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Re: Last Scene ("I swear" scene)
« Reply #2430 on: February 05, 2017, 08:54:13 AM »
Interesting and well thought out theory, BJ.

Welcome to the forum!

Ditto. V.

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Re: Last Scene ("I swear" scene)
« Reply #2431 on: February 05, 2017, 09:14:10 AM »
And from me, BJ!
There were only the two of them on the mountain flying in the euphoric, bitter air, looking down on the hawk's back and the crawling lights of vehicles on the plain below, suspended above ordinary affairs....

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Re: Last Scene ("I swear" scene)
« Reply #2432 on: February 06, 2017, 08:33:08 PM »
Thanks for your welcomes :)!
I was starting to fear i am talking to myself here, while i really needed to talk to somebody about this movie in order to get over it (not succeeded yet!). This movie is "old" already, so much was said already, so many people watched it a hundred times more than me, but still - i am a new VICTIM, please allow me to find comfort! XD
This movie is just so classic, i think it will never get old.

"A love that will never grow o-o-old"
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Re: Last Scene ("I swear" scene)
« Reply #2433 on: February 07, 2017, 03:43:42 AM »
Sure thing.  Yes lots of historical items now in these threads.  Some by current members. Some by members who joined for a brief time.  Some by members no longer with us.  At some point films like BBM do fall from mainstream but remain steadfast with loyal fans and patrons.  Hell I kept it on my DVR for years until it died just so I could queue it up whenever I needed a reminder.   There will continue being a loyal group of fans, time permitting.  At some point I feel it will be declared a classic beyond our scope.

We understand how the film reaches inside and gets you good.

Take your time. V.

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Re: Last Scene ("I swear" scene)
« Reply #2434 on: February 07, 2017, 04:08:23 AM »
BJ, why don't you post in "New members introduce yourselves", in Our Community >Meet your Neighbors?

There are so many people who will understand what you're experiencing at the moment. The trouble is, there are not all that many who are still discussing the film and book, but you never know - a new voice may stimulate things!
There were only the two of them on the mountain flying in the euphoric, bitter air, looking down on the hawk's back and the crawling lights of vehicles on the plain below, suspended above ordinary affairs....

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Re: Last Scene ("I swear" scene)
« Reply #2435 on: February 07, 2017, 09:13:46 AM »
Hi BJ!

This movie is "old" already, so much was said already, so many people watched it a hundred times more than me, but still - i am a new VICTIM, please allow me to find comfort!

That's exactly how I felt when I first came here in 2012  ;)

The film still touches my heart. The magic continues and it's a thrill to see new names here.

Welcome! And I like your name! Does it stand for "BlueJean"?  ;D
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Re: Last Scene ("I swear" scene)
« Reply #2436 on: February 08, 2017, 01:38:58 AM »
Hi and thanks again :)
My name is just my initials - pretty simple :p. But you can read it as "BlueJean" if you like, BlueJeanJeanie   :D

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Re: Last Scene ("I swear" scene)
« Reply #2437 on: February 09, 2017, 10:49:48 AM »
                                                 ^^^^
Hi BJ
You will never get over it. No matter how hard you may try....it will haunt you for
most of...if not all of your life now. Once seen never forgotten. Things will crop up in your life which will remind you of scenes and things from BBM....and  even things someone may say...like...."Never enough time....never enough". How many times have I heard that by somebody who will never know the meaning behind it.
Or even "no more beans"! Go into a tea shop perhaps someone will offer you " A slice of cherry cake ?"  The whole movie will come flooding back into your mind.
So....lets face it..........you're hooked !

Best to ya!....Suelyblu.  :D
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I love the way the last line was left open it could mean so many things.

"Jack...I swear...... I loved you"

"Jack ....I swear..... I'll live a good life with no regrets"

"Jack .....I swear...... we'll get back to Brokeback when my turn comes."

So many spins can be put on those last three heartbreaking words.  :'( :(
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 Be with me always. Take any form. Drive me mad,
 only do not leave me in the dark alone, where I cannot
 find you.
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Re: Last Scene ("I swear" scene)
« Reply #2438 on: February 21, 2017, 02:37:42 PM »

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Re: Last Scene ("I swear" scene)
« Reply #2439 on: March 12, 2017, 12:46:35 AM »
BJ, the switching of the shirts is one of the intriguing aspects of the film. We all lay much importance on it and yet it was a decision made by Heath Ledger, and which he seems to have sprung on everyone on the day of filming. Certainly, Diana Ossana knew nothing about it until they came to film the scene and Heath told her he had a bit of a surprise for her. I guess he knew Ennis right down to his boot heels.

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Re: Last Scene ("I swear" scene)
« Reply #2440 on: March 21, 2017, 02:44:03 AM »
Hi Ministering angel!

Yes, i know that it was Heath's idea. Nevertheless, i see the film as a whole, as a finished "result", no matter where the decisions came from. So, for me it is all about the change for Ennis. His realization of what he had lost and why he had
a) not lived his love out fully +
b) failed to make Jack - the person he loved most in his life - happy.

For me Ennis is way pass over that "I swear I love(d) you". Because it's not enough and too superficial. Ennis has not only to deal with Jack's loss, but he has to learn how much Jack loved him (shirts), how much Jack suffered because of being away from him ("miss you so much i can hardly stand it", Lureen saying Jack's favorite place was Brokeback and also saying that he drank a lot), how Jack's dreams were shattered because of Ennis' set up rules ("as most of Jack's ideas it never came to pass"). When you're hit with this kind of realizations it's not just enough to say "I swear I love(d) you". This is something that probably didn't need to be said at all between those two.

This is my personal perception, but if somebody who I truly, deeply loved passed away due to some stupid accident and I were to find out that this person was suffering because of me not being able to fight my own demons well enough, I would try to be a better person in his / her honor - even if it's too late now. One line that strikes me very much is Lureen saying on phone "I suppose they'd appreciate it if his wishes was carried out...'Bout the ashes, I mean..." - Why did she feel the need to specify Jack's wishes being about the ashes? What kind of other wishes could he had possibly have? Maybe some wishes which only Ennis knew of?? I think even if it was not intentionally this kind of sent a message to Ennis...

I also think it is important to notice how Ennis is checking on his mailbox after putting the numbers on it at the end. It's the same kind of checking as he did with the tent "tent don't look right". And generally, Ennis does not look crashed / devastated to me at that point. It's not that he's heavily drinking, lying around in his trailer sobbing about his lost love, right? It looks like he had come to terms with Jack's loss and - although surely suffering and grieving - it looks like he has a plan, he has some idea, a goal, he's up to something. Therefore, for me this "I swear..." somehow relates to that plan - which will probably include bringing Jack's ashes to Brokeback, but there will be definitely more to that.
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