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Re: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #60 on: January 14, 2006, 09:14:52 PM »
I wonder if they cuddle that night after the guns go off?

I prefer to think they do (even though I don't really think the film confirms this) - mostly based on my read of the story:

Ennis woke in red dawn with his pants around his knees, a top-grade headache, and Jack butted against him; without saying anything about it both knew how it would go for the rest of the summer, sheep be damned.


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Re: Scene: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #61 on: January 14, 2006, 09:29:45 PM »
Oh, and that reminds me, this may have been brought up, but...

I noticed the expressions on Jack's face before and after.... when Ennis first joins him in the bedroll, there is a faintly hungry, possibly calculated look, like, "oh s*t, what do I do now?". Then, the next morning, we see Jack sleeping with a noticeably blissful look on his face... anyone else see this?

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Re: Scene: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #62 on: January 14, 2006, 11:18:15 PM »
Oh, and that reminds me, this may have been brought up, but...

I noticed the expressions on Jack's face before and after.... when Ennis first joins him in the bedroll, there is a faintly hungry, possibly calculated look, like, "oh s*t, what do I do now?". Then, the next morning, we see Jack sleeping with a noticeably blissful look on his face... anyone else see this?

I didn't actively notice the looks on Jack's face, but he's definitely resting more comfortably than he was the night before....
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Re: Scene: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #63 on: January 15, 2006, 09:08:17 AM »
What does everyone think  about the hand grab...? is it purely sexual on Jacks part?..is it a sleepy unconscious reach for warmth?... a half-sleep reach?...the book gives no reason...maybe it doesn't need it...it doesn't seem thought out at all...

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Re: Scene: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #64 on: January 15, 2006, 09:31:43 AM »
What does everyone think  about the hand grab...? is it purely sexual on Jacks part?..is it a sleepy unconscious reach for warmth?... a half-sleep reach?...the book gives no reason...maybe it doesn't need it...it doesn't seem thought out at all...

Todd

Oh I think the book does give a reason and certainly it is sexual, in that they've gotten pretty close sharing the bedroll, which is not as clear in the film:
"Jesus Christ, quit hammerin and get over here. Bedroll's big enough," said Jack in an irritable sleep-clogged voice. It was big enough, warm enough, and in a little while they deepened their intimacy considerably
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Re: Scene: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #65 on: January 15, 2006, 09:47:45 AM »
What does everyone think  about the hand grab...? is it purely sexual on Jacks part?..is it a sleepy unconscious reach for warmth?... a half-sleep reach?...the book gives no reason...maybe it doesn't need it...it doesn't seem thought out at all...

Todd

Oh I think the book does give a reason and certainly it is sexual, in that they've gotten pretty close sharing the bedroll, which is not as clear in the film:
"Jesus Christ, quit hammerin and get over here. Bedroll's big enough," said Jack in an irritable sleep-clogged voice. It was big enough, warm enough, and in a little while they deepened their intimacy considerably

Yeah...in the movie it seems unconscious and groggy...which is ok...
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Re: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #66 on: January 15, 2006, 10:26:15 AM »
You know, I am not sure I could imagine these two characters in their circumstances doing this any other way the first time. That first night they have to express themselves in a way that will allow them to excuse themselves in the morning (many men have gay sex the first time under the cover of being drunk and cannot allow themselves much, if any, tenderness).

The second night was the time for tenderness, for exploring an unspoken hunger and need. The first night was just to get it out there.

Amen.  Sometimes you just have to get started, and why not get the hard part over first and then there will be time for tenderness, having exposed yourself and revealed your feelings completely in a way that cannot be later denied. 

Also, I've read posts that said both Jack and Ennis were virgins.  Interesting.  I had the feeling that Jack had been around the block before, and maybe he was more prepared for the roughness and the "ouch factor" than we think.  The "ouch" might still be there, but maybe it wasn't a shock.

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Re: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #67 on: January 15, 2006, 10:57:43 AM »
You know, I am not sure I could imagine these two characters in their circumstances doing this any other way the first time. That first night they have to express themselves in a way that will allow them to excuse themselves in the morning (many men have gay sex the first time under the cover of being drunk and cannot allow themselves much, if any, tenderness).

The second night was the time for tenderness, for exploring an unspoken hunger and need. The first night was just to get it out there.

Amen.  Sometimes you just have to get started, and why not get the hard part over first and then there will be time for tenderness, having exposed yourself and revealed your feelings completely in a way that cannot be later denied. 

Also, I've read posts that said both Jack and Ennis were virgins.  Interesting.  I had the feeling that Jack had been around the block before, and maybe he was more prepared for the roughness and the "ouch factor" than we think.  The "ouch" might still be there, but maybe it wasn't a shock.


I think Jack had definitely experimented before either by himself or with another young man, maybe even the previous years co-worker. Which is why he spies Ennis so hard at the beginning. I don't think he was overly experienced however possibly mostly just masturbating about men, or anal probing while washing. More common among straight men then first led to believe.

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Re: Scene: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2006, 11:04:37 AM »
What does everyone think  about the hand grab...? is it purely sexual on Jacks part?..is it a sleepy unconscious reach for warmth?... a half-sleep reach?...the book gives no reason...maybe it doesn't need it...it doesn't seem thought out at all...

Todd

Oh I think the book does give a reason and certainly it is sexual, in that they've gotten pretty close sharing the bedroll, which is not as clear in the film:
"Jesus Christ, quit hammerin and get over here. Bedroll's big enough," said Jack in an irritable sleep-clogged voice. It was big enough, warm enough, and in a little while they deepened their intimacy considerably

Yeah...in the movie it seems unconscious and groggy...which is ok...

Ok i'm gonna be a bit um... open here. Having had many a sleep overs as a young man I remember sleeping in the same bed with close friends. In one instance my friend had believed me to be asleep as they gently played with my penis. i was a little in shock, but we were very close and was very curious so i let it happen. In another instance, i felt on my sleeping friends body as he slept ( or so i belived ) nothing sexual however ( do not insert porno scenes). So i think it was more of a blind hope that he would be too drunk to remember, or too drunk to care. But i think the most Jack thought he was getting was a reach around. Shoot i think Jack would have been satisfied with a kiss at that point. But since Ennis hormones began pumping too, there was no turning back once he got the OK from ennis not bludgeoning him or trying to leave the tent.

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Re: Scene: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2006, 03:18:20 PM »
I hope this hasn't been discussed elsewhere, but every time I hear the song "The Devils' Right Hand" from the soundtrack, I think that it has to have been chosen for Jack using his right hand to pull Ennis' hand down his pants. In the book it was the left hand, so the change in the movie (I think) was on purpose.
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Re: Scene: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2006, 03:32:13 PM »
What does everyone think  about the hand grab...? is it purely sexual on Jacks part?..is it a sleepy unconscious reach for warmth?... a half-sleep reach?...the book gives no reason...maybe it doesn't need it...it doesn't seem thought out at all...

Todd

Possibly woke up in the middle of the night, after sobering up a little, "piss-hard" and horny.  The only thing around is Ennis.  Hence the hand grab....it could have been more calculating - what's he got to lose?  but I really do think it's that unconscious wrapping up in the nearest warm body.

There's enough old jokes and cliche about it - it could have easily been a sheep...
"And when he shall die,
Take him and cut him out in little stars,
And he will make the face of heaven so fine
That all the world will be in love with night."
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Re: Scene: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #71 on: January 15, 2006, 04:14:54 PM »
Oh, and that reminds me, this may have been brought up, but...

I noticed the expressions on Jack's face before and after.... when Ennis first joins him in the bedroll, there is a faintly hungry, possibly calculated look, like, "oh s*t, what do I do now?". Then, the next morning, we see Jack sleeping with a noticeably blissful look on his face... anyone else see this?

Yep, definitely a blissful look.... like he's downright pleased with himself.  :)

I'm also wondering.... when Jack gets up and comes out of the tent that morning, did it seem as though he was a little er, sore, when he stood up and started to walk? Or is that just my imagination (am I projecting?, LOL).

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Re: Scene: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #72 on: January 15, 2006, 04:51:16 PM »

did it seem as though he was a little er, sore, when he stood up and started to walk? Or is that just my imagination (am I projecting?, LOL).

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I thought that, and my past experience says that it's very likely true!
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Re: Scene: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #73 on: January 15, 2006, 04:57:49 PM »

did it seem as though he was a little ER, sore, when he stood up and started to walk? Or is that just my imagination (am I projecting?, LIL).

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I thought that, and my past experience says that it's very likely true!

I cant imagine that the boy wouldn't be feeling a little pain after the glow wears off...does anyone think that Ennis "received" the second night?...he pulls Jack on top of him as if to say "here I am...I'm ready for anything now, theres no going back..."

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Re: Scene: First Night in the Tent
« Reply #74 on: January 15, 2006, 05:05:05 PM »
...does anyone think that Ennis "received" the second night?...he pulls Jack on top of him as if to say "here I am...I'm ready for anything now, theres no going back..."

Todd
Yep, I think he was there for his buddy. In any case, Ennis bottomed in the hotel according to the short story.