts you'd like to play? How carefully do you think about it?

I don't have that much forward planning about what I want to do next, or in the future. I guess if I'm doing something like, say, Lords Of Dogtown, then I really like to flip the scale on the next job. That's how Brokeback and Casanova really complemented each other, because Brokeback was really intense and excruciating, and Casanova was all drinking wine and eating pasta. It was like a holiday. So I've got no future plans. As long as it scares me, as long as it's something new, as long as I get to scare other people... I don't know, as long as I get to evolve and grow as an actor and as a person, that's the stuff I'm after.

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2005/12/20/heath_ledger_brokeback_mountain_2005_interview.shtml
 
 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 19, 2007, 06:40:22 AM
Exclusive Interview : Heath Ledger

Heath Ledger arrives in Toronto for the North American premiere of his Australian film, "Candy", without an entourage. There’s no publicist and no fanfare. “When I’m not working I don’t need a publicist”, Ledger says, as we sit in the quiet corner of a Toronto hotel restaurant. Here for just a day, he already misses wife Michelle Williams and daughter Matilda. “ Matilda is just awesome and being a father has also helped me become even more selective now with work because for me, to go away from home for a day, let alone five, is tough,” says Heath, with a wistful smile. Ledger, though, was more than happy to leave Montreal where Michelle is shooting Todd Haynes’ Bob Dylan film I'm Not There, in which he also appears, to talk about "Candy". In another unforgettable performance, the now Oscar nominee plays a self-destructive heroin addict, also ferociously in love with the beautiful Candy. The actor, who hasn’t made a film in his native Australia since "Ned Kelly" or with is own accent since 1999’s "Two Hands", says it was a release to go back to Australia and work there. “I mean I’m constantly looking for material back there for that reason and it was so liberating to talk without an accent. But I also love to tell Australian stories and they’re just so very few of them back there right now, because any half decent or half talented writer, actor or cinematographer just gets ripped up and taken out of there, so the pickings are slim.” Ledger was happy to get paid far less than usual to take on another challenging role. “I really loved working on it, I was so comfortable and relaxed and I was working with wonderful people like Abbie. Cornish.”

Ledger and Cornish both took the job of research very seriously, almost too seriously it seems. ”We grabbed a video camera and went down to this place in Sydney called NUA, which is the Narcotics Users Association. There we met this gentleman who has been and still is a junkie for something like 25 years. So he took us into this little room, pulled out what looked like a rifle case, opened it up and there was a prosthetic arm in it – like a really lifelike arm, and at the end, on the shoulder, there are two tubes that have blood bags and you put fake blood into them and they’re fully functional veins in the arm that you can inject into and pull out blood. I mean they’re designed to teach nurses and stuff like that how to find veins, but they have one here to teach kids how to inject safely. And so he was like, oh, look at that vein, that’s a good one, ooh, ooh, and he was salivating at the mouth, and he was like let’s get one here, so there was that,” he recalls, laughingly. "We filmed it and so I gave the DVD to Geoffrey Rush, one to the Art Department and one to Neil, just as reference.” The film, "Candy", which is being released in the United States by ThinkFilm later this year, was loosely based on the real life experiences of addict Luke Davies “who was on set all the time and was there to say things that we wouldn’t know – like when you’re stoned high on heroine, your eyes aren’t like that but your eyebrows are up.” But the actor concedes he could have survived without too much of the research. After all, he says laughingly, “I feel that I’ve read a million books and articles and have seen a million movies and TV shows on heroine and heroine addiction, I just feel like we all kind of have seen it.”

Since the first time we met, on the set of "Two Hands" in Australia, Ledger has evolved into one of Hollywood’s true A-list stars. Last year, he joined that elite group of Oscar nominees for his sensitive and much acclaimed performance in Brokeback Mountain. Looking back, the actor is genuinely surprised that the film took off like it did. “I was definitely surprised and my expectations for the film were really down here,” he says laughingly, moving his hands towards the floor. “I was really pleasantly surprised and so grateful to have been given that opportunity and really proud of it but I’m really happy it’s all over too, because it was really exhausting,” Ledger says, recalling the awards season and the lead up to the Oscars. But he also admits almost shyly, that his nomination has opened up even more doors. “I think there’s a new level of interest kind of thing but I haven’t really acted on it, since the only thing I’ve really done since is this Todd Haynes film and The Joker.” It is his decision to play The Joker in the new Batman film "The Dark Knight" that has caused much interest in the industry. He says that ordinarily doing something like that would not be of interest to him. “I actually hate comic book movies, like fucking hate them, they just bore me shitless and they’re just dumb. But I thought what Chris Nolan did with Batman was actually really good, really well directed, and Christian Bale was really great in it.” Ledger says he’s looking forward to playing a truly evil character. “He’s going to be really sinister and it’s going to be less about his laugh and his pranks and more about just him being a just a fucking sinister guy.” Asked if he decides to do a big movie like this, because of agent pressure, Ledger pauses then laughs. “I’m sure they’re super happy that I’m doing this, because this is the first time I’ve really kind of taken something like that, so they’re over the moon. But I think it’s just going to be a really fun experience, and I love to dress up and wear a mask.” No costumes have been designed, but the actor says that “I’ve seen a few interesting designs on the look and I think that it’s going to look pretty cool.”

Who would have thought that when young Heath decided to move to Los Angeles at age 17, he would ultimately end up as a gay cowboy and Batman’s nemesis in a matter of a year or so? But life turned out differently than even he could have imagined. After all, we both moved to LA for the same reason, as I discovered during this conversation: For love. “I also moved to LA to follow a girl,” he recalls laughingly. “I did Roar, was dating a girl in the TV show, she went back to LA and I had to go with her. I stayed there and lived with for her for two years.” Then he landed his first major film role – back in Australia- Two Hands. The rest, as they, is history. Now Ledger says he’s at his happiest, both professionally and personally. “When you’re this happy everything seems to fall into place.”

- Paul Fischer


 http://www.moviehole.net/interviews/20060912_exclusive_interview_heath_ledg.html

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 19, 2007, 07:14:42 AM
Interview: Heath Ledger
Interview by Clint Morris

 
 
It’s amazing what bringing a child into this world can do for someone. Since I last sat across from Australian actor turned hot Hollywood commodity Heath Ledger - which was in 2004, to discuss Ned Kelly - he seems to have matured, found gratification and largely, discovered his voice.

Fatherhood definitely seems to agree with 26-year-old Heathcliff Andrew Ledger.

Back in his native Australia to promote his new film Brokeback Mountain, a divisive yarn about two male ranch hands that fall in love, Ledger glows more than a freshly pressed glow-in-the-dark Ghostbusters T-Shirt when asked about baby Matilda.

"It’s going great," he smiles. "It’s exhausting, but it’s a pleasure…a pleasure waking up to your daughter."

Not that Ledger’s keen on talking about his personal life - his wife, and mother to his child, is Brokeback Mountain co-star Michelle Williams - for the extent of the interview.

He rather promptly shifts the subject to the film he’s in town to plug.

What attracted Ledger to his latest role was the chance to work with acclaimed Hong Kong director Ang Lee. "I don’t think I would have done it if it had been in anyone else’s hands," he says.

Having said that, Lee wasn’t painless to work for, explains Ledger - but his toughness ultimately helped Ledger give the stellar performance he does in the film.

"There’s two sides to Ang’s direction - there’s the pre-production, which is incredibly thorough and private, and then there’s the shooting side, when he just doesn’t say anything at all. Nothing. If you haven’t done your homework - too bad. It was clear that the shooting time was his time to create."

"He’s also very set in his ways. He prepares you so much that he doesn’t cloud you with direction. There are not many instructions; it’s always just crisp and clear. He also doesn’t patronise you by slapping you on the back after every scene and saying ‘that was great, that was great… let’s try one more.’"

"In fact, he never compliments you at all. Yet, it makes you try harder - and you do end up doing better."

The role was also quite an exigent one for Ledger, but thankfully he had a great co-star in Jake Gyllenhaal, who was also a virgin to such taxing material.

"It’s not like we sat around and drank at bars together before we did the movie, but we were in the same place, and he’s a great guy - so it made things a lot easier," the actor, whose credits include The Four Feathers, Two Hands and The Patriot, admits.

From the get-go, Ledger was always attached to play the quieter of the two men, homophobe Ennis. Had he been asked to play the more confident Jack - he wouldn’t have done it.

"I wouldn’t have cast me as [Jack]. I personally, enjoyed the complexity of Ennis, the lack of words he had to express himself, his inability to love. I liked how masculine he was going to be. I liked that he was a homophobic guy that falls in love with another man. I just don’t think I could’ve played Jack."

Not that Ledger could just turn up on the set and just play Ennis. He had to do quite a bit of research, he says. "You had to have a through understanding of who you were playing. I put a lot of time into his physical traits, like his posture, or lack of, and his voice."

For Ennis’s voice, Ledger decided to do a "Wyoming accent… a little bit of Texas," adding, "Because he was so clenched as a person, I wanted my mouth to be clenched. Whenever words came out - they had to be punching their way out."

The most enjoyable part of shooting the film was getting to spend time in the outdoors. Ledger says he’s "pretty good on horseback" so enjoyed getting around on horses, and "we were working in the Rockies, so it was just majestic."

Though there has been some counterattack against the movie, Ledger’s happy that most people have reacted favourably to the film.

"I heard at one point that West Virginia was going to ban it, but that’s a state that was still lynching people until about twenty years ago," he laughs. "I think it’s proven to have the opposite effect. All of the American states, besides the odd one here and there, have ended up seeing it. It seems to have proven everyone wrong. I think people just want to see it so they can have an opinion on it. It’s really interesting…I think it’s going to turn into some kind of phenomenon."

Though he says it wasn’t an enjoyable experience to make ("because it was such a lonely story, and therefore, I had a lonely time making the film - which you kinda just drag around with you for months after"), he believes Brokeback Mountain is "the best film I’ve done, for sure."

So what’s the most fun he’s ever had on a film? "Working for Terry Gilliam (on The Brothers Grimm) was the most fun. I just adore him."

Ledger says he’s going to let wife Michelle Williams go out and work this year whilst he stays home and plays ‘Mr.Mom’ for a while. "We don’t want to be working at the same time, and I’m really in tune with fatherhood right now - so I’m going to do that."

One thing he will be suiting up for though is the upcoming Awards season, something he never saw coming: "You can’t think that far ahead when you’re making something. You’ve no idea how something is going to be perceived way down the line. If you think like that - your performance will be more manufactured. You have to pretend nobody is ever going to see it in order to really bare you soul."

 http://www.moviehole.net/interviews/20060110_interview_heath_ledger.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 19, 2007, 07:54:56 AM
Roco, thanks for all these wonderful interviews.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 19, 2007, 08:03:46 AM
 More than just 'the gay cowboy movie': Heath Ledger discusses 'Brokeback Mountain'
Enrique Ollero
Issue date: 2/2/06 Section: Arts & Culture


Heath Ledger has been a knight, a high school outcast and a skater, but never a gay cowboy until now. He also wasn't nominated for a Golden Globe or a SAG Award until now either. Though "Brokeback" has seen it's fair share of controversy and scrutiny, the film has been breaking boundaries and garnering a lot of critical acclaim. While some may write it off as 'the gay cowboy movie,' Ledger feels very strongly that the core story of love breaks all molds and transcends any label.

THE OBSERVER: In an interview with Details magazine Jake Gyllenhaal said your characters are not gay. What is your feeling about it?

HEATH LEDGER: It's a touchy subject. Its two men that fall in love; you can't escape that. I think what Jake meant was that,…[we] wanted to tell a story of someone who transcends the label of straight or gay; he's a soul that falls in love with another soul within the vessel of a man. And I think Jake's character was more relaxed in his situation and more willing to express it while Ennis was more confused.

THE OBSERVER: Has he always been confused?

HEATH LEDGER: I don't think Ennis is a person who ever asked any questions. I think once he met Jake's character it was an innate reaction.

THE OBSERVER: Was Ennis ever in love with Alma, Michelle Williams' character?

HEATH LEDGER: I think he believed he was and I think he felt he should be, but I don't think it at the end of the day it was the love he had with Jack.

Maybe he would have denied himself that kind of love if he never met Jack.

THE OBSERVER: It seems to have taken a lot to maintain that performance; what was your process?

HEATH LEDGER: I wanted to investigate him. I actually had to ask a lot more questions than Ennis would ever ask himself and essentially I knew more about him that he would ever know…Then there was his physical aspects like how he would walk and act, I wanted him to be like clenched like a fist, even to have his mouth be clenched, any form of expression had to be painful. I put a lot of thought into that, and of course aging, I thought was really important, if we couldn't pull that off we were up the creek without a paddle.

THE OBSERVER: There is a gay rodeo circus now, I'm not sure how long it's been around but have you looked into that? Did you research it at all?

HEATH LEDGER: I don't think anything back then that we know of. I think that Annie Proulx's short story and the script that Larry (McMurtry) and Diana (Ossana) wrote were just so beautifully thorough and descriptive of the time and the characters that I had to do very little external research. In terms of how to be a cowboy or a ranch hand, I grew up in Western Australia so there's a lot of farm folk, there's something I find universal about people who spend all day and night on horseback, physically for example when they get off the horse they still look like they've got a horse between their legs (chuckles)

THE OBSERVER: You've been offered cowboy movies before, is there a difference between a cowboy movie and a Larry McMurtry cowboy movie?

HEATH LEDGER: Sure. I'm actually not a fan of the western genre. I never grew up watching cowboy and Indian films, so I'm not actually a huge fan of like John Wayne or anyone like that.

THE OBSERVER: Is there a model you based your character off of?

HEATH LEDGER: George Bush (laughs). No, it was very obvious from the screenplay just how to play it, who the characters were, I thought anyway.

THE OBSERVER: When this was originally optioned they couldn't find anybody to take the role on. Why did you?

HEATH LEDGER: It was the most kind of complex and internal character I've been offered to play and it would take a very mature performance out of me to complete this character. It was a perfect script and involves a story that hadn't been told which is hard to find in this industry and in general. I think the story of love is just getting recycled and stale and this just hadn't been put to screen. I thought I'd be crazy to turn it down.

THE OBSERVER: Was there a worry, because of the gay sex scenes and kissing, that your image couldn't take it?

HEATH LEDGER: Not really. I had to think about it, but you know it wasn't a huge problem for me. Everyone asks you know 'what was the most difficult thing for you,' or 'physically what was the hardest thing,' expecting me to say, 'oh, making out with Jake Gyllenhaal. and it's a really obvious thing to say, but at the end of the day after the first take (pause, makes kissing motion) it was like, ok let's get on with the day. Let's get through it. And all the mystery had been taken away. It really wasn't such a big deal. And yeah, he's a good kisser.

THE OBSERVER: It's interesting you have two movies out at the same time, 'Brokeback' and 'Cassanova', that deal with different aspects of sexuality. It's an important subject to examine. Did it give you any insights?

HEATH LEDGER: Nothing really, I'm very expressive and have investigated love and you know, love is love. It's never been a problem. I could have taught Ennis a thing or two, but I couldn't. I was never shocked by the idea that men could fall in love with each other. I always knew and respected that.

THE OBSERVER: Ennis comes from a tragic place and his love with Jack was really challenged by the time they were in. Would Ennis have still ended up alone today because of the guy that he is?

HEATH LEDGER: Yeah, perhaps. I think one way or another, he's very self destructive and complex within and he just doesn't understand. I think maybe he would manifest the loneliness within.

I always thought that the struggle against his genetics, you know his dad and the generations before him and their fears, I think that had a lot to do with him. And it ultimately defeats him.

THE OBSERVER: Would the love between Jack and Ennis been as strong if they were able to live together and be with each other on a day to day basis?

HEATH LEDGER: I think for Ennis the fact that it was forbidden did not make it more exciting for him. I think the story for me was this incredibly masculine figure who had this innate love for a soul in another man.

I think the society they're in, the restrictions that surround them, their inability to break free from society's requirements of them, people's opinion on a grand scale.

THE OBSERVER: What's next for you?

HEATH LEDGER: Nothing really, just raising my daughter and that's enough work and has been most enjoyable.


 http://media.www.fordhamobserver.com/media/storage/paper827/news/2006/02/02/ArtsCulture/More-Than.Just.the.Gay.Cowboy.Movie.Heath.Ledger.Discusses.brokeback.Mountain-1595399.shtml
 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CellarDweller115 on September 19, 2007, 09:13:41 AM
great additions to this thread, everyone!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Queen_Beruthiel on September 19, 2007, 01:42:12 PM
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Daniel Day Lewis in My Left Foot,
Phillip Seymour Hoffman in Capote and
Gary Oldman in Sid & Nancy.

I'll agree with two of those, but am I the only one who thinks that Hoffman's Capote is all empty technique? 




Nitpick: Ang Lee is not from Hong Kong.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on September 19, 2007, 02:49:52 PM
Thank you very much Roco for your posts of the all his interviews. :) :)

But... I would be grateful if you could possibly also add which publications (US?UK?AU?) those interviews are from please?

The interview by Clint Morris's one was a bit susupicious in terms of the accuracy by mentioning 'Acclaimed Hong Kong director Ang Lee ' as QB posted.

Nitpick: Ang Lee is not from Hong Kong.

Off course, he is from Taiwan!!
This simple mistake in the article makes me just think whether this is  from a gossip magazine or some sort??? and also the copyrights could belong to the publishers rather than a journalist......
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on September 19, 2007, 06:54:10 PM
(http://img.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/helllena__oPt.jpg)

His divorce papers from Michelle Williams aren’t even signed yet and Heath Ledger’s already got a new lady friend.

The Austrlian actor has been going out on dates with and making out in public with former supermodel Helena Christensen, who was most recently linked with Josh Hartnett.

Hungry like a cougar!

 :(

Someone should tell Perez Heath and Michelle were never married!  Helena is almost 40,  I wouldn't exactly call that old.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 19, 2007, 06:55:19 PM
Heath doesn't hate comic book movies, after all.

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=90305
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 19, 2007, 07:54:53 PM
Excerpt from Heath's interview in The Guardian  by Howard Feinstein


Did you see her, Judy Garland on TV?" he asks. "There was a scene on stage where she's in clown makeup singing Somewhere Over the Rainbow in a tight shot. That is one of the most beautiful shots I've ever seen." It is with such sensitivity that he tackles his brutal and tender sex scenes with Jake Gyllenhaal, who plays his cowboy lover Jack Twist.

"It was certainly a surreal moment the first time I had to kiss Jake," Ledger says, chortling. "But once that was done, I quickly realised that it didn't make me want to run out and do it again. And you think, OK, what's the next shot? Those scenes were just a small part of the package."


http://film.guardian.co.uk/interview/interviewpages/0,,1680100,00.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 19, 2007, 08:18:05 PM
Heath's Ned Kelly interview for CinemasOnline.

Q: Do you get recognised walking down the street a lot?

LEDGER: I'm very happy no one recognises me. And if someone does come up and talk to me or follows me, I just tell the person to get lost. (Smiles) When it comes to the paparazzi, the real problem is that most of the time you don't even know they're there, and that's really strange and invasive. So I just try to find the humour in it.



http://uk.hollywood.com/website/interview.phtml?uid=25
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 19, 2007, 08:37:40 PM
Daniel Radcliffe presents Heath with the Australian Film Institute award for 'Best International Actor' for BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=qCsTUezojSw
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on September 20, 2007, 06:23:46 AM
Heath's Ned Kelly interview for CinemasOnline.

Q: Do you get recognised walking down the street a lot?

LEDGER: I'm very happy no one recognises me. And if someone does come up and talk to me or follows me, I just tell the person to get lost. (Smiles) http://uk.hollywood.com/website/interview.phtml?uid=25

Thank you Roco.

This latest video is really nice though.

http://heathheathens.net/Venice_CanIMakePicture.htm
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on September 20, 2007, 03:02:15 PM

And what's with him asserting his heterosexuality, out of nowhere?  That's disappointing, I didn't think he was so insecure.

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"I have loved, I have loved women. I know he was quite bi-sexual, he kind of flung himself around, and so that wasn't a similarity."

Context - always look at context. It was an answer in response to the question "Can you identify with the character of Casanova in any way?" Maybe he was just pre-empting unspoken questions. I don't think he's insecure at all. Having said that, I guess the bi/gay stuff would have been tucked away in his head after Brokeback, and it's something that he might readily consider when asked such questions. Heath speaks very carefully - he chooses his words well (on the whole) and maybe he was just covering all bases.

I sound as if I'm jumping to his defence. I probably am but I don't see him as insecure at all.


Hey, you can jump to his defence anytime.  I've done many times myself. I just thought it was strange that he would bring up Casanova's bisexuality, which is not what the man is known for,  just to say that he himself isn't bisexual.   I'm sure the gay/bi thing was in his head because of BbM and it makes sense that he was pre-empting unspoken questions but still, why feel the need to pre-empt them? 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oceansbetween on September 20, 2007, 11:07:21 PM
Heath Ledger
On Top: In "Brokeback Mountain"
by Tim Nasson, Wild About Movies publisher
http://www.wildaboutmovies.com/interviews/HeathLedgerInterviewBrokebackMountain.php (http://www.wildaboutmovies.com/interviews/HeathLedgerInterviewBrokebackMountain.php)
December 9, 2005

New York City – Heath Ledger, one of the world's sexiest men (People magazine) and most 'Google'd' celebrities, is on top of his game in more ways than one. But more about that in a minute.

On a recent chilly, snowy, Sunday morning, I had a chance to sit with Ledger in a suite at one of midtown Manhattan’s finest hotels.

Ledger, twenty-six, who with current girlfriend, (and mother of their first child, Matilda, born October 28th, 2005), and “Brokeback Mountain” co-star, Michelle Williams, keep a place in Brooklyn, NY, arrived late to our interview, what with all of the seasonal traffic in festive NYC.

“Sorry I am late,” apologizes Ledger, who looks the father of a newborn, and host of a houseful of out-of-town guests – all the way from Australia, his childhood and teenage stomping grounds. “My mother and sister are in town visiting and it’s just nuts. And the f---ing traffic.” As if on queue, Ledger’s assistant, who is lurking in the background delivers up a steaming cup of coffee, which after sipping, seems to immediately put some oomph into Ledger’s demeanor.

2005 may just turn out to be Heath Ledger’s most successful year. This year’s Venice Film Festival showcased Ledger’s three latest films, “The Brother’s Grimm,” “Casanova,” (opening Christmas Day), and “Brokeback Mountain,” which won the fest’s Best Picture award and is destined to land on the top of many critics’ Top 10 lists. Some even go so far as to predict that the film will not only earn a Best Picture nomination at the next Academy Awards (March 2006) but that Ledger himself, even, will garner a Best Actor nomination.

Having seen every Heath Ledger movie, including “Brokeback Mountain,” and “Casanova,” it can be said with about as much degree of certainty as there is that Ledger will not be getting any kind of acting nomination for “Casanova.” The film, Lasse Hallstrom’s lastest, (director of “The Cider House Rules,” “Chocolat” and “My Life As A Dog”), ia a spectacular farce yet, many wonder if Ledger chose the film – opening in most cities the same day as “Brokeback Mountain” - about a man, in Victorian era England, who sleeps with thousands of women - as the antidote to “Brokeback Mountain,” a film in which he ‘tops’ (polite, gay slang for ‘f---s’), Jake Gyllenhall’s character.

“That’s so f---ing ridiculous,” Ledger says, when I ask him about the rumors going around Hollywood and the gay community.

“You want to know the truth? The short story, [“Brokeback Mountain”) was published in 1997. It was optioned to become a movie in 1998. My first American movie was ’10 Things I Hate About You’ in 1999. There were so many actors during the past seven years who have been attached to ‘Brokeback Mountain,’ yet who have been convinced by their managers, agents, publicists, or all three combined, not to do it, because it would ruin their career. I was approached to make the movie, maybe because I was the last on the list, in early 2004 and didn’t think twice about it. The same can be said about Jake (Gyllenhaal). Neither of us needed to have ‘permission’ from our agents to make this movie. It was our decision alone. To be honest, nobody advised me to not do the movie. Fear is manufactured by the studios putting up money. Focus (the studio releasing “Brokeback Mountain) has had a track record with quality hard-to-market films, including ‘Far From Heaven,’ which also just happened to be a film with gay undertones.

“The reason I chose to play Ennis in ‘Brokeback’ was, I thought it was about time I take on a mature role."

Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhal both age twenty years in “Brokeback Mountain."

They meet on “Brokeback Mountain” during the summer of ’63. Both are nineteen years old. The story, before it ends, progresses twenty years. While the movie is not gay, per se, it tells the story of Ennis (Ledger) and Jack (Gyllenhaal), sheep herders, who meet on assignment, fall in love, but because of the year, the time period, and the area in which they reside, cannot truly express their love and devotion for each other, more than one or two times a year, in the woods or in a shady motel. Both marry, have kids and carry on with their lives, but very unhappily and depressed, because they cannot be in a committed relationship with each other.

“Making ‘Brokeback’ wasn’t difficult, at all. I started riding horses when I was a kid in Australia, so the horse riding in the movie was nothing. Actually, I rode horses in ‘Four Feathers,’ too, come to think of it.

“The challenge wasn’t the gay aspect of the movie. In fact, in this year, 2005, I can’t understand why anyone, agent, manager, publicist, would even question any actor taking any gay role. But, back to the challenge of the movie. I age twenty years. That was a huge challenge. As was getting the accent of my character just right, since, as he gets older, his voice gets deeper."

O.K. Hold on a minute. We all know Heath Ledger has one of the most masculine, deepest voices of any in movies today.

“Well, I meant, I had to get the accent right in the mid-western sense,” says a blushing Ledger. “And go from a twenty year old to forty year old sounding voice in a mid-western, American accent."

While we were on the subject of challenges, I had to ask Ledger which movie, “Casanova” or “Brokeback,” had the most difficult sex scene. The initial sex scene between Ledger and Gyllenhaal, in “Brokeback Mountain,” may be considered by many, the film’s most graphic. (Although there is no nudity in the sex scene.) Yet, the most graphic sex scene in “Casanova” takes place with Ledger sitting at a table, surrounded by dozens of other people at a royal ball, getting a blow job by one of his most ardent suitors.

“Honestly,” says Ledger, who instantaneously becomes animated, “that blow job scene was the most difficult. There was no girl under the table. I had to pretend and the scene went on for literally two minutes. I had my best friend (a guy) under the table trying to help make the scene look natural. He was grabbing my legs, sliding me off the chair, to make it look all the more real."

And there you have it.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on September 21, 2007, 10:09:20 AM
Thank you oceans! ;)

It's so nice to be able to read many of Heath's interviews here. This thread is getting like an archive! Great!  :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on September 21, 2007, 10:28:02 AM
"LEDGER: I'm very happy no one recognises me. And if someone does come up and talk to me or follows me, I just tell the person to get lost. (Smiles) "

Wow, if i ever saw him  in the public i certainly won't approach him. Don't want him to tell me to get lost. :P

Thanks for posting all the interesting interviews with him!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Queen_Beruthiel on September 21, 2007, 02:10:07 PM
Seen this?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1054606/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1054606/)



Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Rosewood on September 21, 2007, 02:38:43 PM
Seen this?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1054606/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1054606/)

I wonder if this is based on PARNASSUS ON WHEELS by Christopher Morley?
One of my all time favorite books.
Along with Morley's THE HAUNTED BOOKSHOP, by the way.




Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 21, 2007, 03:53:13 PM
Quote
Heath Ledger
On Top: In "Brokeback Mountain"
by Tim Nasson, Wild About Movies publisher

 “Casanova.” The film, Lasse Hallstrom’s lastest, (director of “The Cider House Rules,” “Chocolat” and “My Life As A Dog”), ia a spectacular farce yet, many wonder if Ledger chose the filmas “Brokeback Mountain” - about a man, in Victorian era England, who sleeps with thousands of women

I believe the movie Casanova took place in Venice, Italy.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 21, 2007, 04:06:36 PM
 
Interview: Heath Ledger
"Brokeback Mountain"By Garth FranklinWednesday, December 7th 2005 3:34PM


Question: In looking back at the ranch-handlers you grew up with, do you think any of them might have been gay?

Heath Ledger: No, but I have a very good friend of mine, who's actually an uncle of mine. I didn't base this character off him, but he's gay. He's always struggled with his sexuality. He's like 60 now but back when he was younger, his dad kicked him of the Perth and said to him, "Go to the hospital and get fixed or you're not coming back to the family." My uncle said, "I can't get fixed" and his dad said to don't come back and he left and hasn't been back since then, but he's also the most masculine person I know. He's the head of arm wrestling federation and he goes to cage fighting. So that was definitely a good example of the level of masculinity, the range of masculinity; there relationships that occur with him. It's purely masculine and it was important for Ennis to be that.

Full interview can be found at:

http://www.darkhorizons.com/news05/brokeback1.php
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 21, 2007, 06:14:53 PM

HEATH LEDGER on The Brothers Grimm
   
By Scott Orlin
 


In the film, Matt plays your brother, a very close bond. In your own life, you have sisters but no brothers. Having to portray such a close brotherly affection during the film, was it easy to access the same emotions you had with your siblings or did you and Matt have to create something new?

LEDGER: We didn't have any scheduled 9 till 11 bonding class (laugh). I did grow up with sisters but I did have a group of guy friends since I was 3 that I still have so I did have that brotherhood. Matt does have brothers and so he was very good at sharing with me the stories of his own brothers. But I think our bonding just happened organically. We had a lot of time prior to shooting as we collaborated and it just naturally happened.

____________________________________________

The full interview can be found here:

http://www.close-upfilm.com/features/Interviews/heathledger.htm
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ruby on September 22, 2007, 02:16:17 AM
Quote
Heath Ledger
On Top: In "Brokeback Mountain"
by Tim Nasson, Wild About Movies publisher

 “Casanova.” The film, Lasse Hallstrom’s lastest, (director of “The Cider House Rules,” “Chocolat” and “My Life As A Dog”), ia a spectacular farce yet, many wonder if Ledger chose the filmas “Brokeback Mountain” - about a man, in Victorian era England, who sleeps with thousands of women

I believe the movie Casanova took place in Venice, Italy.

Yes, and a couple of centuries earlier!  :D 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oceansbetween on September 27, 2007, 06:08:20 AM
Here are some old interviews I found in my Favorites list.
Heath Ledger speaks about The Order
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vPIbY8taDs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vPIbY8taDs)

Heath Ledger on Ellen, early 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkOpJsdjrEU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkOpJsdjrEU)

Heath Ledger interview with Diane Sawyer, early 2006
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsHvjNoRMpM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsHvjNoRMpM)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on September 28, 2007, 03:38:03 AM
Seen this?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1054606/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1054606/)
Wow! The last time I heard about this film project, they're still looking for some funding source.....
http://www.filmick.co.uk/2007/06/imaginarium-of-tom-waits-with-heath.html

But it's now already in preproduction status in mid-September!? Great news as  a Heath's new role with Terry Gilliam (photo) after the Joker in TDK!!!
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/silver7red/heathterry1.jpg)

I like Heath costars with Tom Waits (cool!) and also with Verne Troyer  (Mini-me !?!! from Austin Powers!? and also I remember him...)

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/silver7red/bubbleboy6.jpg)

in Bubble Boy.
This film project sounds so fun!
Heath is going ahead to act more comic role next!! yey!
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on September 28, 2007, 08:29:27 PM
Helena 'not dating' Heath

Helena Christensen has denied rumours that she is dating Hollywood heart throb Heath Ledger.
 
 
The pair were spotted having dinner together in New York earlier this month, with reports claiming they had been holding hands.

But 38-year-old Helena told People: "It is so annoying. I can't even tell you. The funny thing is that they write, 'just out of a relationship with Josh [Hartnett] and now with Heath [Ledger]'."

She added: "Josh is one of my dearest friends... And in several different tabloids they wrote that we were biting each other's faces off or something like that."

It's not the first time Helena, who has a seven-year-old son Mingus with her former model partner Norman Reedus, has been rumoured to be dating a Hollywood hunk.

The model and fashion photographer was linked to Romeo And Juliet star Leonardo DiCaprio and reportedly once lived with former INXS front man Michael Hutchence.

http://entertainment.uk.msn.com/news/article.aspx?cp-documentid=6251251
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tammy on September 29, 2007, 12:36:21 AM
Mingus?

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: WintersGrass on September 29, 2007, 12:47:09 AM
Mingus?


Reminds me of fungus! :D :-X
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on September 29, 2007, 09:43:38 PM
Reminds me of minge. Put the two together and visions of thrush dance through my head. I'm sure she meant well and was thinking of Charlie Mingus but .......
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pjgale on October 01, 2007, 05:04:37 PM
Hi everyone. First post here and I'm just commenting on a few earlier posts.
My mum did meet HL out and about here in Australia. She thought he looked familiar but said he was so nice, she just enjoyed their conversation.
It was only after she left, that she realised who he was.
He held a door open for her, called her Mam, asked her how her day was going, asked about her family and what plans she had for the day. I think he asked if she was busy. I'm sure he wasn't asking her out, just making conversation!!
Mum rang me and said that she had a nice talk to the good looking young man my sisters and I like.

About the favourite film roles post. I think he's made some bad films. I liked 10 Things, The Patriot and BBM but walked out on A Knight's Tale, Two Hands and Casanova. I do, however, like him and feel that only with BBM, really started achieving his true potential. I think he's a wonderful actor and think the best is yet to come.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CellarDweller115 on October 02, 2007, 05:03:31 AM
pjgale, welcome to DCF, and to the "Serious About Heath" thread!

Hope to see more of your posts here soon!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on October 02, 2007, 07:09:09 AM
I'm Not There Showing At Two Upcoming Festivals
Directed by
Todd Haynes
USA / 2007 / 135 minutes


I'm Not There will show at the NY Film Festival and the Woodstock Film Festival. Dates & Times Below:

NEW YORK FILM FESTIVAL
(September 28 - October 14, 2007)
Screening Times:
Thursday, October 4th, 2007
I'm Not There Screening
8:30pm
Rose Hall (Frederick P. Rose Hall)
.
Saturday, October 6th, 2007
I'm Not There Screening
10:00 am
Rose Hall (Frederick P. Rose Hall)
.
Saturday, October 6th, 2007
HBO Director's Dialog with Todd Haynes
4:00 pm
Kaplan Penthouse

WOODSTOCK FILM FESTIVAL
Screening Times and Venues:
October 14, 2007
6:00PM
Tinker Street Cinema
SOLD OUT
.
October 14, 2007
9:00PM
Tinker Street Cinema
SOLD OUT
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on October 02, 2007, 07:32:35 AM
The official I'M NOT THERE website

http://www.imnotthere-movie.com/
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on October 02, 2007, 07:37:42 AM
Hi everyone. First post here and I'm just commenting on a few earlier posts.
My mum did meet HL out and about here in Australia. She thought he looked familiar but said he was so nice, she just enjoyed their conversation.
It was only after she left, that she realised who he was.
He held a door open for her, called her Mam, asked her how her day was going, asked about her family and what plans she had for the day. I think he asked if she was busy. I'm sure he wasn't asking her out, just making conversation!!
Mum rang me and said that she had a nice talk to the good looking young man my sisters and I like.

About the favourite film roles post. I think he's made some bad films. I liked 10 Things, The Patriot and BBM but walked out on A Knight's Tale, Two Hands and Casanova. I do, however, like him and feel that only with BBM, really started achieving his true potential. I think he's a wonderful actor and think the best is yet to come.

Hey, pjgale, we've met, haven't we. I think you responded to one of my fanfics, the doppy bit of fantasy, I think it was. Welcome! And how old's your Mum? Would Heath hold the door open for me, I wonder? Lovely story. See you on Planet Heath??
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on October 06, 2007, 08:28:40 PM
October 3, 2007
Nick Drake Homage To Premiere At Film Festival


The Mods and Rockers film festival celebrates the shadowy life and time of Nick Drake this Friday (Oct. 5th) at the Egyptian Theatre in Los Angeles, CA.

Nick Drake was enigmatic, self-taught, English singer-songwriter who failed to gain mainstream success in life and died tragicly at 26. Posthumous, his star has grown from the time of his death in 1974 of an antidepressant overdose in his parents home.

The American Cinemateque is presenting ‘A Place To Be—A Celebration of Nick Drake’. It includes the Los Angeles premiere of ‘A Skin Too Few’, a documentary about the singer’s life with contributions from Drake’s sister, Gabrielle, as well as his string arranger and friend Robert Kirby, and Paul Weller.

The salute to the singer/song-writer will also include the world premiere of short film homages to the singer titled ‘Their Place: Reflections On Nick Drake’, created by fans including actor Heath Ledger, Jonas Mekas, and Tim Pope.

Egyptian Theatre
6712 Hollywood Blvd., Hollywood
Friday, October 5th 8 p.m.
Box office: 323-466-3456
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on October 07, 2007, 05:07:02 AM
How interesting! I wonder if we'll get to see them. Nice to see he's working when we aren't aware of it.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oceansbetween on October 07, 2007, 10:48:13 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2003/09/19/heath_ledger_ned_kelly_interview.shtml (http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2003/09/19/heath_ledger_ned_kelly_interview.shtml)
“Heath Ledger”
Written by David Michael
September 25, 2003

Quote
--You’re quite selective when choosing roles. Do you feel saying no to things, and being patient, got you further quicker?

Definitely. You know, I’m not in a hurry, and everybody else in Hollywood - particularly agents and managers - they’re all in a hurry. They want you to snap up anything because they don’t think you’re going to be around tomorrow unless you keep working. It’s also understanding that it’s what you say yes to that does more damage to you, than what you say no to. Obviously no one’s going to see the stuff you turn down, so I was aware of that. You’ve got to be careful; you’ve got to map out your career and stay true to that. Had I listened to my agent, I’d be running around in tights, climbing buildings and stuff.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ruby on October 07, 2007, 11:04:48 AM
Quote
Had I listened to my agent, I’d be running around in tights, climbing buildings and stuff.

 :D  :D  but not running across a roof in a frilly shirt and breeches, oh no.  ::)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on October 08, 2007, 07:58:07 AM

 
Who Will Be Kissing Heath in Dr. Parnassus???
by Phyllis, HH Admin
7 October 2007
Various Sources

The Dreams Fanzine has confirmed that Terry Gilliam is in pre-production on The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus and according to FilmIck and IMDb, further casting has been announced.

Nineteen year old super-model/new actress Lily Cole has been "attached" to play the love interest of Heath Ledger's mysterious romantic-lead, Martin. According to FilmIck, Cole is being "shopped around as part of the 'package', with Gilliam, the script, Ledger and Waits".

Whether Cole's attachment merely being used to help attract funding, is unsure. However, back on September 7th, Gilliam is quoted as saying, “this week is the critical week. By the end of the week, I think I'll know whether we have the financing for [Parnassus]”. Since the film is currently "heavily into pre-production", HH assumes that the financing has been secured.

In other casting news, FilmIck also floats a rumor of Hugh Grant's involvement, but the rumor has not been verified.

- - - - - - - - - -

Sources:
FilmIck
Dreams: The Terry Gilliam Fanzine
IMDb

Lily Cole on the Web:
Lily Cole on Wikipedia
Lilly-Cole.org
Porcelain Beauty
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on October 08, 2007, 10:28:19 AM
Thanks for the info. Roco!
(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/silver7red/Lilycole1.jpg)
So this is the lucky lady Lily Cole then...I recognized her face straight away as a model.... >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tammy on October 11, 2007, 01:27:34 AM
Nick Drake is one of my favorite artists, ever.  Wonderful, wonderful music and such a tragic life story.  It warms my heart to think of Heath paying tribute to him.

I'm originally from a town very close to Woodstock and am ticked off that I'm not home for the festival - I would be there in a heartbeat.   :(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CellarDweller115 on October 11, 2007, 05:10:11 AM
Hello Tammy!

Saw your comments on "Planet" on how much you liked "Candy"....great to know...and I agree, I don't know why it didn't get more attention.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tammy on October 11, 2007, 05:49:19 AM
I was blown away by how good it was.  I wasn't expecting much.  Quite the opposite of what happened with Zodiac where I went in excited and left disappointed.  This film I just wasn't sure about and I wound up glued to the screen until almost 2 am.  Very powerful, well-crafted film.  And the acting goes without saying...
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: beruthiel on October 11, 2007, 07:55:41 AM
I was disappointed that Candy didn't get more attention. It only lasted five days at the Angelika, so I was lucky I caught it. Heath and Abbie were both so good.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on October 15, 2007, 07:38:08 AM
It didn't get much publicity that I could see; and it is one of those dark little films that does not attract audiences trying to escape day to day stuff. It's unfortunate, because it is a beautiful love story-and the message is clear.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CellarDweller115 on October 15, 2007, 11:33:59 AM
Yes, that's true, CSI.

I have talked to people who did see it, and said it is a well done movie, and that Heath was great in it.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on October 20, 2007, 05:33:16 PM
A cute piece of OLD NEWS

Heath Ledger… jumped in to save the day when co-star Maggie Gyllenhaal’s clothes caught fire on the set of the Batman sequel, “The Dark Knight!” The scary accident occurred during a scene where The Joker confronts Maggie’s dishy district attorney character - and a pyrotechnics display suddenly explodes behind him, sending fireworks rocketing high into the air. Instead, the special effects generator toppled over - and balls of flame jetted at Maggie, who screamed as sparks set her skirt ablaze!

Quicker than you can say: “Holy fireworks, Batmant,” Heath threw himself on top of Maggie and pushed her down, smothering the flames with his body. Crewmembers raced to the rescue, but Heath was already helping shaken Maggie up, checking her charred skirt for stray sparks. “I’m fine,” she reassured everyone - then thanked Heath with a peck on the cheek. Snarked the macho star: “I got a better kiss from your brother!”


http://www.celebitchy.com/5388/heath_ledger_saved_maggie_gyllenhaal_when_her_outfit_caught_fire_on_set//
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Oregondoggie on October 22, 2007, 02:13:34 AM
Finally rented Monster's Ball and Candy.  Watched both tonight.  Am a wreck.  Could see Ennis as the prison guard in Monster's ball.  In Candy, Heath, creates a whole new persona, Dan, the poet-addict.  Ledger is poignantly awesome.  Brilliant in a sodden tale.

Conclusion: Jake Gyllenhaal maybe the great star of this new generation (and I love him to death), but Heath Ledger is the great actor.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on October 22, 2007, 04:52:13 AM
I couldn't watch them both on the same night. Monsters Ball (at least the start of it) is sp hard. The last scene with Sonny left me shocked. Not just what happens but the pain of the poor kid.

Without a doubt, Heath is a great actor, with so much ahead of him. And he is brilliant at becoming entirely different characters from film to film, although I agree that Ennis had echoes of Sonny.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on October 28, 2007, 03:37:13 PM
Michelle Williams joins "Mammoth" family drama By Stuart Kemp
Fri Oct 26, 6:42 PM ET
 

LONDON (Hollywood Reporter) - Michelle Williams will star alongside Gael Garcia Bernal in Swedish director Lukas Moodysson's first English-language movie, "Mammoth," the film's producer said Friday.


The story revolves around a successful New York couple played by Williams ("Brokeback Mountain") and Garcia Bernal ("Babel"), their daughter and their Filipino nanny whose lives take a dramatic turn after the father goes on a business trip to the Philippines.

Moodysson's project is scheduled to shoot on location in Thailand, the Philippines, Sweden and New York, beginning November 5. It is being produced by Moodysson's longtime producer partner Lars Jonsson of Memfis Film.

A regular on the international big-name festival circuit, Moodysson's previous films include "F---ing Amal," "Together" and "Lilya 4-ever."

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tammy on October 28, 2007, 03:39:49 PM
Swedish director Moodyson - very good.
Gael Garci Bernal - exceptionally good.
Michelle Williams - wonderful.

Now where do I need to go to take a peek at what's happening on-set?  If they're going to be within a one hour radius of me, I might think about checking things out!

Thanks for the info Roco!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: afhickman on October 30, 2007, 05:21:03 AM
I made it to the Q & A re "I'm Not There" in London last night with Todd Haynes and I agree with just about everything Heath4Oscar has to say, especially as regards the length of the film.  Imagine! Haynes had originally envisioned a seventh incarnation of Dylan, as a sort of Charlie Chaplin!  I kept waiting for that famous exchange with the press, when someone asks him what it's like being the voice of his generation, and he says, "I've always thought of myself as a song and dance man," or some such thing.  It never came.  Cate Blanchett is bound to get an Oscar nomination for her role (Oscar loves that sort of thing).  Again, Haynes said something to the effect that Dylan was so androgynous in the '60s that he immediately thought of an actress in the role.  Now there's a news flash: pop stars in the '60s were often seen as androgynous!  What he didn't mention is that Dylan's lyric imagery in the same period is often read as androgynous ("just like a woman," "Gypsy Davy with a blowtorch," etc).  I thought Heath was more than adequate in a role that was ambiguous from the start: he might just as easily have been channeling Steve McQueen or Al Pacino as Bob Dylan.  What was that about a bathtub?  I'm sure I can't say.  The movie says a great deal more about celebrity than about Dylan, but, oh! the music!  It could make a believer (or more obviously, five believers) out of anyone.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Heath4Ever on October 30, 2007, 06:19:02 AM
I know there is a general policy on not cross-posting on this site, but I was directed here by a moderator, so here goes.

Indeed, I am more than happy to get serious about Heath!

Heath 4 Oscar


******


Dear fellow Heathens

I went and saw "I'm Not There" last evening.  A very interesting film.  Don't worry, I won't spoil the story - it is such a potpourri of a movie that that would be impossible.  Biopic, MTV clip, fantasy, reality, it's all in there.

My main criticisms are that there is not enough Heath in the movie (never enough, never enough) and it is WAY too long.  About two and a half hours, folks!

Early in the film, Heath does a fleeting bit of full frontal nudity (I mention this purely for artistic reasons, you understand), the only actor to do so.  But don't blink, it's VERY fleeting!  He is emerging from a bath.  There is also a very erotic lingering shot of him later lying on a sofa with his shirt off.  Thank you, Mr Camera Man for staying on the shot for so long.....

The whole Dylan thing works very well, especially the daring casting of Cate Blanchette as the man himself.  In my opinion, the Richard Gere thing (he plays cowboy Bob Dylan) does not work so well.

The two best performances in the film are the two Aussies, Cate and Heath.  There is already a lot of Oscar hype for Cate.

I believe it opens nationwide in the UK mid December.  Can't imagine it will have mass appeal as it is VERY avantgarde and experimental.  It's great that actors of this calibre (Christian Bale and Ben Wishaw also star) are prepared to act in such ground-breaking movies.

Definitely worth a look!

Heath 4 Oscar
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on October 30, 2007, 08:11:15 AM
Thanks H4O, we appreciate yer sharin ways.  :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Heath4Ever on October 30, 2007, 09:07:18 AM

Y'all are welcome!

H40
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Heath4Ever on November 01, 2007, 02:52:52 AM
Just as an obsessive observation, I thought I would mention that I thought Heath sounded a lot like Mel Gibson in "I'm Not There".

I can't work out if it's the consequence of mixing Australian and American accents or what.

I've always thought that Heath is brilliant at accents, so perhaps it is just a certain nasal quality which comes through with Australian actors (and as such is not exactly an 'accent' per se) while doing an American accent.

Any theories on this one?  Or is Heath Mel's long-lost love child?

Like I say, it's just an obsessive little observation.....

Heath 4 Oscar

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: afhickman on November 01, 2007, 04:10:40 AM
I did find his accent odd.  But, as to his character in the film, his story seemed to be made up of bits and pieces from other stars' films and scandals.  I'm thinking particularly of Steve McQueen and Jack Nicholson here.  Were there any British stars in that period with a reputation for being heels? 

Had he wanted to do a strict American accent, we all know he's capable of it. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Heath4Ever on November 01, 2007, 05:58:07 AM
I agree with you, afhickman.  Whereas it was Sensitive Heath in "Candy", in "I'm Not There" it is definitely Butch Heath.

Yes, shades of Steve McQueen and Jack Nicholson.  With a dash of Charles Bronson and a young Marlon Brando thrown in for good measure too, I reckon.

I'm not saying it doesn't work.  In fact, Heath's performance intrigued me.  Certainly worked well in the context of the misogynistic character he was portraying.

For those who have yet to see the movie, Heath plays an aspect of Bob Dylan's life rather than the man himself.  Heath does not attempt to be Bob (unlike Cate Blanchette and Christian Bale) - he simply plays a macho character.  Presumably this is to reflect the painful breakdown of Dylan's marriage.

Life imitating art?  Ouch.

Heath 4 Oscar

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on November 01, 2007, 06:59:53 AM
I'm enjoying this chat about the film. More please.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Heath4Ever on November 02, 2007, 03:25:10 AM
OK, I'll have to give this some thought.  Must be some pearls of wisdom I can dredge up.....

In the meantime, one more obsessive observation about Heath in "I'm Not There" - some of his shirts are decidedly Brokeback!

But, come to think about it, some of Jake's shirts in "Rendition" were very Brokeback too.  And in "Zodiac".  Blimey, only just realised that!

Have Ennis and Jack started a fashion trend?

H4O



Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on November 02, 2007, 03:41:03 AM
I think everything is Brokeback to us brokies these days.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 02, 2007, 07:23:33 PM

Have Ennis and Jack started a fashion trend?


I guess you haven't been to the mall in the last couple of years have you? ;-)
Most men's casual clothing shops have been filled with plaid western style shirts This is especially true with the Guess label.  And I'm sure that BbM was the inspiration.  My closet is full of them from receiving them as gifts because everyone knows I'm a terminal Brokie.


Does anyone have the I'm not There soundtrack?  I just ordered it from Amazon and I can't wait. My CD stores still didn't have it and knew nothing about it.  (EDIT:  I cancelled my Amazon order because I just found a copy and I'm listening to it now, so far it's pretty good.  Dark Eyes by Iron & Wine is amazing!) 

Also there is an I'm Not There concert in New York Nov 8th with several of the CD's performers and Heath and Todd Haynes are listed as special guests.  You can go to the INT website for more info.

My apologies if this has been brought up already, I didn't check the whole thread.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 03, 2007, 07:31:24 PM
Ledger, Penn take part in Malick's 'Life'
30 October 2007 (The Hollywood Reporter)


Heath Ledger and Sean Penn are in talks to star in Tree of Life, with River Road Entertainment finally bringing writer-director Terrence Malick's long-gestating drama to life.

Ledger would take the lead opposite an actress to be determined, with Penn in a supporting role.

Malick also is in talks, with principal photography set to begin in March.

River Road founder Bill Pohlad will produce with Sarah Green, Malick's producer on his last feature The New World.

The film's plot has been closely guarded, but is described by an insider as a complex drama.

New World lead Colin Farrell was in talks to star in the feature two years ago, with about a third of the shoot set for India, but the star and location are no longer part of the project.

If anyone has the muscle to bring Life to the screen, it's River Road.

The company produced Focus Features' highest-grossing film Brokeback Mountain starring Ledger, and Penn's recent directorial effort for Paramount Vantage, Into the Wild.

Other projects the outfit has partly or totally produced and financed include Focus' Lust, Caution and the recent Roadside Attractions pickup Chicago 10.

Penn has been a longtime Malick supporter and friend, starring in his war drama The Thin Red Line. Ledger appears in I'm Not There and next summer's Batman feature The Dark Knight.

Ledger, Penn and Malick are repped by CAA.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on November 03, 2007, 07:41:08 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/movies/moviesspecial/04lyal.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=moviesspecial

Just in case anyone missed the link elsewhere. An excellent interview with Heath.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on November 03, 2007, 09:13:59 PM
Ledger, Penn take part in Malick's 'Life'
30 October 2007 (The Hollywood Reporter)


Heath Ledger and Sean Penn are in talks to star in Tree of Life, with River Road Entertainment finally bringing writer-director Terrence Malick's long-gestating drama to life.

Ledger would take the lead opposite an actress to be determined, with Penn in a supporting role.

Malick also is in talks, with principal photography set to begin in March.

River Road founder Bill Pohlad will produce with Sarah Green, Malick's producer on his last feature The New World.

The film's plot has been closely guarded, but is described by an insider as a complex drama.

New World lead Colin Farrell was in talks to star in the feature two years ago, with about a third of the shoot set for India, but the star and location are no longer part of the project.

If anyone has the muscle to bring Life to the screen, it's River Road.

The company produced Focus Features' highest-grossing film Brokeback Mountain starring Ledger, and Penn's recent directorial effort for Paramount Vantage, Into the Wild.

Other projects the outfit has partly or totally produced and financed include Focus' Lust, Caution and the recent Roadside Attractions pickup Chicago 10.

Penn has been a longtime Malick supporter and friend, starring in his war drama The Thin Red Line. Ledger appears in I'm Not There and next summer's Batman feature The Dark Knight.

Ledger, Penn and Malick are repped by CAA.

ah, this is so satisfying...Sean Penn was an obsession of mine many, many years ago; the idea of both in the same movie is going to make smoke come out of my ears, right there in the theater, I'm tellin ya.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: bmca on November 03, 2007, 09:35:06 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/movies/moviesspecial/04lyal.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=moviesspecial

Just in case anyone missed the link elsewhere. An excellent interview with Heath.

It's hard to find a serious young actor these days. I really respect him.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 05, 2007, 07:12:29 AM
Despite their recent split, Michelle Williams, 27, and Heath Ledger, 28, put any hard feelings behind them to host a party for their daughter Matilda Rose’s second birthday October 28.

(http://celebritybabies.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/04/heathmatilda.jpg)



The actors partied in the Brooklyn brownstone the family shared before the separation in September. A party-goer claimed there was no frostiness between the former couple during day’s festivities.

Heath and Michelle got along very well. There's no bad feelings and everyone had fun.

The witness said the gaggle of children at the party received "roses with their names on them. It was very sweet."

Sources claimed Michelle and Heath plan to sell their Brooklyn home; Heath moved into his own place in SoHo, and Michelle, who felt the home was too big for herself and Matilda, plans to move to Manhattan as well.

Source: Page Six
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on November 05, 2007, 07:13:48 AM

Does Matilda continue to live with Michelle?

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on November 05, 2007, 07:17:15 AM
I get the impression She is more with Michelle than Heath but he is a very hands-on daddy and will be with his daughter as much as is humanly possible.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on November 05, 2007, 07:17:58 AM

ok, that's what I thought...

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on November 05, 2007, 07:22:41 AM
I expect that they'll also continue to co-ordinate their workloads too so she always has one of them with her. She has a nanny, of course, so such things are reasonably easy to manage. Not like being a poor single parent  :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: beruthiel on November 05, 2007, 08:18:45 AM
Sources claimed Michelle and Heath plan to sell their Brooklyn home; Heath moved into his own place in SoHo, and Michelle, who felt the home was too big for herself and Matilda, plans to move to Manhattan as well.

Darn, I was hoping she'd stay in Brooklyn.  >:( :(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: rnmina on November 06, 2007, 09:59:19 AM
sharing hope I am not double posting this review. :)

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/34691

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AICN...
London Film Festival! Alex Reports In On I’M NOT THERE!

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.

I was just talking to Mr. Beaks, who is absolutely nutty in love with this film. I missed a screening this week because of deadlines, but I’m itching to see it as soon as I get back from my much-needed vacation.

Can’t wait.

But contrary to those obsessed with Mr. Oscar et all, onscreen performances are not what the film is really about. Yes Cate Blanchett is a creepingly faultless male and yes Heath Ledger has an overriding sexual presence (this opinion coming from a straight guy!), but no one is encouraged to degenerate into their best Dylan impersonation, and screen time for each of the six guises is limited due to the very nature of the film. Each routine are usually siphoned off or swiftly swept away so as to not distract from the whole. This is surely testament to both director and actor – for too many a biopic comes preloaded and spun with such testimony regarding the onscreen performance that it can distract from the original purpose of the exercise. Put simply, no one here has jumped into bed with a biopic in order to collect accolades the following Spring. But if pressed, special mention would have to go to Marcus Carl Franklin, a young man who has command and authority beyond his tender years. While Christian Bale, Richard Gere and, borderline narrator, Ben Whishaw, complete our rostrum of on screen versions of ‘Dylan’.


 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 07, 2007, 07:49:41 AM
(http://celebritybabies.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/07/michelleandmatilda.jpg)


Despite rumors recently of a planned relocation to Manhattan, where her ex-boyfriend Heath Ledger now lives, actress Michelle Williams in a recent interview had nothing but good things to say about Brooklyn and its family-friendly atmosphere.

My neighborhood has a committee that organizes a Christmas chorus, like we used to have when I was growing up in Montana.  I never thought I'd be able to live the same way in New York. 

Despite the break-up with Heath, Michelle says that the last three years have been "incredible," and she is content to live a simple life with daughter Matilda, 2. 

I live in Brooklyn, I travel by subway, I take care of my daughter and I love reading stories.  My daughter is the center of my life.

Matilda is the only child for the estranged couple.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on November 07, 2007, 09:07:54 AM
Despite rumors recently of a planned relocation to Manhattan, where her ex-boyfriend Heath Ledger now lives, actress Michelle Williams in a recent interview had nothing but good things to say about Brooklyn and its family-friendly atmosphere.

My neighborhood has a committee that organizes a Christmas chorus, like we used to have when I was growing up in Montana.  I never thought I'd be able to live the same way in New York. 

Despite the break-up with Heath, Michelle says that the last three years have been "incredible," and she is content to live a simple life with daughter Matilda, 2. 

I live in Brooklyn, I travel by subway, I take care of my daughter and I love reading stories.  My daughter is the center of my life.

Matilda is the only child for the estranged couple.

Thanks Lola! ;)
Where is the source please?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 07, 2007, 11:12:59 AM
Good question, I think it was Celeberitybaby.com   :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: beruthiel on November 07, 2007, 11:29:07 AM
Good question, I think it was Celeberitybaby.com   :)

Thanks, Lola.  That's such cute picture.

(And it's cheaper to live in Brooklyn, too.  :D :P)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: afhickman on November 07, 2007, 12:05:43 PM
Getting back to "I'm Not There" for a moment, I just wanted to say that Charlotte Gainsbourg (who is the daughter of Serge Ganisbourg and Jane Birkin) is the only cast member to also sing on the soundtrack album.  Her version of "Just Like a Woman" with Calexco is wonderful; she puts one in mind of a young Marianne Faithfull.  Of course the acorn never falls far from the tree: she also sounds a lot like her famous mom, who, with dad, had a big hit in the '70s with "Je T'aime."  Charlotte plays Heath's girlfriend Claire in the film.  She was also in "The Science of Sleep."  Other performers on the soundtrack who score are Willie Nelson (natch), Roger McQuinn (of course), and Antony (with the Johnsons and sounding ethereal as always on "Knockin' on Heaven's Door."  The 2-CD soundtrack is a lot of fun, and it does what any good homage should do, it makes you long to hear the originals again.  One strange omission, however: "Like a Rolling Stone."  How can you do a homage to Dylan and omit "Like a Rolling Stone"?  Another personal favorite that's MIA: "Leopard-Skin Pill-Box Hat" ("You must tell me how your head feels under something like that / Your brand new leopard-skin pill-box hat.")
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: afhickman on November 07, 2007, 12:32:25 PM
An addendum to my previous post: Marcus Carl Frankin, who plays "Woody" in the film, also turns in a sweet performance on "When the Ship Comes In."
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on November 07, 2007, 05:16:16 PM
It's a pity Heath didn't get to sing The Gates Of Eden:

Of war and peace the truth just twists
Its curfew gull just glides
Upon four-legged forest clouds
The cowboy angel rides
With his candle lit into the sun
Though its glow is waxed in black
All except when 'neath the trees of Eden

So evocative of BBM. IMHO of course.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 09, 2007, 10:36:27 AM
(http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2007/features/insider/071119/michelle_williams.jpg)

 Michelle Williams, making a super-preppy showing while out for a little shopping with a female friend in her Brooklyn neighborhood.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 10, 2007, 03:26:25 PM
(http://aycu06.webshots.com/image/32805/2004204025572552001_rs.jpg)

Heath attends INT Benefit Concert
Posted: Fri 09 November 2007
PRNewswire, Spinner.com, Additional writing by Phyllis

NEW YORK, 07 November 2007 -- On Wednesday evening, 07 November 2007, Heath attended the I'm Not There Benefit Concert at New York City's Beacon Theater, where he introduced some of the musical acts.

Legendary musicians, actors and 'I'm Not There' director Todd Haynes himself gathered last night at to honor the music of Bob Dylan, and regale the enthusiastic crowd with truly unique covers of his songs. The evening offered up various interpretations of the music of Bob Dylan in a wide arrangement of different voices and styles.

While the evening's musical performances were mired by frequent sound problems and bouts of confusion on stage, the malfunctions only augmented the relaxed, almost dress-rehearsal approach to the evening that made possible the many spontaneous moments -- including Todd Haynes' speechless 'Wow' moments, and quick-witted former X frontman John Doe admitting that his wife printed out the words to 'Ballad of a Thin Man' so that he wouldn't be stuck on stage.

Cementing the "let's just chill" vibe, however, was a hoodied, unkempt gum-chewing Heath Ledger --who portrays one of six versions of Dylan in the film-- and his "friends": folk group Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros, whose singer went shirtless, in dangerously low-cut pants for the event and told his "all-time favorite joke" about a a "toe-less Mexican named Roberto."

Highlights also included an unannounced performance from pint-sized country singer Tift Merritt, who, with the help of legendary guitarist Joe Henry, performed an intensely rousing rendition of 'A Hard Rain's A-Gonna Fall,' My Morning Jacket's true-to-themselves take on 'Tonight I'll Be Staying Here With You' and the Roots' kinetic interpretation of 'Masters of War,' complete with a tuba solo, to name only a few.

Platinum V.I.P. tickets-first three rows center orchestra ran attendees $1,000 and included entrance to the after show party. Gold V.I.P. tickets-first 15 rows center orchestra-cost $575, and included entrance to the after show party. Front orchestra V.I.P. tickets were $175. Premium orchestra seats are $150, orchestra and loge seats are $100, lower balcony $80 and upper balcony $48.

The concert event was produced by Michael Dorf, Jim Dunbar and Randall Poster, and sponsored by the Weinstein Company, Wolfgang's Vault, WFUV Radio, and Search Party Music.

100% of the net proceeds have been donated to the non-profit organizations 826 National and 826 Valencia which helps teaches students ages 6 through 18 expository and creative writing skills.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ben Franklin on November 11, 2007, 01:01:29 PM
Hey, I've just read the Superherohype-discussion-thread about the interviews Heath recently gave on IESB and Latino Review and his comments on his role as The Joker. They are all raving about how "classy" and "polite" Heath is for praising Jack Nicholson's Joker performance (a clever and indeed classy response to Jack's childish "fury"), and how "awseome" he will be in Nolan's movie. People are terribly impressed that he locked himself for six weeks into a hotel room, to find a voice and a stance for his Joker and "a real psychology behind the Joker".

However, there are also some disturbing allusions to "the rumors of Ledger being a cokehead", which I have heard before. Just gossip?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on November 11, 2007, 01:38:03 PM
Hey, I've just read the Superherohype-discussion-thread about the interviews Heath recently gave on IESB and Latino Review and his comments on his role as The Joker. They are all raving about how "classy" and "polite" Heath is for praising Jack Nicholson's Joker performance (a clever and indeed classy response to Jack's childish "fury"), and how "awseome" he will be in Nolan's movie. People are terribly impressed that he locked himself for six weeks into a hotel room, to find a voice and a stance for his Joker and "a real psychology behind the Joker".

However, there are also some disturbing allusions to "the rumors of Ledger being a cokehead", which I have heard before. Just gossip?

I think Heath is taking his roles a lot more seriously lately it seems. I think he's always been a good actor, but rarely was involved in projects that really interested him (until recently) to really give his best. He showed talent in some movies before BBM, but now he, more or less, can choose his roles and do what he is really interested in and give his best. He's one of the best young actors out there imo!
As for drug using, let's not be naive, most of the celebs, actors, singers use drugs. Leo DiCaprio allegedly was  caught on the set of Blood Diamond doing coke and Brad and his ex Jen admitted consuming marihuana...! I don't say i agree with what they are doing, i'm totally against drugs, but in the end it's their life, they are grown ups and know the dangers!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on November 11, 2007, 01:39:58 PM
Hey, I've just read the Superherohype-discussion-thread about the interviews Heath recently gave on IESB and Latino Review and his comments on his role as The Joker. They are all raving about how "classy" and "polite" Heath is for praising Jack Nicholson's Joker performance (a clever and indeed classy response to Jack's childish "fury"), and how "awseome" he will be in Nolan's movie. People are terribly impressed that he locked himself for six weeks into a hotel room, to find a voice and a stance for his Joker and "a real psychology behind the Joker".

However, there are also some disturbing allusions to "the rumors of Ledger being a cokehead", which I have heard before. Just gossip?
hi, Ben....I doubt you can get any public confirmation in this forum. IMO, for our own sakes, we are probably safer ignoring illegal substance rumors, IMO. ;) :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: WintersGrass on November 11, 2007, 01:48:18 PM

As for drug using, let's not be naive, most of the celebs, actors, singers use drugs  .Leo DiCaprio allegedly was  caught on the set of Blood Diamond doing coke and Brad and his ex Jen admitted consuming marihuana etc...! I don't say i agree with what they are doing, i'm totally against drugs, but in the end it's their life, they are grown ups and know the dangers!

I just hope he knows his limits. But looking at his lifestyle, he seems to be kind of an existentialist, especially lately. It can give you enormous creative power and fascinating insights on yourself. I have some experience on that field myself and I know how hard it is to draw the line between *acceptable* using and being an addict. Having no clear structure of the day,like a 9-5 job isn't really helpful either and I think that's the two facts why celebs are so susceptible to drugs.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ben Franklin on November 11, 2007, 01:51:36 PM
for our own sakes, we are probably safer ignoring illegal substance rumors, IMO. ;) :)

Yeah, we probably are. However, I can't stop worrying about Mr. Ledger's health. (Although I cannot do anything about it either, for sure.)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on November 11, 2007, 05:10:42 PM
for our own sakes, we are probably safer ignoring illegal substance rumors, IMO. ;) :)

Yeah, we probably are. However, I can't stop worrying about Mr. Ledger's health. (Although I cannot do anything about it either, for sure.)
i'm with ya on that...I only wish him well.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on November 11, 2007, 07:37:41 PM
Whatever he chooses to do in his down time, there are two things we know about him for certain: he is a dedicated actor with a strong sense of responsibility for his performance, and he is a dedicated daddy who would never do anything which would endanger that role.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 12, 2007, 09:56:52 AM
(http://www.usmagazine.com/images/slideshows/imnotthere.jpg)

I'm Not There: Heath Ledger & Charlotte Gainsbough (Nov. 21)

It is me, babe! In this Bob Dylan biopic, Ledger, 28, plays the folk legend during his early Greenwich Village days, falling for a politically active French beauty (Gainsbough, 36). "They're beautiful together physically," director Todd Haynes tells Us. "But they also evoke something literate and optimistic."
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 12, 2007, 01:37:20 PM
Heath Ledger Discusses Delving Into Dylan For 'I'm Not There,' Channeling Sid Vicious For 'Dark Knight'

Actor says playing the Joker 'was the most fun I've had with a character and probably will ever have


http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1574035/story.jhtml
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on November 13, 2007, 09:23:12 AM
He supposedly made out with Kate Hudson. He and Jakey both seem to like blondes! ;)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310699,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310699,00.html)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 13, 2007, 09:42:08 AM
He supposedly made out with Kate Hudson. He and Jakey both seem to like blondes! ;)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310699,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310699,00.html)

Yea I saw that, mentioned it on the other Heath post, but it didn't go over very well! lol  Hey go check out Anne in "fan fair"  ;)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on November 13, 2007, 10:07:46 AM
He supposedly made out with Kate Hudson. He and Jakey both seem to like blondes! ;)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310699,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,310699,00.html)

Yea I saw that, mentioned it on the other Heath post, but it didn't go over very well! lol  Hey go check out Anne in "fan fair"  ;)

I kinda believe what the Hudson's rep. explained here;

Quote
A rep for Hudson told Page Six, "This is absolutely untrue. They ran into each other and chatted briefly, but that was the extent of it.

Heath co-starred with her in Four feathers together and maybe they're not seeing each other for a while or something but you know how they (gossip media) love make small things 'colourful' in order to get attention from readers. :(
This is a serious thread anyway so I'll better stop here. :-X
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: andy/Claude on November 13, 2007, 10:46:05 AM
yes, I agree. So loose and graceful in his odd way.

And how could I forget Monster's Ball!! Chuck, you must watch it, although most of it is forgettable. You'll know when you can stop watching. It's a shocking scene. Heath is utterly brilliant as Sonny.

   Amen, Amen, Amen
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on November 13, 2007, 12:22:06 PM
Lola, thanks for the heads up about Anne, just checked it out.
And pickle, we will never know for sure what happend between Heath and Kate, but she is hot and both are single, so i wouldn't be too surprised if it's true. But it probably was just a one shot thing anyway! LOL! ;)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 13, 2007, 12:24:39 PM
a one shot thing!!!  Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  :D

Hey I have no clue, he will hook up with someone eventually, but my lips will be sealed when he does (I think)  :-X
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on November 13, 2007, 12:28:12 PM
a one shot thing!!!  Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa  :D

Hey I have no clue, he will hook up with someone eventually, but my lips will be sealed when he does (I think)  :-X

Why should they be sealed, that's not fun! There will be a thread named "Much ado about Heath & ...(?) and we'll both participate/post there. ;)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on November 13, 2007, 01:04:04 PM
So, about Heath's acting.......

I have to say, I thought he was the most impressive in Lords of Dogtown, I mean insofar as taking on a character goes-he nailed that guy. Sonny to me, had some of what I guess about Heath the person inside him; and in a way, so did Ennis-that kind of, I've been hurt but I'll hide it from the world kind of thing; the guy in LODT I suppose in a way, reflected Heath's sense of being a free spirit-but the whole stoner mentality, and being secretly down on himself, unhappy inside unless he's building a surfboard..I thought it was extremely authentic and true to the real person it was supposed to present to us.
IMO (I don't really know what I'm talking about here-do you?).
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: WintersGrass on November 13, 2007, 01:13:11 PM
So, about Heath's acting.......

I have to say, I thought he was the most impressive in Lords of Dogtown, I mean insofar as taking on a character goes-he nailed that guy. Sonny to me, had some of what I guess about Heath the person inside him; and in a way, so did Ennis-that kind of, I've been hurt but I'll hide it from the world kind of thing; the guy in LODT I suppose in a way, reflected Heath's sense of being a free spirit-but the whole stoner mentality, and being secretly down on himself, unhappy inside unless he's building a surfboard..I thought it was extremely authentic and true to the real person it was supposed to present to us.
IMO (I don't really know what I'm talking about here-do you?).

If it's not us, then who else could understand it?
I just re-watched the FNIT in slo-mo ([both breathing heavily] Gah!) and the way he moves his hands there is just the same way like in the latest MTV interview snipplet, they look just like Heath to me in FNIT.
I liked LODT but the way he played Skip (was that his name  ??? :-[) was pretty, erm, flawless, I mean exactly how you expect a surfer-dude to be. I really can't say anything about his acting there, I liked it but it didn't hit me like...you know...
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: andy/Claude on November 13, 2007, 03:29:48 PM
I just discovered this thread today and have only read some of the pages but it was enough to cause me to put Casanova in the old dvd player this evening.

I don't believe it to be a movie worthy of any great analysis simply because it has no body as it were but as a flighty piece of fun and frolic with a dash of connivance, I found it funny and enjoyable except for that awful joke about never using coach again by the heroine's mother as they all made their escape! :D The music was absolutely fabulous with tons of good period music played with gusto and charm.

But hey, this isn't a film review thread is it? So what about Heath?....Well, it took me at least half an hour to feel right about his characterisation but when I did he held my attention 'til the end. As much as I, along with all of your good selves consider H to be an actor of unique talent, I have to say that this vehicle is way, way too slight for him. I know he had fun making it but who wouldn't with all those fabulous costumes and locations and with a script that just manages to keep it's head above the waters of the banal? (For banal, go watch that Roman thing doing the rounds at the moment).

One of the things I read about Heath here was how folks see or didn't see Ennis in his various parts. I haven't seen all of his movies yet but those I have, leave me with the feeling that we have the cart before the horse here. Claiming to see Ennis in other parts is to my mind a mirage because what we actually see in Ennis is Heath albeit of the most effectual and unHeathlike kind. Like all actors we see the actor in all their characters but I believe Ennis to stand head and shoulders apart from his other roles. I've never been a great fan of most of Heath's movies or much of a fan of himself but Heath as Ennis captivated me and brought all manner of emotions and whatnot to the surface. So when I, subsequent to BBM saw him in MB I nearly fell off my seat not only at his character's fate but at his incredible pre-echo of Ennis. None of this happens when I see his other movies. His Ennis will, I believe, stand the test of time and be held up as an example of the purest of acting akin to that of the Rolls Royce amongst cars/automobiles.

I should add that my low opinion of his movies is based almost exclusively on the vehicles themselves and the weakness of the characters portrayed. My sincerest wish is to see him in something of an altogether finer and thought provoking kind. He is of the calibre but do we/hollywood/whoever have the scripts??

Please feel free to shoot me down as I appreciate this is not a heath bashing thread. ::) :-* :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 13, 2007, 03:38:35 PM
Just cutting in quickly to say I LOVED Casinova!  I ended up buying it and have watched it several times.

I think you can appreciate an actor, but love one performance over all.

I mentioned on another thread that I think Al Pacino was born to play Michael Corleone.  That was the pefromance of a life time for him, he has not topped it in my opinion (and it has been 30 years) and I doubt he ever will.

But that is okay I have loved him in many other films.

It may be that way with Heath (he was born to play Ennis) he may never top Ennis.  He may never come close, I think we should just enjoy his future work and not even look for Ennis.

After all Ennis was a character, Heath is a human being who will bring many different things to many different films.   And as his life changes and evolves, that will change too.


When he did Brokeback he was in love with Michelle, after than he had a beautiful little girl, now he is in a very different stage of his life (seperated).........he is not the same person he was even a few years ago.  IMO


And he still is so young and hopefully has so much more to give it.  Be it a gay cowboy, a corrections officer, a soldier, a playboy, a knight, a drug addict, a skateboarder etc. etc.    He is very versatile!  ;)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on November 13, 2007, 03:45:42 PM
Marijke, nothing hit me like Ennis, for sure...I suppose in a way, it never occurred to me that I could see how the actor would connect to the part, when it seemed so out of so many people's reach: Ennis is  a borderline personality deeply in love with another man, in a hphobic world. I mean, not an easy role-yet, maybe because he is so gifted, he makes it seem easy. I don't know.
LODT to me was a triumph of disguise in many ways-he really lost himself in that part, as if he worked it from the outside in-a really skilled work, whereas Heath seemed so Method to me, so from the inside out...I know Mr Ledger would say that is not his preferred 'method'....
I hope that explains my thought process a little more clearly.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on November 13, 2007, 03:46:51 PM
Welcome to this thread, Andy!

I agree, Lola, he is nothing if not versatile....
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: andy/Claude on November 13, 2007, 03:48:31 PM
I'm not expecting another Ennis Lola but I am expecting/wishing/ hoping for another part exhibiting the supreme qualities of both written part and portrayal. It's been said before but we may never see anything for both Heath and Jake that will measure up to BBM. Talk about an act to follow. Phew.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: andy/Claude on November 13, 2007, 03:50:11 PM
Hey Jo. :-*

Has heath done any stage work?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on November 13, 2007, 03:59:57 PM
Hey Jo. :-*

Has heath done any stage work?
Not professionally, I don't think.....I think he went right from school acting to Television in Australia; if there is professional stage work, I'm not recalling it. I think he'd be a magnet on stage, don't you?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 13, 2007, 04:23:15 PM
I'm not expecting another Ennis Lola but I am expecting/wishing/ hoping for another part exhibiting the supreme qualities of both written part and portrayal. It's been said before but we may never see anything for both Heath and Jake that will measure up to BBM. Talk about an act to follow. Phew.

Yea a hard act to follow.  And another part may not move you the same way.  We have to look at where alot of us were coming from watching BB.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: andy/Claude on November 13, 2007, 04:37:44 PM
Absolutely
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: rnmina on November 13, 2007, 04:42:39 PM
I'm not expecting another Ennis Lola but I am expecting/wishing/ hoping for another part exhibiting the supreme qualities of both written part and portrayal. It's been said before but we may never see anything for both Heath and Jake that will measure up to BBM. Talk about an act to follow. Phew.
MB and BBM is it for me  with Heath as far as my taking notice of him as a serious actor, but now we will have many more great performances. I'm  awfully glad, he was able to wiggle out of that hunky  actor place, Hollyweird was consigning him too.
sass
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 13, 2007, 04:44:55 PM
Well he was young, that was what he did.  10 Things I hate about you......was adorable, he was adorable.  Now he is older (is he still only 26, lol) and ready for "more"
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 13, 2007, 05:11:54 PM
Heath Ledger Discusses Delving Into Dylan For 'I'm Not There,' Channeling Sid Vicious For 'Dark Knight'

Actor says playing the Joker 'was the most fun I've had with a character and probably will ever have


http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1574035/story.jhtml

I already posted that!  ::)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 13, 2007, 05:25:16 PM
I've heard that it won't download for the Europeans.   :'(

I imagine they would like to know what he said.   ???
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 13, 2007, 05:28:04 PM
I've heard that it won't download for the Europeans.   :'(

I imagine they would like to know what he said.   ???

Oh okay I see.   :)  Well I was told in other threads never to post a whole article, just a few lines and the link.  I was told that by a moderator!  ::)

Maybe a mod could clarify that!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: NWWaguy on November 13, 2007, 05:41:01 PM
I believe it violates copywright laws to quote an entire item without permission ...  :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 13, 2007, 05:45:42 PM
I believe it violates copywright laws to quote an entire item without permission ...  :-*

It probabably violates copywright laws for all these photos to be posted also,
but never-the-less, I removed the article.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 13, 2007, 05:48:18 PM
I believe it violates copywright laws to quote an entire item without permission ...  :-*

I probabably violates copywright laws for all these photos to be posted also,
but never-the-less, I removed the article.

Don't remove it!!  Let's see what the mods say.  I always thought it had something to do with taking up too much space/memory that kind of thing!   Anywhoo it was a good article.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CellarDweller115 on November 13, 2007, 06:20:50 PM
NWWaguy is correct.

To post the whole article without permission does violate copyright laws.

There is a rule on the forum about not posting whole articles here, and it pertains to the "Fair Use" copyright laws. 

Here is a link to the rules of the forum, and this is discussed on the list, 7th down.


http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=124.0
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on November 13, 2007, 07:09:31 PM
Well he was young, that was what he did.  10 Things I hate about you......was adorable, he was adorable.  Now he is older (is he still only 26, lol) and ready for "more"

He's actually 28 but still a baby in my eyes. But a very mature 28yo. It will be good to see what he does in "Tree Of Life" the Terence Mallick film that he's doing next year. That should give him a chance to exercise his acting skills in a straight drama.

Jo, you're right. He's never done any stage work. I suspect he'd get bored doing the same thing every evening. He seems too restless for stage work. I could be very wrong, of course. I started watching Ned Kelly again last night but stopped after a couple of scenes because the script annoyed me (being a Kelly historian). I have to be in the right mood to watch it. Never-the-less, I was struck as always by Heath's openness and willingness to lose himself totally in a part. Candy is a perfect example of that - an egoless performance.

In many respects I find Heath's acting to be "mannered". He's a bit like James Dean in that respect. There was an interesting article featured on TDS several months ago about the dialogue coach for BBM. She said how Jake utilises his training to work on a part, i.e. he has the skills to build up his performance using a pre-ordained set of techniques, whereas Heath comes at it in an idiosyncratic fashion which means he has to work frantically to reach the same point as Jake. That's a dreadful rehash of what was said.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 13, 2007, 08:45:01 PM
I just discovered this thread today and have only read some of the pages but it was enough to cause me to put Casanova in the old dvd player this evening.

I don't believe it to be a movie worthy of any great analysis simply because it has no body as it were but as a flighty piece of fun and frolic with a dash of connivance, I found it funny and enjoyable except for that awful joke about never using coach again by the heroine's mother as they all made their escape! :D The music was absolutely fabulous with tons of good period music played with gusto and charm.

But hey, this isn't a film review thread is it? So what about Heath?....Well, it took me at least half an hour to feel right about his characterisation but when I did he held my attention 'til the end. As much as I, along with all of your good selves consider H to be an actor of unique talent, I have to say that this vehicle is way, way too slight for him. I know he had fun making it but who wouldn't with all those fabulous costumes and locations and with a script that just manages to keep it's head above the waters of the banal? (For banal, go watch that Roman thing doing the rounds at the moment).

One of the things I read about Heath here was how folks see or didn't see Ennis in his various parts. I haven't seen all of his movies yet but those I have, leave me with the feeling that we have the cart before the horse here. Claiming to see Ennis in other parts is to my mind a mirage because what we actually see in Ennis is Heath albeit of the most effectual and unHeathlike kind. Like all actors we see the actor in all their characters but I believe Ennis to stand head and shoulders apart from his other roles. I've never been a great fan of most of Heath's movies or much of a fan of himself but Heath as Ennis captivated me and brought all manner of emotions and whatnot to the surface. So when I, subsequent to BBM saw him in MB I nearly fell off my seat not only at his character's fate but at his incredible pre-echo of Ennis. None of this happens when I see his other movies. His Ennis will, I believe, stand the test of time and be held up as an example of the purest of acting akin to that of the Rolls Royce amongst cars/automobiles.

I should add that my low opinion of his movies is based almost exclusively on the vehicles themselves and the weakness of the characters portrayed. My sincerest wish is to see him in something of an altogether finer and thought provoking kind. He is of the calibre but do we/hollywood/whoever have the scripts??

Please feel free to shoot me down as I appreciate this is not a heath bashing thread. ::) :-* :-*

Well, I'll have to pay a visit to the Lashes thread and talk about Jake's movies! *Cough! Bubble Boy, Cough! The Day After, Cough!* >:D  ;)

Seriously though, some of Heath's earlier movies are slight-10 Things, A Knight's Tale- or even pretty bad- The Patriot, The Order -  but his performances are still enjoyable.  He's even a treat to watch in the mediocre series ROAR.   10 Things is one of the better teen flicks.  I hated A Knight's Tale the first time I saw it but when I revisited it years later I thought it was a hoot and quite enjoyed it. 

Of course by then, I was alrready a Heathen.  Although, that fact didn't stop me from hating The Order/The Sin Eater.  I actually had to watch it in shifts, it's so painfully dull.  Even seeing Heath in priest drag couldn't keep me awake through this stinker (and I'm a lapsed Catholic who's entertained more than a few fantasies with men of the cloth, lol!)  I also thought his performance was less than convincing in The Four Feathers.  It didn't help that he was in brown-face for half the movie and there was absolutely no chemistry between him and the horribly miscast Kate Hudson.

Performance wise, I think he was weakest in The Patriot but I've decided to blame Mel Gibson for that.  That psycho was probably so over-bearing that poor Heath became intimidated and lost his mojo.

I first became a Heathen convert when I saw him in Monster's Ball.  His Sonny tore my heart out,  I couldn't remember a performance affecting me to such a degree.  It was a revelation as they say and I had to go back and re-evaluate his previous stuff.  Then I saw BbM and I became a Devout Heathen. Sonny came to mind almost immediately, it was like a first draft of Ennis, I couldn't believe he had topped himself.

He's also great in Lords of Dogtown despite the fact that he seems to be channelling Val Kilmer.  I think that was due to the overbite.  His Jacob in The Brother's Grimm is very underrated IMO, it's a beautifully quirky & sensitive performance.  I can't wait to see him in his next collaboration with Gilliam.

This is cliché but what I like about Heath his how he disappears into his roles.  He's played a manic street hustler in Two Hands, a weak junkie in Candy, a confident and fey Casanova a repressed ranch hand and self-loathing good old boy and manages to make them all charismatic.  He has amazing range and is not afraid to stretch.

Amen.

My apologies for going on and on but it felt good!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on November 13, 2007, 09:34:33 PM
No need to apologise. That was an interesting take on Heath's films. I wonder if there are any Heathens who DON'T like him as Sonny. Pity it's such a hard film to watch - at least until -- you know -- and after that it's not really worth watching.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 13, 2007, 09:56:48 PM
No need to apologise. That was an interesting take on Heath's films. I wonder if there are any Heathens who DON'T like him as Sonny. Pity it's such a hard film to watch - at least until -- you know -- and after that it's not really worth watching.

Thanks Angel!  I'm a bit surprised that I seem to be the only one here who actually liked Monster's Ball.  Even P. Diddy, or whatever his name was/is, gave an affecting performance and Everybody Loves Raymond was never the same after seeing Peter Boyles' Buck, lol!  I agree that it was hard to watch and I did have problems with the pat ending but overall I thought it was quite good.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on November 13, 2007, 10:22:51 PM
No need to apologise. That was an interesting take on Heath's films. I wonder if there are any Heathens who DON'T like him as Sonny. Pity it's such a hard film to watch - at least until -- you know -- and after that it's not really worth watching.
I love the Brothers Grimm! I actually bought the DVD-a monuMENTAL act of commitment, on my part!!!!

I have to say, if you are not a Heath fan, several  of his movies really go down the crapper..but I do think his natural presence is always in evidence. I've seen those mannerisms you refer to, Mini-but I don't see anything phony in them. In  a way, they are HIS technique, I think, to be where he needs to be.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: andy/Claude on November 14, 2007, 02:49:19 AM
Oilgun, I'm so pleased to have been able to bring out your going on-ness . ;D If we can't do it here where can we?
I too had no problem with all of MB although I felt the loss of Sonny/Heath for the whole of the remaining.
As for mannerisms, which actor do we know who doesn't have them? It's made awkward for me as BBM was the first glimpse I had of HL so I'm gonna see Ennis in everything he does aren't I? I know nothing about his two works in pre-production The imaginarium of Dr. Pamassus and Tree of Life but hope to god that they contain some meat for him to get his teeth into. IMHO  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on November 14, 2007, 03:54:36 AM
When I said his performances were mannered, I was thinking less of obvious mannerisms, (like the cute way he moves his hands, which can look nervy and sweet, as in The Brothers Grimm, or delicate and confused, as in SNIT when he doesn't know whether to touch Jack or not) but the way he acts in a slightly studied way. Like James Dean he moves in an idiosyncratic way which isn't entirely natural. I can't explain it very well but he doesn't just act and move like himself.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: andy/Claude on November 14, 2007, 04:01:30 AM
Maybe it's because he's not particularly happy about himself and is wanting to get away from that but without artifice? I'm thinking that great actors minds don't always translate to their body parts.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on November 14, 2007, 04:09:19 AM
No, I don't think that's quite it, Andy. Heath builds his characters very carefully, including the physical movements, posture, etc. IOW he invents the way the character moves rather than just falling back on his natural movement.

Look at the way he holds Ennis in that hunched, uncomfortable way. It looks so uncomfortable and yet he manages to hold it through the entire film. In must have given him backache! He does that sort of stuff differently in every film.

I think he's pretty happy with himself but doesn't want to use his own body habits unless it's appropriate.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: andy/Claude on November 14, 2007, 04:57:43 AM
I do see that Marian. :) I suggested what I did on account of his awkwardness in pretty much all of his interviews and such like.
Now, towards the end of Casanova, when he's thrown in prison, there's a shot of him thru the cell door window and it's pure Ennis! It was the only time in that movie that I saw anything other than bland/very subtle facial expression. When I saw the dejected look it made my heart jump as it was so conspicuous in what so far, had been a light hearted story.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 14, 2007, 07:47:26 AM
No need to apologise. That was an interesting take on Heath's films. I wonder if there are any Heathens who DON'T like him as Sonny. Pity it's such a hard film to watch - at least until -- you know -- and after that it's not really worth watching.

Thanks Angel!  I'm a bit surprised that I seem to be the only one here who actually liked Monster's Ball.  Even P. Diddy, or whatever his name was/is, gave an affecting performance and Everybody Loves Raymond was never the same after seeing Peter Boyles' Buck, lol!  I agree that it was hard to watch and I did have problems with the pat ending but overall I thought it was quite good.

I thought it was a great movie, it is another one that is in my collection.  I thought everyone was brilliant.  Halle won her Oscar, I thought Billy Bob was great, all of them.  And yea what a character for the much loved Peter Boyle to play!  :P

I also really liked the Patriot, I thought it was a good movie.


So Heath is 28 huh?  I guess he is the oldest of the four of them.  Jake is 26, Anne just turned 25 the other day.  And Michelle just turned 25 a few months ago - babies all of them!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 14, 2007, 08:29:57 AM
(http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/0/88/46_2007/111307int.jpg)

All sorts of on screen Bob Dylans (but not the man himself) came out for a screening of I'm Not There in NYC last night. Three of the movie's Bobs — Richard Gere, Heath Ledger and Marcus Carl Franklin — met up on the red carpet, while Adrian Grenier just paid homage to the iconic artist with his big hair. Elle Macpherson looked like a rock star herself with her hot leather jacket. As for Julianne Moore, I'm just happy she's a redhead again. Check back at the end of the week to see what Buzz thinks about I'm Not There — at this point I think it looks like it could be either awesome or terrible but probably nothing in between, you?


more pics inside;

http://popsugar.com/806190
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on November 14, 2007, 08:32:52 AM
When I said his performances were mannered, I was thinking less of obvious mannerisms, (like the cute way he moves his hands, which can look nervy and sweet, as in The Brothers Grimm, or delicate and confused, as in SNIT when he doesn't know whether to touch Jack or not) but the way he acts in a slightly studied way. Like James Dean he moves in an idiosyncratic way which isn't entirely natural. I can't explain it very well but he doesn't just act and move like himself.
I think I understand what you meant; and sometimes with other actors its kind of annoying-think Richard Dreyfuss, much as I love him. The personality is so powerful, it takes over, along with the technique.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 14, 2007, 08:45:05 AM
(http://buzznet-46.vo.llnwd.net/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2007/11/heath-ledger-dragonfly-tattoo.jpg)

Heath Ledger shows off his brand new dragonfly tattoo while chatting with director Todd Haynes at the screening of their new film I’m Not There at NYC’s Bowery Hotel on Tuesday.

Heath, 28, recently got a new upper right arm tattoo of a dragonfly, which symbolizes freedom and change (he separated from actress Michelle Williams back in August).

Also pictured: Costars Bruce Greenwood, Richard Gere, Marcus Carl Franklin, and Julianne Moore

15+ pictures inside of Heath Ledger

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2007/11/14/heath-ledger-dragonfly-tattoo/


Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 14, 2007, 09:33:39 AM
(http://images.teamsugar.com/files/users/0/88/46_2007/111307int.jpg)

All sorts of on screen Bob Dylans (but not the man himself) came out for a screening of I'm Not There in NYC last night. Three of the movie's Bobs — Richard Gere, Heath Ledger and Marcus Carl Franklin — met up on the red carpet, while Adrian Grenier just paid homage to the iconic artist with his big hair. Elle Macpherson looked like a rock star herself with her hot leather jacket. As for Julianne Moore, I'm just happy she's a redhead again. Check back at the end of the week to see what Buzz thinks about I'm Not There — at this point I think it looks like it could be either awesome or terrible but probably nothing in between, you?


more pics inside;

http://popsugar.com/806190

This is very O/T but is anyone else really tired of Adrian Grenier's hair style?!  Is he afraid of the Felicity syndrome or something?

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on November 14, 2007, 10:11:17 AM
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Heath, 28, recently got a new upper right arm tattoo of a dragonfly, which symbolizes freedom and change (he separated from actress Michelle Williams back in August).

Freedom and change..oh Heath! LOL! He just seems not to be a one woman man!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 14, 2007, 10:18:42 AM
This is very O/T but is anyone else really tired of Adrian Grenier's hair style?!  Is he afraid of the Felicity syndrome or something?



Yea he is a nice looking guy, but lose the hair and beard.  I watch Entourage once in a while and he was cute in the Devil Wears Prada!


ynnaf as for Heath, hmmmmmmmm change, and a butterlfy tat!!  ::)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on November 14, 2007, 10:31:15 AM
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ynnaf as for Heath, hmmmmmmmm change, and a butterlfy tat!! 

Now he's free like a butterfly! ::) ;) I just wish he would stop with the tatoos. It's getting too much i think... :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 14, 2007, 11:02:54 AM
http://www.uberduzi.com/ will have some print at home free screening passes for some showings on college campuses. For this movie, the Release Date is 11/21/2007, so the advance screenings will probably be that week.

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Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on November 14, 2007, 11:15:28 AM
Thank you, thank you, thank you for the new pics..he looks sruffily go-jus and have to say, he looks happy, IMO. Interesting 'bout the dragonfly. Effective coping mechanisms, emotionally. Good for him.

I just wish him well.....and makes me want to see INT all the more, seeing him with Todd Haynes.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 14, 2007, 11:26:14 AM
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Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 14, 2007, 11:42:25 AM
Old news, but still noteworthy!

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ONE Love: Bono Rallies Celebs Against AIDS
TMZ.com, August 18, 2006

While Bono alone would be enough to generate support, he's got some extra help from a slew of celebs for the new campaign. Lindsay Lohan, Heath Ledger and Michelle Williams, Jimmy Fallon, Naomi Watts, Rosario Dawson and many more joined in for the print ads --
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 14, 2007, 12:09:50 PM
(http://aycu32.webshots.com/image/34671/2002425552491574198_rs.jpg)

Roco, if you find a place that has that poster for sale please let us know!  I would so get a copy and have it framed!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 14, 2007, 12:33:23 PM
I'd like to frame this!

(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3272/i123sl9.png)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 14, 2007, 01:00:55 PM
I'd like to frame this!

(http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/3272/i123sl9.png)

 :D

Well yes, but I was considering the esthetic quality of the design of the poster itself along with the Heath content  ;)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on November 14, 2007, 09:21:56 PM
Well of course. This is the SERIOUS Heath thread  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on November 15, 2007, 02:11:20 PM
I just read that Ang (Lee) was at the I'm Not There afterparty to celebrate with Heath! I'm so glad that both have so much success right now. INT is getting great reviews and Ang won the Golden Lion for his latest movie. :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 15, 2007, 02:44:17 PM
Well of course. This is the SERIOUS Heath thread  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Well, that sounds like a shot  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on November 15, 2007, 07:38:35 PM
Well of course. This is the SERIOUS Heath thread  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Well, that sounds like a shot  :)
Que?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 20, 2007, 04:37:23 PM
Film
Ledger A Big Joker When It Comes To New Gilliam Film

by Shawn Adler, MTV Blog

“The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus,” a fantasy which will reunite the 28-year-old actor with director Terry Gilliam.

“That’s just going to be a hoot,” Ledger smiled. “It’s going to be fun!"

“Terry couldn’t even tell you what the movie is about,” Ledger laughed. “It’s mind-bending. I really don’t know how to sum it up.”

“I love Terry. I’d really do anything for him,” Ledger insisted. “I’d cut carrots and serve catering on his movies.”
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: playitagain on November 20, 2007, 04:40:33 PM
Film
Ledger A Big Joker When It Comes To New Gilliam Film

by Shawn Adler, MTV Blog

“The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus,” a fantasy which will reunite the 28-year-old actor with director Terry Gilliam.

“That’s just going to be a hoot,” Ledger smiled. “It’s going to be fun!"

“Terry couldn’t even tell you what the movie is about,” Ledger laughed. “It’s mind-bending. I really don’t know how to sum it up.”

“I love Terry. I’d really do anything for him,” Ledger insisted. “I’d cut carrots and serve catering on his movies.”

Reminds me of your comment as to what you'd do for Jake, Roco!   :D :D   Love is love alright! 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 20, 2007, 08:46:21 PM
"It felt like a step forward!"
TF talks Brokeback with Heath Ledger

09 Jan 2006 10:59am


We have to ask you about kissing Jake Gyllenhaal…

It was definitely tough – it took a lot of courage and once I got home I felt slightly violated! I think going in to the film, Jake and I had a lot of respect for one another just for making this choice but we also understood that we had a responsibility to tell the story. To act out the scenes, I guess you have to suspend reality and harness the power of belief in the performance, you know? We’d convinced ourselves of the story and the love between these guys and between the words “action” and “cut” we didn’t think about the fact that it was Heath kissing Jake. If we had, we probably wouldn’t have been able to complete the scene. We really had to believe in our environment. It was tough subject matter for sure but just to  be conquering it and doing justice to the story. We all felt very proud.

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/it_felt_like_a_step_forward!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on November 21, 2007, 06:11:05 AM
"It felt like a step forward!"
TF talks Brokeback with Heath Ledger

09 Jan 2006 10:59am


We have to ask you about kissing Jake Gyllenhaal…

It was definitely tough – it took a lot of courage and once I got home I felt slightly violated! I think going in to the film, Jake and I had a lot of respect for one another just for making this choice but we also understood that we had a responsibility to tell the story. To act out the scenes, I guess you have to suspend reality and harness the power of belief in the performance, you know? We’d convinced ourselves of the story and the love between these guys and between the words “action” and “cut” we didn’t think about the fact that it was Heath kissing Jake. If we had, we probably wouldn’t have been able to complete the scene. We really had to believe in our environment. It was tough subject matter for sure but just to  be conquering it and doing justice to the story. We all felt very proud.

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/it_felt_like_a_step_forward!

I still think Heath exaggerated a bit. It couldn't have been that hard to kiss Jake. He's a cute guy and seems well groomed and on top of that they seem to be friends. So the word "violated" shouldn't have been used imo. But whatevs, promotion for BBM is long over now!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: afhickman on November 21, 2007, 06:19:09 AM
There's an ecstatic review of "I'm Not There" on Salon.com this morning.  Stephanie Zacharek calls it "dazzling."  Zacharek reserves her greatest encomiums, deservedly so, for Cate Blanchett, but here's how she describes Heath's character:

"Heath Ledger is Robbie, not a singer but a movie star who rose to fame playing the lead in a movie about a Dylan-like singer, who has supposedly settled into a comfortable country life with his painter-wife, Claire (the superb, as always, Charlotte Gainsbourg), even though his real home, complete with numerous temporary girlfriends, is on the road."
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 21, 2007, 08:15:30 AM
"It felt like a step forward!"
TF talks Brokeback with Heath Ledger

09 Jan 2006 10:59am


We have to ask you about kissing Jake Gyllenhaal…

It was definitely tough – it took a lot of courage and once I got home I felt slightly violated! I think going in to the film, Jake and I had a lot of respect for one another just for making this choice but we also understood that we had a responsibility to tell the story. To act out the scenes, I guess you have to suspend reality and harness the power of belief in the performance, you know? We’d convinced ourselves of the story and the love between these guys and between the words “action” and “cut” we didn’t think about the fact that it was Heath kissing Jake. If we had, we probably wouldn’t have been able to complete the scene. We really had to believe in our environment. It was tough subject matter for sure but just to  be conquering it and doing justice to the story. We all felt very proud.

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/it_felt_like_a_step_forward!

I still think Heath exaggerated a bit. It couldn't have been that hard to kiss Jake. He's a cute guy and seems well groomed and on top of that they seem to be friends. So the word "violated" shouldn't have been used imo. But whatevs, promotion for BBM is long over now!

I watched an interview with Susan Sarandon one night, apparently she did a love scene with Catherine Denuve in a movie (I missed that one)  Anyway she said the director asked her if she wanted anything to relax her, some wine or something.  She said "no I'm fine, I'm loooking forward to it"  :D


I wonder if it different for women?  Do straight men see the beauty in other men?   I guess this discussion is O/T sorry!

But notice Heath also includes Jake in his equation, he says "we".

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: NWWaguy on November 21, 2007, 02:59:13 PM
Interesting, for sure ... this is why I'd like to have a private, one-on-one with Jake and ask him questions about what he did, what he reached inside for, etc., to gift us with such a performance.  I wouldn't try that with Heath, 'tho, since we already have as much as he'd probably say about it ... and he seems to work from the outside in for his roles, while Jake seems to work from the inside out. 

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 21, 2007, 04:51:11 PM

I watched an interview with Susan Sarandon one night, apparently she did a love scene with Catherine Deneuve in a movie (I missed that one)  Anyway she said the director asked her if she wanted anything to relax her, some wine or something.  She said "no I'm fine, I'm loooking forward to it"  :D


Lola!  Please add The Hunger to your Netflix Queue ASAP!  That love scene is famous and very, very hot!  It also stars David Bowie.  Susan Sarandon is also quote as saying something like " It's Catherine Deneuve for god's sake, who wouldn't want to do a love scene with her!".  Yeah, Tim & Susan are my favourite Hollywood couple.

And it is different for men, most of us have been programmed almost from birth to fear/despise homosexuality.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 22, 2007, 08:09:02 AM
How much of that is down to Ang Lee?

Ang took us aside individually and prepped us. He spoonfed us little bits of information about our characters; the way they walk, talk, the way they breathe and also how they see the world. We didn’t sit round a table together, it was private. So going into the movie I didn’t know much of what Ang had told Jake; in essence our characters met on screen. We obviously knew what was in the script but we didn’t know the game plan behind it. It was a curious approach but it’s surprising how well that worked because you really see these guys meet on film. Ang is great at that – he has this ability to observe life, an acute eye for detail.

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/it_felt_like_a_step_forward!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 22, 2007, 05:49:29 PM
Heath Ledger ('The Brothers Grimm')
'Unfolding The Whole Grimm Story!'


What was the difference between working with Gilliam and Ang Lee, director of 'Brokeback Mountain?

They're both wonderful directors and definitely both have the same level of attention to detail. Sometimes Ang will be like, 'Okay, drag cigarette. Okay, blow out. Okay, look at mountain. Okay, now look at feet. Look back at mountain. Okay.'," he says, imitating the Asian director. "You try to take this in, make it look natural. Terry does that too in a way, but when he yells things out to you, it's kind of in different tones. Plus Terry laughs a lot more."

http://www.annecarlini.com/ex_interviews.php?id=396
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: trekfan on November 24, 2007, 11:56:44 AM
How much of that is down to Ang Lee?

Ang took us aside individually and prepped us. He spoonfed us little bits of information about our characters; the way they walk, talk, the way they breathe and also how they see the world. We didn’t sit round a table together, it was private. So going into the movie I didn’t know much of what Ang had told Jake; in essence our characters met on screen. We obviously knew what was in the script but we didn’t know the game plan behind it. It was a curious approach but it’s surprising how well that worked because you really see these guys meet on film. Ang is great at that – he has this ability to observe life, an acute eye for detail.

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/it_felt_like_a_step_forward!

I can't find that site. it won't come up for me. 

I remember Heath saying in an interview how hard it is to do a love scene whether it's a guy or a girl (I think it was on the Opera Interview) And they just did it.   I think there has to be a level of trust between these two in order for them to have gotten through those scenes together.   They did talk to each other about how they were going to approach each scene.   Like the reunion kiss that was carefully choreographed (though it was rough on Jake being thrown around.  poor baby :D)

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 24, 2007, 12:37:09 PM
Heath talks about that a bit in the article that Roco posted (up the page a bit).

Dark Knight pics;

http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/slideshow/The+Dark+Knight-306_home.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: sotoalf on November 25, 2007, 04:53:18 PM
Why isn't there a thread on I'm Not There?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: NWWaguy on November 25, 2007, 05:19:38 PM
I don't know, but here's today's info on BOMomo:  http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=imnotthere.htm

Domestic:  $1,001,000    51.2% (finally broke $1mil)
+ Foreign:  $955,777    48.8%
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
= Worldwide:  $1,956,777   
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on November 27, 2007, 04:24:49 PM
(http://buzznet-71.vo.llnwd.net/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2007/11/heath-ledger-joker-empire-cover.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 27, 2007, 04:46:48 PM
I think we deverve this in a larger format  ;)

(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w197/oilgun/thejokerg1.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 27, 2007, 08:33:31 PM
Nov 27, 2007, 22:04 GMT

Dylan movie nominated for Indie Awards

Los Angeles - A quixotic look at the life and times of legendary singer Bob Dylan was nominated Tuesday for four Spirit Awards, the Oscars of the independent film world.

http://movies.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1376896.php/Dylan_movie_nominated_for_Indie_Awards
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on November 27, 2007, 08:40:12 PM
Yay! Hope it turns into a commercial hit, as well...not that I care. Its getting some really good reviews-that's got to feel awesome to the actors and to Todd Haynes-yey, Indies. Well, Heath's got some good judgement on projects, no doubt. He's at the freakin top, now. This last run of films really showcases how gifted he is. ah, so satisfying.....I can't wait until he gets his makin-up-for -BBM Oscar... ;D ;D ;D...Then he'll get another; than another.......He'll be the male Meryl Streep, whom if I'm not mistaken, he admires, right? Or is that Sean Penn??
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 27, 2007, 08:44:47 PM
CinematicalWeb
Sean Penn and Heath Ledger to Star in Malick's 'Tree of Life'


http://www.cinematical.com/2007/10/30/sean-penn-and-heath-ledger-to-star-in-malicks-tree-of-life/
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: LenaLovich on November 27, 2007, 10:34:51 PM
CinematicalWeb
Sean Penn and Heath Ledger to Star in Malick's 'Tree of Life'


http://www.cinematical.com/2007/10/30/sean-penn-and-heath-ledger-to-star-in-malicks-tree-of-life/

This is really exciting! My two favorite actors! And in a Malick film (Malick is a legend). One thing though--Malick's films (for me) can be either sweeping masterpieces or real bores. I hope this will be the former but how exciting that Sean Penn and Heath will be in a film together!!! Heath is really moving up, isn't he??
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on November 28, 2007, 03:43:41 AM
Nov 27, 2007, 22:04 GMT

Dylan movie nominated for Indie Awards

Los Angeles - A quixotic look at the life and times of legendary singer Bob Dylan was nominated Tuesday for four Spirit Awards, the Oscars of the independent film world.

http://movies.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1376896.php/Dylan_movie_nominated_for_Indie_Awards

Thank you Roco for this info!! (quick!!)

Even though Heath wasn't nominated for any best actos' categories, I would like to add this official site link.
http://www.filmindependent.org/spiritawards/interactive_nominee_guide.php

However, when I visited the site I noticed this on the bottom of the page;
ROBERT ALTMAN AWARD
(Given to one film's director, casting director and its ensemble cast)
I'm Not There
Director: Todd Haynes
Casting Director: Laura Rosenthal
Ensemble Cast: Cate Blanchett, Christian Bale, Richard Gere, Heath Ledger, Ben Whishaw, Marcus Carl Franklin, Charlotte Gainsbourg, Bruce Greenwood


Is this mean INT has already won this category or do I have to download pdf. file to see the rest of the list!?!?!?! ???
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 28, 2007, 07:44:44 AM

However, when I visited the site I noticed this on the bottom of the page;
ROBERT ALTMAN AWARD
(Given to one film's director, casting director and its ensemble cast)
I'm Not There
Director: Todd Haynes
Casting Director: Laura Rosenthal
Ensemble Cast: Cate Blanchett, Christian Bale, Richard Gere, Heath Ledger, Ben Whishaw, Marcus Carl Franklin, Charlotte Gainsbourg, Bruce Greenwood


Is this mean IMN has already won this category or do I have to download pdf. file to see the rest of the list!?!?!?! ???

No, it looks like one of those special awards so they'll be getting it.

I noticed that Rodriguo Prieto is nominated for Lust,Caution.  That's cool!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: afhickman on November 28, 2007, 08:12:11 AM
"I'm Not There" will be the first film ever to receive the Altman award.  What an honor!  No matter what you think of the movie, you have to admire the cast.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: andy/Claude on November 28, 2007, 08:17:12 AM
How much of that is down to Ang Lee?

Ang took us aside individually and prepped us. He spoonfed us little bits of information about our characters; the way they walk, talk, the way they breathe and also how they see the world. We didn’t sit round a table together, it was private. So going into the movie I didn’t know much of what Ang had told Jake; in essence our characters met on screen. We obviously knew what was in the script but we didn’t know the game plan behind it. It was a curious approach but it’s surprising how well that worked because you really see these guys meet on film. Ang is great at that – he has this ability to observe life, an acute eye for detail.

http://www.totalfilm.com/features/it_felt_like_a_step_forward!

Roco, although not so long, I find this paragraph to be so enlightening about this aspect of the making of the movie. It says so much! :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: WintersGrass on November 29, 2007, 12:59:39 AM
More Joker:

http://www.superheroflix.com/news/92/24692.php
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on November 29, 2007, 08:03:37 AM
Thank you Oilgun and afhickman!! :-* :-*
"I'm Not There" will be the first film ever to receive the Altman award.  What an honor!  No matter what you think of the movie, you have to admire the cast.

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/silver7red/heathintnyprem7.jpg)

I hope Heath is gonna show up to the award ceremony !  (He was there last year for Michelle's nomination...)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 29, 2007, 02:33:52 PM
Thank you Oilgun and afhickman!! :-* :-*
"I'm Not There" will be the first film ever to receive the Altman award.  What an honor!  No matter what you think of the movie, you have to admire the cast.

(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/silver7red/heathintnyprem7.jpg)

I hope Heath is gonna show up to the award ceremony !  (He was there last year for Michelle's nomination...)

Catty Aside:  Black doesn't do much for Julianne Moore, that's for sure.  Mind you, the bizarre cut of her top doesn't help, ouch! 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on November 29, 2007, 10:54:52 PM
http://www.joblo.com/yet-more-joker

Give this a minute to pop up-its another grody Joker pic-he gets scarier looking with each shot.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 30, 2007, 09:25:57 AM
 Movie News
Western Union
Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal put their careers on the line -- The young actors play cowboys in love in ''Brokeback Mountain''


On-the-job romance is always tricky, and Ledger and Williams didn't exactly keep a low profile, risking the envy of the rest of the lonelyhearts on set. From the very first day of shooting — when Ledger doted on Williams after she injured her knee in a sledding scene — they were the official set couple, a haven of blissful domesticity, sharing a trailer and cooking meals for the cast and crew. They zealously guarded their off-camera relationship from the persistent sorrow they portrayed on screen. ''I never drew upon my love for Michelle,'' says Ledger, laughing. ''Um, my love for [Jake's character] is very different.''


http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1136232_3,00.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 30, 2007, 09:35:21 AM
Continued
Western Union


And then Lee made them repeat the sex scene 13 times. ''For me it was a little easier than it was for Jake,'' Ledger says, nervously pulling his red cap inside out and back again between his hands. ''Any kind of nerves I had about approaching that scene, I didn't have to hide. We were like, 'F--- it, we took on this story and there's no point in shying away from it."Neither of us wanted to do it again any time soon. But in the end, it was just like kissing a person.''

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1136232_4,00.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on November 30, 2007, 09:51:06 AM
""Neither of us wanted to do it again any time soon. But in the end, it was just like kissing a person.''

Oh lol Heath! I think he meant that there is actually no difference between kissing a man and a woman.  ;)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: andy/Claude on November 30, 2007, 10:19:10 AM
""Neither of us wanted to do it again any time soon. But in the end, it was just like kissing a person.''

Oh lol Heath! I think he meant that there is actually no difference between kissing a man and a woman.  ;)

I'm not so sure about that...as a gay man having to kiss the much softer, tenderer lips of a woman attached to a female body I would feel inclined to say the same, only too eager to return to the kisses of a masculine, stubble lined and much tougher pair of lips on the body of a man. ::)

The difference is huge, not only physically but emotionally as well unless you are of a freer spirit where your sexuality was concerned. IMHO.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 30, 2007, 10:26:30 AM
Quote
''I never drew upon my love for Michelle,'' says Ledger, laughing. ''Um, my love for [Jake's character] is very different.''

The straight world have never been inclined to admit that the love that Gay people feel for each other is as valid as their
"Superior" love. When they think Gay, they think Lust and unbridled sexuality.  IMO

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on November 30, 2007, 10:41:44 AM
I'm not so sure about that...as a gay man having to kiss the much softer, tenderer lips of a woman attached to a female body I would feel inclined to say the same, only too eager to return to the kisses of a masculine, stubble lined and much tougher pair of lips on the body of a man. ::)
The difference is huge, not only physically but emotionally as well unless you are of a freer spirit where your sexuality was concerned. IMHO.

Interesting! What difference is there emotionally?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on November 30, 2007, 11:16:08 AM
Oh dear... this thread is getting like another thread(Ignorant Straight Girl Wants Answers from Gay Men !!?!) :o
Quote
''I never drew upon my love for Michelle,'' says Ledger, laughing. ''Um, my love for [Jake's character] is very different.''

The straight world have never been inclined to admit that the love that Gay people feel for each other is as valid as their
"Superior" love. When they think Gay, they think Lust and unbridled sexuality.  IMO

Roco, I don't want get in trouble with this :-* but, is Heath just talking about the difference between his off-set love(to Michelle) and on-set love (to Jack as Ennis) as an actor here?;

>On-the-job romance is always tricky, and Ledger and Williams didn't exactly keep a low profile, risking the envy of the rest of the lonelyhearts on set. From the very first day of shooting — when Ledger doted on Williams after she injured her knee in a sledding scene — they were the official set couple, a haven of blissful domesticity, sharing a trailer and cooking meals for the cast and crew. They zealously guarded their off-camera relationship from the persistent sorrow they portrayed on screen. ''I never drew upon my love for Michelle,'' says Ledger, laughing. ''Um, my love for [Jake's character] is very different.''

I don't understand why do you think this quote is anything to do with 'superiority' from heterosexual person ...... ???
Didn't they prove that the love that Gay people feel for each other is not just lust and unbridled sexuality by playing the characters in BBM at all!?!?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on November 30, 2007, 12:48:30 PM
Thanks for the PM Andy, i just sent you a reply! :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 30, 2007, 03:18:48 PM
Quote
''I never drew upon my love for Michelle,'' says Ledger, laughing. ''Um, my love for [Jake's character] is very different.''

The straight world have never been inclined to admit that the love that Gay people feel for each other is as valid as their
"Superior" love. When they think Gay, they think Lust and unbridled sexuality.  IMO

[...]
I don't understand why do you think this quote is anything to do with 'superiority' from heterosexual person ...... ???
Didn't they prove that the love that Gay people feel for each other is not just lust and unbridled sexuality by playing the characters in BBM at all!?!?

I agree Pickle.  I think it's a great leap to assume from that statement that Heath meant Hetero love is more valid.  Certainly his love for Michelle (if it ever existed ;)) would be more valid than a make-believe love in a movie, regardless of orientation.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: LenaLovich on November 30, 2007, 03:44:19 PM
Quote
''I never drew upon my love for Michelle,'' says Ledger, laughing. ''Um, my love for [Jake's character] is very different.''

The straight world have never been inclined to admit that the love that Gay people feel for each other is as valid as their
"Superior" love. When they think Gay, they think Lust and unbridled sexuality.  IMO

[...]
I don't understand why do you think this quote is anything to do with 'superiority' from heterosexual person ...... ???
Didn't they prove that the love that Gay people feel for each other is not just lust and unbridled sexuality by playing the characters in BBM at all!?!?

I agree Pickle.  I think it's a great leap to assume from that statement that Heath meant Hetero love is more valid.  Certainly his love for Michelle (if it ever existed ;)) would be more valid than a make-believe love in a movie, regardless of orientation.



What do you mean if it ever existed??? ::) Remember when Heath and Michelle were gushing over each other, staring googly-eyed at each during BBM promotion? I guess that didn't last for some reason...

Seriously, at least they got a beautiful little girl otu of the deal
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 30, 2007, 05:26:27 PM
Quote
''I never drew upon my love for Michelle,'' says Ledger, laughing. ''Um, my love for [Jake's character] is very different.''

The straight world have never been inclined to admit that the love that Gay people feel for each other is as valid as their
"Superior" love. When they think Gay, they think Lust and unbridled sexuality.  IMO

[...]
I don't understand why do you think this quote is anything to do with 'superiority' from heterosexual person ...... ???
Didn't they prove that the love that Gay people feel for each other is not just lust and unbridled sexuality by playing the characters in BBM at all!?!?

I agree Pickle.  I think it's a great leap to assume from that statement that Heath meant Hetero love is more valid.  Certainly his love for Michelle (if it ever existed ;)) would be more valid than a make-believe love in a movie, regardless of orientation.



What do you mean if it ever existed??? ::) Remember when Heath and Michelle were gushing over each other, staring googly-eyed at each during BBM promotion? I guess that didn't last for some reason...

Seriously, at least they got a beautiful little girl otu of the deal

Well, I've had casual relationships that have lasted longer, ;)!  I'm not saying there was no love, but it couldn't have been very deep or very mature if it barely lasted 2 years.  There was even a child involved (and she is a gorgeous child) so they probably stayed together longer than they would have without one. I don't know, it sounds like a fling to me.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: LenaLovich on November 30, 2007, 05:51:00 PM
Quote
''I never drew upon my love for Michelle,'' says Ledger, laughing. ''Um, my love for [Jake's character] is very different.''

The straight world have never been inclined to admit that the love that Gay people feel for each other is as valid as their
"Superior" love. When they think Gay, they think Lust and unbridled sexuality.  IMO

[...]
I don't understand why do you think this quote is anything to do with 'superiority' from heterosexual person ...... ???
Didn't they prove that the love that Gay people feel for each other is not just lust and unbridled sexuality by playing the characters in BBM at all!?!?

I agree Pickle.  I think it's a great leap to assume from that statement that Heath meant Hetero love is more valid.  Certainly his love for Michelle (if it ever existed ;)) would be more valid than a make-believe love in a movie, regardless of orientation.



What do you mean if it ever existed??? ::) Remember when Heath and Michelle were gushing over each other, staring googly-eyed at each during BBM promotion? I guess that didn't last for some reason...

Seriously, at least they got a beautiful little girl otu of the deal

Well, I've had casual relationships that have lasted longer, ;)!  I'm not saying there was no love, but it couldn't have been very deep or very mature if it barely lasted 2 years.  There was even a child involved (and she is a gorgeous child) so they probably stayed together longer than they would have without one. I don't know, it sounds like a fling to me.

Hey, I'm still having a fling with someone I've known for almost 20 years (long story there!). But seriously, what I think happened between Heath and Michelle (and I'm just speculating because I don't know these two personally) is that it was a set hook-up (like a lot of HW relationships). Heath was rebounding from the relationship with Naomi and there was Michelle to provide him comfort (he does have a history of hooking up with his co-stars). I think they had a child WAY too quickly into their relationship without really getting to know one another. And then when they finally did get a chance to know one another is probably when they realized they were not compatible. Oh well...at least they didn't stay together just for the sake of little Matilda (like so many other couples) while making each other increasingly miserable.

They were a mismatch.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on November 30, 2007, 06:56:23 PM

Hey, I'm still having a fling with someone I've known for almost 20 years (long story there!). But seriously, what I think happened between Heath and Michelle (and I'm just speculating because I don't know these two personally) is that it was a set hook-up (like a lot of HW relationships). Heath was rebounding from the relationship with Naomi and there was Michelle to provide him comfort (he does have a history of hooking up with his co-stars). I think they had a child WAY too quickly into their relationship without really getting to know one another. And then when they finally did get a chance to know one another is probably when they realized they were not compatible. Oh well...at least they didn't stay together just for the sake of little Matilda (like so many other couples) while making each other increasingly miserable.

They were a mismatch.
That makes a lot of sense.  They seem pretty level headed when it comes to Matilda, so that's good.  I used to LOVE Lena Lovich btw!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on November 30, 2007, 09:02:35 PM
Quote
''I never drew upon my love for Michelle,'' says Ledger, laughing. ''Um, my love for [Jake's character] is very different.''

I have just found an article that made me realize that I completely missunderstood his intent in the previous statement.

Sorry Heath ... I certainly do apologize!

This article says it all:


EVEN COWBOYS GET THE BLUES

by Myles Wearring

Ledger said he felt it was high time that such a story made it to the big screen.

“I thought it was an opportunity to represent this form of love, and to portray homosexual love as not being a disease or a plague or something that can be cured or a lifestyle choice,” he said.

“The levels of intimacy and emotion experienced within these relationships are exactly what happens within heterosexual love. And I just thought it was good to try and open some people’s minds.”

http://www.heathheathens.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=172

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on December 01, 2007, 06:38:05 AM
Squaring the Ledger
Article from: News.com.au
By Honie Stevens


"You don't grow if you're safe about the choices you make," insists Heath Ledger.


He’s talking about his latest role as one of the many faces of Bob Dylan depicted in Todd Haynes’ I’m Not There, an impressionistic docu-drama reflecting Dylan’s kaleidoscopic life.

Ledger’s next role is as The Joker in Christopher Nolan’s follow-up Batman film, The Dark Knight, a performance that was described by co-star Michael Caine as “the scariest ever”.


But “no amount of money changes what I do between ‘action’ and ‘cut’,” Ledger says. “Before I got into the industry, I never imagined I’d have anywhere near the money I have now.


http://www.heathheathens.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=1283&hl=
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on December 01, 2007, 02:57:08 PM
(http://buzznet-10.vo.llnwd.net/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2007/11/joker-heath-ledger.jpg)


Earlier this week, Heath Ledger graced the cover of Empire Magazine’s January 2008 issue as the Joker. And now, a new image of has surfaced online via Wizard magazine (see left).

Empire has an interactive magazine of its latest issue but here are some interview snippets:

On a great deal of trepidation when approached for the part of the Joker: “I definitely feared it. Anything that makes me afraid I guess excites me at the same time. I don’t know if I was fearless, but I certainly had to put on a brave face and believe that I have something up my sleeve. Something different.”

On how he prepared the Joker’s sinister voice and laugh: “I sat around in a hotel room in London for about a month, locked myself away, formed a little diary and experimented with voices — it was important to try to find a somewhat iconic voice and laugh. I ended up landing more in the realm of a psychopath — someone with very little to no conscience towards his acts. He’s just an absolute sociopath, a cold-blooded, mass-murdering clown, and Chris [Nolan] has given me free rein. Which is fun because there are no real boundaries to what The Joker would say or do. Nothing intimidates him, and everything is a big joke.”

The Dark Knight arrives in theaters nationwide on July 18, 2008.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on December 02, 2007, 12:12:15 PM
(http://buzznet-12.vo.llnwd.net/media-cdn/jj1/headlines/2007/12/heath-ledger-joker-menacing.jpg)

Here are the latest shots of Heath Ledger as the Joker and Christian Bale as Batman via AICN.

The Dark Knight has a tentative release date of July 25, 2008. Filming concluded last month.

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2007/12/02/heath-ledger-joker-menacing/
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on December 02, 2007, 12:14:02 PM
Thanks Lola, he looks hilarious as the Joker! Can't wait to see the movie! :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on December 02, 2007, 12:32:07 PM
Thanks Lola, he looks hilarious as the Joker! Can't wait to see the movie! :)

I think it is going to be a dark one! I still love the old series.

(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/cccccarol/reeseandjake/batman300.jpg)


 :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on December 02, 2007, 12:40:30 PM
Lol, Batman and Robin! Cute!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: trekfan on December 02, 2007, 04:11:58 PM
Thanks Lola.    Heath's joker is going to be VERY scary.    I can't wait to see what kind of dark place he had to go to to get this performance out of himself 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on December 02, 2007, 07:02:49 PM
Roco posted a whole set on the Heath Planet thread, too...
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on December 03, 2007, 06:10:59 AM
If you click on the link, the pics are all inside.

I never know whether to post about the movie here, or on the other thread!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on December 03, 2007, 09:58:31 AM
I never know whether to post about the movie here, or on the other thread!

This is a serious Heath discussion thread. I thought that any Heath pics are welcoming to the planet thread but
regarding any Joker Heath, we have the dedicated thread for 'The Dark Knight' 2008 release, Lola! :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: WintersGrass on December 03, 2007, 02:43:29 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/movies/moviesspecial/04lyal.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Sorry if this has been posted before.

I'm amazed that he gives such a detailed view on his private life. I like they way the interviewer descibes the house.

“Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night,” he said. “I couldn’t stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.” One night he took an Ambien, which failed to work. He took a second one and fell into a stupor, only to wake up an hour later, his mind still racing.


Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on December 03, 2007, 02:57:26 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/movies/moviesspecial/04lyal.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Sorry if this has been posted before.

I'm amazed that he gives such a detailed view on his private life. I like they way the interviewer descibes the house.

“Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night,” he said. “I couldn’t stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.” One night he took an Ambien, which failed to work. He took a second one and fell into a stupor, only to wake up an hour later, his mind still racing.

Definitely one of the better interviews, thanks!



Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: NWWaguy on December 04, 2007, 12:53:29 AM
Update on BOMojo:  http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=imnotthere.htm

Domestic:  $1,702,145    62.1%
+ Foreign:  $1,037,555    37.9%
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
= Worldwide:  $2,739,700     
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: afhickman on December 04, 2007, 01:21:20 AM
"I'm Not There" received two positive endorsements (that's "thumbs up" to the unitiated) on Ebert and Roeper's At the Movies this weekend (video available on the Ebert and Roeper site).  Guest critic Michael Phillips "went for it," claiming top acting honors for Cate Blanchett and then attributing some of the film's most "compelling" moments to Heath Ledger.  Roeper also enjoyed "every aspect of it," including the story of Ledger and Charlotte Gainsbourg's doomed marriage.  So not all critics are panning the film.  Phillips and Roeper saw it as a kind of anthology film, composed of six mini-films, and that's not a bad approach to take.  If you get tired of the plotline at any point in the film, stick around: it's about to change.  Neither critic mentioned the music, by the way; they just liked the film.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: afhickman on December 13, 2007, 06:26:58 AM
I just saw Heath and Matt Damon in the Brothers Grimm.  Grim, indeed!  Damon might as well be the Pillsbury Doughboy for all the acting you're going to get out of him, but Heath--ah, there's another story.  He is incandescent in the role of Jacob.  When he's on the screen not only does the movie work but you can't keep your eyes off of him.  Even hiding behind a scruffy beard, Heath is a commanding presence.  He steals every scene he's in, and that's saying something, with all the eye-popping CGI business going on around him.  The film is hardly a feather in anybody's cap, but Heath survives it rather nicely, thank you, and it's good to see that he has maintained his flair for comedy. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on December 13, 2007, 06:35:02 AM
I agree..he is a character actor on top of everything else...I inadvertently let my dvd go in a garage sale before I moved, and I could kick myself! When the holidays are over, I'll go buy another copy..I really, really enjoyed that movie.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on December 13, 2007, 07:01:05 AM
"I'm Not There" received two positive endorsements (that's "thumbs up" to the unitiated) on Ebert and Roeper's At the Movies this weekend (video available on the Ebert and Roeper site).  Guest critic Michael Phillips "went for it," claiming top acting honors for Cate Blanchett and then attributing some of the film's most "compelling" moments to Heath Ledger.  Roeper also enjoyed "every aspect of it," including the story of Ledger and Charlotte Gainsbourg's doomed marriage.  So not all critics are panning the film.  Phillips and Roeper saw it as a kind of anthology film, composed of six mini-films, and that's not a bad approach to take.  If you get tired of the plotline at any point in the film, stick around: it's about to change.  Neither critic mentioned the music, by the way; they just liked the film.

I should check Rotten Tomatoes because I'm not aware of too many critics panning I'm Not There.  Of course, I've only read the local reviews here which have all been good to excellent (the ones that matter anyway), one even calling it the most intelligent film of the year.  And I'll say again, Heath and Charlotte together is one of the most inspired pairing I've seen in a long time, the chemistry between them was strong. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: rnmina on December 14, 2007, 06:16:02 AM
I  don't have time to read replies...My son as folks on Lashers  already know has driven to nuts with Joker talk...He saw the 7 minute trailer last night at the IMAX and is still jumping for joy...here it is...This  is the joker of my  dreams....never ever realized on screen. HEATH LEDGER IS A  A FUKIN GENUUS!  Enjoy Heath while this  clip lasts...



http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35061
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on December 14, 2007, 07:55:34 AM
I  don't have time to read replies...My son as folks on Lashers  already know has driven to nuts with Joker talk...He saw the 7 minute trailer last night at the IMAX and is still jumping for joy...here it is...This  is the joker of my  dreams....never ever realized on screen. HEATH LEDGER IS A  A FUKIN GENUUS!  Enjoy Heath while this  clip lasts...



http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35061

OMG!  Thank you!  Eat your heart out, Jack Nicholson!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: NWWaguy on December 15, 2007, 12:00:50 AM
News on Heath and 'Parnassus':  http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117977723.html?categoryid=19&cs=1
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on December 15, 2007, 02:48:08 AM
Thanks for the link about Heath and "Parnassus"    :D

oops just realised i clicked on the wrong smiley....i meant this one  :) to be there   
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: andy/Claude on December 15, 2007, 03:46:08 PM
Looks like Heath's Joker's gonna blow the proverbial socks off!!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: rnmina on December 15, 2007, 04:08:23 PM
They can't  keep a Joker fan--like me--DOWN...from You tube..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0iOjOaLwuw
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: afhickman on December 16, 2007, 03:14:12 AM
I love Heath, and to me he can do no wrong.  But I'm worried from the previews that his Joker looks a lot like Brandon Lee's Crow.  I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ben Franklin on December 19, 2007, 01:38:14 AM
I am DISAPPOINTED! I am seriously disappointed, crestfallen and sad: Heath backed out of Terrence Malick's Tree of Live!  :'(  :'(  :'( Now Brad Pitt is in talks to replace him in his role. It would have been so wonderful, to see Heath in a Malick film, side by side with Sean Penn. As it seemed, Heath really looked forward to it. And so did I! I don't know what has happened, and why Heath isn't anymore in the project.   ??? But I surely am disappointed, I am seriously disappointed...

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117977922.html?categoryid=13&cs=1 (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117977922.html?categoryid=13&cs=1)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on December 19, 2007, 03:38:30 AM
Oh drat. Oh well, maybe something else is on the horizon. It may be that he's decided to revisit an old project  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on December 19, 2007, 04:16:32 AM
I'd like to know why he backed out? :(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on December 19, 2007, 04:47:34 AM
Often it's just a matter of scheduling. Commitments clash. It must be difficult making a film with exactly the cast you want.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ellye on December 19, 2007, 07:29:10 AM
The story just appeared on Digital Spy!  ;D




Pitt to replace Ledger in 'Tree Of Life'?
Wednesday, December 19 2007, 13:05 GMT

By Kimberley Dadds


Brad Pitt is in talks to replace Heath Ledger as the lead character in forthcoming movie Tree Of Life, according to Variety.

Ledger signed up to play opposite Sean Penn in the film that was written and will be directed by Terrence Malick, but no reason has been given for his departure. Penn is still expected to appear.

Pitt recently dropped out of State Of Play and was replaced by Australian actor Russell Crowe. No deals have been agreed with either Pitt or Penn for Malick's film.

Shooting on Tree Of Life is due to start early next year.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on December 19, 2007, 07:49:17 AM
If filming begins early next year, then Heath is tied up with Dr Parnassus until March. These things happen.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on December 19, 2007, 07:57:16 AM
If filming begins early next year, then Heath is tied up with Dr Parnassus until March. These things happen.

He may also be publisizing The Dark Knight.

That's always a lot of work!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on December 19, 2007, 10:19:58 AM
Then there is hope that this new Teri Gilliam (sp?) film will be better than Brothers Grimm. If i had to choose i'd do Malicks film. Hope he won't regret it! :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: trekfan on December 19, 2007, 01:44:29 PM
WOW it would have been nice to know Heath had another film lined up after Imaginarium wraps.  But I have no doubt he'll be offered another role.  And after everyone sees his Joker I bet he'll be even MORE sought after than he is right now
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CellarDweller115 on December 23, 2007, 02:46:30 PM
I don't think we need to worry about Heath lining up more work.  Everything he's done seems to get great reviews, and I believe that he'll always be on call for future projects.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on December 27, 2007, 11:24:13 AM
I am pretty sure he's reached the point where he doesn't even have to read for a part-they call him, and offer him the money. He is strictly A- status, and you don't really read at that point, unless you are working with a truly original director-then even a- listers will read for them. I'd think Ang Lee would do this, if he felt he should,a nd most actors would jump at the chance.

Did I say how much I'm disliking Nicholson's crochety comments about Heath getting the Joker role? get over yourself, Jack.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on December 27, 2007, 09:40:48 PM
Heath has said that he follows his heart when choosing parts. I'm not sure which part of his heart decided to go with the Joker but I'm glad it did. He's made it pretty clear that whatever he does will always be done with the aims of stretching himself, learning something new, creating something meaningful, etc. not just paying off the mortgage.

*hunts around for quote*

"I just follow my heart on my projects and give it my best but there is always further to go and more to learn."
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oceansbetween on December 28, 2007, 05:23:35 AM
More Heath Ledger on the Joker (http://www.themovieblog.com/2006/09/more-heath-ledger-on-the-joker) from The Movie Blog
On his getting the coveted role of the Joker…
“You have to remember I watched those films as a boy and me and my mates used to play Batman in the streets, so I’ve kinda had a knowledge of the characters and the mythos, I’ve wanted to do something that could cement me and after viewing Batman Begins I was interested in working with Nolan. When I was contacted I was not super keen on the idea but after learning about the things they wanted to do I became very interested in the Joker. It’s an actor’s dream to play an icon role and the Joker is so far removed from anything I’ve done yet that I am looking forward to it and to the ideas that were presented to me.”
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on December 30, 2007, 06:21:13 PM
What an odd interview. It sounds as though he's taking the piss occasionally.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pies1993 on January 01, 2008, 04:55:40 PM
 ???okay this does'nt make any sense  on the usa today website or blog a reporter  there made a comment about the Washington Post 30th annual of whats in and out for the year he or she said hello Emile Hirsch bye bye Heath Ledger
But when i looked up and read the in and out list on the Washington Post website Heath was the one on the In category as the joker  not the out category.
so i don't understand why the usa today reporter he or she put bye-bye heath ledger when heath is the one on the in category not the out category on the  Washington post 3oth annual what in and out list for year.
  :(( obiviously the reporter on the usa today website or blog got his or her information wrong.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on January 05, 2008, 07:40:20 AM
Stars come out at the Somerville

21st December 2007, 14:30 WST

It wasn’t just stars on screen at the Somerville Outdoor cinema last night; there were a couple in the audience as well.

Home grown supermodel Gemma Ward and Hollywood hunk Heath Ledger were both spotted at the trendy summer cinema last night, catching the screening of Outsourced, a US film about man who has to travel to Bombay when his company shifts its operations there.

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=22&ContentID=51915
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on January 05, 2008, 07:52:24 AM
Another article about him and Gemma: http://www2.skynews.com.au/showbiz/article.aspx?id=210111 (http://www2.skynews.com.au/showbiz/article.aspx?id=210111)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on January 05, 2008, 09:36:46 AM
Stars come out at the Somerville

21st December 2007, 14:30 WST

It wasn’t just stars on screen at the Somerville Outdoor cinema last night; there were a couple in the audience as well.

Home grown supermodel Gemma Ward and Hollywood hunk Heath Ledger were both spotted at the trendy summer cinema last night, catching the screening of Outsourced, a US film about man who has to travel to Bombay when his company shifts its operations there.

http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=22&ContentID=51915
Tx for posting that....it contains one of my fave headshots of Heath.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on January 05, 2008, 09:42:03 AM
Another article about him and Gemma: http://www2.skynews.com.au/showbiz/article.aspx?id=210111 (http://www2.skynews.com.au/showbiz/article.aspx?id=210111)

(http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5825516,00.jpg)

She looks kind of odd!  :D   And only 20 WOW!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on January 05, 2008, 10:52:31 AM
I agree, sometimes she looks odd, but sometimes she looks very pretty, like here:

(http://nymag.com/images/2/daily/showandtalk/07/02/02_gemma2_lgl)

At least we can rely on him exclusively choosing blondes lately to be his girlfriends. ;)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on January 05, 2008, 10:57:54 AM
I think i found out why she sometimes looks weird, it's the head, she has a really small head, or maybe i'm just seeing things...

(http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/Ward_reuters_600.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on January 05, 2008, 01:58:53 PM
I think i found out why she sometimes looks weird, it's the head, she has a really small head, or maybe i'm just seeing things...

(http://blogs.news.com.au/images/uploads/Ward_reuters_600.jpg)

She is kind of cute!  Time will tell I guess, if they are together, I am sure we will be seeing/hearing more about her!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lorna59 on January 05, 2008, 02:17:11 PM
There was a full page article on "I'm Not There" in "The Advertiser", Adelaide, Australia, 5 January 2008 by Erin McWhirter.  The article is mainly about Cate Blanchett and Heath Ledger.

Here are some of the more interesting extracts:

""I couldn't believe that the first day of shooting was doing this intense sex scene with Heath", Gainsbourg, 36, says from her home in Paris, France.  "I said to Todd "Did you do this on purpose? It's embarrassing", and he agreed.  He was embarrassed too. The three of us were embarrassed because Heath and I had to be completely naked.  But it was a pleasure to work with Ledger. He's just a very generous guy and is was a real, real pleasure."

"As for Brokeback Mountain, Casanova and Candy star Ledger, Haynes says he is an incredible star who he knows will succeed in the behind-the-scenes film-making ventures he seeks. "Heath is going to be an amazing director", Haynes says. "He is so gifted and has such sensitivity and intelligence.  When I sent him the script, we met and he really liked the unorthodox approach and thought that really preserved something true about the subject rather than going about in a more traditional way.

"It was such an honour to work with Heath and Cate. I can't express how deep my regard is for them as people and as performers."

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Heath4Ever on January 05, 2008, 02:24:51 PM
If you watch the "Making Of" Brokeback extra on the DVD, you will see Heath looking at the day's filming rushes on camera, conversing with Ang Lee about shots etc.  Also, Christopher Nolan has also been quoted as stating that he likes the way Heath thinks through how he will play a part, how it will be shot, the backdrop etc.

So you article from Adelaide is not a huge surprise to me.  We all know he's got what it takes, right?

I am sure he will be a director one day, and will probably turn his hand at other jobs in the film industry too.  He certainly seems to have a director's 'eye' when it comes to dissecting characters.

Have a great day

Heath 4 Oscar

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on January 05, 2008, 08:31:59 PM
Another article about him and Gemma: http://www2.skynews.com.au/showbiz/article.aspx?id=210111 (http://www2.skynews.com.au/showbiz/article.aspx?id=210111)

(http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5825516,00.jpg)

She looks kind of odd!  :D   And only 20 WOW!
Its the eyes..far apart.  And she's a tall one, for a change. ;) She looks alot more mature than you'd expect of a 20 year old, but that's something we see often today; people accomplish alot more earlier in life; IMO Heath only sometimes looks as young as he is, IMO.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on January 08, 2008, 10:31:01 AM
Heath, Gemma sighting:
Quote
We were at Little Creatures on boxing day, we were sitting two tables across from them and Heath actually has a tattoo on his arm that says GEMMA in a fancy looking love heart. Obviously it's true love!!

Link: http://www.loconut.com.au/News/Gemma-Ward-Shock-Revelation-13837/defau%20%20%20lt.aspx (http://www.loconut.com.au/News/Gemma-Ward-Shock-Revelation-13837/defau%20%20%20lt.aspx)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on January 08, 2008, 01:12:15 PM
Heath, Gemma sighting:
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We were at Little Creatures on boxing day, we were sitting two tables across from them and Heath actually has a tattoo on his arm that says GEMMA in a fancy looking love heart. Obviously it's true love!!

Link: http://www.loconut.com.au/News/Gemma-Ward-Shock-Revelation-13837/defau%20%20%20lt.aspx (http://www.loconut.com.au/News/Gemma-Ward-Shock-Revelation-13837/defau%20%20%20lt.aspx)

Is he using his body as a bedpost and tattoos as notches? Man, I have to stop paying attention to all the gossip before I start disliking Heath!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on January 17, 2008, 05:55:31 AM
Is he using his body as a bedpost and tattoos as notches? Man, I have to stop paying attention to all the gossip before I start disliking Heath!

Thanks for the info. ynnaf, but I personally don't know how reliable the source is and don't believe any of these gossips until some picture comes out with that tatoo and them together ( or before paps take their photos, they might even break-up by then.....!?!?  ;D)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on January 17, 2008, 06:21:23 AM
I would like to put some of his old interviews' link and quotes for this thread as archive.
Perhapse some of the Heathens already read these before but I found this interview with Matt Damon & Heath during their Brothers' Grimm promotion (or were they in Venis Film Festival together?) was interesting.

http://uk.movies.ign.com/articles/644/644232p1.html
Interview: Matt Damon and Heath Ledger
A talk with the Brothers Grimm.

*extract*

Q: Heath, what is Candy about?

LEDGER: It's a love story between two junkies. It was a pretty intense film. I got a scar on my face here, and that was from knocking myself out. I gave myself a black eye. We really took it like this in the shower. It gave a black eye. We're both like stillborn babies. It was a trip. We took it to another level.

Q: So it's a studio film?

LEDGER: Yeah, straight down the line. (Laughs) Abbie Cornish, she was in Somersault. She's a brilliant actress.

Q: Can you talk about Casanova?
LEDGER: Sure. I mean look, it's certainly not Fellini's Cassanova. It's Lasse Hallstrom's/Walt Disney. It's a straight up romp, it's a comedy, and it's really entertaining hopefully. It's funny, hopefully. And that's it. I'm really, it has Oliver Platt and Jeremy Irons. It's a real ensemble piece, you know? The weight's certainly not on my shoulders.

DAMON: Oh yes it is.

Q: How was your experience on Brokeback Mountain?

LEDGER: I mean, look, it was kinda like signing up for boot camp for I don't even know how mahy weeks I was out there, 15 weeks or something, but it was tough. It was a lonely experience, but it was definitely a real sense of accomplishment once I finished. It scared me s**tless. I was absolutely – I had so much fear for the project and the story and, you know, had to be brave. I definitely came out thinking, 'F**k, I can do anything' you know? It was a beautiful story, a beautiful script.

Q: Can you elaborate on what scared you?

LEDGER: You know, the idea I had to make out with Jake Gyllenhaal for one, which, just wasn't the easiest thing to do.

DAMON: You found making out with me pretty easy though.

LEDGER: It was dark and I was drunk. (Laughs) This was daytime and there was a lot of lights. (Laughs) You know, so that, it was just I had to do some things I've never done before. It was also like the aging process, I had to age from 18 to 40 and do that subtly. And there's not a lot of change between the age of 18 and 40 really. So I decided to do it in my accent. I staged my accent in pitches, so it was higher when I was younger and deeper when I was older and I tried to make it subtle. I've seen the film and I think it's, I'm not sure whether it's the most brilliant film I've seen or just the worst film I've seen. I've just come to terms with the fact now that I cannot transport myself when I watch myself in movies any more. I just think I'm crap in anything I do.

DAMON: I heard the sex scenes are really good though. (Laughs)

Q: How many sex scenes are in it?

LEDGER: I mean, look, there's enough. You'll be pleased I think, hopefully. We're not dry humping each other in every scene. It's a beautiful love story, it really is, and we've definitely pushed the envelope.

Q: Is that what draws you to a project?

LEDGER: Dry humping. (Laughs) Yeah, absolutely. I think I would get bored if I was doing the same thing over and over again.

DAMON: That's a beautiful script, Brokeback. I read it years ago. In fact, I was gonna do it years ago. Gus (Van Sant)  read it and wanted to do it after Good Will Hunting and I read it and I loved it. But I was going off to do Ripley and then All the Pretty Horses.
So I said, 'Gus, I'm going to do a movie about, quite frankly, a guy who's gay, and then I'm going to do a movie about a cowboy. I shouldn't then just do a gay cowboy movie.' (Laughs) But I loved that script, I loved it. Larry McMurtry [wrote it].


(http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff316/silver7red/heathbrothersgrimm27.jpg)
Is this THE making out scene they are talking about!?! ???  :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on January 17, 2008, 06:56:57 AM
You know, the idea I had to make out with Jake Gyllenhaal for one, which, just wasn't the easiest thing to do.

Well, he said that in the interview above but he joked and said in totally opposit thing about it at Jay Leno tv chat show interview according to this article.
Very Heath... Did anyone see this chat show on tv!? ???

Heath's gay turn
March 21, 2004(http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/03/21/1079823229172.html)

Heath Ledger says it's tough playing a gay cowboy.

Shooting love scenes in the film Brokeback Mountain with another Hollywood heart-throb, Jake Gyllenhaal, apparently will not be the hardest part.

Ledger has been ordered to the gym to bulk up for the role and confessed to a huge American television audience yesterday he is not a gym junkie.

"Oddly enough it's the one job that I've been asked to build up on and kind of work out," Ledger told top-rating US talk show host Jay Leno on The Tonight Show.

"You'd think you would kind of build up and work out to play a superhero or something, but it ends up being for a gay cowboy story."

Ledger just returned from a surfing trip with friends in Costa Rica and joked that catching waves, stretching or "yoga in bed" were the only forms of exercise he enjoyed.

"It's been really tough to have to lift weights. It's just terrible," Ledger complained.

The 24-year-old was encouraged by girlfriend Naomi Watts to take the gig as a cowboy who falls in love with a ranch hand in 1960s Montana.

The Aussie actor was in a good mood as Leno baited him about the role.

"Now who are you? Are you really 'butch' Cassidy?" Leno asked.

Ledger also joked the film was a "musical comedy" and he and Gyllenhaal played "sheep herders".

"It's a gorgeous script and God Jake's cute," said a smiling Ledger.

Leno replied: "I'm not even going to ask you about that audition."

Ledger is on the publicity circuit in America promoting Ned Kelly, which despite opening in Australian cinemas last year, only hits US theatres this Friday.

Leno gave the Australian-made film his thumbs up, however he had trouble explaining the plot to his American audience.
"It's a western," Leno said.
"That sounds silly, but it's a western in Australia basically.
"Well, what we would call a western."

During the interview Ledger encouraged Leno to try on a replica of the famous head armour the bushranger wore.

With only Leno's eyes peering out of the slot in the armour, the talk show host said: "How kinky is this? Well, I'm ready to play the gay cowboy."

Ledger responded: "You've got your protection on there Jay."
- AAP
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Queen_Beruthiel on January 17, 2008, 10:47:42 AM
Quote
DAMON: That's a beautiful script, Brokeback. I read it years ago. In fact, I was gonna do it years ago. Gus (Van Sant)  read it and wanted to do it after Good Will Hunting and I read it and I loved it. But I was going off to do Ripley and then All the Pretty Horses.
So I said, 'Gus, I'm going to do a movie about, quite frankly, a guy who's gay, and then I'm going to do a movie about a cowboy. I shouldn't then just do a gay cowboy movie.' (Laughs) But I loved that script, I loved it. Larry McMurtry [wrote it].


I love Matt.  :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on January 17, 2008, 10:59:07 AM
I love Matt.  :D

Me too! QB.
So does Heath! I'm sure he said that during the BG promotion but I haven't got the article saved. >:(

Matt is such a clever and very very nice person!
Everytime I read/see his interviews I'm always amazed by how clever he is and love his sense of humor too.
I would love to see them together again in a film.

But I'm glad that he didn't do BBM so that we had Heath & Jake with Ang instead!! :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on January 17, 2008, 03:39:05 PM

Heath made it onto Empire Magazine's list of 100 sexiest stars ... at #79.

http://www.empireonline.com/100sexiest/default.asp?star=79
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on January 17, 2008, 05:47:14 PM
I love Matt.  :D

Me too! QB.
So does Heath! I'm sure he said that during the BG promotion but I haven't got the article saved. >:(

Matt is such a clever and very very nice person!
Everytime I read/see his interviews I'm always amazed by how clever he is and love his sense of humor too.
I would love to see them together again in a film.

But I'm glad that he didn't do BBM so that we had Heath & Jake with Ang instead!! :D

I'm a Matt fan too. I saw a long interview he did and just liked him from then on. He's so normal and nice and wise. A bit like Heath
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on January 30, 2008, 08:05:23 AM
Its hard to look at Marian's last post..its the BLT post, the last one Before Last Tuesday...so much enjoyment we were all having over Heath and this and that...

I just read an article in Entertainment Weekly, and I'm paraphrasing, but the mag writer said something about Heath along the lines, that he came to a point where he wanted to go much 'deeper' into his roles, beyond the whole pin-up boy thing..How brilliant and pre-cognicant of him, in a way, to know that all it takes to end up typecast forever, is time. And he understood clearly, there is not much of that in one's life, relative to history. He made his mark early and powerfully; he knew in his early twenties what many people don't realize until they are 45 and are sitting there going,'what happened to my life?' Heath was not about to do that. It is clear, from his choice of roles. He had an idea in his head, and he knew what he wanted-I admire that and feel happy for him in that regard. I think how fortunate fate was that gave to him and the world a legacy of his wonderful little girl beyond his film art and his various kindnesses to people. It's a bit shocking to think its only been two years and some change since BBM came out-two years only.

I find myself wondering if BBM was his mission in a way.

I cannot help but look forward to his work in TDK and "The Imaginarium.....". I'll take another sad look at INT, too, another film I've been meaning to re-experience. Have not yet been able to go back to BBM yet..too sad. But soon. :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on January 30, 2008, 08:16:59 AM
Its hard to look at Marian's last post..its the BLT post, the last one Before Last Tuesday...so much enjoyment we were all having over Heath and this and that...

I just read an article in Entertainment Weekly, and I'm paraphrasing, but the mag writer said something about Heath along the lines, that he came to a point where he wanted to go much 'deeper' into his roles, beyond the whole pin-up boy thing..How brilliant and pre-cognicant of him, in a way, to know that all it takes to end up typecast forever, is time. And he understood clearly, there is not much of that in one's life, relative to history. He made his mark early and powerfully; he knew in his early twenties what many people don't realize until they are 45 and are sitting there going,'what happened to my life?' Heath was not about to do that. It is clear, from his choice of roles. He had an idea in his head, and he knew what he wanted-I admire that and feel happy for him in that regard. I think how fortunate fate was that gave to him and the world a legacy of his wonderful little girl beyond his film art and his various kindnesses to people. It's a bit shocking to think its only been two years and some change since BBM came out-two years only.

I find myself wondering if BBM was his mission in a way.

I cannot help but look forward to his work in TDK and "The Imaginarium.....". I'll take another sad look at INT, too, another film I've been meaning to re-experience. Have not yet been able to go back to BBM yet..too sad. But soon. :)

I read somewhere that Heath was pretty much set to direct his first feature, a story about chess but I can't remember the title, and that he himself was an amazing chess player.  The article said that he was planning on getting his grand master certification.  I didn't even know you could get chess certifications, lol!  Not jsut another pretty face, that's for sure.  God I miss him!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on January 30, 2008, 08:30:40 AM
  http://news.scotsman.com/uk/39My-friend-Heath-would-never.3715399.jp

(...) Shiach added that Ledger was making practical plans right up to the day he died about The Queen's Gambit and other matters. "I spoke to him last week about the schedule and the budget and we were to meet this coming week, on Monday and Tuesday in London. We were down to casting details and things."

Ledger was going to act in the film, as well as direct it. They had offered the lead role to Ellen Page, the Oscar-nominated new star of the comedy Juno. They were waiting for her to confirm acceptance and were planning to shoot in North America and Russia this year.

Shiach, who works in the movie business under the name Allan Scott, revealed Ledger had also set himself a personal goal. "One of his reasons for being interested in The Queen's Gambit was the fact that he was a very, very advanced chess player. He was in fact very close to grandmaster and he said to me he thought he would try and go for grandmaster before we started shooting the movie."

The Queen's Gambit is based on a novel by Walter Tevis, whose other works include The Hustler, The Color Of Money and The Man Who Fell To Earth, all of which have been filmed.

Its central character is Beth Harmon, who grows up in a Kentucky orphanage, where the children are given tranquillisers to keep them quiet. She learns to play chess with the janitor. She proves a teenage phenomenon, but has become addicted to drugs and is also a habitual thief.

Shiach has had the film rights to The Queen's Gambit for 20 years and wrote the screenplay. At various stages actress Molly Ringwald and the late Italian film director Bernardo Bertolucci were involved.

Ledger, who made his Hollywood debut in 10 Things I Hate About You in 1999, persuaded Shiach to let him direct on the strength of music videos and commercials he had directed. "We worked for about a week in New York and then we worked briefly in LA and then we worked quite a lot in London, because he was in London a lot last year, with Batman as well as the Terry Gilliam film."(...)

 "He was a lovely and modest and decent and nice man, and how sad it is that we have lost the immense potential that he had. I think he was extraordinary, because he was a very, very thoughtful person."
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on January 30, 2008, 08:37:26 AM
  http://news.scotsman.com/uk/39My-friend-Heath-would-never.3715399.jp

(...) Shiach added that Ledger was making practical plans right up to the day he died about The Queen's Gambit and other matters. "I spoke to him last week about the schedule and the budget and we were to meet this coming week, on Monday and Tuesday in London. We were down to casting details and things."

Ledger was going to act in the film, as well as direct it. They had offered the lead role to Ellen Page, the Oscar-nominated new star of the comedy Juno. They were waiting for her to confirm acceptance and were planning to shoot in North America and Russia this year.

Shiach, who works in the movie business under the name Allan Scott, revealed Ledger had also set himself a personal goal. "One of his reasons for being interested in The Queen's Gambit was the fact that he was a very, very advanced chess player. He was in fact very close to grandmaster and he said to me he thought he would try and go for grandmaster before we started shooting the movie."

The Queen's Gambit is based on a novel by Walter Tevis, whose other works include The Hustler, The Color Of Money and The Man Who Fell To Earth, all of which have been filmed.

Its central character is Beth Harmon, who grows up in a Kentucky orphanage, where the children are given tranquillisers to keep them quiet. She learns to play chess with the janitor. She proves a teenage phenomenon, but has become addicted to drugs and is also a habitual thief.

Shiach has had the film rights to The Queen's Gambit for 20 years and wrote the screenplay. At various stages actress Molly Ringwald and the late Italian film director Bernardo Bertolucci were involved.
Ledger, who made his Hollywood debut in 10 Things I Hate About You in 1999, persuaded Shiach to let him direct on the strength of music videos and commercials he had directed. "We worked for about a week in New York and then we worked briefly in LA and then we worked quite a lot in London, because he was in London a lot last year, with Batman as well as the Terry Gilliam film."(...)

 "He was a lovely and modest and decent and nice man, and how sad it is that we have lost the immense potential that he had. I think he was extraordinary, because he was a very, very thoughtful person."



Thanks frunner,  yours has more information.  I'm sure I'm behind on my news, I've been avoiding the Grieving threads lately, I just couldn't take it any more.


Anyway I found the article that I read it in:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-autopsy24jan24,1,5200680.story?ctrack=1&cset=true (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-autopsy24jan24,1,5200680.story?ctrack=1&cset=true)

Excerpt:
For the last year, Ledger also had been gearing up for his directorial debut, working with veteran screenwriter Allan Scott on an adaptation of the Walter Tevis novel "The Queen's Gambit," about an orphan girl who becomes a chess prodigy. Scott said they recently offered the part to "Juno" star Ellen Page.

"The movie is about chess, and what is a little known fact is that Heath was very close to being on the grandmaster level," said Scott, who met and spoke to the actor frequently over the last year in New York and London. "He was a chess whiz, and he intended to get his grandmaster rating before he started shooting the picture."

When the script fell into Ledger's hands, the young actor aced out competitors and persuaded Scott to let him direct. "He had done some talented music videos and commercials," said Scott, who was impressed by how Ledger spoke about the material and by his devotion to the project.

"He was modest and talented and didn't like celebrity," Scott said, adding that in recent months Ledger "was very upset by his separation [from fiancee Michelle Williams] because of the child. He adored the child."


Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on January 30, 2008, 08:44:16 AM

Oilgun, I love this sigline tryptich Heath pic of yours. It's truly stunning!

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on January 30, 2008, 09:10:57 AM

Oilgun, I love this sigline tryptich Heath pic of yours. It's truly stunning!



Thank you, it's an amazingly beautiful painting!  I'd love to see the original which is bigger than life-size.  Here's a pic of it with the artist (You can see the name Matilda tatooed in red over Heath's heart  :'():

(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w197/oilgun/heath_Fantauzzo-Portrait.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on January 30, 2008, 09:23:28 AM

Do you know if the artist is gay (just curious)?

He is himself a very handsome man.

On the pic Heath looks certainly like Heath, but also a bit like Willem Dafoe, Bob Marley, and the main actor in Jesus Christ Superstar.

Thx for the information(s).

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on January 30, 2008, 09:39:57 AM

Do you know if the artist is gay (just curious)?

He is himself a very handsome man.

On the pic Heath looks certainly like Heath, but also a bit like Willem Dafoe, Bob Marley, and the main actor in Jesus Christ Superstar.

Thx for the information(s).



I don't know much about the artist, Vincent Fantauzzo, except that he was a friend of Heath's.  Here are a few links:

http://www.smh.com.au/news/arts/ledger-picture-only-tells-half-the-story/2008/01/25/1201157615731.html (http://www.smh.com.au/news/arts/ledger-picture-only-tells-half-the-story/2008/01/25/1201157615731.html)

http://www.mareemizongallery.com.au/artist-profile.asp?idArtistInfo=144&idArtist=1380 (http://www.mareemizongallery.com.au/artist-profile.asp?idArtistInfo=144&idArtist=1380)

http://www.diannetanzergallery.net.au/artist/Vincent-Fantauzzo/previous.htm (http://www.diannetanzergallery.net.au/artist/Vincent-Fantauzzo/previous.htm)

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/stars-portrait-has-artist-in-a-bind/2008/01/24/1201157560392.html (http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/stars-portrait-has-artist-in-a-bind/2008/01/24/1201157560392.html)

http://taylorsentertainmentnews.com/index.php/2008/01/27/heath-ledgers-final-painting/ (http://taylorsentertainmentnews.com/index.php/2008/01/27/heath-ledgers-final-painting/)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on January 30, 2008, 09:41:46 AM

Merci, oilgun!

Much appreciated.

Btw, do I know your first name?  ;)

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on January 30, 2008, 09:45:53 AM

Merci, oilgun!

Much appreciated.

Btw, do I know your first name?  ;)



My name is Gil (pronounced like the French Gilles ), Pleased to meet you Ingmar!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on January 30, 2008, 09:47:24 AM

The pleasure is all mine, dearest Gil, since we've already been exchanging numerous POV on movies and music lately! I enjoy that very much.

Bonsoir cher Gil, alors!  ;)

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on January 30, 2008, 03:20:07 PM
RE: chess-I mentioned privately to another poster than Bobby Fischer passed away 5 days before Heath-anyone remember the games between Fischer and Boris Spassky in the 70's? I wonder if he may have been one of Heath's idols..odd coincidence.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: afhickman on January 31, 2008, 12:14:24 AM
I can appreciate the artistry, but this is NOT the way I want to remember Heath.  It's like pulling back the curtain on his soul.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on January 31, 2008, 03:58:01 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

What are you referring to, afhickman?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: andy/Claude on January 31, 2008, 04:02:45 AM
He must be referring to the painting Jo... and I tend to agree... not one that i would want to look at too often.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on January 31, 2008, 04:05:28 AM
That's what I was thinking, too......He doesn't look happy in it-understatement!-, but there is an irony to it, with the different parts of him pulling at him and kind of mocking him. It seems like something he'd enjoy conceptually...Good morning, by the way!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on January 31, 2008, 04:07:03 AM
I'm going to crash for a few hours before work.....good night to all.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: afhickman on January 31, 2008, 06:03:44 AM
Yes, I was referring to the painting.  Maybe at another time,...but just now I find it disturbing.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on January 31, 2008, 08:06:43 AM

I thought the painting was a perfect tribute, Heath sat for it and was looking forward to seeing it completed.  Plus the artist was a friend of his and it's beautiful!  However I can understand how Heath's expression can be disturbing under the circumstances and I certainly don't want to upset people so I'll remove it from my sig.  :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: andy/Claude on January 31, 2008, 08:42:28 AM
Yes, I was referring to the painting.  Maybe at another time,...but just now I find it disturbing.

I thought the painting was a perfect tribute, Heath sat for it and was looking forward to seeing it completed.  Plus the artist was a friend of his and it's beautiful!  However I can understand how Heath's expression can be disturbing under the circumstances and I certainly don't want to upset people so I'll remove it from my sig.  :'(

That's a very gracious gesture OG but I really don't think you need to do that... if it's an expression of your feelings then it belongs with your sig.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: afhickman on January 31, 2008, 10:24:04 AM
Yes, I was referring to the painting.  Maybe at another time,...but just now I find it disturbing.

I thought the painting was a perfect tribute, Heath sat for it and was looking forward to seeing it completed.  Plus the artist was a friend of his and it's beautiful!  However I can understand how Heath's expression can be disturbing under the circumstances and I certainly don't want to upset people so I'll remove it from my sig.  :'(

That's a very gracious gesture OG but I really don't think you need to do that... if it's an expression of your feelings then it belongs with your sig.  :)

Please don't remove the picture of the painting on my account.  I understand that other people like it.  Maybe once we know more about what happened, I'll be better able to appreciate it as well.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Nikki on January 31, 2008, 11:05:59 AM


I think the painting is hauntingly beautiful -- I can see why others don't care for it, but don't remove it.  It says something about Heaths' complexity IMO.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on January 31, 2008, 12:53:07 PM
Thanks guys, but that's ok, I've got it as my wallpaper.  I might put it back in my sig after more time as passed.
 :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: alma on February 01, 2008, 11:09:51 AM
This may go here, not sure. I've just written an article for UPI (I'm a columnist there) that calls for the firing of John Gibson (Fox Radio host who insulted Heath the day after his death).

Here's a link if you'd like to read it:

http://religionandspirituality.com/morebeliefs/view.php?StoryID=20080201-071958-6116r (http://religionandspirituality.com/morebeliefs/view.php?StoryID=20080201-071958-6116r)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: NWWaguy on February 01, 2008, 12:06:12 PM
Fine article ... thanks for sharing it with us!  :-*  I'm a fan of Fox News, not particularly the opinion people such as John ... and he turned me off for sure ... I don't listen to the radio people, anyway ... again, thanks.

Steve
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: KZ on February 01, 2008, 12:28:30 PM
Quote
On the pic Heath looks certainly like . . . the main actor in Jesus Christ Superstar.

Ted Neeley.  Beautiful man.  Now 64 but still beautiful.  Could sing like a sonofabitch, too.  And, yes, the resemblance is striking. 

I went to YouTube to view the "Gethsemane" vid from Superstar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n5ID4w20LI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n5ID4w20LI).  YOU ALL HAVE TO SEE THIS.  As I watched and listened to Neeley sing, a flurry of goosebumps broke over my skin.  Everywhere.  And then I started choking up.  Watch Neeley, and listen to the words of the song.  This could be Heath.  It's unbelievably eerie...and haunting.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on February 01, 2008, 01:51:14 PM
Quote
On the pic Heath looks certainly like . . . the main actor in Jesus Christ Superstar.

Ted Neeley.  Beautiful man.  Now 64 but still beautiful.  Could sing like a sonofabitch, too.  And, yes, the resemblance is striking. 

I went to YouTube to view the "Gethsemane" vid from Superstar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n5ID4w20LI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n5ID4w20LI).  YOU ALL HAVE TO SEE THIS.  As I watched and listened to Neeley sing, a flurry of goosebumps broke over my skin.  Everywhere.  And then I started choking up.  Watch Neeley, and listen to the words of the song.  This could be Heath.  It's unbelievably eerie...and haunting.

Goosebumps? Check.
Choked up?  Check.
Tears? Check.

I forgot how good he was in that, wow!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: KZ on February 01, 2008, 02:00:52 PM
Incredible, isn't it, oilgun?  And just as incredible is the fact that Neeley's pipes still hadn't rusted when he did that song on the "Tonight Show" a couple decades later.  There are videos of that performance on YouTube as well.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on February 02, 2008, 05:46:28 PM
This may go here, not sure. I've just written an article for UPI (I'm a columnist there) that calls for the firing of John Gibson (Fox Radio host who insulted Heath the day after his death).

Thank You !!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 02, 2008, 05:50:51 PM
Quote
On the pic Heath looks certainly like . . . the main actor in Jesus Christ Superstar.
Ted Neeley.  Beautiful man.  Now 64 but still beautiful.  Could sing like a sonofabitch, too.  And, yes, the resemblance is striking. 
I went to YouTube to view the "Gethsemane" vid from Superstar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n5ID4w20LI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n5ID4w20LI).  YOU ALL HAVE TO SEE THIS.  As I watched and listened to Neeley sing, a flurry of goosebumps broke over my skin.  Everywhere.  And then I started choking up.  Watch Neeley, and listen to the words of the song.  This could be Heath.  It's unbelievably eerie...and haunting.

Hey KZ - I see you were referring to my post from a few days ago.

Great that it made you look and explore further into JCS.

Gethsemane - what a wonderful song, incredible lyrics, powerful acting and singing, great cinematography!

Glad you saw similarities, like I did!

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on February 05, 2008, 03:37:07 PM
I am going to see that live next weekend, can't wait.  I had a crush on Ted Neeley, which is kind of sick when you think of it.  And Gethsemane is my favourite song.


Wasn't sure where to put this;


Heath Ledger Toxicology Reports Set for Release

Posted on Feb 5 2008


Friends, family and fans of Heath Ledger may be given insight as to the cause of the actor's untimely death when the final toxicology reports are released today or tomorrow.

The New York Chief Medical Examiner's Office confirmed today that they were close to revealing the reason for Ledger's death.

Ellen Borakove, director of public affairs at the New York Chief Medical Examiner's office, told AAP today that they're "expecting something in the next two days." .....

http://www.egossip.com/celebrity/heath-ledger-toxicology-reports-released-today-or-tomorrow-8500

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 05, 2008, 05:20:35 PM

This persistent uncertainty is soooo painful, for all involved, and especially for his parents and Michelle & Matilda...
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 05, 2008, 05:21:48 PM

And Lola, it's not THAT sick to have a crush on Ted Neeley, since I had one too!  :D

After all, he is/was a beautiful man, and half naked most of the time, plus a great singer...
 ;)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on February 05, 2008, 05:25:31 PM

And Lola, it's not THAT sick to have a crush on Ted Neeley, since I had one too!  :D

After all, he is/was a beautiful man, and half naked most of the time, plus a great singer...
 ;)

So if I throw my undies on stage next weekend, that is acceptable behaviour?  :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 05, 2008, 05:26:18 PM

Yes, in particular when you have it filmed and post the video on youtube for us all to watch !!  :D

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: dlc on February 21, 2008, 03:33:58 AM

Ran across an interesting article this morning -- Heath on Ennis:  http://www.ebar.com/arts/art_article.php?sec=film&article=465
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Nelly on February 21, 2008, 05:38:40 AM
Great article/interview. Thank you for posting it!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on February 23, 2008, 02:22:50 PM
Can someone help? Yesterday in the US there was a special about Heath, i couldn't find it on youtube, is it online yet? If it is, please, please post it for the people who don't live in America. Thank you!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on February 26, 2008, 03:06:10 PM
Scenes from Heath's Nick Drake tribute vid. Heath directed it. This is a report about the vid:

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384338 (http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384338)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on February 26, 2008, 03:29:01 PM
http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384338 (http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384338)

The vid of the song, or better the bits of that clip they showed are quite unsettling indeed  but making assumptions about his emotional or mental state he had been  based on this  :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on February 26, 2008, 05:13:35 PM
There's been a bit of discussion about it over on the G'Day thread. Feel free to jump in, you non-Aussies. Jo does it all the time  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: equally dour on February 26, 2008, 05:43:31 PM
Scenes from Heath's Nick Drake tribute vid. Heath directed it. This is a report about the vid:

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384338 (http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384338)

Am I the only one who thinks that video looks absolutely gorgeous and not unsettling at all?

And Heath is so beautiful in it...  :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Dal on February 26, 2008, 07:22:34 PM
Am I the only one who thinks that video looks absolutely gorgeous and not unsettling at all?
What unsettled me was that they didn't show the f'g thing!  A few seconds, blah blah blah blah blah, a few more seconds, blah blah blah blah blah, etc, and didn't show the end at all.  They ballyhooed it as "1st time you've seen this," but at the end of the day I still hadn't seen it!  Very disappointin'.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: kazinoz on February 27, 2008, 01:21:36 AM
Am I the only one who thinks that video looks absolutely gorgeous and not unsettling at all?

Not at all blue kate. A bit hard to tell from the fragments they actually showed, but I thought it was lovely. More evidence of just how talented he was. :-\

And yes, so heartstoppingly beautiful...

What unsettled me was that they didn't show the f'g thing!  A few seconds, blah blah blah blah blah, a few more seconds, blah blah blah blah blah, etc, and didn't show the end at all.  They ballyhooed it as "1st time you've seen this," but at the end of the day I still hadn't seen it! 

The good thing is, if ACA could get it, maybe there's a chance of the whole thing being shown one day? Or it getting leaked onto the internet, the way such things mysteriously do.... ::)

From what I'd read, whoever owned the rights originally wasn't going to release it, but they must have changed their minds, so there's hope for those of us who'd dearly love to see it.
 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: summerdreams on February 27, 2008, 02:51:19 PM
Scenes from Heath's Nick Drake tribute vid. Heath directed it. This is a report about the vid:

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384338 (http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384338)

Am I the only one who thinks that video looks absolutely gorgeous and not unsettling at all?

And Heath is so beautiful in it...  :'(

No you're not, I love it because it's so him-- I find nothing unsettling about it and yes, Heath is very beautiful in it, I’d really like to see it in its entirety.

If he were alive today nobody would call the video disturbing but now that he's dead people make a big deal of how hard to swallow it is and how it has a strong sense of foreboding. Nonsense.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on February 27, 2008, 03:49:55 PM
Heath did a really good job with this video!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on February 27, 2008, 06:40:58 PM
So infuriating and saddening to think he was just taking his baby steps in this field. We'll never know for sure how good he could have become, although the directors who have spoken about him all seem to feel he would have been great.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: trekfan on February 27, 2008, 07:43:07 PM
Scenes from Heath's Nick Drake tribute vid. Heath directed it. This is a report about the vid:

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384338 (http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384338)

I found the video to be too disturbing for me so I couldn't continue to watch.  BUT I did not like how they were comparing what happened to Heath with what happened to NIck Drake.

I think Heath felt bad that this young musician died so young. He was only 25 and I think he was exploring how this man lived and how he died.     Heath was looking into the art of making movies and one avenue into making movies is to know your subject, especially if you are planning on doing a biopic of them.   Perhaps after doing INT he got an insight into how one might approach a biopic and then put his own spin on things by creating a small film as a test or sample.

I can't equate what Heath filmed with his own life.    There is no correlation in my opinion.

It was just a tragic coincident.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on February 27, 2008, 08:45:38 PM
I have to agree-it was tragic, stupidly so-but it was a conicidence. If there is some meaning to be had, it only comes, to me,  from dark corners. So I see that as a kind of fancy, a way of dealing with it. The Butterfly Effect seems the only possible explanation, ie, this led to that which led to that which led to...so on and so on. But applying the 'whys' to it, is a game of self-torture. We won't know, unless there is something to be told that has not yet been.
You can't keep sucide quiet, so as long as that has been eliminated, we are left with stepping stones to his destiny, not all of which will ever be identified.

Suffice it has to be, that we had him and loved him, if only for awhile. And we are lucky to have been here on Earth, alive, in his time.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on February 27, 2008, 08:54:44 PM
*sniff*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: sparklemotion on February 28, 2008, 07:38:36 AM
What unsettled me was that they didn't show the f'g thing!

WORD!

The good thing is, if ACA could get it, maybe there's a chance of the whole thing being shown one day? Or it getting leaked onto the internet, the way such things mysteriously do.... ::)

I hope so.
On the Nick Drake site to which UV posted a link a few weeks ago it still says
"FILM: We would like to release the filmed works on a DVD collection as well as supplying them as paid-for downloads from the website."
Don't know if this is up to date, but maybe it will happen one day.
http://www.aplacetobe.cc (http://www.aplacetobe.cc)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on February 28, 2008, 09:19:44 AM
Two doctors investigated in case of Heath's death:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,333530,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,333530,00.html)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on February 28, 2008, 09:59:47 AM
I find some of these photos sad. I noticed that his earlier photos he seems very happy, smiles all the time. His later photos his smiles does disappear, but when he does it seems to be forced. And there is no twinkle in his eyes. He even tries not to look into the camera, but when he does his eyes seems to show pain not life. Sorry for brining that up. I started to notice this before his death, specially his last photo shoot. He really must not have liked the limelight. I wish I could quit him. I miss him and I didn't even know him.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on February 28, 2008, 10:50:31 AM
I find some of these photos sad. I noticed that his earlier photos he seems very happy, smiles all the time. His later photos his smiles does disappear, but when he does it seems to be forced. And there is no twinkle in his eyes. He even tries not to look into the camera, but when he does his eyes seems to show pain not life. Sorry for brining that up. I started to notice this before his death, specially his last photo shoot. He really must not have liked the limelight. I wish I could quit him. I miss him and I didn't even know him.


I find that too. He started out this happy blonde tanned Aussie who was outgoing and then about two years ago changed into a pale, worn, painfully shy and withdrawn shadow of his former self. Like many actors, he was very shy and that shows in his nervous agitation in interviews and his fear of crowds and fans. I have made the same negative metamorphosis myself. Am fine when I am 'performing' but outside of that I am a socially phobic hermit who is terrified of people. To cope, I am on the same combo of anti-anxiety and sleep medication he was on plus heavy doses of anti-depressants.

RIP Heath and my thoughts and wishes to all of those who loved him both on here and out there.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: beruthiel on February 28, 2008, 11:11:08 AM
I find that too. He started out this happy blonde tanned Aussie who was outgoing and then about two years ago changed into a pale, worn, painfully shy and withdrawn shadow of his former self. Like many actors, he was very shy and that shows in his nervous agitation in interviews and his fear of crowds and fans. I have made the same negative metamorphosis myself. Am fine when I am 'performing' but outside of that I am a socially phobic hermit who is terrified of people. To cope, I am on the same combo of anti-anxiety and sleep medication he was on plus heavy doses of anti-depressants.

RIP Heath and my thoughts and wishes to all of those who loved him both on here and out there.

I hope it was not this bad.  I have to believe it was just a rough patch he was going through (Not that it matters now.  :( ), because he had so many plans for future projects.

{{{{{Serendipity}}}} I hope your situation is temporary and that you come out of it safely and soon.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Dal on February 28, 2008, 11:41:33 AM
I have to agree-it was tragic, stupidly so-but it was a conicidence.
Well perhaps.  To me, the coincidence is, at least, suggestive.  He was 'obsessed' (his word) with a big-league depressive, and apparently recreated the man's suicide in his own video.  Not to say at all that Heath's own death was a suicide, but rather that he may have had a deep sadness and  malaise for a long time, which very few people guessed at.  Insomnia and carelessness can be symptomatic of such sadness, and led to his death.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on February 28, 2008, 11:47:32 AM

I hope it was not this bad.  I have to believe it was just a rough patch he was going through (Not that it matters now.  :( ), because he had so many plans for future projects.

{{{{{Serendipity}}}} I hope your situation is temporary and that you come out of it safely and soon.


Aw thanks hun. Mine is here for life I think but I am coping (definitely been more careful about my meds now.....). I think the split hit Heath hard, and being away from his daughter while filming must have been awful.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tweetybird on February 28, 2008, 12:02:01 PM
I have to agree-it was tragic, stupidly so-but it was a conicidence.
Well perhaps.  To me, the coincidence is, at least, suggestive.  He was 'obsessed' (his word) with a big-league depressive, and apparently recreated the man's suicide in his own video.  Not to say at all that Heath's own death was a suicide, but rather that he may have had a deep sadness and  malaise for a long time, which very few people guessed at.  Insomnia and carelessness can be symptomatic of such sadness, and led to his death.

Dal, I'm not sure Drake's death was a suicide. The ME in that case did rule it a suicide, but his parents always contested the ruling, saying it was accidental. They said Nick didn't know that even taking one extra pill, could kill him. It sounds plausible, now. The two cases sound chillingly similar. Of course, Heath had the benefit of hindsight, knowing such an overdose can occur. But like Drake, he was just desperate for some sleep.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on February 28, 2008, 12:16:36 PM
A video about what the young man who painted Heath had to say about him:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23247533-5001021,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23247533-5001021,00.html)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: mla770 on February 28, 2008, 12:43:00 PM
I have to agree-it was tragic, stupidly so-but it was a conicidence.
Well perhaps.  To me, the coincidence is, at least, suggestive.  He was 'obsessed' (his word) with a big-league depressive, and apparently recreated the man's suicide in his own video.  Not to say at all that Heath's own death was a suicide, but rather that he may have had a deep sadness and  malaise for a long time, which very few people guessed at.  Insomnia and carelessness can be symptomatic of such sadness, and led to his death.

Dal, I'm not sure Drake's death was a suicide. The ME in that case did rule it a suicide, but his parents always contested the ruling, saying it was accidental. They said Nick didn't know that even taking one extra pill, could kill him. It sounds plausible, now. The two cases sound chillingly similar. Of course, Heath had the benefit of hindsight, knowing such an overdose can occur. But like Drake, he was just desperate for some sleep.

First time post but long-time lurker...  Just wanted to add - as one who works directly with a prescriber of psychotropic meds., the medication that Drake died from is very lethal and unless you are neglectful, you always review this side effect with a patient and/or their loved ones.  When extremely worried, the patient was only given a few pills at a time for this very reason.  As a result of situations like Drake's, this med. and many others' in it's class are rarely used any longer again, b/c of the lethality.  Back in the 70's though, it was used often b/c this was before the advent of the newer anti-depressants like SSRI's, the "prozac's, lexapro's, celexa's, wellbutrin's" of today that do not carry such a high risk of overdose.  This doesn't mean it was definately a suicide but seems more so in my mind esp. with the ME information. 

By the way, this BBM forum is the bomb - all of it and alll of you are so insightful, well-versed on everything BBM and it's given so much new meaning to me in my BBM "experience..."  I could go on and on all the ways but suffice it to say, it's' led me down all sorts of new paths, directions, insights over the past several months.  Watched the movie when it came a couple of times but moreso in the past 6 months and just recently read the book.  But I digress ot, sorry. 

I know Heath is in a healthier, more peaceful place now and he shines down on all of us through his work and his beautiful daughter!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Dal on February 28, 2008, 12:45:53 PM
Dal, I'm not sure Drake's death was a suicide
Is that right -- I didn't know about that.  In any case, the singer was a famous depressive who had been hospitalized for it, and who died from overdose of antidepressant drugs -- intentional or accidental.  Last song, and the basis of the video, was "Black Dog," which (as you probably know) is a colorful name for depression, coined by W. Churchill.  All I'm saying is that lots and lots of Drake's life was about sadness, and Heath was 'obsessed' with him.  I find that interesting.


Quote
But like Drake, he was just desperate for some sleep.
Yes.  I would imagine Drake's inability to sleep was related to an underlying problem.  Depression might be on the list of possibilities, for instance.  Might Heath also have had an underlying explanation for his own insomnia?  Seems to have felt a kinship w/ Drake.  But OK, not to belabor, it's only something interesting IMO.  If you don't find it so, that's not illegal!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tweetybird on February 28, 2008, 04:15:57 PM
I suspect - don't know for sure, of course - that Heath felt a kinship with Drake. When he said he was "obssessed" with Drake, that to me sounded more than merely loving the guy's music (which I do, very much, btw). He was writing a biopic of him, shot the video to Black Eyed Dog... that to me shows that he wanted to understand what motivated Drake, to get to know him, as much as anyone can given the circumstances. Perhaps he did feel that whatever demons were hurting Drake, were hurting him too? although their lives and careers were very different.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on February 28, 2008, 05:00:09 PM
That may have been part of it, tweetybird, and I also think that when you become obsessed with something, it doesn't mean that you want to replicate the object of your obsession. It could be that Drake had something to teach Heath--something Heath felt a kinship with. When a person is fascinated by death (or living to the extreme), or with someone else who is, doesn't mean that that person wishes death but instead wants to understand the creative impulse (because death equals life and vice-versa) or that something needs to "die" in that person, the something that the person feels may need to "die" in themselves so that they can move on to become the person they were born to be.  (And Drake may have had other attractions for Heath as well.) But at any rate, so not to literally die, but figuratively so so that something else can be born.
It's in our nature as human beings to, at some point, die, and we all carry that within us, that ancient knowledge and experience. 
That's all I think it was with Heath and Drake---a creative and empathatic desire to understand.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on February 28, 2008, 05:20:37 PM
Adrian/Chuck can the gossip about Heath and other women (and links) like the post above go into Planet Heath?
A request, please, as this is the serious thread.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Adrian on February 28, 2008, 05:30:17 PM
This thread is allocated for discussions about Heath's film roles, his artistic ability and his religious/spiritual/political affiliations.  This is not a thread to discuss Heath's private life, his choice of partner/girlfriends, or, his choice of attire.  Please keep all general Heath chat and photographs to the Planet Heath thread.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on February 28, 2008, 05:45:19 PM
I deleted it, all "someone" had to do was ask (and not drag the mods in).  I actually thought I was in Planet Heath (that is why I posted the pictures)  I tell you if things get any more tense around here, I am going to give up posting at all!


pictures have now been moved as well.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on February 28, 2008, 06:40:47 PM
I hope it was not this bad.  I have to believe it was just a rough patch he was going through (Not that it matters now.  :( ), because he had so many plans for future projects.

{{{{{Serendipity}}}} I hope your situation is temporary and that you come out of it safely and soon.


I echo beruthiel's thoughts.

I also think it was just a rough patch (just like anyone can have) due perhaps to the breakup with Michelle, and more of a separation from his daughter. Understandable.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on February 28, 2008, 07:24:24 PM
I have to agree-it was tragic, stupidly so-but it was a conicidence.
Well perhaps.  To me, the coincidence is, at least, suggestive.  He was 'obsessed' (his word) with a big-league depressive, and apparently recreated the man's suicide in his own video.  Not to say at all that Heath's own death was a suicide, but rather that he may have had a deep sadness and  malaise for a long time, which very few people guessed at.  Insomnia and carelessness can be symptomatic of such sadness, and led to his death.
fair enough; I've actually compared it oddly to Jack's death by tire rim in the SS, so not one to argue certain things....
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on February 28, 2008, 07:32:20 PM
Two doctors investigated in case of Heath's death:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,333530,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,333530,00.html)

OMG-I just remembered something: Years ago, when I busted an dislocated  my ankle, I laid on a sofa completely stoned on Vicodin for 4 days, until I could get the damn thing set, by an orthopedist. I recall my sis saying that I seemed depressed. I was on a major high, actually, but clearly, my vital signs were probably a bit low. She's a nurse, so she could tell. But I did not feel depressed, really. Just....mellow.

 It now seems terrifying to me how many drugs were in his system at once-I mean, i was totally out of it on one drug... of course, I weighed about 130 at the time, but Heath was for a man, pretty slim, I think at the time, too....I see how easly now it would be to accidentally die with that much stuff in your system. Really scary, thinking about it.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on February 29, 2008, 02:50:34 AM
Oh, no!!! :o

A doctor in California and another in Texas are under investigation by federal drug authorities in the matter of Heath Ledger's's death, PEOPLE has confirmed.
/snip/
“We are investigating doctors in Los Angeles and Texas with regard to Ledger’s prescriptions,” the source tells PEOPLE.


Has Heath been to Texas!?!?!

I only remember that he was talking about that he might  try to speak as Joker with Texas accecnt for TDK in the previous interview but I've never thought of him visiting Texas regularly or couldn't tell his accent in TDK trailer...... ???
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on February 29, 2008, 06:54:23 AM
Oh, no!!! :o

A doctor in California and another in Texas are under investigation by federal drug authorities in the matter of Heath Ledger's's death, PEOPLE has confirmed.
/snip/
“We are investigating doctors in Los Angeles and Texas with regard to Ledger’s prescriptions,” the source tells PEOPLE.


Has Heath been to Texas!?!?!

I only remember that he was talking about that he might  try to speak as Joker with Texas accecnt for TDK in the previous interview but I've never thought of him visiting Texas regularly or couldn't tell his accent in TDK trailer...... ???


He could have gotten them online, or through his agents.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pickle on February 29, 2008, 07:10:23 AM
He could have gotten them online, or through his agents.

Thanks for your reply,  bbt!
Are such a serious drugs can be just prescribed by a doctor online and delivered it to you without seeing or knowing anything about patients' previous medical history so easily in the US?

If so, when the reports said 'prescribed drugs' does also mean a type of 'over-the-counter' drugs!?!

I know how you can give a try to get other kind of drugs for the same symptom if the first one already taken is not working anymore for you.... :(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on February 29, 2008, 07:22:21 AM
Are such a serious drugs can be just prescribed by a doctor online and delivered it to you without seeing or knowing anything about patients' previous medical history so easily in the US?
If so, when the reports said 'prescribed drugs' does also mean a type of 'over-the-counter' drugs!?!
I know how you can give a try to get other kind of drugs for the same symptom if the first one already taken is not working anymore for you.... :(

In the US, usually they take (confiscate) your prescription signed by the dr., when you "fill it" for the first time.
For example, the prescription says 3 bottles of "X", they give you your first, and write on it, and in their computer, "2 refills left".
It is possible that neurological drugs (<- in need of a better term here) require even more tracing than that, can't tell.
Also, if you fill your prescription to a chain of pharmacies (say: CVS) you must refill there too.
However, the computers in one store do not always communicate with the computers in another, even within the same city.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on February 29, 2008, 08:06:45 AM
to be honest here. I don't think the combonation Heath was taking should have been perscribed to him. Not because of the outcome, but because it didn't make sense. The combo was stupid. All of those drugs effects one's respiratory system. They shut down the gas exchange within the lungs, making it hard to breath. Thus, why people thought he had Pneumonia. Also, the fact that he was a big smoker didn't help matters either.

It just doesn't make sense at all.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on February 29, 2008, 11:22:03 AM
Thanks guys for your good thoughts for me. I am very touched because you don't know me yet you wish me well.

I think in Heath's case it was a very unfortunate combination of many factors which alone would not be fatal, but together were tragic.

- he was painfully shy
- he hated giving interviews and was doing quite a few for his upcoming movies
- all said interviews were criticised because of his restlessness, twitching, scratching
- he was called motheaten, badly dressed and balding - that's got to hurt
- he was suffering from insomnia
- he was probably suffering from depression
- he suffered from social phobia, hated crowds and the paps especially
- he felt rootless and that he had no proper home. He didn't like Soho.
- he had taken on several dark, twisted, complex roles of late and immersed himself in them
- he was an Aussie who loved sun and yet had spent the last few months filming in cold rainy winter London
- the breakup took him hard and appeared to be initiated from her side
- he couldn't be with his daughter as Michelle was on location
- he was run down and suffering from, at best, a bad cold. At worst bronchitis or maybe pneumonia
- he was over medicated for several of the above. Doctors these days prescribe too easily, instead of taking the extra time it would take to get to the root of the problem.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: freetraveller on February 29, 2008, 11:33:46 AM
Scenes from Heath's Nick Drake tribute vid. Heath directed it. This is a report about the vid:

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384338 (http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=384338)

Am I the only one who thinks that video looks absolutely gorgeous and not unsettling at all?

And Heath is so beautiful in it...  :'(

No you're not, I love it because it's so him-- I find nothing unsettling about it and yes, Heath is very beautiful in it, I’d really like to see it in its entirety.

If he were alive today nobody would call the video disturbing but now that he's dead people make a big deal of how hard to swallow it is and how it has a strong sense of foreboding. Nonsense.


I did not find it too unsettling either.
After watching these clips and also the beautiful Ben Harper's Morning Yearning video, also directed by Heath, I feel even sadder, if that's possible, thinking at his yet untapped talent as director.

I was uncomfortable with the slant of the report here, though, and some of the "connections" between Drake's life and death, with Heath's own. And I could have done without the clip of the paramedics taking his body out his apartment.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on February 29, 2008, 11:35:16 AM

- he was painfully shy
- he hated giving interviews and was doing quite a few for his upcoming movies
- all said interviews were criticised because of his restlessness, twitching, scratching
- he was called motheaten, badly dressed and balding - that's got to hurt
- he was suffering from insomnia
- he was probably suffering from depression
- he suffered from social phobia, hated crowds and the paps especially
- he felt rootless and that he had no proper home. He didn't like Soho.
- he had taken on several dark, twisted, complex roles of late and immersed himself in them
- he was an Aussie who loved sun and yet had spent the last few months filming in cold rainy winter London
- the breakup took him hard and appeared to be initiated from her side
- he couldn't be with his daughter as Michelle was on location
- he was run down and suffering from, at best, a bad cold. At worst bronchitis or maybe pneumonia
- he was over medicated for several of the above. Doctors these days prescribe too easily, instead of taking the extra time it would take to get to the root of the problem.

True! You always have to tell the docs what other medications you are on, they mostly don't ask you. I talk about people i know of and it happened to them.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: freetraveller on February 29, 2008, 11:35:34 AM
That may have been part of it, tweetybird, and I also think that when you become obsessed with something, it doesn't mean that you want to replicate the object of your obsession. It could be that Drake had something to teach Heath--something Heath felt a kinship with. When a person is fascinated by death (or living to the extreme), or with someone else who is, doesn't mean that that person wishes death but instead wants to understand the creative impulse (because death equals life and vice-versa) or that something needs to "die" in that person, the something that the person feels may need to "die" in themselves so that they can move on to become the person they were born to be.  (And Drake may have had other attractions for Heath as well.) But at any rate, so not to literally die, but figuratively so so that something else can be born.
It's in our nature as human beings to, at some point, die, and we all carry that within us, that ancient knowledge and experience. 
That's all I think it was with Heath and Drake---a creative and empathatic desire to understand.

That's very interesting and profound, Lauren  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on February 29, 2008, 11:37:38 AM
I have also been on a Heath binge

BBM - the ultimate. Nothing even comes close
10 Things I Hate about You - he doesn't get as much airtime as he should have but it's worth it for his singing, deep voice, long hair and young studliness
Casanova - he looks yummy and it is quite funny actually.
Monster's Ball - so damn depressing but they wanted Heath for BBM after seeing him in this. He's not in it for long but you can see why they chose him. Such presence
Four Feathers - he doesn't look so yummy for most of the film but it wasn't bad as movies go.
Ned Kelly - gave up after a while as he should have (I felt) had his Aussie accent rather than a fake Irish one. Ned was Australian after all.
Knight's Tale - my fave. Tanned, blonde, young Heath, rock music and him on a horse. Woohooo!

He seems to ride in most of his movies and he does it so well.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on February 29, 2008, 12:20:52 PM
Thanks guys for your good thoughts for me. I am very touched because you don't know me yet you wish me well.

I think in Heath's case it was a very unfortunate combination of many factors which alone would not be fatal, but together were tragic.

- he was painfully shy
- he hated giving interviews and was doing quite a few for his upcoming movies
- all said interviews were criticised because of his restlessness, twitching, scratching
- he was called motheaten, badly dressed and balding - that's got to hurt
- he was suffering from insomnia
- he was probably suffering from depression
- he suffered from social phobia, hated crowds and the paps especially
- he felt rootless and that he had no proper home. He didn't like Soho.
- he had taken on several dark, twisted, complex roles of late and immersed himself in them
- he was an Aussie who loved sun and yet had spent the last few months filming in cold rainy winter London
- the breakup took him hard and appeared to be initiated from her side
- he couldn't be with his daughter as Michelle was on location
- he was run down and suffering from, at best, a bad cold. At worst bronchitis or maybe pneumonia
- he was over medicated for several of the above. Doctors these days prescribe too easily, instead of taking the extra time it would take to get to the root of the problem.


I agree, but if those rumors about his past drug usage are true. No Doctor would have prescribed him anything at all. Any one in recovery should not be perscribed anything that is a addictive. I'm not saying he was or was on drugs, just stating a fact about recovery.

I have coworkers who has used those sleeping pills Heath was on, both say that drug should be pulled. One is a recovering alcoholic and stated that when he took them, he was wiped out in 5 minutes. When he came to, he got scared and throw them out. The other says if she is upset about something before going to bad, she can't sleep and those pills make it worst. She saids she fights the sleep then.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on February 29, 2008, 07:24:39 PM
That may have been part of it, tweetybird, and I also think that when you become obsessed with something, it doesn't mean that you want to replicate the object of your obsession. It could be that Drake had something to teach Heath--something Heath felt a kinship with. When a person is fascinated by death (or living to the extreme), or with someone else who is, doesn't mean that that person wishes death but instead wants to understand the creative impulse (because death equals life and vice-versa) or that something needs to "die" in that person, the something that the person feels may need to "die" in themselves so that they can move on to become the person they were born to be.  (And Drake may have had other attractions for Heath as well.) But at any rate, so not to literally die, but figuratively so so that something else can be born.
It's in our nature as human beings to, at some point, die, and we all carry that within us, that ancient knowledge and experience. 
That's all I think it was with Heath and Drake---a creative and empathatic desire to understand.

That's very interesting and profound, Lauren  :)

Agreed. I think we make too much about the connection. I was and still am obsessed by Ned Kelly but that doesn't mean I have the urge to rob banks, get in shoot-ups and be hanged by the neck until dead when I'm 25. (No hope of the last one, at any rate.) Who knows what attracts us to one person or one idea or anything else? Most of the time we don't know the answer ourself, so how the hell can some poxy "journalist" on a current affairs show know?

Serendipity's collection of facts and suppositions sounds pretty accurate to me. Heath was going through a rough patch and he would probably have come out of it as we all do, battle-scarred and changed, but we survive. Fate stepped in and he didn't make it. Some inside info (which will stay that way so don't ask, anyone)  leads me to believe he was trying to work things out in a sensible fashion, but life has a way of not going the way it should.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on March 01, 2008, 06:42:05 AM
By all accounts, Heath had a lot going on and alot to look forward to...I would not be surprised if separation from his daughter was causing him serious anxiety-its natural especially with younger parents. I'd be surprised if he did not find such a long period of separation a bit intolerable, especially with the ease with which he could be with her when home.


With all the projects he had on board, ie, the chess movie; the Austrailian movie; his apartment; the career in directing, it just seems to me he had too many plates in the air-and like many serious people, he took them all perhaps too seriously, wore their weight perhaps too much by himself. His daughter was no doubt  a bit of  emotional grounding and sanity at the center of things. Kids do that, they set you on a  clearer path, no?


I really looked forward to him getting even more active in  TV-I know people generally don't look back once movies come, but some actors enjoy showing up on TV and I think this would have appealed to him, somehow. I think he appreciated television, and once he warmed up to being in public, he seemed to almost enjoy talk show interviews. I still remember how funny he was on the Tonight Show, talking about clapping for himself at the Golden Globes, and realizing what he was doing  ;D It was very funny, and he seemed to be having fun. Then when Heidi Klum came on, he seemed qute happy to play her stright man, fidegety or not. He was by nature, and in his work, a real collaborator. I am sure he was hurt badly now and again by the more selfish people in the business. I like the idea of him steering his own ship as a director-I'm sure he would've been a great 'boss'.

What a loss.....TDK and Terry Gilliam's flick will be a temporary place to hide from the sad reality, once they come out. Hopefully.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 01, 2008, 07:31:49 AM
For anyone who will watch 10 things, don't forget to keep looking after the credits for the outtakes. There are two of Heath there, laughing and joking around - natural and happy. That gorgeous wide grin and deep laugh are really heartwarming. In one he jumps Julia Stiles without warning and the sound of his mouth is *drool* but the laughs and smiles afterwards are the best, esp when he bites his bottom lip! To keep this on topic, I didn't think his acting was great in this movie but he was eye candy and a half!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on March 01, 2008, 07:49:04 AM
Good morning (here anyway), yes, he was young and enthusiastic and just darn good-looking, if not particularly skilled yet. He was learning, though. I think Monsters's Ball was the first time I saw him really sieze a role, and incorporate it. No turning back after that....The knowledge of what he had accomplished had to have resonated with the sense that it was 'right'.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 01, 2008, 08:05:06 AM
I don't know about that. He always seemed to feel he was crap. He surely didn't know how to take compliments. He said all he could say was "thank you" when people told him he'd portrayed a character well. He did his best and hoped it all turned out okay, I think.

I confess I sometimes felt a little bit embarrassed when watching his earlier work, not because it was bad - which it wasn't although it was certainly a bit immature - but because he had such an individual approach and was so committed to what he was doing. I suppose embarrassed is the wrong word. I felt that even when he was a teenager he was revealing so much of himself in his work and being risky. He wasn't conventional at all.

It makes me yearn for the work we will never see. It would have been unique and wonderful, I say that with absolute certainty.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on March 01, 2008, 08:18:54 AM
after watching the xtras on the BBM dvd it is obvious that heath was painfully shy but he lit up when talking about michelle which was so sweet he was like a little kid when talking about her and that made me smile he seemed such a sweetheart
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 01, 2008, 08:24:26 AM
after watching the xtras on the BBM dvd it is obvious that heath was painfully shy but he lit up when talking about michelle which was so sweet he was like a little kid when talking about her and that made me smile he seemed such a sweetheart

I know! :( I just wonder what went wrong? I bet Michelle will never tell... I know, i know, it's non of my business anyway.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 01, 2008, 08:25:25 AM
I have also been on a Heath binge

BBM - the ultimate. Nothing even comes close
10 Things I Hate about You - he doesn't get as much airtime as he should have but it's worth it for his singing, deep voice, long hair and young studliness
Casanova - he looks yummy and it is quite funny actually.
Monster's Ball - so damn depressing but they wanted Heath for BBM after seeing him in this. He's not in it for long but you can see why they chose him. Such presence
Four Feathers - he doesn't look so yummy for most of the film but it wasn't bad as movies go.
Ned Kelly - gave up after a while as he should have (I felt) had his Aussie accent rather than a fake Irish one. Ned was Australian after all.
Knight's Tale - my fave. Tanned, blonde, young Heath, rock music and him on a horse. Woohooo!

He seems to ride in most of his movies and he does it so well.

There is still furious debate here in Australia about what sort of an accent Ned had. While it was probably a form of the Australian accent, Ned was described as having quite a brogue so a touch of Irish is acceptable. Not as thick as they made Heath speak, however. The director,. Gregor Jordan, was not, repeat NOT, a historian. He should have hired me.  One thing I can guarantee, Ned did not speak as Heath speaks.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 01, 2008, 08:27:53 AM
after watching the xtras on the BBM dvd it is obvious that heath was painfully shy but he lit up when talking about michelle which was so sweet he was like a little kid when talking about her and that made me smile he seemed such a sweetheart

I'm not so sure about the painfully shy bit. I think he was unassuming and really didn't get what the fuss was about but I don't think I'd say he was really shy. I feel he would have prefered to be doing something other than talking about himself but I reckon that when he was talking about something he was passionate about he didn't appear shy at all.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 01, 2008, 08:36:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8hVIllbnIw&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8hVIllbnIw&feature=related)

youtube of the outtakes from 10 things I hate about you. Listen for the kissing sounds!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 01, 2008, 08:42:06 AM

There is still furious debate here in Australia about what sort of an accent Ned had. While it was probably a form of the Australian accent, Ned was described as having quite a brogue so a touch of Irish is acceptable. Not as thick as they made Heath speak, however. The director,. Gregor Jordan, was not, repeat NOT, a historian. He should have hired me.  One thing I can guarantee, Ned did not speak as Heath speaks.

I think the Irish accent is the most murdered in the film industry! (I'm Irish)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 01, 2008, 08:43:34 AM
Ah! Then I love you already!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 01, 2008, 08:46:32 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: friend on March 01, 2008, 08:56:37 AM

There is still furious debate here in Australia about what sort of an accent Ned had. While it was probably a form of the Australian accent, Ned was described as having quite a brogue so a touch of Irish is acceptable. Not as thick as they made Heath speak, however. The director,. Gregor Jordan, was not, repeat NOT, a historian. He should have hired me.  One thing I can guarantee, Ned did not speak as Heath speaks.

I think the Irish accent is the most murdered in the film industry! (I'm Irish)

I'm Irish too! I completely agree, anytime I hear an attempt of an Irish accent in films I cringe. But I thought Heaths Aussie/Irish accent wasnt too bad, I quite liked it! And there are much much worse.

Thanks for that youtube clip, I remember when I watched the DVD I was pleasantly suprised to get those outtakes at the end, I always find little clips like that so special. It was nice to see it again!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Dal on March 01, 2008, 03:38:57 PM
I thought Heaths Aussie/Irish accent wasnt too bad, I quite liked it! And there are much much worse.
Heath speaks Austro-Irish in "Roar" as well.  It's out on DVD.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on March 01, 2008, 05:11:08 PM
Don't know if this was posted before, but it's worth a read.

'It's not fair. It's not right'

The shock felt by so many at the death of Heath Ledger shows how strongly we identify with great actors,
says Joe Queenan

http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,2245818,00.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: friend on March 01, 2008, 05:52:05 PM
Thanks for that article roco.
I completely agree with what he says about the end of The Patriot, they were my exact thoughts when I was watching it (after I wiped away my tears and had time to think).

they didn't stick around long enough to make films like Meet the Fockers. This is the only upside to an untimely demise.

I dont think Heath would ever have made a film that he wasnt whole-heartedly interested to make.
He  always chose his roles wisely once he had made a name for himself and no matter how successful or unsuccessful they were he continued to do so, I think this would've continued into the far future, well thats what I thought before...
If there were no roles out there for him, I think he would have preferred to just lay low than make a movie for the sake of making a movie. He was respectable. He was passionate about what he did thats why he was so good at it. I admire him so much.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on March 01, 2008, 08:10:49 PM
Don't know if this was posted before, but it's worth a read.

'It's not fair. It's not right'

The shock felt by so many at the death of Heath Ledger shows how strongly we identify with great actors,
says Joe Queenan

http://film.guardian.co.uk/features/featurepages/0,,2245818,00.html

Thanks Roco, that's a great artice, I feel like posting it on the dvdspot forum, lol!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 02, 2008, 05:13:22 AM
Thanks for that article roco.
I completely agree with what he says about the end of The Patriot, they were my exact thoughts when I was watching it (after I wiped away my tears and had time to think).

they didn't stick around long enough to make films like Meet the Fockers. This is the only upside to an untimely demise.

I dont think Heath would ever have made a film that he wasnt whole-heartedly interested to make.
He  always chose his roles wisely once he had made a name for himself and no matter how successful or unsuccessful they were he continued to do so, I think this would've continued into the far future, well thats what I thought before...
If there were no roles out there for him, I think he would have preferred to just lay low than make a movie for the sake of making a movie. He was respectable. He was passionate about what he did thats why he was so good at it. I admire him so much.



I totally agree with that. Heath had just come to the US when he made 10 things. After that he was offered gazillions of teen movies. They were begging and pleading for him to do them. But he made what some thought was a stupid decision (being that he was not well known enough yet to pick and choose) to turn them all down, to the extent that he didn't work for a year, until something came along that he wanted to do. So I don't think he would have gone down that route. Though de Niro is a such a great actor who has taken on the best of roles that his choices of late have been baffling.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 03, 2008, 11:25:27 PM
I have a couple of questions

Could Heath sing? He seems to sing in several movies and it sounds like his voice.....?

Was Heath as good a horseman as he seemed? He rode in almost all his movies and he seemed so good. In most shots you could see it was not a stunt double....?

Was Heath naturally slim and lean? He never ever seemed to puff up between roles and always seemed slim......?

Was he losing his hair? It seems like it in some pics but then in more recent ones it didn't. Maybe long hair hid a naturally high hairline.....?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 04, 2008, 03:36:05 AM
Answers:
yes, he could sing. That is him singing in a couple of films (and he hums in BBM too, twice)

He was an excellent horseman. If you watch the opening scenes of Ned Kelly he is galloping full tilt. A natural horseman.

The only time he put on a little weight was when Matilda was little. Naturally slim. He ate enough junk food to make him fat if he was that way inclined.

He was losing his hair but it would have taken a while. His father ended up bald. I think it started receding when he was about 23.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 04, 2008, 05:35:12 AM
Wow ma you sure know your stuff!

Thank you!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 04, 2008, 05:37:57 AM
I seem to have absorbed information. I'm good at Trivial Pursuit  :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 04, 2008, 05:45:27 AM
Just watched the gallop in Ned Kely (working at home today.... :-[) and I see what you mean. This is my fave horseriding scene - from the Knight's Tale

(http://i29.tinypic.com/2qv7fdj.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 04, 2008, 06:01:04 AM
Incidentally.....erm......after watching the gallloping scene from Ned Kelly in slow motion I can...um....see why the Brokeback short story has Jack saying *Christ it gotta be all that time a yours a horseback that makes it so goddam good*

*got to go lie down now*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 04, 2008, 06:05:54 AM
Oh yes, let's get serious about Heath  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ennis Del Mark on March 04, 2008, 07:54:17 AM
I don't know if this post should go on this thread or Planet Heath but here goes, anyway....

It's Tuesday.  Every Tuesday since Heath died I find myself thinking, One week ago today...two weeks ago today...etc.  Well, now it's six weeks.  It's not a conscious thing--it just happens.  And of course a month from today is Heath's birthday.  I just feel so helpless and enraged whenever I think of this beautiful man and so despondent when I think of the pain he was going through.  I just can't bear to watch any of his films just yet.  As I wrote recently, just looking at the front of the DVD of A KNIGHT'S TALE with Heath in all his curly blond beauty, looking fierce but not obnoxiously so, made me cry.  Time will help but I just felt a deep melancholy today and just had to post my feelings.  Thanks for bearing with me.

Mark 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on March 04, 2008, 08:03:17 AM

Trust me ... you're not alone in these feelings.

He's the first thing I think about in the morning and the last a night.

The sharp pain of grief is gone, but I don't think the dull ache of sorrow will ever leave!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 04, 2008, 08:24:30 AM
I don't know if this post should go on this thread or Planet Heath but here goes, anyway....

It's Tuesday.  Every Tuesday since Heath died I find myself thinking, One week ago today...two weeks ago today...etc.  Well, now it's six weeks.  It's not a conscious thing--it just happens.  And of course a month from today is Heath's birthday.  I just feel so helpless and enraged whenever I think of this beautiful man and so despondent when I think of the pain he was going through.  I just can't bear to watch any of his films just yet.  As I wrote recently, just looking at the front of the DVD of A KNIGHT'S TALE with Heath in all his curly blond beauty, looking fierce but not obnoxiously so, made me cry.  Time will help but I just felt a deep melancholy today and just had to post my feelings.  Thanks for bearing with me.

Mark 

People grieve in different ways. Some people feel a pain so great they are too afraid to go there. Others wallow, poke at those raw feelings like a toothache. Sorry you are feeling sad. Many hugs and thoughts and hope you feel better soon.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 04, 2008, 09:25:16 AM
Heath also danced in BBM, Knight's Tale, Four Feathers, Casanova, 10 things....
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: trekfan on March 04, 2008, 11:26:29 AM
He sang in 10 Things and Lords of Dogtown (and hummed in BBM) 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 04, 2008, 12:18:30 PM
I didn't like Casanova when I first saw it but on further viewing I think it is soooo funny. Heath was quite effeminate and mincing in it and sooooo hilarious - he has a spot on sense of comic timing. . My favourite line is 'it's impossible for him to look any worse......... Good God you've achieved the impossible'. Every time I see it I find something else to chuckle at.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on March 04, 2008, 08:36:30 PM
Rufus Wainwright jokes about Heath's death.

Wainwright on Heath Ledger's death:

 "I wrote this song for Rivers Phoenix when he died. Now I sort of see it as Heath Ledger's song. Like my friend said, 'They always die after playing a gay person."

http://boards.rufuswainwright.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=546398&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=3&vc=1

(I am appalled that a Gay Man would joke about Heath's death after what Heath did for the gay comunity!)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Hasse on March 05, 2008, 01:12:41 AM
(and he hums in BBM too, twice)


Hi Mini!  :)

Really? He hums twice? Where apart from the "sleeping on your feet like a horse" scene?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: carbyville on March 05, 2008, 01:29:22 AM
(and he hums in BBM too, twice)


Hi Mini!  :)

Really? He hums twice? Where apart from the "sleeping on your feet like a horse" scene?

He's humming right before he encounters the bear when he's bringing their food back to camp. :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Nelly on March 05, 2008, 01:38:08 AM
Rufus Wainwright jokes about Heath's death.

Wainwright on Heath Ledger's death:

 "I wrote this song for Rivers Phoenix when he died. Now I sort of see it as Heath Ledger's song. Like my friend said, 'They always die after playing a gay person."

http://boards.rufuswainwright.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=546398&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=3&vc=1

(I am appalled that a Gay Man would joke about Heath's death after what Heath did for the gay comunity!)

Roco  :-*

I think that this “joke” was a kind of black humour (not very clever perhaps) with the shadow of sorrow below the surface. 

At least this was my impression when I read it.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Hasse on March 05, 2008, 01:46:11 AM
He's humming right before he encounters the bear when he's bringing their food back to camp. :)

Really? As many times as I've watched BBM I've never noticed that!! Actually I watched it last night for the first time since Heath's death. It wasn't as painfull as I thought it would be allthough the tears started coming at the end with Ennis in his trailer. I couldn't help but feel the similarity, Ennis alone in his trailer, Heath alone in his apartment.  :'( 

Edited to fix quote
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 05, 2008, 04:04:59 AM
He hums quite nicely in the bear scene I thought!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ben Franklin on March 05, 2008, 04:23:39 AM
Yes, in the bear scene he hums "Streets of Laredo" aka "A Cowboy's Lament", a sad song about a dying young cowboy.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ennis Del Mark on March 05, 2008, 06:40:12 AM
How ironic...

Mark
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on March 05, 2008, 06:47:05 AM
Heath also danced in BBM, Knight's Tale, Four Feathers, Casanova, 10 things....

he danced in borthers grimm as well at the end
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: DancesWithChows on March 06, 2008, 10:53:46 PM
Hi.

I usually hang out in Le Bar Slash/Discussion & Recommendation threads of The Juicy Bits, but this seemed like the best place to post this.

One of our local newspaper writers had a very insightfull column today regarding Heath's life and death and the Tabloid feeding frenzy/rush to judgment; it was also posted on his blog, which means I can share it with you all.

http://www.myspace.com/seanleary007


I also wrote him a quick e-mail, thanking him for his insight and fair-mindedness.

-Mary
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on March 07, 2008, 05:18:54 AM
A beautiful thoughtful article.

It should be on the front page of every newspaper in the country!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 07, 2008, 07:32:57 AM
Great article. I'm glad someone is saying the truth.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on March 07, 2008, 07:40:56 AM
wow that artical is true which is why it probably WONT be put on the front of the newspaper if he was saying something untrue and bad THAT would be on the front of every newspaper
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: DancesWithChows on March 07, 2008, 07:56:52 AM
Thank you!

Mr. Leary is also a published author of several books, and he has a book signing at the local Borders on Saturday.... Although I usually avoid bookstores on 'Author Appearing' days due to my crowd phobia (I'm such an Ennis!), I'm seriously thinking of going and thanking him again in person!

-Mary
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Carissa on March 07, 2008, 10:55:18 AM
I thought this article was good too.  The subtitle explains the story.

Understanding Heath Ledger's death
How drug company advertisements, doctors, pharmacies and patients intertwine to cause an overdose.
By Larry Zaroff, M.D., Ph.D.
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/03/06/heath_ledger_overdose/index.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 07, 2008, 06:37:46 PM
Carissa - that was an excellent article. That describes so well how damned easy it would have been.

Thank you!

Mr. Leary is also a published author of several books, and he has a book signing at the local Borders on Saturday.... Although I usually avoid bookstores on 'Author Appearing' days due to my crowd phobia (I'm such an Ennis!), I'm seriously thinking of going and thanking him again in person!

-Mary

Please do! And thank him from all of us.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Melby on March 07, 2008, 10:08:36 PM
frunner posted this link in the Michelle & Matilda thread:
http://www.elle.com/featurefullstory/13724/michelle-williams-elle-april-2008.html

Re: their break-up....here's a comforting part, to me at least, in light of some recent crap in the tabloids.

“It was so heartbreaking to watch that not work out,” says the director Todd Haynes, calling later the same day [before Heath's death]. The couple took roles in I'm Not There, Haynes' experimental Bob Dylan biopic, with Ledger as one of six Dylan incarnates and Williams as the Edie Sedgwicky socialite Coco Rivington. “You can't fault either of them. Really, two of the most extraordinary people,” Haynes continues. “True artists, naked and stripped-down as they approach their craft. Different people with different temperatures and rhythms, exploring themselves.”

Ang Lee is also quoted about the break-up.


I still miss him so much.  :'(

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Carissa on March 08, 2008, 03:18:44 AM
I hope that they will be able to keep this private from now on.  :(

Heath Ledger assets go to parents, siblings
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/03/08/2008-03-08_heath_ledger_assets_go_to_parents_siblin.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 08, 2008, 09:53:47 AM
March 9, 2008, "Portrait of Ledger the real winner", The Sun-Herald:
"(...)when the doors of the NSW Art Gallery opened to the public yesterday,
it was the portrait of the late actor Heath Ledger by Vincent Fantauzzo that was the real crowd-puller."
2008 People's Choice winner will be announced May 8, 2008

http://www.smh.com.au/news/arts/portrait-of-heath-ledger-the-real-winner/2008/03/08/1204780127696.html

http://www.thearchibaldprize.com.au/winners  (<-- the shy zebra  :-\)

http://www.thearchibaldprize.com.au/finalists/archibald (finalists: portraiture)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on March 08, 2008, 09:57:20 AM
I hope that they will be able to keep this private from now on.  :(

Heath Ledger assets go to parents, siblings
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/03/08/2008-03-08_heath_ledger_assets_go_to_parents_siblin.html

It didn't sound like much in the way of assests. I have a feeling we will be hearing more.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20183044,00.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on March 08, 2008, 10:10:46 AM
I hope that they will be able to keep this private from now on.  :(

Heath Ledger assets go to parents, siblings
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/03/08/2008-03-08_heath_ledger_assets_go_to_parents_siblin.html

It didn't sound like much in the way of assests. I have a feeling we will be hearing more.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20183044,00.html
Some article had already quoted his wealth as being estimated at $20m-I  think someone posted that in here, in some other thread.

But it is a good reminder to have one's will updated, with status changes. I am sure the family will handle things well for Matilda. I hope I'm right.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 08, 2008, 10:21:45 AM
Actors with good advisers seldom have personal wealth for tax reasons. It is often channelled through various companies that they own like production companies or restaurants etc.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 08, 2008, 11:29:35 AM
Heath Ledger assets go to parents, siblings
http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2008/03/08/2008-03-08_heath_ledger_assets_go_to_parents_siblin.html

It didn't sound like much in the way of assests. I have a feeling we will be hearing more.

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20183044,00.html
Some article had already quoted his wealth as being estimated at $20m-I  think someone posted that in here, in some other thread.

But it is a good reminder to have one's will updated, with status changes. I am sure the family will handle things well for Matilda. I hope I'm right.

The article says that the small amount of assets willed to the parents and siblings doesn't include any possible trust funds that Heath may have set aside, that those funds aren't included in probate and so weren't included in the sums outlined in the article. I don't know if that means that $20 plus million, or part of it, could be in a trust fund for Matilda. That was the impression I had, that this was a possbility.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Carissa on March 08, 2008, 02:52:06 PM
It also says that the will was written in April of 2003 and they don't know if it has been updated, or at least they are not telling the media if it has.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ConstantReader on March 08, 2008, 02:52:15 PM
One of the advantages of holding assets in either a private corporation or a trust is that the assets become invisible to the general public.  A will and probate proceedings are public record.  The assets listed in the newspaper account would be those that Heath Ledger owned in his name and thus covered by his will.  If the rest of the assets are held in a trust, the trustee(s) determine(s)  how (and if) the assets are to be distributed. 

One another note, here is a link to an article that appeared in the NY Times a few days ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/books/06esqu.html?_r=1&ref=movies&oref=slogin

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 08, 2008, 02:57:06 PM
Maybe I don't care about money, but all this just doesn't interest me. Heath undoubtedly had a few dollars tucked away and his family and Michelle and he himself are/were all decent people so it will all work out okay. I doubt Matilda will have to be out sweeping chimneys any time soon.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Thunder88 on March 08, 2008, 03:29:59 PM
Agreed, I don't think that Matilda will have to worry for any reason.

And, in some bizarre way, this lack of planning on his part reinforces the belief in me that he didn't leave us intentionally. That he wanted to be around for while longer but the universe had other plans.

(((((Heath)))))

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 08, 2008, 03:36:07 PM
Apart from in those few frantic first hours, when everything was up in the air, I never believed he had any intention of deliberately opting out. I could never see him doing that to the child he loved so much. And while I know plenty of people do, Heath just didn't strike me as one of them, even in his lowest moments.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Thunder88 on March 08, 2008, 03:42:17 PM
He didn't strike me that way either. He just seemed too involved in the world to suddenly say, forget it. And I don't think that leaving his child would of been an option for him.

(((((Heathens)))))))
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cem on March 08, 2008, 06:55:31 PM
One of the advantages of holding assets in either a private corporation or a trust is that the assets become invisible to the general public.  A will and probate proceedings are public record.  The assets listed in the newspaper account would be those that Heath Ledger owned in his name and thus covered by his will.  If the rest of the assets are held in a trust, the trustee(s) determine(s)  how (and if) the assets are to be distributed. 

I'm assuming you are right, but my guess is a large part of the estate was not placed into a trust.  I assume his two biggest films in terms salary were Brokeback Mountain and The Dark Knight.  Brokeback is and will continue generate money to take care of Matilda because Heath had a backend deal with that film.  Often times Hollywood accountants play some special games with numbers, but James Schamus said the film cost so little that the first week of wide release it recouped it's budget.  While his salary for the Dark Knight should've been at least in the 7 million-10 million dollar range unless he had a bad agent. 

I'm just glad that Matilda will be taken care of and I'm sure that his family and Michelle will not end up in court fight over his estate. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: trekfan on March 08, 2008, 07:49:15 PM
I don't see Heath as wanting to leave either.   He had so much on his plate. He was moving onto directing. He already had plans forming to direct and act in "Queen's Gambit"  he had approached Ellen Page to be a part of it.     And I can't see him EVER wanting to leave Matilda.   She was his pride and joy. 

I wasn't sure if he had made a will,  but I figured that any part of his estate would go to her.

I don't know if Heath made that much money with BBM or Knight's tale.

But I know his estate will be getting a chunk of change from TDK (and the merchandise too)

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Thunder88 on March 08, 2008, 08:06:59 PM
I don't see Heath as wanting to leave either.   He had so much on his plate. He was moving onto directing. He already had plans forming to direct and act in "Queen's Gambit"  he had approached Ellen Page to be a part of it.     And I can't see him EVER wanting to leave Matilda.   She was his pride and joy. 

I wasn't sure if he had made a will,  but I figured that any part of his estate would go to her.

I don't know if Heath made that much money with BBM or Knight's tale.

But I know his estate will be getting a chunk of change from TDK (and the merchandise too)



There was a comment released (as best I can tell) from Kim Ledger indicating that Matilda and Michelle will both be taken care of, called Michelle are part of their family

I'll see if I can find the link. His family impresses me so much, no wonder Heath was a class act.

Terry
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Thunder88 on March 08, 2008, 08:20:32 PM
I hope this works, not a linkee person here.  :P

http://www.showbizspy.com/2008/03/09/heath-ledgers-dad-insists-michelle-and-matilda-will-be-taken-care-of/
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: magicmountain on March 09, 2008, 06:32:43 AM
This article was reprinted the Weekend Australian magazine.

http://nymag.com/news/features/44217/
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 09, 2008, 06:50:46 AM
This article was reprinted the Weekend Australian magazine.
http://nymag.com/news/features/44217/

Hi, magic, that article was already featured in The Daily Sheet from March 1, 2008:
http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=29072.msg1211632#msg1211632
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on March 09, 2008, 08:37:29 AM
theres no way heath would of left matilda he loved her too much
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 09, 2008, 10:02:38 AM
Cast of IMT getting their Indi Spirit ensemble Award, Haynes praises Heath's music vids and talks about the first film Heath wanted to direct:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: friend on March 09, 2008, 11:47:37 AM
Cast of IMT getting their Indi Spirit ensemble Award, Haynes praises Heath's music vids and talks about the first film Heath wanted to direct:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo)

I couldnt stop the tears watching that
Thanks for the link ynnaf
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 09, 2008, 11:50:52 AM
You are welcome! Heath had so many talents... acting, directing, sports, chess. Very admirable. It's so sad he's gone! :(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: sparklemotion on March 09, 2008, 01:17:34 PM
Here's a link to another video directed by Heath. (apologies if it had been posted here before, it was new to me)
Ben Harper - Reason To Mourn (http://www.wearethemasses.com/musicvideos/bh_reason.html)
Heath's other videos (B. Harper, Nfa) are linked on this page (http://www.wearethemasses.com/thework.html), too.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on March 09, 2008, 03:41:28 PM
Cast of IMT getting their Indi Spirit ensemble Award, Haynes praises Heath's music vids and talks about the first film Heath wanted to direct:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo)

I couldnt stop the tears watching that
Thanks for the link ynnaf

It ripped my heart watch this  :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Mule on March 09, 2008, 03:50:09 PM
Cast of IMT getting their Indi Spirit ensemble Award, Haynes praises Heath's music vids and talks about the first film Heath wanted to direct:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo)

I couldnt stop the tears watching that
Thanks for the link ynnaf

 :'( :'( :'( (Will it ever get less painful?!)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 09, 2008, 03:52:25 PM
Cast of IMT getting their Indi Spirit ensemble Award, Haynes praises Heath's music vids and talks about the first film Heath wanted to direct:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo)

I couldnt stop the tears watching that
Thanks for the link ynnaf

It ripped my heart watch this  :'(
I agree, Gres. What a beautiful tribute.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: equally dour on March 09, 2008, 03:56:55 PM
Cast of IMT getting their Indi Spirit ensemble Award, Haynes praises Heath's music vids and talks about the first film Heath wanted to direct:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo)

I couldnt stop the tears watching that
Thanks for the link ynnaf

 :'( :'( :'( (Will it ever get less painful?!)

So, I guess it's for the best that I haven't seen it yet  :-\

I would like to spend at least one day not feeling like shit over Heath  :(

((((Heathens))))
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: friend on March 09, 2008, 04:11:44 PM
Cast of IMT getting their Indi Spirit ensemble Award, Haynes praises Heath's music vids and talks about the first film Heath wanted to direct:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo)

I couldnt stop the tears watching that
Thanks for the link ynnaf

 :'( :'( :'( (Will it ever get less painful?!)

I dont think so, I used to think maybe I'd just get used to it, but I still feel completely overwhelmed with shock and disbelief that he's gone.
(((Heathens)))
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Mule on March 09, 2008, 04:12:08 PM
So, I guess it's for the best that I haven't seen it yet  :-\

I would like to spend at least one day not feeling like shit over Heath  :(

((((Heathens))))

Blue kate, I think you should still watch it though!  :-\

He's gone and still feel awful about that (and probably will for a very long time) but it's still nice to hear other people telling the world what a wonderful person he was.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on March 09, 2008, 04:17:02 PM
I agree, Gres. What a beautiful tribute.

It broke my heart to hear him talking about Heath and his talents. We, his fans only can see the finished product of Heath's work....can you imagine how it feels to them who had worked with him and seen his talent be unfolded before their eyes... :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Mule on March 09, 2008, 04:18:55 PM
I dont think so, I used to think maybe I'd just get used to it, but I still feel ompletely overwhelmed with shock and disbelief that he's gone.
(((Heathens)))

I know what you mean... there are times now when I sort of can accept that he's gone and the thought is not quite as unbearable as a few weeks ago but these moments are still far outnumbered by those other moments of shock and disbelief you've mentioned. And I'm pretty sure that this won't change for a very long time...  :'(

(I will certainly never let any other actor or artist ever get this close to me again... :-\)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: equally dour on March 09, 2008, 04:19:26 PM
Blue kate, I think you should still watch it though!  :-\

He's gone and still feel awful about that (and probably will for a very long time) but it's still nice to hear other people telling the world what a wonderful person he was.

Oh, I will definitely watch it... some time  :-\

Just that all those nice things people -- or at least some people  :P -- say about him make the fact that he's gone too much to bear  :'(

ETA
(I will certainly never let any other actor or artist ever get this close to me again... :-\)

WORD  :(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 09, 2008, 04:24:40 PM
I dont think so, I used to think maybe I'd just get used to it, but I still feel ompletely overwhelmed with shock and disbelief that he's gone.
(((Heathens)))

I know what you mean... there are times now when I sort of can accept that he's gone and the thought is not quite as unbearable as a few weeks ago but these moments are still far outnumbered by those other moments of shock and disbelief you've mentioned. And I'm pretty sure that this won't change for a very long time...  :'(

(I will certainly never let any other actor or artist ever get this close to me again... :-\)

That last bit is the truth for me too. I just couldn't afford to feel this much pain and sadness again. Two years of literally grieving over Jack and Ennis and then being hit with Heath's death, the death of a real person, and a beautiful person at that - no, thanks, not again.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on March 09, 2008, 04:25:48 PM
So, I guess it's for the best that I haven't seen it yet  :-\

I would like to spend at least one day not feeling like shit over Heath  :(

((((Heathens))))

Katerina, i agree with Corinne above.....it feels like getting an inside info about his talents. You hear him talking about him and you know exactly why he was so highly respected by  peers but yes it makes you feel sad that we all only managed to get so little of what he wanted to give--it is like you once touched your dreams and then suddenly everything was just taken away without a notice.....
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on March 09, 2008, 04:29:48 PM
(I will certainly never let any other actor or artist ever get this close to me again... :-\)
That last bit is the truth for me too. I just couldn't afford to feel this much pain and sadness again. Two years of literally grieving over Jack and Ennis and then being hit with Heath's death, the death of a real person, and a beautiful person at that - no, thanks, not again.

Me, too, i guess. However i don't think it will ever happen to me again....this journey has been unique, a once in a life time thing/experience for me.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Mule on March 09, 2008, 04:35:21 PM
(I will certainly never let any other actor or artist ever get this close to me again... :-\)
That last bit is the truth for me too. I just couldn't afford to feel this much pain and sadness again. Two years of literally grieving over Jack and Ennis and then being hit with Heath's death, the death of a real person, and a beautiful person at that - no, thanks, not again.

Me, too, i guess. However i don't think it will ever happen to me again....this journey has been unique, a once in a life time thing/experience for me.

(((Marian))), (((Happy))) and (((everyone else who understands)))

Gotta go to bed now (Monday morning is approaching fast). Good night and sleep well!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on March 09, 2008, 04:38:26 PM
(((Marian))), (((Happy))) and (((everyone else who understands)))

Gotta go to bed now (Monday morning is approaching fast). Good night and sleep well!

Bye Corine. Sleep tight  :-* :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: summerdreams on March 09, 2008, 06:17:32 PM

(I will certainly never let any other actor or artist ever get this close to me again... :-\)

I'm very selfish but I'm so pissed about why, from all the celebrities out there this had to happen to mine, why him? Now he's gone and it's not that I don't want to go through this again which god knows I don't it's just that I simply couldn’t find any other actor or celebrity that would come even close to Heath.

He's just a once in a lifetime kind of person and it's all just so incredibly fucked up and unfair-- I have no words.  :-\


Just that all those nice things people -- or at least some people  :P -- say about him make the fact that he's gone too much to bear

*loves Kate*  ;)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oceansbetween on March 09, 2008, 06:28:43 PM
Some audio files:
http://people.smartchat.net.au/~jhml/heathledger/downloads.htm (http://people.smartchat.net.au/~jhml/heathledger/downloads.htm)
-Trailer of Two Hands
-Trailer of 10 Things I Hate About You
-Heath singing in 10 Things I Hate About You
-Heath Roar Speech
-The Patriot - I am not a child
-Heath on Love
-Heath on being cast in The Patriot
-The Patriot - An injured Gabriel comes home
-Mel Gibson & Lisa Brenner on Heath
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 09, 2008, 06:35:30 PM

(I will certainly never let any other actor or artist ever get this close to me again... :-\)

I'm very selfish but I'm so pissed about why, from all the celebrities out there this had to happen to mine, why him? Now he's gone and it's not that I don't want to go through this again which god knows I don't it's just that I simply couldn’t find any other actor or celebrity that would come even close to Heath.

He's just a once in a lifetime kind of person and it's all just so incredibly fucked up and unfair-- I have no words.  :-\


Just that all those nice things people -- or at least some people  :P -- say about him make the fact that he's gone too much to bear

*loves Kate*  ;)

Yes, I'm sure if someone else came along who really grabbed my attention I'd fall for the whole business again. But anyone else would have to be really really special to fill the big shoes which have been left.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 10, 2008, 06:40:13 AM
Blue Kate--

I know what you mean. There is not a day that goes by when I don't think about Heath. Sometimes, I cry. Sometimes, I don't. All I know is that his death effected me more than any other person, even my grandmother's. I, like others, will not get close or be effected by a person I don't even know again. I hope. I hate feeling like a fool.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 10, 2008, 07:19:59 AM
Heath seemed to be something special. He was different than most other Hollywood actors, very down to earth and normal. He also had a lot of talents, obviously as an actor and i'm sure he would have made a great director. He was naturally sexy without trying, a bit like the late River Phoenix (also a very talented actor who died too young). To me Heath stood out in the business.
Even if his fans have another favourite actor in a few years, it doesn't mean Heath will be liked and appreciated less, his fans and people who respected him as an actor will never forget him.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Bethie on March 10, 2008, 07:41:51 AM

(I will certainly never let any other actor or artist ever get this close to me again... :-\)

I'm very selfish but I'm so pissed about why, from all the celebrities out there this had to happen to mine, why him? Now he's gone and it's not that I don't want to go through this again which god knows I don't it's just that I simply couldn’t find any other actor or celebrity that would come even close to Heath.

He's just a once in a lifetime kind of person and it's all just so incredibly fucked up and unfair-- I have no words.  :-\


Just that all those nice things people -- or at least some people  :P -- say about him make the fact that he's gone too much to bear

*loves Kate*  ;)

Yes, I'm sure if someone else came along who really grabbed my attention I'd fall for the whole business again. But anyone else would have to be really really special to fill the big shoes which have been left.

Sorry for the big nested quote here, but i'm on board with everything here.

I think we hit a once in a life time thing with Heath. I don't see anyone else right now in the
movie industry that could even come close to what Heath had and exuded. God I miss him.

I think I need to hang out in these threads for awhile, be with Heathens who feel like I do.

 :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Bethie on March 10, 2008, 07:45:42 AM
Cast of IMT getting their Indi Spirit ensemble Award, Haynes praises Heath's music vids and talks about the first film Heath wanted to direct:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fI7KcDKGLo)

I couldnt stop the tears watching that
Thanks for the link ynnaf

 :'( :'( :'( (Will it ever get less painful?!)

Had another big cry this weekend. I don't know if it will ever become less painful.
For me the pain is so deep that I just can't mourn him. It's exhausting. But he's
so apart of me, that I don't think it's possible for it to ever be less painful.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 10, 2008, 09:16:18 AM
Bcatjr.

I know what you mean. I cried for a month straight over him. Now, its about every other night. Its just exhausting to do. I'm losing sleep, can't consentrate on school, and above all I feel numb.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Hasse on March 10, 2008, 11:52:10 AM
Hello my fellow Heathens,

I simply adored Heath both as an actor and for the kind of person he seemed to be. I hope this doesn't sound too presumptuous, but I saw so much of myself in him. Well, not in his amazing talent of course but in his shyness and his sensitivity and his view on life. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I could really relate to him. Don't know if I'm making any sense though?  :-\ I will forever be grateful for him portraying Ennis in such a magnificent way, by doing so he taught me things about myself I didn't know or at least didn't realise!

I think of him every single day but thankfully I don't cry anymore. He will forever have a very special place in my heart. I'm 100% sure that I'll never feel like this about a celebrity again as actors with such outstanding talent combined with a humbleness and integrity such as his only comes around once in a century imo.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k13/pickopucko/ennislookingintojacksroombbcap.jpg)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: summerdreams on March 10, 2008, 01:34:49 PM
Hello my fellow Heathens,

I simply adored Heath both as an actor and for the kind of person he seemed to be. I hope this doesn't sound too presumptuous, but I saw so much of myself in him. Well, not in his amazing talent of course but in his shyness and his sensitivity and his view on life. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I could really relate to him. Don't know if I'm making any sense though?

Oh but it makes so much sense, I saw so much of myself in him too, he taught me so much without him even knowing it-- to be myself, to be fearless, to never settle and always try new things, to walk to my own beat when everyone around me tries to conform and most of all to be open minded-- for that and for so many other things I'll be forever grateful to him and no way I could ever feel the love I feel for him for some other celebrity.

Quote
I'm 100% sure that I'll never feel like this about a celebrity again as actors with such outstanding talent combined with a humbleness and integrity such as his only comes around once in a century imo.

*nods in perfect agreement*

He was unique in every sense of the word, absolutely irreplaceable and his too early departure left inside me a gap that can't be filled, maybe that's why it hurts so damn much.  :-\

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Nelly on March 10, 2008, 01:58:24 PM
He will forever have a very special place in my heart.

I countersign it.

Warm and sincere post, Hasse.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: doodler on March 10, 2008, 04:16:55 PM
I hust heard on Yahoo that Matilda and Michelle were not mentioned in Heath's will because it was written before he met Michelle. Everything went to his parents and sisters. Kim has said both will be taken care of.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on March 10, 2008, 05:00:51 PM
Terry Gilliam and the producers of The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus just confirmed rumors today that Jude, Johnny Depp and Colin Farrell will help complete the film following the sudden death of Heath Ledger on Jan. 22.

“Since the format of the story allows for the preservation of his entire performance, at no point will Heath’s work be modified or altered through the use of digital technology,” the producers said in a statement. “Each of the parts played by Johnny, Colin and Jude is representative of the many aspects of the character that Heath was playing.”

“I am grateful to Johnny, Colin and Jude for coming on board and to everyone else who has made it possible for us to finish the film,” added director Terry Gilliam. “I am delighted that Heath’s brilliant performance can be shared with the world. We are looking forward to finishing the movie and, through the film, with a modicum of humility, being able to touch people’s hearts and souls as Heath was able to do.”

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/03/10/jude-law-dream/
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 10, 2008, 05:40:58 PM
Thanks for that, Lola. I'm so pleased he - and we - won't lose any of his work in this film.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 10, 2008, 05:47:58 PM

Had another big cry this weekend. I don't know if it will ever become less painful.
For me the pain is so deep that I just can't mourn him. It's exhausting. But he's
so apart of me, that I don't think it's possible for it to ever be less painful.

Bethie, please do hang around. We are all feeling so bereft here. I sat in bed last night and cried heaps. I often cry while I'm driving. Maybe it's because I live in a bushy area and I think about how much Heath loved Australia. But then I used to cry over Ennis and Jack as well, while driving. Not very safe.

I know what you mean about the pain. There's a constant leaden lump inside me that doesn't shift. Heath was so, so special. It's only right that losing him should hurt so much.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on March 10, 2008, 06:02:23 PM
Thanks for that, Lola. I'm so pleased he - and we - won't lose any of his work in this film.

Me too!

(((HUGS)))
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 10, 2008, 07:37:19 PM
well I finally figured out why I am so darn attached to this man....

Heath was so utterly normal in the face of abnormalcy (ie: showbiz and all that it ecompasses).  Most stars show us their "roles".  They have a role for when they are out and about, a role for talk shows/interviews and awards...etc.  Heath really didn't do that (or so I could see anyway).  Yes he hid most of his true self from the public, we all do that.  But you could tell that what you saw is what you got.  Those eyes didn't hide much, the vulnerability was plain and so endearing.  He didn't cave to what was expected of him, he obviously had manners and a darling sense of humbleness that you don't see very often.  And of course the way he dressed, even to black-tie functions.  He looked awesome in a tux, but he obviously preferred to wear what made him comfortable - how can you fault him for that considering how uncomfortable he was with those things.  He was true to himself, and what a flattering trait that was.  I adored him for his so-called flaws, and because of them. :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Melisande on March 10, 2008, 07:41:30 PM
I had lunch a couple of weeks ago with a friend who doesn't know about the forum and doesn't know much about my Brokeback obsession. Brokeback came up in the conversation (  :-[ ), and she said, "Wasn't it sad about Heath Ledger?" I agreed, sad, sad, sad, sad, sad, managed to stop myself after a while. Then she said she guessed it was just an accident. So that's the impression that one person on the street got from the news stories.  :) It made me feel better.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on March 10, 2008, 07:47:25 PM
Terry Gilliam and the producers of The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus just confirmed rumors today that Jude, Johnny Depp and Colin Farrell will help complete the film following the sudden death of Heath Ledger on Jan. 22.

“Since the format of the story allows for the preservation of his entire performance, at no point will Heath’s work be modified or altered through the use of digital technology,” the producers said in a statement. “Each of the parts played by Johnny, Colin and Jude is representative of the many aspects of the character that Heath was playing.”

“I am grateful to Johnny, Colin and Jude for coming on board and to everyone else who has made it possible for us to finish the film,” added director Terry Gilliam. “I am delighted that Heath’s brilliant performance can be shared with the world. We are looking forward to finishing the movie and, through the film, with a modicum of humility, being able to touch people’s hearts and souls as Heath was able to do.”

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/03/10/jude-law-dream/
that's good news., very good news.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on March 10, 2008, 07:49:35 PM
Meli, isn't it nice when Jane Q Public confirms his universal impact, even in a small way? It lends a very real-world impact to our shared obsession here...
nice story.

My niece, I think I mentioned before, called me from college to commiserate over Heath. I had only mentioned him once or twice to her.....people get it. The guy was utterly cool.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 10, 2008, 07:57:50 PM
A male friend murmured to me when we met for the first time afterwards, "It's a tragedy". I think the strength of Heath's personality and abilities quietly made itself known to those who were prepared to see past the mag rubbish. Truth will out in the end.

Oddly enough, the supposed bones of Ned Kelly are about to be excavated after 127 years of confusion.  I would like to picture Heath doing a little guidance from beyond. Dig here, seek there.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 11, 2008, 06:49:32 AM
well I finally figured out why I am so darn attached to this man....

Heath was so utterly normal in the face of abnormalcy (ie: showbiz and all that it ecompasses).  Most stars show us their "roles".  They have a role for when they are out and about, a role for talk shows/interviews and awards...etc.  Heath really didn't do that (or so I could see anyway).  Yes he hid most of his true self from the public, we all do that.  But you could tell that what you saw is what you got.  Those eyes didn't hide much, the vulnerability was plain and so endearing.  He didn't cave to what was expected of him, he obviously had manners and a darling sense of humbleness that you don't see very often.  And of course the way he dressed, even to black-tie functions.  He looked awesome in a tux, but he obviously preferred to wear what made him comfortable - how can you fault him for that considering how uncomfortable he was with those things.  He was true to himself, and what a flattering trait that was.  I adored him for his so-called flaws, and because of them. :)


My Reason too.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 11, 2008, 08:07:27 AM
Hey Guys over at Huffington Post there an article about Heath assets. They are saying he was only worth a couple of $100,000. But I thought he got $10million for Batman? So, what gives.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 11, 2008, 08:20:57 AM
Tom, i don't think he got 10 mills for Batman, more like 3 max. 5 mills. Don't know if he already got the money though...
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on March 11, 2008, 08:26:39 AM
Tom, i don't think he got 10 mills for Batman, more like 3 max. 5 mills. Don't know if he already got the money though...

Wasn't he paying $25k a month for his Soho loft?

I think he was worth a couple hundred thousand back in 2003 when the will was written.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 11, 2008, 08:46:57 AM
Tom, i don't think he got 10 mills for Batman, more like 3 max. 5 mills. Don't know if he already got the money though...

Wasn't he paying $25k a month for his Soho loft?

I think he was worth a couple hundred thousand back in 2003 when the will was written.


That makes sense. But of course, people just assumed he spent the money on drugs.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: trekfan on March 11, 2008, 03:31:10 PM
what they are reporting is only assets he had in NY.   He had much more than that.  Most of his interests were in trust funds.   Stuff we will not be privy to.   

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 11, 2008, 03:42:34 PM
I'm sorry, I really don't mean to be rude here but this is actually nobody's business except those directly involved. He was such a private person that I cringe on his behalf to think of what intimate private things people are discussing about him right now. I think it is reallly disrespectful and not anything anyone needs to know. The media are feeding on it because it sells copy. Shame on them!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Nadine on March 11, 2008, 04:18:14 PM
I'm sorry, I really don't mean to be rude here but this is actually nobody's business except those directly involved. He was such a private person that I cringe on his behalf to think of what intimate private things people are discussing about him right now. I think it is reallly disrespectful and not anything anyone needs to know. The media are feeding on it because it sells copy. Shame on them!

...and the people who will "benefit" from any inheritance would give up any amount of  money a million times over just to have Heath back again. What comfort is money when someone special and irreplaceable is gone for ever?!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on March 11, 2008, 04:19:22 PM
Ledger's smile lit up room, says Melbourne mate.

One of Heath Ledger's closest friends has paid tribute to the actor whose heart,
he says, stayed in his home town of Perth and whose smile lit up the room

http://www.theage.com.au/news/people/ledgers-smile-lit-room/2008/01/25/1201157654643.html?s_cid=rss_news
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Nadine on March 11, 2008, 04:43:34 PM
Ledger's smile lit up room, says Melbourne mate.

One of Heath Ledger's closest friends has paid tribute to the actor whose heart,
he says, stayed in his home town of Perth and whose smile lit up the room

http://www.theage.com.au/news/people/ledgers-smile-lit-room/2008/01/25/1201157654643.html?s_cid=rss_news

Thanks, Roco, for posting such a lovely,moving article, a beautiful testament to what a beautiful person Heath was from someone who knew him as a long-time close friend. One of the most wonderful things about Heath for me was that he was so "un-Hollywood" and this sweet tribute underlines this.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 12, 2008, 06:41:56 AM
(cross posting in Planet)
This popped up 1 hour ago: an interview with Ang Lee, reminiscing about Heath and BBM filming.
If somebody could make a written abstract of what he says for the forum members who are at work,
it would be nice indeed.

http://video.accesshollywood.com/player/?id=228082

"ShoWest 2008: Ang Lee Reflects On Heath Ledger
In this emotional interview with Tony Potts, director Ang Lee reflects on working with the late Australian actor Heath Ledger during the making of his Oscar winning film, "Brokeback Mountain." "
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 12, 2008, 06:52:50 AM
I have replied on the other thread also but Ang Lee said 'I gave the best parts of me to Heath. The parts even my family don't get to see' I almost cried.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 12, 2008, 07:32:14 AM
what they are reporting is only assets he had in NY.   He had much more than that.  Most of his interests were in trust funds.   Stuff we will not be privy to.   



Thanks for verifying.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on March 12, 2008, 10:27:22 AM
Yeah, I can't access the Ang Lee video interview either  :(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 12, 2008, 10:35:35 AM
what they are reporting is only assets he had in NY.   He had much more than that.  Most of his interests were in trust funds.   Stuff we will not be privy to.   



Thanks for verifying.

yeah the radio guys here where I live where going on about how he didn't leave anything, how he only had so much in his will etc.  I felt like phoning in and giving them a peice of my mind!  But they are only going by what the news is saying, so there was no point.  >:(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: summerdreams on March 12, 2008, 10:48:12 AM
(cross posting in Planet)
This popped up 1 hour ago: an interview with Ang Lee, reminiscing about Heath and BBM filming.
If somebody could make a written abstract of what he says for the forum members who are at work,
it would be nice indeed.

http://video.accesshollywood.com/player/?id=228082

"ShoWest 2008: Ang Lee Reflects On Heath Ledger
In this emotional interview with Tony Potts, director Ang Lee reflects on working with the late Australian actor Heath Ledger during the making of his Oscar winning film, "Brokeback Mountain." "


Thank you so much for this, it was rather difficult to watch and hearing Ang's sweet and touching words about our boy made me miss him even more.  :-\

Ang truly is a special person, well it takes one to know one, Heath I mean. From the video I could tell he had a great deal of respect and appreciation for Heath as an actor and as a human being and that he was genuinely affected by his passing. Who in their right mind wouldn't be?  :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 12, 2008, 11:02:27 AM
(cross posting in Planet)
This popped up 1 hour ago: an interview with Ang Lee, reminiscing about Heath and BBM filming.
If somebody could make a written abstract of what he says for the forum members who are at work,
it would be nice indeed.

http://video.accesshollywood.com/player/?id=228082

"ShoWest 2008: Ang Lee Reflects On Heath Ledger
In this emotional interview with Tony Potts, director Ang Lee reflects on working with the late Australian actor Heath Ledger during the making of his Oscar winning film, "Brokeback Mountain." "



That was very moving. Ang teared up in the interview. What an impact Heath made on him and on us. I'm back to crying again. THANKS for sharing.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: full measure on March 12, 2008, 12:13:24 PM
i started to transcribe this, but then realized that it's the face that says most of it, and it would be so cold in text.  i could't put it down, so i hope everyone will find a way to look at it.  the interviewer made me uncomfortable, but ang lee is right there.  thanks for this.

kj
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on March 12, 2008, 01:14:42 PM
I guess it's just as Heath said about Ned Kelly, that he would be carrying a piece of him and Ned's family with him for a long long time; we feel that way about Heath. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 12, 2008, 01:46:58 PM
I  like Ang, he seems to be a great, honest guy. I think he really repects Heath's great work and truly misses him.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: trekfan on March 12, 2008, 01:57:48 PM
Heath saw Ang at the Venice Film Festival and Ang got awarded the Golden Lion (I think)  and there is a photo of the two of them together and you could tell they liked each other and had a lot of respect too

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: full measure on March 12, 2008, 02:17:13 PM
i was noodling around, ok avoiding work that needs doing, and found this old interview (aug 4, 2005) which was new to me, and sort of put some things in order in my mind:

http://attitude.themercury.news.com.au/cheese_ledger.htm
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Nadine on March 12, 2008, 02:26:36 PM
Hats off to Frunner for finding this little gem of an interview with Ang.  What a sweet,sweet man. He obviously had the greatest affection and respect for Heath,both as an actor and as a man. It has choked me up so much to watch this interview,so touched by the genuine emotion in Ang's words,face,his whole demeanour.

 Ang was born to direct "Brokeback",only such a patently good and caring man in what can be a ruthless and phoney business,could have produced that masterpiece of a film which saw Heath and Jake give the performance of their lives. Hopefully,please God, Jake will go on to have a long and successful career,making movies that matter,but the fact that Heath has been robbed of that chance rips me to shreds. Ang ,too, is obviously so sad at the tragedy,the injustice,the unfathomable waste of a great talent and the loss of a sweet soul. He found a rare jewel of an actor,set him among other quality gems and polished the result to perfection. We must ever be grateful to him for that.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Mule on March 12, 2008, 02:46:37 PM
Thanks, frunner, for that link. What a wonderful person Ang Lee is! I've always liked listening to him in interviews... he's such an insightful man. But the way he reacted to these questions about Heath... that has just made me like him even more.

...and it's made me really sad again...  :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 12, 2008, 02:51:28 PM
Hats off to Frunner for finding this little gem of an interview with Ang.  What a sweet,sweet man. He obviously had the greatest affection and respect for Heath,both as an actor and as a man. It has choked me up so much to watch this interview,so touched by the genuine emotion in Ang's words,face,his whole demeanour.

 Ang was born to direct "Brokeback",only such a patently good and caring man in what can be a ruthless and phoney business,could have produced that masterpiece of a film which saw Heath and Jake give the performance of their lives. Hopefully,please God, Jake will go on to have a long and successful career,making movies that matter,but the fact that Heath has been robbed of that chance rips me to shreds. Ang ,too, is obviously so sad at the tragedy,the injustice,the unfathomable waste of a great talent and the loss of a sweet soul. He found a rare jewel of an actor,set him among other quality gems and polished the result to perfection. We must ever be grateful to him for that.

Well said Nadine! 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on March 12, 2008, 02:54:44 PM
I just watched the interview and want to thank frunner for finding it and posting it here......I agree with everyone else  about Ang Lee as a man and as an artist and his ability to get from his actors and actresses their best.....what he said about Heath brought tears in my eyes and it is obvious how deep he feels the loss of Heath as an actor and as a man.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: equally dour on March 12, 2008, 02:59:28 PM
I don't know why but that interview was very hard to watch   :-\

I can't stand it when people say nice things about him   :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Mule on March 12, 2008, 03:17:31 PM
I know what you mean, blue kate... it somehow makes the loss even bigger, doesn't it!  :'( But I also love it when people who knew him say nice things about him because it means the impression I had of him, of what he was like, is right.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on March 12, 2008, 03:17:57 PM
I don't know why but that interview was very hard to watch   :-\

I can't stand it when people say nice things about him   :'( :'( :'(

Katerina, darling...i know how it feels.....it makes the pain of him not being here anymore even sharper. It s'how forces the unbelievable to become the bitter truth  :(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 12, 2008, 03:26:49 PM
My lovely Heathens, i found this IMT interview i've never seen before with our Heath. Click on Heath's image then go to the right side of the screen and click on "Heath Ledger ..."

http://www.rtl.nl/films/filmsensterren/gemist/ (http://www.rtl.nl/films/filmsensterren/gemist/)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Mule on March 12, 2008, 03:57:03 PM
Thank you, ynnaf! I hadn't seen this before either. What an incredibly nice guy he was... so friendly and polite! Such a good man... he should still be here with us.  :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 12, 2008, 03:58:42 PM
Thank you, ynnaf! I hadn't seen this before either. What an incredibly nice guy he was... so friendly and polite! Such a good man... he should still be here with us.  :'(

He definitely should!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 12, 2008, 04:47:43 PM
Hats off to Frunner for finding this little gem of an interview with Ang.  What a sweet,sweet man. He obviously had the greatest affection and respect for Heath,both as an actor and as a man. It has choked me up so much to watch this interview,so touched by the genuine emotion in Ang's words,face,his whole demeanour.

 Ang was born to direct "Brokeback",only such a patently good and caring man in what can be a ruthless and phoney business,could have produced that masterpiece of a film which saw Heath and Jake give the performance of their lives. Hopefully,please God, Jake will go on to have a long and successful career,making movies that matter,but the fact that Heath has been robbed of that chance rips me to shreds. Ang ,too, is obviously so sad at the tragedy,the injustice,the unfathomable waste of a great talent and the loss of a sweet soul. He found a rare jewel of an actor,set him among other quality gems and polished the result to perfection. We must ever be grateful to him for that.

Nicely put, Nadine.

I was thinking about how we invest so much of our energy and hopes into people like Heath, and how, with his death, an important slice of our personal futures has disappeared. Sure, it's not our families or our careers or whatever else is immediately and intrinsically important to us, but it's that less definable quality of enjoyment and expectation of good and rewarding times. We expected to see his films into the future and have a great time seeing them for the first time; we expected to be able to get his old ones on DVD and watch them to our heart's content without any overlay of sadness; we figured we'd be thrilled by his new projects and delighted by new pics of him and warmed by the sight of him and his daughter as she grew up. And we could have come together on sites like this and had a wonderful time just sharing his brilliance and beauty and dagginess and wisdom and everything else. And all that was removed in one awful second of time when we read or heard the news.

And it wasn't just that he was all those things - he was also such a genuinely wonderful person. He deserved so much more time and happiness and opportunity.

I too hope that Jake finds success and happiness, as does everyone else who combined to give us this remarkable experience, but life seems pretty fragile after what has happened.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: dlc on March 12, 2008, 06:32:33 PM


Thanks so much for posting that interview here.  I'd seen the link on the msnbc website tonight but couldn't get it to work from there.  I knew someone would post it here and sure enough, it worked like a charm. 

He was really very gracious and honest with his opinions about him.  Refreshing to hear someone of his caliber speak his piece.  Very generous and open.  Others could take a lesson. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on March 12, 2008, 06:48:38 PM
(cross posting in Planet)
This popped up 1 hour ago: an interview with Ang Lee, reminiscing about Heath and BBM filming.
If somebody could make a written abstract of what he says for the forum members who are at work,
it would be nice indeed.

http://video.accesshollywood.com/player/?id=228082

"ShoWest 2008: Ang Lee Reflects On Heath Ledger
In this emotional interview with Tony Potts, director Ang Lee reflects on working with the late Australian actor Heath Ledger during the making of his Oscar winning film, "Brokeback Mountain." "


I just watched it on TV, this minute, what a sweet man!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 13, 2008, 05:00:24 AM
World Entertainment News Network,  Posted on: March 12, 2008 06:09 PDT, http://www.hiphop-elements.com/article/read/4/17955/1/

Heath Ledger’s closest Hollywood pals, including ex-partners Michelle Williams and Naomi Watts, (...) joined forces with director Todd Haynes - who made Ledger’s movie I’m Not There - actors Sean Penn, Philip Seymour Hoffman, [Heath's] agent Steve Alexander, and pal Ellen DeGeneres, to talk to Interview magazine about their relationship with the star.
Williams, the mother of his daughter Matilda, describes Ledger’s energy and talent, saying,
Quote
"He had an uncontrollable energy. He buzzed. He would jump out of bed.
"For as long as I’d known him, he had bouts with insomnia. He just had too much energy. His mind was turning, turning, turning - always turning.
"He had a talent for everything that he put his mind to. He didn’t know limits. I think that the interesting thing about Heath, which maybe people have only really fully discovered in his death, his how vulnerable he was.
"You can pick up on it in his performances, but it’s easy to overlook because he was so physical and beautiful and strong and masculine. But there was always that underlying sensitivity. That’s who he was."
Watts, who dated Ledger for two years, adds, "His acting was just so touching, so connected in truth. I think he was just getting started."
Seymour Hoffman, who met Ledger when they were both nominated for the Best Actor Oscar in 2006, describes the actor’s "childlike enthusiasm," adding, "His body was always in motion." (...)
His agent Alexander paints the picture of a Ledger as a "rolling stone." (...)

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 13, 2008, 05:03:42 AM
REM's Michael Stipe pays tribute to Heath Ledger at SXSW http://www.nme.com/news/sxsw/35111

REM frontman Michael Stipe paid tribute to Heath Ledger during the band's rousing set at South by Southwest tonight (March 12). Stipe dedicated the new song 'Until The Day Is Done' to the actor (...). "This is dedicated to Heath Ledger, who loved this song," he said, ending the song by shouting, "Goodbye Heath, we loved you!"

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Nelly on March 13, 2008, 05:35:08 AM
Thanks for all the info, frunner.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 13, 2008, 06:54:54 AM
Thanks for the articles  Frunner!  Is the Interview article posted in its' entirety somewhere?  *hoping*

It's really great to see that the people who really cared about him (Ang, Michelle, et al) can put aside their grief for a little while and pay tribute for our (the collective our - the public) benefit.  I know they didn't have to do it, but of course realize that it's part of the job of being a public figure.  It must have been tough but probably therapeutic as well.  It's always so healthy to talk about someone you loved and admired and remember them for all the good that they were, and all the good that they did - and not just dwell on the sadness.  And to be able to do that not only for themselves but for a magazine for all the world to see - that takes a wealth of character and strength.   :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 13, 2008, 06:56:35 AM
REM's Michael Stipe pays tribute to Heath Ledger at SXSW http://www.nme.com/news/sxsw/35111

REM frontman Michael Stipe paid tribute to Heath Ledger during the band's rousing set at South by Southwest tonight (March 12). Stipe dedicated the new song 'Until The Day Is Done' to the actor (...). "This is dedicated to Heath Ledger, who loved this song," he said, ending the song by shouting, "Goodbye Heath, we loved you!"



I have been a huge fan of REM since I was 19, especially the genius who is Michael Stipe.  Now even more so.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 13, 2008, 07:05:17 AM
Aww, love the tribute from Michael Stipe!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Roco on March 13, 2008, 07:27:38 AM
Thanks for the articles  Frunner!  Is the Interview article posted in its' entirety somewhere?  *hoping*

It's really great to see that the people who really cared about him (Ang, Michelle, et al) can put aside their grief for a little while and pay tribute for our (the collective our - the public) benefit.  I know they didn't have to do it, but of course realize that it's part of the job of being a public figure.  It must have been tough but probably therapeutic as well.  It's always so healthy to talk about someone you loved and admired and remember them for all the good that they were, and all the good that they did - and not just dwell on the sadness.  And to be able to do that not only for themselves but for a magazine for all the world to see - that takes a wealth of character and strength.   :)


Very well said.

I totally agree.

We need all his true friends to speak out to remove the bad impression created by the gossip mongers and bottom-feeders who tried to benefit from his untimely death !
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 13, 2008, 07:41:52 AM
^^^^^^^^^

That too!  There has been enough crap said about him.  Too much!  >:(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 13, 2008, 12:35:22 PM
Oscar buzz for the Joker has started already I see....

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,23361048-10388,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,23361048-10388,00.html)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: summerdreams on March 13, 2008, 02:43:29 PM
Oscar buzz for the Joker has started already I see....

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,23361048-10388,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,23361048-10388,00.html)

Honestly the Oscars don’t mean much to me after both BBM and Heath were outrageously snubbed two years ago but I would be very happy if he got one for the Joker because I think he will definitely kick ass in TDK… we’ll see.  :)



Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 13, 2008, 02:57:57 PM
Oscar buzz for the Joker has started already I see....

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,23361048-10388,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,23361048-10388,00.html)

Honestly the Oscars don’t mean much to me after both BBM and Heath were outrageously snubbed two years ago but I would be very happy if he got one for the Joker because I think he will definitely kick ass in TDK… we’ll see.  :)





I've said it before, and still mean it.  Too little too late IMHO.  Yes it would be nice, but I would wonder the motives behind it despite the fact that his Joker is apparently mind-blowing.  :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Mule on March 13, 2008, 04:08:21 PM
Hats off to Frunner for finding this little gem of an interview with Ang.  What a sweet,sweet man. He obviously had the greatest affection and respect for Heath,both as an actor and as a man. It has choked me up so much to watch this interview,so touched by the genuine emotion in Ang's words,face,his whole demeanour.

 Ang was born to direct "Brokeback",only such a patently good and caring man in what can be a ruthless and phoney business,could have produced that masterpiece of a film which saw Heath and Jake give the performance of their lives. Hopefully,please God, Jake will go on to have a long and successful career,making movies that matter,but the fact that Heath has been robbed of that chance rips me to shreds. Ang ,too, is obviously so sad at the tragedy,the injustice,the unfathomable waste of a great talent and the loss of a sweet soul. He found a rare jewel of an actor,set him among other quality gems and polished the result to perfection. We must ever be grateful to him for that.

Nicely put, Nadine.

I was thinking about how we invest so much of our energy and hopes into people like Heath, and how, with his death, an important slice of our personal futures has disappeared. Sure, it's not our families or our careers or whatever else is immediately and intrinsically important to us, but it's that less definable quality of enjoyment and expectation of good and rewarding times. We expected to see his films into the future and have a great time seeing them for the first time; we expected to be able to get his old ones on DVD and watch them to our heart's content without any overlay of sadness; we figured we'd be thrilled by his new projects and delighted by new pics of him and warmed by the sight of him and his daughter as she grew up. And we could have come together on sites like this and had a wonderful time just sharing his brilliance and beauty and dagginess and wisdom and everything else. And all that was removed in one awful second of time when we read or heard the news.

And it wasn't just that he was all those things - he was also such a genuinely wonderful person. He deserved so much more time and happiness and opportunity.

I too hope that Jake finds success and happiness, as does everyone else who combined to give us this remarkable experience, but life seems pretty fragile after what has happened.


Thanks to you two (and many other people here) for putting into words what I feel! It may sound weird but over these past few weeks I've often found that it helps me understand what I think/feel when someone else expresses it in words (as I often can't quite express it myself). Does that make any sense at all?  ::)

Anyway... I've said it before and I'll say it again: Thanks to all of you!  :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 13, 2008, 04:15:35 PM
Indeed, Mule, we all love the words coming from the heart in this thread.  :-*  :'(

More from the Interview magazine from March 18 (to identify easily: it has madonna on the cover):

Naomi Watts: "I think he wanted to be someone who was doing the observing -- not the one being observed."
"He hated not being able to go about his life in an ordinary way.
But I think that, deep down, he enjoyed that he was being recognized for his talent.
I think he was starting to own that and that's the deepest tragedy, in terms of his work.
He was just beginning to own it and embrace it."

Friend Philip Seymour Hoffman remembers the actor for being passionate about what he believed in.
"I remember that whenever Heath talked about something he liked, he did it in the way that any fan would.
He wasn't somebody trying to cover up his excitement about something, or someone.
When I think of him, I see him in a state of dance or something -- this constant state of movement.
It didn't seem like anxiety to me. It seemed like excitement."

Ellen Degeneres: "He was good at anything he did. He and Michelle came over to the house once, and they were really late because he was directing a Ben Harper video. He was coming straight from that and he was telling us about it and how much he loved it. And then we played poker and he proceeded to take all of our money."

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 13, 2008, 05:07:19 PM
Indeed, Mule, we all love the words coming from the heart in this thread.  :-*  :'(

More from the Interview magazine from March 18 (to identify easily: it has madonna on the cover):

Naomi Watts: "I think he wanted to be someone who was doing the observing -- not the one being observed."
"He hated not being able to go about his life in an ordinary way.
But I think that, deep down, he enjoyed that he was being recognized for his talent.
I think he was starting to own that and that's the deepest tragedy, in terms of his work.
He was just beginning to own it and embrace it."

Friend Philip Seymour Hoffman remembers the actor for being passionate about what he believed in.
"I remember that whenever Heath talked about something he liked, he did it in the way that any fan would.
He wasn't somebody trying to cover up his excitement about something, or someone.
When I think of him, I see him in a state of dance or something -- this constant state of movement.
It didn't seem like anxiety to me. It seemed like excitement."

Ellen Degeneres: "He was good at anything he did. He and Michelle came over to the house once, and they were really late because he was directing a Ben Harper video. He was coming straight from that and he was telling us about it and how much he loved it. And then we played poker and he proceeded to take all of our money."



I love the quotes. Thanks for posting them! :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 13, 2008, 07:27:48 PM
Re. the Oscar buzz - James Dean was nominated for two posthumous Oscars but won neither. Sentimentality won't get Heath over the line, I suspect. Fellow Australian Peter Finch was the only one who won posthumously, for Network, but they were Best Actor awards. No posthumous Supporting actor awards that I can find. I can't believe I'm writing any of this.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 13, 2008, 07:29:19 PM
Is there more in the printed copy of Interview? Should I bends over backwards to get a copy? I don't know if it is even sold here in the Antipodes.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 13, 2008, 07:30:38 PM
Re. the Oscar buzz - James Dean was nominated for two posthumous Oscars but won neither. Sentimentality won't get Heath over the line, I suspect. Fellow Australian Peter Finch was the only one who won posthumously, for Network, but they were Best Actor awards. No posthumous Supporting actor awards that I can find. I can't believe I'm writing any of this.

yeah I hear you hon.   :-\   I just hope the other people (the ones who did not see BBM, Monsters Ball, etc and haven't appreciated what a fine actor he really was) to finally open their eyes to the huge talent we lost.  :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 13, 2008, 07:35:34 PM
Re. the Oscar buzz - James Dean was nominated for two posthumous Oscars but won neither. Sentimentality won't get Heath over the line, I suspect. Fellow Australian Peter Finch was the only one who won posthumously, for Network, but they were Best Actor awards. No posthumous Supporting actor awards that I can find. I can't believe I'm writing any of this.

What I'm hoping is that Heath would qualify for the best actor category---I'm thinking that's entirely possible, if he
has as much prominance and screen time as he seems to have in the film. I
I think if he wins it will be entirely based on merit, and not for sentimentality.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 13, 2008, 07:37:19 PM
Is there more in the printed copy of Interview? Should I bends over backwards to get a copy? I don't know if it is even sold here in the Antipodes.

I think there is, because Sean Penn was also there and I haven't seen anything from him yet.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 13, 2008, 07:59:15 PM
Re. the Oscar buzz - James Dean was nominated for two posthumous Oscars but won neither. Sentimentality won't get Heath over the line, I suspect. Fellow Australian Peter Finch was the only one who won posthumously, for Network, but they were Best Actor awards. No posthumous Supporting actor awards that I can find. I can't believe I'm writing any of this.

What I'm hoping is that Heath would qualify for the best actor category---I'm thinking that's entirely possible, if he
has as much prominance and screen time as he seems to have in the film. I
I think if he wins it will be entirely based on merit, and not for sentimentality.

An ex-DFCer who keeps tabs on these things tells me this is unlikely to happen, much as I'd like it to.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 13, 2008, 08:19:13 PM
I thought it's worthy saving it here (from the Planet):
An interesting insight from a poster in this forum who works in the mass-media.
http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=28841.msg1227584#msg1227584
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 14, 2008, 08:35:53 AM
http://www.heathbaby.com/k2news/Archive.php?Action=ShowNews&NewsID=470 (http://www.heathbaby.com/k2news/Archive.php?Action=ShowNews&NewsID=470)

"Hannah has very blond hair so they had to darken it. They got half of it done in the make-up trailer when she leapt out of the chair and refused to continue.

"Heath walked in and completely calmed her down. It was remarkable. It was the beginning of a great trust and friendship between them."

Stewart recalls one day he and Hannah were sitting on the steps of her trailer when Ledger passed by.

"Hannah just nonchalantly called him daddy. Heath buckled over laughing."

One of Hannah's major scenes was filmed in Fort McLeod.

Ledger had his motorcycle shipped in from L.A. and had been polishing it for hours when Hannah came over and asked if she could help.

"He gave her a rag and she proceeded to undo most of what he'd accomplished. He found the humour in it," says Stewart.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 14, 2008, 09:24:12 AM
Sweet. So that was Hannah Stewart, the little moppet who played Alma Junior aged three. Daddy, bring big fish.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: trekfan on March 14, 2008, 09:34:56 AM

This is an article by the screenwriter of Queen's Gambit,  which was to be Heath's directorial debut

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/film-and-tv/features/heath-ledger--a-prophetic-tragedy-795344.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Nadine on March 14, 2008, 10:15:08 AM
Sweet. So that was Hannah Stewart, the little moppet who played Alma Junior aged three. Daddy, bring big fish.

No wonder Hannah's relationship with Ennis as little Alma was so sweet,natural and charming as she obviously adored Heath behind the scenes too. It was really moving how she clung to a weeping Michelle too as Alma watched Jack and Ennis leave.Every casting decision for BBM was just perfect,almost pre-ordained,if I'm not getting too carried away(and there are those who say that I should be!).
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: MountainMouse on March 14, 2008, 10:17:21 PM
REM's Michael Stipe pays tribute to Heath Ledger at SXSW http://www.nme.com/news/sxsw/35111

REM frontman Michael Stipe paid tribute to Heath Ledger during the band's rousing set at South by Southwest tonight (March 12). Stipe dedicated the new song 'Until The Day Is Done' to the actor (...). "This is dedicated to Heath Ledger, who loved this song," he said, ending the song by shouting, "Goodbye Heath, we loved you!"



I've been trying to get hold of the lyrics for this ballad, to get a bit closer to what he liked and therefore what he was like.
Not much luck, the album is still to come out so no official lyrics as such, but got hold of this 'reconstruction'

Until The Day is Done

The battles been lost the war was not won
The battle republic had built a refund
Business first flatters ???
The good and desired come choose your ???

Providence blinked he’s in the sun
Where are we left to carry on
Until the day is done
Until the day is done

So we’ve written our stories to entertain
These notions of glory of  bull market
The teleprompt flutters the power surge breaks
The ? message falls into routine

Providence blinked he’s in the sun
Where are we left to carry on
Until the day is done
Until the day is done

What’s the  ??
What’s the pigeon calls
What have I done what have I done?

So hold tight your babies and your governments
For God will be with us the best yet to come

Providence blinked, he’s in the sun
Where are we left to carry on
Until the day is done
Until the day is done
Until the day is done
Until the day is done

I dunno, but some of the words really freak me out in light of his death and resonate with what you've been guys contributing here.
MM
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on March 14, 2008, 10:39:56 PM
Oscar buzz for the Joker has started already I see....

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,23361048-10388,00.html (http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,23361048-10388,00.html)

Honestly the Oscars don’t mean much to me after both BBM and Heath were outrageously snubbed two years ago but I would be very happy if he got one for the Joker because I think he will definitely kick ass in TDK… we’ll see.  :)




I can look at his Joker, rather objectively, and what I saw, just in body language and his silences and his movements in the first 6 minutes of the movie, I saw what people have said: he's done something NEW. This is always a great Oscar attractor.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: magicmountain on March 15, 2008, 04:30:44 AM
This article appeared in today's Australian newspaper featuring comments about Heath by Michelle and Naomi Watts since his loss.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23374218-2702,00.html


Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 15, 2008, 08:54:57 AM

An article about a second will, posted today:

http://www.theage.com.au/news/film/ledger-feud-grows-over-second-will/2008/03/15/1205472100775.html


SOME of Heath Ledger's relatives may be planning a legal challenge against his will after it emerged the actor may have written a second will after his daughter was born, leaving most of his multimillion-dollar fortune to her....

....Ledger's second will, which is understood to be unsigned, was reportedly drawn up after Matilda's birth.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 15, 2008, 01:34:33 PM
Christian Bale and Nolan speak about Heath:

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=MLjU83IpwBU (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=MLjU83IpwBU)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 15, 2008, 02:06:40 PM
Christian Bale and Nolan speak about Heath:

http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=MLjU83IpwBU (http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=MLjU83IpwBU)

OMG I can't wait for this movie!  bittersweet but excited nonetheless  :-\ :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on March 15, 2008, 02:53:57 PM
http://www.heathbaby.com/k2news/Archive.php?Action=ShowNews&NewsID=470 (http://www.heathbaby.com/k2news/Archive.php?Action=ShowNews&NewsID=470)

"Hannah has very blond hair so they had to darken it. They got half of it done in the make-up trailer when she leapt out of the chair and refused to continue.

"Heath walked in and completely calmed her down. It was remarkable. It was the beginning of a great trust and friendship between them."

Stewart recalls one day he and Hannah were sitting on the steps of her trailer when Ledger passed by.

"Hannah just nonchalantly called him daddy. Heath buckled over laughing."

One of Hannah's major scenes was filmed in Fort McLeod.

Ledger had his motorcycle shipped in from L.A. and had been polishing it for hours when Hannah came over and asked if she could help.

"He gave her a rag and she proceeded to undo most of what he'd accomplished. He found the humour in it," says Stewart.



aww he was so perfect
he was even good with kids before matilda was born!
and what would hannahs major scene have been?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 15, 2008, 03:27:59 PM
Either the reunion morning after or the supermarket, I'd guess.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 15, 2008, 03:29:37 PM
Thanks for the link about the second will, Lauren. I hate to see this sort of shit hit the news. I'm sure Heath would be cringing.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 15, 2008, 03:49:20 PM
Thanks for the link about the second will, Lauren. I hate to see this sort of shit hit the news. I'm sure Heath would be cringing.

He certainly would, he was so private! I wish his uncles wouldn't be so public about it! The family should deal with this privately!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 15, 2008, 05:31:31 PM
Amy Pascal:  "He was always introducing you to 3,000 mates whose names you can’t remember."

Philip Seymour Hoffman:  "Heath didn’t have the cynicism that this business can eventually put upon people, or the pretension that certain artists can carry with them sometimes. He had a really honest quality about him. He obviously had never lost his wide-eyed optimism."

Michelle Williams:  "I think that the interesting thing about Heath, which maybe people have only really fully discovered in his death, is how vulnerable he was. You can pick up on it in his performances, but it’s easy to overlook because he was so physical and beautiful and strong and masculine. But there was always that underlying sensitivity. That’s who he was."

Sean Penn:  "Heath was not simply a quiet and gifted actor who liked to go surfing, though that is how I primarily knew him in life. In the time we spent together, we spoke a bit about family, about travels, but most of all, about film.Yet, in his unassuming way, he never revealed to me the visual poet of the first order who I discovered watching the film clips he directed, music videos and such, after his death. His talent does speak volumes of the kind man, the loving father, and, in fact, the brilliant and gifted guy I really missed out on—that we all did, in the long run. Heath might have been a giant."

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/hum/detail/index.jsp?uuid=2e0657c9-9f6a-4436-af27-79e0b3ae857b&sid=fd-hum (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/hum/detail/index.jsp?uuid=2e0657c9-9f6a-4436-af27-79e0b3ae857b&sid=fd-hum)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on March 16, 2008, 08:49:45 AM
Thanks for the link about the second will, Lauren. I hate to see this sort of shit hit the news. I'm sure Heath would be cringing.

He certainly would, he was so private! I wish his uncles wouldn't be so public about it! The family should deal with this privately!
Amen.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on March 16, 2008, 05:04:44 PM
I agree, it is a given that Matilda will be cared for.  I don't need to know or want to know details of his will.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on March 16, 2008, 05:07:38 PM
Amy Pascal:  "He was always introducing you to 3,000 mates whose names you can’t remember."

Philip Seymour Hoffman:  "Heath didn’t have the cynicism that this business can eventually put upon people, or the pretension that certain artists can carry with them sometimes. He had a really honest quality about him. He obviously had never lost his wide-eyed optimism."

Michelle Williams:  "I think that the interesting thing about Heath, which maybe people have only really fully discovered in his death, is how vulnerable he was. You can pick up on it in his performances, but it’s easy to overlook because he was so physical and beautiful and strong and masculine. But there was always that underlying sensitivity. That’s who he was."

Sean Penn:  "Heath was not simply a quiet and gifted actor who liked to go surfing, though that is how I primarily knew him in life. In the time we spent together, we spoke a bit about family, about travels, but most of all, about film.Yet, in his unassuming way, he never revealed to me the visual poet of the first order who I discovered watching the film clips he directed, music videos and such, after his death. His talent does speak volumes of the kind man, the loving father, and, in fact, the brilliant and gifted guy I really missed out on—that we all did, in the long run. Heath might have been a giant."

http://www.eonline.com/gossip/hum/detail/index.jsp?uuid=2e0657c9-9f6a-4436-af27-79e0b3ae857b&sid=fd-hum (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/hum/detail/index.jsp?uuid=2e0657c9-9f6a-4436-af27-79e0b3ae857b&sid=fd-hum)



i love amys quote as i always knew heath would of been really popular as he seemed like such a lovely guy
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 16, 2008, 05:34:14 PM
Thanks for the link about the second will, Lauren. I hate to see this sort of shit hit the news. I'm sure Heath would be cringing.

He certainly would, he was so private! I wish his uncles wouldn't be so public about it! The family should deal with this privately!
Amen.

I had thought that Heath most likely left a second will. It didn't make sense that he wouldn't have changed his will after Matilda was born (because he took care to create one three years before that at an age when many young men don't think about that).
What this story illustrates, unfortunately, is the buried feud between the brothers that has resurfaced now. Old wounds that were never healed or taken care of. It's sad that Heath's father and uncles had this much difficulty in their relationship. It couldn't have been easy on Heath as he was growing up.
This whole matter should have been dealt with privately but because of this animosity between the brothers, it hasn't. I hope this is all long settled (peaceably) when Matilda is old enough to really know her grandfather and her uncles.
I agree, he would be cringing. It's something he would have never wanted to see---this strained relationship between his father and brothers made public. But, it probably started long before he was born.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 18, 2008, 03:01:06 PM
Scans from new Interview mag with quotes about Heath and adorable Heath/Michelle pic: http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/21586733.html (http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/21586733.html)
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Post by: Serendipity on March 18, 2008, 03:08:00 PM
Almost every family has someone with a big mouth and no sense of integrity  ::) Sad to know that this was no exception.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: summerdreams on March 18, 2008, 03:15:15 PM
Scans from new Interview mag with quotes about Heath and adorable Heath/Michelle pic: http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/21586733.html (http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/21586733.html)

You beat me to it.

Are scans allowed here? If not then remove my post.

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/awesometobeme/interviewhl1.jpg)


 Interview  (http://www.interviewmagazine.com/)
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Post by: summerdreams on March 18, 2008, 03:17:21 PM

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/awesometobeme/interviewhl2.jpg)


 Interview  (http://www.interviewmagazine.com/)
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Post by: Mule on March 18, 2008, 03:31:01 PM
Thanks, summerdream, for scanning these quotes! It's just so good to read all the beautiful things people who knew him are saying about him (...even if it's rather painful, too  :'()
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Post by: summerdreams on March 18, 2008, 03:31:31 PM

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/awesometobeme/interviewhl3.jpg)

 Interview  (http://www.interviewmagazine.com/)
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Post by: ynnaf on March 18, 2008, 03:31:32 PM
Thanks for the scans. I'm reading them and they are great. The pic of Heath and Michelle is adorable! :)
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Post by: summerdreams on March 18, 2008, 03:43:12 PM

(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg73/awesometobeme/interviewhl4.jpg)

  Interview  (http://www.interviewmagazine.com/)


You're welcome Mule and ynaaf, the things these lovely people said about him are so beautiful and heartfelt but they were very difficult to read although I read them a few times before.  :'(



Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: trekfan on March 18, 2008, 03:47:12 PM
I absolutely love the baby bump   gosh I miss that man SO much  :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on March 18, 2008, 03:51:02 PM
Reading those things about him by people who have met him or knew him well just makes me miss him  more  :'(

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 18, 2008, 04:00:30 PM
I think most of had that instinctive feeling that Heath was far greater and better than the average actor. It's lovely to know that those who knew him felt the same way but it sure cuts straight to the heart now.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ynnaf on March 18, 2008, 04:14:46 PM
It's wonderful that this people want the world to know what a talented, unique man Heath was. Even his exes still love/respect him, i mean that says something about him. ;)
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Post by: gres on March 18, 2008, 04:20:25 PM
It says it all  :)
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Post by: cazzyj on March 18, 2008, 04:20:46 PM
It says it all  :)

and then some :)
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Post by: Roco on March 18, 2008, 04:23:41 PM

Thank you Summerdreams.

It warms my heart to see all these heartfelt thoughtfull tributes to Heath!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tweetybird on March 18, 2008, 07:34:46 PM
I was in NYC during the past 2 weeks, for a cousin's wedding. I did go to Broome street - there's no reminder there now that Heath had lived there.

Thanks for the Interview scans. It's interesting to see that the media is still talking about him, and in respectful tones, too. No word from Jake yet, eh? (or is that subject verboten now?  ;) ).
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Post by: friend on March 18, 2008, 07:39:03 PM
I was in NYC during the past 2 weeks, for a cousin's wedding. I did go to Broome street - there's no reminder there now that Heath had lived there.

Thanks for the Interview scans. It's interesting to see that the media is still talking about him, and in respectful tones, too. No word from Jake yet, eh? (or is that subject verboten now?  ;) ).

Is Matilda's name that Heath engraved still on the pavement? Thats a reminder....


Thanks for the scans summerdreams
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 18, 2008, 07:44:15 PM
The Matilda thing is in Brooklyn, not Broome St. It should still be there. Given the way the locals liked him, I'm sure someone is keeping an eye on it. I'm sure it means a lot to Matilda and hopefully to Michelle too.
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Post by: friend on March 18, 2008, 08:37:02 PM
The Matilda thing is in Brooklyn, not Broome St. It should still be there. Given the way the locals liked him, I'm sure someone is keeping an eye on it. I'm sure it means a lot to Matilda and hopefully to Michelle too.
Oh sorry my mistake, thanks Marian.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 19, 2008, 07:19:23 AM
I sometime still cry at night. Its not as bad, but I still do. I miss him, and I didn't even know me. Whats with that?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 19, 2008, 11:09:58 AM
     This is my first post, so I hope I don't cover territory someone else already has.  I was wondering when a really legit biography of Heath might get done.  There are always
books on prominent people, some of them even years later.
    I also wonder if a biography will cover the many dualities we have seen in him.  He was confident but also shy.  Friendly, but also could keep to himself.  Not interested in
the industry publicity machines, but would do well, if he had to.  Sensitive and artistic and yet athletic.  Cheerful and wanting everyone happy, but maybe sometimes not
always happy, himself.  Felt Perth was home, and yet also seemed to find Brooklyn as where he felt finally comfortable.  And that's just the surface stuff.
   Anyway, myself, I really think a good biography should be done, and should cover all the aspects of his life, not just what we might want to hear.  That's not an invasion
of privacy if done with respect and good will, and maybe he would even have wanted that.  To be understood better, when the day is done, and it is not so invasive.  Better a
solid biography that covered all the loose ends, than letting lesser, more shallow books be all there was.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on March 19, 2008, 11:50:06 AM
I don't want to see a bio of Heath and I really don't think Heath would want that.  No matter what it reduces him, tries to define the indefinable, violates the mystique, exploits him.  That's why I know I am looking forward to seeing "I'm Not There":  No conventional Benny Goodman Story bios pour moi!  I think there is a Heath one in the works or already (check Amazon.com).  But as far as a HAL bio is concerned, it would be like trapping a butterfly, examining it under a microscope, sticking it on a board with pins and looking it up in a reference book.  And make no mistake, his family and close ones wouldn't like it.   

I still cry about him too, quite often.  He was extraordinary but it is just the Divine shining through, I believe.  He was an old soul and had some awareness as well I have found.  I find the emotional release good actually since I connect with all the meaningful connections of my life and with the truth of existence in general too and I say a prayer.  We are all so much in the grip of fear on this earthly plane (it is no wonder since this life is so tenuous and tinged with sadness) and the only love can save us (love of a higher order). 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on March 19, 2008, 11:53:35 AM
Welcome, Tony. That's what I should have said first. :)  I'm strong in my opinion about the HAL bio but it is just my opinion, you know?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 19, 2008, 12:09:53 PM
     Thanks for the welcome, moomoo, and I really understand your aversion to an in-depth biography.  Especially the way you put it--"trapping a butterfly".  I would hope
no biography would be so crass as to do that, and, as you further suggested, dissect.
    But there WILL be bio's, whether we like it or not, and I was of the feeling that a good one could cover a lot of bases, sympathetically, thereby shutting down the worse
ones which will appear.
   As for whether he would want that.....through his life he did both keep information private, and yet, sometimes, every so often, reach out and try to show his inner soul.
Am thinking of that portrait that was done.  Surely, by encouraging and co-operating with a portrait that delved into his very soul, Heath was showing that occasional longing
to be fully understood.   Moomoo, it's like he wanted both---his privacy, and yet the inner turmoil and wonderings revealed, and that is not inconsistent with a beautiful soul.
Maybe that portrait gives his answer, that, yes, he wanted to be better understood, and those who loved him would find a way to keep a distance, but also see him as he was.
  Trapping a butterfly?  You are so right---that is ugly and hurtful.  But looking closer as that butterfly weaves through the garden?  That is more what I meant.  But I do see
and appreciate your warning that it could be wrongful.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on March 19, 2008, 12:45:17 PM
Well yes, I recall in the BBM bonus material his saying that he liked to bare his soul.  But he did it through his work which speaks for itself.  See I think there is enough out there about Heath.  Like the pier in Lords of Dogtown, he's gone man, (do you recall that great scene with Emile?).  There is plenty left behind (his films, interviews, even fan tributes).  I also recall in an interview I viewed on YouTube, that he liked to see us all as woven from the same cloth and this is his good old everyman, humble Oz boy. 

He was phenomenal and the reaction to his departure has been as well.  But his family needs to preserve their privacy and I would hope that they are being left alone.  I'd hate to see something on the order of Jim Morrison in Paris.  Everyone seeing in him what they want to see as a justification of their own reflection in the mirror.       

Well, only a person who knew him and loved him could write a bio of him but would a person who knew and loved him want to?  Speaking for myself, I don't like to share my most sacred memories of loved ones, especially not with strangers.  I'm wary of bad vibes, and people are strange (to quote Jim Morrision).  To my mind, Heath's life doesn't need explanations, justifications or defending because any bio is going to pry into his problems, drug stuff, etc. and that's just not anyone's business.  If I were Shakespeare and Heath were living in my time, I'd write a tragic play about his too short life, something Heath-inspired and artistic, not a bio.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on March 19, 2008, 01:07:11 PM
I think I just realized that for me at least, Heath is a poem, not prose, hence my bio aversion. 8)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 20, 2008, 07:16:28 AM

"Can you share any memories or thoughts about Heath Ledger?
Ang Lee: I miss him. He's a great talent and I wish we would have gotten to see more movies made with him. I remember everything. All the memories we made while making Brokeback Mountain, I treasure them. My consolation is that I got to share with him a best part of life in the movies."

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20185085,00.html
Ang Lee and James Schamus Get Frank, Posted Mar 18, 2008
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 22, 2008, 08:55:10 AM
Bit of useless info here that I thought was surprising. For Moulin Rouge - Jake, Heath and Ewan McGregor were the last three standing in the auditions for Christian (the male lead opposite Nicole Kidman). It went to Ewan obviously but it could have gone to Heath or Jake! Now that I think of it, I can really imagine Heath in that role!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Queen_Beruthiel on March 22, 2008, 09:20:48 AM
There is an interview somewhere in which Jake talks about the MR auditions and how he met Heath.  An interview surfaced recently in which Heath also talked about MR, and how he felt used by the producers, as Ewan M had already been cast and they were just using Heath to try out female leads.  Thatmust be a common and depressing experience for actors.
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Post by: Marz on March 22, 2008, 09:23:12 AM
yeah i read that too, i think he was made to believe he'd got the part, but they were just telling people he had it so actresses would addition thats so mean and heath was very sensetive they basically used him
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: friend on March 22, 2008, 09:57:25 AM
Bit of useless info here that I thought was surprising. For Moulin Rouge - Jake, Heath and Ewan McGregor were the last three standing in the auditions for Christian (the male lead opposite Nicole Kidman). It went to Ewan obviously but it could have gone to Heath or Jake! Now that I think of it, I can really imagine Heath in that role!

Didnt know about Jake, thanks for the info.

There is an interview somewhere in which Jake talks about the MR auditions and how he met Heath.  An interview surfaced recently in which Heath also talked about MR, and how he felt used by the producers, as Ewan M had already been cast and they were just using Heath to try out female leads.  Thatmust be a common and depressing experience for actors.
If you find the interview, I'd like to read it, no worries if you cant.

I remember reading that Heath was dissappointed about that whole situation. Knowing Heath and how dived into everything full heartedly, he had probably already started vigorously preparing for the role, even maybe just mentally. He was probably really excited and energetic about it. So  it must have been quite the blow when he discovered the truth.

How he would've been stunning, dancing and singing in a musical.... *heavy sigh*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 22, 2008, 03:08:25 PM
   The posts about Heath being up for MR film reminded me of another time when it seemed those he worked with did him wrong.  On the DVD for "The Order", they chose
to use for the main bonus feature the 15 takes on the grieving scene, sort of like they were razzing Heath for how that  went.  It was awful.  There seemed to be no
working screenplay for that scene and it was up to him to construct the dialogue, plus there was a lot of feverish activity he was supposed to be doing.
   It kept going wrong, and I found it very painful to see him have to repeatedly take his place and re-enter the room.  It seemed like the director was zero help, Heath's
face was pale with the realization they were going to keep doing re-takes, and he just seemed to freeze up and keep making his best effort every time.  In the end, they spliced
something together, but to show that melt-down was, at best, razzing him, and at worst, saying he couldn't act.
   Later, Heath let people suppose that he was a natural actor, that he'd had no training, and that he didn't see what all the fuss was about.  But he had invested in lessons,
method acting, he had worked very hard, as those takes showed, and he took his craft extremely seriously.  I guess he let the other versions circulate so as to deflect attention
from those times when he genuinely suffered, to get the job done.
  The last laugh was on the director, I think, because Heath's ability to show grief (for example, returning to his father, in AKT, and the persistence with the mangled scene
in "The Order") were very likely what tipped the balance to offer him a role in BBM, where the scene with the shirts was built on his every previous experience.
  If anyone else has that DVD with those 15 takes, I would enjoy hearing if they drew the same conclusion, that it was an insult to Heath to include them.  Really uncalled for.
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Post by: Ministering angel on March 22, 2008, 08:36:46 PM
Supposedly it was Monster's Ball which caused him to be considered for BBM. His performance in that film is utterly compelling. He just ripped my heart out as Sonny. It was superb acting, worthy of a Supporting Actor nomination.
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Post by: Serendipity on March 23, 2008, 06:14:24 AM
I saw that too in the Brokeback to Screenplay book - I hope the anal sex scene in MB was not the deciding factor.  ;D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 23, 2008, 09:49:54 AM
   The posts about Heath being up for MR film reminded me of another time when it seemed those he worked with did him wrong.  On the DVD for "The Order", they chose
to use for the main bonus feature the 15 takes on the grieving scene, sort of like they were razzing Heath for how that  went.  It was awful.  There seemed to be no
working screenplay for that scene and it was up to him to construct the dialogue, plus there was a lot of feverish activity he was supposed to be doing.
   It kept going wrong, and I found it very painful to see him have to repeatedly take his place and re-enter the room.  It seemed like the director was zero help, Heath's
face was pale with the realization they were going to keep doing re-takes, and he just seemed to freeze up and keep making his best effort every time.  In the end, they spliced
something together, but to show that melt-down was, at best, razzing him, and at worst, saying he couldn't act.
   Later, Heath let people suppose that he was a natural actor, that he'd had no training, and that he didn't see what all the fuss was about.  But he had invested in lessons,
method acting, he had worked very hard, as those takes showed, and he took his craft extremely seriously.  I guess he let the other versions circulate so as to deflect attention
from those times when he genuinely suffered, to get the job done.
  The last laugh was on the director, I think, because Heath's ability to show grief (for example, returning to his father, in AKT, and the persistence with the mangled scene
in "The Order") were very likely what tipped the balance to offer him a role in BBM, where the scene with the shirts was built on his every previous experience.
  If anyone else has that DVD with those 15 takes, I would enjoy hearing if they drew the same conclusion, that it was an insult to Heath to include them.  Really uncalled for.

Your observations regarding The Order deleted grieving scene are very interesting.
I felt for Heath in that he had to do it repeatedly.
Also, keep in mind that there is no music added to help the actor with the general effectiveness of the scene.
I don't think the public does not get what these are.
But if you pay close attention, there are at least 7 angles from which the scene is filmed.
There is no way one could film this only once with 3 cameras.
Heath knew that he had to give the director the material from which to cut at most 10 seconds in the finished film, if the scene is gonna make it to the finished film version.
I think he is very professional.
On one of the sound-image synchronising things there is the date of the filming: March 2002.
Heath was not yet 23 years old.
There are resemblances with a Bad movie made with Liev Schreiber in 2006, The Omen (a remake of an 1976 horror classic). http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0466909/
Liev was 40 years old when he did it AND a respected New York stage actor, and yet he couldn't refuse making it, --- so I don't blame the much much younger Heath for accepting this role in The Order.
I just wish that the stupid big-wigs in Hwood would have recognized earlier his raw genius and given him good screenplays since the beginning.
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Post by: frunner on March 23, 2008, 10:24:24 AM
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Post by: frunner on March 23, 2008, 10:28:20 AM
It seemed like the director was zero (...)
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Post by: frunner on March 23, 2008, 10:31:38 AM
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Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 23, 2008, 12:10:17 PM
   Dear Frunner---thank-you for the follow up, and am glad to see that you agree that was a tough experience for Heath.  What I noticed was grim determination on his part to keep going no matter how long it took.  I also thought I saw panic, suppressed, that it was going on and on and on, but that's just empathizing with him, maybe.  I still think they included it as a form of razzing.
   On a more difficult subject, does anyone think Heath may have taken a wrong turn in going to darker movies?  He definitely didn't want Beach Blanket Bingo, and said he wanted to take the blonde out.  But it seems he might have equated serious acting with going into darker roles.  This is hurtful for me to bring up, because I am one of those who believe he had lingering psychological effects from some roles---he did say BBM took a lot out of him, for example.  And also, he said the Joker role was emotionally exhausting. Even while he'd be saying the opposite---that when acting wasn't fun anymore, he'd leave it.
  What I really mean to say is that he might have taken better care of his health if he had not been so intense, and playing ever darker roles.  I mean, they were even talking about him playing Lucifer, for crying out loud.  And this reminds me, slightly of the DaDa art movement before WW1 that just decimated the creative world, and left them drifting ever more into a kind of ghoulish Art as God syndrome.  In the movie Cabaret, which showed an aftermath of that trend and a Moulin Rouge atmosphere, we see in the last scene, the nazi brown-shirts at a table in the back, patiently waiting for decadent art to collaapse, and.....their day to arrive.
  I do not mean, and I emphasize this, that Heath took that wrong of a turn.  He was a multi-faceted artistic genius who would not accept the plans the studios had for him.  He knew he had more to offer.  But---did he take TOO much of the blonde out?  And did that exhaust him?  And, please forgive this, as we are all still grieving,---is it possible we might still have had that beautiful person AND that creative genius in action, if he had slowed down the pace and the direction?  Either one, or both?  Is it wrong to ask, or should we look away and leave him as a legend?  I would have loved Heath if he was a garbage collector, is all am saying.  The hell with art if the cost is that high.
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Post by: cazzyj on March 23, 2008, 01:05:25 PM
   Dear Frunner---thank-you for the follow up, and am glad to see that you agree that was a tough experience for Heath.  What I noticed was grim determination on his part to keep going no matter how long it took.  I also thought I saw panic, suppressed, that it was going on and on and on, but that's just empathizing with him, maybe.  I still think they included it as a form of razzing.
   On a more difficult subject, does anyone think Heath may have taken a wrong turn in going to darker movies?  He definitely didn't want Beach Blanket Bingo, and said he wanted to take the blonde out.  But it seems he might have equated serious acting with going into darker roles.  This is hurtful for me to bring up, because I am one of those who believe he had lingering psychological effects from some roles---he did say BBM took a lot out of him, for example.  And also, he said the Joker role was emotionally exhausting. Even while he'd be saying the opposite---that when acting wasn't fun anymore, he'd leave it.
  What I really mean to say is that he might have taken better care of his health if he had not been so intense, and playing ever darker roles.  I mean, they were even talking about him playing Lucifer, for crying out loud.  And this reminds me, slightly of the DaDa art movement before WW1 that just decimated the creative world, and left them drifting ever more into a kind of ghoulish Art as God syndrome.  In the movie Cabaret, which showed an aftermath of that trend and a Moulin Rouge atmosphere, we see in the last scene, the nazi brown-shirts at a table in the back, patiently waiting for decadent art to collaapse, and.....their day to arrive.
  I do not mean, and I emphasize this, that Heath took that wrong of a turn.  He was a multi-faceted artistic genius who would not accept the plans the studios had for him.  He knew he had more to offer.  But---did he take TOO much of the blonde out?  And did that exhaust him?  And, please forgive this, as we are all still grieving,---is it possible we might still have had that beautiful person AND that creative genius in action, if he had slowed down the pace and the direction?  Either one, or both?  Is it wrong to ask, or should we look away and leave him as a legend?   I would have loved Heath if he was a garbage collector, is all am saying.  The hell with art if the cost is that high.

I think to truly honor someone's memory is to not also honor what greatness they were, but to also honor them with honesty.  He had demons, as do we all.  His were just on public display - or the results were anyway - which is one of the many unfortunate sides of his passion.  I know many people have said that he didn't know pressure - I tend to disagree.  When you have millions of dollars and your performance riding on your shoulders (BBM - I know "low budget" indie film but come on $14 mil is still quite a bit of cash) and Batman (100 mil plus I have read) to boot - that my friends is pressure.  Trying to live up to expectations, to dozens and dozens of interviews, photoshoots - on and on and on, neverending.  That's going to take its toll.  That side of it wasn't fun for him - he has said that many times.  He felt more alive, etc (to paraphrase) "between action and cut".  THAT is what he loved.  And to be able to do that is a gift not many of us can say we have - to actually do what you love for a living.  Which is why I think he was turning towards directing and producing.  Who knows though, we only know what we have been allowed to know.  And that is just fine with me. 

I think he can still stay on that pedastal we have him on - deservedly so.  That doesn't mean we can't idolize him realistically either.  We adored him because he was genuine and real and vulnerable - he had flaws, he made mistakes and was honest about it all. 

Sorry i rambled!  To answer your question - no I don't think how you feel is wrong at all.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: divina on March 23, 2008, 01:14:41 PM
Tonydude, I believe Heath's death was fated, and that nothing could have changed that. I used to torture myself with the what ifs but now feel the result would have been the same no matter what. I'm just glad he went peacefully in his sleep (there are much worse ways to go). It was his time and there must be a reason for his departing early, even if its beyond our understanding.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 23, 2008, 01:19:56 PM
Tonydude, I believe Heath's death was fated, and that nothing could have changed that. I used to torture myself with the what ifs but now feel the result would have been the same no matter what. I'm just glad he went peacefully in his sleep (there are much worse ways to go). It was his time and there must be a reason for his departing early, even if its beyond our understanding.


As hard as it is to accept, I believe this as well.   :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 23, 2008, 01:48:40 PM
  Cazzyj and Divine---I was typing a reply to the first post but it got lost.  Am glad you understand, cazzyj, that all that I was saying was that somehow Heath went past being a celebrity and went to directly touching our lives.  So it would then be normal to worrywort about the person and to try to put the legend aside.
  As far as it was all meant to be--I can't help having opposite reactions.  Part of me sees it as defeatist to accept something as fated, and setting us all up for a melancholy co-operation with all the bad that might be avoided.  But, yeah, part of me, like you both, sees that there are some cases when there is no way to overthrow fate.  Whatever helps you be at peace with this loss, should never be challenged.  Try, though, if you find it no hurt, to let others rage against an event, whether fated or not.  We do have in common, the same grief, and how we settle up on it would always be each, in our own way.  Tony.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 23, 2008, 02:00:16 PM
  Cazzyj and Divine---I was typing a reply to the first post but it got lost.  Am glad you understand, cazzyj, that all that I was saying was that somehow Heath went past being a celebrity and went to directly touching our lives.  So it would then be normal to worrywort about the person and to try to put the legend aside.
  As far as it was all meant to be--I can't help having opposite reactions.  Part of me sees it as defeatist to accept something as fated, and setting us all up for a melancholy co-operation with all the bad that might be avoided.  But, yeah, part of me, like you both, sees that there are some cases when there is no way to overthrow fate.  Whatever helps you be at peace with this loss, should never be challenged.  Try, though, if you find it no hurt, to let others rage against an event, whether fated or not.  We do have in common, the same grief, and how we settle up on it would always be each, in our own way.  Tony.

of course!  i think that's completely normal and I doubt Heath wanted to be a legend - he just wanted to be himself.  I like him up on this pedastal we have him on however lol  Warts and all :)  I was worried back late last year when I saw those pictures of him at that fashion show - still adored the man as an actor and for what he believed in as a person. But I questioned what was up, of course.  And I questioned alot when he passed.  Doesn't make him any less in my eyes, though :) 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 23, 2008, 02:15:16 PM
  Try, though, if you find it no hurt, to let others rage against an event, whether fated or not.  We do have in common, the same grief, and how we settle up on it would always be each, in our own way.  Tony.

although i believe fate had some part in this, that doesn't mean i haven't or still dont' question why.  nor do I not feel angry towards the situation.  I do.  And i definitely do not question other's grief, the way they feel about it or the way the express it.  That is the good thing about the Planet - we all come together and let each other grieve in our own way.  :)e

so rage away! :) 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on March 23, 2008, 02:32:10 PM
yeah thats what i love to everyone knows how everyone else is feeling about loosing him its when i think about little matilda i break down
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: summerdreams on March 23, 2008, 02:51:57 PM
I think he can still stay on that pedastal we have him on - deservedly so. That doesn't mean we can't idolize him realistically either.  We adored him because he was genuine and real and vulnerable - he had flaws, he made mistakes and was honest about it all. 

I completely agree with this. I don't want to see him turned into a saint just because he's no longer amongst us. That's not who he was and I don't think he would've liked that at all.

I feel that erasing or ignoring his dark parts, his flaws which to me made him more endearing and interesting would be taking something away from who he was as a being, that wouldn't be Heath anymore. I can't divide him into light and dark and why should I, it was his imperfections as well as his qualities that drew me to him, that made him so special in my eyes.

As for being a legend, I believe his status as one will be finally set in stone after TDK comes out, but one thing is certain-- legends are not perfect. Absolutely no one on this Earth is or was.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on March 23, 2008, 02:55:51 PM
thats true summerdreams he wasn't perfect but i still loved him anyway as you say the flaws make people more intresting and real i love heath for heath with all his good points and flaws
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 23, 2008, 03:54:16 PM
(...) What I really mean to say is that he might have taken better care of his health if he had not been so intense, and playing ever darker roles.  I mean, they were even talking about him playing Lucifer, for crying out loud.  And this reminds me, slightly of the DaDa art movement before WW1 that just decimated the creative world, and left them drifting ever more into a kind of ghoulish Art as God syndrome.  In the movie Cabaret, which showed an aftermath of that trend and a Moulin Rouge atmosphere, we see in the last scene, the nazi brown-shirts at a table in the back, patiently waiting for decadent art to collaapse, and.....their day to arrive.

  I do not mean, and I emphasize this, that Heath took that wrong of a turn.  He was a multi-faceted artistic genius who would not accept the plans the studios had for him.  He knew he had more to offer.  But---did he take TOO much of the blonde out?  And did that exhaust him?  And, please forgive this, as we are all still grieving,---is it possible we might still have had that beautiful person AND that creative genius in action, if he had slowed down the pace and the direction?  Either one, or both?  Is it wrong to ask, or should we look away and leave him as a legend?  I would have loved Heath if he was a garbage collector, is all am saying.  The hell with art if the cost is that high.

Regarding "The Order", I see it more related to the Liev Schreiber's movie I mentioned above or to "The DaVinci Code", than to Bob Fosse's "Cabaret".
In "The Order", what was very bad, from my point of view, were the Night Club scenes.
Take them out, and you will have a movie with a little more intellectual idea in it.
As it is now, I see it as a film for very young adults, like high school young, living in the US and who could not quite grasp the Europe and the very old things there.

About taking the blonde out, -- I think you are referring to levity and comedy roles -- he had that enough in "Brothers Grimm", for example.
"Brothers Grimm. Eliminating the Evil since 1812." (or something like that, written on one of the movie's posters! LMAO!)
Bros.Grimm and Casanova constitute the levity that I personally liked, not quite high brow, but still very intelligent,
and Heath ought to be commended for these choices.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Mule on March 23, 2008, 04:00:40 PM
I completely agree with this. I don't want to see him turned into a saint just because he's no longer amongst us. That's not who he was and I don't think he would've liked that at all.

I feel that erasing or ignoring his dark parts, his flaws which to me made him more endearing and interesting would be taking something away from who he was as a being, that wouldn't be Heath anymore. I can't divide him into light and dark and why should I, it was his imperfections as well as his qualities that drew me to him, that made him so special in my eyes.

As for being a legend, I believe his status as one will be finally set in stone after TDK comes out, but one thing is certain-- legends are not perfect. Absolutely no one on this Earth is or was.

That is so true! And very well said.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 23, 2008, 04:13:51 PM
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Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 23, 2008, 09:13:26 PM
Tony, that was an interesting post. I guess we should remember that when Heath spoke about taking the blond out of his career he was refering to the sort of roles that people were urging him to make. What he did was to reject that easy career path and instead take on roles that HE wanted to make. Did this bring on his early death? I don't think so. I think he would have been stultified if he had done what they wanted, the blond roles, and he might well have turned his back on the industry or even gone downhill because he wasn't fulfilling whatever it was he felt he ought to be doing.

I think his life was a journey of exploration, both of the world and of himself. He said life would be so dull without new challenges and new things to learn. In addition, he didn't just keep what he learned to himself - he seemed to have a genuine desire to give back to the world. I think his darker roles were just a part of that exploration. Don't forget he said that playing the Joker was the most fun he'd had with a role, so even if it took it out of him physically - which it did - and emotionally - which I feel it must have - this was still balanced against what he gained from playing the part. He seems to have been pleased with what he achieved in that role. This must be a good feeling for an actor to have.

And look at the range of roles he took after the blond-removal. For every dark one there was a light one. He wasn't the anguished artist, dwelling entirely in gloom. He did comedy with a lovely touch. Tony in Dr Parnassus is not a dark role.

I'm not saying he didn't find dark places within himself when playing dark characters or parts but I don't think that ended his life too early. I think it was MOSTLY personal problems that had him in a place where things just happened. He chose his career path with all its attendant hassles, interviews, etc. but he didn't choose the path his personal life took, and that's where the problems lay IMHO.

Of course, none of these things can be separated out so clearly. Everything is iintertwined. Heath was a complex and sensitive soul who maybe didn't have the defences against bad things. He could be hurt so easily. That's just the way he was. And because of his unique personality he was able to give us such characters as Sonny and Ennis and Dan. The two parts go hand in hand. Heath was brilliant because of who he was. He chose the roles because of who he was. We love him because of who he was. Maybe he would have still been around if he had been harder, but then he wouldn't have been Heath.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 24, 2008, 06:01:33 AM
Tonydude, I believe Heath's death was fated, and that nothing could have changed that. I used to torture myself with the what ifs but now feel the result would have been the same no matter what. I'm just glad he went peacefully in his sleep (there are much worse ways to go). It was his time and there must be a reason for his departing early, even if its beyond our understanding.

I tend to agree with this in part. Not that things are fated as such, but mainly that 'what if's' don't help. How far back to go with the 'what ifs' - what if he never became an actor? What if he never did BBM which brought him the fame and pressure he so hated? What if he never met Michelle so that he wouldn't have had Matilda and wouldn't be so unhappy apart from her?

I hope to god no one I know is reading this but I will reveal it anyway. When I was 15 I was staying with my cousins during the holidays. My uncle used to go and visit our gran every day at 6pm. One Saturday my cousin and I wanted to go to the drive-in so we asked him to take us. While he was there with us my grandmother's house caught alight and she was burned to death. My parents drove up for the funeral and on the way home my father had a stroke and the car went off the road. He died a week later and three months after him my mother died (brain damage). Imagine the 'what if's' that could have destroyed me (and almost did) in that scenario? You just cannot let yourself think that way. Period.
 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 24, 2008, 07:16:01 AM
Serendipity,

I agree with you about the fate aspect.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 24, 2008, 07:19:13 AM
Tonydude, I believe Heath's death was fated, and that nothing could have changed that. I used to torture myself with the what ifs but now feel the result would have been the same no matter what. I'm just glad he went peacefully in his sleep (there are much worse ways to go). It was his time and there must be a reason for his departing early, even if its beyond our understanding.

I tend to agree with this in part. Not that things are fated as such, but mainly that 'what if's' don't help. How far back to go with the 'what ifs' - what if he never became an actor? What if he never did BBM which brought him the fame and pressure he so hated? What if he never met Michelle so that he wouldn't have had Matilda and wouldn't be so unhappy apart from her?

I hope to god no one I know is reading this but I will reveal it anyway. When I was 15 I was staying with my cousins during the holidays. My uncle used to go and visit our gran every day at 6pm. One Saturday my cousin and I wanted to go to the drive-in so we asked him to take us. While he was there with us my grandmother's house caught alight and she was burned to death. My parents drove up for the funeral and on the way home my father had a stroke and the car went off the rode. He died a week later and three months after him my mother died (brain damage). Imagine the 'what if's' that could have destroyed me (and almost did) in that scenario? You just cannot let yourself think that way. Period.
 

((((((( Serendipity ))))))))

I can't even begin to imagine what you went through.   :(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 24, 2008, 08:26:29 AM
well the 'what ifs' nearly killed me.

That's why my username for things is usually Serendipity. A more positive look at the twists and turns of life.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 24, 2008, 10:19:52 AM
Of course, none of these things can be separated out so clearly. Everything is iintertwined. Heath was a complex and sensitive soul who maybe didn't have the defences against bad things. He could be hurt so easily. That's just the way he was. And because of his unique personality he was able to give us such characters as Sonny and Ennis and Dan. The two parts go hand in hand. Heath was brilliant because of who he was. He chose the roles because of who he was. We love him because of who he was. Maybe he would have still been around if he had been harder, but then he wouldn't have been Heath.
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Your whole post---very well said, MiniA. Those two parts do go hand in hand.   

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on March 24, 2008, 11:39:43 AM
In The Order bonus material, I saw the many takes in the scene where Heath's character finds Mara as showing Heath's great talent and professionalism.  His reaction is very believable, imo.  Doing it over and over was surely exhausting.  I thought it was done so many times because of the different camera angles and also some directors like to do many takes and make the decision on which is best later.  Obviously the director was not in the same league as Ang Lee or Terry Gilliam.    

Re. fate, I see it as stated in Meher Baba's Discourses:

"Fate, however, is not some foreign and oppressive principle. Fate is man’s own creation pursuing him ...; and just as it has been shaped by past Karma, it can also be modified, remoulded and even undone through Karma in the present life."

"As a rule, accumulated Karma has a certain inertia of its own. It does not change the nature of its momentum unless there is a special reason for it. Before Karma is created the individual has a sort of freedom to choose what it shall be; but after it has been delineated it becomes a factor which cannot be ignored and which either has to be expended through the results which it invites, or counteracted by fresh and appropriate Karma."




Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 24, 2008, 12:02:56 PM
   Dear Ministering angel---- I really believe you hit a bulls-eye when you described Heath as a complex and sensitive soul who did not have a strong enough defense against the bad things.  And that is why I, personally, cannot find peace with the concepts of Karma or fate, although I would not criticize those who do.  For me, there is a rage against that lack of a defense system.  Especially when, may God help me, I do see him as recognizing the problem, and sending signals for help and understanding and maybe even intervention.  I differ from many others, for example, in how I react to that awful portrait of him, and to his video about Nick Drake.  I see him as having been unable to be a downer to his friends and family, as he so much wanted other people to be happy.  That left what?  Signals.  Something's wrong.  Somebody help me.  I see the same in his telling a reporter of his painful sleep disorder.
   There are certain personality types who cannot speak plainly of an approaching darkness, as they feel that would be whining, or would undermine their commitment to always being the happy-go-lucky good guy.  All they can do is----signal.  But if no one picks up the signals, they just are more frustrated at not being understood, and they give up and just keep on the track they had been on.
  No, please forgive me, I don't see Karma---I see a good and decent man who could not say how bad he was hurting.  Walking pnuemonia, for example, and he just...kept on.  If others find peace from the theory of Karma, that's good enough, and may even be true.  But my instincts are that this was never meant to be.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on March 24, 2008, 12:34:37 PM
No, please forgive me, I don't see Karma---I see a good and decent man who could not say how bad he was hurting.  Walking pnuemonia, for example, and he just...kept on.  If others find peace from the theory of Karma, that's good enough, and may even be true.  But my instincts are that this was never meant to be.

I don't find peace from the law of Karma.  I find peace from my belief that Love is the greatest force in the universe and that in the end all will be well but this is not the end and this life is like a nightmare sometimes and Heath's passing comes under this heading).  Though I rebel against his death I have faith/ 

Heath was a good and decent man.  I am told he did not have an easy chart; mostly fire and water, water (emotional senstivity) having the tendency to put out the fire.  I think he was very independent and strong from the lessons he must have learned so precociously.  He had so many good qualities we now know in addition to being a creative genius.

One of the things I have thought about reflecting on his death is how fear plays a factor in our lives.  We are in its grip and why shouldn't we be, life being what it is?  Fear of separation from loved ones, fear of pain, fear of not being able to sleep, fear of failure, it's all there.  And when I find myself crying when I see Heath on film of late I can only say a prayer for him and for all of us in the same boat as we are (Heath saw humanity as woven from the same cloth).  (I actually saw one of his films this weekend and didn't cry.  I really enjoyed The Brothers Grimm.)         
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on March 24, 2008, 12:37:37 PM
Sorry, I meant to quote tonydude (referring to the first paragraph of my most recent post).
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 24, 2008, 01:05:59 PM
   Dear moomoo----that was a wonderful further explanation and made me, for one, feel better.  Please call me Tony.  The tag-name was just a requirement when signing up.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: beruthiel on March 24, 2008, 08:05:50 PM
Re. fate, I see it as stated in Meher Baba's Discourses:

"Fate, however, is not some foreign and oppressive principle. Fate is man’s own creation pursuing him ...; and just as it has been shaped by past Karma, it can also be modified, remoulded and even undone through Karma in the present life."

"As a rule, accumulated Karma has a certain inertia of its own. It does not change the nature of its momentum unless there is a special reason for it. Before Karma is created the individual has a sort of freedom to choose what it shall be; but after it has been delineated it becomes a factor which cannot be ignored and which either has to be expended through the results which it invites, or counteracted by fresh and appropriate Karma."

I guess I see things a little differently (Gee, that never happens around here!  ;D) I don't believe in "fate" because I believe that our lives are of our own making:  before we get here, while we're here, and after we leave.  (And my definition of "karma" is probably a little looser. If Heath is an old soul, or at least an older soul, most of his karma would have been self karma, anyway--not paying back for cutting off someone while crossing the Brooklyn Bridge.)

My wondering is all about how this could possibly have served Heath's life's purpose:  Was he supposed to piss off a lot of people?  Well, he sure as heck did that.   >:( I wonder about the family conference that might have taken place before family members began arriving here.  Did Matilda know she'd only have a father for two years?  Did she object? (I have a similar issue in my family and I'm really beginning to wonder if I missed the crucial meeting because I can't help but think I would have protested.)  Anyway, sorry to veer off in such a weird direction, but when I ask WHY? I am actually insisting on getting an answer. Haven't yet, but I'll keep asking.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 24, 2008, 10:35:40 PM
Re. fate, I see it as stated in Meher Baba's Discourses:

"Fate, however, is not some foreign and oppressive principle. Fate is man’s own creation pursuing him ...; and just as it has been shaped by past Karma, it can also be modified, remoulded and even undone through Karma in the present life."

"As a rule, accumulated Karma has a certain inertia of its own. It does not change the nature of its momentum unless there is a special reason for it. Before Karma is created the individual has a sort of freedom to choose what it shall be; but after it has been delineated it becomes a factor which cannot be ignored and which either has to be expended through the results which it invites, or counteracted by fresh and appropriate Karma."

I guess I see things a little differently (Gee, that never happens around here!  ;D) I don't believe in "fate" because I believe that our lives are of our own making:  before we get here, while we're here, and after we leave.  (And my definition of "karma" is probably a little looser. If Heath is an old soul, or at least an older soul, most of his karma would have been self karma, anyway--not paying back for cutting off someone while crossing the Brooklyn Bridge.)

My wondering is all about how this could possibly have served Heath's life's purpose:  Was he supposed to piss off a lot of people?  Well, he sure as heck did that.   >:( I wonder about the family conference that might have taken place before family members began arriving here.  Did Matilda know she'd only have a father for two years?  Did she object? (I have a similar issue in my family and I'm really beginning to wonder if I missed the crucial meeting because I can't help but think I would have protested.)  Anyway, sorry to veer off in such a weird direction, but when I ask WHY? I am actually insisting on getting an answer. Haven't yet, but I'll keep asking.

We all have our own beliefs and opinions - whatever helps us get through the day, whatever helps us with our lives.  And not just concerning Heath.  I totally believe we have a path that has been chosen for us - what we do with that path is up to us, dependant on choices made or not made.  My belief is that we are the orchestrators of our fate, the driving force behind it all.  One could very well argue that our choices are fated as well.   I guess that might be what hindsight is for, what intuition is for.  I don't know for sure, but it's what helps me through life decisions and events.  My life decisions and events.  Not anyone elses.  Did Heath have a hand in his fate?  I believe so.  Does that make him any less deserving of our adoration and respect?  Hell no.  Quite the contrary.  I also believe he was trying to better himself for himself and those he loved prior to his passing.  Is this fact?  No, because I don't know for sure.  But it's what I believe and what comforts me.

As for your question:  Why?  Why what?  There are many whys concerning this unfortunate, tragic set of circumstances.  None of which will be answered - I learned a long time ago not to question death - and I learned it the hard way.  I don't understand why you are insisting on an answer - but it's not for me to understand or question.  You obviously have a reason for asking, I just don't have an answer for you.  I guess you'll just have to keep asking until someone gives that to you. :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 25, 2008, 04:53:57 AM
I don't want to annoy the philosophers who wrote here about Karma, fate, etc.
Let's say, from a positivist perspective, Heath didn't fit the Gauss curve.
His death was an exception, an accident, an event with zero point zero zero zero zero zero one probability of occurrence.
Not the most probable event to be happening to a 28 years old. And I don't think I can ever accept it.  :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 25, 2008, 06:54:21 AM
Yes, exactly.  There's no rhyme or reason as to why it happened to our boy. He didn't bring it on himself, he didn't deserve it, it just happened. And that randomness is so very hard to take, hence the desire to find a reason where none exists.

That's not the same as saying he didn't do anything to help cause it. He took the pills. I'm not going to die from acute intoxication after taking six different medications. Not this week, anyway. But if I step out onto the road and someone swerves to avoid a dog and kills me instead, it could be said I contributed by being on the road.

Heath took the pills which killed him but on another day he'd have been all right. That's just the way it goes, and the sheer bad luck of it is what is so hard to take. Shit happens, and it happens to good people. End of story.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 25, 2008, 02:09:15 PM
So, does anyone know the amount of toxins was in his body.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Mule on March 25, 2008, 02:48:20 PM
Heath took the pills which killed him but on another day he'd have been all right. That's just the way it goes, and the sheer bad luck of it is what is so hard to take. Shit happens, and it happens to good people. End of story.

True! Sad but true...  :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ben Franklin on March 25, 2008, 03:46:08 PM
Heathens!
I don't want to add to the fate/Karma-debate, because what Mini said pretty much sums up what I think, too. And yet...

And yet I have the strange feeling - it's no rational thought at all - that we as Brokies and Heathens are... well, what? certainly not "blessed", but also not "cursed", but, I don't know, "chosen" or something? I know, all these terms don't make much sense. I guess, what I want to say is: While others didn't "get" BBM at all, or just found it "decent", "good", "moving", or whatever, our souls have been touched to their cores and our lives have been changed forever. And now again, through Heath's death, we have been hurled right into the center of the universe with excruciating force. While others are just mere "fans" of some actor, we are forced to deal with the two most existential, yeah, metaphysical experiences of human life: Love and Death.

Oh, that almost sounds as if Heath died to give us one more intense emotion. NO! I don't want to squeeze some sense out of Heath Ledger's total senseless, absurd and unacceptable death. I totally agree with Mini: It was random - no fate, no destiny, no Karma. And I wish so much that we were spared from all these existential experiences and just could admire and drool for Heath as we used to do. But we cannot. (Well, we still can and should, of course, but not in the same way we did before.) Instead, we have to deal with death - and hence with the meaning of live and the experience of human existence.

And let me say: You all did that with heart-felt grief, true dignity and grace. And I am so proud of you, I am so glad, that we can share our thoughts and feelings together. Well, I guess, all I want to say is: I love you.

((((Heathens))))     ((((Marian))))     ((((Heath))))
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: summerdreams on March 25, 2008, 04:57:37 PM
Yes, exactly.  There's no rhyme or reason as to why it happened to our boy. He didn't bring it on himself, he didn't deserve it, it just happened. And that randomness is so very hard to take, hence the desire to find a reason where none exists.

That's not the same as saying he didn't do anything to help cause it. He took the pills. I'm not going to die from acute intoxication after taking six different medications. Not this week, anyway. But if I step out onto the road and someone swerves to avoid a dog and kills me instead, it could be said I contributed by being on the road.

Heath took the pills which killed him but on another day he'd have been all right. That's just the way it goes, and the sheer bad luck of it is what is so hard to take. Shit happens, and it happens to good people. End of story.

Vey well said.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oceansbetween on March 25, 2008, 08:28:31 PM
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=7124709&ch=4226715&src=news (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=7124709&ch=4226715&src=news)
Short interview with Vincent Fantauzzo. (If this is a repeat, disregard. I hadn’t seen it before.) Heath’s mother was there for the portrait sittings.

“She had input and she knew the idea, and was really supporting it.”
...
“The last thing he said to me was...‘Don’t worry, you’ll get in and you’ll win.’” And he winked at me...
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 25, 2008, 08:47:13 PM
Frank, that was beautifully said. BBM caused us to all look closely at every aspect of out relationships and into our own souls, and Heath's death has done it all over again. When you and I wandered around in the sunshine in Denver, never in a million years would we have imagined that we'd be here, talking about Heath this way. But we are, and all we can do is somehow learn from the experience and take comfort in the friendship of our fellow brokies. And especially the Heathens.

And of course we must continue to honour Heath's memory. He gave us so much.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 25, 2008, 08:49:42 PM
http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=7124709&ch=4226715&src=news (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=7124709&ch=4226715&src=news)
Short interview with Vincent Fantauzzo. (If this is a repeat, disregard. I hadn’t seen it before.) Heath’s mother was there for the portrait sittings.

“She had input and she knew the idea, and was really supporting it.”
...
“The last thing he said to me was...‘Don’t worry, you’ll get in and you’ll win.’” And he winked at me...


He certainly got in, and that's no easy feat. I think it will be the portrait that people remember too. The winner will fade into obscurity, pleasant though it was.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 25, 2008, 09:46:48 PM
I don't want to annoy the philosophers who wrote here about Karma, fate, etc.
Let's say, from a positivist perspective, Heath didn't fit the Gauss curve.
His death was an exception, an accident, an event with zero point zero zero zero zero zero one probability of occurrence.
Not the most probable event to be happening to a 28 years old. And I don't think I can ever accept it.  :-\


I never claimed to be any sort of philsopher nor do I feel what I believe is a negative perspective.  I was stating simply what I believe, what helps me with my life, and I have these beliefs for a very good reason (none of which I intend on sharing).  I wasn't pushing my beliefs on anyone - but like everyone else on this board - I sometimes feel the need to express how I feel.  I don't feel anyone here is wrong in their beliefs at all - it's a very personal, unique experience for everyone.  And I think the beauty of this board, specifically Planet Heath and this thread, is that we can share how we feel about Heath without judgement.  It's all one and the same anyway - no matter how you say it .  We are all devastated by his death, and being able to share that and work it out together is very special.  And I am glad for that.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 26, 2008, 05:54:16 AM
I don't want to annoy the philosophers who wrote here about Karma, fate, etc.
Let's say, from a positivist perspective, Heath didn't fit the Gauss curve.
His death was an exception, an accident, an event with zero point zero zero zero zero zero one probability of occurrence.
Not the most probable event to be happening to a 28 years old. And I don't think I can ever accept it.  :-\


I never claimed to be any sort of philosopher nor do I feel what I believe is a negative perspective.  I was stating simply what I believe, what helps me with my life, and I have these beliefs for a very good reason (none of which I intend on sharing).  I wasn't pushing my beliefs on anyone - but like everyone else on this board - I sometimes feel the need to express how I feel.  I don't feel anyone here is wrong in their beliefs at all - it's a very personal, unique experience for everyone.  And I think the beauty of this board, specifically Planet Heath and this thread, is that we can share how we feel about Heath without judgement.  It's all one and the same anyway - no matter how you say it .  We are all devastated by his death, and being able to share that and work it out together is very special.  And I am glad for that.  :)

Cazzy, "positivist" above was used by me to mean person who believes in "positive sciences", i.e. exact sciences based on experimental proof, like statistics, mathematics, physics.
I was using, in the above, a statistical argument.
The word "positivist" wasn't used to say anything about a "positive" or "negative" judgement.  :-*
(FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positivism )
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 26, 2008, 07:51:27 AM
Yes, exactly.  There's no rhyme or reason as to why it happened to our boy. He didn't bring it on himself, he didn't deserve it, it just happened. And that randomness is so very hard to take, hence the desire to find a reason where none exists.

That's not the same as saying he didn't do anything to help cause it. He took the pills. I'm not going to die from acute intoxication after taking six different medications. Not this week, anyway. But if I step out onto the road and someone swerves to avoid a dog and kills me instead, it could be said I contributed by being on the road.

Heath took the pills which killed him but on another day he'd have been all right. That's just the way it goes, and the sheer bad luck of it is what is so hard to take. Shit happens, and it happens to good people. End of story.


I was wondering, I don't think he took all 6 at the same time. But I do agree with your assumption about what happen. I feel Heath took a pill every 2 hours or something to that effect. I could be wrong. But if Heath did take all 6 at once than perhaps the rumors of suicide might be look at. However, I don't believe that at all. Sorry for bringing this up.

I still miss him. When I see a little girl around Matilda's age I think about Him and wonder how Michelle and Matilda are doing.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 26, 2008, 08:09:47 AM
I think it is just circumstances that add up. I tried to commit suicide twice within three years (thankfully it's in my past now). The first time I took 58 Temazepam and 18 Stilnox and the second time I took 89 Ambien/Stilnox and about 20 Valium. The second time I almost died but was conscious within two days and out of hospital in five. I honestly don't know how I could have survived after taking 89 Stilnox. (ETA Zolpidem are called Ambien/Stilnox/Stilnoct in different countries)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 26, 2008, 08:17:33 AM
Wow, Serendipity  :-*

Tom, the amounts in his system were never revealed. As rnmina said, some of that stuff hangs around for two days. Could have been two anti-anxiety in the morning and a couple of sleepers at bedtime and those two painkillers for different things, you know, bad back, sore chest, different drugs work for different pains.

And bingo - too much of one effect, in this case depressing the breathing centre of the brain, Maybe throw in the rumoured pneumonia so gas exchange is compromised and it's goodnight nurse. Unthinking action + bad luck = death.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 26, 2008, 08:25:43 AM
Wow, Serendipity  :-*

Tom, the amounts in his system were never revealed. As rnmina said, some of that stuff hangs around for two days. Could have been two anti-anxiety in the morning and a couple of sleepers at bedtime and those two painkillers for different things, you know, bad back, sore chest, different drugs work for different pains.

And bingo - too much of one effect, in this case depressing the breathing centre of the brain, Maybe throw in the rumoured pneumonia so gas exchange is compromised and it's goodnight nurse. Unthinking action + bad luck = death.


Thank You.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 26, 2008, 08:32:30 AM
Yeah Ministering angel, my what if's did nearly kill me
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When I was 15 I was staying with my cousins during the holidays. My uncle used to go and visit our gran every day at 6pm. One Saturday my cousin and I wanted to go to the drive-in so we asked him to take us. While he was there with us my grandmother's house caught alight and she was burned to death. My parents drove up for the funeral and on the way home my father had a stroke and the car went off the road. He died a week later and three months after him my mother died (brain damage). Imagine the 'what if's' that could have destroyed me (and almost did) in that scenario?

I should add that at the same time as I took the 89 Ambien I was on anti-anxiety meds and heavy anti-depressants, not eating, not sleeping and generally my body was probably not very strong  I still don't know how I didn't die because I really really wanted to. I reckoned that my will to survive was probably stronger than my will to die, got professional help and am still here due to....fate? luck? circumstances? God?. But I could very well have ended up dead.

ETA the first time my husband took 24 hours to realise that something was not right and that I was still sleeping, and the second time he found me five hours afterwards (he's not very observant). So time was not a factor in the first case but may have been in the second.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 26, 2008, 08:39:46 AM
And the doctors in my case STILL, even today, give me 100 of all my meds at a time. 100 anti-depressants, 100 anti anxiety and 100 sleeping pills.....and you can get them on the internet, or by going to different doctors. Which is why HL probably had so many different meds that should not have been combined.

I suffer from chronic insomnia and I can say that it nearly drives you out of your mind sometimes not being able to sleep. I can understand why it was an issue for him. The demons really come out when you are exhausted and unable to sleep.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 26, 2008, 08:45:07 AM
Yes, I've been through that too but fortunately only briefly. But I recall doing a short shift change one night. I lived an hour's drive from work, dropped a Temazepam after getting home and woke up and set off to work next day and realised that I was still too drugged to drive. Did it anyway, but how easily we make mistakes even when we think we are doing the right thing.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 26, 2008, 08:51:30 AM
Sleeping pills also give you a kind of amnesia - you are still awake but can't remember if you have taken one or not.  I find that lasts from when you take them till (like you say MA) way into the next day. Scary. Real scary. Or it hasn't hit you yet so you take another one. After Heath's death I bet a lot of people got a wake-up call.

When I was working as a war journalist we used to take uppers to keep going for up to 48 hours straight and then knock ourselves out when we got to a bed (and to keep away the nightmares). God I am so lucky to still be alive. The suffering in Rwanda and The Sudan nearly killed me.

(I sound like a mess don't I?)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 26, 2008, 09:31:02 AM
Sleeping pills also give you a kind of amnesia - you are still awake but can't remember if you have taken one or not.  I find that lasts from when you take them till (like you say MA) way into the next day. Scary. Real scary. Or it hasn't hit you yet so you take another one. After Heath's death I bet a lot of people got a wake-up call.

When I was working as a war journalist we used to take uppers to keep going for up to 48 hours straight and then knock ourselves out when we got to a bed (and to keep away the nightmares). God I am so lucky to still be alive. The suffering in Rwanda and The Sudan nearly killed me.

(I sound like a mess don't I?)


I know my friend at work is on the same sleeping pills Heath was on. She said she has to not work in the morning after taking her pills. She is half drugged out of her mind when she wakes up. Sometimes she can't sleep at all when taken them. Her body she saids fights the pills. She said when thats happens she is down for the next day. She does not recommend them at all.  Another friend said the sleep-aid whipped him out. It scared him, and he threw them away.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 26, 2008, 11:10:12 AM
Cazzy, "positivist" above was used by me to mean person who believes in "positive sciences", i.e. exact sciences based on experimental proof, like statistics, mathematics, physics.
I was using, in the above, a statistical argument.
The word "positivist" wasn't used to say anything about a "positive" or "negative" judgement.  :-*
(FYI: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positivism )

sorry Frun, I misunderstood.  Thank you for the clarification, hon :)  :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 26, 2008, 12:58:09 PM
    Serendipity, am so glad you survived, and I hope that darkness never comes back.  Maybe that was an inoculation against a later time.  With regard to Heath, though, I am still unable to get past that we had seen an energetic, happy, creative person, and then we learn he had an obsession with Nick Drake, he suffered terribly from a sleep disorder, and had anxiety attacks that left him, sometimes, unable to breathe.
  There is a psychological theory, lately unused (because it works, probably), called script theory, that could go far to explain so much of this tragedy.  Script theory says our parents, relatives, and friends write a script for us (and sometimes we do the same, ourselves) that makes us a prisoner.  An easy example being a father raising a son to be the football player that he could never be, when the son really wants to be, say, a forest ranger.  Yet we co-operate with these scripts, sometimes to our own very great hurt.
  With Heath, all the way back, there was that golden boy with the winning smile and easy-going charm.  And everything worked towards a script of being happy-go-lucky (which was, in this case, not too far off from the real person).  But what happens when things go wrong?  How do you convey hurt, or being troubled?  The best you can do is to send signals, to hope that someone will see---something is wrong.  Again, that portrait of him shows a soul tormented, and what does everybody do?  Oh, Heath, how artistic!!!  And he complained to a reporter of 2-3 hours sleep a night, and everybody goes---well, he's still skateboarding, so, no problem.
  Am going to have to set up the Star Trek---shields up, against incoming phaser beams, but I will say it all the same:  I do not believe, even with a close-knit family, and so many friends, and the adoration of his fans, that Heath ever felt truly loved for himself.  Only for the script he was following.  And needing what love he did see, he could not risk that by saying---I am HURTING, somebody look me over again, and help me.  Maybe that was why he went to strangers to talk.  On the suppressed video.  On the dawn visits to Washington Park to play chess.
Even there he tried to avoid talk of his hurts, but al least those strangers were free from the script that was killing his ability to fend off approaching darkness.
   Anybody likes the Nick Drake video with Heath, at the end, dead in a bathtub?  Fine.  Anybody drooling over the artistic merit of that portrait showing a man troubled by cheerful demons within, taunting him?  Fine.  I don't.  And I've got the force fields up (Scotty, can you get me more power, quick?).  But I think we lost Heath because he felt unable to risk losing our love, as well as the love of those near to him, by saying----I'm not able to carry the happy script any more.....stay with me and get me through this storm, and love me for who I really am.
   Ahura-open all alien frequencies.  Incoming Klingons, possibly.  Will the deflector shields hold?  Scotty---- incoming fire possible.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Nelly on March 26, 2008, 02:11:57 PM
I like this thread.  :)

I want to kiss you all!  :-*

(((((Serendipity)))))
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 26, 2008, 02:23:22 PM
Tonydude

Ypur post was very moving. It touched me a lot. Thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 26, 2008, 03:02:42 PM
  Dear brokebacktom--- you are very welcome, and please call me Tony.  The tag-line was needed to register.  Was afraid of being so bold about the darkness that hit our Heath.  Your kindness in understanding my struggling to make sense of it all is deeply appreciated.  Tony.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: kazinoz on March 26, 2008, 05:10:14 PM
Ahura-open all alien frequencies.  Incoming Klingons, possibly.  Will the deflector shields hold?  Scotty---- incoming fire possible.

Stand down crewman, I’m not going to shoot you.

Tony, everything in your post is plausible, and nothing that I haven’t thought myself at one time or another in the past nine weeks.

But for me, now, I just can’t think about it like that any more. We will never know the truth about Heath’s inner self. No-one will ever explain what was going on inside him. So for my own peace of mind, I have chosen to take what some might see as a “rose-coloured” view. 

Yes, he was going through a hard time. Yes, he was unhappy about the end of his relationship and missing his little girl. But he was not alone in having these experiences. These things and worse happen to countless others all the time – it’s part and parcel of being alive. Heath was an intelligent, reflective man with a lot of good stuff in his life, as well as the bad. So I do believe that he would have worked through his problems given time.

This is why I can look at the portrait, and the video, and see something other than evidence of a tortured soul. In part it’s because I really, really don’t want that to be true, and partly because, in the absence of any proof one way or the other, I don’t see much point in making myself even sadder worrying about how bad things might have been.

But that’s just MVHO. We are all dealing with this the best we can and your thoughts are just as valid as mine. I don’t think anyone will shoot you down for sharing them here.

Karen
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 26, 2008, 06:00:57 PM
  Thank-you, Karen.  And I do feel your approach to the loss is very valid, too.  I kind of think Heath would, above all else, want us to be tolerant of each other, those of us who loved him, and each find our own way.  Was only bluffing on the deflector shields.  Scotty said the power couldn't hold anyway.  And so far, no Klingons, so, am standing down, as you advised.  Tony.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 26, 2008, 08:20:57 PM

This is why I can look at the portrait, and the video, and see something other than evidence of a tortured soul. In part it’s because I really, really don’t want that to be true, and partly because, in the absence of any proof one way or the other, I don’t see much point in making myself even sadder worrying about how bad things might have been.


I thought this might be worth bringing up again. When the portrait was first unveiled, the artist said that Heath (paraphrasing) was essentially "acting" for the portrait and that when the artist was done for the day, Heath immediately came out of the serious pose and began to joke around with him.
I feel much too much is made of this portrait in somehow thinking it reflected his state of mind. It was a portrayal, something the artist wanted, and a mask that Heath put on, is what the artist seemed to be saying.
If an artist such as Heath is interested in portraying something in a video, that doesn't mean that it can be construed to mean anything more than he was exploring human nature and his creative impulse.
I think Heath was just going through a difficult time, as you say, as all people do.
There's no reason to imagine anything else.
The doctors concluded it was NOT suicide early on because, for one, the pill bottles were still full. People who commit suicide generally ingest the whole bottle of pills. And there was other evidence that this wasn't the case as well so I'm not sure why some
still believe otherwise. It was just a horrible, horrible accident----the wrong combination (perhaps over a period of days) at the wrong time. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 26, 2008, 09:08:07 PM
Without wishing to sound like Pollyanna, I'd like to remind people that Heath was - despite his rather awkward interview style - a very thoughtful, articulate and open man. He had a better grasp of human nature than most people his age. I've always said he had an old soul. He had a wisdom and understanding about people, including himself. He wasn't just a tortured soul adrift on a stormy sea.

This doesn't mean, however, that he couldn't be plagued with personal problems. He was human. But I sense that he could get some perspective on his problems. He was clearly trying to do something about them, giving up drinking, etc.

I feel that it was just an unfortunate confluence of events - filming schedule, health issues both acute and chronic, personal problems, etc. Let's be realistic: if he'd had some bimbo in his bed that night he might have shagged himself to sleep and not needed the pills.

I really don't see the cry for help stuff. He sounded upbeat albeit tired. Sure, one's moods can go up and down and I'm willing to believe that he got caught in a down mood at the time of his death. But a general depression or whatever? I don't see it myself. If anything, he was almost TOO full of life.

Just my impressions.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Melby on March 26, 2008, 09:51:22 PM
oceans!! THX! I had not seen the artist's vid and liked it very much. Found it helpful.
God, can you imagine knowing Heath in real life? And collaborating on something as intimate as a portrait? .......wow.
Good on him for giving the painting to H's mom! I'm sure he could get a fortune for it....hell, fake HL stuff is apparently being sold in L.A. & on the Internet.

I'm like Nelly and want to XOXOXO everyone here.
Thoughtful, interesting posts. Peace to all.

Time to light some candles.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Nelly on March 27, 2008, 02:22:43 AM
Just my impressions.

All views stated here are thoughtful guys, but I tend to agree with your impressions MA.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 27, 2008, 08:39:44 AM
"Candy" changes hands:
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Affirming its place as one of the leading Canadian film distribution businesses, E1 has also acquired THINKFilm's library of 235 critically acclaimed and commercially proven features, for the remainder of the term that Think owns such pictures. The acquisition brings E1's filmed entertainment catalogue to 700+ titles, totaling more than 1,500 hours of content, which constitutes one of the best quality and most important film libraries in Canada.
The newly acquired film library includes Ang Lee's break-out hit CROUCHING TIGER, HIDDEN DRAGON, which grossed more than USD$200m worldwide;(...); CANDY, from debut film-maker Neil Armfield and starring Academy Award(R) nominee Heath Ledger and Academy Award(R) winner Geoffrey Rush; (...). "
  http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/March2008/27/c7572.html
(Now carry on with your inspiring discussion please.  :-* )
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: freetraveller on March 27, 2008, 10:34:15 AM
Without wishing to sound like Pollyanna, I'd like to remind people that Heath was - despite his rather awkward interview style - a very thoughtful, articulate and open man. He had a better grasp of human nature than most people his age. I've always said he had an old soul. He had a wisdom and understanding about people, including himself. He wasn't just a tortured soul adrift on a stormy sea.

(...)


I agree, Mini.
I didn't know Heath as well as you, but I've always sensed he didn't have that self-destructive streak that many mis-guided reporters in the media seem to attribute to him, either twisting his words or using footage to "prove" their theories of Heath being out of control or incapable to get a grip in his personal life.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on March 27, 2008, 11:18:43 AM
I also agree with you Paola and Marian.  Who hasn't been restless at some point in his/her life when young and free but that doesn't mean that you stay that way all your life. People grow up and need different things at different stages of their lives. There is no destructive behaviour on his part to convince us of all those stories that have been around since his death. The man had dreams and plans and when you have them it means that you are not thinking of leaving this world any time soon.....depressed? maybe  he was around that time but it is not s'thing that cannot be gotten over...there is no man in this world who hasn't gone thru a rough period in his/her life. He wasn't trying to kill himself in any way, either consciously or subconsciously if that is what  imply in their stories all those gossip mags and programmes on tv. To me, Heath was just at the outmost wrong place at the outmost wrong time.  :(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 27, 2008, 12:21:30 PM
     With regard to someone being too full of life to take their own life, that was the theme of the poem "Richard Corey", a man who smiled and smiled and then went home and shot himself.  A double edge to that poem.  There was Corey, who could not weep, and those around him, perhaps, that would not let him.  I bring this up not because I believe Heath did himself any sudden harm  (I do not believe that), but because, at a lesser level, the idea that because Heath was so creative and full of life, that he was not in deep trouble within his very soul, just doesn't hold up.  Am using the poem as an example, not of suicide, but rather, of the inability of some to convey they are in trouble.
   The question for me, then, is whether Heath's personal troubles were those that could afflict most of us, or whether he was getting hit harder than we know, and was therefore unable to handle the medications correctly, or make any strong progress against a very painful sleep disorder.  I do believe he was getting hit very hard, from several directions, and this contributed to an accidental death.
   Sadly, but very naturally, we divide up into those who want to see no darkness hitting him, because that adds to the pain, and those of us who see walking with him through those hurts and understanding as the other way to settle up on the loss.  I think he would have had no trouble with either approach, and would have been comforted to know we cared so very much.
  Finally, I also believe he had a strong defense system against depression (and he was depressed-and the prescriptions were partly for that), which was to confront it (the Drake video), and a defense against fatigue (taking long time outs) and against personal troubles (focusing on new creativity- music, directing).  But as someone suggested in a post above, there may have been too many things going on all in one time period, and there went the defense systems.  All I really know is that ---- it was a very great loss.  On that we are all agreed.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 27, 2008, 01:15:59 PM
   I did not do well, in my post above.  The standard rule I try for is to never mis-speak and thereby cause hurt.  Please let me try again.  Prior to Heath's death, we had our golden boy, our beloved, happy-go-lucky soul, kind and generous, and a gift to each one of us in our lives.  He is still that, and ever will be.  But following his death, there were so many links posted in this forum, that fleshed him out more and, in many ways, gave us ever more reason to love him.
  We hear that he wept all night after the water-pistol incident in Sydney, and told his father to sell the house.  We hear that he had anxiety attacks and would curl up in a corner, call Michelle, and she would talk him through them with breathing exercises.  And before they were squashed along with gutter press reports, there were legitimate reports of his wandering through the streets of Brooklyn all night, disheveled, lonely, unable to sleep, ending up at dawn at Washington Park, to play chess with the regulars there.  A televised interview with his two uncles had them stubbornly denying Heath was in any trouble, but with the question of what about the last 2 weeks, they froze, clammed up, and refused to answer.  Even in the suppressed video about hanging out with strangers in a hotel room, we suddenly see a Heath anxious to make friends, and wanting to meet total strangers and get along.
  So, to better explain what may have been a wrongul post above, my question is, must this all be brushed aside and we only honor and remember the image projected by the studios?  Can't we do better by him, by giving him what he wanted, loving him for himself, even with the troubles that go along with knowing a person better?  None of that needs to lead to challenging the accidental death verdict---it WAS accidental.  But don't we have a right, if we choose to, to finally give him what, off and on, he seems to very much have wanted?  Some walking with him on his journey, and that would have included the very visible pains he suffered towards the end.  That isn't a requirement for those who grieve, but shouldn't it be an option, if handled with respect?
  If the Nick Drake video, and the grotesque portrait were not a cry for help---fine.  But consider, please, that if not a cry for help, they were, at the very least, Heath saying - I know what depression is, I know what inner turmoil is, and now, I am showing it openly, to the public.  He pointed there, publicly.  We should look. And we should be allowed to answer what may have been an invitation---to meet him on new terms, and see if we could love him still.  I didn't point.  Heath did.  And where we can, we should accept and love him all the more---that radical skateboarder, that intensely talented actor, that man in love with love, and also, the guy who tried to say--- I'm like you.  I hurt too.  I hope this was better, in explaining.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: gres on March 27, 2008, 01:19:45 PM
I'll miss him all my life, Tony. What happened to me two years ago when i saw BBM for the first time is unique. It is the first and the last one i think that a film can have such an impact on me and  that film includes Heath with his magnificent portrayal of Ennis.......I'm trying to imagine some other actor playing Ennis and still i haven't found one who could do so, in the way Heath did it and affect me so much with his talent to make Ennis the most real fictional character in my heart....cus in my heart Ennis lives with his Jack for real s'where up on BBM and it is great accomplishment for an actor to succeed in stiring such strong feelings to the viewer where after two years still are being there and be more live than ever.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: royandronnie on March 27, 2008, 05:21:48 PM
I am really interested in the idea of "scripts"--the pressure put on someone to be a person someone else wants them to be, like the dad who wants his son to be a football player when the kid would rather play chess. Now, I think Heath was independent-minded enough not to feel pressure per se to be the blond hunk--after all, he did successfully resist entreaties to play that kind of character again--but in a larger sense, he was "cast" as the surfing, skateboarding dude. Most of us didn't know about the directing ambitions, the music videos, the chess even, until he died. We were shown a guy who liked to play around with his hair length, get tats, and wear anything but conventional clothes. In other words, a "dude." We can never know to what extent he did feel a pressure to be someone he was not.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 27, 2008, 06:05:04 PM
     Dear gres,.....I'll miss him, too.  Your words were very comforting.

    Royandronnie, you really did get the script battle, or al least one, that Heath was fighting.  Against the studios and also about doing lightweight but profitable movies.  He refused the script they were writing for him (and, whew, thank God, for that!).  Script theory works very well, and would put a lot of pharmaceutical companies and expensive therapists out of business, so, I guess that's why it's not more frequently used.  It works.
  But I had meant a deeper script "written" for Heath, in that, as a loving, intelligent, charmer of a kid, he let others write the script that he was always to be happy-go-lucky, and, since
he LIKED happiness (who doesn't?) , he co-contributed.  So.  What do you do when the script doesn't work?  When you get angry?  When people take advantage of you?  When genius in creativity, ever-growing, makes you wonder just who you are?  And what about love?  His parents were divorced when he was 10, and that is a shock to any child, let alone a sensitive one.  As times goes on, are you loved for your looks?  Your success?  Does anybody REALLY love you?  What about if you failed in your career?  Or lost your looks?
   My point was that the script that had imprisoned him, prevented his openly and frankly discussing his extreme sleep disorder (one of his music videos says: sleep leads to death), and the stress of his personal problems, and the fears and anxieties that caused him to need anti-depressants and anti-anxiety medications.  He wasn't on them for kicks.  They were chemically propping up the script of the happy, creative, loving person, that was challenged by fatigue, perhaps shallow friendships, and yes, even loneliness.
  The script I was referring to, then, was one where he feared to say too much was closing in on him, because that isn't allowed, by anything in his previous experience.  And that was why he kept working with walking pnuemonia, for example.  Maybe I can really simplify this.  Prior to his death, would we have accepted Heath, our golden boy, as battling depression?
In trouble?  Well, he never gave us a chance.  Unless.....those were signals we were getting....the Drake video and the portrait.  With him imprisoned by an iron script, signals may have been all that was left to him, to use instinctively.  Not words.  Signals.
  Anyway, that's script theory applied to the tragedy that still has many bleeding.  It does cover the unexpected later information, but I do not claim it is the answer.  Just something better to understand the utter madness of our losing him, as we did, to prescriptions he never should have needed.  I will leave off, because the subject is exhausted, but would hope we would all look to free ourselves of any scripts others write for us, or that we write ourselves.  We're just human.  And we need to be able to weep, to bleed and to rage, even if that isn't how we are supposed to be seen.  I am done with this, out of a sensitivity to any who feel more pain from discussing it.  But I think it did need to be said-- Cause of Death may well have been the shallowness of our world, the Happy Face insignia, and the "Have a Nice Day" syndrome.  They are no good when our loved ones hurt and can not express their hurt.
  Again, the territory is covered, and may help some untangle the madness of what happened, but should not be pursued repeatedly, out of consideration for those healing a different way.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 27, 2008, 07:00:16 PM
I am really interested in the idea of "scripts"--the pressure put on someone to be a person someone else wants them to be, like the dad who wants his son to be a football player when the kid would rather play chess. Now, I think Heath was independent-minded enough not to feel pressure per se to be the blond hunk--after all, he did successfully resist entreaties to play that kind of character again--but in a larger sense, he was "cast" as the surfing, skateboarding dude. Most of us didn't know about the directing ambitions, the music videos, the chess even, until he died. We were shown a guy who liked to play around with his hair length, get tats, and wear anything but conventional clothes. In other words, a "dude." We can never know to what extent he did feel a pressure to be someone he was not.

I never saw Heath as just a blonde hunk, and just my thoughts here, but I didn't see him "cast" as a surfing skateboarding guy either--his role in "Lords of Dogtown" wasn't just a blonde dude, and it was an interesting character. And he consciously left the very early attempt to cast him in the blonde dude role (after A Knight's Tale, which I love). The pictures of him on a skateboard---that seemed to be just Heath, perhaps expanding on that role (Lords of Dogtown) as he seemed to do with the Joker and his striped socks.
Heath, from what I've read, walked his own path early on, turning aside his father's aspirations for him to follow in his footsteps to be a race car driver or soccer player (which Heath considered for a time). There are many sides to a person and no reason we should have known his chess-loving side---he didn't have to share that with us, though I'm glad to know of it now.

So, I think there are "scripts" for people, certainly, that a person feels they should play out--Heath probably had a script for himself, and he was working through it. He was so young. Most of us are unconscious of the scripts we are playing out until we are much older, though some may realize these scripts sooner than others. By scripts I'm thinking of the ones that are parents may instill in us, or society, rather than our own, true, calling. I think Heath had an idea of his true calling, and he was exploring (he was on, what he said was his "walk-about").

Just to say, there is a difference between chronic depression and just plain sadness. Depression is something that doesn't go away and should be treated. There is every evidence that Heath wasn't depressed, but simply very sad, and he had good reason to be. That's not a bad place to be---everyone goes through periods of sadness, and comes out, often, with a greater understanding of whatever it is they are struggling with. I think that is where Heath was.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 27, 2008, 07:15:05 PM
      Dear lauren----your take on the depression may well be valid, especially since you have not tossed aside that he had some troubles going on.  I may end up believing exactly the same, but need to wait a little bit more.  I really would prefer you are right.  If no further information emerges, that would help tilt more towards what you have suggested.  Thanks for the balance, which was needed, on that subject.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oceansbetween on March 27, 2008, 08:14:02 PM
The Scene: March 28, 2008 (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20185478,00.html)
Soul Session
R.E.M.’s Michael Stipe croons at Stubb’s Bar-B-Q during the South by Southwest music festival in Austin. The band dedicated their new song, ‘‘Until the Day Is Done,’’ to Heath Ledger.


As we’ve written our stories to entertain
These notions of glory and bull market gain
The teleprompt flutters, the power surge brings
An easy speed message falls into routine

Providence blinked, facing the sun
Where are we left to carry on
Until the day is done


...

Christian Bale: Up for a Third ‘Batman’ Movie? (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20184780,00.html)
Heath was a joy. He really was like that, because he was a very unique man. I enjoyed watching him work, working with him — you know, we had a lot of the old gang from the first one together, and then there were new members, Heath obviously included. What was so great to see with Heath is just how seriously he took it. And we don't mean in any way to sound sort of pretentious with that, but just in the fact that if we don't take it seriously, then how can any audience ever take it seriously? And he did one hell of a job.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 27, 2008, 09:18:21 PM
Lauren, I agree with what you said. Sadness, yes, depression, no. Anti-anxiety medication does not indicate a state of depression.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ben Franklin on March 28, 2008, 02:15:14 AM
Sorry, but I have to get serious about Heath again.

And that's, because I am so afraid of getting used to his death. I want to cope with it, process it, get it into my system, whatever. But I don't want to get simply "used to" it.

Everything and everyone rubs it in: "posthumous buzz," "the late Heath Ledger," "Ledger, who died on January 22," etc. etc. Yes, Heath Ledger is dead. Everyone knows that. It's a well established fact. Of course, he's dead. What else should he be?

Well, he should be ALIVE! Damn! He should prepare his directorial debut "A Queens Gambit", he should reap the accolades and awards for his Joker, he should chose from new roles, he should be with Matilda, watch her grow up, teach her everything about life. He should have a wonderful life. That's how things should be!

I know perfectly well that it is pathetic and useless, but I want to still rage, rage, rage against the dying of the light! And I DON'T WANT TO GET USED TO IT!

Just a few weeks before his death I wrote a rather pathetic "confession of love" for Heath on some German BBM forum. In it I quoted Spanish philosopher José Ortega y Gasset: "Whoever loves something cannot accept the possibility of a world in which that object is missing." Hell, I didn't know that only a few weeks later we all would experience how true, how terribly and achingly true that sentence is.

I know perfectly well, that he is dead, I know, I cannot do anything about it. But nobody will bring me to accept it. "It is not, nor it cannot come to good." (Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act I, Sc. 2)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 28, 2008, 06:29:28 AM
Frank, I know that feeling. Ages ago Karen said how she hated the knowledge that the day would come when Heath would slip off the front pages and slowly diminish in the news until he simply wasn't there any longer.

For most people he's already been shunted into the James Dean type of category, where they are mentioned in relation to someone else. And we here want him to be mentioned for himself, for the things he is doing, not as an example of a young dead person.

Once again I'll quote Annie Proulx because she expressed it so well: abouit her mother's death "the vast hole in the world that opened and could not be pulled closed" and how Ang Lee might be able to show "the grief and anger that builds when we must accept severe emotional wounding".

There really is a hole in the world and it will never be filled.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 28, 2008, 07:18:38 AM
Go to Huffington post there is a nice article on our boy Heath. It was quite good. It about his portrayal of the Joke. Read some of the comments atthe end some are very nice.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Mule on March 28, 2008, 02:24:39 PM
Just to say, there is a difference between chronic depression and just plain sadness. Depression is something that doesn't go away and should be treated. There is every evidence that Heath wasn't depressed, but simply very sad, and he had good reason to be. That's not a bad place to be---everyone goes through periods of sadness, and comes out, often, with a greater understanding of whatever it is they are struggling with. I think that is where Heath was.

I totally agree with you, Lauren. Everyone goes through periods of sadness (many of us are going through one right now obviously) and, while I'd still prefer to go through life without these periods, you are probably right about the greater understanding that comes from it...  :-\

And I liked your idea of the "scripts" for life!

Just a few weeks before his death I wrote a rather pathetic "confession of love" for Heath on some German BBM forum. In it I quoted Spanish philosopher José Ortega y Gasset: "Whoever loves something cannot accept the possibility of a world in which that object is missing." Hell, I didn't know that only a few weeks later we all would experience how true, how terribly and achingly true that sentence is.

I know perfectly well, that he is dead, I know, I cannot do anything about it. But nobody will bring me to accept it. "It is not, nor it cannot come to good." (Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act I, Sc. 2)

 :'( :'( :'( (I have nothing else to add to this... except that I know the feeling)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: royandronnie on March 28, 2008, 06:44:19 PM
Actually, Tony, lauren, I was agreeing with you! I guess it's Tony we have to thank for the "scripts" idea, and I do feel that there was an attempt to "cast" him, for public consumption, as a happy-go-lucky blond bimbo. Hollywood was not interested in marketing him as a sensitive auteur-to-be. And they figured correctly that there would be box office in positioning him as what we think of as a surfer type, with only a good time and girls on his mind, always ready to flirt and joke. Heath certainly embodied some of that--I'm sure he flirted easily and effectively!--but as we know, little could have been farther from him than a light-hearted, intellectual lightweight from the Oz breaks.

So I wonder--did he indeed ever feel a need to live up to this paper tiger as a public figure, if not in his acting choices? Did that add to pressures on him? Was rejecting it, angrily, part of the reason he dressed so extremely, especially in the last few years? He seemed to be really polite and, if approached properly, anxious to cooperate and be nice. So did he think people expected him to be quite different from what he really was? The scripts idea got me thinking about it.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 28, 2008, 08:10:40 PM
Honestly, Charlotte, I don't see it. I think he tried to be as true to himself as he could at all times. The older he got the truer he was. I don't think he had a public face at all, or only very slightly.

I recall someone talking about seeing Jake, and noting that when the cameras were turned on him he performed. He played Jake the Celebrity. When that time was over he went back to being Jake the Person. (This isn't a criticism of Jake, BTW) I don't think Heath did that nearly as much. What you got was the real person. That has to be just a little bit hard on him but I don't think he knew how to do it any differently.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on March 28, 2008, 08:27:39 PM
Ben Franklin, that was such a moving post-I know EXACTLY what you mean. It continues to stroke at me, off and on, with such an inconceivability, that I never quite get my head around it: He's gone.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 28, 2008, 09:21:53 PM
Yes. Every now and then throughout the day, I think about him being gone, and I get a dull feeling, as if I'm saying to myself - Time to grab hold of reality. And yet part of me just can't do it.

And then I get back to - Why him? Why me? What did I do to deserve such a miserable rotten thing to happen?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on March 28, 2008, 11:54:41 PM
yes, this is a very specific and unusual case for us brokies.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: sonata on March 29, 2008, 08:47:11 AM
Sorry, but I have to get serious about Heath again.

And that's, because I am so afraid of getting used to his death. I want to cope with it, process it, get it into my system, whatever. But I don't want to get simply "used to" it.

Everything and everyone rubs it in: "posthumous buzz," "the late Heath Ledger," "Ledger, who died on January 22," etc. etc. Yes, Heath Ledger is dead. Everyone knows that. It's a well established fact. Of course, he's dead. What else should he be?

Well, he should be ALIVE! Damn! He should prepare his directorial debut "A Queens Gambit", he should reap the accolades and awards for his Joker, he should chose from new roles, he should be with Matilda, watch her grow up, teach her everything about life. He should have a wonderful life. That's how things should be!

I know perfectly well that it is pathetic and useless, but I want to still rage, rage, rage against the dying of the light! And I DON'T WANT TO GET USED TO IT!

Just a few weeks before his death I wrote a rather pathetic "confession of love" for Heath on some German BBM forum. In it I quoted Spanish philosopher José Ortega y Gasset: "Whoever loves something cannot accept the possibility of a world in which that object is missing." Hell, I didn't know that only a few weeks later we all would experience how true, how terribly and achingly true that sentence is.

I know perfectly well, that he is dead, I know, I cannot do anything about it. But nobody will bring me to accept it. "It is not, nor it cannot come to good." (Shakespeare, Hamlet, Act I, Sc. 2)


Thank you for this post. It made me sad again...and cry. HEATH should be here with his family and still giving us exciting projects to look forward to...LIFE IS TOO SHORT TO MISS...

I am still mourning...I LOVE YOU AND WILL TRULY TRULY MISS YOU HEATHBOY!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 29, 2008, 11:16:04 AM

An article from The Syndey Morning Herald: There's not a lot that's new here, but I liked that it praised Heath's performances, especially BBM. It also discusses keeping his fame/legacy alive (marketing)---I'm not too interested in the specifics of this, though some may be. I think Heath's performances speak for themselves, and that he was unique among actors, a truly great actor. But as someone here once said perhaps Heath would have gotten a hoot out of being thought of as an icon.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/heath-ledger/ledgers-legacy-debated-on-two-fronts/2008/03/28/1206207397015.html

"Beyond the tangled web of Heath Ledger's estate, two final films and his celebrated Brokeback performance ensure the money will keep flowing. Garry Maddox reports."

...From an LA agent: "...People who are huge Batman fans are going to go regardless. It doesn't matter who's playing the Joker or what happened to them. But the fact that you've got somebody who was such a great actor and is no longer with us might actually add to the fan base."

..."The decision to later play a gay ranch-hand in Brokeback Mountain was adventurous on every level, although it produced an exceptional performance that resulted in an Oscar nomination."

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 29, 2008, 11:25:44 AM


Another interesting article about the Queen's Gambit. I didn't know he'd plan to star in the film as well. This would have been so good.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23446583-5001021,00.html

Regarding the recent thoughtful posts: I still find it hard to believe he's gone. Some days I feel that, no he's not. I think that seeing his photos and knowing he was planning for other roles and films makes me feel he's still around.
I like to think he is still around, and perhaps he is.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: summerdreams on March 29, 2008, 11:48:35 AM
We were shown a guy who liked to play around with his hair length, get tats, and wear anything but conventional clothes. In other words, a "dude."

I’m sorry I don’t agree with this at all, we weren’t “shown” anything. That’s a part of who Heath was, he didn’t show it to us he allowed us to see it. As for the rest of himself his ambitions, talents, hobbies that was the part of him that he kept private. Why should he put that out there for all the world to see if he didn't feel like it? He didn’t owe us a damn thing. He wasn't the kind of person to put on a show for the public and that’s one of the things that make him so special, he wasn't fake like the rest of the celebrities, he was genuine.

Honestly, Charlotte, I don't see it. I think he tried to be as true to himself as he could at all times. The older he got the truer he was. I don't think he had a public face at all, or only very slightly.
I recall someone talking about seeing Jake, and noting that when the cameras were turned on him he performed. He played Jake the Celebrity. When that time was over he went back to being Jake the Person. (This isn't a criticism of Jake, BTW) I don't think Heath did that nearly as much. What you got was the real person. That has to be just a little bit hard on him but I don't think he knew how to do it any differently.

This is so so true. Thank you for saying this.  :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: NWWaguy on March 29, 2008, 12:01:46 PM
Just to clarify:  are we saying that the behaviour and clothing choices he made were not 'showing' us a side of him he wanted us to see?   :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 29, 2008, 12:04:21 PM
Actually, Tony, lauren, I was agreeing with you! I guess it's Tony we have to thank for the "scripts" idea, and I do feel that there was an attempt to "cast" him, for public consumption, as a happy-go-lucky blond bimbo.
So I wonder--did he indeed ever feel a need to live up to this paper tiger as a public figure, if not in his acting choices? Did that add to pressures on him? Was rejecting it, angrily, part of the reason he dressed so extremely, especially in the last few years? He seemed to be really polite and, if approached properly, anxious to cooperate and be nice. So did he think people expected him to be quite different from what he really was? The scripts idea got me thinking about it.

Hi Charlotte--There was definitely an attempt to cast him in that role. I think he described it something along the lines of packaging him up as a commodity, ready to be served to the public. When he realized this was happening (I remember an article where he said he was in a meeting with execs for AKT and he nearly became physically ill when he realized they wanted him to sign off on being this "package") that's when he decided, I believe, that he would only accept roles that interested him and took him away from that "here for a good time, only for a short time" image (Heath's words).
Because he felt so strongly about going his own way, I don't sense that he ever felt the need to live up to this other, scripted image at all. I think he dressed the way he did because he was so much his own person. I think of Daniel Day Lewis' outfit at the AA--very much like something Heath would have worn: eclectic, uncaring about who might think it wasn't fashionable. 
I think it was the artist in Heath saying, "this is my style, which is whatever I might like it to be or feel at the moment."
My sense is that the Heath who was humble, awkward, excitable, expressive, quiet, and thoughtful in interviews was the same man who loved to dress in interesting outfits, to put on a little show, to show his soul to the world, though he may have wanted, also, to retreat from that at times. Perhaps that caused some tension in him. From what I've read, many actors that are shy, introverted, uncomfortable in the limelight off the stage, are very comfortable being extroverted on stage or in front of a camera. It's a tension they, perhaps, learn to live with and perhaps enjoy to a great extent. Rambling here  :)

Edited to add: I think Heath was just being himself in all of his outfits or whatever the stage.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: summerdreams on March 29, 2008, 12:36:27 PM
Just to clarify:  are we saying that the behaviour and clothing choices he made were not 'showing' us a side of him he wanted us to see?   :-*

His behavior and clothing choices showed us something about him that he allowed to be known. I pretty much doubt he wanted us to see anything in particular or to regard him one way or the other. That's the difference between "showing us" as in performing as in putting on the mask that he wanted the public to buy and "allowing us to see" as in being himself without thinking of his image and us seeing that.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: NWWaguy on March 29, 2008, 12:55:05 PM
So, the choices he made were what he wanted us to see ... thanks for that ...  :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 29, 2008, 02:51:06 PM
    As for Heath's clothing choices, and whether he was projecting something, an image, perhaps, am fairly certain a link on this forum, in the last 2 months, mentioned that most of his clothes were picked out for him by a friend named "Shem".  This came as a shock to me, as I had thought he just dressed the way he wanted to.  And this was part of what I felt was a torrent of information, after his death, that was turning upside-down many of our assumptions.  Somebody else should remember the story & link, so please help me out on this.
  It does not matter whether there was such a person, insofar as a false image being projected.  Maybe Heath just told the guy to do his shopping for him and buy--bohemian (and that assumes the story link is true).   Still, Heath's choice in clothing.  Just maybe he didn't have time to go shopping.
  What I do see, however, is that Heath mixed and matched.  Some duality to him.  No concern for a glamorous Hollywood image, but still deliberating projecting another image.  And there's nothing wrong with that.  Other examples of duality are frequent.  A very private person, and yet would talk about his personal life with absolute strangers.  Obsessed, as he said, with the life and death of Nick Drake, and yet, himself, glowing with love for life.  Considering Australia home, and yet referring to Perth as someplace on the outer fringes of a flat earth, and feeeling more like a citizen of the world, kind of free-floating.  We certainly should admit that, after his death, we learned so very much more about him, some of it contradictory, none of it making him any less worthy of love.  So there's a choice.  Go with the simplistic information we had before, or integrate the new information as a closer, better look.
  If anybody remembers the story on Shem, please help out, with the link.  Maybe the person who posted it.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 29, 2008, 04:51:53 PM


I remember that article Tony, and I think Heath dressed the way he wanted to, and that he just enjoyed "Shem's" or whomever's clothing choices or designs. (I thought perhaps he or she was a designer, from my dim memory of the article.)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on March 29, 2008, 04:54:02 PM
i love the way heath had his own unique style and didn't follow a crowd or the lastest fashion he was a truly unique person and that was reflected in the clothes he wore
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: WintersGrass on March 29, 2008, 05:58:41 PM


I remember that article Tony, and I think Heath dressed the way he wanted to, and that he just enjoyed "Shem's" or whomever's clothing choices or designs. (I thought perhaps he or she was a designer, from my dim memory of the article.)

There was an interview where Jake said *Heath spends a lot of time to put his outfits together*
He might have had a stylist for events, but the fact that he wore most of his 'event' wardrobe privately as well makes it less likely that he didn't pick the clothes himself.
There are so many pieces he wore several years, so I agree with you Lauren, he just liked this certain someone's taste.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: magicmountain on March 29, 2008, 06:15:22 PM
I don't think he had a public face at all, or only very slightly.


Hi Marion. This comment interested me as it seems to reflect a feeling that putting on a "public face" is somehow dishonest or insincere. We are not actors but surely we all nevertheless play a range of roles in life and show different "faces" to different people in different situations. Some may be uncomfortable with this - for example my sister hates the notion of becoming what she calls a "tourist unit" when she goes on holiday overseas. I myself am OK with the notion of different roles and don't feel it necessary for the world to see and acknowledge and connect with the "real me" all the time in order to feel authentic. I think if a well known person is uncomfortable with this idea of roles or masks even in acting, it must surely leave them feeling and indeed actually being very psychologically exposed.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 29, 2008, 06:31:37 PM


I remember that article Tony, and I think Heath dressed the way he wanted to, and that he just enjoyed "Shem's" or whomever's clothing choices or designs. (I thought perhaps he or she was a designer, from my dim memory of the article.)

There was an interview where Jake said *Heath spends a lot of time to put his outfits together*
He might have had a stylist for events, but the fact that he wore most of his 'event' wardrobe privately as well makes it less likely that he didn't pick the clothes himself.
There are so many pieces he wore several years, so I agree with you Lauren, he just liked this certain someone's taste.

If I recall correctly, this man was mentioned a long time ago. He supposedly designed much of Heath's stuff. I don't think he would have "dressed" him day to day, just provided the raw materials that Heath wore. As we obsessives know, Heath happily combined lots of items he'd worn in the past.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 29, 2008, 06:40:41 PM
I don't think he had a public face at all, or only very slightly.


Hi Marion. This comment interested me as it seems to reflect a feeling that putting on a "public face" is somehow dishonest or insincere. We are not actors but surely we all nevertheless play a range of roles in life and show different "faces" to different people in different situations. Some may be uncomfortable with this - for example my sister hates the notion of becoming what she calls a "tourist unit" when she goes on holiday overseas. I myself am OK with the notion of different roles and don't feel it necessary for the world to see and acknowledge and connect with the "real me" all the time in order to feel authentic. I think if a well known person is uncomfortable with this idea of roles or masks even in acting, it must surely leave them feeling and indeed actually being very psychologically exposed.

Hi mm. I'm no psychologist and I can't speak for Heath, but my impression is that he wasn't as good as some at putting on his public face. I agree that we all change a little to suit circumstances. I'm sure Heath did as well. I quoted the stuff about Jake as a contrast to Heath's way of approaching things. I get the feeling that the "real" Heath and the public Heath weren't as far apart as with other celebs. I sense that he felt his way through a lot of situations, working from scratch rather than just putting on the interview face or whatever.

Remember the dialogue coach for BBM saying how Jake used the techniques he had learned whereas Heath flew by the seat of his pants, worked up Ennis in a more organic way? She seemed to feel it took a lot out of him, doing it that way.

That's how I see him in public, doing it from scratch. I'm sure he had a public face but it wasn't so very different from his real face. And yes, that would leave one psychologically exposed.

I'm just waffling here. It's just a feeling I have. I think he related to people in a very open way. No "front". That's my experience, anyway.

BTW I don't think it's dishonest to put on a face if it's a part of who we are. That's a good way of coping with situations.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: magicmountain on March 29, 2008, 07:43:33 PM
Thanks for that considered reply M - You have such an intuitive appreciation and understanding of this man, it's a shame you weren't either his mate, his mother or his counsellor!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on March 29, 2008, 09:56:20 PM
pssssttttt, She was his illicit lover...Don't tell Mr Angel.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 30, 2008, 12:01:49 AM
He reaped the benefits  ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 30, 2008, 04:29:18 AM
I am a Heath fan, and have been since 10 things. I am not a Heath FAN though so I can't really speak on that. I am a journalist though (have been since 1980 and was named one of the top 50 journalists in the world in 1998).

1. It is almost impossible to keep a public and a private persona separate. For this you need to be either a recluse or have steely discipline and a huge staff of publicists and stylists to dress you and control every word that is said about you.  Victoria Beckham is an example of this. She is a brand. An industry. She never steps out of her house without full makeup, dressed to the nines, fake nails, fake hair, fake tan all done by her staff. She alerts the paps to her every movement, thus controlling what pics of her come out. You would never ever see dodgy pics of her taking out the bins in her pyjamas. Because she has deals with the paps, would never touch a bin or put her head out the door without being 100% made up etc. She has 10000% iron steely control over her image and how she is portrayed in the media. She ignores the scandals of her husband's infidelity and keeps that facade up at all times. She can't sing or act or do anything except be a celebrity. That is her job - to be famous for being famous. And she does it well. She really manipulates the media to her own advantage.

2. If you are an average celeb you may wake up with a pounding headache dying for coffee. You drag on the nearest clothes and dash to the corner shop for some milk. You may look pale and like you slept in your clothes. You may be abrupt to the staff in the store or say you are not feeling well. This may or may not end up on the front page of National Enquirer in varying lurid headlines. It will probably be repeated over and over. If you are not a person who likes to give interviews, the few things you have said will be recycled ad nauseum both in an out of context.

3. If you are an average celeb you want to walk around the street with your child or just sit and have lunch. You may not be interested in looking like a fashion plate or pondering over every outfit. (Helena Bonham Carter anyone?). You may have gained weight and only be able to wear certain things (all will be dissected in the media or course). Your hair may be long for a movie you are making and look dirty. You may have fave things you wear over and over (all in the media) You may be a common fixture on 'what was he thinking' or 'used to be hot' lists because you can't go in the regular features of celeb fashion and grooming.

4. Old pictures, digital manipulation (often used in cellulute pics) and bad angles may be used to accentuate whatever they want to say about you. Particularly if you are not that forthcoming in print or with pics.

5. For awards shows Prada is the only designer that does not provide free made to measure clothes and jewellery clothes to the participants and presenters. Many male actors are big in advertising campaigns in Japan and China so they need to look good and wear certain brands to honour their contracts. Actors usually go for the classic movie star look. Naturally teams of stylists dress and make up the actors, whose preparations begin months in advance with diets, plastic surgery, and planning what to wear to outshine everyone else and not land on a what was she thinking list. Actors who fall outside of these particular categories and choose to go their own way are usually concentrated on negatively in the media. Heath also often looked uncomfortable, stiff and awkward in publicity shots, specially when standing next to a golden boy born to pose like Brad Pitt or George Clooney. Brad Pitt has that pouty camera pose that he trots out all the time. While undeniably tall, handsome with a lean body made for clothes, it is clear that the suits Heath wore either not bespoke or his discomfort and awkwardness made them look as though they were ill-fitting. Someone like Orlando Bloom, who is a very wooden actor, can look relaxed and as though he clothes were made on him by the best of the best when he is at premieres.

6. If you are nervous, shy, twitchy it does mean you come across a certain way in interviews. Unfortunately you can't change this to become a model interviewee. This is highlighted when you are placed next to someone who loves the camera and loves to perform in interviews - like Jake Gyllenhaal. Heath was first reported in print having a panic attack, running out of a meeting and crying in the toilets because of the pressure placed on him during the publicity campaign for Knight's Tale. That gets trotted out regularly when referrig to his 'issues'

If you don't fit into any of the categories above you are often screwed. Traditional magazines can only use your pics in certain features. And once again, the same old pics and the same old info is recycled if there isn't anything current to use.

Personally I don't think Heath was the kind of person to control the way he came across in the media and allow them to see only what he wanted them to see. He was not concerned enough about his image for that, and too invested in his art to waste the energy on anything else. Some journalists really liked him, some hated him. I do think he was one of those people who had good days and bad days with the public attention. He could look old and young on the same day, pale and worn and young and healthy within the same photoshoot. He could look happy or hounded by the media in the space of the same function.  In Venice for the promotion of Casanova he started out being very comfortable with the huge mass of paps, giving them all they needed, and ended up giving them the finger. I can't imagine him spending hours getting ready to go out for lunch or planning how to come across in interviews. I cannot imagine him being consciously or subconsciously manipulative in any way - for whatever reason. He was not a trained actor and just did things as they came to him. I imagine that translated to his interviews as well.

Naturally now that he is no longer with us, he won't be negatively portrayed for a while as it is too sensitive. He appeared on a No No No list in Glamour which came out two days afterhe died and I know they regretted it.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 30, 2008, 07:09:03 AM
Serendipidy:
Heath was first reported in print having a panic attack, running out of a meeting and crying in the toilets because of the pressure placed on him during the publicity campaign for Knight's Tale. That gets trotted out regularly when referrig to his 'issues'

From an interview with Heath or about Heath, it was accounted that this was the result of Heath being made aware during this meeting that the execs in the meeting wanted to "package" him as a golden boy of sorts and had a plan all laid out for him.
This is what made him so distraught and uncomfortable he left the room. It was after that that he pursued only roles that interested and challenged him---one that would make him (he felt) stretch as an actor.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 30, 2008, 07:36:13 AM
Yes I read that interview - Heath said it himself if the story is to be believed. I like that Heath was open about his difficulties with fame and his nervousness. It'sa pity that certain tabloid media tend to concentrate on things like that now as proof that he was unstable. Or his twitchiness and jerky movements as proof that he was a druggie. Makes me  >:(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 30, 2008, 07:38:33 AM
I can't even imagine having to be "on" all the time, for the sake of ones career.   ???  Is fame and fortune worth the price of having every peice of yourself dissected over and over again? 

No wonder Heath didn't like it... :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 30, 2008, 07:43:09 AM
exactly. And now the feuding uncles are crawling out of the woodwork selling stories to the press so Heath can't even rest in peace  >:(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on March 30, 2008, 09:28:23 AM
Serendipidy:
Heath was first reported in print having a panic attack, running out of a meeting and crying in the toilets because of the pressure placed on him during the publicity campaign for Knight's Tale. That gets trotted out regularly when referrig to his 'issues'

From an interview with Heath or about Heath, it was accounted that this was the result of Heath being made aware during this meeting that the execs in the meeting wanted to "package" him as a golden boy of sorts and had a plan all laid out for him.
This is what made him so distraught and uncomfortable he left the room. It was after that that he pursued only roles that interested and challenged him---one that would make him (he felt) stretch as an actor.


....and my gosh, the kid was what, 20 or 21 when he was being asked to do this? I mean, no parent around to lean on, and this was a kid who was close to his parents and away from home-he was scared. This was a big deal-alot of kids would not be prepared to react professionally, with such pressure on him. I don't think it had alot to do with his ineherant intensity, necessarily.

People, esp the media, keep foretting-he was only 28, in the end.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 30, 2008, 09:38:37 AM
He was 19 when he made Knight's Tale (maybe 20 or so when the publicity machine ground into action for it) according to an interview he gave at the time. So young... :(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: LenaLovich on March 30, 2008, 10:35:37 AM
Oh for goodness sake, check out this article from this Australian newspaper. Apparently, Heath may have fathered a "love child" when he was 17 with an older woman (who raised the girl with her husband). And now that girl, along with Matilda, may be a rightful heir to Heath's fortune: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23458112-2,00.html

THE feud surrounding late actor Heath Ledger's will has taken a mysterious turn, with members of his family claiming he may have secretly fathered a love child.

The Hollywood star is believed to have been 17 when he had an affair with an older woman.

The mother - in a relationship with another man at the time - is thought to have only learned she was pregnant after the affair with Ledger ended.

Ledger's uncle, Haydn Ledger, yesterday confirmed there was a "real possibility" his nephew had fathered a girl with the woman.

Family sources said the girl was raised by the woman and the other man, although there were suspicions about the child's father.

Ledger's parents Kim Ledger and Sally Bell yesterday refused to comment on the latest scandal.

If the claims are confirmed, it could split his multi-million dollar estate between daughter Matilda Rose and the love child.

Ledger, who died alone in his New York apartment in January from an accidental overdose of prescription drugs, drew up his will before the birth of Matilda, on whom he doted.

The April 2003 will lists only $145,000 in assets and names the late actor's father, Kim, mother Sally Bell, sister Kate Ledger and half sisters Olivia Ledger and Ashleigh Bell as the only beneficiaries.

The New York documents also acknowledge Matilda Rose, as Ledger's only known child, as an interested party.

Heath was still at school at Guildford Grammar when he began the affair with the woman, then aged 25.

Yesterday another family source said: "She had the baby. Everyone lived under the assumption that she was the daughter of the mother's boyfriend and that is how she has been brought up."

The woman is now married with a young family.

Ledger's death has exposed the bitter rift in the family between father Kim and his estranged brothers, Haydn, Mike and Wayne.

The family feud began when Kim became executor of their grandfather, Sir Frank Ledger's estate over 20 years ago.

He borrowed heavily against the $2 million estate, leaving it heavily in debt before he was removed as executor by the WA Supreme Court in 1994.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on March 30, 2008, 11:00:12 AM
i knew after his death some woman would come forward claiming to have had his child i very much doubt its true if she DID have his love child why did she wait untill after hes death to come forward?
as far as im concearned the only child heath has is matilda and im sure this is the case, you never no we might be proved wrong but i don't think so
i wonder how michelle feels about this story
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 30, 2008, 11:11:16 AM
and I for one can't imagine Heath ignoring a child of his own, regardless of how they came to be.  He was fiercely loyal to family, friends...close ties.  Either he did not father a child previously, or he did not know about it. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on March 30, 2008, 11:20:46 AM
yeah theres no way he would of ignored a child of his own if he was with the mother or not, he loved matilda more then life its self and that didn't change with he broke up with michelle so im sure he would of made that same effort with any more children he would of had as i said i don't believe i word of it, the timings a bit strange don't you think
and if there WAS a child theres no way heath knew because im sure he would of made an effort to suport that child i wonder how many more of these stories are going to appear now thats hes not here to defend himself? we'll have to keep a close eye out
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 30, 2008, 11:25:54 AM
FFS is this the same uncle? What a sorry excuse for a human being. And natually because he can't keep his trap shut the media will be hanging around for the next pearl of wisdom to drop from his flappy lips. He shouild be ashamed of himself.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on March 30, 2008, 11:27:52 AM
sigh..here we go. Line em all up, where's there's money, there's scandal.

How unfortunate human nature continually proves to be weak.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on March 30, 2008, 11:31:47 AM
yeah i don't know why people do things like this but they do
also michelle williams has released a statement saying that she hasn't talked to her dad for years and they don' get on, she doesn't agree with some of the things he has said and knows that the ledger family will look after her and matilda and wishes her father would leave her and heaths family and friends to grieve in peace
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on March 30, 2008, 11:55:23 AM
I am really disgusted by the media and Heath's non-immedaite family for turning this whole thing into a dirty laundry airing session. The worst part of it all is that I am not one bit surprised that this happened. My faith in human nature is not what it once was and that's sad.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 30, 2008, 12:03:43 PM
I am just sick about this.  Hasn't Heath's memory taken enough of a battering with the press?  Drug use, anxiety, the way he dressed, the way he interviews..on and on and on, not once have they let up on him.  Then the will, and his supposed lack of planning.  All of it - assumptions thrown out as easily as the weather report.  Now this, and members of his family spewing forth garbage for what? Attention?  Money?  Goodchristalmighty.... >:(  :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: MarieMJS on March 30, 2008, 01:05:17 PM
Geez this is getting insane, I can't believe how messy it has become, sounds like a bad soap opera...
I seriously feel for Heath's close family, his parents and Michelle and Matilda, this is just too much and they shouldnt have to go through this :(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 30, 2008, 03:02:02 PM
I have no idea, are these women who are reporting, tabloid journalists?
"EXCLUSIVE by Gemma Jones in New York and Janet Fife-Yeomans in Perth"

As compared with what was posted, they added some minutes ago a few words to the story,
to keep it on top of the search engines results:

"The woman is now married with a young family and is pregnant again.
"I have my children to think about. I really can't comment," the woman said."    <-- Huh?   
And:
"Kim Ledger this week refused to comment, as did Ledger's mother, Sally Bell."
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: magicmountain on March 30, 2008, 04:48:23 PM
I am a Heath fan, and have been since 10 things. I am not a Heath FAN though so I can't really speak on that. I am a journalist though (have been since 1980 and was named one of the top 50 journalists in the world in 1998).

1. It is almost impossible to keep a public and a private persona separate. For this you need to be either a recluse or have steely discipline and a huge staff of publicists and stylists to dress you and control every word that is said about you.  Victoria Beckham is an example of this. She is a brand. An industry. She never steps out of her house without full makeup, dressed to the nines, fake nails, fake hair, fake tan all done by her staff. She alerts the paps to her every movement, thus controlling what pics of her come out. You would never ever see dodgy pics of her taking out the bins in her pyjamas. Because she has deals with the paps, would never touch a bin or put her head out the door without being 100% made up etc. She has 10000% iron steely control over her image and how she is portrayed in the media. She ignores the scandals of her husband's infidelity and keeps that facade up at all times. She can't sing or act or do anything except be a celebrity. That is her job - to be famous for being famous. And she does it well. She really manipulates the media to her own advantage.

2. If you are an average celeb you may wake up with a pounding headache dying for coffee. You drag on the nearest clothes and dash to the corner shop for some milk. You may look pale and like you slept in your clothes. You may be abrupt to the staff in the store or say you are not feeling well. This may or may not end up on the front page of National Enquirer in varying lurid headlines. It will probably be repeated over and over. If you are not a person who likes to give interviews, the few things you have said will be recycled ad nauseum both in an out of context.

3. If you are an average celeb you want to walk around the street with your child or just sit and have lunch. You may not be interested in looking like a fashion plate or pondering over every outfit. (Helena Bonham Carter anyone?). You may have gained weight and only be able to wear certain things (all will be dissected in the media or course). Your hair may be long for a movie you are making and look dirty. You may have fave things you wear over and over (all in the media) You may be a common fixture on 'what was he thinking' or 'used to be hot' lists because you can't go in the regular features of celeb fashion and grooming.

4. Old pictures, digital manipulation (often used in cellulute pics) and bad angles may be used to accentuate whatever they want to say about you. Particularly if you are not that forthcoming in print or with pics.

5. For awards shows Prada is the only designer that does not provide free made to measure clothes and jewellery clothes to the participants and presenters. Many male actors are big in advertising campaigns in Japan and China so they need to look good and wear certain brands to honour their contracts. Actors usually go for the classic movie star look. Naturally teams of stylists dress and make up the actors, whose preparations begin months in advance with diets, plastic surgery, and planning what to wear to outshine everyone else and not land on a what was she thinking list. Actors who fall outside of these particular categories and choose to go their own way are usually concentrated on negatively in the media. Heath also often looked uncomfortable, stiff and awkward in publicity shots, specially when standing next to a golden boy born to pose like Brad Pitt or George Clooney. Brad Pitt has that pouty camera pose that he trots out all the time. While undeniably tall, handsome with a lean body made for clothes, it is clear that the suits Heath wore either not bespoke or his discomfort and awkwardness made them look as though they were ill-fitting. Someone like Orlando Bloom, who is a very wooden actor, can look relaxed and as though he clothes were made on him by the best of the best when he is at premieres.

6. If you are nervous, shy, twitchy it does mean you come across a certain way in interviews. Unfortunately you can't change this to become a model interviewee. This is highlighted when you are placed next to someone who loves the camera and loves to perform in interviews - like Jake Gyllenhaal. Heath was first reported in print having a panic attack, running out of a meeting and crying in the toilets because of the pressure placed on him during the publicity campaign for Knight's Tale. That gets trotted out regularly when referrig to his 'issues'

If you don't fit into any of the categories above you are often screwed. Traditional magazines can only use your pics in certain features. And once again, the same old pics and the same old info is recycled if there isn't anything current to use.

Personally I don't think Heath was the kind of person to control the way he came across in the media and allow them to see only what he wanted them to see. He was not concerned enough about his image for that, and too invested in his art to waste the energy on anything else. Some journalists really liked him, some hated him. I do think he was one of those people who had good days and bad days with the public attention. He could look old and young on the same day, pale and worn and young and healthy within the same photoshoot. He could look happy or hounded by the media in the space of the same function.  In Venice for the promotion of Casanova he started out being very comfortable with the huge mass of paps, giving them all they needed, and ended up giving them the finger. I can't imagine him spending hours getting ready to go out for lunch or planning how to come across in interviews. I cannot imagine him being consciously or subconsciously manipulative in any way - for whatever reason. He was not a trained actor and just did things as they came to him. I imagine that translated to his interviews as well.

Naturally now that he is no longer with us, he won't be negatively portrayed for a while as it is too sensitive. He appeared on a No No No list in Glamour which came out two days afterhe died and I know they regretted it.

Which all goes to show that raw talent is only one of the selection criteria for "actor" in the context of today's celebrity culture within which any major performance artist must survive and prosper. Also on the list are extroversion, emotional resilience, an ability to compartmentalise, physical stamina, maturity, an understanding and acceptance of the "rules of the game" - I could go on. Britney Spears et al need not apply.

Unfortunately the artistic temperament is often the opposite of all the above - hence drugs (prescription and otherwise) alcohol and other mind numbing strategies come into play. I used to think that being good at my job was all I needed to get ahead in the corporate environment - blissfuly ignorant that political acumen and many of the attributes I cited above are often far more important. I am now self employed where I can set my own rules and my work now involves one to one interaction which is my forte. Too bad I didn't figure all that out years ago and saved myself much angst and suffering.

It would appear Heath was a mega talent whose temperament was unsuited to mega stardom which is a devouring monster for those not armed with a sword and a mental fortress within.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: royandronnie on March 30, 2008, 06:51:57 PM
So Heath may have fathered a child when he was 17? I got two little words for all concerned:

DNA TEST.

At least he got 60 days of peace before the mudslinging started.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 30, 2008, 09:20:19 PM
So Heath may have fathered a child when he was 17? I got two little words for all concerned:

DNA TEST.

At least he got 60 days of peace before the mudslinging started.

I'm skeptical about this story (to say the least), and wonder if it wasn't entirely made up. It has that feel to me. 
Another story in the Australian press a couple of weeks ago said there was a second will that included Matilda, but in no other story about Heath's will subsequent to that one has a second will been mentioned. It vanished without a trace. It could be that there is a second will
but I'm beginning to doubt it.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 30, 2008, 09:28:46 PM
At least he got 60 days of peace before the mudslinging started.

Unfortunately, I don't think Heath has had a moments peace since he passed away.  There has always been something being said or done, that has tried to tarnish his memory.  This is just the worst because it's involving family.   :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on March 30, 2008, 09:55:16 PM
I don't think it will matter one whit in the long run what a few tabloids say about Heath, or whatever
mean-spirited gossip is passed around. This kind of unfounded gossip and mean whisperings have been around in one form
or another as long as mankind has been around. It will pass like leaves in a wind.
What will be remembered about Heath will be his incredible gifts, the outstanding films he left us,
all of the accolades he has received, the heart-felt praise and memories of his peers and friends. Those closest to him have
the memory of Heath in all his wonderful humanness. That unique person.
A few weeks ago, the film critic of the SF Chonicle, Mick LaSalle, said that Heath and his acclaimed performance in BBM (and the film) will continue to live on, long, long after the old Hollywood guard "follows him into the ground."
There's a love of Heath even from those who never met him or barely knew him. He had a generosity of spirit,
and, I think, an immense love of life. So, take heart. That's what will be remembered.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on March 30, 2008, 10:06:45 PM
There's a love of Heath even from those who never met him or barely knew him. He had a generosity of spirit,
and, I think, an immense love of life. So, take heart. That's what will be remembered.

I agree wholeheartedly, Lauren.  I guess it's just unbelievable to me that some people would willingly say crap about such a kindhearted, sweet man.  Just makes the mama bear come out in me I guess  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tahoelvr on March 30, 2008, 11:04:44 PM
Well, I agree - DNA test.

You know, it's possible. We don't know and it doesn't make things wrong.  He may have fathered a child, and we don't know if he sent money, acknowledged the child, saw the child or abided by the woman's wishes and bowed out.  We really don't know and it doesn't make me think less of him.

The uncles, however, sound like creeps.  Anything for their 15 minutes and hopefully that's almost up.


Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ellye on March 31, 2008, 02:41:23 AM
He was 19 when he made Knight's Tale (maybe 20 or so when the publicity machine ground into action for it) according to an interview he gave at the time. So young... :(

He was 21 actually. It was made in 2000. On the extras to the DVD they are talking about Heath on the set of the film,  and Mark Addy, I think it was, said Heath was the most mature 21 year old he'd ever met.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ellye on March 31, 2008, 02:54:36 AM


Another interesting article about the Queen's Gambit. I didn't know he'd plan to star in the film as well. This would have been so good.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23446583-5001021,00.html

Regarding the recent thoughtful posts: I still find it hard to believe he's gone. Some days I feel that, no he's not. I think that seeing his photos and knowing he was planning for other roles and films makes me feel he's still around.
I like to think he is still around, and perhaps he is.

I remember the story about him being in Queen's Gambit as well as directing it, and thought it was so typical that he'd apparently said he thought he was just about good enough a player himself TO be in it.

Anyone else would have faked it to make himself look a good player, but no, Heath only thought he could do it if he really WAS.

The more I hear about this man the more my heart breaks that he's not here anymore. I can't believe it's been over 2 months since he died.

Because I have always thought of Heath when I look at Jake, more than anyone he else makes me think of him (apart from Matilda of course) I can't even look at Jake anymore now, nor his films, cos I know he's alive and well. So I never look at the Eyelashes thread anymore, never watch his films, it's too painful. I was never really a fan of Jake's which is why I feel like this probably.
There was a double page picture spread in a Sunday paper magazine yesterday of Jake and Reese shopping recently at some market and it actually made me cry looking at him being so happy and healthy, and how unfair it is that Heath isn't.

I wish I didn't feel like that but I do. I think the only picture of him I'll ever be able to look at again will be one of him with Matilda, and there'll never be one of them, so ..... no more Jake for me for a very long time. Until the pain goes, anyway, and it never will, because he'll get older and I'll think of Heath with him in BBM .... It's horrible feeling like this.


And as to this recently emerged from the gutter story about Heath fathering a child, just show a picture of the child, then we'll know, considering how much Matilda is the spitting image of him, any 11 year old child he's supposed to have fathered will have the look of Heath.

Heath is so honest about everything, I can easily imagine him referring to something like this without going into detail, referring to something he did when he was 17 that will always be with him ... or however it would be phrased. Everything he's said about being a father,  when Matilda was born ... you just can't imagine him not seeing any child he had before that. Not when he came from a broken home himself.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 31, 2008, 03:38:03 AM
Courage, boys and girls. There'll be plenty of crap thrown for a while yet. All we have to do is keep above it and ride it out.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 31, 2008, 06:13:06 AM

And as to this recently emerged from the gutter story about Heath fathering a child, just show a picture of the child, then we'll know, considering how much Matilda is the spitting image of him, any 11 year old child he's supposed to have fathered will have the look of Heath.

Heath is so honest about everything, I can easily imagine him referring to something like this without going into detail, referring to something he did when he was 17 that will always be with him ... or however it would be phrased. Everything he's said about being a father,  when Matilda was born ... you just can't imagine him not seeing any child he had before that.

Thank you ellye and everybody for stating their opinion, anger etc.
The DNA test is a powerful tool, which can sort out if this is some frustration speaking on the part of the uncle, from being cut out probably from a monthly stipend.
If it's true, it's possible the woman never told Heath. The "age of consent" in West Australia is 17 years old (says wikipedia), so if he was younger than that even with 1 month, the woman has broken the law.
Anyway, I wish he had a boy, with his looks and talent and personality and...    :-\ :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 31, 2008, 06:25:06 AM
Just a small point, but didn't Heath hightail it out of Perth at 16? Maybe he was 17.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 31, 2008, 06:58:50 AM
The initial reporting in the Australian press was by: Gemma Jones in New York and Janet Fife-Yeomans in Perth.

Now other journalists try to "gild the lilly": Bill Hutchinson in New York and Frank Thorne in Sydney, for the nydailynews:
"child he never knew"
"The relatives refused to identify the woman."

So this doesn't add up with what Jones and Yeomans reported before, when quoting what the woman said.
I don't think the story is true.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 31, 2008, 07:35:09 AM
Did anyone see 20/20 last Friday? It was about addiction and Hollywood's way of dealing with it or the lack of in most cases. They brought Heath into it. Saying that the new addiction is Perscription Drugs, and how in Heath's case easier to deny it. I thought it was informative, except for the Heath part. They implied he was an addict and that everyone knew and did nothing. They also, implied that Heath's denial led to his death. I don't know why the Media does things like that.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ellye on March 31, 2008, 07:51:23 AM
Just a small point, but didn't Heath hightail it out of Perth at 16? Maybe he was 17.

Yes, I'm sure I remember reading the story he left Perth at 16 with little money and moved away, and the only reason he did Home and Away when he was 17 was cos he was skint cos the money had run out.  :)

The only part of the story I would believe is that he had a relationship with an older woman - cos that was his 'habit', he preferred older women. He did have a 36 year old girlfriend when he was 18, of course. And Heather and Naomi were years older than him.

Trouble with dirt digging stories like this ... it said she found out she was pregnant after they split up ... so she could easily be someone else's daughter. She could have had sex with someone else after Heath but decided, when he was famous, to invent this story. But as I said, show us a picture of her. If she's another Matilda, I'll believe it.
Along with DNA results.

And I just found this - which was what I remember reading! Part of a biography of Heath I read ages ago.


'Roaring Away
At 16, Ledger, who says he "hates school," leaves home for Sydney, where he appears in the Aussie TV show Sweat ....'

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 31, 2008, 08:35:37 AM
Precocious, whichever way you look at it. Older than his years.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 31, 2008, 09:59:13 AM
      With regard to Heath "hating school", once again, am sure I read on a link on this forum that he had had about 1 year of college and dropped out.  And, on one of his earlier MySpace sites, now dormant, he did list "some college".  Can anybody help me out here?  Can't be I was the only one to have read the link.  At any rate, there is a lot of vagueness about the several years after he left Perth.
    Then, to the uncles, it does seem they are trouble, but am not absolutely sure from which direction.  I did see a t.v. interview with them after the tragedy, and they did not seem to be bad people at all.  They were speaking out against rumors of suicide, saying they had seen him during that sudden, holiday trip to Australia, last December, and saying there were no grounds for the stories.  The key part of the interview, however, came when the reporter pressed further, about the last 2 weeks prior to Heath's death, and whether there was trouble in that time period.  They were startled, looked at each other, and refused to comment.  On the last 2 weeks.
  Family feuds are awful and there are many sides to them.  But clearly, Heath kept in touch with his uncles, and just as clearly, there are warning signals, squashed stories from several directions....about something in the last 2 weeks.  There are reports of what that something was, they were on network television, but I'm not going there as, unless proven, or sources given, as it was a very great hurt.  Do I believe the reports?  Yes.  Am I confident, absolutely? No.  But if the ugly battles start, we should all brace ourselves.
  I guess what I really want to say is that, with or without a family feud, we should always expect new information to come out, and should know there's nothing that could alter our respect for Heath, and we shouldn't get all dipsy-doodle over stuff we didn't know.  And as for the "love child" story, the responses here exactly match my own reaction.  DNA test or, please stop making claims that aren't supported.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on March 31, 2008, 10:32:46 AM
Third Australian journalist reporting: Garry Maddox, from theage.com:

"The Perth woman involved would not comment yesterday but her husband asked for privacy, saying the child, a girl aged about 11, could be "incredibly hurt" if identified.  He said his wife, only weeks away from giving birth to twins, was stressed by the claim involving Ledger, who died in the US two months ago. "We want nothing to do with any of it," he said. "I don't need anything or want anything." "

Looks like that party can't prove anything seriously, so better don't ask. Well, at least the lady is prolific.

"The claim about another child came as a shock to even close friends of Ledger."

Oh, and the dear, dear uncles:
"Denying the issue was bad blood over lost money, Haydn Ledger said: "I couldn't give two knobs of goat shit about the money … We knew we were going to get nothing."
(Venom.)

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/family-shies-from-ledger-child-claim/2008/03/31/1206850811914.html
"Family shies from Ledger child claim", by Garry Maddox

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on March 31, 2008, 11:23:31 AM
Reguarding Heath hating school- Most kids who hate school , either hate it because they are bored and not challenged enough or are very shy and are fearfull at school. In Heath's case he was probally bored to tears, but in my case it was the latter.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on March 31, 2008, 11:31:17 AM
     Again, as far as the uncles, there is an easy, strong case they are the uncles from hell.  But family feuds are tangled and messy, and what we do know is that Heath did not like quarrels or spiteful behavior, and yet stayed in touch with those very same uncles, despite his close relationship with his father.
    Looks like a case of a non-feuder (Heath), making his way through life never shutting anybody out and doing the best he could, to do a juggling act, and stay on good terms, as he must have seen some good to them.  My sense of Heath is that he had enough experience from that family feud, to be practical in understanding people's flaws (and not just the uncles) and protect his own interests, and having done that, continued to love each and every one of them. It may well be that when he saw the corrupting lure that money can be, from MANY directions, he noted it, but forgave and kept people in his life.  It's sad, but he may have sensed that if he started peeling off anybody and everybody that may have remotely wanted some proceeds from his success, there just might have been very few left.  That's how bad money can corrupt.
  All I know is, if this mess accelerates, they may dredge up a lot, and that is what I meant by saying we ought to brace ourselves.  Right now, or even later, we just don't need more surprises.  We didn't know Heath had a terrible and painful sleep disorder.  We didn't know he had an Rx problem from legitimate medical needs.  And we didn't really know he had walking pnuemonia and extreme fatigue.  And we got hit hard.  It hurt us to know of these troubles.  But if there's more coming out, over time, just over the issue of money, well, it ain't like we haven't been hurt before.   We can hope....they'll knock it off.  He deserves better, and so do we.  Frunner's take on the uncles does make sense to me, on the current stories.  But I can't overlook that Heath didn't shun them, so he must have seen....they weren't the only ones sometimes in the wrong.  And he weaved around the feuds.  Speaks well of him, yet again.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: trekfan on March 31, 2008, 03:55:01 PM
Until I hear a DNA test being done I don't believe a word of it.   
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Queen_Beruthiel on March 31, 2008, 04:50:47 PM
The story is plausible.  It is also very convenient.  A wealthy Hollywood star dies, tragically young and in a blaze of publicity.  He leaves a daughter.  His out-dated will does not leave anything to that daughter but to other family members.  There are family ructions over the fortune he left.  And then..... one of the estranged relatives suddenly claims that another child exists a "secret" child who seems to be being put forward as a candidate for a share of the fortune.  Suspicious, no?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 31, 2008, 08:06:56 PM
And yet the child in question will not be identified for fear of being hurt. Hmmmmmm, while I don't dispute the theory that Heath could have done it, the "facts" of the story leave me cold.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on March 31, 2008, 08:12:47 PM
      With regard to Heath "hating school", once again, am sure I read on a link on this forum that he had had about 1 year of college and dropped out.  And, on one of his earlier MySpace sites, now dormant, he did list "some college".  Can anybody help me out here?  Can't be I was the only one to have read the link.  At any rate, there is a lot of vagueness about the several years after he left Perth.

Tony, if a site has him listing "some college" then I'd disregard anything else on that site. While things are slightly different around the Australian states, the general pattern is that a kid goes to secondary or high school from about 11 to maybe 17 or 18. In my state these schools are now often referred to as "colleges". After that they continue on to university - or not, as the case may be. Guildford Grammar, where Heath went, is a church-run private secondary school (although it may also incorporate primary (Grade) school classes as well; I forget).

Therefore, to say he had a year of college is just plain wrong. It doesn't work that way here.

There is no vagueness about his time after leaving Perth. He went to Sydney and continued acting, then left for the States.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Melisande on March 31, 2008, 08:29:05 PM
What I'm reading from the stories about a possible daughter is that an uncle is spreading a rumor that has been going around Perth for years. Might be true, might not. The girl's father disavowed any interest in money, her family did not start this. She's a little girl, they're not going to want her picture in the world press, especially in this context.

Personally, I'd like it to be true, because of Matilda having a sister, and because there'd be a little more Heath in the world. But I know it's none of my business, and that we're talking about a 10 (?) year-old child here.

I haven't read anything that suggested that Heath had done anything wrong, unless one thinks having sex is wrong. It seems he didn't know, if there was anything to know.

The uncle, now - I'm about to suspend benefit of the doubt for him.   

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on April 01, 2008, 06:23:53 AM
I haven't read anything that suggested that Heath had done anything wrong, unless one thinks having sex is wrong.
It seems he didn't know, if there was anything to know.
   It's very strange and I wonder why the allegedly former lover didn't tell him, if she was sure about the paternity.
Quote
The uncle, now - I'm about to suspend benefit of the doubt for him.   
    Suspended! Suspended!

Reporter Garry Madox added to his previous art.: http://www.smh.com.au/news/people/where-theres-a-will/2008/03/31/1206850808611.html
Quote
"In an interview with The West Australian two weeks ago, but only published today, the husband - the girl's stepfather - said "the simple thing is we will do a DNA test … You can organise it and we will go and do it and you can say: 'There, there's your lie.' "
However, when the newspaper contacted his wife, she refused, saying the request was "very, very rude" and she was in no mental state to cope with such a demand.
The huband told the Herald yesterday his wife was stressed by the claims while just weeks away from giving birth. "We want nothing to do with any of it. I don't need anything or want anything. I'm just very protective of my children."" 
      This is very confusing. First, the guy wants to "organise" a test, then he asks his wife who says no way I'm about to pop, then he becomes very protective and doesn't want anything more. Hm...  ::)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Tahoelvr on April 01, 2008, 09:52:16 AM
Maybe the stress of all of it is getting to the Mom.  If it is true do you think that when she was fooling around with a hot 17 year it would have occured to her that he would become Heath Ledger? If is true then their lives are about to be ripped wide open for speculation and world wide attention.  That child would forever be known as Heath's with cameras and garbage her entire life while her family will be accused of money grabbing. 

I can see where the stepdad might say "fine" gimme the test but upon thinking about it, changed their minds.  Unfortunately, this could be one of those "family" secrets that would have stayed "secret" if the Uncles had not spilled the beans looking for cash.  For all we know everyone involved was comfortable with the arrangment. 

If it's true.    :-\

(sorry, I corrected my horrible misspellings.  didn't have the right glasses on. )  :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 01, 2008, 10:52:49 AM
It's not something I even want to consider in this case but sometimes a woman doesn't know and doesn't ever want to know whose child it is  - it is not that uncommon. Maybe she didn't know whose child it was, never wanted to know and still doesn't want to know. Children don't automatically look lthe spitting image of their fathers. Though I do feel horrible for even joining in the speculation - as though it makes me one of the vultures.  I just hate all this crap. I feel so for his family and I feel especially much for all those who love him out there who are helpless to stop this kind of rumour. And if you look at Marilyn or JFK or Diana, the speculation never really goes away. I hope that someday soon Heath may rest in peace for the sake of his fans and his family. I wish we could honour and celebrate and cherish his memory without all this rubbish.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on April 01, 2008, 11:52:33 AM
Star gazers turn gallery into a shrine
(...)the picture has drawn record crowds, triggered a flood of emails and attracted six-figure offers.
(...)its popularity has helped the Archibald exhibition draw twice the number of visitors as last year.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/arts/i-get-up-to-50-emails-a-day-says-artist/2008/04/01/1206850908324.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Queen_Beruthiel on April 01, 2008, 12:16:11 PM
Karma's a bitch....

http://www.kten.com/Global/story.asp?S=8095052 (http://www.kten.com/Global/story.asp?S=8095052)

400 picket Westboro Baptist church

Associated Press - March 31, 2008 2:55 PM ET

TOPEKA, Kan. (AP) - Instead of picketing by members of the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas, around 400 people targeted the church in a Sunday protest of their own.

Organizers say the event drew marchers touting messages of compassion and tolerance for homosexuals.

The church is known for its anti-gay message and picketing of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan including pickets at the funerals of soldiers in Oklahoma and other states.

Homosexual, heterosexual and transgender pickets hugged, danced and cheered as passers-by honked their support for the protest at Gage Park in Topeka.

Organizer Chris Love of Leavenworth said he got the idea for the march after Westboro members picketed actor Heath Ledger's memorial service.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pylon101 on April 01, 2008, 12:30:30 PM
Have not written on the site for ages.
After Heath' death - just could read.

Anyway. It's a serious question.
I have been to Bali when it all happened. And I had plans to fly to Perth - but the ceremony was private.

So the question is what we know about Heath's grave and its - well, how to say? - status for visiting.

If the issue was previously discussed - please refer me to a right  place.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 01, 2008, 01:33:39 PM
Wasn't he cremated and his ashes scattered? Sorry if I am a total ignoramus here - I had not thought about a grave?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on April 01, 2008, 05:46:56 PM
Wasn't he cremated and his ashes scattered? Sorry if I am a total ignoramus here - I had not thought about a grave?
It was never reported that his ashes were scattered. At last report (up to the time of the private funeral in Australia), he was going to be buried in a cemetery in Perth where his grandparents are buried (they were also cremated--I have a photo of their small grave markers). I supposed that Heath's ashes would also be interred there next to his grandparents but I haven't heard any more word on that. It seems as though the family wanted to keep the final word on his ashes private. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 01, 2008, 05:55:20 PM
I suspect they are keeping it quiet too. One day when the hype has settled a little, maybe a small plaque will turn up near the grandparents' ones.  I do have a sense that he just disappeared in a puff of smoke, as if he'd never been here. I quite like that feeling - he was not quite of this earth in so many ways.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 01, 2008, 05:57:11 PM
Star gazers turn gallery into a shrine
(...)the picture has drawn record crowds, triggered a flood of emails and attracted six-figure offers.
(...)its popularity has helped the Archibald exhibition draw twice the number of visitors as last year.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/arts/i-get-up-to-50-emails-a-day-says-artist/2008/04/01/1206850908324.html

So they reckon it will win the people's Choice. So it should. I really like that artist - no wonder he was a friend. I can just see Heath giving him encouragement.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on April 01, 2008, 06:01:29 PM
~snip~I suspect they are keeping it quiet too. One day when the hype has settled a little, maybe a small plaque will turn up near the grandparents' ones. 

I like this thought. I hope this is the case. I'd like to visit his gravesite someday.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: pylon101 on April 02, 2008, 08:25:09 AM
As I happened to be in Bali island since Heath' death - until the last burial ceremony in Perth, I really felt some gravitation.
I really wanted to go and to see. It's just a 3 hour flight.

Not only the grave. But the place where he was born and raised - and spent a lot of time untill the end of his time.

I believe there should be something. It may take some time though.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brian on April 02, 2008, 04:21:34 PM
You may be interested in the latest report in the Sydney Morning Herald about the painting hanging in the Archibald Prize exhibition
Star gazers turn gallery into a shrine

Drawing record crowds … Vincent Fantauzzo says he has been offered hundreds of thousands of dollars for his portrait of Heath Ledger.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/arts/i-get-up-to-50-emails-a-day-says-artist/2008/04/01/1206850908324.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: oilgun on April 02, 2008, 04:58:13 PM
You may be interested in the latest report in the Sydney Morning Herald about the painting hanging in the Archibald Prize exhibition
Star gazers turn gallery into a shrine

Drawing record crowds … Vincent Fantauzzo says he has been offered hundreds of thousands of dollars for his portrait of Heath Ledger.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/arts/i-get-up-to-50-emails-a-day-says-artist/2008/04/01/1206850908324.html


Thanks for the link, I love that painting.  I'm not at all surprised by the offers, he should consider getting high quality prints made and donate the proceeds from the sales to a charity that Heath supported. (Then, I could get my copy!)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: LenaLovich on April 02, 2008, 05:16:00 PM
I thought I'd give my fellow Heath fans a head's up but People Magazine's cover story (which is coming out on Friday) is on Heath--"Did He Father a Secret Child?" The photo is of a younger Heath.

Now you may ask why they decided to devote an entire cover to this? I will tell you why (and I know this being in the industry). People Mag's Heath's death issue (where Heath was on the cover--not the follow up one with him and Michelle) is so far the best-selling issue this year for People. (Last year's People's cover story on "Owen Wilson's secret pain"--after Owen tried to kill himself--was their 2007 best-seller; FYI, their Princess Diana's death cover is the best-selling issue in People Mag's history).
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 02, 2008, 05:36:31 PM
Now you may ask why they decided to devote an entire cover to this? I will tell you why (and I know this being in the industry). People Mag's Heath's death issue (where Heath was on the cover--not the follow up one with him and Michelle) is so far the best-selling issue this year for People. (Last year's People's cover story on "Owen Wilson's secret pain"--after Owen tried to kill himself--was their 2007 best-seller; FYI, their Princess Diana's death cover is the best-selling issue in People Mag's history).


Another reason why I don't read, or buy that filth.  It's sickening.  >:(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 06, 2008, 02:30:06 AM
Nothing brings out good journalism like the almighty buck  ::)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ennis Del Mark on April 06, 2008, 08:33:51 AM
I ws already feeling sad about Heath and stopped in at a bookstore and saw this horrid story ON HIS BIRTHDAY.  Made me even sadder that he's being treated in such a matter.  What the hell is wrong with people (and PEOPLE)???

Mark
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marc on April 07, 2008, 09:20:30 AM
I saw The Patriot on HBO this weekend.  I think of it as a Heath Ledger movie, co-starring Mel Gibson.

Heath was terrific.  His facial expressions were marvelous.

BTW, the British lost.

For those of you interested in the fact that the British flag was a bit different, try Wikipedia:

     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_jack

It's an excellent discussion.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: kazinoz on April 08, 2008, 05:28:54 AM
Last week, the artist Vincent Fantauzzo was interviewed at the Art Gallery of NSW about his painting and of course much of the discussion was about Heath.

He has lots to say about how he got Heath to sit for him in the first place, the ideas that he was trying to put across, the process of painting the portrait, and about Heath himself. At one point he talks about going out to a bar in Perth for a friends' birthday, and witnessing how "extraordinary and different the reality that he lived in" was, with Heath constantly being approached by people for the whole three hours that they were there. It's an interesting glimpse into Heath's life from someone who actually knew him.

A video of the event is here (http://www.artgallery.nsw.gov.au/events/multimedia/vincent_fantauzzo)

It's quite lengthy, but definitely worth checking out.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 08, 2008, 06:49:38 AM
I don't know if this article link has been posted. Passed on to me today. It had me in tears by the end. Such a heartfelt piece by Luke Davies

I remember in those first awful moments of learning of his death, as the flurry of phone calls and text messages multiplied, wishing for anything, anything at all other than this abrupt impossibility. One of those vacuous, lurid gossip-column items - Ledger rushed to hospital, suspected overdose, a publicist speaking of ‘exhaustion' - would have been fine. Anything other than this finality.

I guess we all know that feeling.

http://www.themonthly.com.au/tm/node/821
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 08, 2008, 06:58:09 AM
I don't know if this article link has been posted. Passed on to me today. It had me in tears by the end. Such a heartfelt piece by Luke Davies

I remember in those first awful moments of learning of his death, as the flurry of phone calls and text messages multiplied, wishing for anything, anything at all other than this abrupt impossibility. One of those vacuous, lurid gossip-column items - Ledger rushed to hospital, suspected overdose, a publicist speaking of ‘exhaustion' - would have been fine. Anything other than this finality.

I guess we all know that feeling.

http://www.themonthly.com.au/tm/node/821


It was definitely a wonderful, if not so totally heartbreaking article.  One of the best I've read.  I love how the author made it into a very personal piece - not just filler you know?  This part got me the hardest:

Campbell speaks of how, when Ledger talked about Matilda, he - Campbell - would get jealous about the amazing childhood she was going to have. "Heath would get all excited about it and that excitement was so contagious," Campbell says. "All the things he would do with her as she grew up. Like buying a garage in Brooklyn and setting up a big screen on the back wall, so he and Matilda could pull the car up into it and have their own private drive-in theatre."

"And now," he says, "every time the weight of all this comes down on me, I just think about Matilda, and how she got cheated out of her drive-in."


 :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ruby on April 08, 2008, 01:14:17 PM
What a beautiful piece.  Such personal recollections of the man Heath was.  It's made me quite emotional again.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on April 08, 2008, 01:17:45 PM
aww thats started me off again i was doing quite well at not crying and thats ruined it! its so sweet he was so lovely what a beautiful idea oh heath what are you doing to me (well all of us)  :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on April 08, 2008, 01:31:21 PM
Magnificent article....Such a testament to his constant connection to other people. Too much of an angel in that way, perhaps, to just go on in this harsh world. He maybe had earned his wings early.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on April 08, 2008, 01:32:58 PM
aww thats sweet yeah maybe he did,god wanted heath with him.
id still prefere him to be with matilda but thats a nicer way of looking at it
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 08, 2008, 01:52:01 PM
Magnificent article....Such a testament to his constant connection to other people. Too much of an angel in that way, perhaps, to just go on in this harsh world. He maybe had earned his wings early.

He was about as normal as celebrities get, sincere almost to a fault and seemed real despite his unreal profession.  His tattoo artist saw that, and says so much about his character.  You don't get that kind of shout out about celebrities all that often.  They are often, sometimes by necessity, so detached from people who aren't in the industry. This tells me he wasn't, which is so wonderful.  Makes this loss all that more heartbreaking, though :(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on April 08, 2008, 01:57:24 PM
gotta go now
bye xx
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 08, 2008, 07:07:09 PM
Eleven weeks ago I was utterly distraught at this time but today, oddly enough, after reading that article and then getting a night's sleep, I seem to have some equilibrium.  I dreamed of phoning Heath then hanging up before someone got him to the phone because I didn't have anything to say. But I woke up feeling good. Luke's piece gave me a sense of someone who was running at full throttle right up to the last, who was so full of life and energy that his death could only have been an unfortunate accident caused by perhaps not stopping long enough to think and to concentrate on himself for five minutes.

And while I mourn the passing of someone so vital and wonderful, I feel better that he squeezed every last bit of life from the years he had. And not only that, but he gave - as Lily Cole said - as much of it back to other people as he could. Pretty amazing man. We are so lucky to have shared what we had.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Melby on April 08, 2008, 10:29:02 PM
An amazing article.  ;D  :'(
So glad I didn't miss it. Many, many thanks for the link....and discussion here. (((((( Heathens ))))))

Lily Cole on Heath, in themonthly.com article:  "He was just like" - she spreads her arms wide - "he was just like ... give. Give. You know what I mean?"

Give.
Yes, we know what you mean.
Thank you for all you gave to us, Heath. Hope you are getting it back in spades now.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on April 09, 2008, 08:37:57 AM
http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1585063/story.jhtml

There is a moving article and video of Parnassus actor Verne Troyer on Heath this morning (along with Heath's other uncle categorically denying the "love child" after much damage has been done).
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 09, 2008, 09:02:48 AM
That is just lovely. Verne Troyer is spot-on. Heath means so much to so many people. We all picked a good one when we fell in love with him. "His legions of heart-broken fans" - ah yes.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Melby on April 09, 2008, 09:50:49 AM
moomoo, thank you for the link to another tremendously moving article!


Sure would like to see Heath's scribbled heart!

"A lot of us went and copied that heart and had it tattooed, in remembrance of Heath," he explained, showing off his heartfelt symbol. "We had it copied identical to how he scribbled it....."  Wow!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Mule on April 09, 2008, 02:00:32 PM
An amazing article.  ;D  :'(
So glad I didn't miss it. Many, many thanks for the link....and discussion here. (((((( Heathens ))))))

Lily Cole on Heath, in themonthly.com article:  "He was just like" - she spreads her arms wide - "he was just like ... give. Give. You know what I mean?"

Give.
Yes, we know what you mean.
Thank you for all you gave to us, Heath. Hope you are getting it back in spades now.



Oh yes... we know what you mean!

That a wonderful article. Thanks for posting that link, Marian. (And to everyone else for posting links to articles I'd otherwise probably never come across.)

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Mule on April 09, 2008, 02:08:19 PM
http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1585063/story.jhtml

Thanks, moomoo! Isn't it amazing how every single person who happened to know him tells the same nice things about him?
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on April 09, 2008, 02:09:35 PM
That is just lovely. Verne Troyer is spot-on. Heath means so much to so many people. We all picked a good one when we fell in love with him. "His legions of heart-broken fans" - ah yes.

yep thats us  :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: royandronnie on April 09, 2008, 07:00:58 PM
I mean, we all knew he was handsome. We all knew he was a fantastic actor. We all knew he adored his daughter, and he seemed like a pretty cool guy.

Why is it only after he is gone that we find out that it wasn't just us, thinking he was something special? And that we had no real idea, how right we were?

Why didn't I know how cool he was until it was too late? I already had a lot of time for him. Now I have more time for him than I know what to do with.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 09, 2008, 07:04:07 PM
I mean, we all knew he was handsome. We all knew he was a fantastic actor. We all knew he adored his daughter, and he seemed like a pretty cool guy.

Why is it only after he is gone that we find out that it wasn't just us, thinking he was something special? And that we had no real idea, how right we were?

Why didn't I know how cool he was until it was too late? I already had a lot of time for him. Now I have more time for him than I know what to do with.

most excellent post royand!   I especially agree with the bolded parts.  Why indeed... :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 09, 2008, 07:38:45 PM
*puts hand up*
I knew he was special.
He was a darling, darling man.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on April 09, 2008, 10:12:17 PM
Hmmm, I think alot of us appreciated him-Perhaps you mean , why were there so many things we did not know about him? Such as him being a chess master?? Because he was a private person-he did a good job of hiding himself. Jake is an example of a star who doesn't do that as much-he lets it all hang out, more or less. ;)

I never got the impression, Char, that you did not know how utterly awesome Heath was... :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 09, 2008, 11:12:18 PM
It's nice in a tragic way to have our beliefs confirmed. I'll be cheeky enough to say I thought I had a sense of Heath the person and the sort of comments that are being made again and again by a whole variety of people just back up what I thought. He just seems to have been into everything, and always ready to shaaaaaaaaare. The man was on a mission, one way or another.

And you're right about keeping his essentially private things private, Jo. And so he should have. It was possible to know an awful lot of him without having access to those private things that are just for him and his nearest and dearest.

I've said it so many times but it never goes away - I MISS HIM SO MUCH.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: royandronnie on April 10, 2008, 06:49:54 PM
Oh, I knew how awesome he was as an actor, how striking a man, and that he was an interesting person. You're right Jo--I ask a rhetorical question: such a pity that we lusted after him, gave him credit for being a great actor and pretty cool--but how much more we could have adored him, if we had know how much there was to admire. It hurts that there are so many things I found out only too late, each new thing adding to someone I would love to have talked to, but never will. Before, I was content with the idea that our paths would never cross, barring a miracle. Now, I know that we had a lot in common, and that it would have been a joy to have even a short chat with him. I mean, you know I'm a Lasher, so I didn't dwell on Heath as most here do. But I've skewed way more toward Heath since January 22nd. He's no longer a 2-dimensional movie star whom I loved two-dimensionally, though genuinely, for the gift of Ennis Del Mar. He's a real, and amazing human being.

That is, he was.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 10, 2008, 10:13:06 PM
MEMORIAL BENCH AT COTTESLOE BEACH - IDEA WON'T BE GOING AHEAD

Most of you will recall a discussion on the Farewell Thread some time ago about how to honour Heath's memory. Benches at two of his favourite places were suggested, in New York and in Perth. I wrote to the council here and got back a reply today. Sadly, the answer is "No". Both letters are below.

Any more suggestions? I know Terry hasn't heard back from the authorities in NYC to date.


Dear Mr Tindale


MEMORIAL BENCH - COTTESLOE BEACH


I am writing as the representative of  a large group of people who are members of an Internet forum dedicated to the film Brokeback Mountain. In response to the recent death of Heath Ledger, it was agreed that one suitable way of remembering Heath would be to have a memorial bench erected on the seafront at Cottesloe Beach.

I have spoken by phone to David from your council, who informed me that a written notification to yourself is required. He explained how it is usual for an onsite decision to be made regarding placement, etc. I am the closest member of our group and as you can see I am many thousands of kilometres away. Also, as we are not members of the Ledger family, we understand that it would ultimately have to be their decision whether or not to go ahead.

It is our intention to approach the family in the fullness of time, but in the meanwhile, I thought it best if I notified you of our desire to carry through this project. It may well be that others have had the same idea. If such a thing occurs (and I'm sure your council doesn't envisage having an entire collection of memorial benches dedicated to Heath!) perhaps the different parties could liaise and co-operate in some way.

So the purpose of this letter is to, as it were, stake our claim in this matter. Due to the sensitive nature of the issue we will not be continuing to the next stage - contacting the family - for some time. I hope all of this makes some sense and I look forward to your further advice. Our main desire is to honour in some tangible, appropriate and useful way the life and work of a dearly beloved man.


Yours Sincerely, etc.


And today's reply:

Dear Marian

Memorial Bench - Cottesloe Beach

Thank you for your correspondence of 25th February 2008.

I am sorry that is has taken so long to respond to you but we have had to think long and hard on your request because of the sensitivities that are involved.

Unfortunately I have to advise you that we are unable to meet the request. We have found that with so many requests for memorial benches that the time has come to place a moratorium on the acceptance of any new requests.

In simple terms, we have more than sufficient benches at the present time and their placement and maintenance is becoming burdensome.

The time has now come to [sic] for us to step back and decide just how we want our beachfront to evolve and we intend doing just that through our Beachfront Vision Working Group.

If anything changes, I'll let you know.


Yours sincerely


Stephen Tindale
Chief Executive Officer.



Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on April 10, 2008, 10:13:25 PM

Re: R and R's post:

Oh, I know what you mean, Char...its painful to hear all the wonderful htings you did not know when he was alive; Knd of like Jack and the shirts, no? Ennis had no idea the depth and breath of Jack's character, really...he knew it perhaps on an instinctive level. But he didn't really know the details, and he did not have literal knowledge that would have allowed him to appreciate Jack openly. Because those things that made him unique and exceptional, were the same things he feared would make Ennis reject him.

Now where did I go with this??? ;D ;D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Heath4Ever on April 11, 2008, 04:22:56 AM
Thanks, Marian, for all your efforts on our behalf re a memorial bench for Heath.  I tried to get a memorial bench for my grandparents here in England and was met with a mountain of red tape, so I know the difficulties.  Anyway, if you don't ask, you don't get.....
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on April 11, 2008, 11:21:38 AM
Now for something completeyly different.  I had not seen this humorous Heath carpet interview b4 and would like to pass it on in case you haven't (search the Eric Blair interview on YouTube and see).  Very playful and funny, adorably so.   
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Uli on April 11, 2008, 12:52:31 PM
MEMORIAL BENCH AT COTTESLOE BEACH - IDEA WON'T BE GOING AHEAD

 :-\ But thank you so much for trying, Marian! And who knows, maybe one day you will hear from him!  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Uli on April 11, 2008, 12:55:25 PM
Very playful and funny, adorably so.   

Thank you for telling us about that clip, moomoo!  :) It is everything you said!  He is so sweet!  :)

Here's the link:

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVhgSLiK3To
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on April 11, 2008, 02:50:07 PM
   Dear Uli - that link was fantastic!  Very funny.   These clips keep showing up of Heath, with ever new aspects to his personality.  Here, he's both challenging the reporters, and messing with them, very good-natured.  Everybody, anybody, please find more!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Uli on April 11, 2008, 02:52:05 PM
   Dear Uli - that link was fantastic!  Very funny.   These clips keep showing up of Heath, with ever new aspects to his personality.  Here, he's both challenging the reporters, and messing with them, very good-natured.  Everybody, anybody, please find more!

Oh, I just posted the link - moomoo pointed us to it!  :)

Hehe, I wonder what Heath was picking up from the floor!  :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on April 12, 2008, 12:10:50 PM
http://news.aol.com/entertainment/story/_a/lawsuit-ledger-used-cocaine-at-party/n20080411195809990018


More bullshit, just so you are aware...why don't we all just take the money we would've spent reading this in the tabloids, split it up and mail it to every loser trying to make money off of poor Heath-even if its only $20 bucks a person, its more than they had before-and making money IS what they are really after, after all. I'm sure every grubby cent would be appreciated... >:(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on April 12, 2008, 12:16:46 PM
I saw that earlier;

http://www.usmagazine.com/heath-ledger

The thing I can't believe is that ET paid $200,000.00 for the tape!   Why would anyone want to see that?   And why does anyone care, the poor man has died, why not just let him rest in peace?

And I wonder if these sites get money every time we visit them, food for thought?  :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on April 12, 2008, 12:38:41 PM
They do get paid, for every hit-the split the money with the big companies,  and news agencies, if I recall. So yes, if we click on the site we are making a .40 contribution, or something like that....
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: divina on April 12, 2008, 12:44:40 PM
Interesting interview with Eric Roberts about heath that's new to me at least:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXHmaH4SWJg&NR=1
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 12, 2008, 01:01:56 PM
It's so sad that Heath is only coming to light for so many people now. So many people didn't come across him until he was gone. Some of these tributes make me want to cry - it's so final and tragic that he is not with us anymore. The tributes are lovely and let us get to know him better but I do so wish they were not necessary. I am not a Heath fan in the same sense as so many of you are so that fact tends to hit me in waves  rather than constantly. I have been an admirer of his work since 10 things. I tried to see everything with him in it. He was so good. What an utter complete tragedy it all is.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 13, 2008, 08:51:29 AM
I have watched Four Feathers, Ned Kelly, 10 Things, Knight's Tale, Casanova, Patriot, Brothers Grimm, Lords of Dogtown.

Would anyone recommend Candy, Two Hands or The Order?

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 13, 2008, 08:53:03 AM
I couldn't imagine any other two actors making Brokeback what it was. I think it was absolutely perfect casting.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on April 13, 2008, 08:54:15 AM
I have watched Four Feathers, Ned Kelly, 10 Things, Knight's Tale, Casanova, Patriot, Brothers Grimm, Lords of Dogtown.

Would anyone recommend Candy, Two Hands or The Order?



yeah candy although it is quite a hard film to watch and sad its still a really good film
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 13, 2008, 08:58:02 AM
I second Candy!  I love gritty honest stories and this was all that and more.  I enjoyed it very much.  :)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Uli on April 13, 2008, 08:58:47 AM
Would anyone recommend Candy, Two Hands or The Order?

Definitely Candy and Two Hands!!!!! After BBM those two are my favourite Heath movies!  :)


ETA: Ach, watch The Order, too... The movie kind of sucks, but hey, it's Heath! And he is kind of hot! :D
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 13, 2008, 09:02:59 AM
my stepson is an addict so I think it may be a bit hard to watch  :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Uli on April 13, 2008, 09:04:24 AM
my stepson is an addict so I think it may be a bit hard to watch  :'(

 :-\ Oh, sorry...  :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 13, 2008, 09:23:35 AM
I have watched Four Feathers, Ned Kelly, 10 Things, Knight's Tale, Casanova, Patriot, Brothers Grimm, Lords of Dogtown.

Would anyone recommend Candy, Two Hands or The Order?



I'd recommend Candy. It's a hard one to watch anyway, but even with your personal situation I think it would be okay. It's not utterly "in the gutter" or anything. The thing to remember is that Luke Davies, who wrote it and who was the character Dan whom Heath played, was an addict for years and years and now is a successful writer and beautiful man, as that article he wrote about Heath proves.

Two Hands is an interesting film, and it's good to see how at a young age Heath just threw himself into roles. He had that special something right from the start.

The Order - not a great film but Heath is to die for, and once again, he has that something.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 13, 2008, 09:44:31 AM
Have ordered Candy and The Order. I think some of the most beautiful Heath pics come from Candy.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 13, 2008, 09:46:13 AM
my stepson is an addict so I think it may be a bit hard to watch  :'(

 :-\ Oh, sorry...  :-\

don't be - it's been part of all our lives for many years and we have all learned to cope. As mini says, Candy may be okay given our situation at home.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: trekfan on April 13, 2008, 03:44:53 PM
Have ordered Candy and The Order. I think some of the most beautiful Heath pics come from Candy.
We get some nice tushy shots,  now if that isn't worth watching this movie over I don't know what is!   ;=

It is a good movie.  So is Two Hands.  The only Heath movie I will not watch again is Monster's Ball     And that is not because of Heath's performance,  it is cause I hate BBT  and the basic premise behind the story
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 13, 2008, 08:02:21 PM
I think I'd only watch Monster's Ball for the first half hour. The rest really doesn't hold my attention. And it's not just because I'm a Heath fan. While I felt it was a pretty good film I wouldn't watch it again at all if it wasn't for Heath who was utterly spellbinding as Sonny.
I don't think that made sense. I think I was trying to say that I wouldn't watch it just because of Heath. That doesn't make sense either. I'll quit while I'm behind.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CellarDweller115 on April 14, 2008, 07:51:00 AM
I have not seen Candy, but I've heard nothing but good things about the film in general, and Heath's performance.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 14, 2008, 07:57:29 AM
My 28yo son borrowed it and watched it this week, and I was just talking about it with him. I was saying how Heath stands out from an excellent cast because his acting is unique. Morgan mentioned a TV program that we'd seen not long ago where two couples were played by actors but everyone else - the professionals in this program - were played by genuine professionals, doctors, etc. We agreed that there was the same odd split between acting and reality in Candy. Everybody does a great job of acting except Heath who plain and simple IS Dan.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on April 14, 2008, 09:14:04 AM
I am with Sir Ebert on this one, I loved Monsters Ball;

http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20020201/REVIEWS/202010304/1023

And I loved Heath in it, obviously.

I only saw bits of Candy when it was on my movie station.  I would have watched it just for Heath.  But my husbands brother was an addict and he is another one who finds films like that very difficult.  He has a hard time finding any sympathy for the characters.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 14, 2008, 10:29:24 AM
another great article about the Joker and Heath, with a great comment at the end from Ang Lee.  Apologies if this has already been posted.

http://www.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=87981 (http://www.readingeagle.com/article.aspx?id=87981)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on April 14, 2008, 12:48:03 PM
Here is one that might get some upset.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/12/lawsuit-ledger-used-cocai_n_96360.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Queen_Beruthiel on April 14, 2008, 01:18:39 PM
Here is one that might get some upset.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/12/lawsuit-ledger-used-cocai_n_96360.html

A theory that makes sense to me is that "Jane Doe" is the stooge or patsy of one of the news outlets.  ET (Entertainment Trash) allegedly paid $200,000 for that tape and because of the outcry, never aired it.   Maybe they want their money's worth but are proceeding in this circuitous way to test the water, just in case there is another uproar.  Who can say?


Doe is asking for unspecified damages for fraud, intrusion, infliction of emotional distress, and privacy violations.


Bitch, please! 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Queen_Beruthiel on April 14, 2008, 01:22:32 PM
I actually think that nearly all of Heath's films are poor; mediocre at best.  He is easily the best thing about Lords of Dogtown and Brothers Grimm (anybody else think that Terry Gilliam is over-rated?). 

Few young actors get good material, and many actors never get good material.  He was just hitting his stride....
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Lola on April 14, 2008, 01:35:32 PM
I actually think that nearly all of Heath's films are poor; mediocre at best.  He is easily the best thing about Lords of Dogtown and Brothers Grimm (anybody else think that Terry Gilliam is over-rated?). 

Few young actors get good material, and many actors never get good material.  He was just hitting his stride....

I don't agree with that at all!   Many of his films were nominated for and or won Oscars.........Brokeback Mountain, Monsters Ball, The Patriot, I'm Not There.    I thought  A Knights Tale was wonderful and so was Casanova.   


I actually liked Lords, with or without Heath in it.  And I am thinking this new Batman film is going to be a big hit!


But yea you can only do so much in the short time he had and I think he did alot!  :'(

Brokeback will end up being his best film.........and I honestly feel that would have been a hard act to follow anyway!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 14, 2008, 01:38:53 PM
But yea you can only do so much in the short time he had and I think he did alot!  :'(

You bet!  :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 14, 2008, 06:54:24 PM

I actually think that nearly all of Heath's films are poor; mediocre at best.  He is easily the best thing about Lords of Dogtown and Brothers Grimm (anybody else think that Terry Gilliam is over-rated?). 

Few young actors get good material, and many actors never get good material.  He was just hitting his stride....

Okay, my assessment:

Black Rock - adequate drama film. Nothing special but not poor.
Two Hands - good little film. It won awards here in Oz. Better than mediocre, even if I don't like Bryan Brown
The Patriot - can't say I like Mel Gibson either, and the gung-ho ending puts me off but standard film fare
10 Things - great teen flick. It's a good film for what it is
A Knight's Tale - as above. Pleasant entertainment. Better than mediocre
The Order - yeah, okay ...
Ned Kelly - good film although I quibble about the script in places
4 Feathers - I like it. I'd call it good
Monster's Ball - very good film although not one I'd willingly watch again, beyond the first half hour
Lords Of Dogtown - I love this film. I think it's an excellent film, Heath or no Heath
Brothers Grimm - I like Gilliam films and this one, while a mess, is charming
Casanova - good pleasant fare
BBM - it was okay
Candy - excellent little film
I'm Not There - totally loved it. Such a clever film


Even the very worst of his films aren't truly rotten. I wish he'd had the chance to show us more but it didn't happen. But what we've got left are a bunch of okay to brilliant films with no true stinkers, and Heath hangs on to his integrity in all of them.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 14, 2008, 06:58:04 PM
10 Things - great teen flick. It's a good film for what it is
A Knight's Tale - as above. Pleasant entertainment. Better than mediocre
The Order - yeah, okay ...
Ned Kelly - good film although I quibble about the script in places
4 Feathers - I like it. I'd call it good
Monster's Ball - very good film although not one I'd willingly watch again, beyond the first half hour
Lords Of Dogtown - I love this film. I think it's an excellent film, Heath or no Heath
Brothers Grimm - I like Gilliam films and this one, while a mess, is charming
Casanova - good pleasant fare
BBM - it was okay
Candy - excellent little film
I'm Not There - totally loved it. Such a clever film

LMAO!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 15, 2008, 04:58:57 AM
I didn't like Monster's Ball at all. I couldn't watch it when it came out. But then when I read that they cast Heath for BBM after seeing him in Monster's Ball, I wanted to see him in it. I watched it till....you know..... and then I stopped. Heath blew everyone else out of the water as regards acting I think, even Halle Berry. If he had been in it longer he would have stolen the show.

I watched Candy yesterday. It was sad but beautiful and Heath was amazing - that fullface shot of him in the car when she is doing her bit in the shop is incredible. Because my 26 yo stepson is an addict I could relate in a strange way and it was very true to our lives. It shown the attraction and appeal of that lifestyle without making it attractive or appealing.

I have The Order waiting to be watched now.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 15, 2008, 05:04:20 AM
I'm so glad you watched Candy. I love the shot where he hears Candy is pregnant. That beautiful still face with just the smallest of expressions crossing it, and yet conveying everything - wonderful.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 15, 2008, 05:19:21 AM
I'm glad I watched it - thanks for the recommendation  8)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on April 15, 2008, 08:33:58 AM
I like all of Heath's movies but haven't seen his earliest work yet mainly because it's not easily accessible for renting.  Eventually I will buy them, I guess.  I feel similarly about MOnster's Ball as many here, love Candy, really like the Brothers Grimm (for Italian character and Jonathan Pryce's hysterical Frenchman -- Giiliam really does a grand job on the French), etc. etc.  Saw THe Four Feathers again recently and Heath is great (even does a fantastic jumping on the back of a trotting horse stund and he always looks so beautifully natural on a horse).  Regarding The Order, I liked it more the second time.  Scene where he finds Mara dead is great and I like the twist of killing the Sin Eater/Becoming the Sin Eater.

Saw this this morning http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,351197,00.html  Sounds like from the people who gave you Heath's Nick Drake video being "a cry for help."  If it's not a quote from an actor (if the source remains unidentified) it's just garbage gossip I'd say.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 15, 2008, 08:53:29 AM
Sounds like the usual old crap, and doesn't tally with what Chris Nolan and others were saying. I prefer to believe people who put their names to their words, like Verne Troyer. We all know that Heath spent about the same amount of time holed up in a hotel working on Ennis too, and while filming, he was not as approachable as some, simply because he was trying to keep the mood and trying to do the best job he could. You can make anything sound bad if you really try.

Mark you, I can see him having fun with the Joker but who wouldn't.

And if he was so screwed up in London, how come he was out dancing with his friend and being his standard wonderful self. I suspect the people who peddle this tripe don't have the first and faintest idea of what he was really like.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on April 15, 2008, 09:02:34 AM
I didn't like Monster's Ball at all. I couldn't watch it when it came out. But then when I read that they cast Heath for BBM after seeing him in Monster's Ball, I wanted to see him in it. I watched it till....you know..... and then I stopped. Heath blew everyone else out of the water as regards acting I think, even Halle Berry. If he had been in it longer he would have stolen the show.

I watched Candy yesterday. It was sad but beautiful and Heath was amazing - that fullface shot of him in the car when she is doing her bit in the shop is incredible. Because my 26 yo stepson is an addict I could relate in a strange way and it was very true to our lives. It shown the attraction and appeal of that lifestyle without making it attractive or appealing.

I have The Order waiting to be watched now.


Candy was hard to watch, yet his performace was GREAT. He should have received more attention for that movie.

Monster's Ball was disturbing and Heath's performance was outstanding. He should have gotten a Oscar nomination for that role. I still can not believe that Halle Berry got one for her role? Heath out did her and Billy Bob. This is just my opinion.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on April 15, 2008, 09:10:52 AM
Yeah, nameless outsiders, bystanders may judge or misinterpret Heath's behavior, if this isn't totally a fabrication, and then put their two cents in.  Sure I'd like to know why he was wearing a ski mask his last night but I cannot conjecture because there may be a totally innocent reason, I mean he was famous ...

Uh, I didn't mean to say I like the Bros Grimm just for Peter Stormare and Jonathan Pryce.  Heath's performance, relationship bet. the brothers (the duet of Heath and Matt Damon), the special effects woven so well into the story which I find somewhat touching (and I feel that fairytales have so much truth and connection with this world and life), and even the gypsy music.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on April 15, 2008, 09:13:15 AM
As Eric Roberts says in the interview where he calls Heath a sweetie pie who deserved the Oscar for Monsters Ball, you don't get Oscars when you deserve them and I'd say that not all who get them deserve them.  Right.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ellye on April 15, 2008, 09:44:05 AM
Sounds like the usual old crap, and doesn't tally with what Chris Nolan and others were saying. I prefer to believe people who put their names to their words, like Verne Troyer. We all know that Heath spent about the same amount of time holed up in a hotel working on Ennis too, and while filming, he was not as approachable as some, simply because he was trying to keep the mood and trying to do the best job he could. You can make anything sound bad if you really try.

Mark you, I can see him having fun with the Joker but who wouldn't.

And if he was so screwed up in London, how come he was out dancing with his friend and being his standard wonderful self. I suspect the people who peddle this tripe don't have the first and faintest idea of what he was really like.

Makes you wonder what these muck rakers would have done if Heath had died from being knocked down by a car driven by a drunk driver or something that was clearly someone elses fault.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 15, 2008, 09:54:32 AM
As Eric Roberts says in the interview where he calls Heath a sweetie pie who deserved the Oscar for Monsters Ball, you don't get Oscars when you deserve them and I'd say that not all who get them deserve them.  Right.

that interview makes me mad, though.  The interviewer didn't want to hear how great Heath was, all she wanted was some "dirt" on his lifestyle to sensationalize the story.  Foxnews is shite.   >:(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 15, 2008, 11:01:42 AM
I've just sat down to watch The Order only to find it was some crap movie from 2007 called The Last Sin Eater. What a disappointment. So am watching Patriot again.....
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: trekfan on April 15, 2008, 11:52:25 AM
10 Things - great teen flick. It's a good film for what it is
A Knight's Tale - as above. Pleasant entertainment. Better than mediocre
The Order - yeah, okay ...
Ned Kelly - good film although I quibble about the script in places
4 Feathers - I like it. I'd call it good
Monster's Ball - very good film although not one I'd willingly watch again, beyond the first half hour
Lords Of Dogtown - I love this film. I think it's an excellent film, Heath or no Heath
Brothers Grimm - I like Gilliam films and this one, while a mess, is charming
Casanova - good pleasant fare
BBM - it was okay
Candy - excellent little film
I'm Not There - totally loved it. Such a clever film

LMAO!

I have to say that Heath gave us variety in his films.   He didn't stick to any formula when choosing a movie.  He wanted something that was challenging for him. He didn't look at films and think he had to make it cause it was going to make him alot of money.  He didn't think that way.  He was a true artist, he let himself become whatever role he was playing.

I liked 10 Things,  I thought it was a touching romantic movie (Taming of the Shrew is what they describe it as being like, so maybe we can say he did Shakespeare in an offbeat way)

I thought Knight's tale is a feel good movie.  I love the period, knights, jousting and the music is what I like and again it was a nice romantic movie and I thought the scene where William sees his father again is so touching.

I didn't see LOD or Two Hands until recently and I thought they were both good.   I can't say that LOD is my absolute favorite but I would recommend both movies.   I thought Two Hands was going to be a very dark movie but it surprised me by having some light sides to it (and seeing Heath dive into the water in underwear or was it swim trunks (I think they had little bats on them too)  was WELL worth it)

Four Feathers blew me away when I saw Heath do that dangerous stunt, jumping on a horse in the middle of a stampede.  It showed me what lengths he would go to do be realistic in a movie

Ned Kelly was interesting. I know very little about Australian history. I don't know how accurate this depiction is of him.  But I thought Heath did a good job

Brother's Grimm was one of those quirky movies that either you're going to like or not like.  I liked it.  I wouldn't say it was my favorite but it is a nice movie. 

Casanova (sigh)  if he wants to he can come through my window any time he WANTS.  One comment Heath had made about Casanova vs Don Juan is that he said Casanova cared deeply about the woman he bedded,   they weren't meaningless conquests to him.    And his portrayal of him made me believe that!   Definitely worth seeing over and over (like knight's tale)  and watching the extras is a MUST

Brokeback Mountain- well what can I say but a brilliant performance by both Heath and Jake.  They made us forget about them and they became Ennis and Jack.   Heath's portrayal won him plenty of accolades and this movie plenty of awards.  For a movie that was low budget it not only surpassed box office expectations but for a movie that some didn't think would get noticed I think this movie will be for the ages.   A classic like Gone with the Wind.   A movie that will never be forgotten.  And unfortunately with the way mainstream Hollywood is I don't think it will be repeated in any way (at least not for now)    And Ennis Del Mar is by far Heath's best performance.  (of course we have yet to see TDK but I think that will be in a separate catagory and can't be compared to this movie at all)

Candy was a good movie,  I think it is one of those movies that teenagers should see.  A 'don't let this happen to you' message on how destructive drugs can be.     What made this even more moving is when you think that during the scene where Candy is pregnant  Michelle is also pregnant.    This affects Heath's performance immensely (he said as much)  he had to call Michelle after his scene was done to check on her.   It is not an easy movie to watch but it is worth seeing.

Monster's Ball is NOT my favorite movie.   Heath did a great job but he is barely in the movie for 30 mins and even though his performance got him noticed by Ang and the director of Candy (they said it affected their decision to cast him in their movies)    I saw it once.  I can't stand BBT and I'm not a Halle Berry fan either  so I will not be watchng it again

The Order is another movie that is so hard to watch.   But once again Heath's performance is powerful.

I'm Not There-   I went to see it this past Nov 21st.  I have to say that I am not a Bob Dylan fan and to really enjoy this movie I think you should be or at least know some of the history.   I wanted to walk out in the non-Heath parts.  It bored me.   BUT I do think that all in all Cate B did deserve the awards she won,  she did a great job transforming into Bob Dylan.    But for Heath lovers,  well I can't wait to get the DVD where I can watch only his scenes. cause he did a WONDERFUL job.  When you think that he was not even supposed to BE in this movie.  Michelle had been cast and he went with her and Matilda to see her shoot her scenes.   Someone dropped out at the last minute and Todd Haynes needed someone to fill the spot.   Heath wasn't working at that time and he was asked if he would be interested and Heath said sure.   I am SO glad he did cause he was wonderful.

I can't wait to see TDK and Imaginarium.   It will be sad to realize that this is his last roles but I am so happy he was here to share his gifts with us. We'll never forget him


Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Queen_Beruthiel on April 15, 2008, 11:55:33 AM
Re the Fox news thing....

Quote
...two years ago...

Actually filming started just one year ago and only finished completely in November. 

Reliable news source!   ::)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 15, 2008, 12:06:25 PM
Re the Fox news thing....

Quote
...two years ago...

Actually filming started just one year ago and only finished completely in November. 

Reliable news source!   ::)

I was thinking the exact same thing when I read that...dumbarses!  ???
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: WintersGrass on April 15, 2008, 02:31:23 PM
Does anybody know if the full Black Eyed Dog (including the end video is out there somewhere?
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: kazinoz on April 15, 2008, 02:50:17 PM
Marijke

as far as I know the full video is not on the net - or if it is I can't find it  :)
 
There is a Nick Drake website called A Place to Be (http://www.aplacetobe.cc/) which talks about all the various projects, including Black Eyed Dog. They are aiming to release the videos on a dvd or as paid downloads from that website, but there's nothing up there yet.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Queen_Beruthiel on April 15, 2008, 02:55:40 PM
This Sky News clip shows part of the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4SF_Y45g0w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4SF_Y45g0w)

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: royandronnie on April 15, 2008, 06:42:46 PM
Does anybody know if the full Black Eyed Dog (including the end video is out there somewhere?
Thanks in advance


Now here's a username I haven't seen in about, oh, three months! Glad to see it again. Welcome back.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: WintersGrass on April 16, 2008, 02:15:40 AM
This Sky News clip shows part of the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4SF_Y45g0w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4SF_Y45g0w)



Thanks for all the links!
I'm dying to see this entire video...I think Heath did an awesome job. I don't know if I'd call it a cry for help, some people don't get that creative people deal with their depression/sadness with making art. Yet alone the process can be healing.
I heard that he's drowning himself in the end, I know that most of the folks don't like to see something like that now after he's gone, but I'd really like to see it!
Let's hope that one day it pops up!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on April 16, 2008, 10:04:29 AM
Depp, Farrell, Law and now
Brad Pitt replaced Heath Ledger in the starring role:

"Jessica Chastain has been cast opposite Brad Pitt in the drama "Tree of Life," written and directed by Terrence Malick.
River Road is financing the pic, which began shooting recently in Texas. Bill Pohlad is producing with Sarah Green ("The New World") and Grant Hill.
The story concerns the loss of innocence as seen through the eyes of the son of the characters portrayed by Pitt and Chastain.
Sean Penn appears in a supporting role.
Pitt replaced the late Heath Ledger in the starring role."
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117984099.html?categoryid=1238&cs=1
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 16, 2008, 10:10:44 AM
Another  film I was so looking forward to seeing our boy in.  Life without Heath doesn't get any easier, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on April 16, 2008, 10:19:50 AM
Indeed.
Also, he is replaced by actors who have worked years (!) longer than him in the field.
He truly is outstanding.
They just now equal his maturity.
(All these other actors, if they would have been cut at 28, not much would have been left.)


 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 16, 2008, 10:30:14 AM
Yes, that's a good point. people forget sometimes just how young Heath was. (No, I do not like saying "was"  :'( :'( :'() We didn't get nearly enough of him but in that short time he proved several times that he was an exceptional actor.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on April 16, 2008, 11:02:14 AM
    About finding the video about depression, am surprised no one has found a link.  I've seen it several times, just can't remember where.  Marijke brought up the question of whether it was a cry for help.  This is, of course, an area where we are divided, as some find it easier to grieve, looking away from any pain in Heath's life, and some want to know the real truth, meaning, why the need for anti-depressants and also anti-anxiety medication.  Many go too far and suggest that anyone looking at these issues is pushing a druggie or suicide theory, which just isn't true.
  I do, myself, believe Heath was trapped in a mode where people wanted happy/happy. where he, himself was often happy, but that he had no real way to communicate when things went the other way.  All he could do was, occasionally, signal, and if that's a cry for help, so be it.
 That theory, that he had troubles all the way back, seems to hold up.  I saw a video of him promoting A Knight's Tale on a comedy show, and he came right out and said he was TIRED...., DEPRESSED...., LONELY....., in emphatic tones, and then, it being a comedy show, he immediately reversed himself, joked, and settled for saying he was fatigued by promoting the movie. I will try to look up the link and post it.  If you don't agree it's a slip in the Happy/Happy, it's still a great video clip.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on April 16, 2008, 11:08:20 AM
  Here's the link, but, of course, it's up to you whether you see him slipping, and saying how he really felt.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=123087&title=heath-ledger


Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: WintersGrass on April 16, 2008, 12:11:49 PM
  Here's the link, but, of course, it's up to you whether you see him slipping, and saying how he really felt.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=123087&title=heath-ledger




Thanks for the link Tony!

I don't doubt that Heath suffered depression and had a problem with drugs (whether legal or not). But I think the BED vid is a beautiful way to try do deal with it. I am convinced that he did it just for himself (reganrding how obsessed he was with Nich Drake) and didn't expect people to help him, and maybe didn't even want them to....*sigh*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 16, 2008, 12:27:38 PM
When he was in a Knight's Tale he was already suffering from panic attacks and anxiety, which appear to have worsened with the increased attention and darker roles over the years but that does not necessarily point to a cry for help or being suicidal. Some people are just prone to anxiety and depression and each case is different. Some people cry for help, others don't. Some are drawn to darkness but not swallowed up by it. Sometimes a single moment can push you over the edge. I have chosen to believe that for him it was an accident, a combination or factors which wouldn't have had the same affect any other time. Who will ever know for sure.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: ellye on April 16, 2008, 12:52:48 PM


Monster's Ball is NOT my favorite movie.   Heath did a great job but he is barely in the movie for 30 mins and even though his performance got him noticed by Ang and the director of Candy (they said it affected their decision to cast him in their movies)    I saw it once.  I can't stand BBT and I'm not a Halle Berry fan either  so I will not be watchng it again


Diana Ossana famously said when she saw Heath in MB she saw a young Ennis and of course she's absolutely right. He had the same 'closed in' face and body language in MB.

I never liked the sound of this film, either and I only bought it cos Heath was in it and I only watch his scenes. I've never seen beyond the first half hour.
Heath was brilliant in it. I remember BBT saying in the commentary you wouldn't think Heath was Australian, he got the accent perfectly. He also admired the fact in the bathroom scene Heath told him to really hit him and not pretend - so he did!
I'll always be grateful to Heath's 4 Feathers friend for not doing this film and asking Heath to take his place. We wouldn't have got to see the young Ennis pre BBM, then.  :)

Heath certainly gave his all in his films for the sake of realism. He gave himself a black eye in Candy, of course, in the shower scene ... something that was still visible in the final scene!

That was touching, the thing about when they filmed the miscarriage scene, he had to keep phoning Michelle to make sure she was alright,  because she was newly pregnant.

Another thing I liked from LOD was just seeing him at the beginning of film, surfing. At least we got to see him on film,  surfing and on his skateboard, two things he loved doing.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on April 16, 2008, 01:37:47 PM
    Dear Serendipity - am glad you seem to see depression and anxiety going all the way back.  And this may have been a function of that extreme shyness we have heard about (despite the many reports of his being surrounded by friends) and also issues of whether anybody really accepted him for himself rather than the "golden boy", gifted and charming and on his way to fame and fortune.  And you also referred to the dark roles.  He gave off differing information there, sometimes saying it was not a problem, other times saying some roles left him emotionally exhausted.
    Am in entire agreement, none of this amounts to being suicidal.  Where we don't agree (and please forgive me, because I love your sensitivity to all these questions) is on whether he made any cries for help.  The wording "cry for help" is too strong, and that is why I have preferred to use the term "signals".  We do know he was complex, at times.  And I do think he tested the waters, signalling that everyone had him wrong (and, again, am sorry, but this would include family and friends) and those signals were that he wanted to talk through the dark times when they hit.  But either no one got the signals, or he could never bring himself to risk bumming people out, as he so needed their love.
  But who knows?  Maybe some did.  Michelle Williams reportedly talked him through panic attacks.  And the mysterious "Nathan", who was around, protecting him months before the tragedy, may have been from his family (look up the family names).
  All I know is that most of this came out after his death, making the loss so much the worse, as these hurts he bore made him so much more like us, vulnerable, human, and doing the best he could.   Something seems to have accelerated, in the last month, and my own first warning were those pictures from London, where he looked incredibly sad and I spoke up, on another forum and got dished.  He had pnuemonia, for crying out loud.  But the fans wanted happy/happy, and only later would admit those photos were full of sadness and fatigue.
   Now, we know we tended to see what we wanted to see, and the remaining question would be - how bad was it?  I would hope for balance.  Admitting something was wrong, empathizing, but not wallowing in it all in a way that detracts from the true joy that was also there.  Serendipity, as best as I can tell, you do have that balance.  I'm working on it.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on April 16, 2008, 01:40:24 PM
I really like LOD too.  Wow I didn't know he gave himself the black eye in Candy (had wondered about that).  And I thought I was the only one who didn't want to see Monsters Ball a second time beyond Heath's role in the first half hour!

But going from living with his little daughter to not living with her must have been the hardest.  Seeing this video from the Daily Show made me feel tense and my protective instincts came to the fore.  Painful to watch.  Looks like nervous exhaustion to me.  And Russell Crowe hates travelling around promoting his movies too.  You know, you've finished something a year ago, let the public just accept or reject it; the last thing you'd like to be doing is going around trying to sell it.  
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 16, 2008, 01:46:09 PM
tony you're right. I think everyone deals with it differently. I have read that if you are serious about suicide, you never leave notes. And that if you cry for help you don't mean it. And that it is a selfish act. And that it is easy. Or hard. Depending on who you are talking to. A lot of people equate depression and anxiety with suicide. A lot of people don't know how to deal with depression in someone who can seem so happy for the rest of the time. They feel that 'it'll pass'. Or don't mention it at all. Or try to help but don't quite reach as deep as your darkness is. Myself I think I gave off signals but I was so lost that I didn't even realise I was giving them off, and neither did my friends and family, until it was too late.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 16, 2008, 02:57:35 PM
It was plainly obvious he was suffering in the latter part of 2007, that was the hardest to see.  I don't want to speculate about all the reasons why he was suffering, I really don't.  That sort of thing is so personal and private and it's none of my business.  But, just from what little I have read, he seemed to have wanted to get better and was trying to do as such.  I know that again is speculation, but I'll still believe he was doing just that.  This is just my opinion of course and that doesn't make your opinions any less valid - I read with great interest what you both said tony and Serendipity.  It's just that we will probably never know, you know?  It's just easier for me that way  :-\

I don't want the "happy happy" of Heath - that's not why I admired him.  I admired him for all of what and who he was - he seemed so real and humble and honest and so very true to the person he was.  I say "seemed" because I really don't know for sure of course, but that's how I saw him.  And that is good enough for me.  Like many have said, very very few people really knew him.   I dont' buy into the whole celebrity crap, I really don't.  But he was different, and I liked him more because of it, certainly not less. 
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on April 16, 2008, 03:29:02 PM
  Well, so far, everyone who has posted seems to be on the same page - no fraudulent cover-up that there were deep hurts and problems (especially since he was under medication for depression and anxiety attacks), and yet some balance.  Cazzyj, you are so very right in implying or saying (I can't remember which) that his personal privacy comes into play and also, there might be things we don't want to know.  After all, which of us could sustain probing through every aspect of our lives?
  But moomoo, am all warm and fuzzy that your response to the link I gave was to feel protective.  I believe some, outside the U.S., can't use the link, but those who can should look very closely at his fighting exhaustion, and also at sudden facial responses, that suggested he didn't really like the host, and didn't really like having to play the game.  Many times, if you take a video of Heath, and look much, much closer, you may well find the Heath we all too often missed.  There is no hurt to finding more there.  If anything, there is more proof our admiration and love were even more deserved than we knew.  Am done, but moomoo, you have really good insight to see what you did see.  I missed the depth of the exhaustion and you didn't.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 16, 2008, 03:33:56 PM
I've heard so much about this Daily Show video, and of course I can't watch it cuz apparently I'm so lowlife Canadian or something  >:(

I AM kidding of course ;) but would really like to be able to view this at some point.   :-\
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: royandronnie on April 16, 2008, 07:52:53 PM
   I believe some, outside the U.S., can't use the link, but those who can should look very closely at his fighting exhaustion, and also at sudden facial responses, that suggested he didn't really like the host, and didn't really like having to play the game. 

At that point in time, at least, Heath was way out of his weight class going head to head with Jon Stewart. It's a funny interview, really, but it quickly becomes obvious that Heath's style didn't mesh with Stewart's at all, and probably also he didn't like the playful jabs at WA. I wonder, seeing that four years later he's volunteering that he had "something else to give" during the takes of the Reunion kiss, whether he just wasn't used to joking around, then. Also, having seen him in another interview where the interviewer did all the talking, he did--I nearly said does--expect to be allowed to get a word in edgewise, and got a little buffaloed--understandably--when the interviewer never passed him the ball.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: magicmountain on April 17, 2008, 03:36:58 AM
Fancy having to deal with a complete creep like Jon whatisname when you're tired and just don't want to be there.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on April 17, 2008, 06:10:07 AM
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee142/fr2008/2001/2001_may_16_29.jpg)
The rest of caps, from here:
http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=29611.msg1266829#msg1266829

He didn't want to make it easy for JS. Frankly, I like it when JS has to sweat for earning his (easy) bread.
I don't think JS's show was known outside the U.S. at that time (2001).
Right now, for example, it is known abroad because "CNN World" began broadcasting it, "courtesy Comedy central".
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 17, 2008, 06:31:30 AM
In 2003 when Heath was interviewed at length here in Australia, I was watching his nervousness and clear discomfort and then realised he was the same age as my youngest son. IOW just a boy. I'm not saying that he should be ignored when he says he's lonely and depressed in 2001 but just remember he is a kid who hates doing this stuff, gets very nervous, and, frankly, never did get into the glossy Hollywood way of doing interviews where you talk much and say little.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on April 17, 2008, 08:45:56 AM
The Jon Stewart interview corresponds roughly, I think, to the time when Heath decided he had to "take the blonde out of his career."  So he was aware that Knight's Tale was not what he wanted to be doing and in having to promote something he knew was not great he felt a loss of dignity/identity, loss of freedom and sense of purpose.  Heath felt alienated in this interview and even may have felt that at some points the audience/Jon was not laughing with him but at him.  This coupled with being tired and naturally shying away from the P.R. thing of the acting business. 
That's it on this subject, I'm aware that I'm indulging in armchair psychology.  Can't and don't want to read anything more into it, pretending I can connect the dots. 

A Joker, He Was Warned ("Heath Ledger, I'm a warna ye") Scenario:

DK Grip: "Heath even ate and went to the bathroom as the Joker."
DK Costume assistant: "Heath went to bed as the Joker and brought his dirty sheets from all that make-up to the set for us to wash."
Dr. Parnassus Lighting Assistant: "Heath came to the set as the Joker on the first day and Terry warned him."
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 17, 2008, 09:40:34 AM
A Joker, He Was Warned ("Heath Ledger, I'm a warna ye") Scenario:

DK Grip: "Heath even ate and went to the bathroom as the Joker."
DK Costume assistant: "Heath went to bed as the Joker and brought his dirty sheets from all that make-up to the set for us to wash."
Dr. Parnassus Lighting Assistant: "Heath came to the set as the Joker on the first day and Terry warned him."

 :'( :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: summerdreams on April 17, 2008, 10:19:30 AM

A Joker, He Was Warned ("Heath Ledger, I'm a warna ye") Scenario:

DK Grip: "Heath even ate and went to the bathroom as the Joker."
DK Costume assistant: "Heath went to bed as the Joker and brought his dirty sheets from all that make-up to the set for us to wash."
Dr. Parnassus Lighting Assistant: "Heath came to the set as the Joker on the first day and Terry warned him."

IMHO we shouldn't believe everything we read.  ::)

ETA I know I've learned my lesson especially for the past 3 months. Remember all the crap we’ve read about him?!   :-X
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: KittyHawk on April 17, 2008, 04:50:18 PM
Hey, Heathens, have you all seen our new thread?

It's Support Adam's Great Walk to Beijing in Memory of Heath (http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=29792.0)

I hope you're interested in supporting this cause. If you have questions, let me know or better yet, ask Adam's friend, Neil, who is a new member of the Forum and posting in the new thread. His screen name is adaminchina.

- KittyHawk
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on April 17, 2008, 07:33:04 PM
"I just happened to be watching the news, and it was the first station that reported it. So I heard right away," Haynes recalls. "It was shattering and inexplicable, unbelievable, wrong. 'Why? Why?' For days, as everyone does when you know somebody who dies, you think they're going to call and there's a mirage. And then a few days went by. Then his manager asked me to speak at his memorial in L.A., and you realize that all the feelings you had for a special artist you worked with were somehow felt by them, and that's why they're calling you now. I think death makes everybody feel really alone. I was just so moved that I was being asked to do that. It's been heartbreaking."
Ledger's character in the film is one of the more tragic, being a fictional glimpse of Dylan's 1977 divorce from his wife Sara. (...)

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/features/arts/20080418TDY12001.htm
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: cazzyj on April 17, 2008, 07:34:47 PM
"I just happened to be watching the news, and it was the first station that reported it. So I heard right away," Haynes recalls. "It was shattering and inexplicable, unbelievable, wrong. 'Why? Why?' For days, as everyone does when you know somebody who dies, you think they're going to call and there's a mirage. And then a few days went by. Then his manager asked me to speak at his memorial in L.A., and you realize that all the feelings you had for a special artist you worked with were somehow felt by them, and that's why they're calling you now. I think death makes everybody feel really alone. I was just so moved that I was being asked to do that. It's been heartbreaking."
Ledger's character in the film is one of the more tragic, being a fictional glimpse of Dylan's 1977 divorce from his wife Sara. (...)

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/features/arts/20080418TDY12001.htm

Thanks for this article Frunner!  Little by little we are going to be hearing such things...so heartbreaking.  :-\ :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: freetraveller on April 18, 2008, 11:57:39 AM
I've just watched this interview with Heath from 2002:
http://video.nbc4.com/player/?id=207937 (http://video.nbc4.com/player/?id=207937)

I loved when he paid tribute to his parents... they left my soul and spirit untouched...  :-*
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: moomoo on April 18, 2008, 12:07:19 PM
Amazing.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on April 18, 2008, 01:37:48 PM
aww bless him!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: brokebacktom on April 18, 2008, 02:15:33 PM
I've just watched this interview with Heath from 2002:
http://video.nbc4.com/player/?id=207937 (http://video.nbc4.com/player/?id=207937)

I loved when he paid tribute to his parents... they left my soul and spirit untouched...  :-*


Boy was he nervous. Cute!!  I miss him.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Melby on April 18, 2008, 03:49:36 PM
THX for this video link!

God, what a doll!
I love what he said about his parents..what was quoted above..and the bit about love & confidence.
Love that he speaks right up and gives his opinion about his move, his character...doesn't necessarily agree w/ the interviewer.
Love the little shy thing he did w/ his mouth at the end!
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: freetraveller on April 18, 2008, 04:58:14 PM
I know what your're saying, Melby.
He had this unique ability to say the most profound things, almost in an "off-hand" sort of way, without drawing attention to himself.  :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 18, 2008, 05:11:17 PM
He was always very truthful, very open to the world, which is partly how he could produce such stunning performances. To play Ennis and Sonny and even Dan, you have to bare your soul. Not many actors can do that. I get the impression he didn't know how to put a big barrier between himself and everybody else. If you asked, he gave (usually - paps not included  ;)) And it seems that he gave even if you didn't ask.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on April 18, 2008, 05:45:51 PM
(...) you have to bare your soul. Not many actors can do that. I get the impression he didn't know how to put a big barrier between himself and everybody else. (...)
About some necessary barriers...
I wish he had them in place, or someone to take care of them.

The billiard pool scene, in "10 Things"... that look of vulnerability... that's what hooked me in the first place.
It was incredible for such a sight to even happen in a "teen" (read: unserious) movie,
I couldn't believe my eyes how earnest he played it. I remember stopping, taking notice, "how old is this guy" ?!
 
(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee142/fr2008/2002/int2002_1.jpg)
(Thanks for the video link.)
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Ministering angel on April 18, 2008, 06:28:13 PM
In Two Hands there's that vulnerability too. The scene in the train got to me. Damn it. :'( :'(
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: lauren on April 19, 2008, 06:39:21 AM
In Two Hands there's that vulnerability too. The scene in the train got to me. Damn it. :'( :'(

I loved Heath in Two Hands, and it was a good film. The opening scene, when he's being dragged off by the bad guys, and his reaction to their interrogation: he plays that so well.
I love a Knight's Talel--it got fairly good reviews. It had a lot of energy. The first time I saw it, and saw the scene
where Heath's character meets his father, I thought Heath was so moving. In this light-hearted film, suddenly there is depth
in this small scene. It was almost as if it was from a different film. But you saw what Heath was capable of, the depth of emotion,
how he transports the audience into a character's feelings and the heart of a moment.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Queen_Beruthiel on April 19, 2008, 06:56:06 AM
Outstanding

BBM

Mediocre, but with good work by Heath

Candy
Brothers Grimm
Lords of Dogtown
Monster's Ball

Mediocre films/uninteresting performances

Knight's Tale
Ten Things
Ned Kelly
Four Feathers

Unwatchable

The Order

Haven't seen the others yet.

Some of the meh! films had potential. but were poorly executed.  A romcom depends to a great extent on the lead actress, and Julia Stiles is lifeless in everything.  She has neither the charm of Julia Roberts or the skill of Witherspoon.  Heath is ... pleasant, but the film is very clunky.  KT is too cheesy for me.  As for NK and TFF - least said.  Brian Helgeland is lucky to have got work every again after The Order.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on April 19, 2008, 08:22:45 AM
i love '10 things' i think  julia is ok its just heath is so good that it really shows her up, you've got to be an excellent actress or actor to star opposite heath and pull it off and i think the only 2 people that have done that are jake and michelle (abbie cornish was really good opposite heath too, but not quite as good as michelle and jake)
but '10 things' is an ok film for what it 'a teen romantic comedy' and heath makes it alot easier and nicer to watch
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Serendipity on April 19, 2008, 08:31:58 AM
I love the outtakes at the end of 10 things where Heath jumps Julia unexpectedly and then has a laughing fit afterwards. So natural and that laugh was so beautiful - he looked and sounded really happy.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on April 19, 2008, 08:36:49 AM
yeah i know i looked like he had a great time making that film and i can't get over how young he looked (well he was young) but he changed so much from that film to BBM he was almost like a diferent person and '10 things' will always be special for me cos that the first thing i saw heath in, i was 14 and now i know how talented he was but back then me and my friends just fancied him rotten
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: tonydude on April 19, 2008, 12:12:31 PM
   Really liked Queen_Beruthiel's ratings on Heath's movies, especially putting "The Order" in its own category as "Unwatchable".  I saw this one on DVD soon after BBM and was somewhat shaken, as it is one of those weird little films pandering to people's interest in the occult.  Heath supposedly was careful in his choice of roles, and this was a great disappointment as it was a shallow venture into spiritual darkness.  The premise was that there were some sins the Church could not forgive, so there were "sin-eaters", who saved souls by another formula.  Heath's character was a priest who was lured by the last remaining sin-eater into taking over as the next one.  I really was uneasy about Heath Ledger getting himself into a film that had, well.... spiritually unhealthy overtones.  Parts were casually tossing out sub-themes on demonic, uh, issues.
  This was not darkness, like the role of the Joker, played as an archetype of a criminal mind.  This was a venture into queasy, cult-like, darkness.  Even so, once again, it was in some ways a preparation for BBM, in that, as in "A Knight's Tale", there was a grieving scene (very well-done in AKT, very badly done, in "The Order") that eventually led to the triumphant acting we saw as Ennis found the shirts.
  In fairness to Heath, although this has to be his worst movie, he carried his role probably better than anyone else could have done.  I just think this is another example of duality in Heath.
Yes, he usually chose his films carefully.  No, I can't believe he wanted to do this one.  More like, the grocery bills had to be paid.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: divina on April 19, 2008, 12:34:27 PM
Interesting list QB. Here are my thoughts on Heath's films:

BBM - outstanding, unbelievable, miraculous.

Casanova -  Heath is wonderful in it and the film is beautiful and entertaining. Light but very enjoyable (second favourite Heath film after BBM)

10 Things - I found this film funny and quirky and surprised myself by enjoying it.

MB - Thought Heath's acting was outstanding, but once he was gone from the film I lost interest.

Knight's Tale - Thought Heath's performance was also good, although its not the type of film I'm very interested in. Fun but a bit light for my taste.

Candy, Lord's of Dogtown, and Four Feathers - Didn't care for but enjoyed Heath's performance

Ned Kelly - Haven't seen

The Order - Couldn't get through

Brother's Grim - Hated it so turned it off about half way through

Looking forward to seeing IMT, DK, and Imaginarium.

Outstanding

BBM

Mediocre, but with good work by Heath

Candy
Brothers Grimm
Lords of Dogtown
Monster's Ball

Mediocre films/uninteresting performances

Knight's Tale
Ten Things
Ned Kelly
Four Feathers

Unwatchable

The Order

Haven't seen the others yet.

Some of the meh! films had potential. but were poorly executed.  A romcom depends to a great extent on the lead actress, and Julia Stiles is lifeless in everything.  She has neither the charm of Julia Roberts or the skill of Witherspoon.  Heath is ... pleasant, but the film is very clunky.  KT is too cheesy for me.  As for NK and TFF - least said.  Brian Helgeland is lucky to have got work every again after The Order.

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: CANSTANDIT on April 19, 2008, 12:54:35 PM
Outstanding

BBM

Mediocre, but with good work by Heath

Candy
Brothers Grimm
Lords of Dogtown
Monster's Ball

Mediocre films/uninteresting performances

Knight's Tale
Ten Things
Ned Kelly
Four Feathers

Unwatchable

The Order

Haven't seen the others yet.

Some of the meh! films had potential. but were poorly executed.  A romcom depends to a great extent on the lead actress, and Julia Stiles is lifeless in everything.  She has neither the charm of Julia Roberts or the skill of Witherspoon.  Heath is ... pleasant, but the film is very clunky.  KT is too cheesy for me.  As for NK and TFF - least said.  Brian Helgeland is lucky to have got work every again after The Order.

Queen, I agree with pretty much all of your assessments, at great risk to my personal safety with other Heathens perhaps-except for "Lords of Dogtown"-I just loved that movie.

I have not seen Ned Kelly, shame on me, and not sure I want to since Heath's demise..oh and not a big fan of 10 thiings, either, but I do think Julia Stiles' work was good in it, and Heath was at least charismatic.
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on April 19, 2008, 03:15:12 PM
In November, 2004, she (Naomi Watts) placed on record that the couple's age difference played no part in their relationship ending:
"I think it's about life experience and not about age.
I fell in love with a soul and a person and his life experience was rich enough that it stimulated me.
I have nothing but good things to say about my romance with Heath Ledger.
We loved each other.
I'm close with his family; he's close with mine.
He is a friend and we'll always remain in contact."

Heath Ledger: His Beautiful Life and Mysterious Death, published by John Blake on April 21, 2008, distributed by Bookwise International.
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23564492-5007191,00.html
Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: Marz on April 19, 2008, 03:19:08 PM
aww thats sweet of her, apparently she burst into tears when she found out about his death and cancelled all her engagements for that week cos she was in such shock
i will always think of michelle and heath as soulmates but it shows he was good to his ex's cos they all were respectful about him even when they broke up

Title: Re: Let's Get Serious About Heath
Post by: frunner on April 19, 2008, 03:25:58 PM
Loves of Heath Ledger's life    April 20, 2008 12:00am    Article from Sunday Mail

IN the first book since Heath Ledger's death, Fleet Street's John McShane looks at the actor's legacy. In this extract, he examines Ledger's relationships.

THE OLDER WOMAN: NAOMI WATTS
THE couple strolled hand-in-hand at the Hollywood Film Festival gala, where Naomi received a breakthrough award. And after The Ring premiere, the two were spotted kissing passionately back at the Chateau Marmont, the hotel of the stars in Hollywood.

Heath was, as always, unforthcoming when asked about his relationship with Naomi, replying: "It's one thing to be romantic when it comes to love, but we need romance in our soul in a broader sense." He was also to say, "I still have so much to do it would be unfair to commit to marriage."

Naomi, too, was still reluctant to talk about the relationship. "I don't want to be rude or anything," she told one questioner, "it's just so new and it's our own delicate, beautiful thing and that's all I'm going to say. We're discovering what it is."

At least she was more forthcoming when she added, "There was a time I was very much blaming the way I felt on LA, that it was a vacuum of creativity, of humour or anything organic, and I was really angry at the place. But then today I feel completely different – I love LA," adding, "You could say that my overnight (success) has taken a long, long time."

No wonder she was now able to state, "In the last year I haven't had to audition for anything and to me that's the meaning of success."

It wasn't just the film world that the two had in common. In early 2003 they took part in a demonstration in Melbourne over the American attack on Iraq. In a television interview, Heath vigorously defended his stance and admitted his very public opposition to the war might no