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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #60 on: December 15, 2008, 10:50:10 PM »
Obama's first high-profile LGBT appointment: 

Nancy Sutley, Deputy Mayor of Los Angeles, to be head of the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

Here's her bio; God knows she's qualified.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/13/us/politics/13web-sutley.html
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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #61 on: December 16, 2008, 12:39:44 AM »
 

You know Tom, it says a lot about us as a country, the weariness and
ambivalence we feel towards Bush, that we're not enraged by this
cartoonish display. Or even, taken aback.

If I am not mistaken, didn't someone throw a pie
at Gerald Ford?  There was a lot of that in the 70's,
I Believe Anita Bryant got one in the face.  I admit I
was waiting for that footage in Milk.


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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #62 on: December 16, 2008, 01:13:33 AM »
 

You know Tom, it says a lot about us as a country, the weariness and ambivalence
we feel towards Bush, that we're not enraged by this cartoonish display. Or even,
taken aback.
I feel absolutely no ambivalence toward Bush.  I despise the man.

As for Muntadhar al-Zeidi, it's no surprise that he's becoming a national hero (I hear that thousands have already taken to the streets to support him and demand his release).  With any luck, a significant number of US shoes will find their way to the front lawn of the White House between now and January 20 to represent solidarity with al-Zeidi.
JD, you read my mind, and/or my posts, it is my profound hope that gw bush's remaining years be garnished at all times with stray shoes, commemorating the millions of lives lost as a result of his stupidity and cupidity.
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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #63 on: December 16, 2008, 03:53:12 AM »
   it is my profound hope that gw bush's remaining years be garnished at all times with stray shoes, commemorating the millions of lives lost as a result of his stupidity and cupidity.


For starters:


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WHAT: Peace activists to gather with shoes in solidarity to Iraqi journalist
WHEN: 11 a.m., Weds. Dec. 17
WHERE: In front of White House, 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

WASHINGTON, D.C. - In solidarity with an Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at George W. Bush ... peace activists will gather outside the White House with bags of shoes representing Iraqis and U.S. soldiers who have died since the Bush Administration's illegal invasion of Iraq.

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Complete story:  http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/38242

...somehow, as a coat hanger is straightened to open a locked car and then bent again to its original shape, they torqued things almost to where they had been, for what they'd said was no news.  Nothing ended, nothing begun, nothing resolved...

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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #64 on: December 16, 2008, 04:15:15 AM »
one can only hope this will penetrate his smug little redoubt of denial, and that this message is heard by the iraqi people and others in the middle east as our repudiation of bush and his cronies and what they did in our name.

i hope there are plenty of american combat boots among those shoes as well.   

ETA: he wants a legacy... WE'LL give him a legacy ! 
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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #65 on: December 16, 2008, 02:00:21 PM »
Well looks like the GOP will attack Obama's Sec of Education, for this stance on gays.


his support for Pride Campus, a proposal for a Chicago public school that would be "deliberately welcoming of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) teens." Pride Campus, which was a concept designed by the faculty of Chicago's Social Justice High School, was intended to address the shortfall in performance among LGBT teens by offering an environment that would not be...you know, hostile to their existence.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/16/gay-high-school-could-be_n_151458.html

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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #66 on: December 16, 2008, 02:06:32 PM »
one can only hope this will penetrate his smug little redoubt of denial, and that this message is heard by the iraqi people and others in the middle east as our repudiation of bush and his cronies and what they did in our name.

i hope there are plenty of american combat boots among those shoes as well.   

ETA: he wants a legacy... WE'LL give him a legacy ! 


In an interview with CNN Bush says, even knowing what we know about no WMDs, etc., he would still invade Iraq.

What a statement, after being the target of a pair of Size 10 shoes!  I suppose that is a fitting tribute for the conqueror.

Marx said, "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce."

I think we have finally experienced the farce.
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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #67 on: December 16, 2008, 02:26:22 PM »
MAY THE FARCE BE WITH YOU  ???

(with a nod to groucho marx)  ;)
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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #68 on: December 17, 2008, 07:06:33 AM »
Great more weapons for Afghanistan. Why does Bush keep thinking that helping Afghans by suppling them weapons would actually help. How about food, shelter, a new crop beside poppy seeds or just build schools to educate them. These would help more than more guns.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/16/us-to-start-arming-afghan_n_151570.html

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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #69 on: December 17, 2008, 10:02:53 AM »
Now the GOP will attack Holder for the Elian Gonzalez incident. What father's have no rights? Enough already.

Senate Republicans have requested information about Attorney General nominee Eric Holder’s role in the Elian Gonzalez controversy as part of a broad probe into his tenure with the Clinton administration and potential ties to presidential scandals during that era.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/gop-probes-holder-role-in-elian-saga-2008-12-16.html

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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #70 on: December 17, 2008, 10:05:36 AM »
one can only hope this will penetrate his smug little redoubt of denial, and that this message is heard by the iraqi people and others in the middle east as our repudiation of bush and his cronies and what they did in our name.

i hope there are plenty of american combat boots among those shoes as well.   

ETA: he wants a legacy... WE'LL give him a legacy ! 


In an interview with CNN Bush says, even knowing what we know about no WMDs, etc., he would still invade Iraq.

What a statement, after being the target of a pair of Size 10 shoes!  I suppose that is a fitting tribute for the conqueror.

Marx said, "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce."

I think we have finally experienced the farce.


Well, I guess this makes sense -- when he said a few weeks ago he regretted going into Iraq based on the bad intelligence about WMD -- I guess he meant he wishes they would have used one of the other dumb reasons that they floated, during the whole drumbeat up to war.

And I guess this confirms that he would have gone into Iraq for no other reason than he just wanted to finish up what his dad didn't finish, and go along with the whole Cheney/Rumsfeld blueprint.

I LOVE the shoe protest idea!  I swear, if someone organizes a shoe throw here in Dallas, I'm in!  I wonder if we can still get near that house he's buying?  I would like to leave some old shoes on the welcome mat.
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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #71 on: December 17, 2008, 10:30:59 AM »
JD, you read my mind, and/or my posts, it is my profound hope that gw bush's remaining years be garnished at all times with stray shoes, commemorating the millions of lives lost as a result of his stupidity and cupidity.
If one of you would throw a shoe on my behalf I'd appreciate it. I joined a protest march in Oxford before the Iraq war in which an effigy of Bush was burnt in Cornmarket St. I was there with thousands of others, too.

-  Jack - you have expressed my feelings so forcefully many times; you've just done it again.

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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #72 on: December 17, 2008, 11:05:59 AM »


If one of you would throw a shoe on my behalf I'd appreciate it. 

It's not the same as throwing a shoe, but ...

Petitions:

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/424/signUp.jsp?key=3909

http://www.iraqsnuclearmirage.com/articles/Zaydi.html
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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #73 on: December 17, 2008, 11:56:47 AM »
NOBODY dislikes Bush more than I do especially since I was against
the war from the very beginning. Here's my reverse reasoning:
If someone like me - who knows next to nothing about world
affairs and men's high powered aspirations and deceptions -
could've understood almost immediately that this war was an ill-fated
enterprise then what does that say about our 'leaders' in Washington?

Just wanted to state that up front going in.

I'm also of the opinion that a national leader should, at least,
be a bit smarter than me. But maybe that's just prejudice.
Actually, it would've been nice if Bush has been smarter than
my late dog Beemer, but maybe that was asking too much of
the country.

Ok, so given what I've said, I do appreciate the shoe throwing incident
as a farcical moment in time. I also see it as fitting and somewhat overdue
metaphor.

(And by the way, I'm wondering if the Secret Service was slow to act because
they too thought the moment too perfectly precious to waste.)

BUT, here's my thought: hasn't this guy ALREADY made himself a laughing stock?
I mean, just how much MORE do we need? How much more can we stand?
Bush is leaving office in disgrace, the buffoon having finally come completely to the fore.
Even his wife seems to have had enough. Have you seen her pained expression lately?
Doesn't the mere idea of a Bush Library conjure up ALL sorts of sustained hilarity?
This guy will go down in history as one of the worst IF NOT THE WORST President
this country has EVER had. Historians aren't likely to be fooled by the attempts at
revisionism being flung around by Bushs's few remaining flunkies.

So here's the rest of my thought:
I'm wondering if the current joyous reaction to the shoe thing might be overkill.
Wait a moment, hear me out.
After all, the office of the Presidency must continue.
It is this office that we respect.
(Or, at least, I do. We all do, otherwise why all the outrage over Bush's
incompetence? We SHOULD demand intelligent, competent leaders.)

IF we view shoe-throwing as appropriate then what else will we condone?
Even though the President is a dolt, I'm a bit leery at the idea of being seen as indulgent.
IF we're to have any standing in the world or any sort of moral leadership,
the title and office of President of the USA, must carry some heft.
I think we can agree that the office is, after all, more important than any man
or woman who occupies it.

For me, there is such a thing as growing weary of laughter especially when the joke has
resulted in the tragic consequences of these past eight years.

The thing should end with a whimper.
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Re: Presidential transition/Inauguration 2009 and beyond
« Reply #74 on: December 17, 2008, 01:46:23 PM »
Rosewood,

IMO the shoes represent the frustration so many people feel --

and I want to say your first paragraph -- if it is completely obvious to me that this Iraq war is vainglory, dangerous folly-- how can so many people like Daschle and so on go along with it-- and even the media --

and you know that you and I were not the only ones who felt that way --

Now that the war has resulted in even worse disaster than you and I dared to predict back in the beginning,

and now that Bush and his administration have for years gotten by with illegal atrocities and affronts to our own constitution,

and now that we don't see any consequences on the horizon for Bush from our own justice system --

The shoes represent our collective anger and frustration.

I agree, they are demeaning, and I agree, it is astounding that so many American citizens, instead of being outraged at the lack of disrespect to our president, actually are saying -- okay, maybe this is one way we can vent and be heard loud and clear.

He should go to jail.  He should be held accountable.  He should NOT even entertain the notion of a library.  But instead he is trying to whimper out these past few weeks with a shred of dignity --

and shoe throwing is not lethal, but it gets the point across.

I agree that it's a tragedy it has come to pass that an American president deserves to be disgraced, but George W. Bush has earned every bit of it.  And it is a way for people to express their anger without breaking the law (except if we hit him, charges could be pressed, I'm sure.  But my throwing arm isn't all that accurate.)
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