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What period of gay history would you like to discuss first?

The fifties and sixties - before Stonewall
9 (50%)
Early Gay Liberation 1969 - 1975
2 (11.1%)
Political awakening 1975 - 1981
0 (0%)
The onset of AIDS 1981 - 1996
6 (33.3%)
Post Protease Inhibitors 1996 - Present
1 (5.6%)

Total Members Voted: 15

Voting closed: February 24, 2007, 01:59:08 AM

Author Topic: Gay History -- How We Got Here  (Read 310995 times)

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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2007, 04:52:02 PM »
I'm going to find the time to participate here (after all, I DID live in Casper, WY, in 1958!!)

Here's one of my most want to know abouts:  Where is there a definitive article, book or documentary about gay life in Germany (Berlin mostly) before WWII??

Thanks, Michael!!   :-*
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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2007, 04:57:10 PM »
I feel obliged to remind you that gay history is international.

Thank you and I agree (in fact said as much earlier).  I do hope you'll stick around and continue to comment on this (and I hope that folks from the Netherlands, Australia, Canada, Italy, etc. will as well).

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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2007, 04:58:38 PM »
I'm going to find the time to participate here (after all, I DID live in Casper, WY, in 1958!!)

Here's one of my most want to know abouts:  Where is there a definitive article, book or documentary about gay life in Germany (Berlin mostly) before WWII??

Thanks, Michael!!   :-*

Great to hear from you Steve!  I'll look around for books on Germany before WWII and let you know what I come up with.

 :-*

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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2007, 05:00:28 PM »
Michael:

This is fantastic!  I was so excited to see this thread open up after we discussed it at the Solstice Bash.  Thank you for this.

Love, Mag

You bet Maggie!  Glad to see you here!

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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2007, 05:25:25 PM »
Well, I voted to begin at the begining.  Not sure how much I can add, but it would be interesting to learn from.

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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2007, 07:44:32 PM »
I was thinking the same thing -- begin at the beginning.  That's how they usually present history classes, and it makes things so much easier to follow, rather than jumping backing and forth.  (But I hope you keep going and get around to all the areas and time periods; they all sound interesting.)
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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2007, 09:26:55 PM »
I was thinking the same thing -- begin at the beginning.  That's how they usually present history classes, and it makes things so much easier to follow, rather than jumping backing and forth.  (But I hope you keep going and get around to all the areas and time periods; they all sound interesting.)

Well...here's the problem with 'begin at the beginning' - if we are looking for personal experience, I don't know that we have that many people on the list who were alive and active in the 50s and 60s.  If we're looking for people to share their stories, I don't know that we'll get that many.

On the other hand, we will have lots of other sources that we can find about this, I'm sure!

Of course, the fifties are not really the beginning - it's the start of the modern gay movement.  But like the program on Independent Lens on Billy Strayhorn showed earlier this week, there were lots of gay people around before the fifties.

BTW, if you get a chance to watch it the Strayhorn documentary is great:

http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/billystrayhorn/
« Last Edit: February 15, 2007, 12:21:57 AM by michaelflanagansf »
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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2007, 12:23:17 AM »
Here's a history related request!  If you are interested, please go vote over in the poll in the book club thread:

http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=8585.0

This is our first non-fiction poll and all of the books are gay history related.
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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2007, 09:36:27 AM »
Thanks so much Michael for starting this thread and for thinking about it when we were having our discussions about it while I was in SF. As I said then, I know a little of the story, but not nearly as much as I would like.
This will give me the opportunity to do so!
And I see that I have a lot of reading ahead of me.

Thanks so much for your links and the links of others who have already shared here.
I look forward to  wonderful, rewarding hours of reading and learning!

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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2007, 04:45:51 PM »
I know we're not discussing this yet, but I did want to point out the S.F. Chronicle's wonderful series 'AIDS at 25':

http://www.sfgate.com/aidsat25/
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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2007, 01:35:21 PM »
A special request to history fans!  Please go vote in the most recent book poll - all of the books there are related to gay history:

http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=8585.0

Thank you!

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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2007, 04:33:04 PM »
Well, I voted to begin at the begining.  Not sure how much I can add, but it would be interesting to learn from.
thanks chuck.  so did i, because i lived through a great deal of it.  i have often and verbally regretted a lack of curiosity from the generations that have followed.  just hearing the names mattachine and one tok me back to the futile search for information and community.  finding porn was an adventure, but not anywhere near as daunting as making non-sexual connections, at least where i lived.

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ps:  i think you will fid a good deal more personal information here than you anticipate, michael.  it might prove profitable, despite its current dormancy to post this at the gay and gray thread.

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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2007, 06:16:13 PM »
I'm looking foward to this topic. THANKS, Mike

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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2007, 06:27:05 PM »
I'm looking foward to this topic. THANKS, Mike

You bet Tom!  I'm hoping Jack's right and we'll get lots of people in here commenting.  I just barely was aware of things before Stonewall.  Interestingly enough the Advocate was printing for about a year before Stonewall and the Metropolitan Community Church had existed before that - so I may be able to glean some information there.

There's also a good video I can recommend entitled (not surprisingly) 'Before Stonewall':

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088782/

And I know some people who were involved in the riot at the Compton's Cafe here in town (there is a documentary entitled 'Screaming Queens: The Riot at Compton's Cafe' which KQED had on a few years ago - sadly no dvd yet).    Maybe I can get an interview for the thread.
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Re: Gay History -- How We Got Here
« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2007, 07:19:01 PM »
My involvement only goes back to the Bicentennial, becoming a member of with Dignity and stuff like that. And after getting together with my ex (met him through Dignity), partaking in various motorcycle and leather runs in the East Coast area between here and Fire Island. Otherwise, pretty whitebread stuff.

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