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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #915 on: July 08, 2013, 02:47:34 AM »
Even though I have read none of her literature. I'm sure nothing would come close to BBM. Ir won a Pulitzer Prize right?

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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #916 on: July 08, 2013, 02:54:47 PM »
She didn't win the Pulitzer for Brokeback

1998—"Brokeback Mountain" National Magazine Award
1998—"Brokeback Mountain" inc. O. Henry Awards Prize Stories 1998


but she did for Shipping News, which I couldn't finish...

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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #917 on: December 29, 2014, 07:12:46 PM »
Wasn't sure where to put this:


I wish I’d never written the story. It’s just been the cause of hassle and problems and irritation since the film came out. Before the film it was all right… In Wyoming they won’t read it. A large section of the population is still outraged. But that’s not where the problem was. I’m used to that response from people here, who generally do not like the way I write. But the problem has come since the film. So many people have completely misunderstood the story. I think it’s important to leave spaces in a story for readers to fill in from their own experience, but unfortunately the audience that Brokeback reached most strongly have powerful fantasy lives. And one of the reasons we keep the gates locked here is that a lot of men have decided that the story should have had a happy ending. They can’t bear the way it ends — they just can’t stand it. So they rewrite the story, including all kinds of boyfriends and new lovers and so forth after Jack is killed. And it just drives me wild. They can’t understand that the story isn’t about Jack and Ennis. It’s about homophobia; it’s about a social situation; it’s about a place and a particular mindset and morality. They just don’t get it. I can’t tell you how many of these things have been sent to me as though they’re expecting me to say, ‘Oh great, if only I’d had the sense to write it that way.’ And they all begin the same way — I’m not gay, but?.?.?.?The implication is that because they’re men they understand much better than I how these people would have behaved. And maybe they do. But that’s not the story I wrote. Those are not their characters. The characters belong to me by law.”



— Author Annie Proulx explaining to Paris Review the negative response from some readers to the ending of her short story Brokeback Mountain that was adapted into the Academy Award-winning 2005 film

http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/5901/the-art-of-fiction-no-199-annie-proulx



http://www.queerty.com/brokeback-mountain-author-wishes-shed-never-written-the-story-20141228


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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #918 on: December 30, 2014, 10:12:16 AM »
This interview is from 2009, and she has said this several times since. Somebody just noticed this (again) and linked to it and it went viral as if it were news.

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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #919 on: December 30, 2014, 03:42:12 PM »
This interview is from 2009, and she has said this several times since. Somebody just noticed this (again) and linked to it and it went viral as if it were news.

Well that would explain why no one replied!  :D   Thank you for replying, I hadn't seen this before and the article didn't have a date, but the responses were from this month, days ago... so I wasn't sure.


Not sure why she is so upset, I think we do this with many movies/screenplays, it is kind of human nature i would think!
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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #920 on: January 25, 2015, 05:19:17 AM »
Dear Miss Proulx

I am a fan of your short story, Brokeback Mountain, and have no desire to change the ending nor indeed any words at all.  Thank you for creating such a tremendous and enduring piece of art.

Yours sincerely

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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #921 on: January 25, 2015, 08:19:57 AM »
Dear Mr H4E

Thank you! You are all I could ask for in a reader.


Yours sincerely

Annie Proulx

PS I am sending you a signed copy of the first edition.
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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #922 on: January 25, 2015, 11:53:38 AM »

LOL!

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It is my opinion that just because people have reacted to the story the way she wrote it
doesn't mean they wish to change it, I've never heard anyone say that. Has anyone else?

People might want to envision happier things for the boys, but I think it's human nature to
want to provide hope where there seemingly is none.

If Annie doesn't like that, she is hope-less!

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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #923 on: January 25, 2015, 12:08:42 PM »
Dear Mr H4E

Thank you! You are all I could ask for in a reader.

Yours sincerely

Annie Proulx

PS I am sending you a signed copy of the first edition.

Aha!  So that is  you!  I thought so.  That wig and faux British accent weren't fooling anyone and least of all me.

Looking forward to receiving the book.

By the way, please don't be so formal.  You can call me "H".
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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #924 on: January 25, 2015, 10:05:57 PM »
 :D
“When we grow older still we’ll speak about those two young men as if they were two strangers..... And we’ll want to call it envy, because to call it regret would break our hearts.”

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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #925 on: January 26, 2015, 03:03:43 AM »
I looked for this but couldn't find it. Thanks for the link Chuck.
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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #926 on: January 26, 2015, 06:11:22 AM »
Cross posted from Ennis and Jack Relationship II   

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from: fofol on Yesterday at 02:29:53 PM
To better understand AP's process, I've been trying to write a short story. I have done nothing else for maybe too many obsessed months, but since my last post, I've had a character explaining to another why Brokeback isn't about as much about gay sex as it seems, and it may be only causally about gay love.  The 'straight' character in my story asks to see the film; the gay character has some explanation for him before the screening:
The straight guy asks, "Do they actually do it?"  The gay man replies: "Well, it looks a lot like it, but, no, the actors don't 'do it:' it is an 'R' rated movie, not pornography.  It is deeply personal though, and both men are dedicated actors, so there is one scene where they do give the impression that they're frantically getting down to it, creating something that looks very close to real, apart from an unlikely detail or two. The movie is still educational, but not in the mechanics of two guys doing it." "Well, if it's not an instructional, what does 'educational mean?"
 "The story actively demonstrates the crippling effects of homophobia, external and internalized, on true love by illuminating a relationship as two young men become unpredictably, staggeringly passionate for one another. The story follows their lives over twenty years as the homophobic world grinds them down: their epic love becomes a horrifying and horrifyingly unsettled tragedy written large - the survivor is denied the benefit of any proof around the death of his true love. The director and the lead actors are so true to life that some fans identify these characters as real people frustrated in love by their world, that their sympathy for the boys who are kept from their own love's freest and arguably best sexpression by their histories as well as by their environments strikes the deepest chords within. Some of these viewers get swept up in the love and doom that the sting of love deprived hits their sympathy so strongly that their own emotions upstage the described effects of negative familial and social influences, maybe especially as these influences are slowly revealed, as they become historically revealed to the characters, subtly yet with life-crushing persisitence.  The film shows one of the leads as a nine-year-old whose father forces his sons to go to a ditch to show them the discarded carcass of a tough old neighbor, a man the kids had known, after he'd been brutally murdered: among other outrages, he'd been dragged by a pickup truck, his penis tied to the truck by a rope and ripped out.
  So, maybe AP's saying that the love story is the only the vehicle for describing homophobic outrages.  That would make 'happy endings' an apparent misunderstanding of six months of labor. That could be annoying. Peace.

That is a very perceptive post, Mike, and I think hits the nail on the head.
The story was about homophobia, and AP thinks we didn't get it. Actually we "got it" only too well and saw either our own experiences mirrored there, or in the case of the heterosexual members here, were shown the awful suffering that had been inflicted unwittingly in our name.
It was like a dagger to the heart, and even years later we are changed and upset by it.
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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #927 on: January 26, 2015, 06:30:04 AM »
Thanks for what you've said, Mike and Jess :).
“When we grow older still we’ll speak about those two young men as if they were two strangers..... And we’ll want to call it envy, because to call it regret would break our hearts.”

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Re: Annie Proulx
« Reply #928 on: January 26, 2015, 09:13:00 AM »
Cross posted from Ennis and Jack Relationship II   

That is a very perceptive post, Mike, and I think hits the nail on the head.
The story was about homophobia, and AP thinks we didn't get it. Actually we "got it" only too well and saw either our own experiences mirrored there, or in the case of the heterosexual members here, were shown the awful suffering that had been inflicted unwittingly in our name.
It was like a dagger to the heart, and even years later we are changed and upset by it.


Yep.
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