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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #105 on: February 23, 2006, 06:34:58 PM »
pseudonym: is a fictitious name assumed, esp. by a writer, as for anonymity, for effect, etc. (Webster's New World)

Of course there are degrees to the degree of anonymity anyone might want or care about. I guess Rice doesn't care, or she doesn't care now, anyway. Some people have wanted various degrees of anonymity for various reasons. For Pessoa, it was a different situation entirely, he was already obscure, he didn't need anonymity. He thought these "heteronyms" were other people with separate lives. They were sort of his imaginary literary friends (although they tended to dislike each other, and give negative reviews of each other's works). And they write very different poetry. He also wrote poetry in his own voice as well.  It's as if he's the Portuguese T.S. Eliot, Ezra Pound, William Carlos Williams and Wallace Stevens (and more) all wrapped into one person. He's really become the most important figure in Portuguese literature (Camoes, please forgive me!).

And yes, you got it about the premise of the novel, Reis is a separate human being who lives on. Of course he is grief stricken, he has lost his dear friend and correspondent. It's really sad.

Pessoa being queer and all, I sort of get the feeling that he was sort of inventing imaginary boyfriends for himself, or at least inventing his own little gay literary community. I don't know if anyone has analyzed the relationship between the heteronyms from this point of view. 

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #106 on: February 23, 2006, 06:39:03 PM »
and by the way "pessoa" means both "person" and "persona" in Portuguese.

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #107 on: February 23, 2006, 06:45:59 PM »
a good discussion of the whole thing:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/9/11/15138/9002

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #108 on: February 23, 2006, 11:09:55 PM »
pseudonym: is a fictitious name assumed, esp. by a writer, as for anonymity, for effect, etc. (Webster's New World)

i may go to nitpicker purgatory for this but . . .

i read that definition to say pseudonym does not suggest anonymity. it suggests too possible reasons and then says etc., suggesting others. anonymity is one possible reason a writer may use it -- and surely the most common -- but the term applies with or without it. at least that's my read.

my dictionary didn't even list it:

pseudonym (sˇd´n-îm´) noun
Abbr. pseud.
A fictitious name assumed by an author; a pen name.
[French pseudonyme, from Greek pseudonumon, neuter of pseudonumos, falsely named : pseudęs, false. See PSEUDO- + onuma, name.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from InfoSoft International, Inc. All rights reserved.

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i'm not sure about ann rice, but the understanding i had gotten was that she was never trying to stay anonymous, but writes very different styles for very different audiences, and wants to keep them distinct. e.g., she doesn't want someone seeing one of her porn books, thinking it's the new ann rice novel and getting shocked. but i think it goes beyond that, to identities, somewhere along the lines of Pessoa.

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #109 on: February 23, 2006, 11:14:02 PM »
a good discussion of the whole thing:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/9/11/15138/9002


wow. thanks for that link. very interesting. i can't believe it went on 50 years after his death. kind of hysterical that he fooled the world that well.

hey, i wonder if I should try that!

i have never heard the term heteronym used for this, though. is this in common usage in the U.S.?

here's the definition in my dictionary--not even close:

heteronym (hčt´er-e-nîm´) noun
One of two or more words that have identical spellings but different meanings and pronunciations, such as row (a series of objects arranged in a line), pronounced (ro), and row (a fight), pronounced (rou).
[Back-formation from HETERONYMOUS.]

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from InfoSoft International, Inc. All rights reserved.

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #110 on: February 23, 2006, 11:28:46 PM »
maybe we should all send him/her a welcoming, PM, too.

i'm not sure how to do that. if i post the profile for a member, say, meli, can you all see her profile, and send a PM from there?

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4

(i know i can, but it's the old problem of having special rights (you homos are ALWAYS wanting Special Rights!--hehehe) to go anywhere in the system. sometimes i don't know if you guys can see all the same things i can see.)

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Re: My, My, NARCISSUS AND GOLDMUND...
« Reply #111 on: February 24, 2006, 12:07:33 AM »
Hi, BigEd!

Hi jpq716!

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But all of this was almost four decades ago in my life, BigEd, and as Goldmund comes to realize in the end, all things must pass. The happier time in which I first read Narcissus and Goldmund has long since passed away in its turn, and I myself am close to becoming an old man now, just like Narcissus was at the end of the novel. Oh my, it must be at least twenty-five years since I last read this book! I am almost scared to open it again. Too many heart-memories there, you know… A couple of years ago, I did re-read The Glass Bead-Game, which, frankly, confused me a little in 1969, and now it is one of my favorite novels. I can see now what I could not see then --- why Hesse won the Nobel Prize for Literature in 1946 for that novel and not for any of his others --- but still it’s a damn shame that I had to purchase my insight into this work with the naiveté and passion of my youth! But that’s just the way it is, BigEd. Hesse stressed this point all the time in all of his works. Which is why, in the end, he is not a novelist for kids. Oh no, not at all…

Old, shmold!! The price of insight is age, its the only currency thats accepted. Many great writers have said it before and said it so many ways; naivete and innonence are appealing, but don't look too deep because they're an impotent pair. Their appeal is mere appearance.

I'm also surprised that this was never made into a movie. And you're right, Ang would be great for it, but he will need a screenplay. Hmmm....there was a lot of passionate writing in the paragraphs I deleted...feel like writing a screenplay jpq716  ;)
 
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Thanks for the memories that awakened within me today when I read your post. It’s so nice to see that truly great works of art are never really forgotten, although they sometimes appear to be. And it really made me smile to know that somebody else out there is rediscovering one of the most powerful novels that I have ever read, all those years ago. Happy reading, BigEd… :D :D :D

My pleasure jpq716, and thank-you for reminding me that I need to also re-read The Glass Bead Game. I didn't enjoy it when I first read it. But I just turned 50 (two weeks after seeing a pre-release screening of BBM - I initially felt like I'd been kicked in the crotch and then punched in the head - but I know better now!) and I'm hoping that I have enough 'insight' to really appreciate it this time :D
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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #112 on: February 24, 2006, 12:28:20 AM »

i'm not sure how to do that. if i post the profile for a member, say, meli, can you all see her profile, and send a PM from there?

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4

(i know i can, but it's the old problem of having special rights (you homos are ALWAYS wanting Special Rights!--hehehe) to go anywhere in the system. sometimes i don't know if you guys can see all the same things i can see.)

Dave: I accessed Meli's profile from your post and could have sent her a PM from there.
And thanks for this site - I love it!

Cheers,
Ed
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Re: My, My, NARCISSUS AND GOLDMUND...
« Reply #113 on: February 24, 2006, 12:39:58 AM »
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My pleasure jpq716, and thank-you for reminding me that I need to also re-read The Glass Bead Game. I didn't enjoy it when I first read it. But I just turned 50 (two weeks after seeing a pre-release screening of BBM - I initially felt like I'd been kicked in the crotch and then punched in the head - but I know better now!) and I'm hoping that I have enough 'insight' to really appreciate it this time :D
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Hey there Big Ed and jpq716 - if you get started with Hesse you can just go on and on (as I recall)  - right around the time I read Narcissus And Goldmund I also read Demian (which I liked a lot) and of course Siddhartha and Steppenwolf.  These were (um) unusual times in my life, however, so I don't remember as much of them as I'd like - time to go back and read them again, I guess  :-[

Right around the time I was reading Hesse I read Camus' 'Plague', and that's another one I've wanted to go back and re-read.  It haunted me at the time and I'm sure after living in the SF Bay Area during the 80s-90s it will resonate with me again.
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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #114 on: February 24, 2006, 01:25:04 AM »
Any Douglas Coupland fans out there?  If so, recommend something for me - I read 'City of Glass - Douglas Coupland's Vancouver' a few years ago when I was on my first exploration trip there (as they say - 'Canada: looking better every day') and enjoyed it, but I'm wondering where I should start on his fiction....
I do my thing, & you do your thing. I am not in this world to live up to your expectations, and you are not in this world to live up to mine. You are you and I am I, and if by chance we find each other - it is beautiful. If not it can't be helped.

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #115 on: February 24, 2006, 01:52:31 AM »
Since I'm off in this vein, I should mention a few of my favorite W.S. Burroughs books here - if you've never read him, I'd start with 'Interzone' or 'Exterminator' (collections of short stories).  In his longer works, I particularly like the fever dreamlike 'Cities of the Red Night'.

I loved Naked Lunch a whole lot.

Took me a couple tries though. First time, I was just appalled. Years later, someone mentioned in passing how funny it was. I almost choked. Funny? Are you kidding me?

But I tried it again--taking it all a lot less seriously--and lo and behold . . .
Definitely not for everyone, though.

I had the great good fortune of hearing him read his works - about 3 times - once he was on tour with John Giorno and Laurie Anderson.  Once you saw him read you couldn't miss the humor in his works.  And, btw, there is a great little chapbook "Roosevelt After Inauguration" that is absolutely hilarious (in a very sick way) that he did:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0872861155/sr=8-3/qid=1140770873/ref=sr_1_3/102-0883010-6354512?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Another time I saw him was when the movie 'Burroughs' came out in the early 80s - I went to a party he was at after the film and Mark Pauline (from Survival Research Labratories) let him play with his flamethrower in the parking lot: "Nice little toy ya' got here son...heh heh."
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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #116 on: February 24, 2006, 02:12:59 AM »
A book that is simply amazing-up there with Brokeback Mountain-is the Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay, by Michael Chabon.

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #117 on: February 24, 2006, 04:04:49 AM »
Burroughs and Hesse are both painful for me. Chabon, I like.

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #118 on: February 24, 2006, 07:48:30 AM »
The Life of Pi by Yann Martel. About a boy, a tiger, and some other animals stuck on a lifeboat in the Pacific.

Read it and laugh. Then get awed. Then horrified. Then weep.

I don't wanna hear, I don't wanna know, please don't say you're sorry.

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #119 on: February 24, 2006, 08:34:17 AM »
Dave,

You're right about psuedonym, the word doesn't really imply anything about why it's used, it's just a false name.

Heteronym was Pessoa's own word for what he was doing. He was a poet, after all.

Countless lives inhabit us.
I don't know, when I think or feel,
Who it is that thinks or feels.
I am merely the place
Where things are thought or felt"

Ricardo Reis