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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #60 on: June 05, 2008, 01:02:43 PM »
Last night on Charlie Rose, he had on Mark Halperin of Time and Connie Schultz of the Cleveland
Plains Dealer and a couple of other powerhouse reporters whose views are generally well thought
out. Halperin said that he considered Barack Obama "the most extraordinary politician he's ever seen."
Charlie Rose then asked, "...better than Bill Clinton?"
Halperin said, "Well, not better, but just as good." (I paraphrase a bit.)

that's good to hear. my pbs station is doing plege-week crap, so last night's charlie is just about to start on the other pbs station. can't wait.

i never got the idea of bill being such a great politician. i think he was vastly over-rated.

btw, david gergen had his breath taken away by obama's speech tuesday night. he said we have never seen anyone with skill like that since reagan. again, reagan never struck me as a great speaker, but he was speaking to a different audience to me--in style, as well as content. he was a hammy, aw-shucks, dumb-it-down communicator which just repulsed me, but i will grant that he was brilliant at adopting that style and being effective with it.

and it was cool to hear gergen, who made his living as "communications director" to several presidents, put barack in that company.

it's exciting to be a part of this.

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #61 on: June 05, 2008, 01:25:52 PM »
Last night on Charlie Rose, he had on Mark Halperin of Time and Connie Schultz of the Cleveland
Plains Dealer and a couple of other powerhouse reporters whose views are generally well thought
out. Halperin said that he considered Barack Obama "the most extraordinary politician he's ever seen."
Charlie Rose then asked, "...better than Bill Clinton?"
Halperin said, "Well, not better, but just as good." (I paraphrase a bit.)

that's good to hear. my pbs station is doing plege-week crap, so last night's charlie is just about to start on the other pbs station. can't wait.

i never got the idea of bill being such a great politician. i think he was vastly over-rated.

btw, david gergen had his breath taken away by obama's speech tuesday night. he said we have never seen anyone with skill like that since reagan. again, reagan never struck me as a great speaker, but he was speaking to a different audience to me--in style, as well as content. he was a hammy, aw-shucks, dumb-it-down communicator which just repulsed me, but i will grant that he was brilliant at adopting that style and being effective with it.

and it was cool to hear gergen, who made his living as "communications director" to several presidents, put barack in that company.

it's exciting to be a part of this.

I am a fan of David Gergen, the only conservative who does not make my blood boil.
When Gergen speaks, I tend to listen. Kudos to CNN for placing him, seemingly, on
permanent political call.

In fact, I sent Gergen an email with a comment and a question a while back and
promptly got a nice reply back from an associate.

As for 'smarmy', well, if you look up the word in the dictionary, it will show a pix of Reagan.
The guy's speaking style always gave me the heebie-jeebies. I could NEVER understand how he
got away with it. His attractions always were and will remain elusive to me.

By the way, Charlie Rose also had Richard Engel, the extraordinary war correspondent for NBC, in a second
segment. Engel has a new book, MY FIVE YEARS IN IRAQ, which sounds like a good read.
He's another guy who seems big into truth telling.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #62 on: June 05, 2008, 02:10:32 PM »
In fact, I sent Gergen an email with a comment and a question a while back and
promptly got a nice reply back from an associate.

nice! i want to send him one. address?

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #63 on: June 05, 2008, 02:56:24 PM »
In fact, I sent Gergen an email with a comment and a question a while back and
promptly got a nice reply back from an associate.

nice! i want to send him one. address?

www.davidgergen.com
has a contact thingy.

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #64 on: June 05, 2008, 03:01:03 PM »
i hope the obama people and the clinton people can quickly figure out a way to steer the conversation about hillary into a constructive direction:

what role will she play on the team? and what role will bill play? is there a way to separate them and have them in separate roles rather than acting as a couple?

let's face it: like her or not, hillary is an incredible asset to the Dems.

Posted today by Steve Parker, at the Bilerico Project:

A Thank You Note to Senator Hillary Clinton

When I was twelve, I spent a lot of time telling anyone who would listen that you were ranked as one of the 100 most influential lawyers in America before even marrying Bill. You had a career before becoming Bill's wife, and if for any reason you ever decide not to still be his wife, you will continue to be successful.

Your work on the Nixon impeachment, children's rights, and public interest law continues to inspire me. Your early and continued commitment to civil rights and social change is inspiring. You reinforce to me that a commitment to a better world is sustainable and makes a difference. Thank you for that.

I obsessively rambled about how you were a Methodist, while Bill was a more conservative Baptist. This information about your religious beliefs caused my Cousin Brittany and I to go to a few Methodist churches in our hometown as we carried out our Great Church Search (an entirely different story). If it was good enough for you, my guess was it would be good enough for me.

My mother got tired of hearing me talk about you. She was more than a little disturbed when at thirteen I announced to her that I wanted to be you when I grew up. She said, you mean you want to be Bill. I knew then, just like I know now, that you are the smart one. I have always wanted to be the smart one. In that you have been a hero to me.

I have a single mother who struggled to support my brother and I. She worked hard and struggled to make it without a man to take care of her or her sons. I am so grateful that she is still alive to see a woman get as close as you have gotten to being a presidential nominee for a major political party. My mother loves you and probably cried when Obama passed the delegate threshold.

Your career has changed the landscape for women in this country for years to come, in spite of, not because of, media scrutiny of you. You were under a microscope as Bill's wife when he was running, when he was president and when you were running for president. I remember being disgusted as you were forced to develop a style that was more palatable to the American public and to temper yourself. Feminism was put back into its place with the way the media and pundits tried to put you back into yours. Your hair changes in those early years got more attention than your extremely liberal health care plan. Just like my mother and the other strong women in my life, you refused to be put into any box.

I am proud that I supported you. While I don't agree with all of your choices this campaign season, the best I can do is say to keep on fighting for a better world. I have no illusions that this is the end of your career. Great things are ahead.

Finally, if there is a next time, can we pick a better theme song?

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #65 on: June 05, 2008, 03:54:36 PM »
Thanks Marge! I think that about sums it up for me.

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #66 on: June 05, 2008, 04:24:20 PM »
Local news tonight (BO was in Bristol VA this afternoon)... 76% of local voters will not vote for him, not categorized by party affiliation. Of the remaining 24%, 15% were Obama supporters, a small percentage said they were Clinton backers and 3% said "Hun?" That last number is way down from the previous election.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #67 on: June 06, 2008, 12:57:50 AM »
On the news tonight they reported that Barack Obama was going to take
three days off to rest and relax and that he said he wanted to take his wife
out on a date.


Now I know that's not at all significant, but after watching news reports this week
of Bush-isms at a graduation and Cheney's W.V. remarks that he arrogantly
takes credit for (on top of his "So?" remarks recently), among all the other idiocies
we sit through each news cycle, that it just sounded so refreshing, so human,
and even joyful, that it made me feel good.  I want to feel good more often.

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #68 on: June 06, 2008, 01:55:50 AM »
speaking of top advisors:

i LOVE david axelrod, and he is probably a key reason obama won. he should absolutely stay as chief strategist. but . . .

i think they should yank him from tv. i think he's a really bad tv spokesperson. he spins a bit too much--a shadow of the other side, but still, he does it and it's gross--and he's not even good at it.

vile as he is, terry mccaulliffe knows how to dodge a question and pretend like he's answered it. it does offer something else that makes sense, even though it's an answer to a different question; a complete evasion.

david axelrod just sounds evasive. he sounds slippery, and not a good image for obama.

he's a brilliant strategist, but tv is not the guy's strength. so why have they been putting him in front of the cameras? they've got plenty of people to do that.

I think they have brought Linda Douglass on board to be the campaign's face to the media.  She does have that ability to talk on and on and not say a damn thing.
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #69 on: June 06, 2008, 07:05:31 AM »
Below is a link is from Women's Media Center that is a collage of what they see as some "sexist" moments in the media during the primary season interspersed with quotes from various leaders.  (It was in the following New York Times opinion article:  http://warner.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/woman-in-charge-women-who-charge/index.html)

I don't have an opinion as to the video's quality, completeness, bias, accuracy or even if these were the worst moments (and you can tell there are some clear repeat offenders in there).  I also think we could pick any "group" and make a montage of their treatment in the media, which would definitely reveal unfavorable and disgusting treatment (For example, I personally think "poor" folks got a super raw deal in the primary season.)  Still, I think the video is useful in that it provides a summary of certain comments that made some people feel that the media was being sexist over the primary season. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-IrhRSwF9U&eurl=http://www.salon.com/mwt/broadsheet/feature/2008/05/27/sexism_sells/
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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #70 on: June 06, 2008, 07:26:09 AM »
I have respect for this man. I did in 2000. I was even thinking on switching parties to vote for him in the primaries. Now he is evil like Bush. Spying on civilians is what Commie China does. Oh they want to make us safe from the Terrorists. However, giving up freedom for safety is what the Terrorist want. Don't people get it. The Terrorists can than go to their people and say: "See even Americans don't want their Freedom." I don't get it. Bush gave them what they wanted a War.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/06/mccain-supports-bushs-war_n_105610.html

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #71 on: June 06, 2008, 07:30:49 AM »
Even though I'm ecstatic that Obama won, the anti-Hillaryr video is depressing and disgusting and the column rings true to me. Thank God a person can avoid much of the tasteless sexist comments by choosing not to watch only a couple of channels.

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #72 on: June 06, 2008, 07:34:52 AM »
On David Gergen's home page (thanks, Rosewood!) there is this quote:

Seven key lessons for leaders of the future
"What they must have are: inner mastery; a central, compelling purpose rooted in moral values; a capacity to persuade; skills in working within the system; a fast start; a strong, effective team; and a passion that inspires others to keep the flame alive." - David Gergen, Eyewitness to Power

Anyone care to apply these to Obama and McCain and see who comes out ahead?

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #73 on: June 06, 2008, 08:09:03 AM »
I have respect for this man. I did in 2000. I was even thinking on switching parties to vote for him in the primaries. Now he is evil like Bush.

The interesting thing about McCain is that initially I thought he was a superb choice for the GOP this year because he was known as a person with his own POV, extremely strong bipartisan, former POW, party-loyalist, yet more centrist.  He disagreed enough with Bush and had ran against him so he would be the best candidate to distance himself from Bush's disastrous Administration and low approval ratings.  I knew he wasn't the conservative arm of the GOP's choice, but I thought he would handle that through picking a very conservative VP who the conservatives could imagine being Pres in 4 to 8 years.

Instead, he is becoming more and more conservative everyday.  I cannot tell whether he is listening to the wrong advisors (read, "Karl Rove") or trying to win at all costs or if he really believes what he is saying.  He is being ill-advised.  I felt badly for him when I saw him give that speech on Tuesday night.  The cable station I was watching cut him off at some point to go to either Clinton or Barack, so yesterday I watched the rest of the speech on youtube.  After watching it on youtube, I realized that the cable station did him a favor by cutting him off.  It was horrible.  That was not a format that shows off his best qualities.  He and his speech writers did not give him clear statements in the speech to define himself.  The speech was awkward and I felt awkward watching it.  If the media stops protecting him by only showing snippets of this man and instead shows his entire speech/statement/comments, his vulnerability will be revealed.

We are just now recovering from the primaries, so many of us are taking a little break before we get geared up for the general election.  This general election is going to be a full out battle, so it is wise for us to rest up.  McCain is boring yet likeable and the media respects him, so the media will not want to focus on him too much because he does not get the attention Barack does.  As a result, he escapes the type of media scrutiny we need to make sure every citizen is making an informed choice before we vote.

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Re: Election 2008
« Reply #74 on: June 06, 2008, 08:36:27 AM »
I hope this hold true. Appleone I agree with you on your views on McCain. The sad part is the media is so biased its sad. No freedom of the press here anymore. Thank God for the internet, where one can find REAL News.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/04/opinion/polls/main4154051.shtml