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« Reply #60 on: August 10, 2007, 07:33:23 AM »
Jimmy:  I remember making small plaster items in early elementary education.  So that's where they all ended up, it someone's collection.  lol

I've been meaning to put a couple of pictures of a collection of Rosenthal China (newer modern pieces) I have, however, the only good camera we have has been at the cabin documenting some work being done for the past three weeks.  Hopefully, next week I'll take some pics and post them.

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« Reply #61 on: August 10, 2007, 08:06:48 AM »
heeheh... :D

rosenthal,, you must mean the raymond lowey designs? i googled it, i thought you meant that jetson's looking modern stuff  but that must be another company.

i am fond of the western style cowboy stuff, forgot who did that, i don't think it was HLC. 

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« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2007, 09:16:18 AM »
o-hayo, rei-g!
yes, i'm jimmy (gnash)...  btw, my mom's name is oki setsuko (from fukuoka);  it's so nice to see a japanese name on the threads!

Jimmy that's neat.
沖 or 隠岐 節子 san? (can you read)
Have you been to Fukuoka?
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« Reply #63 on: August 11, 2007, 10:41:25 AM »
is anyone into Shawnee Pottery? I had a collection that what's- his- face took with him in the Big D, but it was really his anyway, so... :D

I've always been curious as to what a fan might think the current value could be-the Cow cookie jar and pig ( I think) salt/pepper were my faves. I don't see much anymore, so more concerned I made a mistake letting it go...

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« Reply #64 on: August 12, 2007, 05:57:26 AM »
Hi, Jimmy!

i see the charcacters but don't know what they mean!!
Oh, I just thought those might be the way your mom's name was written.

i was always so delighted in the japanese and their thrifty use of space. this was in osaka, i think. maybe that's why i'm into miniatures and collecting tiny things?
By practical means we have to make good use of space. ;D

Bonsai growers must be really patient.
It's amazing when trimmed they stay small yet look like an old tree.

not sure what they are called, but they usually depict people working. we have a man mending a fishing net, and another set of a teacher and his student (i think) holding strange white umbrella-type things in their hands -- not sure what it means.
I'm not sure either.  Do you think they could be a type of Hakata dolls from Fukuoka area?

My parents are from Okayama.  There is a statue of Momotaro in front of Okayama station.
The demon island is off the coast of Okayama in the Seto Inland Sea.

The wooden boxes from Hakone are really elaborate pieces of craftsmanship, aren't they?
I love the patterns they make from just combining different color wood.

I don't collect anything from the U.S. at the moment.
I once tried to add plates to a Lennox coffee cup I had, but gave the idea up when I found out that the design had been discontinued.
I spent a year in southern California long time ago and I treasure the Native American Jewelry made with turquoise and silver given to me then.

My mother has a collection of Bizen Pottery from Okayama Prefecture.
http://www.bizenpottery.com/bizen-ebizen.html
She gave me a kettle that used to belong to my grandpa.

I think I should stick to my small owls and succulents in my humble abode in Tokyo.
Most of my succulents are in pots no bigger than coffee mugs.
It's easier to move them around.  I sometimes have to, in order to avoid extreme temperatures.

Will try to take pictures and post some Bizen Pottery together with feathers, sharp beaks and claws.  :D :-* :-*

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Re: Collectibles Corner Showcasing and discussing everything collectible.
« Reply #65 on: August 12, 2007, 06:59:13 AM »
is anyone into Shawnee Pottery? I had a collection that what's- his- face took with him in the Big D, but it was really his anyway, so... :D

I've always been curious as to what a fan might think the current value could be-the Cow cookie jar and pig ( I think) salt/pepper were my faves. I don't see much anymore, so more concerned I made a mistake letting it go...

tx.

oh, that stuff is so cute! hmm, my sister in law is waaay into shawnee pottery and has a shelf around her kitchen up high that's stocked with their lovable american dishware. perhaps you don't see much of it anymore because she has so much of it LOL. j/k.

you can buy books on shawnee pottery, many with yearly updated price listings, but you can bet that the price will vary from city to city, state to state. one cookie jar can sell for 600.00 in one place and in a thrift store for 10 bucks...   :) :(

try online to check for the particular item you're curious about. look closely colors, eye painting, ribbon styles, etc., to help narrow down your search. certain editions are more rare, other more common -- and of course, its condition will determine value. ebay is bound to have items for sale!

btw -- i once bought a small smiling pig for my sis in law at a thrift store here in so cal for about 10 bucks. when exiting the shop, the bag caught on the door jamb and was flung from my hand to land on the sidewalk. it shattered into pieces! UGH!!! but i just smiled and said, i'll glue him back together at home, which easier said than done -- we ended up with a cubist version of the little piggy. :D





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« Reply #66 on: August 12, 2007, 08:29:52 AM »
is anyone into Shawnee Pottery?
tx.

On-line is the best place.  Again pricing varies so much - the way I did it with my Fiesta, I always waited to buy something until I found it at the price I wanted.

Of course, that was when there were loads of it.  Not so sure now.  With Shawneee, I suspect that the rare pieces are mostly snatched up -- but once in awhile, one of them shows up at a bargain.
The thing is it may not reveal itself to you, but to someone else...  lol, and so it goes.

For example, the piece below (borrowed pic) is the Fiesta Cakeplate -- the rarest piece and ranges from $800 - $1500.
Early on when these were going up to $500, I was fortunate to stumble on a cobalt blue in Florida.   I stopped at a road side barn that had an antique/collectible sign.  The joint was closed, but we still pulled over, got out of the car and and went straight to the windows to peek in.  Behold a wall of fiesta, I had to close my mouth to keep my heart in, lol.  I could see she had lots of cobalt blue, and super major pieces of which this was one.  Needless to say, I couldn't sleep....  :D .  The next day we went in, trying not to show the excitement and experience in collecting this stuff.  Got the cake plate and again had to keep my mouth shut when I saw the $45 price on it.  Next was the coffee pot, $35... then the covered casserole and teapot at $25 each.  Now at this time, except for the cake plate, these pieces were already going for over $100 dollars each.   Oh, for the good old days.... :D :D :D  I will relate another story later on how I got a Red and a Yellow Cake Plate... ;)


This link http://mediumgreen.com/ takes you to a premier on everything about Fiesta.  This link http://mediumgreen.com/cgi-bin/fiesta.cgi is a values page on the same sight that the site owner keeps pretty up to date.

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Re: Collectibles Corner Showcasing and discussing everything collectible.
« Reply #67 on: August 12, 2007, 08:32:15 AM »
wow, rei-g --- thanks for the link about bizen pottery, the kiln shots were great, i love to see how the pottery glows a translucent red and then cools down to those lovely patterns and color...

this small dish is amazing! i am very inspired by japanese ceramics and have tried to duplicate the same look in my own pottery using stoneware and traditional western glazing and firing techniques. i had no idea what type of pottery i was duplicating as the books used as a resource were all in japanese. now i know, thank you!

ok, i just imaged googled "hakata" and yes, i think that's what i have, especially the one with the fisherman's net. i love that style of figure/doll, will try to find more detailed info on them.

that's wonderful about your parents, and the peach boy sculpture in okayama -- demon island too, i thought that was a make-believe place but it's nice to know it actually exists.. hopefully the demons are are rest at the moments, heheh!!

i understand about the practicality and good use of space in japan!! it can be like that here too, i think, with city living becoming very tight in some communities. i also grow plants in miniature sizes, some hydroponically, or in pots the size of tea cups. i am accustomed to watering them daily, especially in summertime. we're going out of town for 10 days soon, so will have to set next to each plant a dish of water with a cloth wick connecting the two so they won't dry out.. what a chore!

yes, the hakone boxes are very detailed with their wood inlays. i chose the geometric designs, but those with landscape images rendered in various colors/types of wood are beautiful too. both the artistry AND engineering of those puzzle boxes is truly amazing! here's a link for readers that don't know what we're talking about:

http://www.johnrausch.com/PuzzleWorld/puz/japanese_trick_box.htm

also, yes, collecting china can be tiresome when a line from a company (like your lennox pattern) is retired. buying them from resources that specialize in discontinued dishware (like replacements.com) can get very pricy. that's why i like the colorful fiesta ware -- it's very mix and match. ;)

oh -- i look forward to your seeing your collection of bizen -- including the beaks and claws and feathers. :D

we seem to be similar in that regard -- just today i dusted off my sea shell collection. also included are crab claws, coral bits, snail shells, sand dollars, starfish and other cast off, organic items (like urchins and twisted bits of dried kelp) from the sea. i am as fond of nature's sculpture as much as what is man-made. plus, i am a pisces, maybe that's it... ;)

lastly, how nice that you have some native american jewelry from your visit to the southwest USA. turquoise is one of my favorite gemstones (soft as it is), along with sapphire, tourmaline, aquamarine -- i love colors of blue and green. my taurus sister collects red gems (ruby, garnet, etc), and we are sooo different. water sign, earth sign. i am complacent and cool, she is naturally fiery and aggressive. it's interesting to note the differences, i think.

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gerry --- forgot to mention a type of dishware my bf and i collect -- anything that looks like wood. whether twig, logs, or planks, if it's glass or china or pottery: little "wooden" barrel shotglasses of glass or ceramic, vessels mocking pine buckets, vases that look like the trunk of a tree. metal too -- i love our antique cast-iron toothpick holder that looks like a woodpecker resting on a fallen log.

i think the appeal is because it's something natural, recast in a different material by human hands. also fascinating is the outdoor garden "twig" furniture -- tables, benches, arbors, fencing, etc., that is made from concrete. the huntington library and gardens here in the LA area has a bunch of that leading to their japanese gardens. sections of it need repair, i've noticed. it's concrete that's hand sculpted too look like natural tree branches over a base form of metal rebar,,,, and it's cracking. i think it's about 80 years old or so...  :(

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« Reply #68 on: August 12, 2007, 08:47:06 AM »
lol -- jimmy and rei-g..

our posts are so long and detailed they're hard to respond to... :D :D
I guess it's the detail in our collections and the connection to our personalities.
So pardon me if I ramble in my responses.  I guess best thing to do is respond
in order, eventhough I just read your last post jimmy and want to talk about other stuff.

here goes....
Rei-g

I just had to borrow this pic, I think I can make room for these pieces, huh?   lol
This also reminds me of Mashiko http://library.osu.edu/sites/rarebooks/japan/2_8_photos.html   -- of which my Jack had made in the 50's when he
was in the Air Force in Japan.  Subject and pics for another day.


jimmy:   Regarding Rosenthal:

" The tradition has continued throughout the twentieth century. Rosenthal's moderne figurines produced in the 1920s and 1930s are some of the very best in porcelain designs from the Art Deco period. The successful mid-century dinnerware lines designed by industrial designer Raymond Loewy and another by Walter Gropius, a founder of the Bauhaus, led the way to the modern era of designer and artist porcelains that reads like a "Who's Who"

Modern designers employed by Rosenthal since WW2 include Tapio Wirkkala, Timo Sarpaneva, Emilio Pucci, Bjorn Wiinblad, Piero Fornasetti and Gianni Versace. Artists include Victor Vasarely, Salvador Dali, Roy Lichtenstein and Frank Stella."

btw, Versace are those triangular shaped pieces, however, they're not my cup of tea, so to speak.  lol

Again, subject for a later post.

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Re: Collectibles Corner Showcasing and discussing everything collectible.
« Reply #69 on: August 12, 2007, 09:36:30 AM »
haha, your fiesta collection is surely reminds me of those packed kiln shelves, gerry!

the old black and white shots of japan are cool, too... sakuma's kilns look awesome, but i am a bit worried about the use of wood in firing kilns. what with global warming and all that. i understand that in india, with some 10 million bodies burned on wood burning pyres every year, it's making a heck of a lot of smoke contributing to carbon emissions... and nearly a half a million tons of ash spilled into rivers, not to mention the half burned bodies tossed in by families that can't afford the wood to properly cremate their loved ones. as a result, they are trying to break religious tradition and get the hindus to cremate in more ecologically sound ways. they're running out of wood, and using less wood  i know the pottery traditions are not creating as much of a dent in that regard, but knowing how much wood is used to fire a week-long kiln fire can add up, i suppose.  :-\

okay so i go off track there, sorry!!!!

anyway, i do love the cross legged posture of the kawai potters at their wheels! that makes total sense to me. :D ;)

wow, i didn't know rosenthal employed all those artists, the ones i recognize, fornasetti, versace, pucci, dali, lichenstein, stella... i adore. i'll have to read up more on those.

we sold a LOT of the versace dinnerware out of the shop in studio city and i must say i thought it was over the top. but if i had the rooms to match, i would have loved to have tons of it!!  my favorite is the pink butterfly design, and the black and yellow one, and the blue one.. LOL. very beautiful, intricate stuff. and expensive... sigh... but no match in durabilty to fiesta, or in the sheer essence of pottery and happenstance in japanese pieces!

i do collect the royal doulton "astrology" plates. i'm trying to amass all 12 dinner plates of the series. they are black and white and look like they could have been created by fornasetti,,, very graphic, very detailed almost ornately overdone designs. each feature the animal of the sun sign that is represented. i also have a set of whimsical italian glass dessert plates from the seventies with borderline pornographic images of horny little pink pan/satyr creatures depicting the signs of the zodiac. those are in a box here somewhere -- if i find them i'll snap a pic and post 'em (under a link, of course)... ;D

sadly, the decal on some of them has been damaged, but i don't mind a little distressing; they're display pieces at this point.

i can imagine nuryev having served cakes on these provocative little plates, where you don't see the image until you finish off dessert. okay, maybe not nuryev... liberace? haha. they're so gay, delightful really. rare too, possibly, as i've never seen them anywhere else before... maybe they're more common in italy?

uhh... sorry about the lengthy posts.. ::) :D ;)


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« Reply #70 on: August 12, 2007, 09:44:39 AM »
...Behold a wall of fiesta, I had to close my mouth to keep my heart in, lol.  I could see she had lots of cobalt blue, and super major pieces of which this was one.  Needless to say, I couldn't sleep....  :D . ...

oh my goodness... that is such a great story, what a find! yes, those moments are few and far between.

man, i can totally see you pretending NOT to be excited about that stuff when inside you were JUMPING for joy! LOL!!  lucky you, and i hope it happens again soon. i've heard stories of people buying houses where the owners just sell it and the contents altogether... and when the new owners go exploring, such treasures are found -- cupboards full of fiesta, antique cars sitting in garages.  :D

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« Reply #71 on: August 12, 2007, 09:50:07 AM »
Gerry, Jimmy, CANSTANDIT

Looks like the pottery talk will go on for a while. :)  Nice thing.

My mother actually worked as a part-time shop keeper of a tiny Bizen Pottery shop until last fall.
There are cheap pseudo-Bizen done in electric kilns for tourists sold as mere souvenirs and the real ones
that are E.X.P.E.N.S.I.V.E !!!!!! :o :o :o :o  (No way I'm going to collect Bizen, no sir!)
I don't have too many with me.  I'll take pictures of my mothers stuff next time I go visit her.
Until then,

Look out DEMONS, Jimmy-taro's comin to getcha!!


Good night!  :-* :-*
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« Reply #72 on: August 12, 2007, 11:21:15 AM »
Rei-g, yep I think pottery is the current topic.  I encourage other members to post information of any pottery they may have
we'd sure like to know about it, especially see any pics.

Jimmy - we're gonna have to start giving awards for the longest post...;  ;)   Actually, in this thread, long posts are good. lol

OK, gotta make a list of things I need to bring up at a later date so I won't forget.

1.  Topic about people selling houses with all the contents -- jimmy, I've heard of this and I'm amazed every time why people do that.
2.  Bizen - I need to see more pics - Rei-g, can't wait to see your mom's pieces.   It's that EXPESNSIVE, huh?
3.  Jimmy:  You should have seen my contorted face when I read your story about the plastic bag getting caught on your way out with your treasure.  Ouch.
4.  I'm not sure of the wood burning is still going on in Mashiko -- those pics are from the 50's.   I hope it's not.  I can imagine how much wood is needed. 
5.  BTW Hamada Shoji 1894-1978, was the maker of the Mashiko my jack ordered.  He was a Japanese National Living Treasure.  http://www.e-yakimono.net/html/living-natl-treasures.htm.
5.  RD astrology plates, gotta look those up.
6.  The lady with all the cobalt Fiesta, as much as I tried to not show my glee, I'm sure she knew, that I KNEW, what was going on.   lol
7.  I also noticed the cross-legged positions for pottery thowing.
8.  Shwanee -- googled it, man they made all kinds of pigs...

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« Reply #73 on: August 12, 2007, 06:22:42 PM »
Thanks all, for the responses on Shawnee...

The Rosenthal and Fiesta pics are really nice to see.....Pottery is just wonderful, IMO.
I've been inspired to give away some of my Lenox dayware to a niece who is going back to school, and a new living arrangement,  after seeing some of your pics; I realized how tired I was of it.

Hugs, all.

Jo

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PS-I'll get back to this thread more often, now...its too fun.

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« Reply #74 on: August 12, 2007, 10:16:35 PM »
lol, gerry, my long posts are par the course, it seems, heh. what with no TV, lol.. :D

with the bizen -- i'm glad to hear they use electric kilns for the tourist trade. i adore and respect the traditions of wood burning kilns. i love the stepped hillside kilns they use in japan, those are just amazing. but in light of our world situation, i imagine that it will be a lost art in time, or at least less available. another reason the authentic bizen pieces are so astronomically priced!

rei-g, thanks for showing the momotaro statue! my partner pitched a movie idea for momotaro to an animation company a while back, so he did so many drawings of that japanese tale... i remember the characters well. unfortunately they chose do to a chinese story, which we loved anyway (fa-mu-lan)... :) i will have to tell him about peachboy's ties to okayama and that demon island actually exists!

that's cool that your mom sold bizen in that shop, rei-g, she must have some wonderful pieces in her collection. one of my bonuses for working at the fiesta store was getting irregular pieces, those with color shifts, glaze misses and warped shapes... things the customers did not like to buy.


gerry --- here's a pic of one astrology plate by royal doulton, sorry for the blurriness, cell phone! this is the fornasetti-ish piece i was talking about. i've seen other RD plates with a zodiac theme but not with this black border. maybe this is meant to be a charger, or something, but it's not that big, standard 10" size.



yes, i'm sure any collectors can remember the elation in finding a particular item they've been looking for. you see it all the time at collectible shows, heheh. it can get weird tho, when price haggling for things. i won't do that outright, but there is an art to pretending to be only mildly interested in a piece and walking away... then you come back to the booth, hope it's still there and if it is you pick it up again.... sigh, then put it back down. many times the sellers, esp at the end of the day in order to make a sale (and to get rid of you? heh) will lower the price drastically LOL. ;D

perhaps my best tactic is engaging them and being honest. one seller, when she learned that i'd lost my coveted troll doll house that i had as a kid, and who saw my happiness in seeing it again in her display, simply threw it in along with my purchase of some other things. i did not have enough money to buy the house, so that was very nice of her to do.... plus, she said that she was tired of carting the darn thing around, LOL.

i used to have a photo when i was five or six, in athens, greece, playing with the little vinyl covered cardboard fold-out house; that must have been the start of my interest in dollshouse minatures!

jo --- that's so nice you gave your niece some china, i'm sure she'll enjoy it!



and since we're talking about pottery and such -- here's a quote for this thread:


     "we shape clay into a pot, but it is the emptiness inside that holds whatever we want."    -- tao te ching


 :) :-*

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