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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #150 on: January 26, 2009, 07:49:18 PM »
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And John, I'll have to explore that site Biblioteca Pléyades more. Thanks!

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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #151 on: January 27, 2009, 08:19:56 AM »
this should prove interesting... daley has appointed a gay man to be head chicago city schools.  i wonder if both have the stones to ride out the flap that is likely to follow.

http://www.towleroad.com/2009/01/mayor-daley-app.html

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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #152 on: January 27, 2009, 10:00:36 AM »
this should prove interesting... daley has appointed a gay man to be head chicago city schools.  i wonder if both have the stones to ride out the flap that is likely to follow.

I've already answered this in one of the other threads you posted it in - here:

http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=20110.msg1491955#msg1491955

He's a former cop and is well thought of as an administrator - he did a good job on the CTA.  His sexuality is not going to be as much of an issue as his lack of experience as an educator will be.
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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #153 on: January 27, 2009, 12:06:40 PM »
i dunno... tied to the lack of school administation experience is the issue of a gay man... with no children, looking out for the welfare of children.  certainly no issue for me, but i will be very surpried if it is smooth sailing.  he seems an extraordinarily talented individual though.
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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #154 on: January 27, 2009, 12:45:07 PM »
i dunno... tied to the lack of school administation experience is the issue of a gay man... with no children, looking out for the welfare of children.  certainly no issue for me, but i will be very surpried if it is smooth sailing.  he seems an extraordinarily talented individual though.

I asked my friend back in Chicago about him - he's credited with turning around CTA - so he's got the rep of being a 'can do' kind of guy.  He was also a cop for nearly a decade, so he's got the backing of the police too.  Actually, I think this guy is kind of being brought in to do the kind of job on the Chicago schools that Michelle Rhee did on the Washington D.C. schools.

But we'll see.  Hopefully it'll not be an issue.

Oh...and btw, my friend says he's rather hot, too.
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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #155 on: January 27, 2009, 04:05:52 PM »
Are 'illicit text messages' a mortal or a venial sin?

Wife says Haggard told her of struggles years ago
  By The Associated Press The Associated Press   – 7 mins ago

CHICAGO – Former evangelical pastor Ted Haggard's wife says she knew about his struggles with same-sex attraction for years and felt he was "winning the battle" before a scandal involving a male prostitute triggered his downfall in late 2006.

Gayle Haggard makes the remarks in an appearance with her husband on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" to air Wednesday. She said she was shocked when Haggard first told her the truth about the allegations against him.

"The first words out of my mouth were, 'Who are you?'" she said, according to a publicity release issued Tuesday by Harpo Productions.

However, Gayle Haggard also said her husband told her early in their 30-year marriage that he "struggled with some thoughts."

"I felt it was the thing that could destroy Ted if he gave in to it," she said. "So I prayed for him and I felt as though he was winning the battle."

Haggard, 52, resigned as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo., after the male prostitute went public. Haggard confessed to "sexual immorality."

The scandal widened in recent days with disclosures that Haggard also admitted to an "inappropriate" relationship with a church volunteer, Grant Haas, who was 22 at the time.

Haas told KRDO in Colorado Springs that Haggard performed a sex act in front of him and sent him illicit text messages. He informed New Life Church shortly after the scandal broke, and the two parties reached a settlement in 2007 that included a confidentiality agreement. Haas went public as Haggard is heavily promoting an HBO documentary about his time in exile.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090127/ap_on_re_us/rel_haggard_s_wife;_ylt=Am3lfCYKibwhqUQeZKRpv6cDW7oF
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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #156 on: January 27, 2009, 04:49:53 PM »

But we'll see.  Hopefully it'll not be an issue.

Oh...and btw, my friend says he's rather hot, too.
i, of course, googled him instantly, and not for his cv, which you took care of, because i can spot a hottie blindfolded.  he is totally hot (and fit for days, he's a mountain biker as well as other insane sports).

he was also daley's chief of staff for while too.

and i actually agree with daley about letting the educators educate, and advise administrators, but that they haven't often proved out as big time managers.

ETA:  if they ever do a gay BACHELOR tv show.  he DEFINITELY should be the prize.
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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #157 on: January 27, 2009, 04:55:10 PM »
Are 'illicit text messages' a mortal or a venial sin?


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We are all aware of the three basic kinds of impure speech: profanity, the worst, using God’s infinitely perfect and pure name casually in conversation, with simply the name of God or Jesus Christ to accent their speech or using all kinds of variations of God’s most Holy Names or His Titles with gross irreverences; obscenity, the most offensive, using terminology referring to the sacred parts of the body or the marital act to again accent a point made in conversation; and vulgarities, the rudest, using ‘barnyard’ language of the four letter variety to make a point about what one is expressing.
 
All of these abominations of speech offend decency’s virtue and Almighty God in serious or venial sins. Commonly, vulgarities are venial sins or even imperfections, if not too course, but profanities and obscenities are often serious sins, especially if they cause scandal to the young and innocent or blaspheme the name of God or holy persons or objects. If done in anger, using profanities, especially, can be serious sins, and also obscenities.


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Now scandal can be direct or indirect. One commits scandal indirectly if one fails to prevent evil when in a position of responsible authority and duty and one should and could do so. In other words, one also commits scandal indirectly when, in spite of one’s desire to prevent it, one is deterred by fear of gossip or what others may think. As Father John Hardon, S.J. often said: "What sins we will commit for human respect."


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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #158 on: January 27, 2009, 04:57:30 PM »
ETA:  if they ever do a gay BACHELOR tv show.  he DEFINITELY should be the prize.

He's taken.  Had the boyfriend in tow with him when my friend felt his bicep at Big Chicks in Chicago....
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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #159 on: January 27, 2009, 05:00:46 PM »
Haas told KRDO in Colorado Springs that Haggard performed a sex act in front of him...

My boss did the same thing to me when I was 23 in them earlier days.

I just quit the job.

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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #160 on: January 27, 2009, 05:00:50 PM »
Great name for a Jesuit, John.

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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #161 on: January 27, 2009, 05:02:27 PM »
Great name for a Jesuit, John.

or a porn star.

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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #162 on: January 27, 2009, 05:33:02 PM »
My boss did the same thing to me when I was 23 in them earlier days.

I just quit the job.

Did you at least give him a performance review first?
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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #163 on: January 27, 2009, 05:37:34 PM »
My boss did the same thing to me when I was 23 in them earlier days.

I just quit the job.

Did you at least give him a performance review first?

No I didn't think of it at the time.

But it wasn't a bad performance at all, and the fact that it was done in public made it even more impressive.


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Re: News & Current Events
« Reply #164 on: January 27, 2009, 05:59:44 PM »
I was unaware that evangelicals did this kind of witnessing....no wonder they keep singing 'can I get a witness....'

Grant Haas: Ted Haggard Masturbation Witness Speaks
ERIC GORSKI | January 27, 2009 02:06 AM EST | AP

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. — A young man who formerly attended New Life Church says that then-pastor Ted Haggard performed a sex act in front of him in a hotel room in 2006 and sent him explicit text messages.

His hidden relationship with Haggard, the man said, was followed by a period of isolation, struggles with drinking, drugs and suicide attempts.

Those latest allegations against Haggard, once an influential national evangelical leader, were reported Monday night by KRDO-TV in Colorado Springs, which interviewed the man, now 25.

In a statement earlier Monday, Haggard apologized for his "inappropriate relationship" with the former church volunteer, but said it did not involve physical contact.

The newly disclosed relationship added a chapter to Haggard's dramatic fall, which began in November 2006 when a Denver male prostitute alleged a cash-for-sex relationship with Haggard.

Haggard confessed to undisclosed "sexual immorality" and resigned as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and pastor of New Life Church.

The latest revelations involve Grant Haas, who told the TV station that he met Haggard in 2005 when he was 22. He said he told Haggard that he had been kicked out of a Moody Bible Institute in Chicago for his "struggles with homosexuality."

"It seemed like at that moment his eyes lit up and his whole attitude towards me changed," he told KRDO. Reached by text message Monday, Haas agreed to be identified by The Associated Press. Haggard's statement also identified him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/27/grant-haas-ted-haggard-ma_n_161261.html

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