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Title: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on May 08, 2006, 07:56:55 AM
This is the area to discuss any stories in The Daily Sheet or to make suggestions for anything you would like to see in The Daily Sheet.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on May 08, 2006, 04:55:36 PM
Here is an additional story on the Moscow situation that was reported in TDS:

Moscow Times
May 4, 2006
One Main Reason to Be Scared
By Masha Gessen (a Moscow journalist)

It is probably the most abused quotation of all time: "When they came for the communists, I remained silent; I was not a communist. When they locked up the social democrats, I remained silent; I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists, I did not speak out; I was not a trade unionist. When they came for the Jews, I did not speak out; I was not a Jew. When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out." It is attributed to German Pastor Martin Niemoller, a onetime Hitler supporter who was later imprisoned by the Nazis. The poetic wording probably has only a remote relationship to the pastor's actual words; overall, though, it is a brilliant but little-understood insight into the nature of collaboration.
In the modern world, everybody is a something. In Western democracies, the ability to claim affiliation with a group leads to the useful but annoying phenomenon of identity politics. In Russia today, it endows each of us with her own individual allotment of fear.
I am Jewish and gay. I am also the mother of one (light-haired,
fair-skinned) child who attends a Jewish preschool and one child who has very dark hair and eyes and swarthy skin. I have four reasons to be scared.
How scared are you? Go ahead and count the ways.
That's silly. All of us have exactly one reason to be scared, and we all
have it in common. We live in a city and in a country where people who claim authority -- including God-given authority -- actually say that some human beings do not have the right to exist. To my mind, that is key to any definition of fascism.
Over the last year, various religious leaders have called on their
followers physically to attack gay people. It began when a group of
activists declared their plans to organize a gay pride parade in Moscow in May 2006. Umar Idrisov, the chief Muslim authority in the Nizhny Novgorod region, said Muslims should stone gays if and when they march. Far from reprimanding Idrisov for calling for violence, Russia's head mufti, Talgat
Tadzhuddin, stated that all "normal people, both Muslims and Russian
Orthodox," are going to beat gay people if they come out to march.
Patriarch Alexy II was not quite as crude, but he publicly thanked Mayor Yury Luzhkov for his blatantly illegal refusal to consider the organizers' application for a parade permit. Last month, Metropolitan Kirill cited homosexuality as a chief evil value forced upon Russia by the West. The message was clear: Homosexuals don't just lack the right to march, they don't have the right to exist.
Last weekend, Russian Orthodox religious activists cooperated with radical nationalists to attempt two pogroms at Moscow gay-friendly clubs. Police intervened, with varying degrees of success: According to the management of the club attacked on Sunday night, one of their staff members had to be hospitalized after being hit by flying bottles, eggs and rocks. The following night, young men with shaved heads and older women with religious posters, and their priest, appeared in front of a different gay club, alternately praying, shouting "No fags in Russia!" and "Glory to Russia!" and trying to storm the club.
I could circle back now to Martin Niemoller's famous quote and state that if you don't stand up for gay people because you are not one of us, sooner or later they will come for you. That is true, in most cases, and obvious.
But it's not the point. The point is, we live in a country where religious
and secular authorities openly encourage fascist violence. It's getting to where we risk becoming collaborators by even just recognizing the authority of this president, this mayor, this patriarch and this mufti. And at this point, it really makes no difference what you are anymore.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on May 09, 2006, 07:43:53 AM
Please note that we are aware that the Press Release is not yet posted in the Major Announcement section as TDS states. There's been a slight delay -- and when it is ready, it will be posted there.  Please check for it later.  Sorry for the inconvenience.  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: cabin on May 09, 2006, 09:38:47 AM
Please note that we are aware that the Press Release is not yet posted in the Major Announcement section as TDS states. There's been a slight delay -- and when it is ready, it will be posted there.  Please check for it later.  Sorry for the inconvenience.  Jan

Did somebody confirm that it was the actual librarian who responsde and not some other employee?

cabin
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on May 09, 2006, 11:41:27 AM
In response to the article in today's paper about the Oklahoma Library:  I have just spoken with Ms. Carolyn Blackwelder, Assistant Librarian at the Olive Warner Memorial Library.  I re-iterated the infromation in the story.  She stated that an internal investigation is/will be underway as to who may have sent this e-mail, as several people among the library staff have access to the computer.  I gave her my name and e-mail address and asked her to contact me with the results of the investigation.


Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CellarDweller115 on May 09, 2006, 12:11:51 PM
In response to the article in today's paper about the Oklahoma Library:  I have just spoken with Ms. Carolyn Blackwelder, Assistant Librarian at the Olive Warner Memorial Library.  I re-iterated the infromation in the story.  She stated that an internal investigation is/will be underway as to who may have sent this e-mail, as several people among the library staff have access to the computer.  I gave her my name and e-mail address and asked her to contact me with the results of the investigation.




If the computer is used by mulitple people, if someone has the original email, it might help to forward it to them.  It should have the date and time the email was sent on it, and that may narrow down which employee was using it at that time.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: pylon101 on May 09, 2006, 12:30:52 PM
To: CactusGal

Jan, you have a panic attack.
Calm down.
You are still in the town where nobody locks car doors while driving.

I disagree with you. What you wrote is like an article in "Washington Post". Too much politics, too many conclusions - and complete absence of understanding of the situation in the country.

There were all those demonstrations of crazy old women and neo-Nazi; there was a little clash near "Three Monkeys". There is a big discussion of gays  with the Orthodox Church - I actively take part in it on a couple of Web-sites.

But you are turning this into the Crytall Night in Germany. And this is completely wrong and misleading.

My opinion. I will probably write a more extended posting about the issues arisen. Not today though. Today is the V-Day here.

NICK
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on May 09, 2006, 12:57:27 PM
Nick -- You certainly are entitled to your own opinion but I was the poster -- the course of action is above my pay-grade.  (BTW, you have no idea where I live --  I've spent most of life in the largest cities in the US - although sophistication isn't exclusive to city rats).  jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: pylon101 on May 09, 2006, 12:58:29 PM
Ooops.

I am sorry. I didn't notice that was an article from "Moscow Times" .

So I feel lost if Jan and CactusGal is same person.

Sorry if somebody got offended by mistake.

No offense was meant. And hopefully  - not taken.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on May 09, 2006, 01:16:26 PM
All right, Nick -- apology accepted.  BTW, I posted the story for another member -- we only wanted to start a discussion on the Moscow subject in which we both take an interest.  Since you are very involved, why don't you tell us what is really going on in your opinion.  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: trascendenza on May 09, 2006, 01:17:50 PM
Thanks for the nice little blerb about me!  That was a pleasant surprise, I had no idea that was going to be there. :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on May 09, 2006, 01:19:15 PM
In response to the article in today's paper about the Oklahoma Library:  I have just spoken with Ms. Carolyn Blackwelder, Assistant Librarian at the Olive Warner Memorial Library.  I re-iterated the infromation in the story.  She stated that an internal investigation is/will be underway as to who may have sent this e-mail, as several people among the library staff have access to the computer.  I gave her my name and e-mail address and asked her to contact me with the results of the investigation.

what paper carried a story about the OK library? do you have a link? thanks.

I think it's important that we avoid bombarding them with inquiries at this time. I would like to personally talk to them and clarify a few things. I ask that everyone else please refrain from contacting them for the time being.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on May 09, 2006, 02:50:27 PM
I am in contact with the library and the situation is definitely more complex. I will get back to you with more information soon, hopefully today.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on May 09, 2006, 02:54:15 PM
^ Ok.
I've been angry and blue over the news about that hostile email all day. Tonight I saw BBM again and I couldn't help but thinking it was the deed of people like the ones that [library employee] referred to that Ennis had witnessed as a child.
No young person should have to be terrified like that in 2006. So it's a good thing there will be some kind of response from here. This is what BBM is all about.   
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on May 09, 2006, 10:59:01 PM
Sorry to hear that, Elvan.

I think we have the matter resolved, but it's very sensitive, so I've drafted a response and am running it by the rest of my advisory team before going public with it. I hope to have it up in the morning. Thanks again for everyone's patience.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on May 09, 2006, 11:02:04 PM
Thank you, Dave, and all of your advisory team, for handling this matter so well.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BrokenOkie on May 10, 2006, 07:34:03 AM
Re:  Oklahoma Library

Dave -

Thank you.  That news yesterday hit close to home in more than one way.  You handled the situation with decorum and made a very positive difference. 

Gratefully,
Glenn
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: happycamper on May 10, 2006, 07:35:03 AM
Dave, wonderful outcome regarding the Oklahoma library, and I so liked what you said about opening a conversation. The daily sheet really enhances my visits to this site.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Midwest on May 10, 2006, 07:43:10 AM
Dave,

As someone who lives in a small town in Illinois I know that the reaction of the Librarian was not totally unusual. What surprises me is that so many are so insulated from the reality of life out here that they take the response as a surprise. Our local paper has run several hateful letters to the editor about the movie. My closest neighbors whom are good friends, had the letter cut out and posted on their refrigerator to show agreement. If you attend the local  churches you will hear a stream of hate coming from the pulpit about god didn't make Adam and Steve! Several had lengthy sermons about their dislike for the movie and what it stands for. Being a realist I choose carefully whom I disclose my oriention to. Many are accepting, some are not.

I have seen a lot of changes in my lifetime. I have gone from neighborhoods in the city where gays and straights were openly supportive to the country where being out is still a rarity. I am no different than the others on this forum that have been engulfed by the greatness of this film. But I know that we see it from our eyes, and while I agree that we need the same freedoms as others, I also know that not everyone is going to feel the same. I was among the first to report that Walmart was featuring the films release on posters at the doors. I was surprised at the flood of negative responses to anything having to do with walmart. Like it or not they are a country staple. I saw their support of the movie as a step forward. Only time is going to change attitudes, and the rural areas will be the last to come along. I know that is not acceptable to some, but for most of us who choose the rural lifestyle it comes with the territory. Overcoming conservative Christian values that are ingrained in so many out here is a difficult job, and some will never change.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Bobby19in1963 on May 10, 2006, 11:05:10 AM
Thanx!  The Daily Sheet is my salvation.  It brings me a digest of what I might want to search for that day, when it is impossible to search for everything.

I would like to see an archive of the daily sheets so far and in the future that we could access.  We can remember that, "Oh, yeah, I saw that on the Daily Sheet. Let me look in the archive and find out where the link led me."  If it is possible, that would make it perfect.

This Forum really is a lifeline for so many of us.  Keep up the good work.

Bobby
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: atruant on May 10, 2006, 11:15:44 AM
Dave, great effort on your part to get the 'conversation' going with the Oklahoma library. A cornerstone for further conversations indeed!

Re the Daily Sheet, it's how I start my day on this forum. On reading today's piece on Bookend Scenes, a thought occurred to me. A number of threads seem to have reached a saturation point of interpretation and have become annoyingly repetitive. That's not to say new people shouldn't have a place to work through their own ideas. But I was wondering if anyone has produced a summary of thought on such threads as Were They Gay, Jake's Fate, etc, the hot button ones. It might be an idea to cover these threads one at a time in the Daily Sheet, so people can see the diverse opinion without having to scroll though thousands of posts.

Just a thought!

John 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: blackhatnbeard on May 10, 2006, 11:29:14 AM
Thank you to everone here for this site and for the efforts at the Oklahoma library.  I havent posted here much but love the story, the movie and this site!!  Dave--thank you in particular for your intervention with the library.  You are right, the power of one-on-on contact is unbeatable in this struggle for acceptance.

Secondly ( and this may seem silly but bear me out) we really should get behind Jake for the MTV Movie Awards.  Firstly, its a great way to keep saying Thanks for a breathtaking performance. Also, MTV represents the most sought-after demographic in Hollywood.  Its the silly kind of stuff that freshly scrubbed MBA's in little meeting room in Hollywood look to to predict "bankability".  Jake winning would send a big statement to them.  It does actually matter!

So please go vote-repeatedly!  IHEARTJAKE.Com has confirmed wth MTV that you must vote the full ballot in order for it to count---I know, how boring, but lets just do it and show some love for Jake.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: graylockV on May 10, 2006, 12:00:34 PM
I hope the Oklahoma library honors its pledge to accept - and make available - the DVD.

But if you happen to wander in to that branch someday don't be too shocked if you find the DVD on the top shelf of an "adult material" section, where you need a ladder to reach it.

Sorry if I am cynical, but I know how this kind of stuff plays out.  Some ultra-right winger - and that's most of Oklahoma - will notice the DVD, raise hell about if poisoning the children with the "gay agenda" - and then insist that the DVD be banished, or put someplace where no one will ever find it.

And we will never know about it.

But whatever happens, at least we know we tried to do the right thing.

I hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Alijoon on May 10, 2006, 01:05:17 PM
question.. are the daily sheets archived.

i love love love the may 10th one and would want to come back to it time and again..

someone let me know.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Daphne and Chloe on May 10, 2006, 01:30:20 PM
Yes, thank you for your efforts. I hope that this person, truey in their heart, will think about their words and the impact and harshness they carried. Hopefully in the end it can have an impact on them as it did on us.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: bbm-mmm on May 10, 2006, 03:20:49 PM
Dave,

Thank you thank you thank you.
Thank you for resolving that Oklahoma library situation.
And thank you again for this life-saving forum.

Yes, thank you for your efforts. I hope that this person, truey in their heart, will think about their words and the impact and harshness they carried. Hopefully in the end it can have an impact on them as it did on us.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on May 10, 2006, 03:50:49 PM
Regarding the symbolism primer on today's "Daily Sheet" and the "Bookend Scenes",
DaveL mentions this one:

SPECK ON THE MOUNTAIN – NIGHT FIRE - Both characters …view each other across the vast upland meadows, and visually each appears as a tiny dot or "island" in the distance. 

I loved the following paragraph in Annie Proulx's story where she wrote:
"During the day Ennis looked across a great gulf and sometimes saw Jack, a small dot moving across a high meadow as an insect moves across a tablecloth; Jack, in his dark camp, saw Ennis as night fire, a red spark on the huge black mass of mountain."

I absolutely loved the imagery and meaning of this when I read it and to my utter delight when seeing the movie, the brilliant screenwriters included this tiny "speck" in their screenplay and Ang Lee put it into his movie.  To me, this seemingly overlookable thing in the short story that they found a way to be included in the film is, in my mind, a testament to everyone that they really cared about this and molded it into a work of art.  Even now, when I see these two images in the film (they are reversed from the paragraph and separated a bit by another scene) I am amazed and gratified.  Possibly my two favorite images in the film--the "Speck on the Mountain" (Ennis looking at Jack) and "Night Fire" (Jack looking at Ennis).

Meow.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on May 10, 2006, 04:52:44 PM
question.. are the daily sheets archived.

i love love love the may 10th one and would want to come back to it time and again..

someone let me know.

Hey Alijoon -- so glad you liked that!  The Daily Sheets archiving is a little haphazard at the moment, I suspect Pete is too busy working on the site reorganization to think about this detail.  It will improve in the future.  ANYWAY, if you look under "Forum, Events, Campaigns and News", scan (with eyeballs) down the page and you will see some selections for Daily Sheets, May 1 through 7, something like that.  The weeks are not organized next to each other.

So that is the best way now to look for past issues. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on May 10, 2006, 05:09:44 PM
question.. are the daily sheets archived.


Seems that you can find the other ones in the 'Forum Events, Campaigns and News' thread (above this one). :)


Today, of course, I also want to thank Dave C and everyone involved in resolving the Oklahoma library situation, establishing a constructive discussion. 


Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on May 11, 2006, 08:24:38 AM
thanks for that truck article.  i will thank calgary actory when i see him about the threads.

jack
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on May 11, 2006, 09:09:24 AM
Jack -- glad you enjoyed it and, yes, please say thanks to CalgaryActor -- he's really taken a lot of his time in corresponding with me and I've so appreciated it.   

Wouldn't it be fun to know the history of that old truck?

Jan

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on May 11, 2006, 12:04:17 PM
question.. are the daily sheets archived.

i love love love the may 10th one and would want to come back to it time and again..

someone let me know.

Hey Alijoon -- so glad you liked that!  The Daily Sheets archiving is a little haphazard at the moment, I suspect Pete is too busy working on the site reorganization to think about this detail.  It will improve in the future.  ANYWAY, if you look under "Forum, Events, Campaigns and News", scan (with eyeballs) down the page and you will see some selections for Daily Sheets, May 1 through 7, something like that.  The weeks are not organized next to each other.

So that is the best way now to look for past issues. 

Thanks for asking. We'll have this sorted out very soon, in our re-org. We have added a "Coming Soon: Forum News & Updates" board in the Community section. The Daily Sheet will move here very soon, and we'll make a place for the archived sheets all together. (Probably a child board specifically for them in the News board, but we haven't hashed out all the detailis of that yet. But we will soon.)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on May 11, 2006, 12:23:09 PM
I'm so glad we have this thread now, so that I have a good place to thank the people behind it.

I'll start by thanking Pete for conceiving it and getting it started, and our two wonderful editors, tellyouwhat and cactusgal, who make it happen every day, and continue coming up with new ideas and improvements.

This is one of the coolest things we've added, and I'm really happy to have it, and to have such a great pair of editors. It wouldn't be here every day without the constant efforts of tellyouwhat and cactusgal. Thanks.

And thanks to everyone who has been reading it every day, spreading the word about it and making it such a success. It's great to hear your comments here.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on May 11, 2006, 12:25:04 PM
and let me separately thank everyone who offered such kind words about the situation we had on the DVD campaign. i was really unsure how all that was going to play out, and i felt a little spent after it came to a close, yesterday. the encouraging words definitely helped.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on May 11, 2006, 05:43:09 PM
Dear Daily Sheet.

I've never written to y'all before so I'm very nervous. But I wanted to say thank you for your handling of the situation with the library in Oklahoma. When I read the librarian's response I wondered if it might be someone who was working on issues of their own of some sort. So I'm glad that it seems like it all worked out for the better for everyone.

Thanks for all your good work!

Signed -

Anonymous
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on May 12, 2006, 07:42:05 AM
2 editorial corrections for Friday, May 12:

1 -- "Ellen,  you've given me a great laugh this morning with the Daily Sheet. While I'm sure Jake does inspire some inmates to "bate", the correct euphemism should be "Jail Bait". lol.  (Imjackshesennis)

Wow, I plead innocent, due to ignorance of the law!  Haven't spent enough time around jail bait is my problem.


2 -- NWWaguy's screen name is posted with an extra W.  Sorry about that!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jpq716 on May 12, 2006, 08:33:57 AM
I am glad that serious efforts are now underway to restructure this forum for the long haul. Dave Cullen threw together this board in December to ride the wave of public interest in Brokeback Mountain, never believing --- quite understandably! ---  that the forum would be anything more than an ad hoc arrangement which would pass away in a couple of months. The results of both the film and the forum have astonished us all; we all realize that what Dave brought into existence should stay in existence; and now the necessary alterations are being made. I am very happy to see this, as a forum is only as good as its posters, and some of the posters on this forum are among the most intelligent and articulate posters whom I have ever encountered on the Internet. I am happy that the revamping is taking place, and I wish it the best. I certainly will be around to check on its progress! :D :D :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on May 12, 2006, 02:56:40 PM
The daily sheet is where I start my day. Love it. Couldn't wake up without it. Congrats to all and a very xxx-large thank you, hoping you all fit in.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Meira on May 13, 2006, 06:51:08 AM
I won!!  I won!!  Ok, i just paid the "Buy it Now" price to avoid any mishaps, but "sexy Jake Gyllenhaal" will soon be arriving in my mail, with a place for a lightswitch over his heart - that only I will be allowed to operate!!!  ;)
 Thanks to Karin for posting the Ebay link.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on May 13, 2006, 07:52:53 AM
I won!!  I won!!  Ok, i just paid the "Buy it Now" price to avoid any mishaps, but "sexy Jake Gyllenhaal" will soon be arriving in my mail, with a place for a lightswitch over his heart - that only I will be allowed to operate!!!  ;)
 Thanks to Karin for posting the Ebay link.


Congrats, Meira, you have delivered me from temptation!  ::) ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on May 13, 2006, 09:57:00 AM
I am totally shocked.  I just read the Daily Sheet for today and cannot believe that I was named Volunteer of the Day.  I so love the time I get to spend here that I consider it a privilege.  Now come on over to the diner for a cup of coffee and some good talk.  Just watch the dust, we are doing some renovating. ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: helen_uk on May 14, 2006, 05:11:55 AM
I feel majorly embarrassed now at being featured!!  LOL  Oh my....    (http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a282/roma_uk/smileys/38.gif)

*goes to hide*

Just one thing - I live in the rural north of Buckinghamshire, not the UK.  Bucks is very much in the south!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on May 14, 2006, 09:19:18 AM
lol.  Helen I was going to say, it's not enough to be featured, but you have to rebutt to it as well???

Don't be embarassed.  You've been a major asset to the forum whether you know it or not.

I think it's great.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: helen_uk on May 14, 2006, 11:25:50 AM
Don't be embarassed.  You've been a major asset to the forum whether you know it or not.

I think it's great.

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on May 15, 2006, 05:59:29 AM
to the kind powers that be.. please note that in the international section (cross posted to the crackerbarrel if you can't find it  ;) ) is a request for help from a spanish BBM afficianado.  perhaps you might want to broadcast that.

turns out i still had it on my clipboard.. here...,

Hi, 
We need your help!

It's official. Universal Pictures in Spain will edit only the Full Frame Brokeback Mountain version´s film and not the Widescreen option.

This unfortunately Universal Pictures´ decision means that Spain will be the only one country in the world where the Widescreen version of the movie will not appears.

It is necessary that everybody sends  a complaint to  info@universalpicturesiberia.es    protesting on this serious fact.

Also through the Web site http://www.universalpicturesiberia.es/ , link "Contacto".

Perhaps between all, Universal Pictures Spain will realize about the mistake that means his decision.

People talks about at:


http://www.zonadvd.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4987 (in spanish)
 
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.zonadvd.com%2Fmodules.php%3Fname%3DNews%26file%3Darticle%26sid%3D4987&langpair=es%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8    (Google translation)

 
Best Regards
 
Salva

Barcelona

PSD:I'm sorry for my poor Google-translate-English
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on May 15, 2006, 07:18:03 AM
Thanks, Jack -- You know we're always up to help a good BBM cause!  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: bbm-mmm on May 16, 2006, 07:04:09 AM
we wanted to start a discussion on the Moscow subject.  tell us what is really going on.  Jan

Russian gays press ahead with plans for rights march
    MOSCOW, May 15, 2006 (Combined reports) - Russian gay activists said Monday they were determined to hold Moscow's first ever gay rights march later this month despite trenchant opposition, and called on President Vladimir Putin to join the protest.
   "We officially informed the Moscow mayor's office on Monday morning of our intention to organise a march on May 27 (the 13th anniversary of the decriminalization of homosexuality in Russia) to defend the rights of sexual minorities in Russia and, whatever the response from the authorities, we will hold this march," Nikolai Alexeyev, who runs the site gayrussia.ru, said at a news conference.
   The Russian Orthodox Church, several members of parliament and Moscow's powerful mayor, Yury Luzhkov, have already expressed their opposition to the event. Earlier this year, the Mayor's Office said the parade could not take place because the proposed event had "evoked outrage in society, in particular among religious leaders."
   In an open letter to Putin, gay rights activists also invited the Russian leader to take part in the event and asked him to put an end to widespread discrimination in the country.
   "Mister President! We call on you ... to stop sexual discrimination and a violation of our rights to protest," the letter said.
   "We invite you to take part in this International Day Against Homophobia event," it added.
   Homosexuality was considered a crime until 1993 and classified as a mental illness until 1999.
   Some 2,000 activists, including Merlin Holland, the grandson of British author Oscar Wilde, and French pop star Desireless, are due to take part in the rally in central Moscow later this month.
   According to a recent poll by the independent Levada centre, 37 percent of Russians believe that gays should be prosecuted and 45 percent are against homosexuality.
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European rights body slams Russia over gay attacks
   STRASBOURG, May 15, 2006 - The Council of Europe Monday condemned Russia over attacks on homosexuals and called on the authorities to prosecute those responsible.
   "I strongly condemn the recent violent incidents against gays and lesbians in Moscow, and I call on the authorities to investigate these attacks, prosecute the people responsible for them, and prevent any such violence in the future," said Terry Davis, secretary general of the 46-member organisation, Europe's chief human rights body.
   "This is particularly important in view of the series of events currently being organised by the Russian gay and lesbian community to raise awareness about the difficult situation in which they live," he said.
   "They are entitled to call for full and unequivocal respect for their basic rights and freedoms."
   "The violent homophobic protests in recent weeks were neither isolated nor spontaneous," said Davis.
   "They have taken place against the background of a sustained campaign against the rights of gay and lesbian citizens. It is regrettable that several people who should normally be the first to speak out against such blatant injustice, have decided instead to endorse and actively support homophobic ideas."
   Nationalists and Orthodox Church faithful have opposed the gay pride march and earlier this month besieged a gay club as police stood by.
   The mayor of Moscow Yury Luzhkov justified his opposition to the march on the grounds that "most people oppose these public expressions of sexual tendencies."
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on May 16, 2006, 07:25:46 AM
Thanks, BBM for posting.  I'm not sure what the Council for Europe is actually responsible for.  Is there still talk of suing in the  European Court of Human Rights?   Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on May 16, 2006, 07:57:52 AM
I hope it's okay for a co-editor to respond to TDS - thanks for the Annie Proulx story, it's great to know she is speaking out against conformity in politics.  Tell you what, she is my role model.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: DCLuke on May 16, 2006, 08:22:45 AM
I hope it's okay for a co-editor to respond to TDS - thanks for the Annie Proulx story, it's great to know she is speaking out against conformity in politics.  Tell you what, she is my role model.

I was thrilled to meet with Annie Proulx and happy to share the details of my encounter with her.  Meeting Annie will certainly be one of the highlights of the year for me. I know that she was quite pleased to learn about our existence and some of the projects that we have been working on.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on May 16, 2006, 09:04:52 AM
Thanks, tellyouwhat, I never turn down praise!  It was an honor to put that story in with DCLuke -- he did a GREAT job of writing about it.   Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: samsung on May 16, 2006, 11:19:25 AM
Curious as to why Slate was chosen for the Best Picture ad.  It's a rightwing flame site that ragged on BM for months.  Shouldn't it be placed where at least some might appreciate it?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on May 17, 2006, 10:36:04 AM
I have been to the Slate home page several times since yesteday morning, looking for our ad.  Never have seen it.  Was it for yesterday only?  What is the deal, please?  Where else in Slate might I see it?
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Post by: jack on May 17, 2006, 11:18:49 AM
I have been to the Slate home page several times since yesteday morning, looking for our ad.  Never have seen it.  Was it for yesterday only?  What is the deal, please?  Where else in Slate might I see it?
oh good.  it wasn't only me.  i suspect <??> it might require patience ??

jack
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on May 17, 2006, 12:33:15 PM
Paintedshoes -- I'm sure one of the Ad team can give you the details -- but Ned told me that the ads are placed throughout the SLATE site -- that's why we chose to put several in TDS so that folks could more easily see them.  Also, I know that our ad on the front page is up periodically, yesterday I refreshed through their other ads to see ours.  Hope this helps until someone more knowledgeable comes along!  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on May 17, 2006, 08:28:02 PM
Thanks, Jan.  I'll keep checking.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on May 18, 2006, 02:48:30 AM
Jack is right. Slate does require patience. Sometimes, I have to refresh a number of times before I see one of our ads. Our ads appear on all pages, just intermittent with a great number of other ad campaigns.

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Garry_LH on May 18, 2006, 11:00:39 PM
Don't know if this will be of interest.
http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2006/05/17/2

It looks like as public opinion is swinging towards the idea gay folks should have the right to marriage, or at least it's legal equivalent, the far right is changing tactics again. Looks like we're going to see a lot more of protect our children from gay marriage. Maybe I'm just getting old, but every time I'm around folks that get whacked out about saving their children from the latest boogy man, the hair crawls up the back of my neck with the feeling of, 'what are you doing to your kids you aren't owning up to?'
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on May 19, 2006, 12:40:05 PM
Curious as to why Slate was chosen for the Best Picture ad.  It's a rightwing flame site that ragged on BM for months.  Shouldn't it be placed where at least some might appreciate it?

I personally don't know anything about SLATE,
but it seems this question deserves a response...

?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on May 19, 2006, 12:45:45 PM
...the far right is changing tactics again. Looks like we're going to see a lot more of protect our children from gay marriage.

One thing, just throw it back at them by inserting or substituting words in their
reasoning, such as:

Protect our "gay" children from gay marriage.
Protect our children from "inter-racial" marriage.
etc.

Besides, it amuses one to do it as well...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on May 19, 2006, 12:54:59 PM
Curious as to why Slate was chosen for the Best Picture ad.  It's a rightwing flame site that ragged on BM for months.  Shouldn't it be placed where at least some might appreciate it?

I personally don't know anything about SLATE,
but it seems this question deserves a response...?
i have  sneaking feeling that the writer here, samsung has confused slate with another publication altogether, or i missed a whole lot of "right wing flaming". i am not a regular reader, but any time i have read articles they always seemed well left of center.  i just always found it a bit fussy or pretentious.

jack.   
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on May 19, 2006, 01:22:18 PM
I hope it's okay for a co-editor to respond to TDS - thanks for the Annie Proulx story, it's great to know she is speaking out against conformity in politics.  Tell you what, she is my role model.

of course it is.

and i was also really happy to see the annie story, luke. i asked pete to put it on the top of the newsbox the minute i heard. (which i'm sure he would have anyway.)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on May 19, 2006, 01:29:18 PM
Curious as to why Slate was chosen for the Best Picture ad.  It's a rightwing flame site that ragged on BM for months.  Shouldn't it be placed where at least some might appreciate it?
i have  sneaking feeling that the writer here, samsung has confused slate with another publication altogether, or i missed a whole lot of "right wing flaming". i am not a regular reader, but any time i have read articles they always seemed well left of center.  i just always found it a bit fussy or pretentious.

jack.   

thanks, jack.

i'm guessing that's the problem, too. mistaken identity sounds like the most reasonable explanation.

slate has lots of writers with lots of viewpoints, but in general, they are definitely a lefty magazine. and i've never heard them called a flame site. they're one of the most respected magazines in the country these days, web or print. there are two web magazines with reputations far above the rest of the pack: slate and salon. slate has a much bigger readership (ever since salon went to a paid-access model), so we went with slate. it is considered daily required reading in a lot of circles, right along with the new york times.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on May 19, 2006, 01:32:22 PM
Paintedshoes -- I'm sure one of the Ad team can give you the details -- but Ned told me that the ads are placed throughout the SLATE site -- that's why we chose to put several in TDS so that folks could more easily see them.  Also, I know that our ad on the front page is up periodically, yesterday I refreshed through their other ads to see ours.  Hope this helps until someone more knowledgeable comes along!  Jan

exactly. we bought 1,343,750 impressions, but they are spread out over time, to maximize effectiveness. (a regular slate reader may read 3-5 stories there a day or more, and perhaps click on a few more to check them out. we don't want him/her to see our ad half a dozen times or more one after the other. we want it to keep appearing day after day, and to keep hitting different people.)

i can't remember the length of time it's likely to stay in rotation. pete?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on May 19, 2006, 03:04:53 PM
They think we should use up our impressions within three weeks. It has very high readership.

As Dave said, Slate is fairly left of center. I think their readership is one very in tune with the values of BBM.

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on May 19, 2006, 03:18:25 PM
Thank you, Dave and Pete, for the info on the ad.

Modified:  I just went to Slate and SAW the ad for the first time.  It is awesome.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on May 19, 2006, 03:38:25 PM
Great news today about the completed site re-organization! My thanks to everyone involved.

I also really liked the segment about "Forum Entertains Troops in Iraq with Quit//No Quit". What a fantastic, important and endearing story.
(Not knowing anybody in the troops over in Iraq, and being a bit Jaked up lately, I couldn't help but picturing the Jarhead characters sit around and debate this.... ;))   
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: davideo321 on May 22, 2006, 08:29:44 PM
Bravo, brava, bravi, bravissimi! Go away for awhile, answering the call of activism, and log back onto to a site that just keeps on refining and a campaign that keeps on evolving, and a consciousness that just keeps on expanding, and I start to cry. It inexplicably gives me such hope, in so many directions, and it's deeply humbling. Bless this forum and them who administer it, and all who contribute to what done sprung up here. (sound of two hands clapping wildly) :) :'(  :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on May 23, 2006, 02:12:07 PM
Today's Daily Sheet has an update on all of the current campaigns underway on this forum, with the conspicuous absence of any word about the academy/homophobia campaign, although there's been some good and active discussion about it, specifically by forum members TomS (the 1st member profile featured on the Saturday's Daily Sheet), Dan Wentzel and Guardian.

Just yesterday "Guardian" wrote:

"PeteinPortland (our moderator) –
We haven’t heard from you in a while.  Are you moved by our observations?  Has it affected your thinking?  Has Dave Cullen been following this discussion?  Could either one of you jump in here and give us your views.  I know your initial response was not supportive of immediately taking on the Academy – or even taking them on at all.  But perhaps our debate has changed your mind." 

Perhaps if nothing is to be done in this area, we should close this particular campaign, as
those of us continuing our thoughts and observations may be wasting our time without any direction...

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on May 23, 2006, 02:20:58 PM
Today's Daily Sheet has an update on all of the current campaigns underway on this forum, with the conspicuous absence of any word about the academy/homophobia campaign

Mooska -- Of course, Pete/Dave can (and I'm sure will) speak for themselves, but I suspect that Pete thought that by addressing the Ad campaign, he was updating the academy campaign.  I think there is still interest on member's parts to do something just before either award nominations or the Academy Awards themselves -- at least I'm interested in that -- although, its not completely clear to me just exactly what our course of action should be.  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on May 23, 2006, 11:44:36 PM
I hope it's okay for a co-editor to respond to TDS - thanks for the Annie Proulx story, it's great to know she is speaking out against conformity in politics.  Tell you what, she is my role model.

I was thrilled to meet with Annie Proulx and happy to share the details of my encounter with her. Meeting Annie will certainly be one of the highlights of the year for me. I know that she was quite pleased to learn about our existence and some of the projects that we have been working on.
What an  meeting for you to have! I read your story about  meeting Annie at that event and she certainly does seem to have been one Fascinating Woman. I wonder if she has always been such a firecracker. Because that's what she seemed like, a quiet firecracker with class! From your description she really WAS the highlight of that dinner, honest, open, fearless. There is nothing on earth like an older woman with passion and BRAINS....
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Garry_LH on May 24, 2006, 12:16:30 AM
There is an online petition for Clergy opposed to the constitutional protect marriage from gay folk amendment. Might be worth checking out and passing on to your minister.
http://www.planetout.com/news/article.html?2006/05/23/2
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on May 24, 2006, 01:31:54 AM
Today's Daily Sheet has an update on all of the current campaigns underway on this forum, with the conspicuous absence of any word about the academy/homophobia campaign

The initial part of that campaign has been over for some time (sending a letter to the Academy). However, every once in awhile a member wants contact info for AMPAS which is part of our reason for leaving that campaign thread open. We also feel there is a valid and good discussion going on there. While there may not be actions discussed as of yet that we feel warrant the forum's involvement, one never knows what ideas may come of such a in depth conversation.

Perhaps we should archive that thread soon. Thanks for the suggestion.

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: nova on May 24, 2006, 07:26:20 AM

I'm not sure I understand the entry in the Tuesday, May 23 Daily Sheet, about Fan Fiction.  Does the story Taking Chances by Louisev actually exist somewhere, is it currently being written, or is the whole entry in the Daily Sheet just fiction?  I must be missing something. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: DCLuke on May 24, 2006, 08:13:40 AM
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What an  meeting for you to have! I read your story about  meeting Annie at that event and she certainly does seem to have been one Fascinating Woman. I wonder if she has always been such a firecracker. Because that's what she seemed like, a quiet firecracker with class! From your description she really WAS the highlight of that dinner, honest, open, fearless. There is nothing on earth like an older woman with passion and BRAINS....
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Annie is indeed a classy woman and meeting her was the highlight of my evening at the dinner.  Heck, it will probably be one of the top highlights of my entire year.  My mother told me that she printed the picture of me with Annie and has it pinned to her bulletin board. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on May 24, 2006, 08:20:41 AM

I'm not sure I understand the entry in the Tuesday, May 23 Daily Sheet, about Fan Fiction.  Does the story Taking Chances by Louisev actually exist somewhere, is it currently being written, or is the whole entry in the Daily Sheet just fiction?  I must be missing something. 


Here is the link to her LiveJournal where her story is posted: http://louisev.livejournal.com/

Hope this helps.  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: nova on May 24, 2006, 09:17:07 AM

Jan,

Thanks for the link to Louisev's live journal.  That's exactly what I needed.

nova20194
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on May 24, 2006, 10:41:19 AM
Oops Slate has updated their link (5/24 funny of the day) but the good news is-- I described yesterday's cartoon in enough detail so you can imagine it from TDS, and if you click on the link you will see another cartoon re Da Vinci code.  So actually two funnies of the day.  Enjoy
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on May 24, 2006, 03:31:25 PM
Today's Daily Sheet has an update on all of the current campaigns underway on this forum, with the conspicuous absence of any word about the academy/homophobia campaign

The initial part of that campaign has been over for some time (sending a letter to the Academy).
... While there may not be actions discussed as of yet that we feel warrant the forum's involvement, one never knows what ideas may come of such a in depth conversation.

Perhaps we should archive that thread soon. Thanks for the suggestion.

Pete

Pete, the ideas from the conversations on that thread are some of the best on this forum and maybe a different thread should be started for it--or merge it with the awards aftermath thread.

As for "there may not be actions discussed that we feel warrant the forum's involvement", well, if not US (the forum and members) then who?  NO ONE is dealing with the things we are discussing there.  Not the general press, the gay press, etc.  No one.  If not us, who?  If not now, when?


Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on May 26, 2006, 09:10:20 AM
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brokeback_1 wrote:--A homesick young soldier from  Wyoming with internet access stumbled across a  link to the Forum. Knowing nothing about Brokeback Mountain, he  checked out the site and found the debate. When his friends asked what  he was looking at, he said it appeared to be an online war. Pressed for further details, he explained that it seemed to be a debate between two opposing camps bitterly arguing whether or not one fictional gay cowboy had left  the other fictional gay cowboy in the film Brokeback Mountain. 

After doubting his sanity several soldiers checked it out for themselves. Before many days had elapsed 5 or 6 of the younger soldiers in his unit were following the posts, augmented with information collected from various sources and a copy of the short story from the original collection, sent along with many other books by someone's relatives.  Straight boys all, without ever seeing the film, had begun to debate it among themselves.

Soon, one could hear  heated conversations in the streets of Baghdad, with lines like "I can't see the Texan just walking out after 20 years,"  and  "Why did he STAY 20 years, I'm glad he walked!"  My personal  favorite?  "We could use Ennis in this unit."

But perhaps the finest line  was spoken by one of these young soldiers while on patrol in Baghdad, dodging street bombs: "Baghdad, I wish I could quit YOU!"

I am constantly amazed by the things I read on this site.  Just when I thought there was nothing else about BBM that could surprise me, I read this post and the hair stood up on the back of my neck.  Maybe there is hope for the human race after all.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on May 26, 2006, 09:34:10 AM
WLAGuy, I 2nd that!  What an amazing piece on the soldiers in Iraq!  Thanks, Daily Sheet!!    :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on May 26, 2006, 01:16:06 PM
Thanks to everyone who responded to that story, I stand by it.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on May 27, 2006, 04:29:52 AM
This wonderful story was brought to us by brokeback_1 who is actually related to one of the soldiers who told all of this to him (his brother's nephew). In some ways, the story sounds too good to be true, so it is very exciting that brokeback_1 was actually able to give us all of the details and verify all of this for us.

A big thanks to one of our Daily Sheet Editors, tellyouwhat, for following up on this and bringing it all to our attention.

I know there is some discussion about maybe putting together a care package for these Brokeback Baghdad soldiers to show we are thinking of them. We will be sure to give you all the details as they develop.

Thanks again to everyone involved with this wonderful story.

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on May 27, 2006, 10:07:29 AM
I'm guessing one or two of the soldiers might have a portable DVD player, so a few copies of the BBM DVD would probably get a lot of use. 
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Post by: bbm-mmm on May 27, 2006, 03:56:56 PM
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For those interested in the situation developing in Moscow, here is an update:
Part 1:

Russian Police Attack Activists, Disrupt Banned Moscow Gay March
  MOSCOW, May 27, 2006 (Special to davecullen.com) -- Several hundred Russian OMON special anti-riot police detachments, as well as groups of Russian nationalists, militant Russian Orthodox believers and neo-fascists attacked local and foreign gay rights activists in Moscow Saturday, disrupting the Russian capital's first ever planned -- and banned -- gay rights march.
  Police arrested more than 120 people, mainly gay activists, including 28-year-old Nikolai Alexeyev, leader of the gay rights organization GayRussia, as he and other supporters attempted to approach the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Alexandrovsky Gardens near the Kremlin -- one of Russia's most sacred and honored places -- to lay flowers in a symbolic protest equating the fight for gay rights with the war against Nazi Germany.
  The gay activists were outnumbered at least twofold by men and women carrying Russian Orthodox icons and chanting "Moscow is not Sodom."
   As a hundred nationalist youths, some wearing clinical face-masks -- apparently to guard their identity -- chanted "Glory to Russia!", several trampled on a rainbow-colored ribbon -- a symbol of gay rights -- into the ground.
  "This is a perverts' parade," said one Christian protester holding an icon of the Madonna, a woman who gave only her first name, Irina. "This is filth, which is forbidden by God. We have to cleanse the world of this filth."
  Police closed the gates to the park where the eternal flame burns under the Kremlin walls, and a large group of Christian Orthodox women singing hymns, together with a group of shaven-headed nationalists, many dressed in black, tried to charge into the gay activists as they arrived at the park gates.
  "The entrance to the park was closed when we got there and there was a crowd of people outside, what most people would call neo-fascists," said Robert Wintemute, a professor at King's College in London and one of the foreign gay activists who took part in the protest.
   "There was a scuffle and then I saw police taking Nikolai Alexeyev away and putting him in a police van. After that, neo-fascist thugs started running wild here and there. Thugs kicked Merlin Holland, the grandson of Oscar Wilde. I've never seen such things," Wintemute said.
  "This is a great victory, an absolute victory -- look at what's happening," Alexeyev said as he was dragged, bent almost double, away from the gates by two policemen.
  Volker Beck, a gay German member of parliament who attended the rally, had blood on his face after being punched in the face. Images of Beck, a leader of the Greens party and a prominent gay rights leader, being hit in the face were broadcast by German television.
  "I was attacked," Beck said. "It was a stone and a fist. It shows we're not safe in this country. The security forces did not protect us but instead prevented us from retreating. We were left without any protection."
  “It is inadmissible that police wouldn’t protect peaceful gays and lesbians from hooligans,” he said.
  Volker Eichler, a gay activist from Berlin who witnessed the beating, said police did not intervene. He said Beck had been giving an interview to a television crew when about 20 nationalist youths surrounded him and pummeled him, bloodying his nose.
  "What happened today unfortunately is representative of the non-respect for human rights in Russia. You can't express your point of view, and you are not protected from extremists," said French gay activist Sebastien Maria.
  Philippe Lasnier, who was heading a delegation from the office of Paris Mayor Bertrand Delanoe, was briefly arrested.
  Russia's official Itar-Tass news agency, citing a police official, reported that the deputy mayor of an unidentified German city had been detained together with other foreign gay activists taking part in the rally.
  Alexeyev had invited gay activists from all across Europe to the march, the culmination of three days of events that were a first Russian attempt to hold a Gay Pride festival like those in Western cities.
  "We came here to lay flowers at this anti-fascist memorial, but the mayor is so terrified of us that he took the step of ordering the gates closed," said Peter Tatchell from the British gay rights group OutRage.
  "As soon as we arrived we were set upon by fascist gangs and police. Today is a great shame for Russia because a peaceful protest has been suppressed," he said. "Both the authorities and the fascists had the same objective -- to suppress the Moscow gay pride," Tatchell said.
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Post by: bbm-mmm on May 27, 2006, 03:58:45 PM
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Part 2 - Moscow

Regular Moscow city police reinforcements backed by hundreds of OMON anti-riot troops tracked gay activist protesters and hundreds of nationalists ranging from "skinheads" -- young Russian nationalists who have grown in number in recent years and have been behind a series of attacks on foreign students -- to members of Cossack and Orthodox Slav groups along Tverskaya street, a main avenue in Moscow within walking distance of the Kremlin and Red Square.
  At one point, police had formed a line between the two sides, but a group of skinheads rushed toward the gay activists.
  Their faces masked, they threw flares as they ran, but OMON riot police stopped them and dragged them to waiting buses, as passers-by outside the parliament building looked on in disbelief.
  There were minor scuffles at various places on the street, including outside the State Duma, the lower chamber of Russia's parliament. Reporters at the scene said the confrontation between the gay activists and their opponents included aggressive posturing and shouting of insults such as "Moscow is not Sodom" by the hardline nationalist supporters.
   But bands of skinheads attacked the gay rights activists in front of the mayor's office, disrupting a plan to leave a letter protesting the ban on the gay pride march.
   Besides the arrest of the gay activists, police detained dozens of young nationalists, in some cases putting them in the same detention centers.
  At the same time, policemen in Bolshaya Dmitrovka Street, near the Bolshoi Theatre, blocked a group of 150 neo-fascists who were heading for the mayor's office intent on clashing with the gay activists. They were asked to leave, and nobody in this group was detained.
   Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov had banned gay activists from holding a parade in the city center, a decision supported by Russian religious groups and religious leaders of all faiths, and upheld by a court where it was challenged on Friday.
  “I believe that such a parade is inadmissible in our country above all for moral considerations,” Luzhkov said, stressing that “people should not make public their deviations in the sphere of organization of life and sex.”
  The Moscow mayor admitted that his decision to ban the gay parade “caused a storm of publications in the Western press, severely criticising the actions of the Mayor’s Office.”
  “However, I said at once that we would not even consider a possibility of holding such a parade,” he said. Luzhkov claimed that 99 percent of Muscovites had supported the ban.
  "As long as I am mayor, we will not permit these parades to be conducted," he said.
  Protest organizers had said they would try to hold two demonstrations in defiance of the ban.
  "Homophobia is part of the larger problem of xenophobia" in Russia today, Alexeyev said at a news conference ahead of the march.
  "This country defeated fascism and today it is again on the rise," he said.
  "We are conducting a peaceful action. We want to show that we have the same rights as other citizens," Alexeyev said, noting that by banning the march, the city government had broken the law. Russia's Constitution guarantees the right of assembly to all citizens.
  In his decision to prohibit the parade, Luzhkov had said such a march was morally "inadmissible" because people should not publicly display their "deviations in the sphere of organization of life and sex". Other city officials called the gay rights march an "outrage to society."
  The issue of the gay rights march has split Moscow's gay community, many of whom say that Russian society is still too conservative and that a parade would only provoke more violence from skinheads and radical groups. Some activists said the march only risked inflaming Russia's widespread intolerance of homosexuality, and wished Alexeyev had chosen a less direct way to protest against discrimination and homophobia.
  Homosexuality was decriminalized in Russia in 1993  -- Saturday being the 13th anniversary of the decree's adoption -- and although some gay clubs exist in big cities, same-sex couples almost never make a public display of their affections.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on May 27, 2006, 04:33:14 PM
BBM-MMM -- We so appreciate you taking the time to post this detailed account of what occurred today.  I've been watching Moscow Times.com and gotten almost no info.  It certainly is an appalling situation -- thanks for letting us know.  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on May 27, 2006, 04:38:56 PM
There is an error in today's (Sat) TDS -- credit was given to the wrong person for the photo capture.  It should have gone to tfmisc    Sorry, tfmisc!  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: DCLuke on May 27, 2006, 06:08:52 PM
Bbm-mmm, thank you for the update on the situation in Moscow.  I will be writing a letter to the Russian ambassador (he lives blocks from me!).  I had been considering a 2007 trip to Russia, but that is out of the question now. 

If any of my fellow Americans wish to join me in writing a letter to the Russian Ambassador, his contact information is as follows:

Ambassador Yuri V. Ushakov
Embassy of the Russian Federation
2650 Wisconsin Ave., NW
Washington, DC  20007
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: TwistsBitch on May 29, 2006, 08:52:52 AM
The webcam link is stunning - thanks.  I clicked on a link from it & found out about mountain top weddings. 

http://www.kunelius.com/index.html

http://www.kunelius.com/casual.html

Imagine getting married on "Brokeback".  I've been engaged for about 5 years & so far have been uninspired to organise a wedding, but this has got me thinking...

TB
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on May 29, 2006, 09:17:29 AM
I can't believe my eyes teared up when I saw the mountain webcam. :'(
Thanks for ruining my day....!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on May 30, 2006, 06:56:39 AM
The webcam link is stunning - thanks.  I clicked on a link from it & found out about mountain top weddings. 

http://www.kunelius.com/index.html

http://www.kunelius.com/casual.html

Imagine getting married on "Brokeback".  I've been engaged for about 5 years & so far have been uninspired to organise a wedding, but this has got me thinking...

TB

TB, that is really exciting!  I'm glad you were inspired.

John John, isn't it amazing how the mountain grabs you.  I love the way the view changes with the time of day and updates. 

Courage.  Our lives after Brokeback require courage.  (French pronunciation - a tad more dramatic.)


Ellen
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: wiley on May 31, 2006, 04:59:35 PM
tellyouwhat's Daily Sheet (5/31) is just great. I don't think there is life "after" Brokeback because it gets integrated or assimilated into our consciousness, our selves. It's changed everything and there's no going back.

Come to think of it, I don't think there is a "before" Brokeback either because , as amdaz said: [I've seen it] “16 times (at this writing)…Tell you what... I have been waiting to see this movie all my life." We all knew it was there. It just took a long, long time to arrive.

I'm looking forward to the BBQ in August.

Thanks for a great sheet!

Mark (Wiley)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on May 31, 2006, 08:40:45 PM
I don't think there is life "after" Brokeback because it gets integrated or assimilated into our consciousness, our selves. It's changed everything and there's no going back.


Wiley, thank you for reading, and thank you for answering my question!  I was beginning to suspect as much.

I will be glad to see you at the Texas BBQ.

Ellen (tellyouwhat)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on June 02, 2006, 11:11:53 AM
This week might be the best week ever for The Daily Sheet! Tellyouwhat (Ellen) and Cactusgal (Jan) spend a great amount of time to put out this awesome feature for our site.

A great big thanks to them. Excellent work!

Also, a big thanks to Sharyn, the Editorial Assistant, and the many contributors. Thank you all!

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on June 02, 2006, 06:08:50 PM
I now start my day, not with reading "The Washington Post", as I have done for 40 years, but by reading "The Daily Sheet'.  My priorities are finally correct.  Thank you to all the staff.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on June 03, 2006, 04:37:39 AM
The Jack interview in today's TDS!!  :-* :-* :-* :-* ! I'm so glad he was in the sheet. It's funny, I was actually thinking about Jack yesterday thinking I really should pm him about how much I appreciate his posts because they're often witty and always caring. Now is a good opportunity as ever to say it out loud instead. :)

I also enjoyed the part about the Brits 100 page celebration. :D ... I think I know who represents the Oops part. ;D

Thanks to everyone who works with the Daily Sheet!  :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CellarDweller115 on June 03, 2006, 01:18:56 PM
Thanks to everyone who works on the Daily Sheet. 

I read it every day!   :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mcnell1120 on June 03, 2006, 09:28:15 PM
I can't believe my eyes teared up when I saw the mountain webcam. :'(
Thanks for ruining my day....!!

(((HUGS JOHN)))).............there...there...it's alright

Nellie  :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: rickpouch on June 04, 2006, 01:08:59 AM
Like paintedshoes, I also like starting my day with the daily sheet.
I've been on this forum since December and have enjoyed so many threads---But the daily sheet kick-starts it all at the beginning of the day.
A special thank-you to all the editors and contibutors as well.

Rich (Chicago)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on June 04, 2006, 07:48:49 AM
This is a bit picky, but since our medium is, in fact, the written word you can't be too picky, IMO.  The Daily Sheet refers to the Marquis of Queensbury rules.  It is in fact the Marquess of Queensbury.  Marquis is the French spelling of a similar title held by the Englishman, the Marquess of Queensbury.  Just an FYI.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: bbm-mmm on June 04, 2006, 09:14:13 AM
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MTV Movies Awards--They Love Our Little Darlin

Well, the rest of the world agrees with us. That kiss between Jake and Heath was pretty darn hot! Jake and Heath won for Best Kiss at the MTV Movie Awards. The awards were handed out last night and will air on June 8th (and repeatedly after that for the next month). As the news is everywhere, and it is four days until the awards air, we felt safe to bring our forum members the much anticipated news.

Jake was present to accept the award for best kiss. Here is what he had to say:

“This is a real honor, not just for me and Heath but for all of you, that you picked this movie and this kiss over all the other ones.” 

Awww. Thank you Jake. You just made the crowd at Eyelashes love you even more (if that is even possible).

Even better, Jake also won for Best Performance, beating out Reese Witherspoon among others.

All-in-all, it was a good night for Brokeback Mountain as the younger generation showed the rest of the world how important our movie is to them and how that special kiss and these special performances deserve to be recognized.

For more information, you can check out the MSNBC article on the awards:

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/13124173/


This is wonderful news for BBM, and for Jake's and Heath's careers, and for their fans! Thanks to the Daily Sheet for pointing out the results.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: bbm-mmm on June 04, 2006, 09:15:45 AM
I now start my day, not with reading "The Washington Post", as I have done for 40 years, but by reading "The Daily Sheet'.  My priorities are finally correct.  Thank you to all the staff.

What a nice thing to say. And how true, for many, I'm sure.  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on June 04, 2006, 10:57:51 AM
This is a bit picky, but since our medium is, in fact, the written word you can't be too picky, IMO.  The Daily Sheet refers to the Marquis of Queensbury rules.  It is in fact the Marquess of Queensbury.  Marquis is the French spelling of a similar title held by the Englishman, the Marquess of Queensbury.  Just an FYI.

Thanks, twistedboy, I was wondering about that (having heard it pronounced with the hard s sound by everyone, including John Wayne in "The Quiet Man.")  But I figured it was a mispronunciation.  Well, no point in blaming anybody else, when in doubt quote trivia and change the subject!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on June 05, 2006, 01:37:34 PM
When I saw today's Daily Sheet and the photo of the Northern Mockingbird (state bird of Texas) in honor of "Jack", it reminded me of the film To Kill a Mockingbird, which I saw a couple weeks ago.
Does anyone have a copy of the book or film?  There is a passage  where Scout describes the effects of killing a mockingbird and relates it to the taking of a human life.  It seems to me that beautiful prose would relate to Jack's demise.  If someone could post that I think it would be nice.

By the way, when Jake Gyllenhaal was a guest on the Tonight Show, he mentioned that a fan of Brokeback Mountain had sent to him, as a gift, a signed first edition of To Kill a Mockingbird.  Maybe the fan had connected these thoughts together as well.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on June 05, 2006, 01:52:00 PM
^Gaah, I just began reading "To Kill A Mockingbird" the other day so I'm not there yet with that quote you refer to. (I'm sure somebody else could find it, though.)
About Jake and this book, I've read here and there that it is said to be one of his favourite books (and that his dogs are named after the characters Atticus and Boo Radley...?).

About today's Daily Sheet, really great news about new films for Heath and Jake!

I also loved the Post of The Day. Really great expression that we're like one person in here.

 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: garyd on June 05, 2006, 02:10:01 PM
I a pretty sure the quote is: "Remember , it is a sin to kill a mockingbird", and it comes somewhere around chapter 10 or 11.  Scout remembers Atticus telling her that but she is not sure what it means.  She asks the lady next or door, or across the street.  It ends up being one of the major themes of the book about how it is the responsibility of society to protect the innocent and vulnerable as symbolised by Tom and Boo and, of course, in several other ways (saving the roly poly bug). 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jayhill on June 05, 2006, 07:27:10 PM
Today's daily sheet lists September 22, 2006, as the release date for Jake's "Zodiac."  I'm hoping this is correct---can't get here too soon for me. However, on www.comingsoon.net the release date is now posted as November 22, the day before Thanksgiving (they earlier had the September date).  There was some talk about the release date being pushed back to November in order to be nearer the awards season, since November and December are traditionally the release months for "serious" films that harbor Oscar ambitions.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Bethie on June 06, 2006, 06:00:50 AM
Just wanted to say I love the daily sheet. I try to read it everyday. It's got great stuff in it and I like the member profiles.
And seeing that I am a huge fan of fanfic, I like that the authors are featured. It's their stories that helped me get over the
intense pain of BBM and find a way to cope.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on June 06, 2006, 08:43:51 AM
Thanks bcatjr and everyone who has been so supportive of TDS. 

After we went to "press" today, I found out just a little more about the Zagat survey.  After you have completed your survey, you will be given one chance to vote for your all-time favorite movie and, of course, we hope you won't miss that opportunity to vote for the one and only BBM!   Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on June 06, 2006, 03:16:39 PM
I did the Zagat Survey just now because the Daily Sheet entry said it was EASY.

And it was!   Always like to place a check next to Brokeback Mountain!

P.S.:  I also noticed that Crash is listed as a "fantasy!"
          That made me laugh!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on June 07, 2006, 09:22:08 AM
Hi all -- the link to the Christion Science Monitor's review of Larry McMurtry's new novel has expired, sorry about that!  Yesterday it worked but I didn't know they expire their links after four days.  At least we know the review was very favorable.

Meanwhile, there are two reviews posted on Amazon.  Of course I would be remiss if I didn't remind you to enter Amazon through our booksotre link just in case you end up buying something while you're there.  Thanks for reading TDS!  - Ellen

http://www.davecullen.com/brokeback/store/
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on June 08, 2006, 03:09:07 AM
http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=352
and I thought this was my original contribution to Art!!!!
M.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: pwday on June 08, 2006, 12:24:25 PM
here's something I'd like to see added to TDS, under upcoming events  (forgive me if this has been posted... I really can't keep up):   Teddy Thompson is on the programme at the Edmonton, Alberta Folklife Festival August 11-13. There are a lot of other wonderful acts on the bill, too, including another act from the BBM soundtrack, Linda Ronstadt.   

Imagine Teddy singing "I Don't Want To Say Goodbye" right there in Alberta", where it all happened... it sets my heart aflutter. :-)

Here's the programme:  http://www.edmontonfolkfest.org/004.performers/004-02.programme.htm?ffref=folkflash
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CANSTANDIT on June 09, 2006, 06:30:01 PM
This is a bit picky, but since our medium is, in fact, the written word you can't be too picky, IMO.  The Daily Sheet refers to the Marquis of Queensbury rules.  It is in fact the Marquess of Queensbury.  Marquis is the French spelling of a similar title held by the Englishman, the Marquess of Queensbury.  Just an FYI.
I'm not certain that's correct, TB.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: bbm-mmm on June 10, 2006, 08:32:19 AM
From Saturday's Daily Sheet

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We were surprised to learn that the owner still hasn't seen BBM (One of our members has just sent him the DVD).  Consequently, he can't yet realize the importance of this house in film history. One of our Canadian members has pledged to help him with the costs of fencing and protection; another is willing to donate time to help repair the house, and we suspect many others would gladly pay a fee to view the house if it were preserved.  As of yet though, the owner remains unconvinced there is sufficient interest to merit this effort.

So, where do we start?

Do we want to see the house preserved in some way?  Do you see yourself making the trip to Alberta to see the BBM shooting locations?  Would you be willing to write a testimonial about the power of the scenes filmed in the Twist home?  Can we encourage him to at least protect it a little more effectively – perhaps a fence?

The immediate problem is to get Mr. Hixt to accept/provide better protection for the house.  If this isn't addressed very soon, we won't have to worry about preserving the house, it will be gone. 

Why don't we show him the "love" that he didn't get from the movie folks? A postcard campaign to him may be just the thing to let him know that there are many of us out there that care about the preservation of his house.  We can do this; we've done it before when we wanted to thank the movie's stars.

Here is the address:      Mr. Larry Hixt,
                                  Box 64
                                  Beiseker, AB
                                  Canada,  TOM OGO

US Post Office says it takes fifty-five cents to send a regular size post card from anywhere in the USA to Canada.  (Sixty-three cents for a regular letter).  Be sure to keep you comments positive and encouraging and most importantly let him know the importance of his house. 

Can't you envision it right now? Ennis  -- sitting at the kitchen table, - - in Jack's room, - - looking out the window, - - finding the shirts, - - taking the bag from Jack's Mom.  The significance of this house can't be measured to us; let's be part of the solution to keep it around.


Let's get writing, people. And something must be done. But what and how. Must think about this.
Security cameras linked to owner's home or local police? A big new fence? It all depends on the location, you Canadians/Albertan Brokeaholics have to go scout it out for us and report back on the details of the location. How much will it cost to buy the house, I wonder?

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on June 10, 2006, 09:33:29 AM
This is a bit picky, but since our medium is, in fact, the written word you can't be too picky, IMO.  The Daily Sheet refers to the Marquis of Queensbury rules.  It is in fact the Marquess of Queensbury.  Marquis is the French spelling of a similar title held by the Englishman, the Marquess of Queensbury.  Just an FYI.
I'm not certain that's correct, TB.

Well, I looked it up on the internet and in the dictionary and both appear to be correct.  I'm sticking with the English spelling, just cuz I want to.   :P :P
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Garry_LH on June 10, 2006, 10:11:00 AM
If we seriously want to preserve the Twist house, we need to set up a trust and buy it. Any one in Canada interested in being a live in caretaker? That's the only way we can assure the house survives. More than that, we would have to accept repair to the house and property to a higher standard than they were in the film. Best I remember, the roof on the house looked like it was about to turn to compost. From certain angles the house looks like it has settled on its foundation. To save, and preserve this monument could easily run into tens of thousands of of dollars. Do we want to accept what it will cost to put the house back up in shape and restore the parts we saw in the film? If you want a caretaker to say with the place, other rooms in the house should be made a heck of a lot more livable.  But, if we were gonna do this, sending all those post cards is not the thing to do.

Seeing the owner gets what was promised by Focus, is not only the right thing to do, it would be a feather in our cap if we decided to take the house on in a preservation capacity. Hmmm... I wonder if it would be worth it to think of the place as a Bed and Breakfast?  I think I might drive to Canada for a piece of cherry cake. Could it make enough money to defray a good bit of the cost of upkeep?

On the vandalism... let me guess, souvenir hunters. Ohhh... Heath touched this wall!!! Grrrrr.... What, is some idiot gonna put it on ebay? Or is some fool gonna use it to display their shirts.... Gaaahhhhh!!!!

What about the house Ennis was living in when Jack came up after Ennis's divorce?
Just ah ponderun...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on June 10, 2006, 10:19:54 AM
i agree with garry, with an addendum.

as i was reading the post, i thought the first order of business was to get an architect/contractor or whatever up there and be sure there was enough house to save.  i don't think it would be the same to build a new house LIKE the old house.

if you want to see the best example of this kind of grass roots action i know of, those of you in new england can visit the WILSON HOUSE.  it is a house one of the founders of AA was born in.  it was bought buy a committee of AA members and turned into a small hotel or large B&B and AA retreat, with historical papers and period furniture and books.  it is maintained solely by member cash and labor donations, and is veryinexpensive to stay in.  needless to say, there are daily AA meetings, but it would be an inspiration for anyone who wanted to attempt to save the TWIST HOUSE.  ;D ;D

jack 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on June 10, 2006, 10:21:26 AM
We do have a thread for this campaign to help save the Twist house. You can find it here:

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=10356.msg291220#msg291220
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on June 10, 2006, 11:25:53 AM
I had to edit a little bit of this story because Focus was mentioned, and in context of all the information we have, probably should not have been.

Sorry for the confusion!

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on June 12, 2006, 06:32:21 AM
Thank you, Ellen, Jan, and Sharyn for another great edition of The Daily Sheet. And I'm not just saying that because you mentioned the book project in it today.  ;)  You all always find the funniest, most important, most newsworthy, and most intriguing stories. Although I don't have as much time as I'd like to seek out all the cool nooks and crannies of the Forum, I feel like you all give me the real flavor of what's happening here each day.

Another technique I've used to keep up is to go to the main page and read the 10 most recent posts. The other day, they involved a discussion of salad shooters and salad spinners, weird dreams, a beautiful flower photo, some comments about how our parents raised us, a summary of the reasons Bush should be impeached, the difference between a couple of British and American terms, and a pumpkin cake recipe. Long way from Jack and Ennis, although we never leave them behind for long!

Bottom line is, I love The Daily Sheet!

- KittyHawk
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on June 12, 2006, 09:19:34 AM
Kitty Hawk, I love your idea of reading the ten most recent posts to keep up with forum news!  I'm so glad you like our Daily Sheet.

I am posting because I should have added the name of another contributor today.  I need to thank Mooska for his investigative reporting in tracking down the rumor that the shirts are on exhibit (believe me, this was not easy to verify - they are not listed on the museum's website, nor does anyone seem to answer the phone).  Mooska also tracked down the contact information for Tom Gregory.  TG is very busy screening his communications, as you can imagine, but he graciously took time to respond to our forum.

So that is my behind-the-scenes story at the Daily Sheet.  Thanks, Mooska!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CANSTANDIT on June 12, 2006, 12:21:03 PM
This is a bit picky, but since our medium is, in fact, the written word you can't be too picky, IMO.  The Daily Sheet refers to the Marquis of Queensbury rules.  It is in fact the Marquess of Queensbury.  Marquis is the French spelling of a similar title held by the Englishman, the Marquess of Queensbury.  Just an FYI.
I'm not certain that's correct, TB.

Well, I looked it up on the internet and in the dictionary and both appear to be correct.  I'm sticking with the English spelling, just cuz I want to.   :P :P
GOTCHA! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: amdaz on June 15, 2006, 07:36:12 AM

Woo Hoo Jan,

Thanks for highlighting Jenna  ... THE top writer we have in the slash world.
And for CYN poetry. It was awesome!

Thank YOU!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: TwistsBitch on June 16, 2006, 09:13:52 AM
I like the variety in today's TDS - some amusing stuff, some serious stuff and some pics to gawp at! Excellently balanced!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on June 16, 2006, 05:59:38 PM
Re: Internet Neutrality. Daily sheet, June 16, 2006.

This morning I saw a television message claiming that internet neutrality was an anti-consumer campaign on the part of Google to make the consumer pay more for the internet. That message is an outright lie; the companies that own the transmission 'lines', most notably SBC, which bought AT & T and then renamed the whole thing ''AT & T'', want to charge Google and other companies an extra fee just for using the lines and based on bandwidth, even though the use of the lines is already paid for by the consumer in other ways. This amounts to making the consumers pay twice for the same lines. Google and other companies and consumer groups are fighting against this extra charge by trying to get Congress to legislate guaranteed ''internet neutrality'', making the extra usage charge illegal.

Lance -- that is why this issue is so tricky!  The business friendly side (our congress) claims they want to leave things "as is" by not writing any new laws to protect.  The other side (the good guys IMO) want to enact some kind of regulation, so it takes action to keep things the way they are now, rather than inaction.  And you are absolutely right, the opposition is trying to muddy the waters, kind of like the "healthy forest" bill (which means it's okay to cut down trees) or "blue skies" (weaken anti-pollution laws)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: patroclus on June 18, 2006, 10:04:40 AM
I was pleased to see that you picked up the story from the UK about the severe sentence meted out to the two men who gay-bashed the 24-year old barman, Jody Dobrowski, to death on Clapham Common. But you cited the story in such a way that you missed the key point of it as a news item here in the UK.

The point is that this case was the top news story that evening on all newschannels. The reason for this is that the killers received a more severe sentence precisely because their crime was motivated by homophobia under new Hate Crime laws here in the UK. These provide for a high sentence for hate-motivated crimes against minority groups. This was the first major case where this has been applied so the publicity sent out a very powerful message from the courts that anti-gay violence will be dealt with severely and that it is not acceptable in the UK. And the police made a particular point of emphasising that they want to hear from gay men and lesbians who have experienced harassment of any kind. All good things to offset a dreadful tragedy.

Finally, the point of the story was also that it was Jody's mother who is being quoted in the latter part of your story, which I think deserves to be recognised.

So, thanks for highlighting the story but I'd appreciate it if you would draw people's attention to the above as they seem to me to be the crucial and most encouraging and significant aspects of the story which you've missed out so far.

Thanks

Patroclus
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: DCLuke on June 19, 2006, 06:55:45 AM
I love the Odes to Jake and Heath.  Very clever and made me start my day with a smile.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on June 19, 2006, 09:16:48 AM
Anyone who can get to the Fox Theatre for the BBM screening on June 29th, do it!!

The Fox is one of the surviving 1920s "movie palaces", barely saved from the wrecking ball in the early 1980s.  Any film you see there will be a special occasion. If you can get a balcony seat, the 'special effects' on the ceiling of stars and clouds (the latter actually seem to move) might be especially effective during the outdoor scenes.  I recall it about took the top of my head off the time I saw Close Encounters from that vantage point.  :o
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: TwistsBitch on June 19, 2006, 09:54:41 AM
Hi,
I was glad to see the link to bluehorse's comments in TDS on Sunday. I really liked her way of expressing her views about BBM and summarising them (they also happen to align with what I think to a tee, but am completely unable to say in a remotely coherent fashion).  I guess that's why you posted it in the TDS, or was it a veiled dig at the usual level of discussion in the slash thread?!  ;D
TB
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on June 19, 2006, 10:01:50 AM
Hi,
I was glad to see the link to bluehorse's comments in TDS on Sunday. I really liked her way of expressing her views about BBM and summarising them (they also happen to align with what I think to a tee, but am completely unable to say in a remotely coherent fashion).  I guess that's why you posted it in the TDS, or was it a veiled dig at the usual level of discussion in the slash thread?!  ;D
TB

I'm glad you enjoyed the piece --- I liked it too and that's why it was used.  BTW, the slashies also bring us incredible poems, haikus, limericks and a lot of creative writing - besides having a heck of a lot of fun over there.     Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on June 19, 2006, 10:59:20 AM
Great Daily Sheet today as always!

How cool that BBM is going to get up in the big screen again in Atlanta! Very good news also about the BBM t-shirt store.

Nice to read about Auntie's anticipations re BBQ and to see little Killer getting ready for all the real or imagined Jack&Ennises. Loved that photo cap thread pic. :D

PS: I'm supposed to send in some favorite Heath & Jake pics...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on June 19, 2006, 12:33:46 PM
GREAT daily sheet today!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on June 19, 2006, 08:17:10 PM
I just read in the "couldn't start my day without" daily sheet that there are illustrations in Close Range? My copy doesn't have them. Is there another edition of it? My copy is from Scribner's. I sure would like to see this.
Thanks a million for the Daily Sheet!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on June 19, 2006, 10:12:01 PM
I just read in the "couldn't start my day without" daily sheet that there are illustrations in Close Range? My copy doesn't have them. Is there another edition of it? My copy is from Scribner's. I sure would like to see this.
Thanks a million for the Daily Sheet!

John-John - The answer is YES, the first hard cover editions of Close Range have water color illustrations by William Matthews in front of most of the stories.  The illustration for Brokeback Mountain is what I assume to be Jack -- an older version of Jack (with a mustache), and eagle feather in his hat, leading a horse.

Do I own this book?   NO, sadly.  I bought a hardcover edition off e-bay, not realizing there actually was a hard-cover printing without the illustrations.  Last I looked the book w/ illustrations was going for over $30, maybe more by now.  But I was so lucky to find the book with illustrations at my public library.  That book is still in my possession now (legally checked out). 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on June 20, 2006, 07:10:12 AM
Thanks Tellyouwhat, I'll check it out at the library.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on June 21, 2006, 02:36:45 PM
This is a note to all those who took us up on the "subscribe to the Daily Sheet" feature.  While ironing out a technical glitch today, the TDS team entered the thread more than usual, resulting in excess "notifications" sent to your inboxes.

Please forgive us, and stay subscribed!  That level of activity in our thread is, I can assure you, a one shot thing.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Junior on June 26, 2006, 05:22:25 PM
Beyond Brokeback: The Impact of a Film   :)   It seems so simple and so right, especially since I've done some looking around on the Tech Team Volunteer Communication thread and have a better idea of the variety of stories that will be included. It turns out that some of our suggestions were too limiting in scope.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on June 29, 2006, 05:01:26 AM
That article concerning Heath's 'commonsensical' reply to his fans about his and Jake's friendship was great. It always baffled me when people  started speculating about it all. They are two guys who got along so famously that Heath and Michelle made Jake their daughter's GODFATHER. Did people think they did that as a publicity stunt for a FILM??? Not for nothing, Michelle is also friends with Jake--as might be IMPLIED when she made him Matilda's godfather, with her husband!!!  I wonder when people will get around to questiong THAT.

Tellyouwhat, you have a tendency to pick really good stories....
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on June 29, 2006, 07:42:27 AM
Aw BB-1, thanks, but I have to tell the truth, I get by with a little help from my friends!  In this case, karind1, ace reporter.  I'm happy to give her credit.

With regard to Heath and Jake, your points are well made.  I have posted somewhere before, when you're a famous young actor who made a film where you acted outside your sexual orientation and you're looking for somebody else who really understands you, -- who ya gonna call??  Who ELSE?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on June 29, 2006, 12:33:20 PM
great daily sheet today as always - really liked DCLuke's column about "Brokeback" expressions! It is really a concept nowadays.

I also loved the photocap of the day! :D

And, of course, the Post of the Day. Beautiful. (I share that experience of not knowing anything really about BBM or the actors etc before I saw it for the first time in a theater.)


"Americans' Circle of Close Friends Shrinking"  - interesting observation. ..

thanks!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on June 29, 2006, 01:42:45 PM
Hi folks!
I'm afraid there's been an error in the daily sheet, the post of the day was not by me but by Cameron816, he was replying to one of my post.
It's still a great post though!

John
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on June 29, 2006, 02:22:28 PM
Thanks Elvan -- glad you enjoyed it.  We are very fortunate to have DCLuke as a columinist!   John John -- sorry for the mix-up!   Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: B73 on June 30, 2006, 09:01:58 PM
Today's daily sheet mentions the website with the poll for best actor.  I go there, and Jake has 40% of the votes, Heath something like 15%.  Everyone else has 1 or 2%.  Think the Forum people have been there?  :) :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: TexRob on July 02, 2006, 09:40:52 AM
Anyone who can get to the Fox Theatre for the BBM screening on June 29th, do it!!

The Fox is one of the surviving 1920s "movie palaces", barely saved from the wrecking ball in the early 1980s.  Any film you see there will be a special occasion. If you can get a balcony seat, the 'special effects' on the ceiling of stars and clouds (the latter actually seem to move) might be especially effective during the outdoor scenes.  I recall it about took the top of my head off the time I saw Close Encounters from that vantage point.  :o

Hi Marge --

I just saw your post.  I was there, along with many others.  The Fox turned out to be a great venue for this film.   There should be something in TDS soon.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on July 03, 2006, 06:08:57 AM
I just want to say that today's Daily Sheet made me a bit misty-eyed (softy that I am). First the cover on our book was finally unveiled. I know the hours and hours it took to produce this magnificent cover, and it is the very first part of our book we have been able to show to the public! Most people are not aware of the hundreds of volunteer hours being put into this massive project and what a huge undertaking it is.

Then there are the wonderful photos of our members of our community gathering in Atlanta and what a wonderful experience that was for all involved. BBM is such a special thing for all of us, and the most important part, I think, is the community that has grown from it.

Finally, I am always awestruck (and no, this is not hyperbole) at the great job that tellyouwhat and cactusgal do each day with the Daily Sheet. The stories, the photos, everything is so great. These two ladies volunteer a great amount of time (and put up with a lot of crap from me) in order to produce this document each day. We all owe them both a big thank you for their efforts, and I am probably guilty of not saying it enough. So thank you, Ellen and Jan. Great work. Our forum is lucky to have you both!

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on July 03, 2006, 09:22:21 AM
Thank you soooo much for sharing the new cover for the Book.  It is awesome, and I'm so proud of it that I could bust.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mcnell1120 on July 03, 2006, 10:36:41 AM
You guys did a GREAT job on the book cover. I was trying to read the small print..ha ha ha...gave me goose bumps!!

Nellie :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on July 03, 2006, 11:36:53 AM
Great to see the book cover! I have some litte idea about all the work put into making the book so I really really understand how exciting it is to have the final cover version done! :)

The Atlanata get-together story was a real BBQ teaser! Great pictures of the theater. Would have loved to be there. Just think about it; watching BBM in a full theater with mostly (all?) huge BBM fans, and then talk about it afterwards... it's like doing the forum thing IRL. 8)

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on July 03, 2006, 02:11:28 PM
PS!

I forgot to say the other day that it was very nice to read the profiles of Adrian and DaveinPhilly!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jdmdallas on July 06, 2006, 09:19:11 AM
Heads up. Heath and Jake were invited to join the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5153130.stm
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on July 06, 2006, 12:25:05 PM
Heads up. Heath and Jake were invited to join the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5153130.stm

Check out the Awards Aftermath Thread where a discussion about this is beginning,
as well as a couple links to articles about it.

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=1643.7665

Questions being raised:  Why wasn't Michelle Williams invited?
How are these decisions of inclusion/exclusion made and by whom?
Were Rodrigo, Gustavo and the writer's dissed as well?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: tfferg on July 06, 2006, 09:23:12 PM
Peteinportland
Interesting article about Thai gay responses to BBM. I have met quite a few gay Thai men. The attitude your Thai friend/s report is most prominent among the many Thai of recent Chinese descent. Their families tend to be very homophobic and I guess it is influenced by traditional Chinese concepts of filial piety. Chinese men are expected to have sons who will continue the worship of the ancestors and provide for their spirits in the afterlife.

Some Thai families of ethnic Thai or Lao descent seem to be a little more relaxed about it. I have met single gay men in their mid to late 30s who successfully resist all attempts by family and matchmakers to marry them off. They often have a don’t ask-don’t tell relationship with their parents and otherwise get on well together. Single gay men often support their parents and build a house for them. Sometimes their siblings seem to know explicitly and accept their brother’s sexuality. I have been invited to stay with partners’ parents’ houses upcountry and been welcomed and put to bed on the same mat under the same mosquito net with their son, though we don’t behave demonstratively when we are with the family. But I have had adult brothers hold my hand and openly cuddle up to me in an affectionate way. The most homophobic attitudes seem to be expressed by Thais who have had some experience of education in the West.

I saw BBM together with my Thai partner in Bangkok. He was very moved by the experience and it prompted him to recall the memory of realising he was gay and feeling very isolated and lonely. I guess he had no-one to talk about it with - he grew up in rural village, lived in a temple in town in order to get a high school education because there was no high school in the village (He and a classmate used to kiss each other without knowing that it was sexual or going any further) and later went to live with his older married brother, a policeman, in Bangkok to pursue his studies. He didn’t know any other gay men in Bangkok.

He was very shocked by the evidence of homophobic violence in BBM and said that it doesn’t exist in Thailand, where violent attacks are motivated by money.

Although he lived for many years in an outer suburb of Bangkok, he had no idea of the existence of gay venues until working as a tourist guide, he organized a taxi for a foreign tourist who directed them to a famous venue.

Soon after we met, he asked me to spend the weekend in his one-room apartment. I accepted and thirteen months later, I’m still here. As soon as we arrived, he called his older brother who invited us to have dinner with him and a police colleague. Older brother took me on the Monday to university departments where he had contacts to find a job. We quite often have family dinners together. Younger brother, a womanising sports teacher in the local primary school, lives in the same building and  calls from time to time and we have a drink together. Younger brother often puts his arms round me and says ‘I love you’ to me.

When I moved in with my partner, he rang his mother upcountry to tell her and she wanted to meet me asap. Work commitments meant it was many weeks before we were able to go to the village where I was made welcome by his parents, older and younger brothers and sisters and nieces. We have been back several times and stayed overnight. His parents hold my hand. They ask about my plans, clearly wanting me to stay with my partner. On Father’s Day, I was included in the family ceremony where sons and partners kneel and pay respects to father and receive blessings with holy water and mantras. He gave me his individual blessing too. Later, his father joined my partner’s and my hands together and held them together in his own, smiling broadly. It felt like a traditional European handfasting betrothal. His mother has twice told me about foreigners in the district who are married to Thai women, seeming to imply a parallel. Maybe the pressure is off my partner since his brothers and sisters are married with children and he has contributed a lot to his parents and siblings financially over the years.

My partner and I do not mix in Thai gay circles these days, so I have not had a chance to talk to other gay Thais about BBM. Our respective work commitments don’t bring us into such networks and we live a long way out from places where there are gay restaurants and bars and so on. The overall lack of institutional and legal homophobia means that there is little impetus for setting up or maintaining the kind of gay community organizations and structures that have developed in the West. The fact that BBM was shown in nearly all the mutliplexes and a number of single cinemas here for some weeks shows that it must have had wide appeal to Thais. Exhibitors here very quickly whip off films that don't make money in the first days.


Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on July 07, 2006, 05:08:17 AM
tfferg -- What an interesting post -- thanks so much for taking the time to share that with with us.  It really helped to expand Pete's article.  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on July 07, 2006, 12:17:37 PM
Any chance we could get the e-mail addresses for the librarians who turned down the award?  They might enjoy hearing from fans of the book/movie as well.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: brian on July 07, 2006, 05:16:17 PM
As a teacher librarian (Aussie term for library media specialist) although now retired except for casual work, I am so chuffed by the news about the school that refused to ban Brokeback. Recently while working in one of our Catholic Diocesan schools (where my friend who i was replacing also loved Brokeback) I was not surprised to find it on the shelves but pleased to see in the union catalogue that it was in another 4 High schools in the Diocese. Knowing the librarians in the Diocese (where I use to work permanently) I really should not have been surprised.
I think I will send the information to the national teacher-librarian list.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: brian on July 07, 2006, 11:29:50 PM
Any chance we could get the e-mail addresses for the librarians who turned down the award?  They might enjoy hearing from fans of the book/movie as well.
Did some research, the librarian of the Upper School is Barbara Jansen
bjansen@sasaustin.org
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Hidden Springs on July 09, 2006, 09:36:23 AM
SHEET MUSIC FOLIO HAS FINALLY ARRIVED!

I don't know if this has already been mentioned anywhere, but I haven't seen it.  After hounding the owner of the San Francisco Music Center since February, when he told me that this was going to be published, it is finally available.

The 47-page folio has a high-gloss version of the movie poster on the cover, but unfortunately no inside photographs.  The songs are:

He Was A Friend of Mine

A Love That Will Never Grow Old

King Of The Road

The Devil's Right Hand

No One's Gonna Love You Like Me

I Don't Want To Say Goodbye

I Will Never Let You Go

An Angel Went Up In Flames

It's So Easy

The Maker Makes

The Wings

The official title is "BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN - Music From the Motion Picture Soundtrack - Piano * Vocal * Guitar".  It's distributed by Hal Leonard and the inventory number is HL00313333.  It is $16.95.

My guess is that even some people who don't normally buy sheet music might want this.  Most big cities have a sheet music store, although smaller ones don't anymore.  You can find a source in the Yellow Pages under "Music, sheet" or probably find it online.  It just came out last week.

I was pretty happy about this development!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on July 09, 2006, 09:38:58 AM
Thanks, Hidden Springs.   We will be doing an article on it this week in TDS and you will be able to purchase it right on our own site store.   Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: melissasjack on July 09, 2006, 09:55:00 AM
Hi y'all,
Just wanted to say a HUGE THANK YOU for the extra special warm welcome...
I love this place, can't think of anywhere I'd rather be.
(well, except for that BBQ) ;D
Truly, I feel like I've come home.
Melissa
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on July 09, 2006, 11:22:01 AM
the bar answer is below WHAT ??? danged if i can find it.  its the bar jack tries to hit on the clown though, idn't it?   or is it the one lureen hits on jack in...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: nova on July 09, 2006, 12:04:50 PM

jack........The answer is right above UBBF Calendar.

Answer:  Childress, TX (Lureen) Bar

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on July 09, 2006, 12:14:53 PM
the bar answer is below WHAT ??? danged if i can find it.  its the bar jack tries to hit on the clown though, idn't it?   or is it the one lureen hits on jack in...

Sorry, Jack, maybe I should move it to the very, very bottom!  ...or I could just keep ya guessin'   Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jojogunn (Joe) on July 09, 2006, 11:32:00 PM
Hi folks, Joe (jojogunn) here and I want to post an item and wish to have it put on the UBBF Calendar, hope this is the right way/place to do it, should read as follows: July 23 BBM/BBQ east of Utica NY       This is part of a monthly dinner club for gay/bi men in central NY and we would like to invite  any new/interested guys to this BBM event which I am hosting. I can be contacted here  on the forum and can then e-mail the details and directions.  Thanks and I hope this is at least partially done  the right way as I'm not the most computer savy,  BrokieJoe (replies to jojogunn)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on July 10, 2006, 07:19:23 AM
Hi folks, Joe (jojogunn) here and I want to post an item and wish to have it put on the UBBF Calendar, hope this is the right way/place to do it, should read as follows: July 23 BBM/BBQ east of Utica NY       This is part of a monthly dinner club for gay/bi men in central NY and we would like to invite  any new/interested guys to this BBM event which I am hosting. I can be contacted here  on the forum and can then e-mail the details and directions.  Thanks and I hope this is at least partially done  the right way as I'm not the most computer savy,  BrokieJoe (replies to jojogunn)
Hi Joe -- This is fine -- but its probably easier for us to not miss it if you would just contact us directly.  Either PM or email us (the co-editors):

              jan@davecullen.com           or          ellen@davecullen.com
              or PM:  CactusGal                            PM:  tellyouwhat

This information is at the bottom of every TDS.

Also, you can start your own thread, if you'd like, in our Start Your Own Thread -- here is the link:  http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?board=4.0   and post your own info.   

Love to see these get togethers!   Thanks.  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Sid401k on July 10, 2006, 06:29:48 PM
I would like to make a recommendation for "Quote of the Day."

This is part of a very long and intelligent post on BBM in general and slash in particular.  The post begins with a description of bluehorse's love affair with the movie, and includes the following comment:

Why do some people walk out of the movie and go to dinner and talk about the weather and others walk out of the theater to find the horizon has been erased.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on July 10, 2006, 06:40:37 PM
Sid --  You have spotted a very good post -- luckily, so did I -- it is already scheduled to run in tomorrow's TDS!  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on July 11, 2006, 07:13:28 AM
re: bar answer...

thanks for the bold red print.  saved a lot of wear and tear on the eyes.  :o
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on July 11, 2006, 07:15:29 AM
re: bar answer...

thanks for the bold red print.  saved a lot of wear and tear on the eyes.  :o

Just for you, Jack -- just for you!  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: TwistsBitch on July 11, 2006, 11:20:55 AM
Hi Jan - I was going to recommend that pic from the photo caption thread but I thought it may be too sad.  I was impressed that it was just one word in the caption.   The captioning folks are so talented. Next time we must have a happy one to make up for this one though!
TB
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on July 11, 2006, 03:12:43 PM
Hi Jan - I was going to recommend that pic from the photo caption thread but I thought it may be too sad.  I was impressed that it was just one word in the caption.   The captioning folks are so talented. Next time we must have a happy one to make up for this one though!
TB
Hi TB -- So glad you liked it like I did.  Did you see the "pretend" photocap just above it -- that was for comic relief but I guess I should have reversed the order!  Your right I love those guys/gals in photocaps -- amazing imaginations -- they sure brighten my day!   Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: twtplanner on July 17, 2006, 07:32:07 AM
'morning Jan....just a quick note telling you thanks for the work you put into The Daily Sheet.  It's always a good read, positive and just good old fun.  You're doing some good stuff here.

terry
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on July 18, 2006, 05:01:06 AM
I second that! :)

Again, thanks for posting the Beyond Brokeback book cover draft, it's really nice. Supporting this book project is important for many reasons, one of them I think is that it will put forward stories by some people who may not post much at all but who have brilliant thinking going on. Thanks to the book their Brokeback stories will not be lost or forgotten.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mcnell1120 on July 20, 2006, 09:54:02 AM
First of all, I want to thank all you guys for putting together this Daily Sheet every day for us. It takes a lot of work and sweat in putting this together. Your articles are just so great and helpful and I love reading peoples profiles.

Reading about Our Auntie,Killersmom,just made me feel really good. She indeed is a special person,and I love her to pieces. I love her little Texan accent and her kind words are just too much. I still can't believe she's opening her house and her heart to all of us locos this August.  Auntie is a big part of our lives ,more than she will ever know.
I'm so honored to be a part of this family.

Great work,guys

Nellie
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: DCLuke on July 20, 2006, 10:46:36 AM
I want to thank Pete for writing about the experiences of bi-national gay couples and the struggles they experience in the face of our unjust immigration policy. I have a dear friend from Brazil who has lived in the United States for five years, three of those years in a relationship with an American man.  My friend overstayed his tourist visa and lives in fear of being deported and separated from his partner. His life in America is in limbo.  He cannot find a decent job due to lack of a work permit and his immigration status puts a terrible strain on his relationship.  If he were in a heterosexual relationship, he would be a permanent resident by now.  But because he is gay, he and his partner have little legal recourse.

Opponents of the Permanent Partners Act say that gay men are simply "sex partners" and they attempt to deny the love that exists in gay and lesbian relationships.  Brokeback Mountain and other cultural phenomena are slowly chipping away at those lies and the propaganda of the radical right.  Unfortunately, bi-national couples must contend with not only homophobia, but also growing anti-immigrant sentiment in the USA that imperils any reasonable overhaul of American immigration laws.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on July 20, 2006, 07:55:59 PM
Pete's love affair with a Thai national brings back long ago sorrow.  On my first trip to Paris, I met and fell in love with a beautiful young Frenchman who was in the city up from Limoges applying for a job with Air France.  The application took a long time to process and I waited in a cheap hotel, with funds withering away to nothing, for his return to the city and a job.  I desparately tried to find work, but no luck.  Our life together was not to be.  He returned to Paris in a panic about us, ground down by fear.  I was about broke and didn't know where to turn.  So I returned to the States.  My friend and I kept in touch, moved on, but he later died from AIDS.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: tfferg on July 20, 2006, 08:50:14 PM
Dear Peteinportland
How cruel and spiteful are governments like yours and so many others!
And their beliefs are actually immoral. People and countires who see
themselves as "Christian" are so hung up on sexuality that they cannot see
that morality is about how we treat each other. Not allowing loving
partners to be united with a permenent residence visa and live together is a direct violation of the
essence of morality, the Golden Rule; 'Do unto others as you would have them
do unto you.'
The US government's attitude is same as that of so many who preach
family values but actually break families and keep them apart through the
rigid application of outdated laws and bureaucratic regulations.
Thank you for reminding all our members of the continuing Brokeback
lives so many are forced to live. More power to your compatriots who are
working to change the US legislation.



Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on July 21, 2006, 08:02:05 AM
Omigosh omigosh omigosh I LOVE ANNIE PROULX SO MUCH!!!!!   Thanks Annie for your piece in The Daily Sheet today and thanks so much editors Ellen and Jan!!!!

- Wayne

:) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :)
(http://davecullen.com/brokeback/daily/mbrprofile/Annie3.jpg)
 :) :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Monica LoveEmBoys on July 21, 2006, 09:20:06 AM
Kudos to Jan for pursuing and receiving a response from Annie for the Brokeback Profile!  It's quite the coup, and folks are a-twitter all over the threads I frequent! 

Monica
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on July 21, 2006, 09:26:31 AM
Thanks, Monica and everyone else that have shared kind words on the Annie interview to me.   I can tell you I was one excited gal when that fax came in!  I'm just so pleased for us all that she took her time to acknowledge us and, especially her support of the DVD campaign.  Validation is always wonderful, but when it comes from Annie Proulx it is glorious.   Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: twistedude on July 21, 2006, 10:23:18 AM
Proulx' admission of the "lie" she told--that she found the very idea of falling in love with her characetrs  "repugnant", and her admission that she had really been in love with Jack and Ennis since she published her story---is priceless.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on July 21, 2006, 10:54:38 AM
Now, this was a great surprise - what a solemn occasion, to read about Annie Proulx! Her note and profile replies especially are like poetry. I got goosebumps, felt well on my way up some Wyoming mountain... There just could be no other setting for Ennis and Jack. Just brilliant.  
:)




Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: calgaryactor on July 21, 2006, 08:37:49 PM
Absolutely brilliant work there Jan, roping Annie Proulx for TDS - no wonder we love you so!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: B73 on July 22, 2006, 09:18:03 AM
Just want to start off by saying how much I love the Daily Sheet; read it first thing in the morning.  Thanks to Pete and Ellen and Jan, DCLuke, twistedboy, tellyouwhat, Cynical21, and Jim, and all youse who put it together!  Big hugs and kisses!

Secondly, thanks so much for the Annie Proulx profile.  What a joy it was to read that yesterday; and honor that she shared with us.

Thirdly, I love your profiles that you do; so stoked when I saw my buddy Sid profiled today!  Y'all rock it!   :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on July 24, 2006, 12:59:31 PM
Dozy Embrace set to Haden/Metheny Spiritual on YouTube

In her essay called “Getting Movied” (from Story to Screenplay) Annie Proulx wrote: 

“The most difficult scene was the paragraph where, on the mountain, Ennis holds Jack and rocks back and forth, humming, the moment mixed with childhood loss and his refusal to admit he was holding a man. This paragraph took forever to get right, and I played Charlie Haden's and Pat Metheny's Spiritual, from their album Beyond the Missouri Sky (short stories) uncountable times, trying to get the words. I was trying to write the inchoate feelings of Jack and Ennis, the sad impossibility of their liaison, which for me was expressed in that music. To this day, I cannot hear that track without Jack and Ennis appearing before me.”

If you have not yet heard this music, check out this link to this very moving YouTube video created by kaerff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi6i8bfwV-w&search=brokeback%20mountain%20spiritual
This video is just gorgeous.  It was one of my first discoveries on the Dave Cullen website (Ultimate Brokeback Guide; Pictures, clips, etc.; Brokeback Flashback).  But it should come with a warning.  Once you view it, then the next time you watch the Dozy Embrace in the movie, your reaction will be:  "That's it!?  What was that, twenty seconds?  Where's the rest of it?"

Sid, thanks for writing!  for my part, I had always wanted to hear the music.  It is lovely.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on July 24, 2006, 01:15:23 PM
Pete - thanks so much for this inspiring insight:

University academicians and social researchers are already telling us this book will be very significant to the field of pop culture and film because no other film has ever had such an impact on viewers that fans chronicled the impact in a book of their own making. As with our ad campaign, we are literally making history and helping to cement BBM as one of the greatest films in the history of cinema in terms of impact and audience reaction.

Great work y'all!!    :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on July 24, 2006, 03:29:31 PM
What wdj said. :)
 History in the making...!

Since both Charlie Haden and esp Pat Metheney are two of my fave musicians I enjoyed yesterday's and today's referrals to them both regarding Annie P as well as in yesterday's very intersting and moving profile of BradInBlue.
Thanks to everyone in this week's profiles, it has been very interesting to read.

... shout-outs to Bay City John! :)



Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: rick-in on July 24, 2006, 10:34:51 PM
Agree with Elvan, BradInBlue's profile was very moving - thanks much Brad for sharing!  Also thanks to Pete for the cultural insight about BBM book and for the story about Thai boyfriend. I have learned a lot.

TDS is a great part of the site and much appeciation to all involved.

Rick
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on July 26, 2006, 03:28:09 PM
As for the Question of the Day about a moral to Brokeback Mountain,
on being interviewed after this years oscars, Larry McMurtry was asked
that very question by a reporter--about a moral to the story and his quite
succinct reply was: 

           "Love ain't for sissies!"
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Monica LoveEmBoys on July 27, 2006, 10:59:50 AM
OK, sorry y'all for the confusion, we have one more update for the Midwest Slash Bash in the Calendar.  In subsequent TDS entries, please have that link point to our new thread in the Meet Your Neighbors board:

Edit: I discussed this with Gonzo and we agreed this would be the better link:

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=11785.msg376078#msg376078


Thanks
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on July 29, 2006, 12:28:49 PM
I LUUUUUUUV Tellyouwhat!! Enjoyed your profile today Ellen!!!


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(http://davecullen.com/brokeback/daily/mbrprofile/ellen.jpg)

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Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jasonwv on July 29, 2006, 06:50:29 PM
I LUUUUUUUV Tellyouwhat!! Enjoyed your profile today Ellen!!!


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(http://davecullen.com/brokeback/daily/mbrprofile/ellen.jpg)

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That was a nice profile! I can't wait to see yours Wayne! :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on July 30, 2006, 04:51:47 AM
I'll be damned. Ellen is just as beautiful as i pictured her to be. But then inner beauty often shows up on the outside, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on July 30, 2006, 07:09:55 AM
What?  This old thing?  Oh wait, that's what you say when you can't take a compliment--  really jack, you have provoked me into disclaimer mode!  That is my only digital portrait, that I use in case of a professional writer's gig (papers want your pic)-- Best foot forward, you know!  A bit overdressed for TDS I'm afraid.  Wait til the BBQ, when I'll be wearin' my E&J t-shirt (and BBQ sauce, no doubt)

Whew that was fun but now it's Jan's turn-- (hands over baton with relief) -- E
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on July 30, 2006, 12:42:17 PM
It was very nice to see the tables turned, and Jan and Ellen answering the questions! What classy ladies!

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on July 30, 2006, 05:59:16 PM
Hell, I've met Jan, she's waaay nice!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on July 30, 2006, 06:04:01 PM
hey, I forgot to respond to Ellen's highly intelligent and thought provoking , well-reasoned answers to the questions  she was asked!

Very good job! beauty and brains are a GREAT combo!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on July 30, 2006, 09:35:54 PM
NOW EMBARRASSED BEYOND BELIEF

That's what I get for submitting a posed picture.  Recent, but posed.  Believe me you couldn't have the interesting life I have had without wear and tear, and one of those "0" birthdays coming up.

Thank you Jan for inventing those intelligent questions!

Now everyone should be dying to answer them, including you Mr. Brokeback_1
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on July 31, 2006, 01:40:16 PM
yikes
 i'm being threatened   roflmao
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on July 31, 2006, 04:34:54 PM
Forgive me if this is the wrong place to post the following, I wasn't sure where to tell everyone that "I wish I knew how to quit you" is running a solid 2nd place at today's poll for top film quote of the 00s over at the popular movie site www.imdb.com.   Predictably, "My precious" is ahead, but Brokeback will wind up in second.  Nice to see it, here's the link: http://www.imdb.com/poll/

thx

Thx jayiijay
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on August 01, 2006, 04:34:25 AM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/montezumae_2006/maps.jpg)
re : respect from Hollywood (thanks gnash :))
In ireland they even named a county town after him :))
M.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on August 02, 2006, 12:20:41 AM
"JACK: Oh Ennis! Yes! Yes! Yes I'll marry you!"

Okay, that one got the tears going again.  I sure would love to see real-life scenes like that in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lintelómiel on August 02, 2006, 09:08:03 AM
Ohmygod... my first mention in the Daily Sheet, yay!  :D

Well, now that I'm at it... thanks to all who bring us the Sheet every day (Cactus Gal?). It's always a lovely read!

Lin
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on August 02, 2006, 09:20:41 AM
Ohmygod... my first mention in the Daily Sheet, yay!  :D

Well, now that I'm at it... thanks to all who bring us the Sheet every day (Cactus Gal?). It's always a lovely read!

Lin

Hi -- Actually tellyouwhat and I take turns producing The Daily Sheet.  You can always tell the editor-of-the-day by looking at the bottom of the day's post where it is listed.  Today's was actually produced by tellyouwhat -- although I look forward to getting you in there again one day too!    We're glad you enjoy it -- a labor of love for us too.   Jan (CactusGal)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lintelómiel on August 02, 2006, 10:00:10 AM
Hi -- Actually tellyouwhat and I take turns producing The Daily Sheet.  You can always tell the editor-of-the-day by looking at the bottom of the day's post where it is listed.  Today's was actually produced by tellyouwhat -- although I look forward to getting you in there again one day too!    We're glad you enjoy it -- a labor of love for us too.   Jan (CactusGal)

Haha, tellyouwhat actually PM'd me to set the record straight too.  :)  Thanks for the reply though, I'll keep it in mind, and credit to both of you!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Cameron816 on August 02, 2006, 10:01:23 AM
CactusGal --

I still cannot getting over the fact that Annie Proulx took the time to write you a thank-you note.  It may seem overly obsessed, but I know you put the text of her note in your Daily Sheet posting, but maybe I missed it, what does the "PS" portion of her note say.  If it's too personal, then I'll understand. 

Thanks SO MUCH for sharing that with us.  At least I feel the creators of BBM are beginning to understand the tip of the iceberg of gratefullness we have toward them.  And for them, that is the greatest reward of all.

-Cam
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on August 02, 2006, 10:07:40 AM
CactusGal --

I still cannot getting over the fact that Annie Proulx took the time to write you a thank-you note.  It may seem overly obsessed, but I know you put the text of her note in your Daily Sheet posting, but maybe I missed it, what does the "PS" portion of her note say.  If it's too personal, then I'll understand. 

Thanks SO MUCH for sharing that with us.  At least I feel the creators of BBM are beginning to understand the tip of the iceberg of gratefullness we have toward them.  And for them, that is the greatest reward of all.

-Cam

Cam -- Actually it says, "P.S.  I have already tossed the orig. letter/Questionnaire when my agent forwarded your request for it"

This refers to my request for the original; of course, if I'd have realized that Annie faxed it herself, I would have never been brave enough to ask for it!  Just a lucky break!   

I've been asked to bring it to the Texas BBQ, so, I've already put it with the laptop to bring along!   Thanks for being interested - I really wasn't sure that I should post it, so I'm glad it was interesting to you too.   Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Cameron816 on August 02, 2006, 10:36:58 AM
...<snip>...
Thanks for being interested - I really wasn't sure that I should post it, so I'm glad it was interesting to you too.   Jan
Whut?!?!?!  Are you crazy?  How could we not be interested.  This find makes me feel like blind pig who has just found a huge acorn, NO, a big fat TRUFFLE.  :)  Thank-you, Thank-you.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on August 03, 2006, 01:35:03 AM
Loved Boris's bad date post! ;D

... my goodness, there is so much I'd like to comment on in this week's Daily Sheet, so much great stuff that it'd take me forever to include everything, so just a few things that come to mind:
Really beautiful to see the Annie Proulx postcard sent to you, Jan, and very nice also to see Ellen's profile!

I can't wait to hear all about the Vancouver and Philly round-ups! ;)

Gnash's poems are quite amazing. (His "Ennis Day" - picture as well! :D)

New Member of the Day - yes, very important.

brokeback_1's Post of the Day, very beautiful - congratulations!

... and twistedboy can come and fix my plants any day of the week! ;D What a total garden make-over! :o

Thanks also for the Travels with Jack's Truck – Part3:  Touring Alberta piece. Some trip to win!! Wow... can't imagine what it would be like to stand before the Twist's home.

Love the photocaps too... the works!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Passion on August 04, 2006, 01:03:00 PM
So fun to be on the Daily Sheet!  I have met so many wonderful people here and I am having such a good time!  The unnamed Coffee Line friend in my 1000th post is also a member here---Christina---we apparently are living parallel lives and if it wasn't for this forum we would have never met!  Thanks all!  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: yb on August 04, 2006, 06:27:48 PM
Regarding WB's announcement that Heath will be the Joker, the best part of the announcement is Christopher Nolan's statement in the announcement - “Our challenge in casting the Joker was to find an actor who is not just extraordinarily talented but fearless,” - that tells us Nolan's confidence and appreciation of Heath's ability to portray the character.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CANSTANDIT on August 05, 2006, 08:33:21 PM
I have some career fears for Mr. Ledger in taking on The Joker....He is Marlon Brando, not Jim Carey. Although I am happy for him to have such great exposure, I hate to think of how this role could expose him to ridicule of the powers that be, ie, first a gay cowboy, now a cartoon character. It might reinforce in the Hollywood homophobic regime the idea that BBM was a fluke, and his performance can be swept under the carpet in the overall scheme of things.....Am I overreacting? We still don't know the impact, long-term, of BBM on his career. Personally, I think when Hollywood grows up in another few years-I hope- his story will be known as the great Oscar rip-off of all time.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: yb on August 06, 2006, 12:25:14 AM
Canstandit, I don't think you have to worry too much for Heath.  After surfing the internet over the last few days, I have come to the conclusion that unless Heath fails to pull off the role, this role will only further enhance the notion that Heath is a versatile actor - he can be Marlon Brando and Jim Carey at the same time (e.g. BBM and Lords of Dogtown).  From all the articles that I read Batman Begins is a serious movie and the director, Christopher Nolan, is highly regarded; so The Dark Knight will follow the same path and not a caricature version of the Batman cartoon.  Anyway, I'm looking forward to see how Heath will tackle the role.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 10, 2006, 10:25:18 PM
Today's daily Sheet was good. Very very good. It had something for EVERYBODY in it.

Thank you Ellen. Thank You Jan.

Between the 2 of you a remarkable job gets done, and done WELL. Pete said it just right when he said you were both Classy Ladies.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 12, 2006, 02:17:16 AM
Yet another good Daily--and not because it mentions the BBM M.S. get-together this January, either!

'The World Trade Center'...I simply don't know if I can watch this, not after watching them  fall down and living in that miserable silvery cloud which enveloped the city, wondering who was alive, who was dead, where my brother was, if he was alive, knowing how so many first responders whom I know will never be the same.... the whole thing.

 It's funny, I have no real trouble dealing with the emotions of that day. That was something necessary, something which had to be done. At first it was the reverse--imagery was ok, emotions couldn't be dealt with.

Today it's the imagery. Simply can't stand it. That and knowing that yes, while NY really IS prosperous,  the  the population makeup of outer boroughs such as Brooklyn has changed drastically since 911. Many pre-911 cohesive 'traditional' neighborhoods have changed so much you barely recognise them. Bensonhurst was what, 95% Italian. It's down to 40% or so. Bay Ridge has a new name: Beiruit, it went from Irish-Italian-Greek  to a very Arab neighborhood. The list goes on. I think the backbone of NY pulled up stakes and left. Like me lol.

So I don't think I will see the film. Not unless the family insists next month when I'll be back there. If you were there and know/knew what went on, no reason to do so. It's already inside.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 13, 2006, 12:54:49 PM
O wow... Diana Ossama?

My mind always  hears her telling Larry McMurtry to' INDULGE ME'  and read BBM when  he told her that he didn't read short fiction any longer...sometimes it takes a gal with THAT TONE in her voice to get a guy to do what needs to be done!

This was a nice nice Sunday treat!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on August 13, 2006, 02:50:06 PM
I'm not sure how many people know this, but both Jan and Ellen were at the BBQ all weekend. And guess what? They still produced The Daily Sheet. What dedication. What true professionalism. Thanks so much to both of them.

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Sid401k on August 13, 2006, 02:55:09 PM
...both Jan and Ellen were at the BBQ all weekend...and...they still produced The Daily Sheet.
What dedication. What true professionalism.
What a great excuse to run back to the air-conditioned hotel for a couple hours!  ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on August 13, 2006, 05:49:57 PM
Hi Sid --


The best reply to your post is -- no we DID NOT slack off on our party activities (or sweating in the Texas heat)

Jan, back me up.  Pete was right, we did all that AND TDS!

Thanks , Pete.

E
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 13, 2006, 07:09:54 PM
HAH. I bet they did !!

My minds eye can clearly see Jan and Ellen discussing Jake while  swilling down the Moose Drool Beer, writing  copy about  Diana, talking about Jake, discussing Dave, talking about Jake, observing the styles of Cowboy Hats, talking about Jake,  discussing SNIT, talking about Jake...

LOL the stories you guys are going to have!!!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on August 13, 2006, 10:15:27 PM
I'm not sure how many people know this, but both Jan and Ellen were at the BBQ all weekend. And guess what? They still produced The Daily Sheet. What dedication. What true professionalism. Thanks so much to both of them.

Pete

Thanks, Pete!  Partying was definately high on the priority list! (Thanks to the LA Posse, sleep has not been much of an option!)  Wouldn't have missed it for the world though.  Tonight is very difficult as we say goodbye to our friends!  There were still around 25 still there tonight - but most will leave tomorrow.   OK one more night of partying with the LA gang and then I'll be hitting the road!   Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on August 14, 2006, 07:19:57 AM
HAH. I bet they did !!

My minds eye can clearly see Jan and Ellen discussing Jake while  swilling down the Moose Drool Beer, writing  copy about  Diana, talking about Jake, discussing Dave, talking about Jake, observing the styles of Cowboy Hats, talking about Jake,  discussing SNIT, talking about Jake...

LOL the stories you guys are going to have!!!!

Carol said she got together and had a little "Jake Fest" with Moderator Mary, and Ellen & Jan (one or both of you?) and a couple others...

I am hurt to have been left out of that little discussion....Carol knows how much I love Jake.... ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on August 14, 2006, 08:47:50 AM
Oh and Jan/Ellen -

It should be pointed out that Sheera's friend David joined the forum while at the BBQ.

:)  Can we write off the whole thing then as a recruiting trip?  hahaha!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on August 14, 2006, 09:07:17 AM
Heidi --

AW we missed you during our little jake fest (Carol was not hallucinating, both Jan and I were there)!  I'm sure you were doing something else important at the time, of course ;)


David--

welcome to the forum!  Say goodbye to life as you used to know it!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: sfericsf on August 14, 2006, 04:45:45 PM
The pictures posted from the BBQ on the Aug 12th edition of TDS are not showing up...  :(
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: bbmbliss on August 14, 2006, 05:57:30 PM
I'm glad that's not just me!

Edit:  Thanks for sorting that out.  I can see them all now.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: prayerofthanks on August 14, 2006, 11:04:03 PM
Reading TDS always gives me a lift. Just wanted to send a special thank you for including all of michaelflanagansf post...

it was so well written, and said so much.

Thanks for all your good work!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on August 15, 2006, 05:06:13 AM
Hi Sid --


The best reply to your post is -- no we DID NOT slack off on our party activities (or sweating in the Texas heat)

Jan, back me up.  Pete was right, we did all that AND TDS!

Thanks , Pete.

E

they did, they did, they did. 

i can testify, i was right there with them, and damn proud to be, too.

nice meeting you, ladies,

jack
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on August 15, 2006, 05:56:30 AM
Oh and Jan/Ellen -

It should be pointed out that Sheera's friend David joined the forum while at the BBQ.

:)  Can we write off the whole thing then as a recruiting trip?  hahaha!
did he get his toaster oven and the secret handshake?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on August 15, 2006, 06:56:13 AM
Oh and Jan/Ellen -

It should be pointed out that Sheera's friend David joined the forum while at the BBQ.

:)  Can we write off the whole thing then as a recruiting trip?  hahaha!
did he get his toaster oven and the secret handshake?

dang it Jack!  You beat me to it!

 :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on August 15, 2006, 08:37:10 AM
Actually, Sheera gets the toaster, and David gets the secret handshake.  ;)

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on August 15, 2006, 10:00:06 AM
I think some of the pics on the Daily Sheet are being cut off on the far right.  Is anyone else seeing this?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on August 15, 2006, 10:16:52 AM
I think some of the pics on the Daily Sheet are being cut off on the far right.  Is anyone else seeing this?

They probably are, but look at the bottom of the particular sheet and there should be a scroll bar at the bottom of the TDS.  Just use this to scroll left to right.  The whole cutting off thing depends on the size of your monitor etc.  Let me know if this helps.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on August 15, 2006, 10:39:04 AM
Joe -- So sorry about the picture issue.  As twistedboy said, it is caused by the difference in screen size and the resolution that you have set your monitor to see.   Obviously I'm sizing them as I see them on my own monitor.  The only thing I know to tell you is to turn down the resolution a bit and you should see the entire page.  If anyone else has a solution, please let us know.   

We wouldn't want anyone to miss your great picture or all the others!   Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on August 15, 2006, 01:54:01 PM
I'm having the same problem here at work, but even more so.  You all must have HUGE screens -- if I make the resolution any smaller I'll go blind!

BTW, can someone explain what it is about the light in Texas that makes one's hair appear to be solid gray?  I know there's quite a bit up there, but I didn't know there was THAT much.   :o
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on August 15, 2006, 01:58:45 PM
Joe -- I hope some computer guru will jump in here and help us solve this issue.   On Thursday, perhaps we can just make a single line of pics.  I was told that the screen size/resolution setting was the issue -- but the last week of TDS (days that I write) were done on my laptop which only has a 15" screen.   Sorry!  :( :(  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on August 15, 2006, 02:12:53 PM
I'm having the same problem here at work, but even more so.  You all must have HUGE screens -- if I make the resolution any smaller I'll go blind!

BTW, can someone explain what it is about the light in Texas that makes one's hair appear to be solid gray?  I know there's quite a bit up there, but I didn't know there was THAT much.   :o

LMAO.  Well, you see, God loves Texas and Texans so much that he wants us to have the best light in the world.  Plus, you SoCal peeps are so infused with hair and skin products to preserve your youthful looks that the fumes just rise from your overcrowded cities and block the sun.  Cuz, baby, your hair is every bit as gray as it show in the pics.  Maybe it's all the worrying from taking the bar sooooooo many times.   :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on August 15, 2006, 02:24:40 PM
LMAO.  Well, you see, God loves Texas and Texans so much that he wants us to have the best light in the world.  Plus, you SoCal peeps are so infused with hair and skin products to preserve your youthful looks that the fumes just rise from your overcrowded cities and block the sun.  Cuz, baby, your hair is every bit as gray as it show in the pics.  Maybe it's all the worrying from taking the bar sooooooo many times.   :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

You're probably right.  I should just be happy I haven't pulled it all out at this point.  Oh well, another illusion shattered.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on August 15, 2006, 04:50:12 PM
Actually, Sheera gets the toaster, and David gets the secret handshake.  ;)

Pete

roaring laughter can be heard from the far east of the us of a, to the far far east, lol.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on August 15, 2006, 04:54:12 PM
I think some of the pics on the Daily Sheet are being cut off on the far right.  Is anyone else seeing this?

They probably are, but look at the bottom of the particular sheet and there should be a scroll bar at the bottom of the TDS.  Just use this to scroll left to right.  The whole cutting off thing depends on the size of your monitor etc.  Let me know if this helps.
also, make sure you are viewing full screen rather than in a window.  sorry if that's obvious, but i do it all the time.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on August 15, 2006, 08:20:02 PM
Actually, Sheera gets the toaster, and David gets the secret handshake.  ;)

Pete
**SNORK**

omg. Thanks for that laugh, Pete.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 16, 2006, 04:16:38 AM


roflmao
I just sent this + Bitchy Bobby to Australia, my son's dorm in Brisbane will be  laughing it's arse off.

And so, dear reader, will YOU.

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=323.msg411401#msg411401
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on August 16, 2006, 06:58:59 AM
yes Jack!  I agree!  That bumper sticker should be in the forum store!!!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on August 20, 2006, 12:30:31 PM
BTW, can someone explain what it is about the light in Texas that makes one's hair appear to be solid gray?  I know there's quite a bit up there, but I didn't know there was THAT much.   :o

I agree, Joe!  Some pics I thought my head was in the clouds...or had a halo around it or something!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on August 22, 2006, 02:15:15 PM
Thankyou so much for the new picture of Ennis, it's amazing.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on August 22, 2006, 02:39:00 PM
Elvan,

I really like your new avatar.

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CANSTANDIT on August 22, 2006, 06:27:05 PM
Canstandit, I don't think you have to worry too much for Heath.  After surfing the internet over the last few days, I have come to the conclusion that unless Heath fails to pull off the role, this role will only further enhance the notion that Heath is a versatile actor - he can be Marlon Brando and Jim Carey at the same time (e.g. BBM and Lords of Dogtown).  From all the articles that I read Batman Begins is a serious movie and the director, Christopher Nolan, is highly regarded; so The Dark Knight will follow the same path and not a caricature version of the Batman cartoon.  Anyway, I'm looking forward to see how Heath will tackle the role.
OMG, YB-sorry I never responded to this! I'm a in a haze sometimes, I swear..thanks for your reponse.
I too am curious, I have to admit. And as for sheer talent, nobody's got much more than Mr. Ledger does!
Tx.
CSI
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on August 23, 2006, 09:58:08 AM
Elvan,

I really like your new avatar.

Pete

:) Thanks, Pete... it feels good to "promote" the forum book that way, it means very much to me.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jasonwv on August 23, 2006, 03:26:30 PM
I just want to thank Jaysmommy and WDJ for all the hard work they are doing on Beyond Brokeback the book.  I appreciate the time they have taken out of their busy schedules to help. I hope to see a forum profile on WDJ soon in The Daily Sheet because  not only does he deserve it but I think he has more than earned it.  I'm looking forward to seeing it. :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on August 23, 2006, 09:05:13 PM
tell them what you REALLY think, jason  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on August 25, 2006, 11:46:42 AM
Quote from: jack
hi ellen ...

that link for annie's ranch is a dead end.  i backed up on it to the home page, but the proulx listing appears to be gone, at least under the smaller properties heading.

jack   

Hi all, Jack sent me this message -- well I hope this is not a big disappointment to anyone who really wanted to buy Annie's place -- The original ad had a phone number, which I left out of TDS because, according to elan, the phone number was a recording which referred to the website.

I just thought the ad itself was interesting, gave just a little insight to Annie's life (many bookshelves) and whereabouts (near the university).  Some sweet life.  And if she is really moving, wonder if she is upgrading or simplifying?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: notBastet on August 25, 2006, 02:58:22 PM
Does anyone know if the spam message affected anyone's computers/virus type thingy?  I'm hearing rumors...
Thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on August 25, 2006, 03:04:40 PM
Does anyone know if the spam message affected anyone's computers/virus type thingy?  I'm hearing rumors...
Thanks for any help.

There have been posts about this that indicate that there was some virus associated with it.  I really question that because a PM is never really opened like an email.  People have been suggesting running your antivirus software.  If you don't have that lavasoft.com has some freeware called Ad-Aware.  The personal edition is free and pretty effective.  I don't think it is all that bad but some have suggested it is affecting the functioning of their computers and have suggested you not send email until you clear up whatever you think you might have on your computer.  I am not technically knowledgeable and the admin team is working on something, but I don't know exactly what.  I hope this helps.
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Post by: Gonzo on August 25, 2006, 03:14:45 PM
I just spoke with Monica who is one of the techs.  She said that there really should be nothing to worry about UNLESS you actually clicked one of the links in the Don Johnson message.  If you did (naughty, naughty) you might have gotten a virus from that website.  Mostly the message was just to warn people it was pornographic and you would be forced to look at it without any choice.  If you are having problems it might be some glitch on your computer or slowdown with your ISP or etc.
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Post by: Elevation on August 27, 2006, 03:03:16 AM
Great Saturday Daily Sheet.
Sparky's profile, thankyou so much that was a very cool blurb. ;)
Also, always fun to see pics from other get-togethers... San Fransisco looks like a lot of fun.
PatSinnot's watercolor print of the BBQ group photo, me like.
And the photocaps.... a bit sad today but good nevertheless. Love it.


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Post by: peteinportland on August 28, 2006, 08:57:53 AM
A addition to today's TDS:

Book Campaign--Fundraising Campaign for Marketing Update

Thanks to many generous members, we have raised $2,500 toward our $4,000 goal. For more information or to make a contribution, please go here:

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=2016.msg369439#msg369439
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Post by: ChrisW on August 30, 2006, 12:52:22 AM
Thankyou so much for the new picture of Ennis, it's amazing.
Yes, it was the one I wanted for my 'late heifers' thing, but we have all moved on since then (given birth to our new selves thanks to midwife Ennis, or something :))
M.
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Post by: tfferg on August 30, 2006, 10:49:07 PM
BBM opera? A tough one to pull off.
I can imagine a BBM as a full-length dance drama, choreographed by the brilliant contemporary Australian choreographer Graeme Murphy, who was director of the Sydney Dance Theatre for many years. He often choreographs pas-de-deux for men and complex group pieces too. He has a unique style. I'd love to see him tackle it.
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Post by: jack on August 31, 2006, 02:18:08 AM
actually, i take exception.  this would be an extraordinarily by the book opera.  all the classic elements are there, the primary characters have great situation for solos duos trios and quartets.  the libretto all but writes itself.  if britten could do billy budd, someone should be able to do this justice, and law, western themes have been but little explored in opera, so its fertile ground to mine.  anyone remember a little ditty by reba macentyre called does he love you  ?  it was a 2 soprano duet that soared, and tore with tragedy.  absolutely operatic in scope and style.  garth brooks and the thunder rolls also operatic in theme.  how about a baritone of the caliber of randy travis singing of impossible love...

i swear... if i had a lick of musical talent i could write this puppy.  and the operatic world would be falling all over each other to perform it!  in my lifetime, i will see this on stage, i will wager.

jack 
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Post by: Nax on August 31, 2006, 05:15:15 AM
I'm with Jack on this one BBM would make an excellent subject for an opera the whole thing is scripted like someting out of Verdi to begin with  ;)
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Post by: Gonzo on August 31, 2006, 08:28:45 AM
I once posted over on Ennis&Jack that this would make, in the right hands, a great opera.  Somebody responded with the following:  "How do you write music and lyrics for somebody as inarticulate as Ennis del Mar?"  And just imagine, all those sheep on stage!!   ;D ;D
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Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on August 31, 2006, 02:07:55 PM

On the Daily Sheet we should be yellin
Birthday wishes to our very own Ellen
Just what age is she?
From her pic you'll agree,
Tell you what--there is really no tellin!
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Post by: garyd on August 31, 2006, 04:06:38 PM
Without going back and checking ancient posts, I would be willing to bet that I was one of those who may have scoffed at the idea of translating BBM to the stage (musical or opera).  Upon reflection, however, I honestly think the material could "sing" and that it could do so in the musical format.  Think "Passion", "Grey Gardens", "Light in the Piazza", "Pal Joey", "Pacific Overtures", "Caroline, Or Change". 

There are ample opportunites for Jack, Alma and Lureen to sing.  Even Ennis is not a major problems though most of his early stuff would have to be internalized and character exposition.  But even a light hearted number between he and the girls demonstrating his true love for them is possible (think an expansion of the scene in which he asks if they would like him to push them on the swing or, perhaps, his conversation at Thanksgiving dinner table).  Alma's reaction to the reunion scene could stop the show.  Jack's big exit number toward the end of ACT II would be a take on the "dozy embrace' reverie.  Ennis would, of course, have the ball busting 11 o'clock number of all time with "Jack, I Swear".

Sondheim could pull this off.  Doyle is a possibility for design and direction.  Maybe Kushner writes the libretto.
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Post by: michaelflanagansf on August 31, 2006, 05:05:34 PM
I once posted over on Ennis&Jack that this would make, in the right hands, a great opera.  Somebody responded with the following:  "How do you write music and lyrics for somebody as inarticulate as Ennis del Mar?"  And just imagine, all those sheep on stage!!   ;D ;D

Hmmmm...maybe if we got Robert Wilson and Philip Glass to do it they could just spend 3 hours going up and down the mountain...and the sheep could talk (imagine the music - 3 hourse of tape loops of sheep noise).  And Aguirre can be represented by darkness coming across the stage...or perhaps as a faustian devil.  And at the end the hollowness of Ennis' life can be represented by robots in caves.

Yeah!  This could work!

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Post by: Gonzo on August 31, 2006, 05:51:17 PM

Hmmmm...maybe if we got Robert Wilson and Philip Glass to do it they could just spend 3 hours going up and down the mountain...and the sheep could talk (imagine the music - 3 hourse of tape loops of sheep noise).  And Aguirre can be represented by darkness coming across the stage...or perhaps as a faustian devil.  And at the end the hollowness of Ennis' life can be represented by robots in caves.


ROTFLMAO

Actually, if Robert Wilson got his hands on this Jack and Ennis would not even move.  They would have to stand stock still for 3 hours.  Their "movements" would be represented by a barely perceptible change in the stage lighting.  I saw a production of Parsifal by Wilson and it was tough.  Not for novices or sissies.

You clearly are familiar with the works of Mssrs. Wilson and Glass.  As much as I love those two and find their work astonishingly provacative, my vote would be for something a touch more lyrical.

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Post by: michaelflanagansf on August 31, 2006, 06:00:56 PM
ROTFLMAO

Actually, if Robert Wilson got his hands on this Jack and Ennis would not even move.  They would have to stand stock still for 3 hours.  Their "movements" would be represented by a barely perceptible change in the stage lighting.  I saw a production of Parsifal by Wilson and it was tough.  Not for novices or sissies.

You clearly are familiar with the works of Mssrs. Wilson and Glass.  As much as I love those two and find their work astonishingly provacative, my vote would be for something a touch more lyrical.

Oh yeah...saw 'The Black Rider' when it was here last year and loved it.  Not sure I understood it, but I loved it (I mean Marianne Faithful as the devil - who wouldn't?).  And I've been going to see  Glass in concert since the early 80s.

So you wouldn't go for John Adams/Peter Sellars then either?

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Post by: Gonzo on August 31, 2006, 06:16:17 PM

So you wouldn't go for John Adams/Peter Sellars then either?


I'm not familiar with either of those men.  I've heard of Peter Sellars but can't recall if I have seen anything of his.  I used to have season tickets to Houston Grand Opera at a time when they were doing at least one newly-written opera a season.  They were really cooking.  Now they are just rewarming old productions for the carriage trade.  I shied away from really pre-studying any of them.  I wanted it to be more a visceral experience than an intellectual one.  Sometimes the mystery of a beautiful work of art can be destroyed by overexamination, for me at least.  It's that mystery I'm after.  That's really how I approach BBM.  Really needed to talk about it but wanted to leave the mystery of "why" intact and just relish the feelings it instilled.  I saw a production of Strauss' Elektra and had to go back later in the week to see it again.  All I can tell you is that Hildegarde Behrens was Elektra and to this day, that is one of my all time favorite opera experiences ever.
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Post by: michaelflanagansf on August 31, 2006, 06:27:49 PM
So you wouldn't go for John Adams/Peter Sellars then either?

I'm not familiar with either of those men.  I've heard of Peter Sellars but can't recall if I have seen anything of his.  I used to have season tickets to Houston Grand Opera at a time when they were doing at least one newly-written opera a season.  They were really cooking.  Now they are just rewarming old productions for the carriage trade.  I shied away from really pre-studying any of them.  I wanted it to be more a visceral experience than an intellectual one.  Sometimes the mystery of a beautiful work of art can be destroyed by overexamination, for me at least.  It's that mystery I'm after.  That's really how I approach BBM.  Really needed to talk about it but wanted to leave the mystery of "why" intact and just relish the feelings it instilled.  I saw a production of Strauss' Elektra and had to go back later in the week to see it again.  All I can tell you is that Hildegarde Behrens was Elektra and to this day, that is one of my all time favorite opera experiences ever.

John Adams/Peter Sellars are the duo who did 'Nixon in China', 'The Death of Klinghoffer' and 'Dr. Atomic'.  I saw the last one and was quite fond of it.  I do understand the idea that the mystery of a beautiful work of art can be destroyed by overexamination, but I also feel that criticism and analysis can be great tools in helping us to understand the motivation of both characters in a work and the authors of the work.  Often when going to see a musical work I won't prepare for it beforehand (and as I'm a librarian who deals with a good deal of the opera crowd I know this is not always the case), but I must admit that before 'Brokeback' I read the story just to see if I would like it (this was about 8 months before the film was released).  I find it necessary to do this because I often find myself watching films in which I spend the majority of the time thinking 'well, what did you expect' (as I did with the film adaptation of Allan Hollinghurst's 'The Line of Beauty').  Much as overanalysis can kill a work, it can also suffer if you find the actions of the characters to be ones that you cannot identify with - and so sometimes a little forewarning is a good thing.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: nakymaton on August 31, 2006, 08:25:33 PM
In response to the Wal-Mart article --

I know I shouldn't expect anything resembling rational rhetoric from the Family Research Council. I mean, their arguments are always bizarre as well as bigoted. But "I don’t think this is something that will sell on Main Street America, where most Wal-Mart stores are located..."  ::) ::) ::) Every Wal-Mart I've seen has been built on a freshly-dug-up farm or ranch, someplace on Highway X out on the outskirts of town, in a big box with a bigger parking lot.

Or maybe the Family Research Council has moved on from redefining words like "family" and now is defining "Main Street" to mean "sprawl"?

The Family Research Council really is something straight from 1984, I swear.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on August 31, 2006, 08:25:44 PM
Isn't Opera a treacherous pasture?  Think of all those porkers whose voices are great but, yuck, not to look at.  Worse, if the music isn't great, then what?

Still, a work as monumental as this is going to erupt down the years in other forms.

Months back I mentioned a stage version.  It could draw on the best of both the book and the film.  It could be an important vehicle for young, emerging, actors.  Diana Osana herself was asked about this by Marge Innavera, one of our members, in Missouri back in April. Her response: "She said she thought it would make a wonderful stage play...Frankly, I expressed a little skepticism (because of the sparseness of the dialogue) but she immediately said 'Oh no, I think it would be a wonderful stage play.'"
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on August 31, 2006, 09:08:01 PM
whenever a work is in the adaptation or creation process there is always cause to doubt based on whether the right authors or performers will find their way to the material.  one can hope that this story is so archetypal that it is blessed.  it has already thrived through two incarnations, and one might easily count this forum and the book we publish as yet another.  why NOT a broadway musical drama AND an opera.

and odoggie... shame on you typecasting singers so.  there are plenty of young studly baritones and tenors out there.  the "porkers" tend to be those who have been at the game for a long time.  it takes a huge amount of time and experience to reach opera heights.  there are youngsters fresh out of popular music and music schools for whom this could be the big break.  the music might need to be profound, but it needn't be out of reach.  italian stylings would be out of place in this setting, but a britten or a copland or a bernstein might have done a masterful job.  sorry to say, i don't know who is out there now composing, other than elton john/bernie taupin, and i don't want to go there.

jack
   
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Post by: RodneyWY on August 31, 2006, 09:41:11 PM
I can't remember whether this is a brand new item or not, or whether it has been posted or whatever . . . but I just read a very interesting item that might make interesting reading on TDS:

Our boys' incredible kiss was voted the #5 Most Memorable Screen Kiss of all time, beaten out only by From Here to Eternity, Spider-Man, Breakfast at Tiffany's and Ghost.  The link to the article is:  http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/from%20here%20to%20eternity%20kiss%20most%20memorable_1006851
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Post by: Brokeback_1 on August 31, 2006, 11:42:27 PM
a brokeback ballet might be easier. think i'll bring it up with a dancer i know, pretty good choreographer.
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Post by: Oregondoggie on September 01, 2006, 01:42:14 AM
a brokeback ballet might be easier. think i'll bring it up with a dancer i know, pretty good choreographer.
Easier?  Is that what Brokeback is to be all about?  But a ballet might not be quite so easy.  There are some little matters of music and choreography.  Good taste in tights can be very thin ice.  But... bring 'er on!

A work of this grandeur is going to spawn many offspring down the years.  Lookin' forward to a stage version that gathers the best of the book and the film into itself and allows countless young actors to bare the hearts and souls of Ennis and Jack.
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Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 01, 2006, 01:47:59 AM
easier in the sense thata BB ballet might be easier to get onstage then a BB opera. A dance production is also cheaper to mount.  In no other way is it easier [o fer chrissakes o-doggie!!why does BB have to be difficult lol].

The thought came to mind because my son's step brother is a dancer choreographer here in NYC and his input would be vey cool to have. he's performing Sept 9 at the Cunningham studio.
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Post by: Oregondoggie on September 01, 2006, 02:07:44 AM
Ah, Rodeo!  Ah, Billy the Kid!  An' Oklahoma?
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Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 01, 2006, 02:40:14 AM
lmao
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Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on September 01, 2006, 06:19:11 AM
In response to the Wal-Mart article --

I know I shouldn't expect anything resembling rational rhetoric from the Family Research Council. I mean, their arguments are always bizarre as well as bigoted. But "I don’t think this is something that will sell on Main Street America, where most Wal-Mart stores are located..."  ::) ::) ::) Every Wal-Mart I've seen has been built on a freshly-dug-up farm or ranch, someplace on Highway X out on the outskirts of town, in a big box with a bigger parking lot.

Or maybe the Family Research Council has moved on from redefining words like "family" and now is defining "Main Street" to mean "sprawl"?

The Family Research Council really is something straight from 1984, I swear.

I don't care who Walmart wants as customers, I won't shop there until they pay all their employees fair wages and improve health benefits.  As for the Family Research Council - They are wrong, but Walmart needs to improve their policies on lots of other fronts.


P.S.  On another subject, thanks Lyle for your extremely clever limerick, you are a peach of a creative guy!
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Post by: Gonzo on September 01, 2006, 08:06:53 AM
I don't care who Walmart wants as customers, I won't shop there until they pay all their employees fair wages and improve health benefits.  As for the Family Research Council - They are wrong, but Walmart needs to improve their policies on lots of other fronts.

I second that.  Their decisions on every front are made as business decisions.  It has nothing to do with morality or social change.  They will do everything they can to make it seem like it they are concerned, but the bottom line is always the bottom line, period.
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Post by: Boris on September 01, 2006, 10:53:46 AM
Thank you once again for the wonderful Daily Sheet.

Talking about Brokeback being a classic. The biggest afternoon tabloid in Finland held a vote "Most romantic movie ever". Brokeback Mountain was sixth after "Titanic", "Casablanca", "Gone with the Wind" and some others. So, yes it has become/is in process of becoming a true movie classic.
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Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on September 01, 2006, 12:37:45 PM
A work of this grandeur is going to spawn many offspring down the years.  Lookin' forward to a stage version that gathers the best of the book and the film into itself and allows countless young actors to bare the hearts and souls of Ennis and Jack.

This forum alone is proof that Brokeback Mountain has spawned the highest creativity in people and I will support anyone, succeeding or not, that aspires to that.

"...I just like the direction you're goin."
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Post by: Oregondoggie on September 01, 2006, 04:45:10 PM
A work of this grandeur is going to spawn many offspring down the years.  Lookin' forward to a stage version that gathers the best of the book and the film into itself and allows countless young actors to bare the hearts and souls of Ennis and Jack.

This forum alone is proof that Brokeback Mountain has spawned the highest creativity in people and I will support anyone, succeeding or not, that aspires to that.

"...I just like the direction you're goin."

Right on!  An' won't it be somethin' when two ole geezers, Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal, totter into a theater to see their grandsons huggin' and kissin' night after night!!!  ('Course a lot of us will be spead out as ashes up on some mountain by then...)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Monica LoveEmBoys on September 03, 2006, 10:35:50 AM
From the 3 September Daily Sheet:

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Please keep these rules of thumb in mind when posting pictures…
•   Limit of one picture per post

As someone who has made some rather well-received posts in the Photo Captioning thread that involved more than one picture (my Brokeback / Brady Bunch theme song parody had, as I recall, twenty-seven  jpegs in it) I feel compelled to point out that The Daily Sheet breaks this “rule” every day.


Well, Rules of Thumb are just that -- guidelines.  Of course there are cases that call for exceptions, and I would say that both TDS and the Photo Captioning thread fit into that category. 

The point about posting only one photo per post is to prevent the case where several people post multiple picture posts, and all of a sudden a single page in the thread has 10 or more photos to download.  Had they all been put in individual posts, then it's likely they may have been spread over more than one page.  Again, this is to be expectd in the Captioning thread, as well as any others that focus on photos, and I think those cases would be excepted.  Never the less -- generally it already is the case in Captions that posters do not combine unrelated captions and photos in a single post.
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Post by: ChrisW on September 04, 2006, 02:59:32 AM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/montezumae_2006/howdy.jpg)
a historical document by now...
what a lovely profile of Linda!
M.
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Post by: gnash on September 04, 2006, 06:10:25 AM
oh, wow, that's a blast from the past, M! :D

i have to add that linda's profile was wonderful,
and it warms my heart to know she's gotten back
as much (or more?) as she has put into the forum.
my hat's off to auntie for all her dedication and the
inspiration that she brings to this wonderful website!

xoxoxo to auntie pasta linda killersmom, then and now!

 :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on September 04, 2006, 07:38:09 AM
Lyle,

I love your version of string theory.  Very nice.   :-* :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on September 04, 2006, 04:35:44 PM
I really liked the past weekend's profiles of Terry and Auntie!
Thanks for all your work. I'm glad for all the comments in this thread lately.

:)

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Post by: Marge_Innavera on September 04, 2006, 05:03:09 PM
I'm with Jack on this one BBM would make an excellent subject for an opera the whole thing is scripted like someting out of Verdi to begin with  ;)

Take a look at the Music thread if you haven't already - Rosewood came up with a great outline, I think it was about two weeks ago. Made me want to go out and buy a ticket to the performance, pronto. In the right hands, it could be an excellent opera.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on September 04, 2006, 05:15:21 PM
Isn't Opera a treacherous pasture?  Think of all those porkers whose voices are great but, yuck, not to look at. 

Well, so much for drama expressed in music: apparently, the prima donna must have a little butt, long legs and big boobs or at least part of the audience won't give a flying poot about the libretto, music or anything else.

And, of course, the baritone might be gay.
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Post by: Gonzo on September 04, 2006, 05:33:19 PM
Isn't Opera a treacherous pasture?  Think of all those porkers whose voices are great but, yuck, not to look at. 

Well, so much for drama expressed in music: apparently, the prima donna must have a little butt, long legs and big boobs or at least part of the audience won't give a flying poot about the libretto, music or anything else.

And, of course, the baritone might be gay.

I always respond to the issue of girth in opera singers with the following analogy.  It's like a bell.  The smaller the bell the tinklier the sound.  If you want a big resonating sound you gotta get a big bell.  But I must admit that for an opera like this to be convincingly executed you would need to find singers that could convincingly play young, rugged ranchhands.  That would be difficult.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on September 04, 2006, 06:27:36 PM
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you would need to find singers that could convincingly play young, rugged ranchhands.  That would be difficult
gonz, i have to respectfully disagree, this doesn't have to be written for difficulty, but for sincerity.  it could easily be written with performance by gifted beginners in mind.  trained singers don't usually start out with that girth, they tend to acquire it.  visit a performing arts school for confirmation.  music needn't be extraordinarily difficult to convey feeling.  even though it is not a favorite of mine, i can certainly imagine some of curly's numbers from carousel being the stuff of brokeback. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on September 04, 2006, 06:51:55 PM
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you would need to find singers that could convincingly play young, rugged ranchhands.  That would be difficult

gonz, i have to respectfully disagree, this doesn't have to be written for difficulty, but for sincerity.  it could easily be written with performance by gifted beginners in mind.  trained singers don't usually start out with that girth, they tend to acquire it.  visit a performing arts school for confirmation.  music needn't be extraordinarily difficult to convey feeling.  even though it is not a favorite of mine, i can certainly imagine some of curly's numbers from carousel being the stuff of brokeback. 

What I said was that finding singers would be difficult, not that the music has to be difficult.

I have actually demurred when Phillip Glass and Robert Wilson were mentioned in the context of our fantasy opera concept precisely because the music and production would be very esoteric and appeal only to followers of those two men.  A very limited group.

You have actually mentioned something about "Billy Budd" in the context of this discussion.  Would you trust an opera of that scale to any recent graduates of music academies?  Potentially you could find some gems of great talent but for an opera to survive it must rely on being performed.  You can't count on recent graduates or gifted beginners.  They may still have a figure and could convey the youth of the characters involved but lack the experience necessary to carry even the simplest of music.  It is not necessarily the technical difficulty of the music that makes an opera.  It is the depth of emotional experience that the singers have that make it work.  You then would need to pick from a steady stable of experienced singers and finding a slim, mature and experienced opera singer is kinda hard.

I personally have no problem with opera singers being large as per my bell analogy.  For these roles (as for Billy Budd) IMO you wouldn't want Luciano Pavarotti at his prime because he simply would not appear convincing.

The difficulty I was referring to was that perfect balance between talent, looks and ability to bring emotion needed to the role.  That would be difficult.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on September 04, 2006, 07:19:04 PM
In contemplating that last response I have come to the conclusion that, no matter how it is executed, I don't think it is good subject for an opera.  More importantly I don't think I would like to see it.  Somehow it is a jarring thought.  I am probably too emotionally involved in what we already have to want any more.  It's like slash.  I'm glad people get enjoyment out of it but it just ain't for me.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 05, 2006, 02:25:51 AM
hmmmm...when I get home and have access to my BBM photo collection I'd intended to continue the saga ofBitchin Bobby, in a 'Days Of Our Lives' sort of way.  mean after all, he drove Jack out of Childress and back to Wyoming and Pennis...I mean Ennis...and then  killed his granpaw with that mouth!!!

But maybe I should mount a musical production of " A Brokeback Thanksgiving" instead....Cecilia Bartoli as Lureen, Grace Moore as Grandma  Mothra, George Bush as LD, Opie as Bobby, me singing Jack Twist.......who knows, it might work!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on September 05, 2006, 06:28:08 AM
I did not know Martin600, but the piece on him in today's DS moved me to tears. Thanks to all who helped to craft that beautiful obituary and who gave such a moving insight into Maori culture. I am never ceased to be amazed by the members of our communtiy and their generousity of spirit. Martin600 is still among us.

Pete
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Post by: Elevation on September 05, 2006, 11:03:24 AM
Yes, thanks for the in memory of Martin. I didn't know him either, but he must have been a very interesting and nice person. My thoughts to all of you who knew him and especially to his family.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CANSTANDIT on September 05, 2006, 10:36:47 PM
I don't care who Walmart wants as customers, I won't shop there until they pay all their employees fair wages and improve health benefits.  As for the Family Research Council - They are wrong, but Walmart needs to improve their policies on lots of other fronts.

I second that.  Their decisions on every front are made as business decisions.  It has nothing to do with morality or social change.  They will do everything they can to make it seem like it they are concerned, but the bottom line is always the bottom line, period.
Hi, TB.....you don't know how right your are. I was the first Co-Manager in a very specific role created  for that chain, and let me tell you, working for them as a manager, is like being a POW-it is much worse even than being an hourly employee. They've been sued so much, the don't dare step on an hourly worker; but Managers are treated like S--t, and between not getting paid for the built-in OT that can be almost twice a 40 hour workweek, their bennies really do stink. it is ALWAYS about turning a profit, never let them kid you. I know all the tricks.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on September 08, 2006, 10:06:13 AM
On Wednesday's TDS, I meant to feature montezumae's poem in its entirety, but due to a glitch in the formatting, I lost the beginning in the transfer.  I have fixed it on the Daily Sheet but am also including all the text in this post.  I was very thrilled that montezumae included me in her dedication of this poem and I admire its honesty and beauty.

You never lied to me


Before you were born
I babysat
And hated those lies
That mothers told their children.

The day you were born
Your own man
'Fine as a pine'
Blue eyes in the delivery room
Boneless blue
You saw through me
So I could not lie to you.
The price I paid for crisps
Names of streets
How much I had to drink.
Little things.

The day you came out
When Heath and Jake were in Alberta
I
was
stunned.

You said
'You never lied to me, so I won't lie to you'
Never had a compliment meant more.

If girls didn't mind your mess
They could come to stay
So now, a man
No problem.
You're just the same, but tidier.

Take care of the little truths
And maybe the big ones will take care of themselves.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: NWWaguy on September 10, 2006, 03:56:28 PM
RE: Hysteria over a little mini-series ...

I think it's pretty hilarious that we suppose the most virulant anti-Bush network is NOW trying to help the Republicans!  Also hilarious is taking Clinton's word on what is a lie and what isn't!   :-\  Virtually no one has seen the final cut ... what are we talking about here?

Then, there's the 'oppressive climate' thing ... expounded by G Clooney and the rest who claim they 'can't make their films or whatever' while we are watching the very films, etc., that 'couldn't be made'.  Well, NOW we have the Demo hierarchy threatening to pull ABC's broadcasting license?????  Yikes.  I think we need to draw a deep breath and let broadcasters and film makers do their thing ... I'm all for freedom of speech!  ;)

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: huntinbuddy on September 10, 2006, 08:21:52 PM
Personally,  I come to this forum for solace from everyday life, and to reflect with others what the movie Brokeback Mountain has meant to us.  I for one, would rather not read anything in the daily sheet or be pointed in any direction from the daily sheet to any one members little political grandstand.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on September 11, 2006, 04:24:16 AM
I think we need to draw a deep breath and let broadcasters and film makers do their thing ... I'm all for freedom of speech!  ;)



Well, not to be antagonistic or anything, but freedom of speech applies equally to Daily Sheet editors as well as broadcasting companies, no?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 11, 2006, 04:30:03 AM
I saw part one and it didn't seem fake. More like they dramatised --a in compressed time, morphed characters, etc, for the sake of a movie's flow.  I loved Clinton, he didn't come off badly at all, but then I think---a lot of people don't think. A lot of the audience will treat it as absolute fact even with the disclaimer. Maybe I'm wrong, we will see tonight, but I bet Bush comes off about the same as Clinton. I hate Bush, this would be very sad if the moron comes off well.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: NWWaguy on September 11, 2006, 09:16:39 AM
Of course, freedom of speech belongs to all.  Some of us spent years of our lives preserving that, and many still are defending us.  I am just so glad we have this forum to share our thoughts with folks who actually think and 'get it' ... 'it' being the lessons of BBM about mutual respect and acceptance, about not pigeonholing and stereotyping and ... oh, well, I think we can agree to disagree, eh?  :)

I believe both Clinton and Bush will share in the 'negatives' by the time this is done.  I don't hate either one and am very glad the decisions were not mine to make.  I spent many years in military intelligence gathering and analysis and have a teensy idea about how hard it is ... I'm looking forward to the second part. 

I thought the 3 big, bold declarations about not being a 'documentary' ought to be sufficient for even the silliest, shallowest of viewers, but, I'm afraid Brokeback_1 is right about some folks believing everything they see on tv. (sigh) Let's just 'brighten the corner where we are', OK?

And, thanks to all for your insights!   :-*

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on September 11, 2006, 09:37:44 AM
Of course, freedom of speech belongs to all.  Some of us spent years of our lives preserving that, and many still are defending us.  I am just so glad we have this forum to share our thoughts with folks who actually think and 'get it' ... 'it' being the lessons of BBM about mutual respect and acceptance, about not pigeonholing and stereotyping and ... oh, well, I think we can agree to disagree, eh?  :)

You bet!

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I believe both Clinton and Bush will share in the 'negatives' by the time this is done.  I don't hate either one and am very glad the decisions were not mine to make.  I spent many years in military intelligence gathering and analysis and have a teensy idea about how hard it is ... I'm looking forward to the second part.

This is a place where we can definitely agree.  I might add not just Clinton and Bush, but the whole, bilateral Washington, DC "culture" will share in the negatives.

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I thought the 3 big, bold declarations about not being a 'documentary' ought to be sufficient for even the silliest, shallowest of viewers, but, I'm afraid Brokeback_1 is right about some folks believing everything they see on tv. (sigh) Let's just 'brighten the corner where we are', OK?

And, thanks to all for your insights!   :-*

My television has had only one thing on it, BBM, for months (well, maybe a couple of other things, but we can't really talk about those in polite society.)   ;) ;)  Consequently, I can't comment on what this "show" amounts to in any way.  The left has its propoganda and the right has its propoganda, and all too often we get stuck in the middle.  Anything we can do to not get hit by the mud flying from side to side is A-OK with me.

Peace, Love and BBM   :)

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on September 11, 2006, 10:31:27 AM


I thought the 3 big, bold declarations about not being a 'documentary' ought to be sufficient for even the silliest, shallowest of viewers, but, I'm afraid Brokeback_1 is right about some folks believing everything they see on tv. (sigh) Let's just 'brighten the corner where we are', OK?

And, thanks to all for your insights!   :-*



Thanks for your notes, NWWaguy - You know what I don't understand -- there have always been movies and tv shows based on historical events, but usually they at least make an effort to represent the facts.  When we go to see a movie like Nixon, for example (how many years ago was that??) it is because we're looking for insight.  We know the screenwriters were not really privy to all the private conversations, but we appreciate a sincere effort to dramatize what might have happened.

In this case, my own feeling is, why go into something like this claiming from the start that it isn't factual?  Why not just go ahead and try to make it a bit more factual?  Especially now, when the line between news and entertainment is increasingly blurred-- and young people say they learn about candidates from Jay Leno and other late-night talk show hosts.  I know the answer to my own question-- at this politically charged time, the network could never please both the Clinton camp and the Bush camp.  But then, I find it troubling that there is no protest about this "non-factual" movie from the Bush camp. 

As for the story in TDS, I chose it based on timeliness and a small salute to the activism expressed by a couple of posts. 

fifteen-minute Dixie Chick
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on September 11, 2006, 10:57:03 AM
You know that little Bobby, somebody needs to slap him upside the head.  Maybe they could wire his jaws shut, too.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: NWWaguy on September 11, 2006, 03:29:50 PM
tellyouwhat, I have no 'inside' info on why ABC did what they did with the story.  From my experience, the first part seemed to fit how things went in the intel-gathering, analysis business.  I am told they did time-compression and melding of characters to save time in telling the story, and seemed to have caught the positions of the various characters pretty well, 'tho they had to fictionalize some of the conversations.  This is quite standard in this sort of thing, and a lot of the 'disputed' moments have been backed by those who were there.  ABC is a very anti-bush network, so I am certain they didn't do this to 'help' him.  By the time it's done, I think everyone will have to take their lumps.  :)

I'm guessing the R's did not object 'cuz it's a silly thing to do and makes the objectors look at least strange, if not ...  I'm guessing the 3 disclaimers were a partial answer to those who objected without having seen it.  Kinda makes me think of all those who carped about BBM and didn't see it and wouldn't bother to ...  :-\

And, I'm glad you chose the story for TDS ... it's sparked an interesting and informative conversation. 

Steve
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 12, 2006, 03:17:56 AM
I too am very glad that Ellen put this in the Daily Sheet. It was a very worthwhile attempt to bring the 'real world' into the Forum for an important event, namely the 5th anniversary of 911.

As for me, you can take the boy out of Brooklyn and put him on horseback wearing a Stetson but you can't get the New Yorker's 911 memories out of him. Nor would I want them gone, it happened, it affected everyone I know, it hurt people I know, it killed some people I knew. It changed the world we live in, changed it for the worse. On 9-10-06 while driving around Manhattan the preparations for Monday's events were in evidence everywhere. The traffic was horrendous,security ubiquitous everywhere. In any conversation,' 5 years ago' came up unbidden, people related where they had been, what they had done. Booking the restaurant for our rehearsal dinner the staff got into a conversation with Katrina and I in which we all told each other where we had been, what our personal experiences were, who we knew, who had been hurt in some way.

Around town it seemed the same. At a meeting tonight off of Times Square memories came up, hurt came up. The hurt ranged from actual physical to financial, a lovely woman of 30 pulling her skirt high to show the burn scars on her thigh, a fellow who had lost his livelihood, a middle aged mothre who had ben in therapy for 3 years as a result of 911...and a few who knew noone, and suffered nothing but the collective communal shock.

I'm very glad the Daily Sheet brought up  911.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on September 12, 2006, 08:37:32 AM
I did want to let everyone know that our forum is a broad community that IMO is an example of the best use of that word in either a cyber or a real world setting. In a world where people bemoan the lack of real community, I think our forum is a real testament to the continuing spirit of community in today's world (and a true global community at that).

As a community, we have a common denominator: our love for and appreciation of BBM. Our discussion of BBM and our dedication to its themes and artistry have pride of place in our community: we have four boards devoted to BBM that lead off our forum, and we have a host of campaigns that are making a real impact in spreading the themes of BBM and raising the world's awareness of BBM. We also are one of the web's foremost communities in regards to highlighting alternative fiction devoted to BBM.

However, like any real community, we also offer our members a number of other venues and means to express their individual interests and to form common bonds. We have a range of threads on all sorts of topics from the trivial to the very serious. We are happy to afford our members a place to strengthen their community bonds by engaging in conversation on such varied interests.

Likewise, The Daily Sheet is a reflection of our forum. Jan and Ellen are free to highlight the wide variety of topics discussed on our forum and are encouraged to do so. I think they strike a very good balance with BBM news (from the funny to the serious) and other news of interest to our members. Obviously, as with any news source, every topic may not appeal to every person. However, from all reports, our members find TDS on the whole to be a great source of forum news and forum happenings and also a contributing influence to creating community on the forum. I am very proud to work with Ellen and Jan and think they do a very fine job for the forum, for our members, and for BBM.

TDS will continue to feature diverse subject matter as well as BBM-related subject matter. I know I personally am not always interested in every story we run in TDS, but all-in-all, I find it an informative and entertaining read each day. I hope our members find it the same.
Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Jay63 on September 12, 2006, 08:45:04 AM
Thank you so much for the link to the Twist Ranch House photos in the 9/12 daily sheet.
What a shame to see the place crumbling away.    That location lent a particularly haunting aura to the film.
One wonders what real life dramas were played out in the life of the families who inhabited it.
Jay
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on September 12, 2006, 03:53:07 PM
Thank you so much for the link to the Twist Ranch House photos in the 9/12 daily sheet.
What a shame to see the place crumbling away.    That location lent a particularly haunting aura to the film.
One wonders what real life dramas were played out in the life of the families who inhabited it.
Jay
Find seeing the "Alberta" Twist ranch horribly, horribly sad.  Riminds me of visiting Dachau once...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: rick-in on September 14, 2006, 08:51:34 PM
I know I personally am not always interested in every story we run in TDS, but all-in-all, I find it an informative and entertaining read each day. I hope our members find it the same.
Pete

I am in complete agreement. I don't have much time to devote to reading and contributing to the form, but I think I have read TDS every day since it began. Pete, Jan, and Ellen (and others) are doing an awesome job and I, for one, really appreciate it!  Big thanks.
Rick
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 15, 2006, 01:13:24 AM
I don't read the DS every day either, but I DO check out the daily about 4 times a week and catch up on what's going on. So I guess you could say yeah, I read every story lol.

Jan and Ellen do a very good job. It takes large blocks of time out of their lives to get it done WELL. Ellen has a young son, Jan has numerous obligations. Yet on alternating days, without financial compensation they manage to put it all together-- and they do it for each of us. I've met Jan, and speak with Ellen on the phone; both are LOVELY & talented  people who use their talents for US.

Without being either censorious or  worshipfull, I think the words THANK YOU are  in order.......
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on September 15, 2006, 03:45:05 AM
I'm sure Jan and Ellen don't mind a little worship now and then.  :D

(And if it were Jake doing it, it would be even better.)

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on September 15, 2006, 06:28:07 AM
I'm sure Jan and Ellen don't mind a little worship now and then.  :D

(And if it were Jake doing it, it would be even better.)



Actually a little sleep is what I really need! LOL! --- although, if Jake were to show up . . . well, I don't mind telling you, I wouldn't be invitin' Adrian over to keep him company! LOL! 

I do really appreciation all the kinds words, Jack and everyone!    Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on September 15, 2006, 09:46:00 AM
rick-in, brokeback_1, Pete, and all y'all, thanks for the psychic-income boost.  So glad you like TDS.

Worship, nice idea.  Should I look for the reality check in the mail?

rotfl
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: carlton on September 15, 2006, 09:17:55 PM
I dont know if anyone else has notified this forum yet- but there will be an auction of BBM wardrobe i.e. jeans.belts.boots and more on October 13th to Oct 20th with proceeds benefitting the Human Rights Campaign -Web site for info is  www.seenon.com/auction
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mary on September 15, 2006, 10:23:08 PM
I am always impressed with the great articles that Jan and Ellen publish.  It has become my first stop everyday. 
I used to read EVERY post on every thread.  That is obviously no longer possible  :D.
So the articles in TDS really help me find out what's going on and lead me to threads that I normally don't get a chance to read.

Thanks for the great job!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on September 16, 2006, 12:43:10 AM
Ahhh Mary, those were the days. Better yet was when we were all on one thread! I don't think we could do that now. No one could keep up.

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: rick-in on September 16, 2006, 01:53:22 PM
I want to reiterate what many forum members already know. This is a awesomely creative and intelligent group. Recently, there have been so many times when I am at the keyboard laughing hysterically at the humor displayed here. The photo captions, of course, are great including one published this week in TDS: You ranch people? You village people? by Lyle (Mooska). And, today's Funny of the Day, Brokeback Resumes from royandronnie, was a real treasure. Thanks a bunch for the smiles and laughs!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: playitagain on September 17, 2006, 09:19:18 AM
question.  are the not yet posted sept 4-11 daily sheetes available somewhere    ??? ??? ???  thanks
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on September 17, 2006, 09:23:45 AM
question.  are the not yet posted sept 4-11 daily sheetes available somewhere    ??? ??? ???  thanks

Yes, here is the link:  http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=12659.0

Hope this helps!  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: playitagain on September 17, 2006, 09:55:52 AM
question.  are the not yet posted sept 4-11 daily sheetes available somewhere    ??? ??? ???  thanks

Yes, here is the link:  http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=12659.0

Hope this helps!  Jan

thank you!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: atruant on September 17, 2006, 11:32:18 AM
As I posted some time ago, I look at TDS every day.

Still do.

John
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 19, 2006, 03:31:50 AM
I wouldn't be caught DEAD eating peanut butter, the stuff is completely gross. It's just as easy to slice a tomato, add basil drop  in olive oil a slice of mozzarella and salt and eat THAT as it is to eat some gross concoction made of oily thickly mashed nuts which all but choke you when you swallow the crap.

French children are wise.

blecch. barf

and I wish i'd worn the denim shirt in that photo lolololol....it was very interesting Sunday, not only all the wonderful people so happy to connect but in that only one person wore a cowboy hat ....after all, <g> this WAS in the Big Apple!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: AHappyMan on September 19, 2006, 05:14:23 AM
Peanut butter is rich thick sticky goodness, the nectar of the Gods.

Rick
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on September 19, 2006, 07:29:15 AM
A little Daily Sheet turmoil -- events beyond our control --

Pete, who updates our newsbox, is en route from Taiwan to the U.S., with limited or no access to a PC.  That's why the newsbox was not updated until late yesterday (Monday) and today it is not updated to link to the Tuesday Daily Sheet.

Jan (CactusGal) is having trouble with her internet connection this morning.  Luckily she sent me her draft for Tuesday last night, so I posted it for her.  Just scroll down from Monday's TDS.

We hope to get back to normal soon, if the creeks don't rise.

Thanks for reading.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on September 19, 2006, 11:08:21 AM
I wouldn't be caught DEAD eating peanut butter, the stuff is completely gross. It's just as easy to slice a tomato, add basil drop  in olive oil a slice of mozzarella and salt and eat THAT as it is to eat some gross concoction made of oily thickly mashed nuts which all but choke you when you swallow the crap.

French children are wise.

blecch. barf

Jack, you really have to work at not holding back so much when you post.  It's okay, you can tell us what you really think.  :D :D :D

and I wish i'd worn the denim shirt in that photo lolololol....it was very interesting Sunday, not only all the wonderful people so happy to connect but in that only one person wore a cowboy hat ....after all, <g> this WAS in the Big Apple!

As a matter of fact you looked quite fetching in your red plaid shirt.   :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on September 19, 2006, 11:30:20 AM
One caveat about today's DS.  It states that Dave will be on CBS.  Is it not supposed to read CBC...Canadian Broadcasting Company?  That is what Dave said yesterday in LeBar.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on September 19, 2006, 12:09:31 PM
One caveat about today's DS.  It states that Dave will be on CBS.  Is it not supposed to read CBC...Canadian Broadcasting Company?  That is what Dave said yesterday in LeBar.

Hi Jackie -- I guess we need to wait and let Dave chime in here.  I re-checked the msg he sent me yesterday and it does say CBS -- still it would be an easy mix-up -- I'll PM him.   Thanks.  Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: nkburlington on September 19, 2006, 01:01:17 PM
One caveat about today's DS.  It states that Dave will be on CBS.  Is it not supposed to read CBC...Canadian Broadcasting Company?  That is what Dave said yesterday in LeBar.

Hi Jackie -- I guess we need to wait and let Dave chime in here.  I re-checked the msg he sent me yesterday and it does say CBS -- still it would be an easy mix-up -- I'll PM him.   Thanks.  Jan

In that case, would it be "The National" that he would apprear on?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on September 19, 2006, 01:12:11 PM
One caveat about today's DS.  It states that Dave will be on CBS.  Is it not supposed to read CBC...Canadian Broadcasting Company?  That is what Dave said yesterday in LeBar.

Hi Jackie -- I guess we need to wait and let Dave chime in here.  I re-checked the msg he sent me yesterday and it does say CBS -- still it would be an easy mix-up -- I'll PM him.   Thanks.  Jan

OK, folks.  Heard back from Dave -- it really should be CBC -- was typo in what he sent me; however, he is on hold right now waiting to see if he is going to be on -- as the producers move things around - You know how TV is!  Will let you know if I hear more.   Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CellarDweller115 on September 19, 2006, 05:41:18 PM
Peanut butter is rich thick sticky goodness, the nectar of the Gods.

hear hear!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on September 19, 2006, 10:00:51 PM
Peanut butter is rich thick sticky goodness, the nectar of the Gods.

hear hear!
Even two young cowboys up on Brokeback in 1963 would have had peanut butter.  Right?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 20, 2006, 03:27:11 AM
It was the orange plaid shirt. I look good in it on a horse with a High Plains backdrop. In Manhattan..so-so
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on September 20, 2006, 06:16:24 AM
(psssst -- brokeback_1 never admits to wearing a "red" shirt.)

You look great in orange, Jack!  Almost as good as when you wear "brick."

 ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on September 20, 2006, 11:13:15 AM
I just read the column by Barbara Minze and was shocked (shocked, I tell you!) to see that she's never read BBM.  I sent her a nice e-mail suggesting that if she was afraid of being offended by any descriptions of gay sex she could ask a friend to white-out the only three lines in the story that do so (the FNIT), but that she owed it to herself to not miss this story.  I also included a link to the "Affected" thread in case she wanted to take a look at how the story has affected others (both men and women).

If there's anyone else who feels as strongly about this as I do, you might consider dropping her an e-mail yourself, especially if you are a woman who initially thought you might find the gay sex offensive but ultimately did not.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on September 20, 2006, 11:56:24 AM

If there's anyone else who feels as strongly about this as I do, you might consider dropping her an e-mail yourself, especially if you are a woman who initially thought you might find the gay sex offensive but ultimately did not.


Right -- but remember, she is essentially on the right side in the argument (siding with the school and librarians who wanted BBM available to the students) so if you urge her to read, remember she's not a BBM opponent.

Thanks Joe
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on September 20, 2006, 12:36:07 PM
Welcome to all new members of the TDS staff!
 

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 20, 2006, 11:18:53 PM
aSK THE PEOPLE THERE, IT REALLY WAS ORANGE  PLAID. Orange I tell ya, Orange. it looks great on a horse.
Now, as for BRICK, I swear that other shirt is brick lolololol. Hell it was the same one Jack's wearin after the Motel when he's smokin by the truck ...and as for peanut butter i defy anyone to find a trace of it in Brokeback Mounntain <g>
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on September 21, 2006, 01:00:57 AM
aSK THE PEOPLE THERE, IT REALLY WAS ORANGE  PLAID. Orange I tell ya, Orange. it looks great on a horse.
Now, as for BRICK, I swear that other shirt is brick lolololol. Hell it was the same one Jack's wearin after the Motel when he's smokin by the truck ...and as for peanut butter i defy anyone to find a trace of it in Brokeback Mounntain <g>

Whatever you say, Jack.  If you think that shirt is orange, just remind me to never ride in a car with you when you're driving, cause you won't see red lights, only orange ones, and Lord only knows if you'll stop!

As for the peanut butter, some awfully wicked (and fun) thoughts were running through my head just now, but since there are ladies present, I'll keep them to myself.   ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on September 21, 2006, 02:10:13 AM
...and as for peanut butter i defy anyone to find a trace of it in Brokeback Mounntain <g>

'Cause they ATE it all, that's why.  Peanut butter is why American boys are all red blooded.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on September 21, 2006, 12:14:53 PM
Let's open up a little bed and breakfast operation up in Ft. MacLeod, Alberta.  It could be a sweet life!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: AHappyMan on September 21, 2006, 04:02:00 PM
I'm really glad FindingBrokeback.com published that interview with Darryl Solly,
the locations guy on the movie. It really shows how, on even a "small" film like
BBM, how much work goes into every aspect of a production. And if you did your
job right, the audience never even thinks about it. It should all be invisible.

Rick

OK, I'm going to go eat some lovely lovely gooey peanut butter, now. YUM!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 21, 2006, 09:19:38 PM
there is no evidence that Jack ever offered those vile greasy gluey nuts to Ennis. and it was orange plaid, hopefully someone who was there will confirm it lol
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on September 21, 2006, 09:26:51 PM
there is no evidence that Jack ever offered those vile greasy gluey nuts to Ennis.

What???!!!  Oh, I get it.  I thought you meant...er, never mind.    ;)  (Clearly I'm incorrigible and should be spanked.  Any volunteers?)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on September 21, 2006, 09:37:02 PM
aSK THE PEOPLE THERE, IT REALLY WAS ORANGE  PLAID. Orange I tell ya, Orange. it looks great on a horse.

Furthermore, what is this supposed to mean???

 ;D

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 21, 2006, 09:51:42 PM
umm, I was unclear. Take as follows: I look damned good in that shirt on a horse.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on September 21, 2006, 09:53:02 PM
aSK THE PEOPLE THERE, IT REALLY WAS ORANGE  PLAID. Orange I tell ya, Orange. it looks great on a horse.

Furthermore, what is this supposed to mean???

 ;D



I think it means he's been playing dress-up with his horse.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on September 22, 2006, 12:12:57 AM
there is no evidence that Jack ever offered those vile greasy gluey nuts to Ennis. and it was orange plaid, hopefully someone who was there will confirm it lol
Hot damn!  Ennis helped himself to Jack's nuts for years.  Sometimes roastin' 'em right by the fire...even rolling 'em in the dirt!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on September 22, 2006, 12:15:59 AM
And once again I've steered the conversation straight into the gutter.   ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on September 22, 2006, 12:18:33 AM
And once again I've steered the conversation straight into the gutter.   ;D
That weren't the gutter.  That were the campfire!  An' both their wives made peanut butter sandwiches.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 22, 2006, 03:00:49 AM
NOBODIES wife made :( peanut butter sandwiches. And they roasted nuts for years, methinks in the dirt :o.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on September 22, 2006, 05:38:43 AM
MODERATOR !!!!  :o  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mary on September 22, 2006, 08:51:56 AM
So what a coup getting Diane Osana for the daily sheet!   

It was great to hear from her

(Back on topic now I hope)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on September 22, 2006, 09:05:43 AM
Ellen really did a lot of legwork to get Diana O for us. Diana is very aware of our forum and made several hints that she knows very well how to navigate around on here. As I told Ellen, I  find it very gratifying that the creators of the art that so touched and inspired all of us are actually taking the time to share with us. Many fans of great art don't get this personal experience with the artists.

Great thanks to Ellen and Jan for getting this artists to share with us.

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on September 22, 2006, 12:51:58 PM
How wonderful of Ossana to say hi to us in the Daily Sheet! She's a great hero for us all!


Great work Ellen, Jan, and Pete, and thanks for the heads up on Frank Rich's book Dave!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on September 22, 2006, 01:33:48 PM
MODERATOR !!!!  :o  ::)  ;D

Tattletale!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 22, 2006, 01:59:46 PM
MODERATOR !!!!  :o  ::)  ;D

Tattletale!

WHAT HE SAID
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on September 22, 2006, 02:02:14 PM
The Darryl Solly Interview linked in TDS today--very good!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on September 24, 2006, 01:18:00 PM
From today's Daily Sheet:
Quote
Anyone remember what they were doing that day in 1967?  … I don't know for sure, but I probably watched Disney's Wonderful World of Color on TV that evening...wonder what it was?”

Well, believe it or not, this information came to me today!
:o :o :o
(Where does one find out this stuff?)

Anyway, on September 24, 1967, the episode of Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color was ironically titled "How the West was Lost"!

It was an animated program with Goofy, Pecos Bill, Sluefoot Sue and Pistol Pete--narrated by Bill Thompson and Roy Rogers.

Now ain't that a hoot!

It was also noted that day you could've watched episodes of Gentle Ben, The High Chaparral and Bonanza.

Or perhaps a title more in keeping with Jack and Ennis's situation, unfortunately:
Mission: Impossible.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on September 26, 2006, 01:55:31 PM
Okay, I loved the caption to the shot of Jack washing the shirt in the river!  Good job, HR!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on September 27, 2006, 08:36:30 AM
elle_ann, terrific job on today's Daily Sheet.  I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.   :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: peteinportland on September 27, 2006, 11:03:05 AM
Yes, it was a great job. I think our two new Asst Eds (Elle and Kathy) have proven to be great additions to TDS team!

Pete
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on September 27, 2006, 01:06:06 PM
elle_ann, terrific job on today's Daily Sheet.  I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.   :-*

Thanks, Jackie!! It's been a total privilege to work alongside Ellen and the rest of the team. And having worked on two issues now, I take my hat off to both Ellen and Jan for the amazing amount of hard work they've put in over the last six months!

*round of applause for them both*  8)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on September 27, 2006, 01:10:53 PM
Excellent idea, Elle...To Ellen and Jan and the whole TDS team:

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/sheepdogg/th_appl.gif)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on September 27, 2006, 01:26:37 PM
Jackie that is wonderful!  Love it!

Let me join the love fest and mention our formatters/proofreaders, twistedboy, gnash and sparky.   They all add their artistic touches and ideas for layout that we editors are too wrung out to attend to.  Twistedboy did this seven days a week over the summer. 

We are very grateful for all the new volunteers.  Elle_ann and all of you are great to work with.

Today's sheet formatted by gnash, take a bow --

All of you are doing a great job :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on September 27, 2006, 01:48:27 PM
Excellent idea, Elle...To Ellen and Jan and the whole TDS team:

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a94/sheepdogg/th_appl.gif)


Wonderful!!! I love this pic! :-)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on September 27, 2006, 01:50:29 PM
I stole it from someone else, in the Diner, I think!   ;D ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: backtobrokeback on September 27, 2006, 05:20:42 PM
I'm sorry if this is misplaced (is this thread for saying that we like TDS or discussing things raised in it?)

Regarding the "Signs of SameSex Cheating" List (available via the link in todays TDS), I'd have to say:

This list should be treated very lightly.  As the author admits, "very little has been written" and that's abundantly clear.   It seems to be either "DUH!" items (#2, #13-14-15) or things that fit certain stereotypes (#4) or things that describe loutish straight guys in general (#10).   ::)

#16 I will place in a special ring of hell for its chilling effect on male intimacy, affection, and friendship.  By searching for SIGNS of gayness, we disallow normal male contact.  16--- Suspicious non-verbal communication with other men -  a look, a touch,  or hug that lasts a little too long or has undertones of intimacy - jeez, whatever happened to 'this is my friend - I like him a lot, and no, we AREN'T fucking each other, thank you very much.'

My apologies if this is in the wrong forum - point me where I need to go.

-btb
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on September 27, 2006, 06:33:24 PM
I posted the list in its entirety on the Bisexuals Speak thread, which seemed the most appropriate.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on September 27, 2006, 09:59:37 PM
I'm sorry if this is misplaced (is this thread for saying that we like TDS or discussing things raised in it?)

Regarding the "Signs of SameSex Cheating" List (available via the link in todays TDS), I'd have to say:

This list should be treated very lightly.  As the author admits, "very little has been written" and that's abundantly clear.   It seems to be either "DUH!" items (#2, #13-14-15) or things that fit certain stereotypes (#4) or things that describe loutish straight guys in general (#10).   ::)

#16 I will place in a special ring of hell for its chilling effect on male intimacy, affection, and friendship.  By searching for SIGNS of gayness, we disallow normal male contact.  16--- Suspicious non-verbal communication with other men -  a look, a touch,  or hug that lasts a little too long or has undertones of intimacy - jeez, whatever happened to 'this is my friend - I like him a lot, and no, we AREN'T fucking each other, thank you very much.'

My apologies if this is in the wrong forum - point me where I need to go.

-btb

But YES this is "respond to the Daily Sheet" so this is a good place to post because others might not know where to look if you are posting a discussion in another thread.  So thanks to both of you, backtobrokeback, and WLAguy. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on September 27, 2006, 11:58:47 PM
I was fascinated and appalled by that list at the same time. It's filled with stereotypes and misconceptions, just the sort of thing to make a paranoid female even more paranoid.

Their was another daily sheet item about NYC being the home of the Brokeback Effect and yeah, THAT I readily believe because it pointed out that most of the men concerned were --very unPC, thank God!!--immigrants from poor countries.  They are guys from Africa, Latin America, Asia who are fairly recent additions to America. Their cultures do not allow homosexuality, it's a disgrace, they hide it.  No matter what they do they aren't gay... it's amazin.There are 2 Chinese men on my mother's block who are living as man and wife but they aren't gay. Nope. Not at all. They are just good friends from Fukien Province saving to bring their WIVES over by living together in the same apt, cooking  together, having domestic spats, sleeping in the same bed and having sex.

But are they gay?? Nope.
lol
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on September 28, 2006, 01:01:25 PM
#16 I will place in a special ring of hell for its chilling effect on male intimacy, affection, and friendship.  By searching for SIGNS of gayness, we disallow normal male contact.  16--- Suspicious non-verbal communication with other men -  a look, a touch,  or hug that lasts a little too long or has undertones of intimacy - jeez, whatever happened to 'this is my friend - I like him a lot, and no, we AREN'T fucking each other, thank you very much.'
-btb

Speaking of  BTB's "whatever happened to..." above...
I was watching a WWII era documentary that was showing life in typical towns and cities on the home front, and the cameras showed many young males posing for the camera with their arms around each other, affectionate embracing and, well,  touching each other.  You NEVER see that now.  What have we lost in this country when straight men can be so afraid of touching another male for fear the "J'accuse!" finger will be pointed at them?  Just simple human contact.  It made me a little sad.

Also:  If you want some amusement over that list, check out the photocaps thread:
http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=323.17055
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lintelómiel on September 29, 2006, 07:47:04 AM
OMG... me and my avatar are in the Daily Sheet! How friggin' cool is that?  ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on September 29, 2006, 08:17:51 AM
OMG... me and my avatar are in the Daily Sheet! How friggin' cool is that?  ;D

Go Lin!! Slash thread rocks and Skeleton crew rocks double! Le Bar will be humming tonight!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on September 29, 2006, 12:40:30 PM
in answer to the question about ang lee movie referred to in BBM. 

I KNEW THAT !!!  LOL

that would be the ice storm.

heh heh

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on October 01, 2006, 08:55:20 AM
Give it up to The Daily Sheet crew! Just love the variety--columnists, profiles, caps of the day etc etc. There's always something to read that makes you go "Hmm. I did not know that." 
Title: Belated BBMMth Wishes to T. Y. Dub!!! :)
Post by: mountain boy on October 01, 2006, 10:54:48 AM
Wheeee !!!!!!!      :D     ;D     :-*      ;D     :D


CONGRATS  T. Y. Dub                 
                                on your BBMMth!!  


Thanks for all you do                             

              and just for being  T. Y. Double YOU !   :-* :-* :-*


(http://www.oxhey.herts.sch.uk/images/balloons_confetti.gif)(http://www.oxhey.herts.sch.uk/images/balloons_confetti.gif)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CellarDweller115 on October 01, 2006, 01:01:01 PM
Thanks to Casper and PlanetGal for doing the member profiles!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on October 01, 2006, 01:04:44 PM
WDJ thanks for all the excitement, you have made my day!

And thanks to you for all your work on the book, you DC volunteer extraordinaire!

In belated celebration of your BBM5K, I rushed out to bake you this virtual cake, red velvet, hope you like it.


(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i216/ellenclaire_photos/cake.jpg)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on October 01, 2006, 02:04:56 PM
Thanks Ellen!!!   Red Velvet!!  Mmmmm.... my favorite!!

(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:u_qzMy1_1YXzMM:http://www.sheepinthecity.prettyposies.com/archives/Cake3.jpg)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Casper on October 02, 2006, 02:17:59 PM
Thanks to Casper and PlanetGal for doing the member profiles!

You're welcome!  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Hotoddy on October 02, 2006, 08:01:05 PM
has anyone else noticed that mwp2Paris is on the missing list and the very next blurb  talks about mwp2Paris in todays Daily Sheet?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on October 02, 2006, 08:02:37 PM
has anyone else noticed that mwp2Paris is on the missing list and the very next blurb  talks about mwp2Paris in todays Daily Sheet?

Hmm.  Are we sure the CIA isn't secretly running things here? :D :D :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on October 02, 2006, 09:07:03 PM
No outing the CIA operatives!!!  In answer to your question, folks in the book thread picked up on the irony and have PMd the MIAuthor.  And while we're at it, we might as well ask WHY he didn't read the Daily Sheet himself!

Hmmmph
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Monica LoveEmBoys on October 03, 2006, 10:05:27 AM
Hey guys -- in the daily sheet today there are several pictures from the Slash Bash that contain people who did not authorize the posting of their pictures outside of the slash threads.  Since the slash threads are in the members only section, we had two people authorize their pictures to be posted THERE only.

Please update the TDS:
The Saturday night gang photo has an edited version that is acceptable: HERE (http://www.sunponyranch.com/images/satnight group blurs.jpg)

The Lunch Group at Navy Pier, and the next both have pictures of Mondavi, that need to be edited or removed.  Any slash bash pictures that have been cross posted to the Reunion Pictures thread should be acceptable for TDS.

Monica
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on October 03, 2006, 11:52:38 AM
FYI this has been fixed --

and a note to everybody, -- if you consent to post your picture in a particular thread, then your pic is published and you are taking the risk it may show up in another thread.  We do our best to comply with all privacy requests but when you consent to publish your picture please be aware you are taking that risk.

Today's Daily Sheet has been modified to comply with the info LoveEmBoys provided.

Thanks
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on October 06, 2006, 08:58:00 AM
“I thought it might be worth creating a little comments page..."

Good Lord.  If this is Dave's idea of a "little comments page," his idea of a summer cottage must be Candy Spelling's mansion! :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on October 06, 2006, 04:23:43 PM
As Brokeback Mountain makes its way through the media distribution chain, our Forum continues to attract new members.  We may experience yet another wave when HBO begins to show our movie next month.  Only one short year ago, this would have been impossible to believe.  Here are a couple of early comments by Dave Cullen and Parenthetical Greg:

“I thought it might be worth creating a little comments page to centralize the Brokeback commentary of people coming by here in one place. I'm not sure anyone but me is actually interested enough yet to comment, but once the movie starts approaching U.S. distribution in December, they will be.”
Dave Cullen • 9/25/05; 10:45:12 PM #

“Maybe we should start a blog where people can post their own Brokeback-inspired stories?”
Parenthetical Greg • 12/14/05; 8:26:54 PM #

If you are feeling nostalgic for the old blog (or just curious), click here to visit Dave’s original Brokeback Blog. (http://rcs.salon.com/rcsComments/comments?u=1137&p=1685&link=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.salon.com%2F0001137%2F2005%2F09%2F25.html%23a1685)

Oh my god. That makes me laugh so hard now. I sure had no idea.

And I can't believe I missed our anniversary! Sorry, honey(s).

I can't believe we've been at this over a year, either. Wow.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on October 07, 2006, 05:52:13 AM
its still a few days from my brokeback anniversary (10/30/05) but i can surely believe it HAS been that year.  so very much water over the dam since then, and countless changes in my life.  the biggest is that that move i had been contemplating, albeit slightly modified will be occurring, come hell or high water in less than a fortnight, if i have to put a torch to the stuff i can't store or transport.

tropics here i come.

jack
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on October 12, 2006, 02:59:04 PM
Hey Sparky, you sure ain't easy to please ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on October 12, 2006, 02:59:54 PM
Thank you Jan for the information about Matthew Shepard and the upcoming event in NY.  Just a reminder, "The Laramie Project" will be shown at the Equality State Book Festival in Casper, WY. next week, followed by a discussion with Judy Shepard, Matthew's mother.  This happens on Oct. 20th, Friday.

Adrian
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on October 13, 2006, 01:56:21 PM
Thanks so much for the question regarding which actresses Larry McMurtry liked in the movies inspired by his books.  His independent thinking is a great inspiration to me!  Great issue today!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on October 13, 2006, 01:58:25 PM
                                                  really at 09:46pm

(...)
we had lots of excitement leading up to the gatherings, and strong feelings right after. as linda predicted, several active posters faded away after attending--they had reached a logical concluding point of their own. others were energized by the gatherings, and grew more active than ever. others didn't go and didn't care one way or another about that aspect, and went on as usual.

i wouldn't call all these latter events distinct phases for the forum, but things did gradually change. in these latter periods, though, it seems to me that the changes were less cohesive--meaning that say right before the oscars and right after, we had a massive number of members changing in the same direction. now we seem to be in more of a period where some are drifting one way, others another. i think that's fine, too. different stage.

we'll continue to evolve. some good friends will drift away; some of them will come back, some won't. and new people will drift in. i have a feeling that a year from now we will be referring to certain high-profile and long-term members who aren't even here today. and others will be up to 20,000 posts and still going crazy for nearly two years.

i really don't know how we're going to evolve, but we will. and some people will treasure the latest evolution, others will have no use for it. we'll come and we'll go. but hopefully most of you guys will be with us for quite awhile.

for everyone who has come and gone, and everyone with us and to everyone still to come: i never dreamed this forum was going to turn into this, and i am deeply grateful for all the insights and feelings and pain and sorrow and happiness and love we have shared. looking forward to a whole lot more.

d

Thanks, Dave, awesome post. I think all of us who are posting--and most of whom are or recently have gone into lurking mode--will definitely keep referring to you long after a year from now. This forum and the whole website has grown into an amazing teamwork, I know--and that for example has resulted in the great TDS series 'Meet the Creators'--but you founded this place that is the safe footpath down for I don't know how many hundreds of people previously stuck in a solitary spot upon Brokeback Mountain.



Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on October 13, 2006, 02:34:46 PM
Loved the DS congrats to all!

About Dave's post, I believe the the forum is going through normal growing pains and is morphing into something we can all participate in making. That will be fun.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Passion on October 13, 2006, 03:57:31 PM
Loved the DS congrats to all!

About Dave's post, I believe the the forum is going through normal growing pains and is morphing into something we can all participate in making. That will be fun.
I have really been enjoying TDS too!  It is a great summary of what is going on in and around the site!  Thanks Dave for making it a great place----I have so much fun here either lurking or participating in the discussion.  I do get sad when people I know move on but I also enjoy when new members start posting like crazy because I know that they are just so excited to have stumbled across this forum!!    :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: SquallCloud on October 13, 2006, 08:59:01 PM
Ummm we might want to get on this. I feel disrespected and this blog is misrepresenting Dave Cullen the man and davecullen the website. Despite all that this site has been done for the careers of those connected to the movie - nay the experience - of Brokeback Mountain, we are being savaged by some tertiary functionary in the Gyllenhaal camp?

Perhaps this is the anecdote I needed to snap me out of my BBM/Jake obsession.

http://stephengyllenhaal.wordpress.com/

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on October 14, 2006, 12:17:04 AM
Ummm we might want to get on this. I feel disrespected and this blog is misrepresenting Dave Cullen the man and davecullen the website. Despite all that this site has been done for the careers of those connected to the movie - nay the experience - of Brokeback Mountain, we are being savaged by some tertiary functionary in the Gyllenhaal camp?

Perhaps this is the anecdote I needed to snap me out of my BBM/Jake obsession.

http://stephengyllenhaal.wordpress.com/

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

Interesting catch, Squall. Not so sure Cantara is as low on the totem pole as you suggest though. And I'd hate to see this being responded to by screeds of savaging emails, which would only serve to reinforce her notion of DCF as being 'sinister'. A well-thought out and well-worded official-type response would be much better, IMHO. The last thing the fans on this forum want is an alienated Gyllenhaal camp .... not with the way they feel about Jake. JustJared is pretty sleazy and his stuff IS ... well, speculative and nasty at times.

It also got me in the heart where she says: NOW I know exactly how Jake feels. Not to his degree, but exactly the type of anger.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on October 14, 2006, 12:48:20 AM
OK, just caught up on thread reading and see that Meli and Dave are on this already ... good. Love the internet but sheesh, sometimes ....
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on October 14, 2006, 02:48:08 AM
I just read it. Why are we sinister? somewhat baffling, as nobody trashes jake here that i see anyway.....just the opposite.

It would be rather nauseating for us to get smeared like that. Hope we get follow up reports.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: SquallCloud on October 14, 2006, 12:23:46 PM
She's figured out how to use the locking functionality on her blog now.  ::) Who knows what kind of falsehoods she's spinning in there now.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on October 14, 2006, 12:30:20 PM
She's figured out how to use the locking functionality on her blog now.  ::) Who knows what kind of falsehoods she's spinning in there now.

It's a bit sad to see that the locked post is called More on Jake and Bottom Feeders ....
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on October 14, 2006, 12:40:16 PM
Hi all --

The more we respond on our site, the more we are giving in to the negative side of this.  We know who we are and we know we're sincere in our appreciation of the excellence of Brokeback Mountain and our admiration of the artists involved.  Let's not publicize erroneous messages in this thread.  This is something for our moderators and Dave to handle.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on October 14, 2006, 05:59:50 PM
Ummm we might want to get on this. I feel disrespected and this blog is misrepresenting Dave Cullen the man and davecullen the website.

http://stephengyllenhaal.wordpress.com/

 >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
I'd hate to see this being responded to by screeds of savaging emails, which would only serve to reinforce her notion of DCF as being 'sinister'. A well-thought out and well-worded official-type response would be much better, IMHO. The last thing the fans on this forum want is an alienated Gyllenhaal camp .... not with the way they feel about Jake.

Hi all --

The more we respond on our site, the more we are giving in to the negative side of this.  We know who we are and we know we're sincere in our appreciation of the excellence of Brokeback Mountain and our admiration of the artists involved.  Let's not publicize erroneous messages in this thread.  This is something for our moderators and Dave to handle.

thanks, SquallCloud, for bringing it to our attention. and thanks to elle_ann and tellyouwhat for some wise advice. i know how frustrating these situations can be sometimes, and i get how many of you were feeling hurt and/or angry the past day or two. the comment definitely took me by surprise. (especially since i've been working my ass off on this diet! hehehe.) thanks to everyone who felt anger but held off responding until we sorted it out. i really appreciate your patience and restraint.

i really wasn't sure what to make of it--seemed odd as much as anything--so i was prepared to defend our name, but my first goal was to just see what was actually going on.

i just spoke to cantara on the phone, and she could not have been nicer. she loves our site and what we have done for the film and everyone involved, and was very complimentary about us, the site, all of you.

she's going to write something to you all addressing the comment, but the gist of it is that she was venting months ago in an email in a moment, and she said something in passing that she feels bad about now. (hey, i've bitched about my mom before. and yeah, i meant the things when i said them. doesn't mean i don't love her. or that they those thoughts are representative of how i feel about her.)

when she put her correspondence out there with stephen, it was intended to be a small site illustrating how writers and editors communicated, and she really wasn't thinking about remarks that she made in passing or that word would ever get to us and we'd be insulted.

it's not how she feels about us today, and she assured me that neither she nor stephen nor jake bear any ill will or feelings toward us. quite the opposite.

and i've been a reporter for years, i have a pretty good bullshit detector, and it wasn't going off. she seemed like a very nice person, she feels really bad about hurt feelings, and she is sincerely appreciative of what we've done.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: SquallCloud on October 14, 2006, 10:16:15 PM
Okay.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lfmamma on October 15, 2006, 04:06:41 AM
she's going to write something to you all addressing the comment, but the gist of it is that she was venting months ago in an email in a moment, and she said something in passing that she feels bad about now. (hey, i've bitched about my mom before. and yeah, i meant the things when i said them. doesn't mean i don't love her. or that they those thoughts are representative of how i feel about her.)

Just for the record... She claims this is something old that popped up again, but in the blog post she was also talking about Maggie's baby - the little girl who was born only 12 days ago. So what does that say about Cantara and her explanation, really??
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on October 15, 2006, 09:21:42 AM
Look for tomorrow (Monday) Daily Sheet.   In the Dave Cullen tradition, we will show the world who we are.  Thread of the Day will be Jake's Eyelashes.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Bobbie on October 16, 2006, 06:02:05 AM
I feel very special today being mentioned so often on TDS.  Thanks!  Bobbie
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: melissasjack on October 16, 2006, 07:49:26 AM
I just wanted to say YIPPEE for TDS today! That pic of Jake (The first one!) is the one I use in my head when I write my fan fic story about Jack and Ennis! So a zillion thnak you1 Now I'm feeling extra inspired today!
 :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on October 16, 2006, 11:04:32 AM
Todays DS was very cool!!!

AND very well done. AND WE FORUM AUCTION BIDDERS  WANT "THE HAT", THE GLOVES, THE SPURS!!!!!  However they can keep Monroe's lousy tie.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Passion on October 16, 2006, 11:31:26 AM
I love the TDS today!  I think that mentioning how it is easy to forget our manners online was worth mentioning because I think that it is easy to judge others when you are not looking them in the face or talking to them on the phone.  I have been reduced to tears on this forum several times because I either misinterpreted what someone was saying about me or someone was just plain mean and forgot their manners.  I have stuck with it though--I love communicating with so many people I would never have the chance to meet.  The occasional tear I may have is worth it because my life is being so enriched by so many people here.   :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: trinket on October 16, 2006, 12:24:23 PM
Another classy movie by this forum, featuring Jake's Eyelashes in TDS !
It was wonderfully created and correctly captured the true character that IS Jake's Eyelashes!
THANK YOU   THANK YOU    THANK YOU !
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Melby on October 16, 2006, 02:31:27 PM
Lashers is where I started, lurking for a long while. They're fun, zany, racy, thoughtful, clever, very special folks. Diverse...but like a family. And really fast posters! Thank you for such a perfect story on TDS, esp. today. Others said it before me, "very well done" & "classy". I think you did indeed "show the world who we are", in a very positive way.

Love this forum!  Peace to all, Melby
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on October 16, 2006, 03:21:37 PM
Congrats and thanks TellYouWhat for the story from Larry McMurtry!!!    :)

Great work - it's wonderful to learn a little about our heros!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on October 16, 2006, 11:56:35 PM
It's about time for me to mention that wonderful interview Tellyouwhat [ Ellen] managed to procure for the Daily Sheet.  Larry McMurtry has been an inspiration for me personally. As a fledgeling writer you need examples, role models if you will. Larry is certainly one of my main exemplars. Along with  Diana Ossama, Annie Proulx, Gibbon, Caeser--an odd collection but a good one!--Larry McMurtry teaches others how to write while telling a damned good story.

I particularly like the respect  re the way this interview was presented to readers--his own thread, no less. This should be done from now on. When we get writers of such quality who are willing to spend time with us they deserve no less.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on October 17, 2006, 02:04:40 AM
And the Forum NEEDS to know this: Brokeback Mountain has changed Wyoming English. I had dinner with Forum Member wyomen tonight, in my favorite reeeeally wierd town, Cheyenne. He told me that  we are now called BROKEBACKERS.[  Hows that for a hoot. No queers up in Wyo, just Brokebackers. Wait until photocaps gets awind of it hahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha]
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on October 17, 2006, 02:26:07 AM
And the Forum NEEDS to know this: Brokeback Mountain has changed Wyoming English. I had dinner with Forum Member wyomen tonight, in my favorite reeeeally wierd town, Cheyenne. He told me that  we are now called BROKEBACKERS.[  Hows that for a hoot. No queers up in Wyo, just Brokebackers. Wait until photocaps gets awind of it hahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha]

Hey Jack! I'd already made a note of this for TDS tomorrow, after your PM. LOL, too funny!!!!
Elle
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on October 17, 2006, 10:47:50 AM
"Somewhere out there exist extreme far right gay Republicans. I pity them. I fantasize about beating them with large blunt instruments that sport rusty spikes."

STILL laughing at this one, Sparky.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on October 17, 2006, 01:04:42 PM
And the Forum NEEDS to know this: Brokeback Mountain has changed Wyoming English. I had dinner with Forum Member wyomen tonight, in my favorite reeeeally wierd town, Cheyenne. He told me that  we are now called BROKEBACKERS.[  Hows that for a hoot. No queers up in Wyo, just Brokebackers. Wait until photocaps gets awind of it hahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha]
You should have been there when wyomen was herdin' us up and around Brokenback Mountain this June.  Took weeks to get his paint marks off our wool.  Baaah!
 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on October 17, 2006, 01:50:35 PM
I know, baaah!       :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on October 17, 2006, 02:49:06 PM
Hi all,

I wanted to point out, concerning the 'no forum events scheduled' this thread:

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=15406.0

You might want to check with John before featuring it in the Daily Sheet, but it sure seems like a forum event.

mf
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Melby on October 17, 2006, 03:08:42 PM
Yeah! Sparky's column part 4 is here!
Love your stuff so much, Sparky. Your anecdotes, thoughts, even your individual word choices! I LOL at almost every line. Thank you. Will hope for more.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: playitagain on October 17, 2006, 03:57:15 PM
Yeah! Sparky's column part 4 is here!
Love your stuff so much, Sparky. Your anecdotes, thoughts, even your individual word choices! I LOL at almost every line. Thank you. Will hope for more.

Love Sparky's column -- what a breath of fresh air in a murky world!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: sparky on October 17, 2006, 06:48:36 PM
Shucks. I'm blushing.
I aim to please, folks. ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on October 18, 2006, 05:54:43 AM
I just want to wish our great TDS "founding editors" the very best as their real lives re-emerge. Thank you all for a daily newsletter I enjoy more than the daily headlines from the NYTimes. TDS makes me either laugh or cry every day; the NYTimes doesn't do that for me. The team of volunteers you leave behind have already been doing top quality work, and I look forward to many more mornings with coffee and TDS.

Thanks and best wishes to all - past, present, and future.

- KittyHawk
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Jay63 on October 18, 2006, 09:11:52 AM
Jan and Ellen -
Many Thanks to you for putting The Daily Sheet together so well.   It is where I go first when logging in and always has great leads on stuff I'd hate to miss otherwise.    The quality of my life has increased in part due to your volunteer efforts.
Best Wishes.
Jay
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on October 18, 2006, 12:26:24 PM
Ingrained Thinking!

In my new campaign to diminish the view of AMPAS and the oscars as the end all and be all of film taste, I continually find myself re-wording my own sentences.

For example, I used to see a film with an amazing performance and say "Do you think they'll get an oscar nomination?"  Now I say:  "Do you think they'll get award nominations?" or something similar.

In that spirit, how I would change this sentence in today's Daily Sheet:

"Ang Lee, who won the 2005 Academy Best Director Award for the film Brokeback Mountain, has committed himself to the challenging task. "
 
to:

"Ang Lee, who won over 25 awards as Best Director for the film Brokeback Mountain, including the DGA, BAFTA, and (if you must) Academy Award, has committed himself to the challenging task."
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: sydney on October 18, 2006, 12:31:55 PM
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Jan and Ellen -
Many Thanks to you for putting The Daily Sheet together so well.   It is where I go first when logging in and always has great leads on stuff I'd hate to miss otherwise.    The quality of my life has increased in part due to your volunteer efforts.
Best Wishes.
Jay
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Hey girls you made a great contribution to our little community here.....thanks so much for your time and effort. 
sydney
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on October 18, 2006, 04:48:57 PM
Jan and Ellen,  Thank you always for the priceless contributions you two have made to this Forum.  I've enjoyed every single Daily Sheet.  I wish you both well in your future endeavors, and hope that you both have more time, now, to roam the halls here and enjoy all that this site has to offer.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: desperadum on October 18, 2006, 06:47:41 PM
TDS Gals - Allow me to echo the previous comments singing your praises. I know how much works goes into such an enterprise, and you guys consistently did a great job. Sorry I can't hug you in person, as we did in Texas, but know I'm sending psychic hugs of appreciation your way!  Love, Des
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on October 18, 2006, 06:53:51 PM
whoever comes after these two class acts will have very big shoes to fill
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mary on October 18, 2006, 07:04:24 PM
Jan and Ellen,
Thank you for starting the wonderful DS and for all the hard work you put into it
Congrats on finding some wonderful folks to carry on the great work. 
 In the words of Melissasjack:
You rock!! :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CellarDweller115 on October 18, 2006, 08:33:15 PM
Ellen and Jan!

thanks for all of your hard work on the Daily Sheets!  You will be missed.


elle_ann, kmich, gnash, and twistedboy, I know you will keep the great Daily Sheets coming!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on October 18, 2006, 08:55:14 PM
 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

I so much appreciate all your messages -- I would not come in here to interrupt except I am on my way out of town early in the morning.

You have all meant so much to me-- and will in the future.

I'm on my pilgrimage to Wyoming due to the courage I have gained from participating here.

And I will re-surface with a few more Daily Sheets before next week ends.

Love
Ellen
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on October 18, 2006, 09:24:26 PM
Oh, Ellen, good for you.  Give Wyoming a big hug from all of us!   :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fritzkep on October 19, 2006, 08:16:54 AM
Jan and Ellen, thank you so much for the work you have done in producing such a wonderful series of newsletters.

elle_ann, kmich, Jimmy, and Gonzo, you have big shoes to fill, as has been said before, but I'm sure you all will do a great job. I know from first hand that Jimmy's talents are limitless.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on October 19, 2006, 08:43:02 AM
This is all very overwhelming -- but much appreciated!

When we started out, we had NO idea that TDS would become so popular here.    I'll miss it but won't miss you all since I still plan to be active on the Forum -- and, in fact, look forward to having more time to engage on the threads. 

So, thanks to you, our readers and friends!   Hugs!   Jan

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on October 19, 2006, 11:18:43 AM
Hi All,

Just wanted to say that elle-ann and I are very aware that we have some big shoes to fill!  :D We'll do our best to uphold the high standards that have been set for TDS. After helping out for only about a month or so, I have to stay that I've been amazed at how much work goes into TDS and at Ellen's and Jan's (and twistedboy's!) ability to sustain that pace for so long. They've all been absolute sweethearts about showing me the ropes and I greatly appreciate it.

Kathy
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on October 19, 2006, 11:28:07 AM
Hi All,

Just wanted to say that elle-ann and I are very aware that we have some big shoes to fill!  :D We'll do our best to uphold the high standards that have been set for TDS. After helping out for only about a month or so, I have to stay that I've been amazed at how much work goes into TDS and at Ellen's and Jan's (and twistedboy's!) ability to sustain that pace for so long. They've all been absolute sweethearts about showing me the ropes and I greatly appreciate it.

Kathy

*What she said*  ;D

Ellen and Jan have indeed raised the bar when it comes to the quality of an online forum's daily news sheet - in fact, I'm wondering now if there are any other forums out there which publish a daily sheet of any sort? Does any one know? It's not a phenomenom I'd come across before I arrived here ....

Anyway, my thanks too, to Ellen especially who held my hand through my first couple of Wednesdays ... *hugs to you, hon*. I hope that we'll continue to enjoy the support (and the story leads!) from the Forum as a whole - we'll certain do our best to try and deliver the kind of TDS you've all become accustomed to!

Elle
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on October 19, 2006, 11:32:56 AM
Oh, Ellen, good for you.  Give Wyoming a big hug from all of us!   :-*
And Wyomen!      :) ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on October 19, 2006, 11:37:26 AM
OMG OMG OMG we love you Ellen and Jan!! Thanks so much for all you do!!

And elle_ann, kmich, gnash, and twistedboy, thanks for taking on the task for the future!    :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: sparky on October 19, 2006, 12:12:26 PM
Ellen and Jan are both rock stars.
And on top of that, Jan sometimes also dons a cape and is Wonder Woman.

Hotshit. That's the costume, Jan !
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on October 19, 2006, 12:22:17 PM
I'm wondering now if there are any other forums out there which publish a daily sheet of any sort? Does any one know? It's not a phenomenom I'd come across before I arrived here ....

Elle

Yes. Ennis & Jack forum has a newsletter.  Their's is only weekly and cannot be compared to the sheer volume of content produced on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on October 19, 2006, 01:39:38 PM
Ellen and Jan are both rock stars.
And on top of that, Jan sometimes also dons a cape and is Wonder Woman.

Hotshit. That's the costume, Jan !

Oh, god, Sparks -- you know I don't have the body to carry that off!    Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BrokenOkie on October 19, 2006, 05:26:41 PM
Jan & Ellen -

Thank You!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: killersmom on October 19, 2006, 05:45:06 PM
Thanks so much for all the effort and hard work I know that you both have put into this endeavor and the great results you produced day after day!  Much luck in all that you do in the future and hope to see you in more and more threads around the forum!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on October 19, 2006, 07:37:48 PM
Ellen and Jan are both rock stars.
And on top of that, Jan sometimes also dons a cape and is Wonder Woman.

Hotshit. That's the costume, Jan !

Oh, god, Sparks -- you know I don't have the body to carry that off!    Jan

That's why God made corsets!   ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on October 20, 2006, 12:59:05 AM
That's why God made corsets!   ;D

I always thought Satan did that - both because they are painful and soooo sexy....
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on October 20, 2006, 06:31:09 AM
That's why God made corsets!   ;D

I always thought Satan did that - both because they are painful and soooo sexy....

Oh, Jeez,  Here I was perfectly content to just be a pirate and now you guys have me all laced-up!  Mmmmmmmmmmmmm now maybe if it were leather. . . .and I had a whip. . . . .!   jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jack on October 20, 2006, 11:31:44 AM
all of the gents posing have also served in iraq, and all of them recieved injuries of varying severity.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: graylockV on October 20, 2006, 01:40:35 PM
Quote from TDS 2006/10/20
Quote
2007 Military Calendar Competes with Brokeback Calendar

SFGate: Culture Blog! wonders:  Is this the gayest military calendar ever?

“Sure, some soccer moms in Colorado will swoon over this calendar. Sure it might sell big in small military towns across George Bush's red 'Merka. But is it also just a little weird and odd and funny and telling that this calendar is also almost exactly like the beefcake calendars you find in, say, the Castro?”

Beefcake isn’t the half of it. Jack and Ennis actually have surrogates in the calendar’s June photo, as I point out in this post in Photo Captioning Fun:

In honor of the America’s Heroes 2007 Calendar, featured in today’s Daily Sheet:

(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/tfmisc/AmericasHeroes2007CalendarJune.jpg)

Marine (thinks): You don’t suppose the photographer who composed
this picture has seen Brokeback Mountain, do you?

 
 
(http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g75/tfmisc/tfmiscbyline.jpg)
 

I can just imagine the photographer thinking: “If they’re not asking me why I’m posing them this way, I’m not telling them that I’m turning them into gay icons.”


I must say - I am very taken with that reflection in the rear view mirror!   Ah, youth.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on October 21, 2006, 07:28:39 AM
The Daily Sheet is getting better and better!
Thanks to all for your fine work :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on October 21, 2006, 07:57:06 AM
Jan and Ellen, thankyou so much for all your splendid work with TDS. Also thanks to all who assisted you. Good luck and many hugs from me to both of you in what comes next.

Welcome to the new TDS crew!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on October 21, 2006, 08:03:29 AM
Elvan,

Just wanted to say I LOVE your sig line!!!

Just what I needed to hear today ...  ;)  :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on October 21, 2006, 12:02:08 PM
TRINKET IS IN THE PAPER TODAY!!!!!   HOORAY!!!!     :-* :-*   
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on October 21, 2006, 12:51:36 PM
Thanks for the welcome, Elvan! (and others) 

Love your avatar, too. We're in the home stretch for the book--fingers crossed!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on October 23, 2006, 11:33:34 AM
Ellen, I'm so glad that you found the illustrated Close Range for Annie to sign! You turned that excursion into a great story! Thanks!

- Lydia
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on October 23, 2006, 02:37:19 PM
I was just looking in the Close Range thread and found that tfmisc posted all six of the illustrations from Close Range in the thread!  If I had known that yesterday I would have put the link in the Daily Sheet, but here it is now for anyone who has not seen them yet.

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=12416.msg530898#msg530898
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Front-Ranger on October 23, 2006, 04:25:44 PM
Hey, Ellen, it was great to meet with you in Casper last weekend! Hope the rest of your stay was enjoyable. ptannen and I took the scenic route back to Denver and saw Independence Rock, the covered wagon ruts, and Laramie. I've started posting some pictures and reviews over on Bettermost on the Social Events forum. You have to be a registered user to see it. Best regards, Front-Ranger (Lee)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on October 23, 2006, 04:57:30 PM
Welcome Front Ranger!  So glad to see you over here.  I actually am a member over on your board but I have never posted.  I'll be over to look at the pics as soon as I get a chance.  Still catching up with things going on over here!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: trinket on October 23, 2006, 06:26:26 PM
This forum has given me so much joy these past 9 months. I just wanted to say how much I appreciate the staff of The Daily Sheet for giving me the opportunity to be profiled this past weekend.
It was a privilage and an honor.   Very nice, THANK YOU SO MUCH !
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on October 24, 2006, 01:30:40 AM
coming a bit late to thank Ellen and Jan, but I will anyway. You're both an example to us all. love Chris xxx
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: killersmom on October 25, 2006, 09:15:27 AM
Elle_ann...thanks so much for TDS today. I always enjoy all of them, but today's was especially good, so just wanted to let you know. It has a wealth of information and just overall a good feeling!!!
It is really great and to get all the advanced notice on things! A very good job!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on October 25, 2006, 11:32:04 AM
Elle_ann...thanks so much for TDS today. I always enjoy all of them, but today's was especially good, so just wanted to let you know. It has a wealth of information and just overall a good feeling!!!
It is really great and to get all the advanced notice on things! A very good job!!

Thank you so much!! I have to say, it's wonderful when the news-out-there co-operates so sweetly, providing us with all sorts of interesting things to pass on to you guys.   ;)

But seriously, as both Kathy and I have discovered over the last six weeks or so, producing TDS is fun, but takes a lot of energy, so its really cool to hear that the results are appreciated! So, thanks again!!  :D

Elle
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on October 25, 2006, 12:19:24 PM
elle_ann that was great. It's exciting that the cd will be out soon, and the whole page was fun. thanks!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fritzkep on October 25, 2006, 12:39:21 PM
Yes, Elle_Ann, wonderful work. I'm really surprised that the DVD won't be released before Christmas. I'd buy a bunch for Christmas presents, if they were available.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on October 25, 2006, 12:48:55 PM
they probably want the old stock to sell first. At Christmas.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on October 25, 2006, 01:12:57 PM
I just heard there's good news in New Jersey!!   4 to 3!     :) :) :) :-*

And I quote: "The times have changed."     Hooray!!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on October 25, 2006, 01:15:39 PM
4 to 3 what???
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on October 25, 2006, 01:21:43 PM
They are supposed to announce their decision on gay marriage today at 3...   chews fingernails ...

http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/national/MI31623/
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on October 25, 2006, 02:07:17 PM
perfect timing for the administration to use it. perfect timing to make people forget George i's a moron, too. How DO we fall into this trap over and over again?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on October 25, 2006, 02:42:08 PM
Probably won't make much difference in the elections, since Diebold / Bush already program the voting machines!      ::)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Cameron816 on October 25, 2006, 03:52:54 PM
Elle_ann...thanks so much for TDS today. I always enjoy all of them, but today's was especially good, so just wanted to let you know. It has a wealth of information and just overall a good feeling!!!
It is really great and to get all the advanced notice on things! A very good job!!
Hopefully we can get this added to the "Ultimate Brokeback Store" so we can get credit for pre-sales.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on October 25, 2006, 04:42:50 PM
So about the New Jersey court decision on gay marriage...

If I understand correctly, the 3 who dissented were actually taking a stronger position for gay marriage.

Their position was that the state should provide marriage to same-sex couples the same way it provides to mixed-sex couples.

(I love that they used the term "Mixed-sex couples"    :)  :-* :)   )

The prevailing decision - that the legislature has to devise a way for the state to provide at least something "like" marriage - was still favorable, but not as favorable.

The really GOOD take on this is that the state supreme court UNANIMOUSLY favored at least something like marriage.     ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on October 25, 2006, 06:04:53 PM
This forum has given me so much joy these past 9 months. I just wanted to say how much I appreciate the staff of The Daily Sheet for giving me the opportunity to be profiled this past weekend.
It was a privilage and an honor.   Very nice, THANK YOU SO MUCH !


Well, thank you, trinket, for agreeing to let us profile you.  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on October 26, 2006, 07:13:34 AM
Thanks CactusGal for your fine work it was much appreciated, hope to see you around on the threads! :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: TwistsBitch on October 26, 2006, 07:35:39 AM
Thanks for all your hard work CactusGal! Now don't stray too far into the Eyelashes thread - you may never be seen again if you do!  :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on October 26, 2006, 07:45:36 AM
Thank you, Jan, for another wonderful edition of TDS.  Best of luck with the next chapter in your life, and I look forward to bumping into you all over the forum now.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: playitagain on October 26, 2006, 07:46:44 AM
You sure now how to make a gorgeous exit: nice work and acknowledgements.  thanks to you and all that you named!  wow!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fritzkep on October 26, 2006, 07:49:57 AM
Jan, it was great to meet you at the BBQ; I remember how busy you were even while it was going on. I hope we can meet again sometime, and thank you so much for all your work for us.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: In Tears on October 26, 2006, 09:17:25 AM
We are the fortunate ones, Jan!  You have brought so much to the Brokeback community; now it is our turn to cheer you on! 

You will be missed.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: DCLuke on October 26, 2006, 09:22:51 AM
Jan, you have done an oustanding job with TDS and many other projects on the Forum.  You inspire me with your selflessness and generosity. I will miss your editions of TDS (I read every one of them!), but I look forward to staying in touch and seeing what new opportunities life brings your way.

Best wishes always.

Lucas
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on October 26, 2006, 10:30:05 AM
Jan, you and Ellen have both done a terrific job, and really set the bar quite high for those stepping into your shoes.  Good work, guys.

(And now I can stop holding my breath -- Sparky has reached the end of his list, and I didn't fit any of the types he mentioned!)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on October 26, 2006, 12:39:51 PM
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h253/montezumae_2006/collage29.jpg)
saying it with flowers - thank you Jan - you and Ellen have provided my essential reading ever since you started TDS
hugs Chris
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on October 26, 2006, 01:14:42 PM
Checking in from the road at Escondido Public Library to say what a joy it has been to work with CactusGay and Tellyouwhat.

And, of course, now that you're not editing the daily sheet I can't wait to see you in threadland more!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: sparky on October 26, 2006, 09:55:55 PM
Jan is here in LA and has no access to email yet. But she wanted me to relay her thanks for all the nice comments.
She'll be checking in soon. Probably tomnorrow night when she is at Camp Sparky.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: sparky on October 26, 2006, 09:56:57 PM
(And now I can stop holding my breath -- Sparky has reached the end of his list, and I didn't fit any of the types he mentioned!)

OMG. Did I forget control freaks ?
 ;D
 :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on October 27, 2006, 04:22:43 AM
Jan, Thank You so much for the wonderful Daily Sheets you've given us. I will miss your gentle  wit, your intelligence, your insights,  the enormous compassion you have  brought to our newspaper. I will miss the shrewd  'news' judgements you've made, .

I will miss your passion and your style.

I know...time for other things. We look forward towards seeing you around the threads, where we will again be the richer for your thoughts.

And last but not least I'm overwhelmed at your decision to use MY post in your final  edition.  Didn't have a clue, lol. I'm nervous about tomorrow and while tired, I couldn't sleep; figured I'd check out the Thursday DS and go back to bed. Well... first I saw it was your FINAL DS.Now THAT was a surprise, we've been so busy and drained since the  Book Expo that I didn't realise you were leaving roday, I thought it was NEXT Thursday! [ truly, i can be one clueless male at times!] Then I saw my own post and was floored.

It always surprises me when someone thinks a post of mine is special; you have no idea how humble I feel about your decision to use it on your last day. Thank you soooo much jan, for everything..................with any luck it will give someone else  hope.  that's what BBM can give to people  if you open up your heart.

Hope.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on October 27, 2006, 06:54:51 AM
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Dear Ellen
Thank you for the amazing difference you have made to my life and others.
May you have huge success with the writing
love
Chris
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on October 27, 2006, 07:50:03 AM
Ellen, thank you so much for all your hard work in bringing the TDS to the Forum, and doing it with style, wit and intelligence.  You are a treasure.  What a way to go out, with your fabulous story on Annie Proulx.  Good luck with your future endeavors, and I look forward to seeing you around the threads.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fritzkep on October 27, 2006, 08:03:23 AM
Ellen, you really started out your editorship with a bang! The story of Ms Proulx's speech and answer to questions was super, as was the whole article! Thanks so much!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mary on October 27, 2006, 08:53:37 AM
Ellen
Thanks So much for the great story about the Book Fair with AP.  It was wonderful to hear about it from you and the others there. 
And thanks so much for being such an important part of bringing the DS to us - I look forward to each each day
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on October 27, 2006, 10:48:02 AM
Many thanks Ellen and Jan for months of wonderful reading... We'll miss you in the paper, but we'll see you in the threads !  !!    :'( :-*

And thanks to bb1, Adrian, Front-Ranger, and Ellen for the coverage of Annie's talk today!!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on October 27, 2006, 01:37:14 PM
You folks have give us the next best thing to being in Casper.
 
Can't thank you enough...and you've just escaped the snow!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on October 27, 2006, 03:19:32 PM
Okay, okay, okay.

You just had to mention that the first PM from a forum member came from me and that I was in full-chastise mode.  "No that's not right, nag, nag, nag."  (Isn't it obvious that I'm a Virgo, always seeking perfection.  And in this madhouse of all places.)  It has been a pleasure working with both of you gals and has given me great opportunity to practice my mission of perfecting the world.  "Excuse me, but this link just doesn't make any sense!!  Maybe you should try this one?"   ;) ;)  I can't exactly say I'll miss you cuz yer really not going anywhere, but I will miss correcting your hideous mangling of the English language (both of you).   :P :P

With much love and a sincere hope that your lives be as fun not being TDS editors as it was back in the day when you were.

Yours sincerely,

twistedboy
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fritzkep on October 28, 2006, 08:43:12 AM
Wow! I didn't expect to be quoted in TDS! Thank you!

But being a bit of a language buff, as many of you know, I have to point out that my words were a paraphrase, not a translation. Anyone reading German will enjoy his longer and much more detailed description of his encounter, linked below. I'm afraid my paraphrase was knocked off as I read the original and switching between windows and is not terribly good.

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=8638.msg541747#msg541747

But thank you anyway, Kmich!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on October 28, 2006, 10:06:12 AM
I can't exactly say I'll miss you cuz yer really not going anywhere,

True!

Quote

but I will miss correcting your hideous mangling of the English language (both of you).   :P :P

Why don't you tell us what you REALLY think?   ???

Quote

With much love and a sincere hope that your lives be as fun not being TDS editors as it was back in the day when you were.

Yours sincerely,

twistedboy


Likewise to you Gonzie.

And thanks to all of you for your kind messages, some of them public, some of them private.  Lyle said it felt like the "last day of school" which is sad but also, I reminded him, lessons are over, now time to play!

(and the new editors are doing so great, it is impossible not to notice.)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: NWWaguy on October 28, 2006, 03:33:17 PM
I am truly saddened yet again, by the politics-of-personal-destruction New Yorker magazine cover.  It was a baseless, ugly choice to begin with ... and to think the 'editors and publishers' org find this one the 'best' is disheartening, to say the least.  And, now, to find it plastered on TDS makes my heart sink.

Did we learn nothing from BBM?  ... to parody this incredibly important and moving film to score political points of such ugliness?  Clearly, the editors of New Yorker in particular and the others who voted for this disgrace, either did not see the film or got nothing from it if they did.

Sorry to feel I have to say this. I LOVE TDS and enjoy the insights, articles, links and all it offers.  Thanks for all your good, hard work. I just wish this one hadn't been included.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on October 28, 2006, 08:32:24 PM
NWWaguy, I am responding only as the former daily sheet editor -- not in defense or support, only observation. 

Well, a little bit of support, because when I read today's TDS that item seemed to me only to have a Brokeback connection, the political side did not jump out at me at all.  But of course that is because I mostly subscribe to the politics of the New Yorker.  But I believe kmich was only reporting all aspects of a Brokeback-related story of interest to our readers.

Here is something strange--  I remember that cover.  At the time I had not read or seen Brokeback Mountain, and was merely tired of the hype surrounding the movie.  As I recall that cover bumped another one scheduled, because it was considered so timely.  Mostly, I thought it was a poke in the eye linking the conservative G. Bush and Cheney with the well-known "gay" themed poster of the movie.  Had I been enamored of the movie at that time, I don't think I would have liked the cover-- it strikes me as disrespectful of Brokeback Mountain.  I think you said the same thing.

I am sorry you are sad-- truly-- dialogue between both political sides is necessary, and you are one of the best at that.  But I wish I could convey to you my very great sadness at everything I have been forced to watch the current administration do over the last six years.  The characterization by the artist, as described in the award, seems to me so much common knowledge, so mild compared to the way I feel about those two, you have no idea the sadness.  I am sad we are all so sad.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on October 28, 2006, 09:14:39 PM
Another matter of interest --

During the Annie Proulx panel in Wyoming last week, when the topic was cowboy myths and realities, one person asked the panel about how George Bush is called a "cowboy" overseas, and that is clearly not meant as a complement.  Annie Proulx stated that the term "cowboy" is often used abroad to describe Americans who go it alone, make erroneous decisions, assert their own will and generally mess things up for others.  Then she said:

"If it can be said that Noah was an extensive shipper of livestock, then George Bush is an extensive shoveler of BS."

I hope the religious right don't read our site and give AP any more grief.  It was at that point that Front Ranger asked her question about sacred cows in the hope the conversation could end on a more positive note.  Which it did.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on October 28, 2006, 10:11:19 PM
Hi NWWaguy,

Your post reminds me of something I asked when I first started working with Ellen and Jan on TDS, and that was: Do we at TDS only focus on the 'good' stuff, or do we report on all manner of BBM-related and gay-themed issues? As far as I can remember, we talked this back and forth and my understanding at the end of it was that we will at times run articles, provide links etc to items that are Brokeback-related or gay-themed, not because they are postitive, but because they exist and its good for us as readers and BBM-supporters to stay informed as to what the rest of the world is up to.  As a 'news' sheet, we try to link you to 'the news'. (Some of our readers have told us that they only read TDS and don't bother with everyday newspapers - wow!  :D)

Having said all that, however, I know we DO aim to include items that are mostly  interesting, informative and entertaining! We definitely aim for a happy-slant!!

I'm sorry you were unhappy with this link. I agree it is not necessarily the nicest thing the New Yorker ever did but it was a news story that was popping up all over the net, and it was BBM-related, so, as Ellen said, on that basis, we included it.

One of the nicest things about TDS, for me, is the existence of THIS thread, where we as eds can interact with readers, hearing your feedback both good and not-so-good, hearing what you want to read about, what you enjoy etc etc. That really helps us in our forward planning!! So thanks for your feedback on this one and we look forward to more conversations with you all!!

Thanks,  :-*
Elle



Sorry to feel I have to say this. I LOVE TDS and enjoy the insights, articles, links and all it offers.  Thanks for all your good, hard work. I just wish this one hadn't been included.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on October 29, 2006, 09:00:20 AM
I'm sorry I'm coming a little late to this discussion. I was away all day yesterday so I'm just catching up on responses now. First off, I'm sorry that the New Yorker item saddened you, NWWaguy. That certainly wasn't the intent. However, as Ellen and Elle so eloquently stated, TDS strives to cover all BBM-related "news" items. As time passes, those items become fewer and farther between. So this was a legitimate item to cover.

While I agree that the New Yorker cover was implicitly "political," I don't think it was solely political. There are other non-political connections that could be drawn between BBM and that cover. George W. Bush has been erroneously referred to as a "cowboy," as Ennis and Jack were erroneously called cowboys. And, as Cheney's home state is Wyoming, there's another non-political connection. So there are many facets to that cover.   

Thanks to everyone for their feedback. As Elle stated, it's wonderful to have this thread where we can interact with readers and get their thoughts. 

Many thanks to Ellen and Elle for responding while I was out of the loop.

Kathy
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on October 29, 2006, 10:41:15 AM
Wow! I didn't expect to be quoted in TDS! Thank you!

But being a bit of a language buff, as many of you know, I have to point out that my words were a paraphrase, not a translation. Anyone reading German will enjoy his longer and much more detailed description of his encounter, linked below. I'm afraid my paraphrase was knocked off as I read the original and switching between windows and is not terribly good.

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=8638.msg541747#msg541747

But thank you anyway, Kmich!



No problem. Thanks for the paraphrase of Ben's post. I don't know a lick of German so I would've completely missed out on this great little story without your help.  :)

Kathy
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on October 29, 2006, 01:34:45 PM
It's a bit late but better late then never.

Bye Ellen.

We will miss the way you edited TDS, it  made one think, and never once failed to inform or  amuse its' readers. You did a Good Job.

And Hi Ellen!

See you around the threads, we've missed your posts.

Jack
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on October 29, 2006, 01:37:00 PM
hey, kmich!!!

Looks like you've started off with a bang!! You've taken on an enormous job.

Good luck from all of us.

jack
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on October 29, 2006, 07:53:35 PM
hey, kmich!!!

Looks like you've started off with a bang!! You've taken on an enormous job.

Good luck from all of us.

jack

Thanks! Nothing like stirring the pot on the first time out, eh?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on October 30, 2006, 12:50:10 PM
From Today's edition:
Quote
The film [Babel] is receiving generally positive reviews, with Bob Strauss of dailynews.com calling Santaolalla's and Prieto's contributions "career-best."

However, I have read several reviews of this film, so far, comparing it to Crash.  This makes me cringe.

For example:

In a generally negative review, Newsweek's David Ansen makes the following observation:

"...many people find 'Babel' deeply moving...A lot of people felt that way about 'Crash," which also seemed as if it had been conceived on a diagram board, from the outside in, rather than the inside out."

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Melby on October 31, 2006, 06:00:10 PM
Really enjoyed reading all the interesting forum stats in honor of the 5,000th member.
Also, please keep including the reviews of slash.
Nice job all around, thanks!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on November 01, 2006, 06:32:04 AM
Elle and Kathy, you all are doing a great job of continuing the high standards set by Ellen and Jan on TDS. Love getting my BBM news this way.

Gnash, wonderful "ads" in todays TDS. Now I want to know if anyone else, in a moment of foolish hope, clicked on the little green here.

icbiwoop for myself!   ;D ;D ;D

- KittyHawk
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on November 01, 2006, 06:41:41 AM
snorked my coffee on gnash's featured post.

And I, too, love getting all the forum news that's fit to print this way.
You ladies are doing a great job in upholding the standard for the Daily Sheet!!  Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on November 01, 2006, 06:42:15 AM
Elle and Kathy, you all are doing a great job of continuing the high standards set by Ellen and Jan on TDS. Love getting my BBM news this way.

Gnash, wonderful "ads" in todays TDS. Now I want to know if anyone else, in a moment of foolish hope, clicked on the little green here[/color].

icbiwoop for myself!   ;D ;D ;D

- KittyHawk

Heh heh heh, yeah, I did!!!  ;D and ICBIWOOP for me too... LOL!! Gnash, those ads are absolutely priceless, real BBM classics. You're a genius!  :-*
Elle
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on November 01, 2006, 08:27:33 AM
Thanks so much, Kittyhawk and IJSE! We know we have high standards to live up to.

And gnash's posts are just the best!! Sheer genius. Like so many others, I was disappointed that the here didn't work.  :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on November 01, 2006, 08:38:08 AM
I can't believe that I'm still clicking on the green here's that you all keep typing - just in case!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on November 01, 2006, 09:38:38 AM
Thanks for the great sheet!  I am also a stupid click here clicker, you caught me Gnash!

The Thumbs In collection is a must!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: gnash on November 01, 2006, 09:47:03 PM
oh jeez, like you haven't seen jake (http://skinindex.com/archives/wmplayer2006-01-1201-06-50-21-thumb.jpg) in a thong (http://skinindex.com/archives/wmplayer2006-01-1201-06-49-52-thumb.jpg) already.....  but i suppose you are craving a frontal shot...?  ;D    can't help you there! ;) :D




Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on November 01, 2006, 10:02:25 PM
Oh geez like prior history would stop us from clicking again.. and again!

I WANT that fishin buddy 3 in 1 jacket by the way-- I've been trying to order it all day, can't get through  >:(
 :) ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on November 01, 2006, 10:08:40 PM
Oh geez like prior history would stop us from clicking again.. and again!

I WANT that fishin' buddy 3 in 1 jacket by the way-- I've been trying to order it all day, can't get through  >:(
 :) ;)

Anyone have the number for Clickaholics Anonymous??   ;D ;D

Sounds like we have enough members here to start a local group!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: killersmom on November 01, 2006, 10:23:49 PM
Anyone have the number for Clickaholics Anonymous??   ;D ;D
Well count me in.....

oh jeez, like you haven't seen jake (http://skinindex.com/archives/wmplayer2006-01-1201-06-50-21-thumb.jpg) in a thong (http://skinindex.com/archives/wmplayer2006-01-1201-06-49-52-thumb.jpg) already.....  but i suppose you are craving a frontal shot...?  ;D    can't help you there! ;) :D

but he made THESE ^^^ work!!!!!!!

Just messing with our heads!!!!!!!!!! :P :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on November 01, 2006, 10:26:19 PM
OMG you devil!

killersmom you are very thorough!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on November 01, 2006, 10:28:05 PM

oh jeez, like you haven't seen jake (http://skinindex.com/archives/wmplayer2006-01-1201-06-50-21-thumb.jpg) in a thong (http://skinindex.com/archives/wmplayer2006-01-1201-06-49-52-thumb.jpg) already.....  but i suppose you are craving a frontal shot...?  ;D    can't help you there! ;) :D

but he made THESE ^^^ work!!!!!!!

Just messing with our heads!!!!!!!!!! :P :D

Gnash aka The Click Pimp  ....
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: gnash on November 02, 2006, 02:43:49 AM

Gnash aka The Click Pimp  ....

elle, i resemble that remark!!! :D :D

okay, so here's the other shot of  "that model" (http://taxine.com/fullerspicer/jack_catalog_thong.jpg) in a thong... ;)   

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on November 02, 2006, 05:54:41 AM
oh jeez, like you haven't seen jake (http://skinindex.com/archives/wmplayer2006-01-1201-06-50-21-thumb.jpg) in a thong (http://skinindex.com/archives/wmplayer2006-01-1201-06-49-52-thumb.jpg) already.....  but i suppose you are craving a frontal shot...?  ;D    can't help you there! ;) :D

but he made THESE ^^^ work!!!!!!!

Just messing with our heads!!!!!!!!!! :P :D

Yes. They. Did.

But I want to know why jimmy is haning out at the "Skindex" website....   :D :D


and I just had to spit my coffee back into my mug at the "Big and Horny" jacket picture with the red thong.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on November 02, 2006, 07:15:54 AM
Rob's interview in TDS of Tom Bentz is fascinating. Several things Tom said about the whole BBM crew raised my opinion of the cast and crew still another couple of notches. Sophisticated, professional, prepared, and generous to the people of Calgary. What more could you ask?

- KittyHawk
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Bobby19in1963 on November 02, 2006, 08:01:57 AM
Hi! All:

Question:  My company is now blocking pictures and I was wondering if there is anything TDS could do to circumvent this?  I use Photobucket for my pix and they have blocked that.  They block anything streaming, video or audio.  Just thought there might be some techie out there who could advise TDS Editors on a picture format that would allow me to see them.  It's the PITS without most of the pictures.

This format comes through:  http://web.mac.com/sic3/bbm/f/images/bb481.jpg.  Is it possible to put all of the pix on TDS in this format?

This format didn't come through:  http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k83/elle_ann/BBMDig288.jpg

I hate to be a whiner, but....kinda takes the fun out of TDS without the pix.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: sydney on November 02, 2006, 09:39:43 PM
Sparky don't throw away your Halloween costume, it's perfect for Rat Wrangling. ;) :D
Sydney
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fritzkep on November 03, 2006, 06:28:15 AM
The caption "my first, my last, my everything" just really grabbed me by the throat. Got to hide my teary eyes here at work. Thank you, twistandshout.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on November 03, 2006, 08:08:56 AM
Elle_ann and Kmich,

May I congratulate both of you on a job well done, these first weeks at the helm of TDS.  The two of you and your able staff are continuing the excellence begun by Ellen and Jan, yet each of you is putting your individual mark on your work.  Kudos all around!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: sparky on November 03, 2006, 11:22:26 AM
Sparky don't throw away your Halloween costume, it's perfect for Rat Wrangling. ;) :D
Sydney

Throw it away? Ha ! I rented that damned thing and it was valued at 1600 bucks.
Took it back yesterday.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on November 03, 2006, 04:54:37 PM
Congratulations on doing such a good job with TDS. Only the first few days and look at the articles!

Thanks!

PS--Thanks so much for giving the 'Question Crew' the credit they deserve!!!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on November 03, 2006, 07:10:41 PM
Sparky don't throw away your Halloween costume, it's perfect for Rat Wrangling. ;) :D
Sydney

Throw it away? Ha ! I rented that damned thing and it was valued at 1600 bucks.
Took it back yesterday.

Worth every cent!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on November 06, 2006, 08:25:43 AM
 :) ;D    Love the book cover from Ted Haggard!  Great find kmich et al!   Beyond Belief ...     ::)

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k83/elle_ann/FoolishNoMore.jpg)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on November 06, 2006, 08:28:02 AM
Love the new avatar.  Nothing like a hint of irony in the morning.  LOL.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on November 06, 2006, 10:11:19 AM
:) ;D    Love the book cover from Ted Haggard!  Great find kmich et al!   Beyond Belief ...     ::)



Well, I have to say that Elle was the one who found the book cover. We were wondering if it was a bit too snarky to print but I just couldn't bear seeing another picture of that guy. Glad you approve.  ;)

Kathy
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on November 06, 2006, 12:18:08 PM
For another great book cover from this guy, check out the one tfmisc found and posted on the photocaps thread!

Click here (http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=323.18750)!

P.S.:  The photo in TDS today that "sums up the relationship between Jack & Ennis," reminds of the Jimmy Durante song: 
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k243/kmich5/BBM_fight.jpg)
Did ya ever get the feelin' that ya wanted to stay...
...but ya wanted to go...
...but ya wanted to stay...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on November 06, 2006, 12:27:21 PM
...about Ted Haggard...

I just had to say, did anyone notice that when this news broke and he was interviewed, that his first instinct was to say that he only had called the guy to buy crystal meth?  And no reporter/interviewer has asked him the question that immediately came to my mind:  "So you think being a crystal meth user is better than being gay?"
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on November 06, 2006, 12:41:51 PM
...about Ted Haggard...

I just had to say, did anyone notice that when this news broke and he was interviewed, that his first instinct was to say that he only had called the guy to buy crystal meth?  And no reporter/interviewer has asked him the question that immediately came to my mind:  "So you think being a crystal meth user is better than being gay?"

And also, it seems to have gotten lost that when the news first, first broke, he completely denied even knowing who the guy was ...NY Times quote: "He also said he had never met the man making the accusation."  :o
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Jer009 on November 06, 2006, 11:36:34 PM
Folks,
I just posted this link on Friends & Others We Love, but I think it deserves a wider audience because of the team producing it. CBS has just committed to a prequel to "Lonesome Dove" with Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana writing:


http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6291231.html?display=Breaking+News

Jer009

PS--great work you all are doing!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on November 07, 2006, 02:41:02 AM
By the way, re the Haggard story--one of the Denver news shows<ch9?> said that it took 3 days for the story to get picked up. At first, nobody would touch it with a ten foot pole...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on November 07, 2006, 07:02:36 AM
Thanks Jer009!  :) I'll run this in tomorrow's TDS.

Kathy

Folks,
I just posted this link on Friends & Others We Love, but I think it deserves a wider audience because of the team producing it. CBS has just committed to a prequel to "Lonesome Dove" with Larry McMurtry and Diana Ossana writing:


http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6291231.html?display=Breaking+News

Jer009

PS--great work you all are doing!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: maggied on November 07, 2006, 07:38:49 AM
Just to say thanks to elle_ann for my new found fame on today's sheet!  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on November 07, 2006, 12:56:26 PM
Sorry to be a spoilsport, but did anyone notice that the date of that notice about the Lonesome Dove prequel was 12/14/2005?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on November 07, 2006, 01:08:26 PM
Sorry to be a spoilsport, but did anyone notice that the date of that notice about the Lonesome Dove prequel was 12/14/2005?

Jackie, you're right. This was an older notice.  IMDB shows that Commanche Moon is in post-production already, due for US release in Feb 2007. it's still cool that its been produced, though... ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on November 07, 2006, 01:14:57 PM
Sorry to be a spoilsport, but did anyone notice that the date of that notice about the Lonesome Dove prequel was 12/14/2005?

Jackie, you're right. This was an older notice.  IMDB shows that Commanche Moon is in post-production already, due for US release in Feb 2007. it's still cool that its been produced, though... ;)
Thanks, Elle...I'm glad to know it has been filmed.  I'll go look up the info on IMDb.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on November 08, 2006, 11:48:56 AM
From what I've read--and I may be wrong--there hasn't been a spate of actors coming out. There has been a spate of actors being OUTED by other people, and that is something very different indeed, and quite wrong. Their choices were taken away without their consent. It is just as wrong for the right to condemn as it is for the left to take away a persons CHOICE as to how they want to live.

What gave those people the right to out others whom they don't even know?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on November 08, 2006, 12:37:29 PM
From what I've read--and I may be wrong--there hasn't been a spate of actors coming out. There has been a spate of actors being OUTED by other people, and that is something very different indeed, and quite wrong.

Ted Haggard, although not an actor (or is he?), is the type of person that should be outed as he's harming people by his duplicitousness.

And, yes, some of the now out actors have been pressured into it, but their response is what is now different.  In the past it would've been denied ad infinitum by the person in question, or their publicity machines.  In fact, that was the instinct of Neil Patrick Harris's publicist, to deny it.  To Neil's credit, he saw that was a bad option and he came out.  That is what is different.
 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on November 08, 2006, 01:42:41 PM
Ted Haggard??
 Lyle, you and I disagree on that point. You just want him outed, I want him tarred and feathered for his gross religious hypocricy and nauseating bullshit.

I was raised a catholic and have no tolerance for sexual hypocrisy among religious leaders at all, look what the hierarchy did to the Church  and many many kids by hiding pedophiles!!!! They should have been sent to jail.

I was in the Springs the other day,Haggard's home base, it's this hotbed of wierd cults. And you could sense ...consternation. I wish he had been revealed as a hypocrite a month ago, I think that it's one of the causes for both amendments loss here in CO. There was a guy in line with me to vote in Denver yesterday. We got to talking and he said he was voting due to the news about Haggard, wouldn't have bothered to vote if he hadn't been outed. And this guy voted yes for the ban on gay marriage and no on prop I. [ It was chaotic, worse voting conditions I have ever seen--K. and i spent 3 1/2 damned hours on line and no i am not exaggerating.]

As for the actors:

"And, yes, some of the now out actors have been pressured into it, ..."

So far as i'm concerned everything after that phrase is spin. I know you from your posts well enough to realise that you, like me, would NEVER make such a choice for another person. It makes me cringe that the people who did it...did it. Neil Harris made a lovely statement but he was forced into it, and that's what i think is wrong. He had his reasons for keeping quiet and they were his reasons. This whole society is fast losing respect for the individuals right to make choices which others disagree with.

By the way, it's a wonderful day: Rumsfeld resigned.

 @Surrender monkies@ my ass!!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: LSky94 on November 08, 2006, 11:29:24 PM
By the way, it's a wonderful day: Rumsfeld resigned.

Wonderful day, indeed, and it just keeps getting better.  Looks like the Dems will gain control of the Senate too.   I am soooo glad to see Katherine Harris lose her bid for the Senate, effectively giving her the boot from the Congress, that was a personal highlight for me, even though I am no where near Florida. 

I agree that the only people who should be outed are those who use their positions of influence to rail against gay rights. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on November 08, 2006, 11:51:49 PM
[ It was chaotic, worse voting conditions I have ever seen--K. and i spent 3 1/2 damned hours on line and no i am not exaggerating.]

I cannot imagine waiting that long--it is inexcusable.  When I hear about long lines to vote like that I just can't believe it.  I have never waited more than five minutes to vote!  No wonder so many people are using absentee ballots these days.

I am glad you hung in there and voted anyway.  Good for both of you!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on November 09, 2006, 04:36:41 AM
HR.

I just wanted to say that even though I'd been working with your wonderful Pine Creek pictures, and had seen them again and again during the writing and formatting stage of TDS today, once this edition was up and I stepped back to actually read it properly - well!

"Gonna snow tonight for sure ..."

Then I looked at Lyle's photocap below, with Jack and Ennis at the campfire in their later years ... and the power of this story just struck me all over again - the isolation, the loneliness, the loss, the waste ... the sheer tragedy of it all as well as the love.  :'( 

So thank you for making that trip and sharing the pictures with us. You're awesome! And thanks too, to TP for going with you!!  :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BayCityJohn on November 09, 2006, 06:28:03 AM
Thank you for the article about the film "Paragraph 175: Preserving The History Of Gays And The Holocaust" on today's TDS.

I had a meeting last night with the planning committee for the Holocasut Remembrance Week that is held in Bay City every April.

At the meeting, we decided to expand the focus of the event to include other groups that were targeted by the nazis. For the past several years the focus has always been on the Jewish victims.

I mentioned this film at the meeting, but I couldn't remember the title. What a great coincidence!


I also mentioned the screening of Brokeback Mountain on Feb. 25, and I was pleasantly surprised to hear that a few of the committee members want to attend!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on November 09, 2006, 07:11:44 AM
Great sheet today, congrats to all concerned.

HR thanks for the beautiful photos!
Wish I could have been there.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on November 09, 2006, 07:33:04 AM
Thank you for the atricle about the film "Paragraph 175: Preserving The History Of Gays And The Holocaust" on today's TDS. What a great coincidence!


Not such a co-incidence, really - our thanks to our new ass ed, Marge_Innavera for this - it was her awareness of and interest in this area that led her to put the article together specifically for today's DS.  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on November 09, 2006, 08:22:50 AM
All great stories, thanks to you all and thanks to Marge Innavera for today. 

Wow you guys opened your cans of Bettermost Beans!  I hope they were good. :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on November 09, 2006, 10:19:59 AM
All great stories, thanks to you all and thanks to Marge Innavera for today. 

Wow you guys opened your cans of Bettermost Beans!  I hope they were good. :)

Didn't Jack say "No more beans" ?  Thought we were on a soup diet...boxes or not!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on November 09, 2006, 12:15:56 PM
- our thanks to our new ass ed, Marge_Innavera for this -

Does Marge like being referred to as a new ass ed?

Also:  Thanks so much for using my photocap in TDS today, but the first part of that post should be credited to the creative Jasonwv!

Thanks Jason!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jasonwv on November 09, 2006, 01:11:36 PM
Thanks Lyle! :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on November 09, 2006, 01:24:03 PM
And thank you from the TDS team to ALL the talented photo-captioners on this forum. If it wasn't for your creativity, intelligence and wit, we'd wouldn't have the tradition of closing off The Daily Sheet with a captioned pic!!

*applause*  8) ;D :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on November 09, 2006, 01:50:41 PM
Does Marge like being referred to as a new ass ed?

Alas, none of my body parts are anywhere near new....   ;D

Thanks so much, Elle and everybody else here, for the encouragement!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: HR on November 09, 2006, 10:01:29 PM
Friends,
    I need to make an addendum to my pics of Pine Creek. You see, I couldn't decide on the proper caption for the last pic. "Lunch?" was the wimpiest. But I would like people's opinions on these alternatives:
   
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k83/elle_ann/beans.jpg)
...Jus' like you like 'em...
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k83/elle_ann/beans.jpg)
...if he shows...

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on November 09, 2006, 10:05:29 PM
I can't believe the yodel conversation was in the daily sheet ...it really was quite hilarious.....
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: HR on November 09, 2006, 10:19:43 PM
All great stories, thanks to you all and thanks to Marge Innavera for today. 

Wow you guys opened your cans of Bettermost Beans!  I hope they were good. :)

All of you, thanks for the kind comments. Now about the beans...

Seems as though you can find mos' anything in small town groceries. I mean, just look:

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k83/elle_ann/Cans.jpg)

The coffee smelled good, but sump'n was missin'.

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k83/elle_ann/CoffeePotAlone.jpg)

Those modern cookin' instructions sure showed a knowledge of their clientelle. But I ignored 'em and did 'em like our fellas woulda expected.

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k83/elle_ann/CookingInstructions.jpg)

Can you believe it? They musta knew we were gonna come. Either that , or we were just lucky to get them just before their expiration.

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k83/elle_ann/PineCreekBeans.jpg)

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on November 10, 2006, 01:18:25 PM
I would like people's opinions on these alternatives:   

I love ...if he shows... as a caption.
It combines all sorts of emotions.
Possibility.  Truth.
Both sides of the equation, wether it be positive or negative.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: lovelyamazing on November 11, 2006, 10:29:51 AM
Then I looked at Lyle's photocap below, with Jack and Ennis at the campfire in their later years ... and the power of this story just struck me all over again - the isolation, the loneliness, the loss, the waste ... the sheer tragedy of it all as well as the love.  :'( 
How beautifully you have captured the quintessance in those words :'(
Quote
So thank you for making that trip and sharing the pictures with us. You're awesome! And thanks too, to TP for going with you!!  :-*
Thank you from me and my mom too. We were right there with you :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lfmamma on November 14, 2006, 04:48:18 AM
Great photocap in the daily sheet today!

"Ennis: Jack? whut th'...?
Jack: S'all right, Cowboy, I'm onna roll...."


LMAO!!!  :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on November 14, 2006, 05:14:25 AM
Great photocap in the daily sheet today!

"Ennis: Jack? whut th'...?
Jack: S'all right, Cowboy, I'm onna roll...."


LMAO!!!  :D

You're right!! Choosing a photocap is one of the great joys and great heartaches of doing TDS! There are SO MANY outstanding efforts that it's like trying to choose which child is your favorite!  ;D

That's the reason why I was glad to see the new thread starting, for Photocaps Greatest Hits!!  (http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=17834.0) Hopefully we'll see some of those great oldies being resurrected soon!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on November 14, 2006, 07:48:53 AM
Nice sheet!
I saw 'Tipping the Velvet', liked it.
I know this is stupid put is Beyonce an actual actress?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on November 14, 2006, 07:53:33 AM
Nice sheet!
I saw 'Tipping the Velvet', liked it.
I know this is stupid put is Beyonce an actual actress?

Is anybody an actor these days??????????????
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on November 14, 2006, 08:17:47 AM
Nice sheet!
I saw 'Tipping the Velvet', liked it.
I know this is stupid put is Beyonce an actual actress?

Not having seen her perform, I couldn't say if she can act or not, but she's been in The Pink Panther, Dream Girls, The Fighting Temptations and Austin Powers.

(I had to go look it up, btw  - http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0461498/ - IMDb is a wonderful resource for anything movie related!  ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fritzkep on November 15, 2006, 09:21:48 AM
Tiny correction for the state where Ocean City is located: MD is Maryland, MA is Massachusetts!

Excellent job, as usual! But I'll have to wait till I get home to see the pics from Finding Brokeback, one of my favorite sites. Dialup here at work is too slow.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on November 15, 2006, 10:01:19 AM
Thanks, fritzkep. We'll get that fixed.  :-[

Kathy
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on November 15, 2006, 10:06:00 AM
Thanks, fritzkep. We'll get that fixed.  :-[

Kathy
It's done, Kath!!  ;) 8)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on November 15, 2006, 11:36:37 AM
Moved to comment on two stories today!

1)  Bay City John's event in February is starting to look better and better.  The Cowboy Astronomer event at Delta College Planetarium sounds great. 

2)  Right-wing Christians boycotting Walmart?  This is the most fun news story I have come across in a long time!  It feels like reading about two terrible villains getting involved in a fight -- with each other.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on November 15, 2006, 12:33:35 PM
A TONGUE IN CHEEK POST:

Boycotting Walmart?

Rhetorical question:
Let's see, Wal-Mart comes in and all the small owned stores go out of business.  Wal Mart's the only thing left.  So if they boycott Wal Mart, where do people shop?

As for "Catholic Bishops Pass Guidelines on Ministering to Gays"

Let's see--we think you are disordered but we want to reach out to you.  As for being celibate--well, that seems to work for a lot of priests, doesn't it?

And... "it's not a sin to be attracted to someone of the same gender--only to act on those feelings."  BECAUSE WE SAY SO.

ALSO:  STAY IN THE CLOSET:
 "The bishops are also discouraging gays from making 'general public self-disclosures' within their churches about their sexual orientation."
SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH YOU.

This whole stance sounds like it was for the straight people and priests who have to deal with gay people, not for the gay person as such.

Tongue may now be removed from cheek.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on November 15, 2006, 01:04:34 PM
Lyle -- I nearly added that story (about the Catholic Church) as #3 in my list of comments, but I decided to leave it alone, because it is silly at nearly every level.  You make an excellent point about the priests, but the way it strikes me (as one brought up Catholic) is this--The actual number of adults who call themselves Catholic and follow all Church teachings is really very small.  The Church thinks all single men and women, including straights, should be celibate.  How many straights actually are?  The Church even says married people should be celibate if they don't want children (or practice rhythm) but no birth control!  Most Catholics, at least in this country, believe this is nonsense, but they don't talk about it.  Don't ask, don't tell is a big part of being a Catholic in America.

There are still some, I believe who participate here, who benefit from Christianity and even some gays on our board who go to Catholic Churches, so for that person, I can understand how the half-welcome they receive from the church might be a step in the right direction.

PS I am not anti-Christian (see above post re right-wing Christians boycotting Walmart) I am anti-right wing Christian.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: LSky94 on November 15, 2006, 07:29:37 PM
Don't ask, don't tell is a big part of being a Catholic in America.

Very well put.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on November 17, 2006, 02:26:11 AM
Heath and Michelle WOULD like Brooklyn. Where they live  is lovely. The neighbors wouldn't bother them-- in fact they'd be so delighted to have them that they'd give hapless pparazzi directions to somewhere half a mile away, they would protect their privacy as 'one of their own'.  They can have the attractions of life in Manhattan while living in another world a few minutes away, with trees and great architecture. They can keep Matilda 'normal', not so easy in Manhattan. AND Heath can have a beer with Matilda's godfather in that bar on his corner w/o getting hassled lol. They made a choice which enabled them to have NORMALITY.
All in all, pretty smart.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BRAD1963 on November 17, 2006, 10:43:25 AM
I've seen "CANDY" already.  Qantas showed it on my flight from New Zealand last summer.  It is not a very good film but Heath is excellent.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on November 18, 2006, 08:49:52 PM
Excellent!!! I went to tattered cover trying to find where AP was speaking, hoping I'd be back from CA. I will!!! How unspeakably COOL!!!

We will have to schedule a BBQ 'planning meeting' for it  lol
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on November 22, 2006, 10:16:30 AM
Regarding World AIDS day - I just received a newsletter from a local AIDS organization here in South Africa, which quotes these figures:

International Aids Day is on the 1st December and we see the number of people infected increasing; now standing at nearly 40 million worldwide with 4.3 million new infections this year. An alarming 2.9 million people died this year and in our country we lose close to 1,000 people every day.

Heartrending statistics ...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on November 22, 2006, 11:41:09 AM
Regarding World AIDS day - I just received a newsletter from a local AIDS organization here in South Africa, which quotes these figures:

International Aids Day is on the 1st December and we see the number of people infected increasing; now standing at nearly 40 million worldwide with 4.3 million new infections this year. An alarming 2.9 million people died this year and in our country we lose close to 1,000 people every day.

Heartrending statistics ...

Yes indeed - I thought of you and South Africa as I was putting that column together.  A word about the statistics, the Avert statistics are from 2005 (and the CDC statistics are from 2004).  It's hard to get very current statistics because the organizations involved want to make sure they've gotten everything correct before they post them on the web.  So often we will see statistics in newsletters and hear things on the news that are more up to date than you find in official websites.  Thanks for mentioning that!

As you may know in the United States groups that are affected by the disease have changed.  In the U.S. 55% of the people who die from the disease are African American, even though African Americans only account for 13% of the U.S. population.  There are many wonderful groups working to change this - here is an article about this from the S.F. Chronicle:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/11/17/MNG7VMEND01.DTL&hw=hiv&sn=011&sc=107

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BrokenOkie on November 22, 2006, 10:28:14 PM
Great article & issue, Michael and TDS crew!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on November 23, 2006, 12:37:44 AM
Great article & issue, Michael and TDS crew!

Why thank you!  [I was a little nervous about doing such a serious topic the day before Thanksgiving, so I really appreciate your comment.]
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on November 23, 2006, 07:53:13 AM
What a beautiful Thanksgiving Day TDS.  I give thanks for all the wonderful, hardworking folks here on the Forum who allow us to be here, day after day:  Dave, all the mods, and the crew of TDS!  Bless you all.  :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Stilllearning on November 23, 2006, 08:07:06 AM
Just wanted to say a big THANK YOU to all of those that make TDS a daily reality.  I read and enjoy it every day.  TDS keeps me up on all part of the forum, since I just visit a few, and more importantly, keeps me up on issues outside of our forum that are important to us.  I'm grateful for all of your hard work - everyday!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on November 23, 2006, 08:54:19 AM
Thank you all for thanking so beautifully!

From up here in maple land, Happy Turkey day to all my American friends,

and MichealF, I suppose that Canada, being so cold, realized that it couldn't afford to pass on an untapped, unlimited source of warmth...

Jean
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: playitagain on November 23, 2006, 11:05:12 AM
GREAT T'G  Daily Sheet.  Thank you all so much.  You are beyond glorious!
pia
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on November 23, 2006, 12:30:11 PM
Thank you all for thanking so beautifully!

From up here in maple land, Happy Turkey day to all my American friends,

and MichealF, I suppose that Canada, being so cold, realized that it couldn't afford to pass on an untapped, unlimited source of warmth...

Jean

Good thinkin' there Jean!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on November 23, 2006, 02:33:52 PM
Hey, nice concept today!  Thanks, TDS team! 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: RodneyWY on November 23, 2006, 06:09:49 PM
Regarding this passage from the revised Thanksgiving scene:
ALMA (red faced, to Monroe) Oh, shut up, you.

(to Ennis) And what did you mean by that "wings" comment, Ennis?

>ENNIS, with both hands, pulls his ears out and sticks his tongue out at Alma.

ENNIS  They didn't get them wings from me.

>the girls giggle, Alma is fuming, Monroe is preoccupied ...

The "wings" line refers to a deleted scene that may be found on p. 97 of The Big Script, Scene #97, in which Alma Jr. is an angel with tin-foil wings in a school Christmas pageant which is attended by Alma and Ennis.  There is no dialogue, but an inattentive Ennis is poked to attention by Alma.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on November 24, 2006, 12:37:24 PM
Thanks, TDS crew, for all your hours put into TDS for "my" enjoyment.

Regarding the Penguin Book--I had forgotten about that real-life story when it was in the news a few years ago--and coincidentally, I came upon a rerun of WIll & Grace the other night that had dealt with that story--set in the Central Park Zoo.  Interesting!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on November 25, 2006, 06:25:04 PM
Dave has an important announcement about the forum, which he asks all members to read:

http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=18085.msg602098#msg602098

We have set up a thread to discuss the situation. That discussion thread is linked from the post directly below the message from Dave. Follow the above link and you'll get to both.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ImEnnisShesJack on November 25, 2006, 07:24:31 PM
lol @ Gonzo!

I was going to post Dave's message in here, but since it was already in the Daily Sheet, I thought it would be redundant...

thanks Gonz!
H.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Passion on November 27, 2006, 10:10:24 AM
OMG----LOVE the new TDS banner!  Gnash---you did an awesome job!  Thanks to all for all the hard work you put into TDS----I really look forward to reading it everyday!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BRAD1963 on November 27, 2006, 11:06:58 AM
Re: The Not-So-Secret Prejudices of AMPAS

As we are approaching the one year anniversary of BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN and yet another Awards season I cannot help but feel the anger pop up again. I know let it go is the common thread as I read posts on these boards regarding what this years Oscars will bring. Nothing will make me care about the proceedings; quite frankly this years 'snub' killed the excitement for me now and forever.  I will  chose other options next February as the 'Hollywood Elite' has their party.  The Academy Awards died for me this year.  Good riddance.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on November 27, 2006, 11:27:38 AM
Thanks again for a fine daily sheet. Gnash's banner rocks!!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fritzkep on November 27, 2006, 11:36:27 AM
Yeah, man! Jimmy Gnash's talents are unlimited!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: gnash on November 29, 2006, 06:47:23 AM
thanks guys for the comments on the banner! i had fun making it, but it was a team effort between the whole crew!  i wanted the FNIT scene! ;) ;) ;)  and jimbo the rodeo clown ::)  ;)     ;D   but seriously, it was a rewarding experience. i'd brought it up with ellen about a week before she announced "retiring" as editor, so it's nice to see it come to fruition with the new team.

brad1963 --- the academy awards died for me years ago...  join the club!  :D  when i found out that members weren't required to see the movies up for consideration, i really lost interest. to me it's a show-off party and promo machine... whatEVs.

my friend's dad is a producer and voter and said it this way... "you don't really think they're going to watch EVERY movie that's nominated, do you?" she went on to tell me how she and her sister would sometimes vote when "dad" was too busy, was out of town, or didn't care. so.. there you go. she said he votes for who they WANT to win, not who they think is best. it's all about money if you ask me!  it's very organized in that manner...

oh i'm sure some voters are sincere, but when even a few are dishonest, it ruins the whole affair. ...and they make such a big deal about how they carefully choose academy members too.  SHOOOO.

now, if brokeback had won best picture.... i'd still be saying this! but it didn't, and that did not surprise me one bit. before the awards i remember talking to auntie and telling her about this, and she encouraged me to post my thoughts -- but i couldn't bear to rain on everybody's parade as the excitement and positive feelings were so high.

no matter, we know that it's a great film in our hearts!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: RedSierra on November 29, 2006, 11:55:06 AM
Don't know if this is the place to post this, but there is a new release of DVD's for Brokeback Mountain due out on January 23, 2007. Its a 2 DVD "collector's edition".

Go here: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-0661299-5388815?url=search-alias%3Ddvd&field-keywords=brokeback+mountain&Go.x=8&Go.y=11
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on November 29, 2006, 11:58:47 AM
Don't know if this is the place to post this, but there is a new release of DVD's for Brokeback Mountain due out on January 23, 2007. Its a 2 DVD "collector's edition".

Go here: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-0661299-5388815?url=search-alias%3Ddvd&field-keywords=brokeback+mountain&Go.x=8&Go.y=11

Thanks Red,

We have run some pieces regarding this subject.  I think the original links were to the Universal Studios site.  As the time draws near I am sure that we can run more pieces encouraging people to check it out.

Gonzo

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on November 29, 2006, 12:30:07 PM
I have never waited more than five minutes to vote!  No wonder so many people are using absentee ballots these days.
It's also one of the ways the vote can be manipulated: Make people in poor or progressive neighborhoods wait longer than the rich and greedy.

I live in a neighborhood that votes progressive, and our wait is always long - two hours is not unusual at all. I'll bet the folks in the suburbs don't have to wait that long.     >:(
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on November 29, 2006, 01:14:45 PM
...and they make such a big deal about how they carefully choose academy members too.  SHOOOO.

Yeah, SOOOO carefully.  lmao...

Michelle Williams has been nominated for an Independent Spirit Award in the category of Best Female Lead for her performance in Land of Plenty...

Let's see, Michelle was not invited to be a member of ampas this year.  But Amy Adams was.  Michelle does more films and gets nominated for awards the following year.  What is Amy Adams doing?  Who saw Junebug?

Another idiocy from ampas.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: LSky94 on November 29, 2006, 03:35:08 PM

Michelle Williams has been nominated for an Independent Spirit Award in the category of Best Female Lead for her performance in Land of Plenty...

Let's see, Michelle was not invited to be a member of ampas this year.  But Amy Adams was.  Michelle does more films and gets nominated for awards the following year.  What is Amy Adams doing?  Who saw Junebug?

Another idiocy from ampas.

Yep, that's why they're the Acadummy.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on November 30, 2006, 12:47:12 PM
From TDS today:
Quote
"...gay is the new black." Sean Griffin, SMU.

That explains the acadummy's reasoning lately!
They're behind the times.  They aren't up to the
"gay is the new black" yet.  They're still at the
"black is the new Jewish" stage.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on November 30, 2006, 12:55:29 PM
From TDS today:
Quote
"...gay is the new black." Sean Griffin, SMU.

That explains the acadummy's reasoning lately!
They're behind the times.  They aren't up to the
"gay is the new black" yet.  They're still at the
"black is the new Jewish" stage.

Bingo, Lyle!!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on November 30, 2006, 06:12:06 PM
A bit OT re TDS but--we saw AP speak last night and  guess which work she herself is most proud of writing???

Accordion Crimes

And ON topic--the Christmas thread is a hoot. love it!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Jer009 on December 01, 2006, 12:50:24 AM
To the Daily Sheet--

Below is a link to an article that says that Heath and Michele are getting married soon:

http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news?id=25371

Is the right place to post an item like this? If it's not, please tell me where to post them. Thanks, and keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on December 01, 2006, 09:46:50 AM
To the Daily Sheet--

Below is a link to an article that says that Heath and Michele are getting married soon:

http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news?id=25371

Is the right place to post an item like this? If it's not, please tell me where to post them. Thanks, and keep up the good work!

Hi there!

We are always appreciative of links to relevant and interesting stories. The best way to pass them on is either via PM to either kmich or elle_ann, or by email to either kathy@davecullen.com or elle@davecullen.com.

And btw, if you check today's Daily Sheet, you'll see a reference to this particular story  ...   It's been mushrooming all over the internet for the past few days, based on nothing but a single questionable sighting - but so many of our members passed the info on to us that I felt we had to give it some sort of a nod!!  ;D

Thanks, Jer!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BRAD1963 on December 01, 2006, 10:48:59 AM
I just love Daniel Craig.  He is so comfortable in his own skin and doesn't give a damn what everybody thinks.


 RE:     A Naked, Gay James Bond?
 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on December 01, 2006, 10:54:30 AM
I just love Daniel Craig.  He is so comfortable in his own skin and doesn't give a damn what everybody thinks.


 RE:     A Naked, Gay James Bond?
 


Oh, sure, you just want to see Daniel Craig naked!!  (Me too!!)    ;) ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BRAD1963 on December 01, 2006, 11:26:25 AM
I just love Daniel Craig.  He is so comfortable in his own skin and doesn't give a damn what everybody thinks.


 RE:     A Naked, Gay James Bond?
 


Oh, sure, you just want to see Daniel Craig naked!!  (Me too!!)    ;) ;)


I have been a fan of Daniel Craig for a long time.  Ever seen "The Mother"? 

Yes, he ain't bad lookin' either.  He has a good additude about everything.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on December 01, 2006, 12:36:43 PM
Quote
A Naked, Gay James Bond?
Daniel Craig is apparently urging movie bosses to revolutionize the James Bond franchise by including a gay scene involving the superspy in the follow-up to Casino Royale.

Be still my heart!  LOL!

If you do not know, Daniel Craig was nominated for an Independent Spirit Award for his performance in Infamous, where he plays a
killer involved with Truman Capote, whom he kisses full on the mouth in the film.

Since the acadummy will undoubtedly completely ignore this picture, please keep an eye out for it on dvd, I think it's terrific and ten times better than last years dry as dirt Capote.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on December 01, 2006, 02:00:26 PM
Has anyone seen Daniel Craig in Road to Perdition? He does an excellent job as a really nasty, weasel-ly bad guy.

He was also great in Sylvia. He played Ted Hughes to Gwyneth Paltrow's Sylvia Plath.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on December 01, 2006, 02:16:13 PM
Has anyone seen Daniel Craig in Road to Perdition? He does an excellent job as a really nasty, weasel-ly bad guy.

He was also great in Sylvia. He played Ted Hughes to Gwyneth Paltrow's Sylvia Plath.

LOL!!!  So....Kathy....he does a good job as a weasel-ly bad guy AND he was good at Ted Hughes?  What a coincidence....
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on December 01, 2006, 03:09:06 PM

LOL!!!  So....Kathy....he does a good job as a weasel-ly bad guy AND he was good at Ted Hughes?  What a coincidence....

HA!! Yeah, I guess they're one in the same, huh?  ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on December 02, 2006, 03:50:17 PM
Nellie!, Nice profile. I didn't know you loved to draw!

Nice to see your face again...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on December 02, 2006, 04:06:42 PM
Oh and the controversy surrounding our gay opposition leader André Boisclair was not about an ad,it was a so called 'humor' piece put together by a duo of inane 'humorists' for a Much Music like TV station.
It's unfortunate, because he always touted that his being gay was secondary and wished people would stop referring to him as such.
And now he accepts to participate in this stupid,unoriginal piece of crap.
We're all wondering what he was thinking.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on December 02, 2006, 04:22:05 PM
RE: the Canadian political piece

It may have been a gaffe but I loved reading about and the accompanying pic.  LOL.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 02, 2006, 07:30:51 PM
To quote my Childhood Hero:

                                       VIVE LA QUEBEC LIIIIIBRE!!!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on December 02, 2006, 09:15:41 PM
To quote my Childhood Hero:

                                       VIVE LE QUEBEC LIIIIIBRE!!!



Yeah B_1, we may be 'libre' to get married, but before Quebec is politically 'libre' I suspect De Gaule has all the time in the world to come back to life, grow old again, say his famous phrase and die once more... ;D

Maybe our young and handsome gay leader will find a way to make it happen. But I won't hold my breath.... 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 03, 2006, 01:11:07 AM
I AGREE.
lol
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on December 03, 2006, 07:15:52 AM
Oh and the controversy surrounding our gay opposition leader André Boisclair was not about an ad,it was a so called 'humor' piece put together by a duo of inane 'humorists' for a Much Music like TV station.
It's unfortunate, because he always touted that his being gay was secondary and wished people would stop referring to him as such.
And now he accepts to participate in this stupid,unoriginal piece of crap.
We're all wondering what he was thinking.

Thanks for the clarification, john john. I read a few different articles on the controversy and some called it an ad and some called it a sketch, I think. The whole thing just seemed weird.  ::)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on December 04, 2006, 05:59:25 AM
Michael

Your Fallen Warriors post reduced me to tears when I first spotted it. Reading it again today in the DS, my reaction is no different. You have focused our eyes exactly where they should be - away from statistics and treatment protocols and policies and rhetoric - and onto the living, breathing, loving, laughing, crying and oh-so-real people who have suffered and died from this disease.

Thank you and bless you for this tribute.
Elle
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on December 04, 2006, 09:45:19 AM
Michael, I agree wholeheartedly with Elle.  What a sad, beautiful tribute.  Thank you, darling.   :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on December 04, 2006, 10:07:43 AM
In their own lovely ways, many of these fallen friends were like Jack and Ennis.
Like Michael, we will never forget them.  Their shirts hang in our hearts.

They are the real wind across Brokeback Mountain. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Melby on December 04, 2006, 12:59:01 PM
Such a beautiful tribute, MichaelFsf (& TDS, for running it).
It was like a war zone, you described it perfectly, one where we had no weapons & no allies.
When you said you had to stop at 25, but there were 100s more....broke my heart.

All the fallen are loved still & not forgotten.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on December 04, 2006, 01:46:11 PM
Elle, Jackie, Larry and Melby - thanks so much for your comments.  I was a little surprised to see the post in the Daily Sheet today - I didn't know it had been selected!

As you can imagine, it took a while (and several kleenex) to write that.  I miss and remember them all.  Though being here has helped a lot and I no longer feel like I will live and die alone I must admit that there is a void that their passing has left that will probably never be filled.

Thanks so much for your messages, and thank you to the people who have sent me personal messages as well.  It helps.

Michael
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on December 04, 2006, 03:31:24 PM
Oh Micheal, I've lived through this in the eighties.
What scared me the most was that I'd just come out, and seeing people dying around me pushed me back in the closet for a long while terrified that I'd end up dying of this mysterious and cruel disease. I am to this day still so preoccupied by this that dating feels like walking in a minefield.   
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BRAD1963 on December 05, 2006, 10:04:19 AM
RE: Forum Members Attend Candy  Screening in L.A.



I wish I had known there was going to be a group getting together for this.  My apartment is down the street from Sunset 5 and I would have gone also.  I saw "Candy" already on a Qantas flight from New Zealand last summer.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 05, 2006, 10:25:36 PM
Candy is showing here in DENVER if you can believe it! Begins next week!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: johnbeene on December 05, 2006, 11:56:23 PM
Heath and Michelle not getting married, huh?  I wonder if this will put an end to The Daly Sheet's shameful foray into gossip peddling?  I'd like to think so but something tells me I'll be disappointed.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Monica LoveEmBoys on December 06, 2006, 09:42:43 AM
I thought TDS's handling of the marriage rumor -- stating as such that it clearly seems to be a rumor -- fairly inventive approach which both acknowledged the story while also dismissing it.  Made me chuckle when other reports of said story did not...

Monica
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on December 06, 2006, 01:09:31 PM
Two comments on TDS stories.

Cold Case--
I did not see that episode mentioned, but will look out for a rerun of it.
Cold Case did a gay episode last year--a storyline about the early
eighties when aids was being discovered and the fear surrounding it.

"BangBroek"--
What struck me most baout this item was that the characters start
their journey from the age of 16!  Can you imagine an American show or film etc. where the boys are teenagers?

What got me all riled up about the MPAA (film ratings board) and have never thought them worth their salt again was this:
I was at the aforementioned Sunset 5 theatres and a preview came on with the usual green "Film Preview Rated for All Audiences" disclaimer.  Then someone's "head" appears on the screen and it's subsequently whacked off the person's body by a baseball bat and people begin playing soccer with it.  This jarred me, being a person of sound mind!   The trailer was for a comedy film and I can't recall the title, but something like "And Now for Something Comepletely Different", but I'm not sure that was it.

The point is, following that trailer the ominous "RED" background comes up with the MPAA disclaimer that the "Film Preview Rated R for restricted Audiences".  And what was it?  A trailer for  (I'm sorry the titles are not coming to me this morning-I'll edit them in if I think of them)....
Anyway, the film is about a high school boy who falls for the school jock and finds out the jock is gay as well.  The film itself is rated R.  There is no bad language in it.  There are no sex scenes--it's just merely the fact that the boys are in high school and they are gay.  And apparently that is enough to even have the TRAILER for the film rated R.  And after just having seen an "okay for all audiences head whacked off someone's body",  this really pissed me off and I've thought the whole ratings board was a piece of hooey ever since.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ntkguy on December 06, 2006, 06:53:32 PM
Regarding the "Homosexuality in the Arab World", as a strong supporter of Israel I just wanted to point out two very important things regardiing official Israeli governmental and legal policies regarding gay people.  First is the fact that openly gay people, both men and women are allowed to serve in the Israeli army.  No "Dont ask dont tell" policy here-you can serve being out and proud.  Second, the Israeli court system recently recognized gay marriages performed outside of Israel as being legal in the state of Israel.  Gay couples married abroad are considered legally married if they come to live in Israel.  Of course we are talking only about civil marriage and religious marriage is a whole different affair, but gay couples would still have all the legal rights of heterosexual couples.  Compared to its arab neighbors,Israel is the most gay friendly country in the Middle East.  I realize that this is not a forum about Middle Eastern politics but just felt I should point these things out to those gay people who jump to criticize Israel for its "human rights abuses". Your rights as an openly gay individual in most arab countries would be virtually non existent.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: LSky94 on December 06, 2006, 10:34:33 PM
I realize that this is not a forum about Middle Eastern politics but just felt I should point these things out to those gay people who jump to criticize Israel for its "human rights abuses". Your rights as an openly gay individual in most arab countries would be virtually non existent.

Gay people criticize Israel for human rights abuses?  Did someone do that here?  Or what do you mean by human rights abuses, do you mean like the Israeli demolition of Palestinian homes in Gaza or the West Bank?  or? 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Nax on December 07, 2006, 02:20:09 AM
I think it would be worth loking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_laws_of_the_world we should be aware and informing people the the death penalty for being homosexual or commtting homosexual act exists in several countries around the world. e.g.

Mauritania
Iran
Saudi Arabia

Many others impose floggings or hard labour in prison.  Food for thought I think.

Nax
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 07, 2006, 03:49:48 AM
Who criticised Isreal for it's antigay <??> stance? I would keep my criticism of the Isreali state for Ariel Sharon's former behaviour as PM, which was an abomination, not the tolerant  gay policies of the state.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: nova on December 07, 2006, 07:12:45 AM

elle........great report on the AFI Awards!  It was also fun waiting for the blow-by-blow account from kazinoz and Ministering Angel on Planet Heath.

Marcia........very nice TDS today!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ntkguy on December 07, 2006, 07:44:49 AM
Who criticised Isreal for it's antigay <??> stance? I would keep my criticism of the Isreali state for Ariel Sharon's former behaviour as PM, which was an abomination, not the tolerant  gay policies of the state.
  My comments yesterday were strictly informational ,and I was not referring to anybody on this forum when I mentioned gay people who criticize Israel for its human rights abuse.  My intent was to point out that although the situation in the Middle East is often portrayed in strictly black and white terms where one side is always right and the other side is always wrong, the reality is actually shades of grey.  On the particular issue of gay rights, Israel has nothing to be ashamed about.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on December 07, 2006, 09:24:52 AM
I think it would be worth loking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_laws_of_the_world we should be aware and informing people the the death penalty for being homosexual or commtting homosexual act exists in several countries around the world. e.g.

Mauritania
Iran
Saudi Arabia

Nax,

I work for a Homeland Security contractor and for the first year of my employment, my work involved looking at immigrant files all day including those of people applying for asylum. Some of the stories were beyond horrifying, and although tribal and ethnic differences were the most common context of human rights abuses, gay people seemed to be the group with the fewest options in terms of where to go.  In all too many cultures, they're "The One Great Exception" to any concern whatsoever about human rights. That first year was what really radicalized me in that respect.

Middle Eastern countries other than Israel, some South American countries and African countries are the worst offenders when it comes to human rights in general and gay rights in particular - gay people seem to be the proverbial canary in the mine. Mauritania is one of the countries where chattel slavery is still legal, with treatment of slaves that makes the Old South in the US look like a paradise in comparison. Ironically, a consistent pattern with both nation-states and ethnic groups is that the more homophobic they are, the higher the death rates from AIDS.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on December 07, 2006, 12:16:55 PM
Hot damn!

Gonna cast John Beene and Adrian in my remake of Brokeback Mountain.  First, send 'em off to talk things over with Jake and Heath.  Practice some kissin' scenes...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on December 07, 2006, 02:01:51 PM
Only our Sparky could have run into what was possibly the only female exhibitionist within 500 miles.  There are str8 guys who would have killed for that chance (well, maybe not with that particular exhibitionist, but then again, I'm sure there are some str8 guys she would have turned on).

Oh, and Sparky, that "I'm innocent" thing you're trying for?  Not buying it for a second.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: sparky on December 07, 2006, 03:57:32 PM

Oh, and Sparky, that "I'm innocent" thing you're trying for?  Not buying it for a second.

In that case specifically, I was totally innocent.
My innocence in any respect always being a noteworthy occurence.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 07, 2006, 04:44:42 PM
yikes what a picture.
 i take terrible pictures, i look older then god in that one and i dont in real life.
 I look fat too.
roflmaoooo

who said men weren't vain? I take awful pictures!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on December 07, 2006, 05:46:54 PM
yikes what a picture.
 i take terrible pictures, i look older then god in that one and i dont in real life.
 I look fat too.
roflmaoooo

who said men weren't vain? I take awful pictures!!!!!!!!!

^^^^^

It's hell to be famous.  If you ever meet Jake you can share lamentations about your experiences with paparazzi.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on December 07, 2006, 08:14:52 PM
yikes what a picture.
 i take terrible pictures, i look older then god in that one and i dont in real life.
 I look fat too.
roflmaoooo

who said men weren't vain? I take awful pictures!!!!!!!!!
Not to worry...we were all droolin' over John F... Beene.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 07, 2006, 11:14:13 PM
thats the point y'all should be droolin over me!!!

lol
lol
lol
JB is the sweetest guy you would ever meet
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: johnbeene on December 08, 2006, 12:49:00 AM
thats the point y'all should be droolin over me!!!

lol
lol
lol
JB is the sweetest guy you would ever meet

I briefly come out of seclusion to find all of this kindness and flattery.... I'm blushing!  Thanks everyone!  Oh and Oregondoggie if you can contrive some way to get Adrian and I together... well , I'd be ever so grateful!  :D  I think Adrian is sooooper hot and he knows it!  ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Nax on December 08, 2006, 02:50:07 AM
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/entertainment_enl_1165493711/img/1.jpg)
Actor Heath Ledger (centre) receives a warm welcome from Kath and Kim actress Magda Szubanski (left) and pop singer Dannii Minogue (right) as he arrives at the AFI (Australian Film Institute) Awards in Melbourne.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on December 08, 2006, 02:53:56 AM
thats the point y'all should be droolin over me!!!

lol
lol
lol
JB is the sweetest guy you would ever meet

I briefly come out of seclusion to find all of this kindness and flattery.... I'm blushing!  Thanks everyone!  Oh and Oregondoggie if you can contrive some way to get Adrian and I together... well , I'd be ever so grateful!  :D  I think Adrian is sooooper hot and he knows it!  ;)

What are you goin' a do when Adrian wakes you up mumbling about Jake?  That doctor would always be on call to Gyllenhaal!


Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on December 08, 2006, 02:56:39 AM
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/06/entertainment_enl_1165493711/img/1.jpg)
Actor Heath Ledger (centre) receives a warm welcome from Kath and Kim actress Magda Szubanski (left) and pop singer Dannii Minogue (right) as he arrives at the AFI (Australian Film Institute) Awards in Melbourne.

Bet he's thinking of Jake's lips!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: gnash on December 08, 2006, 04:52:02 AM
Actor Heath Ledger (centre) receives a warm welcome from Kath and Kim actress Magda Szubanski (left) and pop singer Dannii Minogue (right) as he arrives at the AFI (Australian Film Institute) Awards in Melbourne.

lol i bet dannii wants to put the needle on it :D :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Zadoc on December 08, 2006, 05:41:54 AM

I briefly come out of seclusion to find all of this kindness and flattery.... I'm blushing!  Thanks everyone! 

  Well Beenie, I'm glad you're alright...!! Since you didn't respond to my last PM and email, I was beginning to think something dreadful had happened to you..! 

  Zad
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on December 08, 2006, 05:51:10 AM
Bet he's thinking of Jake's lips!

He did say that the "pash rash" Magda is sporting wasn't nearly as bad as the one he got from kissing Jake!! LOL!  ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 10, 2006, 06:03:55 PM
There is a str8 porn movie called Bareback Mountain  from what i hear, specialising in 2 cowboys working in tandem upon a cute lil shepherdess.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CellarDweller115 on December 10, 2006, 06:42:03 PM
RoyAndRonnie, great profile in the TDS!


And thanks for making my "Retrospective Survey" the thread of the day!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on December 11, 2006, 11:27:53 AM
Okay, that is most definitely a BBM Christmas tree.  The binoculars and the sheep clinched it for me.  Lydia, can you find out who the decorator was?  He or she would probably enjoy knowing someone got the subtle message.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on December 11, 2006, 12:02:05 PM
Let me second that.  There is NO WAY that tree could be an accident.  As I was proofing today's DS I kept thinking "Too many coincidences.  The decorator is probably some gay guy in love with the movie."  Everything was there, the dog, the sheep, the creel case, everything.  This person was probably doing it as an "inside joke" and now, thanks to KittyHawk, we all get to enjoy it.

Gonzo
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on December 11, 2006, 03:47:45 PM
Agree with you guys, hunnert percent.  ;)

I told KittyHawk the same thing--it's somebody's inside joke. It was the binoculars and the fake fire with the coffeepot that clinched it for me. I just loved it.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 11, 2006, 09:54:51 PM
and I 4th it. When it turned up in the Christmas thread we were delighted by it, this is certainly worthy of TDS!!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on December 12, 2006, 01:38:36 AM
Yes! Love the Brokeback Mountain Christmas Tree!
I was hoping to see a BBM themed Christmas tree, but that
one's probably the best, knowing the price of Christmas ornaments!
Thank you, Kittyhawk, for getting your camera and sharing it with all
of us!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on December 12, 2006, 02:51:47 AM
Bah!  Humbuggery, said Aguirre.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Luke-1 on December 12, 2006, 07:13:58 AM
I'm up there with "Bah Humbuggery" BUT I loved the BBM tree ... which I also think was carefully planned and very well done!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: TwistsBitch on December 12, 2006, 09:03:47 AM
The tree was definitely a BBM tribute tree - Kittyhawk should sneak in there & put a miniature copy of the Variety Ad on it!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on December 12, 2006, 04:14:54 PM
Lyle, I just wanted to say that I love your photcap series in today's TDS. I thought it was so beautiful when backtobrokeback submitted it. It must have taken you a long time to put it together. Truly a labor of love, I'm guessing.

Thank you.  :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on December 12, 2006, 04:32:43 PM
The tree was definitely a BBM tribute tree - Kittyhawk should sneak in there & put a miniature copy of the Variety Ad on it!

I had thought perhaps a miniature copy of our Beyond Brokeback cover!    ;D


The Dreamgirls/Dreamboys piece this morning caught me offguard. I haven't been teary-eyed over our boys in quite a while but when I listened and then read the lyrics, it got to me! Beautifully done, Mooska!

- KH
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jasonwv on December 12, 2006, 06:54:48 PM
Lyle's Dream caption is awesome. He is one of the masters in the photocaption thread. I'm so glad he posts there.! :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on December 15, 2006, 12:22:51 PM
I can't begin my post without first acknowledging Jason's kind comments about me--thank you, Jason.

I wanted to say thanks for the James Schamus interview and link to the entire article.  AfterElton is one of the ONLY places that has dealt with these issues and very well written by Michael Jensen to boot.

It's interesting that besides them, the gay press has pretty much remained silent about it, I still don't  get it.

A couple comments about the interview:

Quote
They wanted to put in some deleted scenes. There was a discussion about deleted scenes, but quite frankly, as Ang said, “The reason I deleted them was because I wanted to delete them. So why would I put them in the DVD?”

The conversation implies there would be no "director's cut" of BBM, which I had never expected, but Schamus did not indicate why the "extra scene" footage could not or would not be available for a dvd edition.  I understand they'd want to leave the movie as is, but not why the material wouldn't be included as extras.

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I really think there is a very powerful aspect to the things you don't notice. You don't notice when the guy at the water cooler pauses and thinks, “I better not tell this joke because I realize that a lot of people have seen this movie and seem to like it, and maybe it's not safe for me to push it here.”

A post right after the oscars, from member sherryfair, was indicative of what "ampas" did in this regard, and not the film itself.  She wrote that:  "the day after the oscars I walked into my office and one of the guys there came up to me and noticed my mood.  He knew how much I loved BBM and how much I had tried to get the guys in the office to see it, much to my ultimate futility.  I was hoping an oscar win would tell them it was okay to see it.  He said, 'You really didn't think your faggot movie was going to win, did you?'  I walked into my cubicle thinking that the academy had given him the permission to say that."

Also, in the interview, Schamus and Jensen discussed the comments notoriously made by Curtis and Borgnine.
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You guys (AfterElton)probably noticed, but nobody else noticed there was no mainstream press pick-up on those comments.

Maybe not "after" Curtis said what he said, but Tony Curtis's comments were first made in an interview on Fox News Channel, pretty mainstream, if you ask me.

...for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: LSky94 on December 15, 2006, 01:14:55 PM
Also, in the interview, Schamus and Jensen discussed the comments notoriously made by Curtis and Borgnine.
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You guys (AfterElton)probably noticed, but nobody else noticed there was no mainstream press pick-up on those comments.

Maybe not "after" Curtis said what he said, but Tony Curtis's comments were first made in an interview on Fox News Channel, pretty mainstream, if you ask me.

...for what it's worth.

My thoughts too. 
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Post by: playitagain on December 15, 2006, 01:45:20 PM
Yeah. They wanted to put in some deleted scenes. There was a discussion about deleted scenes, but quite frankly, as Ang said, "The reason I deleted them was because I wanted to delete them. So why would I put them in the DVD?"

Good for Ang!
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Post by: backtobrokeback on December 15, 2006, 01:58:45 PM
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   AfterElton.com: What can you tell me about the director's cut of Brokeback Mountain?
James Schamus: It's not even really a director's cut. . The changes really are very minuscule. They're going to package in some . featurettes about the music, the reception of the film. What you saw [in the theaters] was the director's cut. It's what Ang wanted.
AE: That's good to hear.
JS: Yeah. They wanted to put in some deleted scenes. There was a discussion about deleted scenes, but quite frankly, as Ang said, "The reason I deleted them was because I wanted to delete them. So why would I put them in the DVD?" [Laughs.] That's a pretty good point there, Ang!   

Well, yes and no.  There's a big difference between putting them BACK IN the film (as was done with deleted scenes in Lord of the Rings, mainly to good effect), and putting the deleted scenes on a separate DVD as part of the package.

They may be bad scenes, but they are part of Brokeback, as are the costumes and locations and heck, the director's commentary (not even mentioned).  Fans would like to see them, critics would like to see them, and film historians would like to see them, regardless of how rejected they were by Ang.

I hope he reconsiders. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on December 15, 2006, 02:28:34 PM
JS: Yeah. They wanted to put in some deleted scenes. There was a discussion about deleted scenes, but quite frankly, as Ang said, "The reason I deleted them was because I wanted to delete them. So why would I put them in the DVD?" [Laughs.] That's a pretty good point there, Ang!   

Backtobrokeback, I agree.

Ang made a brilliant film, none of us have any argument with that. But this comment bothered me quite a bit... and I realize that JS may have been quoting him out of context too, we don't really know what else was said at that time.... and his version, his Director's Cut may well be the best and most perfect version we will ever see ... but imho, this comment shows a disconnect with the reality of what fans want in a Special Edition. Fans today are far more sophisticated than in yesteryear - we like to know WHY the director made the choices he did, and we want him to show us and tell us, share his thoughts and processes with us, engage in a dialogue as it were - using deleted scenes, outtakes, commentary etc.

Ang seems to have removed himself from that dialogue. Of course he has the right to do so - he doesn't need to win us over, he already has us in the palm of his filmmaking hand! But that doesn't mean we have to like it... :(
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Yeaah on December 19, 2006, 10:23:45 AM
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Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on December 19, 2006, 05:56:54 PM
I'm putting this out there in the hopes that the right person will see this and take action.  The additional takes of Jake and Heath in the FNIT and SNIT would bring a pretty penny if they were available today.  If anyone has access to that additional footage and can squirrel it away, they will be worth a fortune in the future.  I'm just sayin'.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on December 20, 2006, 07:11:57 AM
The new site map is fantastic!!! Thank you Thank you Thank you!!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on December 20, 2006, 05:30:42 PM
The administration has been working extremely hard to solve the slow down issue that has been plaguing the forum for some months now. It has been determined that to solve this we will have to change the host company of the forum. The new host server has now been contracted with by Dave as of today.

We are proceeding rapidly now and hope to have the conversion complete within a few weeks at the latest and hopefully much sooner. We will keep you (members) apprised. Please look for announcements in the Newsbox. Some changes will likely come up suddenly--that is the nature of computer conversions, so it is impossible to know before we test whether something will go flawlessly and take two hours, or uncover thorny issues that will take days. The testing process is being started. This will not affect the forum at this point.

So taking this into consideration, we don't want to give you timeframes that are unrealistic. As soon as we finish a stage, we'll proceed immediately to the next, and the exact changeover will likely come on very short notice to you (members). We will post this changeover time in the Newsbox as well as in the individual threads, and will give you as much lead time as we can manage. This will enable us to end the slowdown ASAP.

Thank you for your patience.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fritzkep on December 21, 2006, 06:28:56 AM
Just noticed that the Colorado BBQ in May on the Daily Sheet is described as a Forum event, whereas on the thread they take pains to say it is not a Forum event, but rather for many Forums. Perhaps the notice should be relocated to the other side of the page?

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on December 21, 2006, 06:43:24 AM
Just noticed that the Colorado BBQ in May on the Daily Sheet is described as a Forum event, whereas on the thread they take pains to say it is not a Forum event, but rather for many Forums. Perhaps the notice should be relocated to the other side of the page?


We consulted with the organizers about that and they are okay with it where it is.  The forum side is for events that are largely forum oriented, but doesn't have to be exclusively forum related.  The other events are for things that have no connection to the forum e.g. rodeos, book signings, lectures, etc.

It's no big deal and if the organizers want us to move it we certainly can.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fritzkep on December 21, 2006, 08:09:47 AM
Just noticed that the Colorado BBQ in May on the Daily Sheet is described as a Forum event, whereas on the thread they take pains to say it is not a Forum event, but rather for many Forums. Perhaps the notice should be relocated to the other side of the page?


We consulted with the organizers about that and they are okay with it where it is.  The forum side is for events that are largely forum oriented, but doesn't have to be exclusively forum related.  The other events are for things that have no connection to the forum e.g. rodeos, book signings, lectures, etc.

It's no big deal and if the organizers want us to move it we certainly can.

That's fine with me, thanks Gonzo!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on December 21, 2006, 01:24:25 PM
Ang made a brilliant film, none of us have any argument with that. But this comment bothered me quite a bit... and I realize that JS may have been quoting him out of context too, we don't really know what else was said at that time.... and his version, his Director's Cut may well be the best and most perfect version we will ever see ... but imho, this comment shows a disconnect with the reality of what fans want in a Special Edition

I've got to say I found that comment rather troubling too, for two reasons.

One was that it was a bit disingenuous - whether they call it a Director's Cut or Quaker Oats, the producing studio is generally the entity that "owns" a film, not the director.

And the other is that it seemed to suggest a kind of contempt for fans of this movie; i.e., "we don't need to bother putting in anything new - those rubes will buy the new edition no matter what."  There doesn't seem to have been a whole lot of thought put into "what are we going to give people who already bought the DVD a reason to buy another one?"

I have two copies of the DVD, wide-screen and full-screen versions. And I'm certainly not going to fork over more $$ for so little in return. IMO a lot of fans will feel that way.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on December 21, 2006, 01:28:16 PM
Well, yes and no.  There's a big difference between putting them BACK IN the film (as was done with deleted scenes in Lord of the Rings, mainly to good effect), and putting the deleted scenes on a separate DVD as part of the package.

They may be bad scenes, but they are part of Brokeback, as are the costumes and locations and heck, the director's commentary (not even mentioned).  Fans would like to see them, critics would like to see them, and film historians would like to see them, regardless of how rejected they were by Ang.

There are movies out there that benefitted, or would benefit, by having deleted scenes put back in; Dances With Wolves is the one that comes to mind immediately. In other cases, what was done is what should have been done with the first DVD edition of BBM: put the deleted scenes in a separate special feature section where people can look at them.

When they come out with a Special Edition that has the deleted scenes and (!!) outtakes from the two tent scenes, I'll camp out at the store the night before they go on sale.   :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 21, 2006, 06:13:37 PM
Marge is there any difference between full screen and wide screen? i have widescreen.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mary on December 21, 2006, 06:32:57 PM
Well, yes and no.  There's a big difference between putting them BACK IN the film (as was done with deleted scenes in Lord of the Rings, mainly to good effect), and putting the deleted scenes on a separate DVD as part of the package.

They may be bad scenes, but they are part of Brokeback, as are the costumes and locations and heck, the director's commentary (not even mentioned).  Fans would like to see them, critics would like to see them, and film historians would like to see them, regardless of how rejected they were by Ang.

Agreed - for some films I've enjoyed hearing from the directory WHY they removed the scene - that can be a really interesting peak into their vision for the film and how it evolved
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on December 21, 2006, 06:43:45 PM
Marge is there any difference between full screen and wide screen? i have widescreen.

Full screen is wider horizontally and narrower vertically.  Full screen is closer to square.  Generally speaking, wide screen is what you get at a theatre.  Full screen mimics the dimensions of your TV better.  Usually, to get full screen you have to lop off varying sections of the outer ends of the wide screen version.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 21, 2006, 08:31:53 PM
That is what i thought. Which is why i didn't buy full screen.
What point is there?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on December 21, 2006, 08:34:38 PM
Does this 'Wide Screen' make my TV look fat?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 21, 2006, 08:37:10 PM
lmao
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on December 21, 2006, 08:39:17 PM
lmao

You must get in practice.  The answer to that question is always 'no'.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 21, 2006, 08:46:58 PM
Not really.

I get asked does this make me look fat to the point where I once said yes honey you look like one of Mothra's eggsacks in that dress. She looked stunned and the eyes popped on every woman in hearing. And i said stop asking me that silly question you didn't look fat 5 minutes ago in the other dress and you dont look fat now. you're a beautiful woman, look in the mirror. And they all smiled so angelicly...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on December 21, 2006, 09:03:13 PM
Not really.

I get asked does this make me look fat to the point where I once said yes honey you look like one of Mothra's eggsacks in that dress. She looked stunned and the eyes popped on every woman in hearing. And i said stop asking me that silly question you didn't look fat 5 minutes ago in the other dress and you dont look fat now. you're a beautiful woman, look in the mirror. And they all smiled so angelicly...

Damn...you're good!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 21, 2006, 09:10:50 PM
I have moments
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on December 21, 2006, 09:25:54 PM
I have moments

Sure wish there was a 3-D version!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Jer009 on December 22, 2006, 02:38:59 PM
Happy Holidays, folks!

I'd like to thank you all for your fine work. And that new banner looks great.

I have a request. There is, somewhere, a picture of the BBM cast signing a blow-up of the Forum ad after the Oscars scandal. I've used the Search feature for this, and it's not really helping.

Where do you guys suggest I look? If you're not able to respond right away, don't worry. It's the holidays and we're all busy.

Thanks again, and Happy Holidays!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on December 22, 2006, 03:46:16 PM
That story about GLBT youth in the streets sure put a damper on my Xmas mood.
F**k it's revolting how people can be so heartless.
It's beyond my comprehension.

I guess our movie still has a lot of work to do...



Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on December 22, 2006, 04:26:49 PM
Happy Holidays, folks!

I'd like to thank you all for your fine work. And that new banner looks great.

I have a request. There is, somewhere, a picture of the BBM cast signing a blow-up of the Forum ad after the Oscars scandal. I've used the Search feature for this, and it's not really helping.

Where do you guys suggest I look? If you're not able to respond right away, don't worry. It's the holidays and we're all busy.

Thanks again, and Happy Holidays!

Maybe try the Memorabilia thread, Jer. It's right here: http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=10907.0

Other than that, I have no idea where it would be. I don't know that I've ever seen such a picture.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on December 22, 2006, 04:39:17 PM
Happy Holidays, folks!

I'd like to thank you all for your fine work. And that new banner looks great.

I have a request. There is, somewhere, a picture of the BBM cast signing a blow-up of the Forum ad after the Oscars scandal. I've used the Search feature for this, and it's not really helping.

Where do you guys suggest I look? If you're not able to respond right away, don't worry. It's the holidays and we're all busy.

Thanks again, and Happy Holidays!

Maybe try the Memorabilia thread, Jer. It's right here: http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=10907.0

Other than that, I have no idea where it would be. I don't know that I've ever seen such a picture.

You might want to ask the PhotoCappers, they seem to know where all the pics are.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on December 22, 2006, 04:43:01 PM
Marge is there any difference between full screen and wide screen? i have widescreen.

Full screen is wider horizontally and narrower vertically.  Full screen is closer to square.  Generally speaking, wide screen is what you get at a theatre.  Full screen mimics the dimensions of your TV better.  Usually, to get full screen you have to lop off varying sections of the outer ends of the wide screen version.

Gonzo, I know what you are saying here, the conventional wisdom -- but there are some who say that in the case of Brokeback Mountain, there is a bit more "vertical" in the full screen version, so in FNIT (for example) more is visible "below."  Maybe Marge Innavera can comment some more on this, or -- actually I did a Daily Sheet on this one time, based on a very detailed post by -- I think -- rosewood, who said the full screen version of BBM is worth owning.  And watching.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Gonzo on December 22, 2006, 04:49:47 PM
*damned former editors, think they know everything*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 22, 2006, 05:46:19 PM
I'm buying full screen Tellyouwhat.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on December 23, 2006, 08:33:49 AM
there are some who say that in the case of Brokeback Mountain, there is a bit more "vertical" in the full screen version, so in FNIT (for example) more is visible "below."  Maybe Marge Innavera can comment some more on this, or -- actually I did a Daily Sheet on this one time, based on a very detailed post by -- I think -- rosewood, who said the full screen version of BBM is worth owning.  And watching.

I own both a wide screen and full screen copy and for our TV I much prefer the full screen, but that seems to depend on the size of your TV.  Our screen measures 17x22 inches (43x56 cm) and the full screen definitely works better for that size. Wide screen seems to add little if any quality, has a smaller viewing window and cuts off a little on the top and bottom. For larger screens, the vertical distortion will get more noticeable, so it's an individual thing.

Of course, some of us fanatical Brokies still want to have both versions!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Jay63 on December 23, 2006, 10:09:19 AM
Thanks to the Daily Sheet Staff for bringing the 2006 Oscar poster to our attention.   I think it is very touching - and fitting that  a line from Our Favorite Movie be included.  It is a very subtle acknowlegement of the importance of this film.   We all know it was hands-down the best film of 2005.
Happy Holidays everyone!
Jay
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on December 23, 2006, 11:01:36 AM
I followed the link to Variety to read the entire list of movie quotes on the poster. Remarkably enough, some years had even two or three quotes included. In 2005 there is only our one BBM quote!  Nothing from Crash. Imagine that!!!  ;D

You all are doing SUCH a great job with TDS. I look forward to it each morning.

- KittyHawk
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on December 23, 2006, 12:37:21 PM
Yes, the Oscar poster's nice.

But I still cannot applaud anything ampas related until I've heard someone from there acknowledge homophobia was a cause of last spring's bp outcome.

I think they know how p.o.'d many of us are and have done subtle things to appease those of us that are--things like hiring Ellen Degeneres to be next year's host.  And the quote on the ampas poster from BBM!  Second on the top left--that's the place where anyone who wants to read all the quotes starts to read, or looks at.  (Look!  Everyone!  Your movie's on the poster, right there!  At the top!)  Co-incidence or am I just too cynical about the subject?

Link:
http://theenvelope.latimes.com/awards/oscars/env-pondgantis-18dec18,0,3865671.story?page=1&coll=env-home-headlines

In part of a recent interview with ampas president Sid Ganis from the L.A. Times (link above), the interviewer questions him about people not wanting to see Brokeback Mountain last year.  At first, as usual, he tries to naively shuffle it off by saying "Really?  People didn't want to watch it?  Even with their screeners they were sent?"  As though the interviewer had nothing to back that up with.  So the interviewer mentions two members who were quoted live and in print.  Ganis's reply says he knows very well what the interviewer is talking about:

Ganis: Oh, right, Tony Curtis and Ernest Borgnine. Yeah. That was weird. I'd say, on the record, that's weird and they shouldn't have voted. Period. I'm surprised at them for thinking that way. They're artists. Why wouldn't they, as artists, be curious about material that's been lauded by their fellow artists?

Forum member LSky94 correctly observes:
Seems like he still needs to "play dumb" regarding the BBM snub.

And forum member daninprov notes:
"Weird"? I think he means "homophobic."

So, until ampas actually acknowledges this, which is all I can seek from that organization because the decision will never be reversed, I regard any inclusion of BBM or G&L persons in regards to their awards with great suspicion.  And when academy officials like Mr. Ganis "play dumb" about it instead of truth-telling, well, then people who are able to should call them on it. Seems the gay press won't do it, with the exception of AfterElton, so I keep bringing it up.

I learned once that to deal with hurt from someone, an individual OR an organization, you should let them know.  Well, from reading the Awards Aftermath thread all year, many people were hurt by this because the result was from homophobia, both circumstantial AND documented.  The fact that the press will not address it, even the gay press, or ampas, is starting to sting more than ampas's continual downplaying or brushing it aside as false.   (You notice when ever the homophobia issue is brought up, academy spokesman always side-step it to the issue of not having seen the film, so they shouldn't have voted. Not the REASON for not seeing/voting for it.)  So, I will keep bringing this aspect up until it becomes acknowledged.

In the meantime, to me the most relevant movie quote on ampas's new oscar poster is right above oscar's head:  "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn."
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on December 23, 2006, 12:57:06 PM
I don't really care what the Academy does. It's the glitz and glamour award. I don't know anybody under the age of 40 who even watches it anymore. More and more people look to the Globes and BAFTA.

Oscar is screwing himself and that's too bad. It's an award  declining in importance, bit by bit, year by year. Ten years ago nobody in the US gave a damned about the Golden Globes. now they are 'The Thing'.

They added a quote. So what.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on December 24, 2006, 08:14:25 AM
I learned once that to deal with hurt from someone, an individual OR an organization, you should let them know.  Well, from reading the Awards Aftermath thread all year, many people were hurt by this because the result was from homophobia, both circumstantial AND documented.  The fact that the press will not address it, even the gay press, or ampas, is starting to sting more than ampas's continual downplaying or brushing it aside as false.   (You notice when ever the homophobia issue is brought up, academy spokesman always side-step it to the issue of not having seen the film, so they shouldn't have voted. Not the REASON for not seeing/voting for it.)  So, I will keep bringing this aspect up until it becomes acknowledged.

I thoroughly agree with this.

I'm glad the Daily Sheet ran the poster, as it's part of BBM history, as is the Oscar farce of 2006. But I haven't seen any real concern expressed by AMPAS, nor heard of any attempt to address the issue of homophobia other than denial and window-dressing. Nor have they attempted to correct this appalling situation of members being allowed to vote in categories like Best Film when they have refused to watch one of the entries.

The inclusion of quotes from Brokeback -- and the omission of anything from Crash, for that matter -- indicates that someone in a decision-making position knows perfectly well they made an indefensible choice. But if there's no direct acknowledgement or changes, I'd say that homophobic leopard hasn't changed a single spot.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Jer009 on December 24, 2006, 10:13:37 AM
Thanks, folks.

But where are the PhotoCappers you mentioned? How do I get there?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on December 24, 2006, 10:22:01 AM
Here you go, jer09, a link to page one of the Photo Caps thread.  Enjoy, but have tissues ready...most are very funny, but a few are quite poignant and will bring tears to your eyes.  Hugs, and Happy Holidays!


http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=323.0

For a condensed version, the following is a link to Photo Caps Greatest Hits!


http://davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=17834.new;boardseen#new
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on December 25, 2006, 09:41:10 AM
It's Christmas morning, the DS really helped in forgetting my headache...

That recipe sorta made me aware of it all over again.

The BBM video made me cry which made me see somewhat clearly again.

I may have a Borderline Personality Disorder, I'm now thinking of moving my head.

I may have to read the sheet again to try and see what I've missed, due to slow and painfull eyelid use.

I'll try to thank you later.

JJ







Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CellarDweller115 on December 25, 2006, 09:50:32 AM
Merry Christmas to all those who work on TDS for us!

The Christmas addition was great!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: chapeaugris on December 25, 2006, 11:14:08 AM
Didnt read the Crown Royal cookie recipe the first time, but made a mental note to return to it because we have a bottle of that whiskey that my father brought us from duty-free when visiting 10 years ago. I use it once in a while it for cooking -- thats all its good for -- and thought, at last a way to get rid of the rest of it.  Think I will just toss the rest of the bottle out the window!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: amdaz on December 25, 2006, 12:11:46 PM

Merry Christmas guys!

Thank you especially Cyn for giving us a most beautiful story.

 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: backtobrokeback on December 25, 2006, 01:43:43 PM
I was sitting there this morning, surrounded by presents, a cat on my lap, and my wonderful partner of 16 years across from me, a roaring fire, Christmas carols, and then... my eyes fell on the Brokeback Mountain calendar and the image of Ennis and Jack.  :'(   I wished all I had to them, for them, that they might have a happy moment to just be together.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on December 25, 2006, 11:09:48 PM
CYN, what a magnificent story, so tender and true...or, at least, we pray it was.    :-*

BrokenOkie, I hope to use that recipe next Christmas.   :D  Thanks in advance!   ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BrokenOkie on December 26, 2006, 12:44:13 AM
BrokenOkie, I hope to use that recipe next Christmas.   :D  Thanks in advance!   ;)

Why wait?  Lots of holidays between now and then for practice!  ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on December 29, 2006, 11:26:42 AM
Um, I hope that life-sized Jake doll also comes with a pair of light blue board trunks.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on December 29, 2006, 01:07:43 PM
Um, I hope that life-sized Jake doll also comes with a pair of light blue board trunks.

LOL

Sold separately!

No wonder I didn't get much response to the original post!

That's one reason why the photocap went immediately obscure --  :-\ :D ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mcnell1120 on December 31, 2006, 08:00:07 AM
                                    (http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g60/trixie75/Misc/newyear4.gif)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CellarDweller115 on December 31, 2006, 01:15:19 PM
Thank you for the great profile of Ruth.  I truly enjoy seeing everyone's profiles spotlighted.

And thank you for giving a spotlight to Conny's post!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on December 31, 2006, 02:02:08 PM
You're welcome!  :)

I really love the member profiles. They're my favorite TDS thing to do. Well, that and pick the photocap of the day. ;)  There're so many interesting and talented here on the forum.

Happy New Year, everyone!
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Post by: john john on December 31, 2006, 02:54:14 PM
That Ruth sure is talented!
Thanks for the sheet it's always a blast :)

Happy New Year to all of you.
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Post by: Brokeback_1 on January 01, 2007, 03:05:21 AM
Hey, I'm onlyt the 4th person to read the Daily Sheet this year, how cool lololol!!!!!!!!!!


HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM ONE NERVOUS about-to-be- GROOM!!
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Post by: elle_ann on January 01, 2007, 03:14:08 AM
Happy New Year, Jack! And about those nerves? NORMAL!!!!  :D :D But we'll be thinking of you and Katrina! and we expect to see LOADS of lovely pictures!!!

Elle
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Post by: Monica LoveEmBoys on January 01, 2007, 04:17:29 PM
Happy New Year, Jack! And about those nerves? NORMAL!!!!  :D :D But we'll be thinking of you and Katrina! and we expect to see LOADS of lovely pictures!!!

Elle

I'll second this one Jack...  Hope your trip to New York was uneventful... other than being horribly delayed of course.

Our best to you two!
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Post by: paintedshoes on January 01, 2007, 06:23:02 PM


HAPPY NEW YEAR FROM ONE NERVOUS about-to-be- GROOM!!
Happy New Year, Jack, to you and Katrina, and all the good wishes in the world for both of you.   :-* :-*
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Post by: Elevation on January 02, 2007, 11:57:23 AM
Love the New Years issue! had me some good laughs, plus a tear or two of joy just from reading the Auld Lang Syne translation--now I don't have to mumble the lyrics anymore! ;D 
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Post by: Melby on January 02, 2007, 03:58:01 PM
LOL at Brokeback Towers, and Krakatoa erupting, and "Don't mention the shirts"!

Love Basil Fawlty! (And TDS)
"He's from Barcelona."
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Post by: ruth on January 04, 2007, 11:34:35 AM
Hi Daily Sheet Personnel!

I just wanted to say thank you for the article today about Tom Richmond, the MAD Magazine artist, and his experiences on drawing caricatures of Heath and Jake.  I find that just fascinating...especially since I think the same thing, Jake is so much harder to draw than Heath, and I totally thought it would be the other way around since Jake's face seems custom-made for caricature.  Anyway it was really interesting to read Tom's blog, a real pro cartoonist, and hear him talk about why he thinks that might be the case.  Man, I love stuff like that. Where do you find it?!  (Please keep finding it!  :))

ruth
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Post by: elle_ann on January 04, 2007, 11:50:36 AM
Hi Daily Sheet Personnel!

I just wanted to say thank you for the article today about Tom Richmond, the MAD Magazine artist, and his experiences on drawing caricatures of Heath and Jake.  I find that just fascinating...especially since I think the same thing, Jake is so much harder to draw than Heath, and I totally thought it would be the other way around since Jake's face seems custom-made for caricature.  Anyway it was really interesting to read Tom's blog, a real pro cartoonist, and hear him talk about why he thinks that might be the case.  Man, I love stuff like that. Where do you find it?!  (Please keep finding it!  :))
ruth

That was Marcia, our wonderful Assistant Editor! She manages to come up with the most amazing things - she did the Tom in Finland piece too, btw!!  :D
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Post by: fernly on January 04, 2007, 11:52:48 AM
JS: Yeah. They wanted to put in some deleted scenes. There was a discussion about deleted scenes, but quite frankly, as Ang said, "The reason I deleted them was because I wanted to delete them. So why would I put them in the DVD?" [Laughs.] That's a pretty good point there, Ang!   

Backtobrokeback, I agree.

Ang made a brilliant film, none of us have any argument with that. But this comment bothered me quite a bit... and I realize that JS may have been quoting him out of context too, we don't really know what else was said at that time.... and his version, his Director's Cut may well be the best and most perfect version we will ever see ... but imho, this comment shows a disconnect with the reality of what fans want in a Special Edition. Fans today are far more sophisticated than in yesteryear - we like to know WHY the director made the choices he did, and we want him to show us and tell us, share his thoughts and processes with us, engage in a dialogue as it were - using deleted scenes, outtakes, commentary etc.

Ang seems to have removed himself from that dialogue. Of course he has the right to do so - he doesn't need to win us over, he already has us in the palm of his filmmaking hand! But that doesn't mean we have to like it... :(

I watched Ride with the Devil a few days ago. No deleted scenes or commentary on that DVD either. What about his other films? Is this standard practice for Ang?
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Post by: Marge_Innavera on January 05, 2007, 09:19:43 AM
Yeah. They wanted to put in some deleted scenes. There was a discussion about deleted scenes, but quite frankly, as Ang said, "The reason I deleted them was because I wanted to delete them. So why would I put them in the DVD?"

Good for Ang!

I take a quite different view. That quote seems to sum up a certain contempt for the viewers, an attitude more typical of critics.  If "I did this because I wanted to and because I can" is a typical Ang Lee approach it could come back to bite him hard eventually; and that would be very unfortunate for such a great director.

There also seems to be an underlying assumption that "we don't have to really add anything significant to a 2-disc set - those rubes will buy it anyway."  Well, I'm not buying it, and I live in rural Missouri right smack in the middle of cattle-raising country. And if that doesn't make me a rube I don't know what would.   ::)
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Post by: Marge_Innavera on January 05, 2007, 09:24:17 AM
I just wanted to say thank you for the article today about Tom Richmond, the MAD Magazine artist, and his experiences on drawing caricatures of Heath and Jake.  I find that just fascinating...especially since I think the same thing, Jake is so much harder to draw than Heath, and I totally thought it would be the other way around since Jake's face seems custom-made for caricature.  Anyway it was really interesting to read Tom's blog, a real pro cartoonist, and hear him talk about why he thinks that might be the case. 

That was such a hoot, finding the MAD parody!  I'm sure some readers were offended by it, but MAD really did give Brokeback essentially the same treatment it's given other movies over the years, and I thought the caricatures were very well done.

I was surprised to read that Jake was a harder subject for a caricature artist than Heath - would have thought the mouth and the eyes would be a perfect focal point.
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Post by: ruth on January 05, 2007, 10:31:31 AM
That was such a hoot, finding the MAD parody!  I'm sure some readers were offended by it, but MAD really did give Brokeback essentially the same treatment it's given other movies over the years, and I thought the caricatures were very well done.

 I think they might have had even a bigger challenge because by the time the BBM issue was out, the movie had been parodied so many times elsewhere...how to find fresh material? I was really quite pleased with the job they did, having been a MAD fan since my youth I really, really hoped they would lampoon BBM.
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Post by: kmich on January 05, 2007, 12:20:01 PM
I was surprised to read that Jake was a harder subject for a caricature artist than Heath - would have thought the mouth and the eyes would be a perfect focal point.

Maybe because Jake's features are already a little exaggerated? And I mean that in the best possible way--the man is amazingly gorgeous. :P But perhaps the large head and eyes the size of silver dollars and perfect cupid's bow lips make it harder to caricature? (Not that I've pondered Jake's features at all  ::)) I don't know--I'm not an artist by an stretch of the imagination. Just a guess.

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Post by: kmich on January 05, 2007, 12:32:13 PM
And I loved the photocaps, magicmountain!! I laughed hysterically when I first read them.  :D Must have taken a lot of time to find all those old pics.
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Post by: Oregondoggie on January 05, 2007, 02:28:33 PM
I was surprised to read that Jake was a harder subject for a caricature artist than Heath - would have thought the mouth and the eyes would be a perfect focal point.

Maybe because Jake's features are already a little exaggerated? And I mean that in the best possible way--the man is amazingly gorgeous. :P But perhaps the large head and eyes the size of silver dollars and perfect cupid's bow lips make it harder to caricature? (Not that I've pondered Jake's features at all  ::)) I don't know--I'm not an artist by an stretch of the imagination. Just a guess.


Jake does look like that animated cowboy in Toy Story.  Huge eyes, etc.  What was his name? 
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Post by: kmich on January 05, 2007, 03:13:38 PM

Jake does look like that animated cowboy in Toy Story.  Huge eyes, etc.  What was his name? 

That would be Woody. Voiced by Tom Hanks. I've seen that movie more times that I care to count, lol.
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Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on January 05, 2007, 03:30:31 PM
Thx to michaelflanagansf for the great column of "firsts."  In addition to all the great fun I have had on the forum, the trips to San Antonio and Los Angeles and Wyoming, (and all the forum participants I met in those places) -- I have read lots of books I would never have read otherwise, due to participation in the forum book clubs.  So double thanks to michaelflanagan for moderating in our book club threads.

Furthermore, the illumination that comes from reading with THIS group has been awesome (especially when we read Annie Proulx.)
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Post by: mary on January 05, 2007, 10:38:33 PM
I was surprised to read that Jake was a harder subject for a caricature artist than Heath - would have thought the mouth and the eyes would be a perfect focal point.
Maybe because Jake's features are already a little exaggerated? And I mean that in the best possible way--the man is amazingly gorgeous. :P But perhaps the large head and eyes the size of silver dollars and perfect cupid's bow lips make it harder to caricature? (Not that I've pondered Jake's features at all  ::)) I don't know--I'm not an artist by an stretch of the imagination. Just a guess. 

I tend to think you are right - his head and his eyes are so huge - and IMHO just add to his dramatic good looks but how much bigger can you make them before they go beyond caricature and just look weird
I did like this one though:

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i181/bbmmary/rideemjake.jpg)
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Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on January 06, 2007, 10:09:23 AM
Mary --

That is a great find!  I love it. 

I have seen Tom Cruise caricatured -- in the comic strip "Bizarro" -- memorable because the artist did not use his face at all, just a 3/4 view from the back, it was more the posture -- and I can't remember the caption, something about being in love with himself or the mirror or the camera -- in any case (that was right after the Nicole break-up, before the Katie craziness) that caricature convinced me it is mostly a matter of finding the right line or silhouette.

Not suggesting we compare crazy Tom with our beloved Jake -- except for their obvious mutual gorgeousness.

I wish I could get a hold of that MAD magazine parody!
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Post by: paintedshoes on January 06, 2007, 06:01:14 PM
Dave, thanks so much for the info on your friend, Bill Kelly.  I, for one, LOVED Blast from the Past, and really look forward to both of his new films.  I appreciate the heads up.
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Post by: michaelflanagansf on January 07, 2007, 01:32:40 AM
Thx to michaelflanagansf for the great column of "firsts."  In addition to all the great fun I have had on the forum, the trips to San Antonio and Los Angeles and Wyoming, (and all the forum participants I met in those places) -- I have read lots of books I would never have read otherwise, due to participation in the forum book clubs.  So double thanks to michaelflanagan for moderating in our book club threads.

Furthermore, the illumination that comes from reading with THIS group has been awesome (especially when we read Annie Proulx.)

Why thanks!  It was my pleasure (in both cases)!
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Post by: Lfmamma on January 08, 2007, 08:17:56 AM
Cyn - beautiful, beautiful poem. And as usual - you kill me with your writing. Thank you!!!
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Post by: Jer009 on January 10, 2007, 10:30:29 PM
Happy New Year to everyone at TDS!

I don't know if this is the proper place to report this, but The Daily Sheet's link to the Jake G. appearance on Saturday Night Live doesn't seem to be working right. (Of course, it's likely to be operator error on my part. When I click on the link, I get a message like, "The topic or board appears to be either missing or off limits to you"

Huh?

Anybody have any ideas? I'd love to know anything about the appearance, especially since Jake will be in New York, and Heath lives in Brooklyn, soooo....is it too much to hope that we'll have a min-BBM reunion? Maybe even a sketch together? I'm fairly swooning at the prospect.
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Post by: Monica LoveEmBoys on January 10, 2007, 10:49:54 PM
Good catch

There was some squirrley ness with the SNL  thread - it was deleted and recreated.  The link in the January 8th issue should point to:

http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=19058.0

Monica
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Post by: Nax on January 12, 2007, 06:39:14 AM
In response to the vote mentioned re Most attractive man listing Robbie Williams as second - excuse me what happened to taste?
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Post by: Marge_Innavera on January 12, 2007, 06:44:04 AM
In response to the vote mentioned re Most attractive man listing Robbie Williams as second - excuse me what happened to taste?

Don't know but I just voted - and you can vote more than once!   ;D
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Post by: Mikey on January 12, 2007, 09:18:33 AM
Dear Group,

First of all, is this the appropriate place to post this inquiry?

Can anyone tell me about a 2 DVD set of Brokeback Mountain.  A friend just asked me about it.  It was news to me.

Mikey
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Post by: elle_ann on January 12, 2007, 09:57:19 AM
Hi Mikey

There IS a 2 Disc DVD set being released by Universal on Jan 23rd. They are calling it a Special Edition - however, if you or your friend already own the original DVD, you won't find much that is new on the 2 Disc set. For details of the release in a recent press release, go here. (http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070110/law077.html?.v=82)

For forum thoughts on the release, go here. (http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=17541.0)

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Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on January 12, 2007, 02:40:48 PM
Thanks for gnash's photocap in todays TDS.  I had forgotten about that one and it made me laugh out loud once again!
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Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on January 12, 2007, 02:59:08 PM
Love the David Denby article today.  I want to comment about his Arclight raves, though.  My rant...  I'm not a particular fan of this place for the following reasons.

1.)  I'm 6'5".  The theatre seats at the Arclight have curved shoulders which dig into my back if I sit up straight.  If I don't sit up and scrunch down, I get a backache and/or headache.  The Chinese 6 have the same seats.  I hate them.  Who wants to pay $11-$16 dollars (or $25 in the case of Dreamgirls) to get a headache?

2.)  Oh, yeah.  Did I say movie tickets cost $11-$16, or more?

3.)  The restaurant and bar items they mention are priced like concession items.  Too much!   And for the price, it is relatively mediocre.

4.)  A lot of people like that they have reserved seats.  You can get your tickets and come back later, or in advance and arrive nearer the showtime.  But I've gotten reserved seats a couple times where I've had to sit next to complete jerks and you can't move.  So...

5.) The restaurant serves delicious coffee.   Yes, but most theatres in L.A. will let you bring coffee into the theatres.  I know, I do it all the time.

6.)  Denby says "Before the movie, people hang out and have a drink or leaf through a hot new novel or a movie-star biography."  True, but I have never thought the Arclight was a very comfortable atmosphere for this.  Around awards season, they usually also have costume displays from films.  Sometimes props.  I did see Brokeback Mountain there and they had costumes from all of the four main cast members there.  (They were the only ones encased in plexiglass, by the way!)  I saw the original shirts that sold for $100,000+ and Lureen's (now Melissa's) red cowgirl outfit etc.

I'm sure there are many who like this place, but I have not found it to be always a friendly, satisfactory movie-going experience there.  In L.A., for multiplex theatres, I much prefer The Grove or the new remodeled Century City AMC.

...for what it's worth.
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Post by: Jer009 on January 12, 2007, 09:04:09 PM
Thanks, Monica!
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Post by: Brokeback_1 on January 13, 2007, 05:22:31 AM
I second that--thanks Monica!
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Post by: paintedshoes on January 13, 2007, 08:32:27 AM
I'd like to send up a prayer of thanks for Gonzo, and all his hard work on TDS.  Sorry to see you step down from the job, honey, though I know you leave it in capable hands.
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Post by: john john on January 13, 2007, 09:59:03 AM
Thanks Gonzo for all the fine work on the sheet!
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Post by: Brokeback_1 on January 13, 2007, 10:12:35 AM
Gonzo, thanks for all the work!!!
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Post by: lovelyamazing on January 13, 2007, 11:11:56 AM
Just a line to say thank you for all the love, good wishes and amazing positive vibes that have been reaching me from the forum which has been home to me and lovelysmom over the past few months. She is still unable to speak and even show response, though there is a marginal improvement. Will keep you all informed.
Hugs to you all
Lovelyamazing
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Post by: elle_ann on January 13, 2007, 11:19:23 AM
Thinking of you, sweetheart, and a big hug from me  to your sweet momma next time you see her, OK?
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Post by: Jer009 on January 13, 2007, 06:24:09 PM
Thanks, Gonzo, for all your hard work! We really appreciate it!
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Post by: Brokeback_1 on January 14, 2007, 10:19:05 AM
I hope everything turns ot well, lovely.
Jack
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Post by: Marge_Innavera on January 14, 2007, 12:46:11 PM
Just a line to say thank you for all the love, good wishes and amazing positive vibes that have been reaching me from the forum which has been home to me and lovelysmom over the past few months. She is still unable to speak and even show response, though there is a marginal improvement. Will keep you all informed.
Hugs to you all

Hugs back to you (((( )))))) and God bless.
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Post by: johnbeene on January 15, 2007, 07:21:29 PM
Here's some new info (finally!) on Stephen Gyllenhaal's appearance in Boulder, Colorado:

Stephen Gyllenhaal, poet, film & television director will show clips of his films and read poems from his book Claptrap in the ATLAS Theater on the CU campus.

Feb. 21: Screening of film clips, 7 pm

Feb. 22: Poetry reading, 7 p.m.

Further Details TBA

Contact Barbara Sorensen at 303-823-5149 or woc@indra.com for more information.


Check this website for further details:

http://www.mmminc.org/  Click on Events
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Post by: BayCityJohn on January 16, 2007, 11:52:13 AM
From TDS today:

As a side note, the YouTube clip featuring Jake's SNL sensational tribute to his gay fan base drew over 40,000 hits within 48 hours before being taken down by the networks.

And that wasn't the only clip!

The clip that I uploaded drew over 60,000 hits in 48 hours.
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Post by: elle_ann on January 16, 2007, 03:23:07 PM
From TDS today:

As a side note, the YouTube clip featuring Jake's SNL sensational tribute to his gay fan base drew over 40,000 hits within 48 hours before being taken down by the networks.

And that wasn't the only clip!

The clip that I uploaded drew over 60,000 hits in 48 hours.

That's amazing!!!  :o  :o Is your's still there?
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Post by: BayCityJohn on January 16, 2007, 10:18:49 PM
No. I pulled my clip yesterday before they got to me.

I couldn't figure out why my clip was getting so many hits, but then jim.grr clued me in to this. Rachel Sklar wrote a little article on The Huffington Post and linked my clip:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/01/15/jake-gyllenhaal-belts-out_n_38682.html
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Post by: Front-Ranger on January 20, 2007, 11:44:25 AM
Here's some new info (finally!) on Stephen Gyllenhaal's appearance in Boulder, Colorado:

Stephen Gyllenhaal, poet, film & television director will show clips of his films and read poems from his book Claptrap in the ATLAS Theater on the CU campus.

Feb. 21: Screening of film clips, 7 pm

Feb. 22: Poetry reading, 7 p.m.

Further Details TBA

Contact Barbara Sorensen at 303-823-5149 or woc@indra.com for more information.


Check this website for further details:

http://www.mmminc.org/  Click on Events
Wow, I'm sorry I missed this. I will have to come here more often!! FRont-Ranger
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Post by: Marge_Innavera on January 22, 2007, 07:18:28 AM
Hope you're planning to attend!?
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Post by: Brokeback_1 on January 22, 2007, 08:37:45 AM
I'll be there.

I'm home in Denver now, too.
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Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on January 22, 2007, 12:40:55 PM
I always enjoy seeing Brokeback Mountain items that are for sale like those on todays Daily Sheet.

But, and I am just asking, does anyone find some of those items a bit on the homophobic side, and by that I mean dealing with humor the likes of which all the late night comedians heaped upon Brokeback all last spring?  I'm referring to those items listed for the cowboy in you or the slogan about When we get to the cabin, we'll enter in the back door or whatever that was?

Just pondering...
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Post by: BayCityJohn on January 22, 2007, 01:37:56 PM
I found quite a few of those designs to be a little homophobic.

I'm pretty sure the Cafepress site is owned by one of our members. They probably didn't notice it.

I can also see a lot of blatant copyright violations, so I don't think that Cafepress store will be around for long. Or maybe they'll just have to remove those products?  I see one was removed already, and it was a screen capture from the movie.


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Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on January 22, 2007, 02:56:22 PM
Well, some people know this, and some don't, but there is still a button at the top of every forum page for the Ultimate Brokeback Store that carries BBM specific merchandise, and our forum benefits.  It is through cafepress too.

http://www.cafepress.com/bbmforum
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Post by: Jer009 on January 22, 2007, 02:57:15 PM
Below is a link to a story about same-sex unions in Wyoming, if TDS is interested in passing it on:

http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2007/01/21/news/wyoming/30-bill.txt
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Post by: Jer009 on January 22, 2007, 03:16:26 PM
Lyle & BayCityJohn--
I think you're right, some of these items are homophobic. The late night comedians especially were cruel to BBM, at the expense of gay people. Equal rights for all should not be a source of insults and derision, especially when we have the glaring example of Mathew Shepard to see where this hate and intolerance leads.
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Post by: tfferg on January 22, 2007, 06:44:08 PM
Re: polls, I'm reading Gore Vidal's memoir Palimpsest.
In April 1993, he writes:

'I have just been studying a poll that pretends to investigate the sex lives of Americans. It is wonderfully preposterous (average woman has two sexual partners - in her life), but it will be useful when the dictatorship is in place and the aberrant woman who chooses a third partner can be punished. Apparently, only 2 percent of the male population has ever had a homosexual experience. Forty-five years ago, it was 37 percent: Are Dr Kinsey's figures really off by 35 percent? Are there now entirely different "preferences" (to use a loaded political word)? Due to the fear of AIDS or to the general unattractiveness of the American male? - now the fattest on earth. Or did the Pentagon fix the poll in order to keep that now-insignificant minority "gays" - the weirdly inappropriate word used to describe a nonexistent category - from serving in the military without harassment or concealment or disgrace?

'Interestingly, all the questioners of the men were women; as a result, over 30 percent of those approached refused to participate, while the rest were obliged to lie. After all, to tell a strange woman that you had no intention of ever fucking anyone of her sex could be construed as harassment on a titanic scale, not to mention posing a grave threat to the baby supply, punishable by death in free society.

'Last year, in a book called The Day America Told the Truth, a megapoll discovered that 91 percent of our population admits to lying regularly. Of course if 91 percent were lying to the megapollsters about their propensity for lying, one is back to the oldest of recorded jokes. "All Cretans are liars," said a Cretan. True or false?'
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Post by: Brokeback_1 on January 22, 2007, 08:16:27 PM
I found quite a few of those designs to be a little homophobic.

I'm pretty sure the Cafepress site is owned by one of our members. They probably didn't notice it.

I can also see a lot of blatant copyright violations, so I don't think that Cafepress store will be around for long. Or maybe they'll just have to remove those products? I see one was removed already, and it was a screen capture from the movie.



I wouldn't call them homophobic...but insofar as double entendres go, some of those slogans take the cake.
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Post by: Marge_Innavera on January 24, 2007, 07:15:07 AM
I found quite a few of those designs to be a little homophobic.

I'm pretty sure the Cafepress site is owned by one of our members. They probably didn't notice it.

I can also see a lot of blatant copyright violations, so I don't think that Cafepress store will be around for long. Or maybe they'll just have to remove those products?  I see one was removed already, and it was a screen capture from the movie.

The "Cowboy Corner" site gives sources for the logos they use.  The round "wish I knew how to quit you" logo was provided by "PrideInArt:Gay Lesbian & Gay Pride apparel gifts", and the one with the beer bottles by Queer Republic. The Cabin logo was from "Debbie's World" and the postcard from "Mercury44."

The beer bottle logo was the one I found a bit offensive; drunk jokes don't have quite the cachet they had in the Rat Pack's heyday. The "Never been there" tee shirt and the strange 10 Commandments one with the cowboy-hatted silhouettes did use the name of the film, but I'm not sure if that's a copyright violation.

The one that was removed was probably due to copyright issues, and that was the only product I found any actual images from the film. It would be interesting if anyone did try to sue over the phrase "wish I knew how to quit you" it would keep the whole US civil court system tied up for months, if not years.

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Post by: BayCityJohn on January 24, 2007, 07:39:03 AM
The items I saw that probably are copyright violations are the ones with the Willie Nelson song title.


I'm just waiting for a cease and desist order for some of my Youtube videos.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on January 24, 2007, 07:53:10 AM
Well, some people know this, and some don't, but there is still a button at the top of every forum page for the Ultimate Brokeback Store that carries BBM specific merchandise, and our forum benefits. 

The logos and available items in the Brokeback Store were featured recently in a "Brokeback Christmas Shopping" feature.  This was in the November 24th edition of the Daily Sheet. (http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=18085.msg600508#msg600508)
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Post by: cabin on January 24, 2007, 10:15:30 AM
2 points for HBO


Brokeback Mountain
On Oscar Night:
Not Only In Bay City! 

The HBO/Cinemax guide for February reveals that Cinemax is showing Brokeback Mountain on Oscar night at 5:30pm, which is just about the time the Awards are scheduled to begin in L.A.

Can we hope that someone out there at HBO / Cinemax is making a statement of support??
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on January 27, 2007, 07:23:05 AM
TDS is always good but what an especially wonderful edition today!

Congratulations, best wishes, and love to Rob and Nick!
I'm so happy for you.

Plus the Oscar Night Program looks fantastic as does this particular photo captioning series by Lola.

As for the acronyms, Jim Bond has quite a few that he uses regularly. AJWS and AEWS are very common but he has others that keep me guessing!

-KittyHawk
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on January 27, 2007, 07:41:21 AM

As for the acronyms, Jim Bond has quite a few that he uses regularly. AJWS and AEWS are very common but he has others that keep me guessing!

-KittyHawk

Being blonde .... and that means ??? Jack something and Ennis something ....
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: gnash on January 27, 2007, 07:52:26 AM
nick and rob -- AsJackandEnnisWouldSay --->  happy anniversary, cowboys!!

one year anniversary is what.. paper? well, here's an origami (http://www.origami4you.com/daf.html) gift for you:

(http://www.origami4you.com/images/paperdaffodils.jpg)

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on January 27, 2007, 07:54:56 AM
 :D  ;)

Thanks.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on January 27, 2007, 07:59:22 AM
How wonderful!

Rob!!! Did you say YES?

This has to be the all time best daily sheet ever!!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: cynical21 on January 27, 2007, 08:01:38 AM
Huge congratulations to everyone who decided to feature the love letter from Nick to Rob.  What a lovely, wonderful story and what a tribute to what Brokeback Mountain and its creator(s) has given us all.

I would hazard a guess that those who brought this original love story to our attention - this gift from Annie Proulx to the world - would be gratified to know that their actions had created an environment in which such a story would be possible.  What a tremendous legacy for these artists - and what a gift for these perfect-for-each-other lovers to share the sweetness of their story with the rest of us.

Happy anniversary, Rob and Nick, and a lifetime of the 'sweet life' Jack and Ennis never found.

CYN
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: yb on January 27, 2007, 08:12:15 AM
Nick, what a wonderful recount of your story!  I am happy for you and Rob that this movie and the forum have brought you two together, my best wishes to you and Rob!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: whiplash on January 27, 2007, 08:16:27 AM
How wonderful!

Rob!!! Did you say YES?

This has to be the all time best daily sheet ever!!!

I must know if he said YES!!!  Does anyone know!!  Maybe we have to wait for the next edition of TDS
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mobody on January 27, 2007, 08:23:53 AM
How wonderful!

Rob!!! Did you say YES?

This has to be the all time best daily sheet ever!!!

I must know if he said YES!!!  Does anyone know!!  Maybe we have to wait for the next edition of TDS

So this year he will leave his home and come to England to live with me. We have agreed to marry shortly after that. The 27th of January is our one year anniversary, and we are to be apart physically, but only physically.

I think that means he said yes.  ..

This story was so beautiful. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on January 27, 2007, 08:24:43 AM
To those who want to know, go back and read the article again ... the answer's right there.....not far above the question.    ;)  :D

Gosh, I'm a melted puddle of gooey happiness for you two! So much love and so much happiness!! God bless you both richly in your life together!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mobody on January 27, 2007, 08:34:07 AM
To those who want to know, go back and read the article again ... the answer's right there.....not far above the question.    ;)  :D

Gosh, I'm a melted puddle of gooey happiness for you two! So much love and so much happiness!! God bless you both richly in your life together!!

I have to admit, the first time I read it, I thought it was a marriage proposal, then when I reread it a little more coherently I realized that it was a done deal.  But in any case.. ISN'T IT JUST THE MOST ROMANTIC THING YOU HAVE EVER READ?? On the Daily Sheet I mean...

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jasonwv on January 27, 2007, 08:58:21 AM
I love a love story! Congratulations Nick and Rob. I'm happy for both of you! Your love story is the best example as to why we should be allowed the same marriage rights as straights. Just think of the thousands of Gay and Lesbian couples in this Country who are denied that basic human right! Anyway, Best of Luck to you both. :)

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on January 27, 2007, 09:08:32 AM
Wasn't this just fantastic? Nick approached us with the idea and wrote the entire article. I simply had the privilege of running it.

Congratulations to you both.  :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: trinket on January 27, 2007, 09:35:50 AM
CONGRATULATIONS

Nick and Rob....
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Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: full measure on January 27, 2007, 10:07:28 AM
well how about that, go nick and bob.  i've been in a relationship for almost forty years, and after seeing brokeback mountain, i saw what a precious thing i had, and i knew to value it above small annoyances and disappointments.  it shines for me, and i wish you forty years at least in the same light, kj
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: full measure on January 27, 2007, 10:08:26 AM
typo:  nick and rob.  let's get it right, here...kj
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rob in Puyallup on January 27, 2007, 10:22:47 AM
nick and rob -- AsJackandEnnisWouldSay --->  happy anniversary, cowboys!!

one year anniversary is what.. paper? well, here's an origami (http://www.origami4you.com/daf.html) gift for you:

(http://www.origami4you.com/images/paperdaffodils.jpg)


Thank you Jimmy!!!

Thoughts of you at the BBQ...

Hugs,
Rob
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rob in Puyallup on January 27, 2007, 10:24:10 AM
How wonderful!

Rob!!! Did you say YES?

This has to be the all time best daily sheet ever!!!

Should there be suspense here? Should I just break out the news so quickly?

Of course I said "YES!!!"

 ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ruth on January 27, 2007, 10:24:34 AM
Nick and Rob---Thank you so much for sharing your beautiful story---I am all choked up here, and blinking back tears.  Congratulations and happy trails through life to you both!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on January 27, 2007, 10:30:27 AM
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d145/cccccarol/Wedding_Cake.jpg)

Congratulations!  
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rob in Puyallup on January 27, 2007, 10:31:23 AM
Huge congratulations to everyone who decided to feature the love letter from Nick to Rob.  What a lovely, wonderful story and what a tribute to what Brokeback Mountain and its creator(s) has given us all.

I would hazard a guess that those who brought this original love story to our attention - this gift from Annie Proulx to the world - would be gratified to know that their actions had created an environment in which such a story would be possible.  What a tremendous legacy for these artists - and what a gift for these perfect-for-each-other lovers to share the sweetness of their story with the rest of us.

Happy anniversary, Rob and Nick, and a lifetime of the 'sweet life' Jack and Ennis never found.

CYN

Thank you CYN... without Annie's imaginative writing that started the snowball that became the avalance called "Brokeback Mountain" none of this would've been possible. We have her to thank, as well as all the folks involved in the production of the movie that stirred and broke the hearts of millions of people worldwide.

Of course we must also thank Dave Cullen for putting this Forum up where all of us could meet, interact and become family!

My life has never, ever, had the substance it does now...

Rob
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: cynical21 on January 27, 2007, 11:19:48 AM

Thank you CYN... without Annie's imaginative writing that started the snowball that became the avalance called "Brokeback Mountain" none of this would've been possible. We have her to thank, as well as all the folks involved in the production of the movie that stirred and broke the hearts of millions of people worldwide.

Of course we must also thank Dave Cullen for putting this Forum up where all of us could meet, interact and become family!

My life has never, ever, had the substance it does now...

Rob

Just make sure the two of you hold tight, and don't let life's silly little dust-ups interfere.

I'm one of those hopeless romantics who believes that what the two of you have comes along only rarely - only once in a lifetime, if at all.  I know that, from my own experience, and I can tell you with absolute certainty that it is worth everything you have and everything you are.  Even if fate conspires to take you away from each other much sooner than you'd wish, it is still worth it all.  You can't measure love by using time as a yardstick; you can only measure it by the joy you bring to each other.

I hope your love will light your way through many wonderful years together, and that you continue to share your dreams while you also cultivate your friendship.  Friends AND lovers - surely the best of all possible worlds.

Again, sincere congratulations.

CYN
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: melissasjack on January 27, 2007, 11:32:12 AM
To the lovely TDS staff:

Thank you truly for featuring Nick's love letter to his beautiful Rob today...
What a gift...for them and to us all...

A love that will never grow old

Just beautiful, thank you.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BrokenOkie on January 27, 2007, 11:47:14 AM
(((Boo & Yogi)))

 ;D :'( ;D :'( ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fizzywhizbee on January 27, 2007, 01:29:11 PM
CONGRATULATIONS ROB AND NICK!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I am so happy for the two of you. Happy Aniversary and best wishes to you both on your life together.

Fizzy
: )
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on January 27, 2007, 01:31:59 PM
To those who want to know, go back and read the article again ... the answer's right there.....not far above the question.    ;)  :D

Gosh, I'm a melted puddle of gooey happiness for you two! So much love and so much happiness!! God bless you both richly in your life together!!

Me too!  I'm here tearing up at work!

 :-* :-* :-*  to you both, guys!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on January 27, 2007, 01:54:24 PM
TO NICK & ROB:  Congrats!  Having met you at the bbq and seeing you in person, the news seems so much more personal and exciting to me!  Thanks for sharing it!

Also--Full measure:  Thanks for showing us what the other side of the coin can be as well!
well how about that, go nick and bob.  i've been in a relationship for almost forty years, and after seeing brokeback mountain, i saw what a precious thing i had, and i knew to value it above small annoyances and disappointments.  it shines for me, and i wish you forty years at least in the same light, kj
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on January 27, 2007, 02:08:47 PM
Gosh, I'm a melted puddle of gooey happiness for you two! So much love and so much happiness!! God bless you both richly in your life together!!

Valentine's Day is coming up - hopefully we'll have some more news like this to print?

Congratulations, Rob and Nick - will we get to see any wedding photos? Please?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Elevation on January 27, 2007, 02:37:59 PM
Should there be suspense here? Should I just break out the news so quickly?

Of course I said "YES!!!"

 ;D
I'm so glad for you two, Rob&Nick! Congratulations and hugs!!!!!!! I'm also very lucky to have met the two of you together. :)  What a beautiful story you wrote, Nick.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elena on January 27, 2007, 03:54:38 PM
Of course I said "YES!!!"

Dear Rob, dear Nick,

As you can notice from our comments, we are all delighted about you two being together.
And what a big step for you to go in another continent, Rob! This is also a proof of the depht of your commitment.

I wish to both of you mountains of happyness! All the best!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Melby on January 27, 2007, 04:26:41 PM
"...And yes, today is only Friday. Tomorrow, however, we have something very special planned, so we have brought the featured profile forward by a day."

Wow...Nick & Rob's love story is very special indeed. Absolutely loved reading about it, thx TDS.

Rob & Nick, many congrats to you both for not settling for the status quo, for taking a chance on opening your hearts to let another in.
Enjoy living that sweet life always! All best wishes to you both!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Janie-G on January 28, 2007, 08:24:42 AM
Dear Nick and Rob,I felt overwhelmed when I read your story.I wish you so much happiness and joy!What you've found is so incredibly special and it's totally fitting and right that you found it through this particular place.Jack and Ennis couldn't and didn't but you can and will.Here's to your sweet life together. ;D
Janie
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: atruant on January 28, 2007, 03:19:48 PM
Rob and Nick, hearty congratulations!  ;D ;D

Chuck and I wish you every joy and success (we're taking notes).

Hugs,
John
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mary on January 28, 2007, 03:38:57 PM
Congratulations and best wishes to you Nick and Rob!

I look forward to the day when the US will be an option for you and other couples like you (joined by love, separated by a border)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: killersmom on January 28, 2007, 05:01:35 PM
Nick and Rob,
Having met you several times and seeing you two together, it is a love so true.
I also cried when I read this beautiful love letter.
I know the future is wonderful and holds all there is for you two!

Thank you Nick and Rob for sharing yourselves and your love with us,

Thank you TDS staff for having it here for all of us to share.

Linda
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: DeTina on January 28, 2007, 08:08:03 PM
Is it possible to do a little story (or a Big story?!) about all of the marriages or relationships that have formed thanks to this fabulous forum? I know my own relationship has strengthened because of it. We could also write a little piece about how to keep the flame alive. I'm totally booked until end of February (writing a book for work) but after that I'd love to help with an article or interviews or whatever.
DeTina (duh tina)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 29, 2007, 03:49:50 AM
Here's some new info (finally!) on Stephen Gyllenhaal's appearance in Boulder, Colorado:

Stephen Gyllenhaal, poet, film & television director will show clips of his films and read poems from his book Claptrap in the ATLAS Theater on the CU campus.

Feb. 21: Screening of film clips, 7 pm

Feb. 22: Poetry reading, 7 p.m.

Further Details TBA

Contact Barbara Sorensen at 303-823-5149 or woc@indra.com for more information.


Check this website for further details:

http://www.mmminc.org/  Click on Events
Wow, I'm sorry I missed this. I will have to come here more often!! FRont-Ranger
It's on my calendar!!
Why am I not able to send PMs on this board???
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Nick_F on January 29, 2007, 06:01:22 AM
Thanks Everyone! :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on January 29, 2007, 06:11:36 AM
Why am I not able to send PMs on this board???

Once you have made five posts (I think its five) then the PM facility is available to you. It should work now.  ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on January 29, 2007, 07:02:59 AM
Is it possible to do a little story (or a Big story?!) about all of the marriages or relationships that have formed thanks to this fabulous forum? I know my own relationship has strengthened because of it. We could also write a little piece about how to keep the flame alive. I'm totally booked until end of February (writing a book for work) but after that I'd love to help with an article or interviews or whatever.
DeTina (duh tina)

This would be wonderful! We're always looking for stories for TDS. Send them to Elle, Marcia, or me and we'll be happy to see what we can do.  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rob in Puyallup on January 29, 2007, 08:56:41 AM
Thank you all for the responses and PM's... my PM letter box is a bit full, I will respond to all soon. :)

It's been quite the weekend!

 ;D

Hugs,
Rob
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Saena on January 29, 2007, 03:11:21 PM
I just wanted to say that I am totally in love with the photo captioning entry on today's (Monday 1/29) Daily Sheet. I don't actually look at the DS very often, but the "He Said Yes" line caught my eye and I had to look. (More on that in a second!) Um, that picture/caption is just too funny for words. I was suddenly glad that my roommate wasn't in the room, because I started giggling hysterically and obnoxiously for a long time.  :P

Now, to address the big news of the day: CONGRATULATIONS NICK AND ROB!!!!!!!!! I've never really spoken too much to either of you, but your relationship is so inspiring, and you've been kind enough to take us along with you every step of the way. I could not be more happy to wish you all the best, walking through the world together. Congratulations again!

Saena
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: rick-in on January 29, 2007, 03:30:33 PM
Nick and Rob - I too, am impressed and touched by your letters in TDS. What really comes through loud and clear is your pure love for each other. Your messages were not sappy and over the top but full of respect and admiration for each other. Honest and heartfelt! They were great to read.

I am really happy for you two and also happy for the rest of us because you both were so kind to share your story. Best wishes, guys.

Rick

PS - re: photo, which is Nick and which is Rob - both very handsome!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rob in Puyallup on January 29, 2007, 05:49:53 PM
Nick and Rob - I too, am impressed and touched by your letters in TDS. What really comes through loud and clear is your pure love for each other. Your messages were not sappy and over the top but full of respect and admiration for each other. Honest and heartfelt! They were great to read.

I am really happy for you two and also happy for the rest of us because you both were so kind to share your story. Best wishes, guys.

Rick

PS - re: photo, which is Nick and which is Rob - both very handsome!

Thank you, Rick.  :-*

Nick's in the black shirt, I'm in the white... In my avatar, Nick's on your right, I'm on the left... and here:

(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f70/Robinpuyallup/P1100220.jpg)

Nick's on the right, (again!), and I'm on the left!  ;D

Rob

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Nick_F on January 30, 2007, 04:46:48 AM
 :(

Not that photo again, darling ---ugh!

I know you like it, but, well, ugh

what about this one where we both look good

(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e267/nickjadegreen/NickRob/BBQ001-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on January 30, 2007, 08:04:30 AM
Gnash, I loved that PhotoCap :)
Thank you!!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on January 30, 2007, 01:04:56 PM
Annie Proulx may list her 10 favorite books, but ours are BBM BBM BBM BBM BBM BBM BBM BBM BBM and...BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN !!

Seriously, there is a movement afoot over on the bettermost.net site to get Annie a NOBEL PRIZE IN LITERATURE.  Not easy.  Nominations need to come from academic and literary circles.   Might be useful to have a thread on our site to discuss the matter.

The prize is awarded annually to an author from any country who has, in the words of Alfred Nobel, produced "the most outstanding work of an idealistic tendency".  Folks like Toni Morrison (1993), Nadine Gordimer (1991), and Gunter Grass (1999) in recent years.

"Lynne" from bettermost.net has established a dedicated site on-line to discuss the issue: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nominate_annie/

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: TwistsBitch on February 02, 2007, 07:38:39 AM
Now TDS is always great but I really liked today's more than usual!  Great job team  :)

The info about the deleted scenes is very juicy. It's also good to know that other folks appreciate this kind of information & as just as infatuated with BBM, even after all this time.

The 700 000th post:  I thought it was a nice touch that it was about the reunion, one of the happiest & most enjoyable moments of the story.  Of course, I had to go check it out & then ended up getting absorbed in the Reunion thread for awhile  :D 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Cookie on February 02, 2007, 11:56:40 AM
I loved the deleted scenes info too.  I remember from yonks ago Ang talking about the scene at the end that was left out, the one the guy didn't want to disclose.  Thing is I really can't remember what was in the scene. >:(  I think it was the bit in the book when Jack's a boy and his Dad pees on him.  Ang thought that it was too jarring and didn't fit in with the way he'd filmed the rest of it.

But then again I could be wrong, my brain is not the most reliable thing at the moment!


Thanks for the great info! :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on February 02, 2007, 01:28:42 PM
Although the author indicates there may have been only two scenes filmed and left out, we know there's the hippie scene that was filmed, extended bar scene in the beginning, a scene with J&E in the truck before they go up to Brokeback etc.  So there's a lot more than just two!  There's also a lot of scenes in the screenplay drafts that were left out  and at least a percentage of those were probably filmed.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on February 02, 2007, 01:54:55 PM
I had to chuckle at Mr. Tremblay's refusal to name the second deleted scene.  He's apparently not aware how knowledgeable most BBM fans are (as Lyle's post demonstrates).
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on February 03, 2007, 08:12:33 AM
Thanks so much for today's quote from Molly Ivins. No one could skewer "Shrub" like she could. She and her wit will be missed terribly.

- KittyHawk
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on February 03, 2007, 09:20:10 AM
She was brilliant, wasn't she? It's a huge loss.  :(

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on February 03, 2007, 09:57:35 AM
Great profile of Ingmarnice!  Especially enjoyed reading about the initial effect of BBM.  Thanks for giving us Americans a chance.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: sfericsf on February 03, 2007, 10:56:28 AM
Quote
Brokeback Mountain collaborators Ang Lee and James Schamus will be partnering once again on another film for Focus Features. Schamus is rewriting a romantic comedy entitled A Little Game, that Lee will direct. The movie is an adaptation of a French play called A Little Game of Consequence. According to Variety, the movie, “centers on a happily engaged Brooklyn couple who decide to play an experiment on their friends; when a rumor goes around that they have broken up, they play along to find out what their pals really think of their coupling.”

I love it!  I love the idea!  It's perfect for Ang and James.  I can't wait.  ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 03, 2007, 01:30:22 PM
Great profile of Ingmarnice!   Especially enjoyed reading about the initial effect of BBM.  Thanks for giving us Americans a chance.

Wasn't it great?  I really enjoyed it!  ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ruby on February 04, 2007, 04:07:30 AM
I had to chuckle at Mr. Tremblay's refusal to name the second deleted scene.  He's apparently not aware how knowledgeable most BBM fans are (as Lyle's post demonstrates).

 :D. yeah, if they want to be secretive about scenes that were filmed but not used, maybe they shouldn't have put extracts from them in the trailer! There are even two characters that appear in the trailer that aren't in the film at all. 


Wonderful profile of Ingmarnicebbmt.   :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: cabin on February 04, 2007, 09:04:18 PM
Photocaps of the Day
Posted by trubrokeback


Gaydar and Nerdalert!

Brilliant Photocaps on the TDS trubrokeback.   I'm still laughing my ass off!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mary on February 04, 2007, 10:15:31 PM
Thanks so much for today's quote from Molly Ivins. No one could skewer "Shrub" like she could. She and her wit will be missed terribly. 

- KittyHawk

I second this - I will miss her a lot.  Her wit and intelligence made her writing a delight to read
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 05, 2007, 05:35:08 AM
Many thanks, tellyouwhat and Lola!   :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 05, 2007, 01:25:43 PM
Make Greenwich Village an historic district????

Like most new Yorkers, whether still living there or not, I always thought it WAS an historic district. In a town where people try to tear down and rebuild anything, nobody has touched the Village meaningfully in decades. Oh yes, formalise it, make it law, preserve NY's most vibrant area!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 05, 2007, 07:19:27 PM
.........I forgot to say that today's TDS was very very good--it ranks among the very best we have seen since TDS began.

Thanks for that!
Jack
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 06, 2007, 03:23:14 AM
Merci, Ruby!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: DeTina on February 06, 2007, 11:35:53 AM
 I loved today's also! It was great! Thanks for putting it together. I'm sure this takes a lot of work.
DeTina
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on February 06, 2007, 02:18:46 PM
Loved the sheet today, what am I saying, I love it everyday.
Thanks to all concerned for your generosity and talent. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on February 06, 2007, 02:22:27 PM
Thank you, guys!!  :D  :D

Your responses and encouragment are great to hear! Glad to know TDS is being enjoyed out there....  ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on February 06, 2007, 09:22:44 PM
Make Greenwich Village an historic district????

Like most new Yorkers, whether still living there or not, I always thought it WAS an historic district. In a town where people try to tear down and rebuild anything, nobody has touched the Village meaningfully in decades. Oh yes, formalise it, make it law, preserve NY's most vibrant area!

So much was lost in urban US neighborhoods in the name of "urban renewal" or "progress", especially in the 1960s and 1970s and there's still a lot of the 'tear down the historic theatre, we need a new McDonald's!" mentality. But historic preservation has come a long way, and by some miracle the tax credits that an official historic designation bring with them are still available, and the general pattern is that property values go up with historic district designation.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 06, 2007, 09:46:02 PM
Yeah i know. All you have to do is look at downtown Denver, as opposed to the LoDo area of downtown. Downtown is sterile and LoDo is jumpin, 7 nights a week.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 06, 2007, 11:02:40 PM
Elle, I just read TDS and am thrilled you highlighted the thread I made about roses. Thanks so much! It should do well with some exposure, there are a lot of good gardeners on DCF!

Even if you don't garden come look at the photographs-- there are a lot of unusual and old rose varieties highlighted!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on February 07, 2007, 07:43:53 AM
It'll be really interesting to see how that goes - the whole procreation thing is a major argument in the anti-gay marriage camp, and people point out in discussions all the time how untenable that is - plenty of people marry who either can't have children or don't want to - but this is the first time that I know of that someone has called that particular bluff in any serious way.

Hopefully, sooner or later someone will go too far and a Supreme Court decision will make all these state constitution DOMAs invalid. Much of the whining about the Supremes "overruling the will of the people" ignores the fact that Constitutional principles trump popular will. No state or municipality, for example, can vote to reinstate Jim Crow laws or rescind the rights of women to vote, no matter what the outcome of an election is. The issue of gay marriage is basically that of equal protection under the law and that initiative is facing that issue head-on.

Glad you enjoyed the issue!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on February 07, 2007, 09:15:15 AM
Monte, I'm not sure how the text of my reply replaced your post - but I'll find out what happened and see if we can restore it.  I apologize for the snafu.   ???
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: NWWaguy on February 07, 2007, 03:26:42 PM
Please note:  this initiative has made it to Fox News ... and covered evenly ... I don't know of any 'major' news orgs that have bothered so far ...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on February 07, 2007, 04:32:32 PM
Monte, I'm not sure how the text of my reply replaced your post - but I'll find out what happened and see if we can restore it.  I apologize for the snafu.   ???
I wouldn't worry too much about it, hardly world-shattering, cheers chris
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on February 07, 2007, 09:01:49 PM
It'll be really interesting to see how that goes - the whole procreation thing is a major argument in the anti-gay marriage camp, and people point out in discussions all the time how untenable that is - plenty of people marry who either can't have children or don't want to - but this is the first time that I know of that someone has called that particular bluff in any serious way.

Hopefully, sooner or later someone will go too far and a Supreme Court decision will make all these state constitution DOMAs invalid. Much of the whining about the Supremes "overruling the will of the people" ignores the fact that Constitutional principles trump popular will. No state or municipality, for example, can vote to reinstate Jim Crow laws or rescind the rights of women to vote, no matter what the outcome of an election is. The issue of gay marriage is basically that of equal protection under the law and that initiative is facing that issue head-on.

Glad you enjoyed the issue!

I have to admit I was confused to see British montezumae commenting in such detail about the American Supreme Court and Jim Crow laws.   :D :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on February 07, 2007, 11:38:02 PM
It'll be really interesting to see how that goes - the whole procreation thing is a major argument in the anti-gay marriage camp, and people point out in discussions all the time how untenable that is - plenty of people marry who either can't have children or don't want to - but this is the first time that I know of that someone has called that particular bluff in any serious way.

Hopefully, sooner or later someone will go too far and a Supreme Court decision will make all these state constitution DOMAs invalid. Much of the whining about the Supremes "overruling the will of the people" ignores the fact that Constitutional principles trump popular will. No state or municipality, for example, can vote to reinstate Jim Crow laws or rescind the rights of women to vote, no matter what the outcome of an election is. The issue of gay marriage is basically that of equal protection under the law and that initiative is facing that issue head-on.

Glad you enjoyed the issue!

I have to admit I was confused to see British montezumae commenting in such detail about the American Supreme Court and Jim Crow laws.   :D :D
Quite so. But you guys are educating me slowly in all things stateside, a long overdue development. :) :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 08, 2007, 04:46:14 AM
I wasn't---when I spent a year in the UK it was amazing to have British, australian, Irish people speak of the workings of, and the machinery of government in the US with such knowledge and detail. Most americans simply don't have this depth of knowledge about our own govt....which is why we are in the crappy position we are in, Ellen. But you know that, my oldest forum friend!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on February 08, 2007, 10:22:46 AM
I wasn't---when I spent a year in the UK it was amazing to have British, australian, Irish people speak of the workings of, and the machinery of government in the US with such knowledge and detail. Most americans simply don't have this depth of knowledge about our own govt....which is why we are in the crappy position we are in, Ellen. But you know that, my oldest forum friend!

 :P :P :P >:( >:( :(

Yep. :'( :'(
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rosewood on February 08, 2007, 12:47:37 PM
Somebody might want to take a look at the March PREMIERE magazine interview
of Mark Wahlberg in which he makes some very condescending, not to mention,
snarky, remarks about BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN.

Wouldn't hurt to post a little something on The Daily Sheet for the edification
of all.

I'm especially intrigued by the fact that Wahlberg says he was given an opportunity
to read a first draft of the script, or at least, pages from that treatment and was
ACTUALLY RELIEVED when Ang Lee didn't call him back. (For a second
interview, I presume.) Seems that BROKEBACK is 'not his thing'.

I posted some comments on the General Discussion Thread for anyone who's
interested.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on February 08, 2007, 12:55:31 PM
Somebody might want to take a look at the March PREMIERE magazine interview of Mark Wahlberg in which he makes some very condescending, not to mention, snarky, remarks about BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN.

Snarky Mark
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 08, 2007, 01:42:13 PM
Like I said in the other post, I am going to reserve judgement until I hear exactly what Mark said.   

Funny though I was just reading an article in Variety and it said:

The agents for Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal (both at CAA) took a substantial risk putting their actors into "Brokeback Mountain" but it paid off big time. Their challenge now is to re-establish both in more traditional macho roles, and the jury is still out on this objective.

I still thank alot of actors are afraid to be typecast!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on February 08, 2007, 02:17:39 PM
Thanks for the tip, Rosewood. We'll check it out.

<snip>

Funny though I was just reading an article in Variety and it said:

The agents for Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal (both at CAA) took a substantial risk putting their actors into "Brokeback Mountain" but it paid off big time. Their challenge now is to re-establish both in more traditional macho roles, and the jury is still out on this objective.

<snip>

And I don't get that statement from Variety. How were their roles in Brokeback not macho? And why do they need to be re-established in "traditional macho roles," whatever that means?  Don't we have enough actors to play those parts? Why can't H and J just play whatever parts their hearts desire, without worrying about fulfilling some mythical "macho" quota?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rob in Puyallup on February 08, 2007, 03:30:23 PM
Thanks for the tip, Rosewood. We'll check it out.

<snip>

Funny though I was just reading an article in Variety and it said:

The agents for Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal (both at CAA) took a substantial risk putting their actors into "Brokeback Mountain" but it paid off big time. Their challenge now is to re-establish both in more traditional macho roles, and the jury is still out on this objective.

<snip>

And I don't get that statement from Variety. How were their roles in Brokeback not macho? And why do they need to be re-established in "traditional macho roles," whatever that means?  Don't we have enough actors to play those parts? Why can't H and J just play whatever parts their hearts desire, without worrying about fulfilling some mythical "macho" quota?

Hear! Hear!!!

 :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 08, 2007, 05:44:18 PM
If it was not Mark Wahlberg's "Thing", then  it wasn't his thing. He had and has a right not to want to play a gay part. Period.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 08, 2007, 06:34:06 PM
If it was not Mark Wahlberg's "Thing", then  it wasn't his thing. He had and has a right not to want to play a gay part. Period.



I am glad to hear you say that.   My husband does not have a homophobic bone in his body, but if he were an actor he could not have done that part.   And if you can't do it and do it well, leave it to the people who can, like Heath and Jake.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rob in Puyallup on February 08, 2007, 07:44:27 PM
If it was not Mark Wahlberg's "Thing", then  it wasn't his thing. He had and has a right not to want to play a gay part. Period.



I am glad to hear you say that.   My husband does not have a homophobic bone in his body, but if he were an actor he could not have done that part.   And if you can't do it and do it well, leave it to the people who can, like Heath and Jake.

No one could've done better than them!!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on February 09, 2007, 07:15:07 AM
I guess Wahlberg playing a porn actor in 'Boogy Nights' was more up his alley.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 09, 2007, 02:12:57 PM
That's not the point. He has a right to NOT want to do gay scenes. a lot of non-homophobic males would flip kissing a guy, I don't blame them; they don't have to do it to prove anything at all, which sdeems to be the thrust of this argument. If you are gay and won't kiss a woman, good for you. AND IF YOU ARE STR8 AND WON'T KISS A GUY----WELL WHATS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER.
By the way he was good in Boogie Nights..
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 09, 2007, 02:17:10 PM
That's not the point. He has a right to NOT want to do gay scenes. a lot of non-homophobic males would flip kissing a guy, I don't blame them; they don't have to do it to prove anything at all, which sdeems to be the thrust of this argument. If you are gay and won't kiss a woman, good for you. AND IF YOU ARE STR8 AND WON'T KISS A GUY----WELL WHATS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER.
By the way he was good in Boogie Nights..

He certainly was, Boogie Nights was one of my favourites. I didn't expect to like it as much as I did.   And again, what can I say, I totally agree with you!  ;)

I am still waiting to hear what Mark said that was so bad!  :-\
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on February 09, 2007, 03:02:56 PM
That's not the point. He has a right to NOT want to do gay scenes. a lot of non-homophobic males would flip kissing a guy, I don't blame them; they don't have to do it to prove anything at all, which sdeems to be the thrust of this argument. If you are gay and won't kiss a woman, good for you. AND IF YOU ARE STR8 AND WON'T KISS A GUY----WELL WHATS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER.
By the way he was good in Boogie Nights..

I agree. You're right. But this is an ACTING role. It's not real life. Of course actors are free to choose the roles they're most comfortable with.
I'm still bemused that acting at kissing a man is any worse than acting at strangling him.
Why would strangling a man any easier to do? Is being paid millions to kiss a man on a set that difficult?
Seems to me that actors have been doing horrible and barbaric things on screen for ever.
IMO There is a twisted sense of morality here.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on February 09, 2007, 03:08:20 PM
That's not the point. He has a right to NOT want to do gay scenes. a lot of non-homophobic males would flip kissing a guy, I don't blame them; they don't have to do it to prove anything at all, which sdeems to be the thrust of this argument. If you are gay and won't kiss a woman, good for you. AND IF YOU ARE STR8 AND WON'T KISS A GUY----WELL WHATS GOOD FOR THE GOOSE IS GOOD FOR THE GANDER.
By the way he was good in Boogie Nights..

I think the problem comes in that we are talking about actors here Jack.  We aren't talking about Mark Wahlberg kissing a guy - we are talking about a character that Mark Wahlberg plays not kissing a guy.  I think it's an important distinction.  Actors are called upon to do things that they would not or could not do all the time.  And just like Bill Nighy couldn't really grow tentacles on his chin and I don't think Anthony Hopkins would eat someone's brain I would think that it would be reasonable to think that actors can stretch themselves to play gay roles - and gay actors stretch themselves to play straight roles.  Richard Burton, Rex Harrison, Shirley MacLaine, Coral Browne, Dirk Bogarde and Kevin Kline were all able to play gay - and of course Rock Hudson played straight for years. 

Mark has played a killer (in 'The Big Hit'), and a thief (in 'The Italian Job') as well as a rock star and a porn star - and he's done a great job at most of these (plus being great in 'Three Kings').  What would be surprising to me about comments of this sort from Mark (I haven't read them yet, so I don't know what I think) is that I think that he is an actor with a large enough range that he could play pretty much whatever he wants.  I would be a bit surprised if he finds himself able to stretch as an actor to play a thief and killer, but could not kiss a man.  As you say, he should be able to do whatever he wants.  But what it would prove to me is that he does not have the range as an actor that I thought he did.  And that would disappoint me.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 09, 2007, 03:16:06 PM
But they did more than kiss, they showed real passion toward each other.  I am not sure if every straight actor could do that.   And maybe he didn't feel he could convey that, so maybe that was why he was relieved not to get a call back.   

Tom Hanks said he felt very uncomfortable doing the kiss he did in Philadelphia.  Antonio was much more comfortable with it and had to basically talk Tom into it.  And that wasn't much of a kiss.

I don't think it means Tom Hanks is not much of an actor.  Surely we can agree on that.   :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on February 09, 2007, 03:18:43 PM
But they did more than kiss, they showed real passion toward each other.  I am not sure if every straight actor could do that.   And maybe he didn't feel he could convey that, so maybe that was why he was relieved not to get a call back.   

Tom Hanks said he felt very uncomfortable doing the kiss he did in Philadelphia.  Antonio was much more comfortable with it and had to basically talk Tom into it.  And that wasn't much of a kiss.

I don't think it means Tom Hanks is not much of an actor.  Surely we can agree on that.   :)


Well...we certainly can agree that Tom Hanks did it, even though he felt uncomfortable doing it.  And yes, that, to me, speaks to his being a good actor.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 09, 2007, 03:25:15 PM

Well...we certainly can agree that Tom Hanks did it, even though he felt uncomfortable doing it.  And yes, that, to me, speaks to his being a good actor.

That one kiss (in the hospital) in Philadelphia can not compare to the passion showed in BB.  I doubt Tom Hanks could have or would have pulled off BB (especially as he was so uptight about one small kiss).  Not every actor could.   I think the fact that Jake and Heath did is wonderful.  But no, I don't think every straight actor could or would.   Mark just seems to be admitting it, I guess we would have to poll them all to find out where they stand.  We may be suprised.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on February 09, 2007, 03:33:33 PM
But no, I don't think every straight actor could or would.   

Likewise I don't think every actor, regardless of orientation, could pull off the job Jackie Earle Haley did in 'Little Children' or play the creepy role that Philip Seymour Hoffman plays in Happiness - just good ones.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 09, 2007, 03:39:11 PM
But no, I don't think every straight actor could or would.   

Likewise I don't think every actor, regardless of orientation, could pull off the job Jackie Earle Haley did in 'Little Children' or play the creepy role that Philip Seymour Hoffman plays in Happiness - just good ones.

I actually haven't seen either of those movies.  But I do think people/actors have ranges.  Could anyone have played Michael in the Godfather, I don't think so?  Could anyone have played Hanibal Lector, I don't think so?

And could anyone have played Ennis Del Mar or Jack Twist, no I don't think so?  Some parts take more than just being a good actor.

Anyway I like Mark and I would just like to give him the benifit of the doubt.  Hey maybe he would say "you know what I am not a good enough actor to pull that off convincingly"
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on February 09, 2007, 04:07:03 PM
Anyway I like Mark and I would just like to give him the benifit of the doubt.  Hey maybe he would say "you know what I am not a good enough actor to pull that off convincingly"

If he had said that, fine.  But he didn't.  It's always about the gay roles that actors comment on things like that.  Have you ever heard an actor say they would turn down a role like Raging Bull cause it was too violent, or glad they didn't get a call back for The Godfather for the same reasons? Or playing a porn actor cause it's against their morals.  Ridiculous!  It's always the gay roles that get mentioned in this context.  That's why bells go off to gay men when they hear statements like Wahlberg's.  Those two roles in BBM were great parts for ACTORS and any actor shoulda been thrilled to have been up for them or even asked to read for the parts.  No actor is gonna admit being relieved they didn't get a callback for some part unless they had a problem with it.  Mark obviously had a problem with it as we know a lot of straight men do, and it's called homophobia.

As for articles about Tom Hanks being uncomfortable kissing in Philadelphia...why isn't anyone ever uncomfortable slaughtering people in films?  No one asks actors those questions.  Dennis Quaid was probably not nominated for his role in Far from Heaven, because when he kept getting asked about playing a gay man and doing kissing scenes his reply was "If you are human and have a capacity to love, it's as easy as playing a straight role."  Award voters like their actors who play gay men to be tortured about it and find it HARD to play those roles.  Heaven forbid it should be as easy as Dennis said.  If he had goner around being tortured about it and saying how difficult or uncomfortable it was, he'd probably have gotten a nomination.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 09, 2007, 04:16:48 PM
Well first of all, I am scared to respond to you Lyle!!! lol

But yes many actors do turn down parts because they are violent, or because they don't feel comfortable with the subject matter.  I can't tell you how many actors I have read saying, they want to do movies their kids can see.  This seems to be more of a concern when they become Parents.  They start to go for PG family oriented films.  So yes the choice is theirs to make.

And no I don't believe being "uncomfortable" about something translates to homophobia. I don't believe that for one minute.

I have already said, my husband does not have a homophobic bone in his body.  He probably could not have done those love scenes in BB with another man.

IF you think that makes a person homophobic fine, I do not agree. 

And it wasn't long ago everyone was on Dennis Quaids back for jokes he had made about Brokeback!   By the way Dennis Quaid is another actor that I have alot of admiration for.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on February 09, 2007, 04:17:51 PM
Funny though I was just reading an article in Variety and it said:
The agents for Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal (both at CAA) took a substantial risk putting their actors into "Brokeback Mountain" but it paid off big time. Their challenge now is to re-establish both in more traditional macho roles, and the jury is still out on this objective.
I still thank alot of actors are afraid to be typecast!

Lola, what was the context of this article?  On its own, it can also be construed as homophobia on the part of their agents.  Many actors play similar roles if the parts are good--anyone hear of SEQUELS?--DeNiro has, Nicholson has, Kevin Costner almost didn't do Field of Dreams cause he had just played a baseball player in Bull Durham, but the part was good.  Agents are more homophobic than many of their clients.  Even GAY agents.  Especially even gay agents.  Agents have got to get over this mentality.  What if Heath or Jake were offered parts in Take Me Out or The Dreyfus Affair or The Front Runner?  Should they turn them down cause they're gay?  And are agents saying baseball players are not traditionally macho?  Or just gay baseball players?  Anyway, I was wondering what context that paragraph you quoted came from?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 09, 2007, 04:29:29 PM
I will go back and find it for you Lyle!  ;)

And yes people do get typecast, just ask Henry Winkler.

To a large extent Robert DeNiro has been typecasted with his career.   Agents want to make money, if the client makes money they make money.  And to make money the actor has to get parts, lots of different parts, making big bucks!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 09, 2007, 07:01:42 PM
I think one thing is forgotten---he's a boston Boy, a Southie. No matter how they change there is no way a Southie who is str8 can kiss another guy. Even in film. It's conditioning.

I have a totally un-homophobic brother and he has danced with a guy, but there is no way in hell he could ever kiss one. As in no way. Again, conditioning. There are some things you can't get over, no matter how unhomophobic you are. Mark is a very balanced, and yes, open and tolerant guy and he fought to become that way. He was a Boston street kid. So if he can't kiss in a role, so what? His buds would have busted his chops forever lol.


Me i'd rather jump off a cliff then have to kiss Paris Hilton, but that's just personal taste.


roflmao
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on February 09, 2007, 07:43:35 PM
Well yeah, there is that southie thing.  But they would probably kiss the Pope in a movie, right?  Or at least his ring.

So...the reason Matt Damon was able to play gay in 'The Talented Mr. Ripley' is because he was born across the river in Cambridge?  I'm very confused by this geographic specificity.  I think this may be something for Sacha Baron Cohen to take on in his Brüno movie.

I have to say that I'm a little surprised that Mark would say this (which makes me want to read the article to see exactly what he does say) as he had this to say about his gay uncle last year:

http://www.keithboykin.com/arch/2006/04/24/marky_mark_wahl_1

But for me this is really a question of acting ability vs. any internalized homophobia.  That's why talking about our relatives or friends in this context seems somewhat besides the fact here - supposedly (hopefully) actors have training to bring out their natural ability to take on a role, regardless of the role.  That's why people like Jackie Earle Haley are able to play a pedophile, Philip Seymour Hoffman can play someone who engages in telephone scatalogia and Terence Stamp can play a transgender performer and yet not be involved in that in their personal lives - they know how to act.

Oddly, I don't think I've heard similar things from women regarding roles like Charlize Theron's performance in 'Monster', Gina Gershon's role in 'Bound' or (switching to transgender issues for a moment) Hilary Swank's role in 'Boys Don't Cry.' 

As for Paris Hilton - well, I think that would best be left for an 'X-files/kissing aliens' discussion.

I think one thing is forgotten---he's a boston Boy, a Southie. No matter how they change there is no way a Southie who is str8 can kiss another guy. Even in film. It's conditioning.

I have a totally un-homophobic brother and he has danced with a guy, but there is no way in hell he could ever kiss one. As in no way. Again, conditioning. There are some things you can't get over, no matter how unhomophobic you are. Mark is a very balanced, and yes, open and tolerant guy and he fought to become that way. He was a Boston street kid. So if he can't kiss in a role, so what? His buds would have busted his chops forever lol.


Me i'd rather jump off a cliff then have to kiss Paris Hilton, but that's just personal taste.


roflmao
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rob in Puyallup on February 09, 2007, 08:28:43 PM
http://www.covenantnetwork.org/sermon%26papers/jenkins.htm

The above link might pertain somewhat to Friday's TDS...

Might...

:)

(I'm certainly not of the religious sort... but I came across the article a couple moments ago...)

Rob
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 09, 2007, 08:46:45 PM
Well there is a truly huge difference between South Boston and Cambridge, in class, attitudes,  behaviour, damned near everything. It's as huge if not bigger then say, Midtown Manhattan and the South Bronx. that's why i pointed out his origins. Matt Damon over the river wasn't habitualy arrested, Mark Wahlberg in S.B. was.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 09, 2007, 08:48:22 PM
So...the reason Matt Damon was able to play gay in 'The Talented Mr. Ripley' is because he was born across the river in Cambridge?  I'm very confused by this geographic specificity.  I think this may be something for Sacha Baron Cohen to take on in his Brüno movie.

Again a movie with no real sexual contact.  I loved Talented Mr. Ripley and he appeared to be in love with Jude Laws character, but NOTHING happend between them.

One quick kiss in In and Out.  One quick kiss in Far from Heaven.  Not the same as BB mountain.  The kisses were passionate, the love scenes were intense.  I mean this was the first main stream movie of it's kind.

That is why we have this website dedicated to it!!

Brokeback you and I are on the same page!!!   ;D


I guess we are never going to find out exactly what Mark said, unless we go get the article.  Which I plan to do.  But if all he said was...................after reading the script he was kind of relieved he didn't get a call back.........then to me he was just being honest and in no way does that translate to being homophobic.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 09, 2007, 09:08:21 PM
On another  topic the DS should --lol-- cover next weeks approaching Paris Hilton Scandal. Some dimwit decided to have her open the Operaball. All Vienna is agog at such poor taste. Will she wear clothes?? Will she bring that overbred mutt?? Will she show any knowledge of, umm, ANYthing, period??

Truly it is the scandal of the Viennese year and TDS would entertain us all by covering Paris  behaviour in Europe's most conservative and traditional ex-imperial capital!!! Apparently it is the sole topic of conversation, from the cafes of  the InnerCity to the far reaches of that awful district, Transdanubia.

A bona-fide whore opening the Operaball, God save us all!!!!!! Any coverage of the proposed protests at her appearance  are welcome!

We even have a DCF correspondent on the ground there to give reports!

LOL LOL

God i loathe that ho!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: chapeaugris on February 10, 2007, 07:09:07 AM
It's nice to see TDS running profiles of Europeans lately.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 10, 2007, 07:12:51 AM
On another  topic the DS should --lol-- cover next weeks approaching Paris Hilton Scandal. Some dimwit decided to have her open the Operaball. All Vienna is agog at such poor taste. Will she wear clothes?? Will she bring that overbred mutt?? Will she show any knowledge of, umm, ANYthing, period??

I hope she remembers to wear underwear! lol
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on February 10, 2007, 03:45:22 PM
Quote
Wahlberg says,  “Come to think of it, I didn’t see Brokeback Mountain. I missed it!”

“You know, I met with Ang Lee on that movie,” he says. “I read 15 pages of the script and got a little creeped out. It was very graphic, descriptive – the spitting on the hand, getting’ ready to do the thing…”  He smiles self consciously. “At one point they were talking about Joaquin [Phoenix] being in the film. Joaquin, I know, and [we] like each other a lot. I think of him like a brother. You know, I’ve kissed my brother before, not like that, not passionate, you know. So, it was like, uh, I was kind of freaked out. But I told Ang, ‘I like you, you’re a talented guy, if you want to talk about it more…’ But, uh, [chuckles] thankfully, he didn’t, uh, he didn’t call me again.  “But I should see it. My mother loves that movie. She loves it.”
 
Wahlberg shakes his head, smiling. “He [his make-up man] brought the movie to the trailer while me and all the guys were shooting Invincible. All football guys, macho shit through the roof. So he comes in [high sing song voice], ‘It’s movie day! You guys gotta’ watch this movie!’ After five or six minutes, most of the trailer is empty.”
 
Bottom line: “I didn’t rush to see Brokeback, it’s just not my deal. And I know how talented Ang Lee is. Obviously, it was done in taste – look how it was received. And it’s a beautiful thing. It’s just not necessarily my thing.”  On the other hand, “I don’t know how many times I saw Gina Gershon and Jennifer Tilly in Bound – loved it.”

Discomfort with this subject by straight men is homophobia.  The discomfort is caused by fear.  I don't suppose pedophilia is Mark's thing, either, but I bet he'd have no problem watching Little Children.  Murder isn't his thing, either, I suppose, but he must have seen The Departed.  Suppose Mark gets invited to be an academy member.  I assume he wouldn't have seen BBM last year to vote on it.

He has to emphasize that all the guys in the trailer were super macho, as though gay men can't be that way.  He deliberately mimics his make-up man in "a sing-song voice" to emphasize he is not.

I had no problem watching BOUND more than once, it's a great movie, I'm not phobic about watching two women together.  But Mark states that he IS worried about it.  Many straight men are.  That is homophobia.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 11, 2007, 07:40:51 AM
As for articles about Tom Hanks being uncomfortable kissing in Philadelphia...why isn't anyone ever uncomfortable slaughtering people in films?  No one asks actors those questions.  Dennis Quaid was probably not nominated for his role in Far from Heaven, because when he kept getting asked about playing a gay man and doing kissing scenes his reply was "If you are human and have a capacity to love, it's as easy as playing a straight role."  Award voters like their actors who play gay men to be tortured about it and find it HARD to play those roles.  Heaven forbid it should be as easy as Dennis said.  If he had gone around being tortured about it and saying how difficult or uncomfortable it was, he'd probably have gotten a nomination.

I second that.

Very good thoughts and observations, Lyle!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 11, 2007, 09:40:58 AM
I actually felt more unfomfortable watching Bound than I did Brokeback, wonder what that says about me?   :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CANSTANDIT on February 11, 2007, 11:03:03 AM
I just had to say something about the Mark Wahlberg, formerely kown as Marky Mark, let us not forget, interview in Premiere-Jesus, don't people's publicists go over this stuff with them?? I cannot believe how bad looks, IMO, in that article. His personality never did appeal much to me, even as I liked his acting in 1 or 2 things. Now I know what some of that was.....His hphobia is fairly blatant here, and in these days, an 'actor' better be much more aware and willing if they are to  be part of art reflecting life.
In other words, grow up; get over your macho rap beginnings.
Sorrry if that sounded harsh....

No I'm not.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rosewood on February 11, 2007, 01:36:03 PM
What runs rampant throughout this section of the interview and that
I found so offensive is Wahlberg's condescension.
His attitude of 'noblesse oblige'. I mean, who IS this guy?

Did he ACTUALLY tell Ang Lee, "I like you...You're a talented guy..."
(IF, indeed, this is the way it went down. Memories are faulty, after all...)
I'm thinking that Lee wouldn't be human if he weren't offended on some level and
on another level probably dismissed Wahlberg for the young fool that he is. Still, I suppose
that wouldn't have stopped him working with MW if he thought he could get
a decent performance out of him for BBM. The work comes first, after all.

I'm also thinking that Wahlberg speaks mighty fine for a guy who DIDN'T get
a call back from one of the world's greatest directors who then went on to
make what most critics and audiences think is a classic work of art. A film for
the ages. As opposed to, say, Planet of the Apes or Boogie Nights.

And yes, I agree that personal distaste didn't prevent Wahlberg from playing
a killer or a porn star or whatever.

Everything is on the table, it seems, except the idea that someone, somewhere
might think that BBM is 'his deal' or God forbid, 'his thing.'

AND it amazes me that, as an actor, he hasn't found the time or the inclination
to see BBM even in the privacy of his own home in a sealed room with no one
watching. I mean, he could even cloak the windows if he were afraid someone
might wander by and happen to glance in.

Isn't acting all about constantly learning and challenging yourself?
It is so NOT a static art. But then, what is?
You'd think that as an 'artist' he'd want to see two or three of the finest
performances ever put on film. Professional curiosity, if nothing else.

But no, he's afraid he might get 'creeped' out.
He's afraid what 'others' might say or think of him.
Talk about testosterone-challenged.

I'm so happy that his mother liked the film. I truly am.
But what has that to do with anything?
He's telling us something here, but damned if I can figure out exactly
what it is.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 11, 2007, 02:23:28 PM
Mark is about 35 years old, a bit old for the part anyway.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000242/bio

He is an interesting guy.  And as you and I said in PM, he has a son now, so if he is homophobic in anyway, he better watch.  It may come back to bite him in the ass one day.

Planet of the Apes bombed, but he has done alot of good movies and he is up for an academy award for The Departed.   I loved Boogie Nights and he was great in Invinsible.

Reflecting on his delight for starring in Disney's "Invincible" (2006): "It's a movie my kids can see - my nieces and nephews. I haven't had that. None of my nieces and nephews have seen Boogie Nights, thank God! I haven't made too many PG movies
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: rnmina on February 11, 2007, 02:54:37 PM
Lordy,

I  all ways  pay attention my gut because  it's so damned honest about my feelings. My gut tells me Mark is homophobic, condescending,  patronizing, and JEALOUS of both Jake and Heath. They are both almost 10 years his junior, both now members of the Academy,  and both actors  gained  unparalleled worldwide recognition as brilliant gifted  YOUNG actors by  starring in Brokeback Moiuntain. 
Where was Mark's publicist is my only question.
sass

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 11, 2007, 04:33:00 PM
I'm of 2 minds here. Part of me accepts the feeling that macho jocks will walk watching BBM when they came for a football game, while feeling frustrated by it. Part of me is just as annoyed by gay heterophobia as it is by straight homophobia. I dislike both, having been the target of both.

And all the it-shouldn't- be-this-way whining on earth won't change either of those facts.
Only time will.
Until it does make the best of it without bitterness, because that will kill you just as surely, albeit more slowly, then a tire iron will.

On the other hand MW's comment about Ang Lee is hilarious. I mean WTF, he was in that potboiler Three Kings.
Maybe AL wanted him to play Munroe, he certainly wasn't either Ennis or Jack--too old.
LOL
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 11, 2007, 05:04:32 PM
Maybe he wanted him to play Aguirre!  :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 11, 2007, 05:16:19 PM
Now there's a thought! An awful one, but a thought.

{Speaking of whom, some of us on the Film threads have decided that the tel call in Aguirre's office, considering the time and day, WAS/MAY have been from Jack's partner of the year before and Aguirre--notice his little glance upwards, towards JT-- KNEW they'd shagged  more then the sheep that summer...when JT was 18.....}

What I do know is that I can't watch BBM too much, last night I saw it from Focus logo to credits for the first  viewing in a long time and it destroyed me.

Maybe Mark should see it...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 11, 2007, 05:26:35 PM
Now there's a thought! An awful one, but a thought.

{Speaking of whom, some of us on the Film threads have decided that the tel call in Aguirre's office, considering the time and day, WAS/MAY have been from Jack's partner of the year before and Aguirre--notice his little glance upwards, towards JT-- KNEW they'd shagged  more then the sheep that summer...when JT was 18.....}

What I do know is that I can't watch BBM too much, last night I saw it from Focus logo to credits for the first  viewing in a long time and it destroyed me.

Maybe Mark should see it...

Well Jack had been with men before, we know that for sure.   I am sorry you had such a hard time watching it, it really is a beautiful film.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on February 11, 2007, 09:04:57 PM
Now there's a thought! An awful one, but a thought.

{Speaking of whom, some of us on the Film threads have decided that the tel call in Aguirre's office, considering the time and day, WAS/MAY have been from Jack's partner of the year before and Aguirre--notice his little glance upwards, towards JT-- KNEW they'd shagged  more then the sheep that summer...when JT was 18.....}What I do know is that I can't watch BBM too much, last night I saw it from Focus logo to credits for the first  viewing in a long time and it destroyed me.

Maybe Mark should see it...

OMG, OMG, that idea was a photocap first!

Jack, I respect your opinion -- this was a fave photocap of mine, cause I always thought that phone call was so bizarre.

But, it truly amazes me to find out that a group has figured this is part of the canon!  Unless -- oh of course, you are kidding!!! ;D Joke's on me.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: desperadum on February 11, 2007, 09:12:31 PM
The discussion here is lurching far away from responding to The Daily Sheet, but, quite frankly, we get so few posts here, I'm not going to grouch about it.

Regarding Mark Wahlberg, havng not read the Premiere interview, I can't comment on it. I have followed his career from the beginning - it was hard not to, living in New York back in the late 80s or whenever it was that one could stand in Times Square and see him in all his magnificence as an underwear model, standing high above Broadway as a billboard Colossus in tighty-whiteys on behalf of Calvin Klein. I must say, starting out in that capacity, he has made an impressive career, going from model to rap performer to actor and producer. I thought his performance in The Departed was top notch.

Having said that, I do recall back in his immediate post-Calvin Klein days, after he started the rap thing, he was quoted as making anti-gay slurs, which he subsequently retracted or apologized for or something. He, or perhaps his handlers, realized that as Marky Mark with the buldging crotch in those ubiquitous ads, he had quite a significant gay following. In this interview did he really say he was creeped out at the thought of BBM and couldn't even watch it? If true, this is something to keep in mind as we reflect upon where we were one year ago, anticipating a Best Picture Aacademy Award for Brokeback Mountain.  If contemporary Hollywood figures of his stature (I'm not talking about Tony Curtis and Ernest Borgnine, who I can cut some slack for being of another generation and out of touch) make such statements, its a wonder our movie won as many Oscars as it did.

He can decline to play any role he wants - since Ang Lee was involved with the project much earlier, its quite possible he might have talked to Wahlberg - but if he made such comments as described above, it says a lot about who he really is, and it's not a pretty picture.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 11, 2007, 09:14:06 PM
nope.

Talk with Joanne and Marion. They had pages on it but right now  I'm unsure of which Film thread.

The moment I heard this it was ...umm no. Then I had to look at Jack, his behaviour, and what I know of 19 year old boys who like boys. And then it was, umm, yeah, this fits. Everything about it fits.  So I tend to believe it, because much falls into place if that interpretation is given to that phone call.

sorry des. sometimes OT is sort of compulsive.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on February 12, 2007, 07:51:47 AM
Now wouldn't it be great if Larry Miller did a special srceening of BBM?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on February 12, 2007, 08:57:10 AM
hopes Miller's new open-mindedness will make him a "bellwether for LDS culture."

 :D    What a great image!   A bellwether is a castrated goat wearing a bell.   ;) :)

(http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:yvD05cclmnRgRM:http://static.flickr.com/42/104346633_93dd00b803_m.jpg)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on February 12, 2007, 09:32:49 AM
some of us on the Film threads have decided that the tel call in Aguirre's office, considering the time and day, WAS/MAY have been from Jack's partner of the year before and Aguirre--notice his little glance upwards, towards JT-- KNEW they'd shagged  more then the sheep that summer...when JT was 18

Well, for one thing, I guess I hope you don't mean a few have decided, and I hope it is not presented this way in the film threads, because while it may make sense to a few people, it is a pretty far reach-- we have no way of knowing what that phone call is about, there is nothing to suggest it is about Jack, and it is not in the story.

As a photocap I love it, but -- it is just a bit of business, recently discussed in the "dislikes about Brokeback thread--" (http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=9070.msg703129#msg703129)[/b] the best reason for that phone call was given by Lance, who thought it was to demonstrate Aquirre's sour personality, and also to provide a shot long enough to highlight the binoculars in the background--and to give Ennis and Jack a chance to look at each other, secretly, so they thought.  Because this phone call is only in the movie, I would say that these cinematic motives are probably the only reason for the phone call.  It is not in the story and IMO does not have anything to do with Jack, who is nothing more than a deuce goin' nowhere at that point.

Sorry I won't comment on this anymore in this thread, and probably no where else since I expect others have already reacted with similar incredulity in other threads.

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sorry des. sometimes OT is sort of compulsive.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on February 12, 2007, 11:46:49 AM
I'm of 2 minds here. Part of me accepts the feeling that macho jocks will walk watching BBM when they came for a football game, while feeling frustrated by it. Part of me is just as annoyed by gay heterophobia as it is by straight homophobia. I dislike both, having been the target of both.

The article does not say the guys were in the trailer to watch a football game.  Mark just states that all of them in the trailer were football guys.

You know...NOT gay.  Cause gays can't be football guys.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 12, 2007, 02:42:11 PM
well, my impression is that they were there to watch football, which is what I got out of it.

In any case i no longer care. If Mark wants to be silly, then let him be silly.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Janie-G on February 13, 2007, 09:30:56 AM
Friends this message is a long time overdue.I want to thank all you people who have contacted me to say how much you,ve enjoyed the paintings and drawings run in TDS.The one of Jack and the lamb seemed to strike a particular chord,maybe because that special quality of Jack's gentle tenderness crept in there.Or perhaps you were all so jealous of the sheep! ;) So thanks a lot,your opinions and feedback are greatly appreciated.
Janie.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: HerrKaiser on February 13, 2007, 12:46:18 PM
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Discomfort with this subject by straight men is homophobia.  The discomfort is caused by fear. 


In my opinion, this is not the case, in general. To suggest that a person who is uncomfortable with something has some sort of abnormalsy is, ironically, the same "problem" that is being suggested MW has. By your definition, discomfort is a no no which is absurd. One need need not be comfortable wtih any particular subject, issue, experience, etc, to be perfectly capable and accepting and tolerant of others who choose to be more comfortable or more interested. to suggest there ought not be any personal likes, dislikes, 'comfort zones' etc is to suggest that everyone should be the same. Not sure this would be a good idea. I think MW's comments were honest, interesting, and totally acceptable.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on February 13, 2007, 09:06:33 PM
Thanks for such a nice TDS today about Jake on the red carpet.  How exciting for our lashers who saw him.  The story was nicely edited and the pics devine.

And we continue to hope Jake is going to make it through his twenties as the wonderful balanced guy he has shown himself to be so far!  xxoo
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 13, 2007, 10:17:46 PM
I second that, it was a nice article to read. What got me was jake's detached professionalism, he's a star, he knows how to behave. He's private, didn't make eye contact yet was the perferct polished man to his fans, even to the point of bringing a pen to sign autographs.

Professional with class; I have a feeling this guy will stay a star for a long time.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on February 14, 2007, 12:20:25 PM
Discomfort with this subject by straight men is homophobia.  The discomfort is caused by fear.

In my opinion, this is not the case, in general. To suggest that a person who is uncomfortable with something has some sort of abnormalsy is, ironically, the same "problem" that is being suggested MW has. By your definition, discomfort is a no no which is absurd. One need need not be comfortable wtih any particular subject, issue, experience, etc, to be perfectly capable and accepting and tolerant of others who choose to be more comfortable or more interested. to suggest there ought not be any personal likes, dislikes, 'comfort zones' etc is to suggest that everyone should be the same. Not sure this would be a good idea. I think MW's comments were honest, interesting, and totally acceptable.

Some people have a fear of heights, acrophobia.  So they are  uncomfortable in tall buildings, bridges, etc.  It does not mean they don't have to negotiate being in tall buildings or bridges at some times.  It doesn't mean they "hate" tall buildings or bridges.  People who have phobias don't necessarily hate the thing they have a phobia about, although because it's fear based, which includes discomfort, it can lead to hateful acts sometimes.

Most people will admit a phobia they have.  People do not, however, like to admit they might be homophobic because that is a phobia that involves other humans and no one really wants to think of themselves in that way .  It's an idea that never occurred to me before a few months ago when it was introduced in an article--that homophobia may not always indicate hate.  Fear does not equal hate.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 14, 2007, 12:29:10 PM
Thanks for such a nice TDS today about Jake on the red carpet.  How exciting for our lashers who saw him.  The story was nicely edited and the pics devine.

And we continue to hope Jake is going to make it through his twenties as the wonderful balanced guy he has shown himself to be so far!  xxoo

I hope so too, these are formative years as far as his career and life goes.  I hope he keeps his head screwed on right.  I think his sister, parents etc.  are a big influence on him.  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: TwistsBitch on February 14, 2007, 01:15:55 PM
TDS was perfect for Valentine's Day, it felt romantic even for a web-based thingy!  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: HerrKaiser on February 14, 2007, 01:31:18 PM
Discomfort with this subject by straight men is homophobia.  The discomfort is caused by fear.

In my opinion, this is not the case, in general. To suggest that a person who is uncomfortable with something has some sort of abnormalsy is, ironically, the same "problem" that is being suggested MW has. By your definition, discomfort is a no no which is absurd. One need need not be comfortable wtih any particular subject, issue, experience, etc, to be perfectly capable and accepting and tolerant of others who choose to be more comfortable or more interested. to suggest there ought not be any personal likes, dislikes, 'comfort zones' etc is to suggest that everyone should be the same. Not sure this would be a good idea. I think MW's comments were honest, interesting, and totally acceptable.

Some people have a fear of heights, acrophobia.  So they are  uncomfortable in tall buildings, bridges, etc.  It does not mean they don't have to negotiate being in tall buildings or bridges at some times.  It doesn't mean they "hate" tall buildings or bridges.  People who have phobias don't necessarily hate the thing they have a phobia about, although because it's fear based, which includes discomfort, it can lead to hateful acts sometimes.

Most people will admit a phobia they have.  People do not, however, like to admit they might be homophobic because that is a phobia that involves other humans and no one really wants to think of themselves in that way .  It's an idea that never occurred to me before a few months ago when it was introduced in an article--that homophobia may not always indicate hate.  Fear does not equal hate.



I am confuse your point, although trying very hard to figure it out. It appears you are suggesting there is a parallel between MW's "discomfort" with acting out a gay love scene (and extrapilating this to the general population of straight people who may be uncomfortable with this as well) with fear of heights, and that somehow fear leads to hateful acts.

I think you are very much overlooking the fact that people have likes and dislikes that have nothing to do with fear, acts of hate, or hate. the word 'homophobia' was invented, I think erroneously, to label people who may not endorse certain aspects of gay life; again, it may have nothing to do with 'fear'. There is nothing wrong with gravitating toward things one likes and not gravitatitng toward things one does not like.

One can respect and support something without participating or being comfortable in its arena. What I am sensing you are looking for is not acceptance by others, rather that they convert somehow to your own reality.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: desperadum on February 14, 2007, 01:55:53 PM
Hey all - The off-topic lurching has been brought to my attention by others, who have asked that this thread remain devoted to responding to The Daily Sheet. So please continue disucssions of homophobia, etc., in the appropriate threads in The Gay Experience, ok? Many thanks for your cooperation.

And, yes, Red Carpet Jake was mighty fine.

Des
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rob in Puyallup on February 14, 2007, 02:27:37 PM
Hey all - The off-topic lurching has been brought to my attention by others, who have asked that this thread remain devoted to responding to The Daily Sheet. So please continue disucssions of homophobia, etc., in the appropriate threads in The Gay Experience, ok? Many thanks for your cooperation.

And, yes, Red Carpet Jake was mighty fine.

Des

Hey Des...

LONG time!

One more post and ya hit 1000!

About time, eh?

Loved today's Daily Sheet!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on February 14, 2007, 03:42:52 PM
Hey all - The off-topic lurching has been brought to my attention by others, who have asked that this thread remain devoted to responding to The Daily Sheet.   Des

Okay, Des, but this article was a feature on TDS, so people were responding to it here. 

HerrKaiser and others interested, my response
and this discussion continues if you Click HERE (http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=1433.msg739199#msg739199)!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 15, 2007, 02:27:52 AM

The Valentine TDS was simply great!!!

And so was the reportage on the Lasher Angels at the BAFTA Red Carpet headquarter...

Both texts fun to read and nicely compiled!

I downloaded them for further enjoyment.  ;)

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on February 15, 2007, 07:03:56 AM
OMG That translation from the play is a riot!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: elle_ann on February 15, 2007, 09:15:50 AM
The computer generated translation of the Dutch blurb re BBM play:

“Jacket and Ennis guard sheep in a paradise, the savage Wyoming. And exactly as onherbergzaam, infinitely harsh and tenderly as the landscape, is love. Brokeback Mountain are non-conventional, breathing and ongetemd tale concerning two cowboys in wild the west. Simple hardwerkende men who deserve bread with their hands their daily. They find love where them that lowest expecting. A love which a life lasts long. But what is lifelong in a world in which men talk a little and violence to everything can make an end?"

One of our Dutch forum members, drifting_elfie, provided us with the following:

"Jack and Ennis are herding sheep in a paradise that is rugged Wyoming. And just as impenetrable, endlessly rough and tender as the landscape, is love. Brokeback Mountain is an unconventional, breathing and untamed story about two cowboys in the wild west. Simple, hardworking men who earn their daily living with their hands. They find tenderness where they least expect. A love that lasts a lifetime. But what is a lifetime in a world where men speak little and violence can end everything?"
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on February 15, 2007, 09:18:47 AM
Oh, Elle, what a beautiful way of phrasing the meaning of our story.  :'(  Thanks to drifting_elfie for the REAL translation. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on February 15, 2007, 09:33:21 AM
One of our Dutch forum members, drifting_elfie, provided us with the following:

"Jack and Ennis are herding sheep in a paradise that is rugged Wyoming. And just as impenetrable, endlessly rough and tender as the landscape, is love. Brokeback Mountain is an unconventional, breathing and untamed story about two cowboys in the wild west. Simple, hardworking men who earn their daily living with their hands. They find tenderness where they least expect. A love that lasts a lifetime. But what is a lifetime in a world where men speak little and violence can end everything?"

Now that is beautiful. Thanks Elfie.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on February 15, 2007, 09:42:04 AM
Ah, perfect. And proof that machines can never replace humans. 

Thank you elfie.  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rosewood on February 15, 2007, 04:27:07 PM
Loved the report on Jake.
Great pix, too.
I watched his acceptance of the Best Kiss MTV award for
the first time yesterday. Thanks for including the link.

Though it was a fun award, JG still managed to inject a
touch of seriousness with his comment about love.
What a nice guy.

Also wanted to thank you for the Valentines Day
Shakespearean quotes. Yeah, that guy knew how to
string a few words together - didn't he?  :)

LOVED the one from THE TEMPEST.

"I would not wish any companion in the world but you."

Made me get all misty-eyed.
Thought of Jack and Ennis.

Yeah, yeah, I'm an old softy.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 16, 2007, 05:34:45 AM

Elle, that gave me indeed a good laugh!  :D

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 17, 2007, 06:39:59 AM


Just read the story about the two retired black baseball (?) players - the late coming out and the violent homophobic reaction. Here in France it was in ALL the newspapers (of course WITHOUT the later excuse).
It's terrifying that especially in sports gay issues still seem to be somewhere in the Middle Ages.
Good lord, this really has to change!  >:( >:( >:(



Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on February 17, 2007, 07:29:56 AM
Just read the story about the two retired black baseball (?) players - the late coming out and the violent homophobic reaction. Here in France it was in ALL the newspapers (of course WITHOUT the later excuse).
It's terrifying that especially in sports gay issues still seem to be somewhere in the Middle Ages.
Good lord, this really has to change!  >:( >:( >:(

Yes Ingmar,I agree, You live in the country that gives us the yearly "Les dieux du stade" calendar and video which displays those gorgeous nude football players. Now tell me, why isn't same sex marriage still not legal in France?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: chapeaugris on February 17, 2007, 02:50:20 PM
Well, at least you can get PACSed.  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on February 17, 2007, 03:04:56 PM
Well, at least you can get PACSed.  :)

It ain't the same ;D

Now all we need here in Canada are calendars of naked hockey players...

By the way nice profile Mini, loved that hair :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fritzkep on February 17, 2007, 03:14:54 PM
That would be pleasant indeed, Jean.

PACSed? ???

Here in Virginia, the way things are going, I'd settle for an equal-rights partnership, even if politically it can't be called marriage. Many of the voters here seem to choke on that word.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: tfferg on February 17, 2007, 07:19:22 PM
Thanks for the link to' Loving with all your...brain' article.

After reading it, I thought: Hey, what about us?
Why can't researchers be more inclusive and extend their studies of straight males and females to cover gay people? They didn't think to do brain scans of gays in love and in lust?
Science is still blinkered by ideology and the unexamined assumptions of researchers.
If same-sex attrraction is genetic or partly genetic, there must have been gays on those African grasslannds all those years ago and those gay genes are still here now, so they must be functional in terms of human survival and reproduction too. Any research study that stops at straight male and female subjects is only half finished.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: conny on February 18, 2007, 05:05:50 AM
as a response to the dutch BBM theatre play The site from that is in english too,on the top of the site besides the weeten van keppler,you see English.just click on it and it all appears in english!
i`m gonna see the play march 28th.
http://www.wettenvankepler.nl/indexsite.php
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 18, 2007, 07:43:02 AM
PACS is what the Socialist government thought would be the equivalent of gay civil union, some years ago, here in France. Of course it's not at all an equivalent.

It's not comparable at all to a 'real' civil marriage as we have them now in the UK, Netherlands, Belgium etc.

It's as if you throw a piece of old bread to a beggar and tell him : at least you don't starve anymore...

My partner and I have decided never to get PACSed but to wait that in either country (I'm German) an authentic civil union/partnership for gay people comes along. We won't do with 'less'.

It's a shame for a nation like France that it's way behind the development in other countries. There's nothing to be proud of, claiming all the time to be 'tolerant', to practice 'égalité.

Sadly, with the next President this is unlikely to change, again for a long time. Sarkozy, the conservative candidate who is very likely to win the forthcoming election as it seems, hates the idea of gay marriage.

As for the rugby calendar, this is just cheating the gay community. The rugby players are homophobic in an extreme manner. They do it (posing in the nude) just for the money and the fame. Tant pis, if gay men are so stupid to buy this calendar for their wank fantasies, and can't see that is just a business matter, nothing else.

The actual state of the gay scene in France is rather depressing (just my two cents, but I've lived here for 17 years by now, and it's close to the gay Middle Ages).
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on February 18, 2007, 08:29:27 AM

This from the article on the brain:

"But she adds there's probably a more anthropological reason at work. Simply put: A man's evolutionary mission is to spread his seed. That won't work if he mates with an 80-year-old grandmother.

"Men have to be able to size up a woman visually to see if she can bear babies," says Dr. Fisher."

I wonder how this applies to gays.

Ingmar, I really wonder how homophobes would agree, for any amount of money, to pose nude for a publication destined mainly to gay men.

It's quite a paradox. Il y a anguille sous roche...you're the translator, I can't find the equivalent, maybe "there's something amiss"?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fritzkep on February 18, 2007, 10:24:13 AM
as a response to the dutch BBM theatre play The site from that is in english too,on the top of the site besides the weeten van keppler,you see English.just click on it and it all appears in english!
i`m gonna see the play march 28th.
http://www.wettenvankepler.nl/indexsite.php

Can't wait to hear what you think of the play, Conny! And I love the name, Wetten van Kepler, even if they spell the last name wrong.  :D  :D  :D

(Mine's spelled Keppler!)

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: conny on February 18, 2007, 01:51:40 PM
i would have thought it had to be keppler too fritz  ;) and ofcourse i will give a detailed review with pictures!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: fritzkep on February 18, 2007, 02:26:43 PM
i would have thought it had to be keppler too fritz  ;) and ofcourse i will give a detailed review with pictures!!

Johannes occasionally spelled his name with two p's. In fact, he spelled it about 12 different ways in his lifetime. They weren't too picky about it back then.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 18, 2007, 04:38:18 PM
I loved the profile of mini! A lovelier person can't be imagined...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CANSTANDIT on February 18, 2007, 06:43:22 PM
I second that , about Mini-she is just wonderful. The profile does manage to capture well  the friend I know.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: chapeaugris on February 19, 2007, 07:46:06 AM
Whew... I agreed with some trepidation a couple weeks ago to submit a member profile of myself. I was about to send it in today and now there's no Daily Sheet! So the good news is I can maintain my anonymity. The bad news is... there's no Daily Sheet.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 19, 2007, 08:51:13 AM
?

Is it excluded from now on to see more TDS-profiles, just because of the 'sondag'e' they're starting this week?

I don't think so...

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: baileymoyes on February 19, 2007, 09:15:52 AM
My only personal involvement with TDS (other than reading it) has been in the form of guest fic reviews.  If doing more reviews would be a help, I'd make time for them.  If the PTB and the members decide on a weekly format, I don't think that would be a bad thing (but the name would have to change  ;D ).

Sure would hate to see it fade away.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 19, 2007, 09:28:14 AM
Someone said the other day they never read it, I wonder if everyone does.  I know I do and I appreciate it being there.  It is like everything else in life, people want it, but don't want to do any of the work! lol   If you had to cut in down to a once a week thing I think that would be fine.  I would imagine it is alot of work to do it every day.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: chapeaugris on February 19, 2007, 09:50:35 AM
I read TDS every day because it was there. I would be happy with one  long DS once a week (TWS). Maybe hardly anyone volunteered at the last call because it seems like such an overwhelming commitment. If 8 people were to each be responsible for one DS every 2 months maybe there would be more takers.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: royandronnie on February 19, 2007, 10:06:24 AM
I will miss the Daily Sheet. It wasn't equally interesting every day, but I nearly always read it before I did anything else here.

I would be glad to be involved. I signed up to edit, but could not deal with being responsible for a whole day's content twice a week. I would be DEE-LIGHTED to write articles based on someone else's suggestions or news items.

I say we invite real interaction. Let the Photocaptioners submit worthy caps, let's have a poem every week, encourage posters to nominate interesting posts in their favorite threads--and then run the whole post, rather than a digest. That way the Sheet is longer with less effort… Not all posts will be interesting to all members, but there would be some attracted to threads they don't normally visit by an interesting post, which would be part of the point. The rest being just to offer a sampling of what we're thinking about BBM that day/week.

Just to record my opinion, I was never interested in all the "this day in history" stuff at the bottom. Looked too much like boilerplate to me.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Monica LoveEmBoys on February 19, 2007, 10:29:55 AM
I've always been amazed at TDS - it's quality, breadth, and the professionalism that it brought to the forum in general.  I really think it is a feature that sets us apart from other forums, and it have it disappear would be a great loss.

Alas, I have never been able to read it every day.  For me, a few days a week publication would be perfectly adequate.  In fact I think it was some time before I realized that we were not publishing editions on Sundays.  That said I'd be much more in favor of a few short entries a week than one long one.

Kudos to all of the TDS editors - past and present - for doing a fantastic job.  Thanks. 

Monica
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: melissasjack on February 19, 2007, 11:29:30 AM
Hey guys...Just to say thanks and you rock.  :-* :D

Also, I'd be more than willing to help with whatever would be needed...knowing though that I couldn't be an "every day" person cuz of work.school/mom stuff...and I am mediocre with HTML  ::) ::) ::) ::)


But I too, dont want to see TDS disappear, though if it was 2-3 days a week, that'd be ok too, so long as its not gone.


IF I can help PM me, ok? and let me know what it would entail....

xo to all

Melissa

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: DeTina on February 19, 2007, 11:59:47 AM
First, I love the Daily Sheet and read it every day. Second, it sounds like maybe we have a lot of people who would like to help but can't take on a lot of responsibility, so maybe a volunteer coordinator would be useful and a board or team or possee of directors, who can give the editors advice. Like a real magazine--so have people who just do the writing and editing, people who just help decide what to put in, people who just find what to put in and people who just oversee. Does this sound too complicated? I'm a writer by profession and an editor, so I can help with that. Plus I periodically find interesting articles in the newspaper--like yesterday's New York Times had an article about Jake's new movie--that I think, "hmm, I bet the Forum folks would like to know about this." So I'm a little bit of a news hound and I bet others are too. It's a matter of coordinating this interest? I'm a terrible manager and terrible proofreader, btw. Plus I work and have kids and... so my time is limited.
Tina
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: dejavu on February 19, 2007, 12:11:11 PM
I too hope TDS (or TWS, or something) keeps on going.

The best thing about a Sheet is that it's a place to make announcement to the whole Forum, in more detail than would fit in the News Box.  For example, michaelflanagansf uses it to alert people to what Books and Movies will be featured in the discussion groups, and to remind people to vote.

It's also a good way of publicizing actors' appearances on TV, or things like Stephen Gyllenhaal's readings.  And it's a good way to publicize members' gatherings, like the upcoming Bay City Oscar Night thing.

For things like this, the "news" content depends on what members would submit as news.  I wouldn't have a problem with seeing the Sheet vary from long to short, or from daily to less often, depending on how much news there is to report.

People have mentioned what they like and don't like about TDS:
   I agree that "This Day in History" isn't necessary -- it's just filler.
   I'm not that interested in the cowboy vocabulary either.
   The photocaptions are nice, and the special art pictures -- but you can just wait for someone to submit them; don't need to feel obligated to find one for every day.
   I like the idea of quoting posts from throughout the Forum, and maybe printing the entire post, or at least more of a post, if it's too long to be quoted in full.  You could say, "There's an interesting discussion going on on the Whatever thread," and maybe introduce people to that thread -- maybe a lot of people don't even know the thread exists, because there are so many threads.

In general, I guess I'm saying, the Sheet doesn't have to be entertaining in itself, as much as it's a good way to bring the community together and let everybody know what's going on (both on the Forum, and in the outside world). 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rosewood on February 19, 2007, 01:07:00 PM
I read TDS everyday as well.
Not, necessarily, all the way through, but generally enough to know what's going on.
I'm the world's greatest skimmer.

Off the top of my head:

I wouldn't mind a longer Sheet done once a week either.

I like R&R's suggestions of featuring an interesting post or two in their
entirety from that week's threads for all the reasons stated.

I also wouldn't mind keeping an eye out for interesting articles in papers
or magazines or wherever. I am a prolific reader and hoarder of information
and useless facts.

I review books for a mystery online website and would
be happy now and again to do a book review for the TDS as well.
It there's any interest in that sort of thing.

You might also want to have a film reviewer every once in a while.

I'm sure you're already doing this, but just in case, it wouldn't hurt to
have someone keep an eye out on the weekly news magazines.

Another idea might be to post any interesting art and/or literary exhibitions,
auctions, book fairs, events or whatever, occuring in different sections of the
country at any given time.
It would be limited to the tri-state NY/NJ area for me.

There are so many literary blogs floating around that just skimming through
them is a full time job. But they should be kept an eye on for interesting tidbits,
as well.

Publisher's Weekly, The New York Times, The New Yorker, Premiere,
New York and Vanity Fair are great sources of occasionally pertinent information.
Some arcane. Some not.

I apologize if I'm going over old territory.
But I did say I was speaking off the top of my head.  ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: chapeaugris on February 19, 2007, 01:30:52 PM
It would nice to have more non-North American content. Sometimes I see a news item in France or a film here and think that it would be interesting to the forum but don't pass it on because, well, it's in French. If I knew that, say, once a month the Sheet would have a non-American theme I would take the trouble to translate it or write about it. Maybe members in other countries feel the same.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BayCityJohn on February 19, 2007, 01:48:29 PM
That would be wonderful chapeaugris.

I sometimes run across articles in other languages that I think might be interesting.
When I use an online translation program, it's usually quite a mess.

One of the greatest things about this forum is the participation by members outside of the U.S.

I've made new friends in Canada and Europe over the past year. It seems that every week I'm telling my friends here in Michigan about something that was written on the forum, and usually it's from one of the European members. I talk about Jari (Boris) a lot to my friends.

I would love to hear more about what is being said outside the U.S.

You guys and gals are pretty special!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BayCityJohn on February 19, 2007, 01:55:57 PM
I'd be happy to see TDS become a weekly issue. I know how many times you all have scrambled to find something interesting to print on a slow news day.

If I was a better writer I'd volunteer to help more. I'm always impressed by and really appreciate all the hard work all of the editors have put into TDS.

Thank you all for contributing so much to the forum.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Fran on February 19, 2007, 01:58:04 PM
Hi, I'm a lurker, and I have so often thought to myself I should go and thank the Daily Sheet producers for all the work they are doing for us, and now it took this to get me to do it. Posting doesn't come easy to me. I found this forum after seeing BBM last April. I had never even read another internet forum before and I was just too intimidated by the wealth of information. I went off and read all the threads of the old forum first, they seemed much easier to handle. When I finished them, I gave this forum a "second chance" and discovered the daily sheet. I've been reading it nearly every day since. It helped me to get a little bit of orientation, get a feel for the place and the community. It made me feel I could follow the forum in a general way when I didn't have more than 10 minutes a day to spare. I haven't really joined any discussions because they usually move on before I get there, but the daily sheet pointed out some great areas to go and lurk. I saw a lot of great posts I would never have discovered by myself, and discovered the lighter side of things like photo captioning fun, and fan fic! Another first for me.
I'll be really, really sorry to see the daily sheet go. But I appreciate how much hard work it is to keep something like this going. I admire all those who have worked on it for their giving their time, and their effort, and making it such a professional ... Daily Sheet?. Thank you all very much.
Personally, I'd rather see a shortened version of the sheet a few times in the week rather than just one. I will really miss my daily fix. But please, keep it going in some way.
Fran
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ministering angel on February 19, 2007, 03:28:49 PM
I've edited newsletter and the like before and I know what a tiring business it can be. Sometimes there just isn't the material to fill the pages and I've been feeling that this is TDS's problem for a while. I love reading it and always do so, but there is plenty of stuff that I just can't get interested in.

I'd be inclined to go with the idea of a weekly sheet with perhaps longer items. It's not as if there can't be extra editions if something arises which really needs to be splashed quickly.

Best wishes to kmich and elle_ann who have done a great job, and to everyone else at TDS.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 19, 2007, 03:58:25 PM
Personally--just me you understand--I think the current setup of TDS is designed to drain editors dry. In time past there was a position on this forum which no longer exists. The person in that position encouraged and gave a bit of praise to the people who were working their butts off for TDS. I don't think that happens now. You end up feeling  demoralised.

That position is necessary. The owner of the Forum has too many irons in the fire to run this thing on a daily basis, and the people who keep it going deserve to have their work acknowledged. It's an enormous volume of work to do on an unpaid volunteer basis.

Also, if the Forum has grown too big, split it in two.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 19, 2007, 04:17:32 PM
hell, they wanted mine since something like April lolol. I'm fast over here, ain't I
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on February 19, 2007, 04:20:43 PM
I read TDS every day, and have always appreciated the difficult job that it is and the wonderful people who have kept it going.  Thank you, Elle and Kathy, as well as all of the formatters, columnists, and others who work so hard.

I would hate to see it fold entirely, but could manage with once a week, in the incarnation suggested above, if necessary.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Monica LoveEmBoys on February 19, 2007, 04:32:48 PM
That position is necessary. The owner of the Forum has too many irons in the fire to run this thing on a daily basis, and the people who keep it going deserve to have their work acknowledged. It's an enormous volume of work to do on an unpaid volunteer basis.

Also, if the Forum has grown too big, split it in two.

Jack, I agree.  I wouldn't suggest splitting the Forum, per se, but the management responsiblities for the different areas that we do have going so that all receive the support needed to keep each area functioning and the oversight necessary to keep all areas in coordination with the others.  By areas I'm thinking of TDS, our Campaigns, our Moderator group, our Technical support group... just to start the list.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on February 19, 2007, 04:34:33 PM
Well - I just have to say that I've been amazed by Elle and Kmich (and Cactusgal and Tellyouwhat before them) and the work they put into the Daily Sheet.  Thank you so very, very much.

I would think that we could go down to fewer days in the week - it would probably make it easier to do.  And I can still do my column.  I do appreciate what Lola said earlier about people who say they never read TDS - I often wondered if I was just writing for no one - I occasionally would get comments or P.M.s from people, and that helped.

For now, however, I'm just very grateful for the work you have done.

And I used to do a newsletter too - so I know it's not easy.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: jeff hanna on February 19, 2007, 04:36:43 PM
  A bit of a shock to read that we will not have our Daily Sheet for the rest of the week, and that the frequency of its appearing may change: I have looked forward eagerly to reading it virtually every day since I came on the forum last Spring. HUGE thanks to everyone who has contributed. It has made our forum seem more "professional" and substantial.

  I've suggested some items, and even when they were not used, I got some warm and thoughtful replies from the editors. I often see things that make me want to contact the editors...but I haven't in awhile. I'm visiting New York this month, and yesterday, for instance, there was a mention of Brokeback in an article in the NY Times about men kissing in public...also various references to Brokeback in recent issues of NY gay publications. I even picked up a used book yesterday with a wonderful old vintage color photo of two cowboys on horseback...something called "The Cowboy's Prayer"...and the men look so much like Jack and Ennis...but I haven't the know-how to  copy it digitally and submit it.

  I'm very much looking forward to hearing more suggestions from fellow Brokies, and seeing what direction our Daily Sheet takes.

  Jeff

  I could well imagine a weekly Daily Sheet, if a daily one is no longer feasible
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: huntinbuddy on February 19, 2007, 04:52:50 PM
I have always looked forward to each new issue of TDS.  Usually, I read it on my lunch hour each day.  The amount of time the editors and contributors have put into this project has been tremendous.  I thank you all for your efforts and wish I had that kind of time available in my daily schedule.  I  agree with others here, in that a weekly sheet may be the best avenue to to take from here on.  If nothing else, excerpts from the book to be released could be part of the weekly content.  That might inspire some additional sales.  I have to admit, however, the most entertaining thing in TDS in recent months was when Sparky had his column.  Priceless.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Panartria on February 19, 2007, 05:10:36 PM
TDS is an amazing accomplishment on a forum such as this, i.e.fan based. The quality and commitment of its contributors is, I believe, unparalleled in other similar fora.  I love the scope of the structure of the Sheet, incorporating such a variety of things; news articles, photocaptioning, fan activities, fan art, fiction reviews, BBM updates, etc.  It is like a Base Camp from which to set out to explore new facets of the BBM World. This achievement would not be diminished by being published weekly but I would like to see it survive in some format.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: royandronnie on February 19, 2007, 05:33:34 PM
Ideally, I'd like to see it twice a week, three times tops. Why not keep Saturday as "Member Profile" Day, and designate another day as Fiction Review/member post day, and maybe one more day that focuses on newsworthy gay issues, H & J news, or something--that is to say, have regular themes for each day it's "published?" It really isn't how long it is, it's how relevant. Everyone so far seems to want it to go on, and seems to feel it doesn't need to be even six days. Once a week doesn't feel like enough to me, but twice might be.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Wayne SF on February 19, 2007, 06:35:40 PM
I read TDS every day while on my normal routine.  If visiting family/friends, I get distracted and don't check in.  I will most definitely miss this as part of my morning routine.  Thank you, again, for the wonderful times.  I liked every part of the sheet.  The History, the vocabulary words, and of course the BBM news.  TDS will be missed.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Stilllearning on February 19, 2007, 07:21:48 PM
I read the Daily sheet everyday, and am embarrassed that I haven't done a better job of thanking those who make it happen - so....THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH.  Since I spend most of my time on only a couple threads, I really appreciate the way the daily sheet keeps me up on things, like:  Jake will be on SNL, Health won an award in Australia, civil unions have been enacted in NJ, or this NBA player has said he is gay and here is the reaction....  I also really liked it when different threads are occasionally featured.  After I read what's going on there, I tend to go visit them.  I have some time, and would like to help, please let me know what's needed.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: rick-in on February 19, 2007, 08:04:30 PM
Thanks to all the great editors - I read TDS every day. I have really enjoyed it and I submitted ideas for articles whenever I found something appropriate. Wish I had more to submit! Mega thanks to everyone who made TDS possible. Best to all, Rick
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on February 19, 2007, 08:16:17 PM
TDS has affected SO many people who do not routinely post.  Ex:  rick-in.

Thank you, all of of you who have made it possible.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: planetgal471 on February 20, 2007, 12:51:48 AM
Yeah, I read TDS every day, at least to see what's going on. I find the news items and calendars the most helpful, but I LOVE the photo-caps as well. I'm more with Monica in favor of a shorter daily version over a weekly version. When TDS gets too long on a given day, I get a bit skim-happy. But it's awesome to see what forum members, activists elsewhere, and our favorite literary and movie-makers are up to.

A big thanks to those who put work in on it. I often take it for granted. You all run it so smoothly!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: chapeaugris on February 20, 2007, 12:58:37 AM
Maybe the moderators could mention each week any interesting points that have been raised recently in the threads they oversee. Sometimes I will drop in on a thread I haven't visited for a while (or ever) and discover they've been discussing something interesting and wish I'd known about it.

In its next incarnation, the Sheet should have Jackie/paintedshoes as the official Thanker who will praise the staff as needed to keep up morale.  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on February 20, 2007, 01:31:13 AM
I was very sorry and sad to read yesterday's Sheet. It felt like the end of something important. I must have read nearly all of nearly every issue since it came out, and it has really made a difference to my life, the news, the jokes, the information, but most of all the feeling of belonging to a wonderful group of people, that's what TDS has nurtured. I support the 'short and sweet' approach - it's not the length, it's the keeping up of the momentum which has made a difference to me. So, more than once a week but only as long as makes sense to whoever takes it on.
And, I have posted thank-yous before, but here's another - for everyone who ever contributed in any way. Love and thanks. Chris.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: doggedstrength on February 20, 2007, 02:22:00 AM
i'd sorely miss the daily sheet.  i read it every day without fail.  and i've been meaning to say -- yeah, NOW you tell us! -- that in fact it's been getting better over time.  i think it's now a polished piece of editorial work.  but since i don't have time to volunteer, i'm a bit chagrined to say, keep it up (somebody else  ::)).

okay, with that said, i'd understand and accept the need to drop down to once a week, since losing it altogether would be a real loss

i think the key to TDS is that it keeps you in touch with the basic life of the forum, the whole deal.  you can get lost or confused or temporarily exasperated on individual threads.

but TDS is home, the kitchen table, the note on the refrigerator.

so, i hope a way can be found to keep it going.

suggestions?  i'm amazed with the variety of items you've come up with so far, so i don't know that i can add much.  the profiles are just great.  love all the news items.  and i do think it's important to keep up with all the creators of BBM (annie, ang, heath, jake, michelle, anne, larry, diana, etc.; these people need our continuing support in their other creative efforts).  i also agree about more content from abroad, whenever that's possible.

one small way to get more submissions might be this:  i'd suggest a daily contribution from forum members but -- here's the challenge -- limited to 100 words.  a contributor could say anything related to brokeback, in any connection at all -- that is, we'd be given an extremely wide latitude -- story, characters but also social, sexual, personal implications and reverberations, etc. -- but you have a maximum of 100 words to say it.  and the editors would put this little feature in a box each day (or if we went weekly, maybe a collection of three or four).  it could even be a quote from someone else -- but the 100-word limit stands.  and call the feature something simple:  The Can of Beans, Broke Harmonica, Handle on the Coffee Pot.  just a thought.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 20, 2007, 03:21:09 AM
I think what we need here is a forum-wide co-ordinator. A details man. Or woman.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Janie-G on February 20, 2007, 05:42:08 AM
TDS has been,in my opinion,a minor if not major miracle.Without fail the editors have come up with interesting,thought provoking or hilarious content day after day.So a huge vote of thanks to them.They deserve it.I'd also like to say that they've been great to work with and so personal thanks and appreciation are in order here.It's been a priviledge to be involved.Thanks especially to Jan,Kathy and Marcia.
It's always been my first port of call in the forum and I know I'll miss it a lot if it goes completely but I would understand if it did.
Maybe a longer weekly one would take the pressure off and yet still keep that topical element.I know I'd really miss the updates on Annie,the boys and everything else.I hope something can be worked out to keep something going.
Janie.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: JT/EDM on February 20, 2007, 06:21:33 AM
I begin each day with TDS. If I miss a day I catch up without fail the next day. If it must be once a week will be better than none at all.

TDS provides a window on dozens of things that cannot otherwise be found easily. Of particular value are the "threads of the day" or "featured threads" for they show us how significant they are. Without such notice we wouldn't know that they exist for few of us have time to go hunting.

TDS is a gauge of the vitality of the Forum itself. That it has survived as a volunteer only effort is amazing and reflects the energy generated by the film and sustained by the forum. For those of us living in relatively isolation it provides a tremendous boost!

I certainly thank all of those who have made it a success in the past and hope for others who will keep it going in the future.

JT/EDM
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: asianguy on February 20, 2007, 07:18:36 AM
I'm a lurker.....TDS has been a daily morning fix for me. It's sad to know that it wont be there anymore. Just want to thank everyone involved in the publication for all their hard work. I do understand the issues around the daily publication. I will miss it . Again, thank you.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: bruce on February 20, 2007, 07:19:48 AM
Writing and publishing on deadline is a ton of work and loads of pressure -- all of you who've had a hand in doing The Daily Sheet all this time deserve a huge tip of the hat!  As a daily reader, I say "thanks!"

I'd agree with the notion of going weekly -- I'd enjoy seeing recaps of hot news on the forum from the week, with a feature and some of the fun stuff you do thrown in for good measure.  The key element -- keeping it going as an important tool in keeping us all together!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on February 20, 2007, 08:25:34 AM
Whew... I agreed with some trepidation a couple weeks ago to submit a member profile of myself. I was about to send it in today and now there's no Daily Sheet! So the good news is I can maintain my anonymity. The bad news is... there's no Daily Sheet.

Don't throw it away!! I'm planning to do at least a weekly sheet after this weekend and some "ready-made" copy will be helpful.  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on February 20, 2007, 08:56:59 AM
It's been encouraging that in just two days, there have been so many expressions of support and so many good suggestions for changes! As the newest editorial staffer and the only editor for now, I do plan to start with a weekly edition but depending on how much input we can get, hopefully it can expand to a three-times-a-week format.

We do need some kind of forum coordination because of this forum's size and its variety. All of us have lives outside the forum, many of us have jobs -- some more than one! -- and plenty of newsworthy items, good posts and artwork are bound to get overlooked when TDS gets put together. Most of us have favorite areas of the forum to visit, and it would really help if people could PM the editor with links when they run across something that stands out.

Anyone here who has particular likes or dislikes -- things that you always look for in the Daily Sheet or things that you always just skip, ho-hum.... that will all be helpful to know about. We had been in the process of revamping the Forum Footnotes to be less standardized, and I plan to go on doing that.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on February 20, 2007, 09:01:47 AM

In its next incarnation, the Sheet should have Jackie/paintedshoes as the official Thanker who will praise the staff as needed to keep up morale.  :)
Why, thank you, chapeaugris.   ;) :D 




I am as guilty as anyone in not praising the hard work that all the Daily Sheet staff have put in.  I took it for granted, and I'm sorry.   :-\  I sincerely hope we do not lose this fine publication.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: royandronnie on February 20, 2007, 09:10:17 AM
Just wanted to add, BBM and gay-issues stories/news notes from foreign members would be very welcome and would give us more perspective. Doesn't have to be huge to be of value to the large gay/lesbian readership. For example, a friend of mine in Australia wrote to tell me that BBM had won hands down in a poll of best movie in 2006. We all want to know things like that.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: cinnamontwist on February 20, 2007, 10:21:25 AM
As a relative newcomer to the forum, I just want to add my congratulations on a job well done, and my hope that TDS continues, in whatever form works best for those who devote their time and energy to put it together.  I always found it both entertaining and informative, and used it as something of a guideline to help me decide where I wished to lurk next.   ;)

I particularly liked the holiday edition, featuring the lovely story that was posted, and the references to other holiday-themed items.  Also enjoy the photo captions, the member profiles, and the fic reviews, plus the reprint and synopsis of news articles from various sources, and the efforts to follow the exploits of those who created this incredible story.

Kudos to all who worked so hard to create such a special publication.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: DeTina on February 20, 2007, 10:37:14 AM
I like knowing what is going on in the threads that I don't get to read much, so maybe moderators could send in a "highlights of my thread" once a week or something?

Also is there a way we could turn the daily sheet into something people pay for, so we can pay our editors and writers a little bit? Or get more advertising for it? Like Bloggers do?

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: kmich on February 20, 2007, 12:26:36 PM
I've been away for a few days so I've been a bit overwhelmed getting caught up on everything. Many thanks for all the kind words--they are greatly appreciated.  :) And if you sent me a PM or email, never fear, I will get back with you. It just may take me a little while.  :-[

I want to quickly address a few of the issues that were brought up and then I will fade into the background so that this great discussion can continue.  ;)

I've always felt very keenly the fact that this is an international forum. I tried very hard to keep the news from becoming too American-centric. But, as BBM was an American film and all the principals involved in it live in the U.S., it can be difficult to get away from the American focus. That's where having an international editing team was very helpful. Elle, being in South Africa, often found different stories than I did and she brought a different perspective to TDS than I did. And I always gratefully accepted leads on non-U.S. stories. Actually, I gratefully accepted leads on any stories, lol. :D So please continue to send in those leads to Marcia.

BB_1, you hit the nail on the head the first time out. Great observation.

DeTina, great suggestion that mods send "highlights of my thread" to editor(s). Perusing all the threads to come up with a Post of the Day is very time-consuming. I've done it and found it impossible to keep up. Also, part of the reasoning behind only providing a part of the post was to whet the readers appetite to click on the link to read the full post and, hopefully, check out the rest of the thread.

R&R, we did cover the Australian story you mentioned. It was in last Thursday's TDS. http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=20142.msg740275#msg740275

One last thought: It would be great to have more male editorial representation on TDS.

Carry on.  ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Bobby19in1963 on February 20, 2007, 01:01:22 PM
TDS has been totally professional and I am so appreciative to be associated with it...even just as a reader.  I have always thought that it was designed to burn through volunteer editors because it was so professional and so well done.  Thanx! to everyone who has helped over the months.  For someone like me who just can't be involved on many of the threads, having someone there at TDS to bring it all together has been invaluable.  And since I'm newly admittedly gay, much of my information about the larger gay world out there comes through TDS articles.  Without TDS in some form the whole experience will be much less for me.  I don't have any solutions, just hope we come up with something we can all support and live with.

Bobby
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rosewood on February 20, 2007, 01:18:14 PM
I, too, feel tremendous guilt that in my previous post I failed
to mention how much I appreciated all the hard work that goes
into putting TDS together. In the beginning, perhaps, I didn't
understand this, but after awhile it began to dawn on me that
TDS wasn't done by waving a magic wand, but by the sheer hard work
of everyone involved. So, a huge belated hug and thank you to you all.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on February 20, 2007, 02:14:42 PM
TDS was never tedious.
(...goes to read the rest of the posts.)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on February 20, 2007, 02:18:44 PM
I, for one, know how much work is put into TDS each day.  Having said that, and reading that nearly every post here has responded that they pretty much liked TDS the way it's been, why not find a way to keep it five days a week with a weekend edition?  (Not saying that changes/additions could be made within that context.)

asianguy says:
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I'm a lurker.....TDS has been a daily morning fix for me. It's sad to know that it wont be there anymore. Just want to thank everyone involved in the publication for all their hard work. I do understand the issues around the daily publication. I will miss it . Again, thank you.

Because we're at a bump in the road, here, or crossroads, this doesn't mean TDS has to go away, but let's see if there's a way to keep it up!

I agree with Jeff Hanna's post:
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  A bit of a shock to read that we will not have our Daily Sheet for the rest of the week, and that the frequency of its appearing may change: I have looked forward eagerly to reading it virtually every day since I came on the forum last Spring. HUGE thanks to everyone who has contributed. It has made our forum seem more "professional" and substantial.

That's my feeling, I enjoyed it day by day.

So, I agree with planetgal's post:
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I'm more with Monica in favor of a shorter daily version over a weekly version.
...if necessary, I would add.

And some of JT/EDM's observations are terrific:
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I begin each day with TDS. If I miss a day I catch up without fail the next day.
 
TDS provides a window on dozens of things that cannot otherwise be found easily. Of particular value are the "threads of the day" or "featured threads" for they show us how significant they are. Without such notice we wouldn't know that they exist for few of us have time to go hunting.

TDS is a gauge of the vitality of the Forum itself. That it has survived as a volunteer only effort is amazing and reflects the energy generated by the film and sustained by the forum. For those of us living in relatively isolation it provides a tremendous boost!

I certainly thank all of those who have made it a success in the past and hope for others who will keep it going in the future.

In one area someone posted some of their likes and dislikes, I am an opposite opinion of one thing, so I'll mention it--"I do like the cowboy words and phrases section -- it's given me inspiration for some photo captioning posts."

And doggedstrength writes some things we all agree with:
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i'd sorely miss the daily sheet.  i read it every day without fail.  and i've been meaning to say -- yeah, NOW you tell us! -- that in fact it's been getting better over time.  i think it's now a polished piece of editorial work.  but since i don't have time to volunteer, i'm a bit chagrined to say, keep it up (somebody else).

i think the key to TDS is that it keeps you in touch with the basic life of the forum, the whole deal.  you can get lost or confused or temporarily exasperated on individual threads.

I especially agree with his poetic pronouncement:
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...but TDS is home, the kitchen table, the note on the refrigerator.  So, i hope a way can be found to keep it going.

Maybe TDS could be thought of as a magazine or newspaper and that each day could be a different section of that magazine.  Breaking news or announcements at the top and then each days section.  Just a thought, but as you can see from the replies, TDS is something special as it was, and hope will be. 

With much appreciation,
Lyle
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: eocs on February 20, 2007, 02:56:01 PM
Even though I am pretty much over my obsession with Brokeback Mountain and moved on a bit, (but it will always be in my thoughts, heart, the love of the music and the terrible crush I have on Ledger's Ennis Del Mar--not Ledger himself), I will miss the Daily Sheet as I checked-in on it every day.  I rarely read the forum now as I think all that has been said, has, many times over.  But I am so grateful to this forum for helping me "cope" with the profound emotional response I and many others had with this story and film when I needed it so much.  And I learned so much about the music.   The Daily Sheet was a sweet reminder of something that has touched me deeply and a wonderful source of information.  I enjoyed the bios of members on the weekend.  Maybe it can come back on a limited basis. Bi-weekly or weekly. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: RodneyWY on February 20, 2007, 04:43:24 PM
Reading each new edition of TDS has been a daily occurence for me for as long as TDS has been in existence.  My heartfelt thanks to all those who have kept it the very readable, newsworthy daily update function that it has played for its entire existence.  Even more personal thanks are to those who have seen fit to focus on items that I have acquired and have desired to share with others.  The member profiles have always been a feature that I have read quite consistently.  As much as I would love to see it continue on a daily basis, I fully understand how great a task that is.  I will be an avid reader of TDS in whatever format it turns into.  I just don't want to log onto the forum one day and find that it no longer exists.  I'd love to help out!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: retropian on February 20, 2007, 05:53:17 PM
I would hate to see the Daily Sheet disappear. I just want to let the volunteers who have put in so much time and effort know that I enjoy visiting TDS every day. I send Kudos and my appreciation to them for their hard work. Even though I don't login and comment much, I visit DC daily to see what's up. Unfortunately my life is too full and busy, like so many others, that I can't volunteer. even if TDS is reduced to once or twice a week, or less, or even eliminated, I'll still be coming to DC to see whats up. I love the BBM community.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: royandronnie on February 20, 2007, 10:31:59 PM
The idea of area moderators sending a post/discussion of the week is really really good. My additional suggestion would be that in areas moderated by more than one person, they could send in ideas on alternate days/weeks.

Could I vote for continuing to post PCs of the day, on any day it's published??? I admit to being totally non-objective about that!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: gres on February 21, 2007, 02:05:46 AM
I'm really going to miss daily TDS. Reading it was the first thing i did every morning. I appreciate the effort put from those involved and all the hard work that  is needed on daily basis. And it is for sure a one time-consuming thing to do everyday. Having said that i would say that i wouldn't mind a bit longer TDS twice a week if it seems to be more feasible a plan under the circumstances.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 21, 2007, 03:22:30 AM
Yeah, please keep the rhythm going!  ;)

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Boris on February 21, 2007, 03:57:12 AM
Daily sheet will be sorely missed. I wish to thank all of the people who have put their time, love, dedication and effort to it. For me TDS doesn't come in the mornings, it's my afternoon delight to be read with my afternoon coffee just before I leave from work. I have admired the amount of work people put into it but sadly never taken enough time to express it, something I really regret.

Daily sheet has been witty and charming, but it has also created a sense of community, member profiles have been fantastic read and I have loved the Photo caption of the day and hints about different threads and memorable posts... As a European it has also provided a refreshingly unorthodox look into American discussion and culture. Where else would I have found the Cowboy-English-Cowboy dictionary?

That being said I welcome the one-twice weekly Daily Sheet and promise here, in presence of these witnesses to be more supportive than I have been in the past.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Nax on February 21, 2007, 04:08:19 AM
Daily sheet will be sorely missed. I wish to thank all of the people who have put their time, love, dedication and effort to it. For me TDS doesn't come in the mornings, it's my afternoon delight to be read with my afternoon coffee just before I leave from work. I have admired the amount of work people put into it but sadly never taken enough time to express it, something I really regret.

Daily sheet has been witty and charming, but it has also created a sense of community, member profiles have been fantastic read and I have loved the Photo caption of the day and hints about different threads and memorable posts... As a European it has also provided a refreshingly unorthodox look into American discussion and culture. Where else would I have found the Cowboy-English-Cowboy dictionary?

That being said I welcome the one-twice weekly Daily Sheet and promise here, in presence of these witnesses to be more supportive than I have been in the past.


Whut he said! I think we need something even if its only twice weekly!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on February 21, 2007, 04:23:38 AM
Whut he said! I think we need something even if its only twice weekly!

I second that in every respect!
Please keep the good work coming, even if it's not every day!
Pleeeeeaaaassseeeee!  ;)

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: TwistsBitch on February 21, 2007, 06:00:05 AM
TDS is/was such an awesome achievement.  It is especially great if you have time away from the forum.  I hate to think of it being seen as a thankless task or becoming a slog to maintain.  In preference to abandonning it completely, I'd go with a weekly sheet, or bi-weekly if one of them was a member profile, as has been suggested, or a peice already written by a forum member that was ready to roll without much input from an editor.  We might have to get used to a different type of sheet - trouble is, we've been well & truly spoiled so far!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: desertrat on February 21, 2007, 06:25:24 AM
i love tds. i'd love to be able to contribute more, but i'm at the limit time-wise, so i can onyl say how greatful i am to the editors since i don't have the right to ask the to continue. but of course, i would be happy if they did  ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: janjo on February 21, 2007, 09:21:04 AM
They say you only miss something when it's gone, and I am really missing the Daily Sheet this week. That sounds churlish when I can't offer to do anything except write the odd article etc. because my life is very busy already, but I am greatful for all the work that has gone into this, and i do hope you are able to save it in some form.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on February 21, 2007, 09:24:04 AM
TDS is/was such an awesome achievement.  It is especially great if you have time away from the forum.  I hate to think of it being seen as a thankless task or becoming a slog to maintain. 

It certainly hasn't been drudgery! The main issue is really just the amount of time it takes to compile stories, edit them and get them formatted. If anyone hasn't been thanked enough over the last year, it's probably our formatters and proofreaders.

What we're doing this week is trying to get a sense of what the readership wants from TDS, and the support has certainly been heartening. Just a general message to those saying they don't have time to volunteer - I know that isn't possible for everyone but you can help out more than you realize by sending in tips and links to interesting stories you run across, including items in the forum itself. They don't have to be written up if you don't have time; just a link and a few sentences about what the topic is would be fine.  Several of the stories I've done over the past few months have come from that kind of tip.

The suggestions about moderators sending in highlights of the threads they manage are also good ones. Quite a lot of the time it takes to compile an issue amounts to compiling stories, before you even start writing them up.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marc on February 21, 2007, 12:42:18 PM
I forget which thread I got this from, maybe Jake's eyelashes.  I wrote down that he's on Letterman on February 26, Conan the 27th (not sure if it's Monday night or Tuesday night) and the Daily Show on February 28.

I would put these on the Calendar.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: trekfan on February 21, 2007, 03:05:22 PM
I don't want TDS to disappear. I have been enjoying the photos, comments and story reviews.  I wish it would stay the same.   

I especially loved the marriage proposal  now that is a FIRST.   This so much an important part of us BBM fans reaching out to each other and learning from one another

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: MarkC on February 21, 2007, 09:53:55 PM
I have not followed TDS on a daily basis.
But, I have read every daily sheet.
I come back to this forum once in a while, and when I do, I read several at a time, not wanting to have missed anything.
For me , it is a quick way to catch up, like catching up on friends.

But I understand if it must be brought to a weekly issue.

THANK YOU SO MUCH to everyone who has worked on TDS.

Marc

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 22, 2007, 01:56:17 AM
To keep this thing, and to keep it running well, IMO it will need a clear sense of direction. For everything. Not just TDS.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Monica LoveEmBoys on February 22, 2007, 07:27:28 AM
To keep this thing, and to keep it running well, IMO it will need a clear sense of direction. For everything. Not just TDS.

What sort of direction would you like to see, Jack?  Are you referring to the forum as a whole since you say not just TDS.  What is the forum to you?  To others?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 22, 2007, 09:43:31 AM
I'll do my best to answer, and thanks for the questions.

It is drifting.

IMO the entire Forum is like a machine running on autopilot. This is NOT in any way shape or form a problem caused by mods or the people working behind the scenes. You all work your butts off. But there is no clear direction. Out of sight, gears have gone out of whack leading to systemic malfunctions. When you think about them seriously, and you know what I am speaking of, these were not that bad. They were  due to inexperience. Growing pains if you will. The alarming thing is that these problems were allowed to grow into what could have been a nightmare scenario. The entire system came close to burning out in the basement, with smoke invisible to most inside the house but apparent to the neighbors.

Part of the solution --and no, I'm not pointing fingers at anybody!!--caused other gears to go out. In a situation like this stopgaps will only work just so long before something else causes, or invites, a general breakdown.

What we have in front of us in the form of TDS, IMO, is a signal that a system this finely balanced cannot in the long term be maintained without a serious overhaul and DAILY MAINTAINENCE. This system needs direction and change. What's going on with TDS is a real warning, one which we ignore at our own peril. And that we includes Dave as well,  this is his site, he's an author, it's a huge amount of publicity for him and his work. How many blogs have become this successfull???

I do not expect a man with a deadline to drop everything and nurture a blog, that would be plain silly, completely self defeating. Yet someone has to be--yeah, has to be--put in the position of running this on a daily basis. We are dealing with more drift every week.

What does this place mean to me, as a person and as a man?? That is not easy Monica. It's not IMDb, not just some message board. If it was I would have never bothered to post. I came here after a search which in itself made me feel silly, to find out what I could about a movie which had clobbered me. That film ripped my head apart and changed the components around. Which was another thing which made me feel silly. I joined, posted...which made me feel dopiest of all. And got back responses which mesmerised me so much that I actually answered and did NOT feel idiotic. This Forum is by and large a place which attracts the same heart, all of us were affected in one degree or the other by the same experience. And that, of course, was Brokeback Mountain. I can feel and say with many others that the honesty with which we approach each other on here is remarkable, I've formed some of the best friendships of my life, ones which will LAST. Through the catalyst  which DC gave to us, I've had enormous, very good and wonderful changes go on, directly as a result of interactions with others on  here.[ such as marriage, meeting AP, having the Front Range out the window to name a few...] When we bounce ideas off of each other things happen inside a LOT of us.

It is the one sole universal factor among the people here, and it is still HUGE. I got an email recently which had the words " As Brokeback passes into history..." in it, in the part where we were talking about just this thing, changes on the Forum. That caught my attention. Without BBM, what you have is a large Forum where decreasing numbers of people will simply meet occasionally to discuss things with friends. Without BB this forum has no real raison d'etre. It's the unifying factor.

Some change is necessary, yet if that change comes in a form which continually de-emphasizes the Brokeback factor as a unifying force, the whole DCF loses it's identity.  Nobody has to tell me that obsessions lift and things change, nobody. I understand this---and still say that this forum's identity is it's long term strength.

 In a way it has matured 'as is'. The question is this: does it try to become like everything else [almost] on the internet or does it keep its' character and build on what it IS? There is no way it will attain the number of hits it got last year and goals need to take that into account, this thing isn't going to become an alternative lifestyle google. The forum can't have it both ways, it won't work. And hands on direction is IMPERATIVE.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lance on February 22, 2007, 10:16:53 AM
Vague, Jack, very vague. Lots of claimed malfunctions, no specifics. And no definition stated as to what a malfunction is. And lack of appreciation for the fact this place has a person who founded it, sets its goals, and appoints agents to achieve those goals, which are rightly his and not ours. He does not have to be here frequently for that to happen. You may have different goals, but neither I nor you nor any but Dave are the site owner. Is that not correct?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: TwistsBitch on February 22, 2007, 10:23:19 AM
Are you saying we are like the sheep on BBM & need some direction to untangle us from those shilayean sheep?  :D

It's likely that there will be no more things like the ad campaign, DVD campaign & the book which are huge momentum & interest generators.  The BBM slash world has slowed down some too.  What I never want to see is the discussions disappearing from access, even posts from way back.   But anyway this is TDS-related - let's get that sorted first then maybe there is another thing to look at (or even pose to see if it warrants looking at).
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on February 22, 2007, 12:30:56 PM
Vague, Jack, very vague. Lots of claimed malfunctions, no specifics. And no definition stated as to what a malfunction is. And lack of appreciation for the fact this place has a person who founded it, sets its goals, and appoints agents to achieve those goals, which are rightly his and not ours. He does not have to be here frequently for that to happen. You may have different goals, but neither I nor you nor any but Dave are the site owner. Is that not correct?

I don't see anyone claiming that anyone but Dave owns the Forum, but it doesn't do much good to own something if no one is interested in coming around.  And I don't think Jack's points were that vague, either.  I haven't been on the Forum much lately (I have the California bar exam to thank for that), but I was a little surprised to see recently created threads regarding TV shows like Lost and Amazing Race.  If the Forum goes in that direction and tries to be all-inclusive, we'll be competing with dozens of other boards, no question about it.  This board was (and still is, for the more part) unique.  The problem is, as Jack points out, that we can move away from that uniqueness purposely, or we can move away from it without realizing it if we just let things drift and change, little by little.  Either way, I think moving away from that uniqueness would be a mistake. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: DaveinPhilly on February 22, 2007, 01:54:13 PM

I don't see anyone claiming that anyone but Dave owns the Forum, but it doesn't do much good to own something if no one is interested in coming around.  And I don't think Jack's points were that vague, either.  I haven't been on the Forum much lately (I have the California bar exam to thank for that), but I was a little surprised to see recently created threads regarding TV shows like Lost and Amazing Race.  If the Forum goes in that direction and tries to be all-inclusive, we'll be competing with dozens of other boards, no question about it.  This board was (and still is, for the more part) unique.  The problem is, as Jack points out, that we can move away from that uniqueness purposely, or we can move away from it without realizing it if we just let things drift and change, little by little.  Either way, I think moving away from that uniqueness would be a mistake. 
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My thoughts exactly.

DaveinPhilly
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CANSTANDIT on February 22, 2007, 02:15:57 PM
I've been thinking about this topic, not really sure how to post or if it would be valuable, but Brokeback_1's post caught my eye, kind of brought me up short.
It is interesting, because long-term posters like me get somewhat razzed sometimes for the voluminious and repetive posts done, basically on topic, but too frequently. Overkill, in other words.
But, invairably, 95% or more of my posts are in some way, shape of form directly related to Brokeback Mountain-the book; the film; the author; the filmmakers; the characters; and the impact.
I think it is nifty that we as posters have grown enough to actually evolve real-life relationships with one another in a number of cases; and also grow close enough on line to share other interests, such as cooking; dating stories; general fine arts discussions; and the like.
But I have to remind myself that the purpose, the heart of this Forum is about the tragic experience of two fictional characters that was expressed and portrayed realistically enough to draw all genders, orientations and stations in life into one forum. There is a larger purpose outside of the people here, and it relates to both a monumentally important social issue, along with the most private of personal business.
For these two such critical  twains to meet in a forum that encompasses so many 'types' of people is a bit mind-boggling to me, and I sincerely hope we are in fact not losing sight of the original purpose of the Forum. That would indeed bring us from the profound to the mundane faster than the sun flashing on a tire iron-the more sinister purpose of which is something we ought never allow to be forgotten..
 :)

If I could help this more forward within its framework, within the range of my limited skills, I'd be happy to.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: janjo on February 22, 2007, 03:29:57 PM
I am in total agreement CSI.
It was/is Brokeback that brought us altogether, but the friendships and understanding that this forum has engendered is a very profound thing, and is in many ways to be celebrated.
We have in our own little way dealt homophobia a blow that it had coming to it, and maybe, just maybe, have done a little something to prevent what happened to our heroes being replicated in real life.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rosewood on February 22, 2007, 06:13:36 PM
I am in total agreement CSI.
It was/is Brokeback that brought us altogether, but the friendships and understanding that this forum has engendered is a very profound thing, and is in many ways to be celebrated.
We have in our own little way dealt homophobia a blow that it had coming to it, and maybe, just maybe, have done a little something to prevent what happened to our heroes being replicated in real life.

I so like this thought. AND I'm very much in agreement. Well said, jano.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CANSTANDIT on February 22, 2007, 08:06:57 PM
Boy, that is so critical to the spirit of this forum, Janjo. If I may digress..I was invited to visit with one of our execs, his husband, and their adopted baby girl at work today, and as I opened up his baby book  in the cafe, as a few people gathered to admire the baby and the beautiful dads, I found myself almost in tears..I could not stop thinking about all of the men on this forum who have been deprived of that moment by time, circumstance, fear, heartbreak-none of it called for, necessary or humane in any sense of the word.
I looked at them, and could only bleed inside for what I know must've been their struggles to get to this point.
 I also found myself gettin kinda pissed at homophobia, all over again.
God help us if we ever lose sight of this wonderful springboard to community that this Forum has become! And it is political by virtue of being about humanity..so I hope we never lose sight of the societal implications of what we do here, every day.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: royandronnie on February 22, 2007, 09:54:17 PM
I don't know that there is any easy answer to the question of what do we include, and what do we exclude.

I can't say that the idea of threads devoted to Survivor and other TV shows does a thing for me. But then, I'm utterly uninterested in chat threads. I think this makes me the exception, and I wouldn't want those who have made this one of their communties to lose a place to expand on those friendships. But perhaps such a thing should be considered--purge the Forum of the majority of non-Brokeback related threads, the non-support ones that are just yet another place to "talk" to the same posters. Who knows--maybe a few of us might carry these friendships forward into our everyday lives instead! Certainly threads like Auntie's Diner have become an institution, and should remain. But many of the others could go. Or at least, be allowed to take their chances, and see if they stick, with new OT threads being discouraged. It's a thought.

The thing is that while what we have all gotten from Brokeback Mountain will hopefully remain a cherished part of our lives forever, it IS a movie, and a story, and as such does not continue. Eventually, we will all move on. This is natural and probably healthy. There is nothing to be ashamed of if Ennis and Jack do not always hold the same importance for us that they did last year or today.

That said, the time for farewells is not yet. Let's see what we can do to make it a better place, and, yes, perhaps, a more strictly Brokeback place.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on February 22, 2007, 10:19:56 PM
Hi. I'm glad to see we've had so much interst in this thread.

I apologize for my absence, but I'm afraid I was caught off guard--the resignations came out of the blue, with just a few days' notice, just as I was about to leave town for a week on assignment in New Orleans (more on that later), with almost no web access. (I got lucky for an hour at the Times-Picayune Friday afternoon.)

I suggested this thread before I left, and hoped for a lively response, but was not able to begin reading it tonight. (I returned to Denver last night, fairly exhausted, and a lot of catching up to do on a lot of fronts.)

I will weigh this weekend, once I have a chance to read.

I have always thought TDS was a great idea--one of those I immediately thought "Why didn't I think of that?" when it was suggested. I have loved the way it has grown and gotten better looking over time, and I'm grateful to all the volunteers who have logged countless hours making it happen. I sure hope we can keep it going in some capacity.

---

FYI, if anyone is interested in an early dispatch on my N.O. trip, check out this blog from The Dart Society, the organization that sent me down: http://www.dartcenter.org/mission_possible/index.html -- they should have more soon, including some photos i uploaded this afternoon.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on February 22, 2007, 10:40:32 PM
i plunged in reading on the last page of the thread and was struck by some thoughts on what the forum should NOT be. i actually think that the breadth of ideas you can find here is one of our strengths.

and no one has the time to peruse it all, but i don't think you have to. this passage struck me:

. . . but I was a little surprised to see recently created threads regarding TV shows like Lost and Amazing Race.  If the Forum goes in that direction and tries to be all-inclusive, we'll be competing with dozens of other boards, no question about it.   

we actually started our first thread on survivor, amazing race and other reality shows on February 27, 2006: http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=1396.0

i believe we're on our third thread for each now (third season of each since we've been going.) brokeback is a film and a lot of people who like discussing film like discussing other forms of pop culture, hence the Arts & Entertainment section which is nearly as old as the forum.

it may be new to you, but it is not a new direction for the forum by any stretch. one thing i have always liked about the forum is that there are a lot of different areas for a lot of different tastes. some of them have little to no appeal to me (eg, the jake & heath adoration threads with bothered out TDS editors so much), so i don't spend time there. other areas, i am much more active. (particularly the arts threads.) we can all enjoy the ones we want to.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on February 22, 2007, 11:19:52 PM
OK, i've read the whole thread, and i am overjoyed to see all the support, and all the good ideas.

it would be great if we could keep it at least 2-3 days a week.

and again, i'd like to thank everyone who has been involved in running it from the beginning, starting with jan and ellen conceiving of it and creating it, all the copy editors and formatters and technical people, and editors, writers, columnists, guest writers and people who sent in tips. (am i forgetting whole categories of people? i'm always terrified to do that because i'll inevitably forget someone.) also thanks to everyone i have not mentioned (and feel free to point them out so that i can add them.)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on February 23, 2007, 12:32:37 AM
In time past there was a position on this forum which no longer exists. The person in that position encouraged and gave a bit of praise to the people who were working their butts off for TDS. I don't think that happens now. You end up feeling  demoralised.

That position is necessary. The owner of the Forum has too many irons in the fire to run this thing on a daily basis, and the people who keep it going deserve to have their work acknowledged. It's an enormous volume of work to do on an unpaid volunteer basis.

that's definitely true. that sudden departure left a void. i have been trying ever since to find the right person to fill it, but it's going to take a huge time committment and a huge level of trust. i was burned badly the last time on the trust issue and am going to be very careful. and we don't really have the resources to pay someone. so it's going to be a challenge, but i have been working on it. there is one person i think would be perfect--we'll have to see. (nothing imminent, though, i'm sorry to report.)

---

i'm leery of this discussion getting a bit off track, though. we can talk about the forum as a whole and its direction and oversight somewhere--(i think we have a thread or two for that; maybe we'll have to create or revive one)--but this thread is designed to discuss TDS and i think we need to keep it on that track for all the people coming here to discuss it.

thanks.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: desperadum on February 23, 2007, 04:18:23 AM
i'm leery of this discussion getting a bit off track, though. we can talk about the forum as a whole and its direction and oversight somewhere--(i think we have a thread or two for that; maybe we'll have to create or revive one)--but this thread is designed to discuss TDS and i think we need to keep it on that track for all the people coming here to discuss it.

Amen, Dave, and thanks.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: chapeaugris on February 23, 2007, 06:15:51 AM
Wasn't there a thread about a year ago called "Where do we see this forum in a year" or something like that? Maybe it should be revived.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on February 23, 2007, 09:27:21 AM
My only personal involvement with TDS (other than reading it) has been in the form of guest fic reviews.  If doing more reviews would be a help, I'd make time for them.  If the PTB and the members decide on a weekly format, I don't think that would be a bad thing (but the name would have to change  ;D )

I've PMed Cyn about continuing with the fanfic reviews, though haven't heard from her. But in any event, we can use other coverage about fanfiction, like interviews with authors. Or highlighting any articles you can find on fanfiction generally, though these are somewhat hard to come by.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on February 23, 2007, 09:47:36 AM
Some of the remarks here about where the forum should be going can certainly be expanded on in another thread, but let's do give some attention to how we can apply them to TDS.

The impact of the film and story is what brought all of us here, and I'd like to see this reflected in TDS more. A reality that we have to deal with is that any movie, book, play is the focus of intense public attention only for a time and then "passes into history".  Which is unfortunate phrasing as it suggests being forgotten but actually it's only the more memorable works of art that become history; others get forgotten quite easily.

A project that could be valuable to both TDS and the forum is if someone would undertake to compile classic posts, conversations, unusually sharp insights, from throughout the forum's history. As we all know, there are thousands of posts now, and IMO some of the coverage of the forum itself in TDS needs to reflect that. A look at posts from a year to 15 months ago would also yield links to reviews of the film, some of which are still relevant.

Other BBM-related news surfaces occasionally that's more recent. The film has already made enough "Top Movies" lists and both the film and story are starting to surface as subjects for study in schools.

And IMO, an emphasis on gay issues, gay history, gay-related stories generally is something that just belongs in this forum and its newsletter. 

Just the $.02 that first comes to mind here - if anyone has some suggestions as to how the recent discussion about the forum direction can specifically apply to TDS, I'd like to hear them.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Bobby19in1963 on February 23, 2007, 10:50:57 AM
Hi! All:

I'm one of those that has been featured several times in TDS (re: my Brokeback Mountain Lovesick Diet thread), and it really helped my self esteem...although I could share it with only a few off of the forum.  So, thanx! for that, and please realize how important it is for 'a minute of fame.'

I want to also add that the minute I stray from couching what I post in terms of Brokeback Mountain, I seem to lose the connection between the movie and everything that we talk about here...our lives are indelibly impressed with the movie now.

This movie is a watershed movie...it's history as a catalyst for change is still being written at this time.  The impact it has had was poignant for many, but most poignant it seems for those of us who are older (Jack and Ennis' ages) who lived through lives of homophobia that we see remnants of around us now, but we are living in a world of change.  I even see hope in subtle changes in the straight-laced Mormon Church I belong to...and anticipate greater changes in the future when the Church decides to really follow Christ.

The TDS brings all of this together for us, what is happening here on the Forum and what is happening out there in RL, so it must remain in some form.  I've been truly impressed by the professionalism...damn hard to beat anywhere!

At the same time, perhaps it's possible to find within all of this a continuing compelling reason to come here and be involved...in addition to the lifelong friendships we are forging.  At one time, early last year, there was talk of a Brokeback Foundation that we might establish and be a part of...an organization that could be a greater catalyst for change...and would attract those who come to Brokeback Mountain on a weekly basis...finding over and over again how life changing it is.  Such a Foundation could live on and change lives of quiet desperation into lives of productive growth.  I'm not re-proposing it...just wanting to think about something perhaps we could own, as commited Brokies, that has grown from our commitment to each other here on the Forum.  For those people...who need a place like the Forum on a continuing basis over a very long time.  I think we do need to think and talk long and hard about what we can do with what we have to keep it fresh and vital as it grows from the soil of Brokeback Mountain.  The 'soil' found there is soul soil...food for change in a world that needs it so much.

My life will NEVER be the same because of Brokeback Mountain and what I've found here on the Forum.  My life is still such a struggle that I can't be a lot of help to anyone, while I'm trying to find my way with my family, friends, and church after the changes in me over the last year.

Don't forget...the stories that will be shared in Beyond Brokeback...the Impact of a Film...will take everything to a new dimension as people can hold in their hand and read over and over what is printed in our book.  It will draw more people to the Forum, it will regenerate us here to greater discussion and the impact will just grow around the world.  Let's do whatever we need to here to keep it vital and fresh for those who will surely come (reminds me of another wonderful movie...if you build it....)

I've grown to love so many of you here and hope we can just continue to make the Forum, the movie, the book, the new friendships a special focus in our busy lives.  I think the blessings will continue to flow.

Love ya'll,

Bobby
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on February 23, 2007, 11:42:28 AM
Some of the remarks here about where the forum should be going can certainly be expanded on in another thread, but let's do give some attention to how we can apply them to TDS.

The impact of the film and story is what brought all of us here, and I'd like to see this reflected in TDS more. A reality that we have to deal with is that any movie, book, play is the focus of intense public attention only for a time and then "passes into history".  Which is unfortunate phrasing as it suggests being forgotten but actually it's only the more memorable works of art that become history; others get forgotten quite easily.

A project that could be valuable to both TDS and the forum is if someone would undertake to compile classic posts, conversations, unusually sharp insights, from throughout the forum's history. As we all know, there are thousands of posts now, and IMO some of the coverage of the forum itself in TDS needs to reflect that. A look at posts from a year to 15 months ago would also yield links to reviews of the film, some of which are still relevant.

Other BBM-related news surfaces occasionally that's more recent. The film has already made enough "Top Movies" lists and both the film and story are starting to surface as subjects for study in schools.

And IMO, an emphasis on gay issues, gay history, gay-related stories generally is something that just belongs in this forum and its newsletter. 

Just the $.02 that first comes to mind here - if anyone has some suggestions as to how the recent discussion about the forum direction can specifically apply to TDS, I'd like to hear them.

thanks, that was great. i agree with all of that.

and i think some of the classic-posts research was done by the book people--though only one aspect of it, but it's a good start.

and i think we need to keep in mind that we're always serving two different audiences on this forum (and with TDS): recent arrivals and old hands. (of course we can bifurcate the audience many other legit ways, and should, but that's one crucial distiction i have seen come up again and again over time.)

some of the key differences between those:

newer members have often just found us and been dying to discuss the film with people, sometimes to learn about things that are second nature to us, and/or discuss things that some of us feel beat to death. (eg, there is no way on earth i can have one more discussion about "Were They Gay?"--and god, please don't use that as an opening to discuss it in this thread.) but we have this discussion among the mods all the time: Some people have never found anyone to have that discussion and are excited to have found us and want to. of course that's one example, and there are a million. but the newer people tend to be at a different place, and in general, have a more voracious appetite for all things brokeback. many of us old hands do to, but others have sort of talked that out and tend to be more interested in non-brokeback and/or brokeback-related than brokeback-centric discussions. (eg, they may be gay or gay-friendly, and really attuned to those issues. or they may be really into film, and want to discuss that most of all.)

my point is that we need to be aware of both audiences (and everyone in between), respect both, and cater to both. we always need to keep in mind that we are feeding the appetites of people on both ends of that spectrum, as well as those in between.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rosewood on February 23, 2007, 12:49:41 PM
Nice to hear from the head honcho.  ;)

By the way, since the TDS isn't active this week, I thought I'd throw this
tidbit in. (Even though it may not interest Dave - ha!)
There's a very nice interview with Michelle Williams in the current
issue of VOGUE. The one with Jennifer Hudson on the cover.

Turns out Michelle and Heath are planning to live in London for the next few
months while he works on BATMAN and she does her own film. Also she
comments on their meeting while working on BBM i.e. how he took care of
her (after her fall during filming of the toboggan scene) and she went from her
crutches to Heath's arms. I mean, isn't that sweet?
And yes, I really mean, sweet. No cattiness. I really wish the best for these two.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on February 23, 2007, 05:41:36 PM
Wasn't there a thread about a year ago called "Where do we see this forum in a year" or something like that? Maybe it should be revived.

yes, that's one of the ones i was thinking about (i lose track of them). i think it was while we were doing the re-org last summer. i'll see if someone can find it.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: janjo on February 24, 2007, 03:56:09 AM
One of the things I always liked about TDS was the way that really good "Photo caps of the day" were shown again. In fact it took me months to discover photocaps, and even longer to discover how to do them!
I think perhaps the best photocap, and the best posting of the previous day, helps to keep us all striving for excellence in the hope that one day we might be "chosen," as well as introducing us to threads we didn't know about.

In relation to Dave's posting, (Morning Boss!), there are millions of people out there who have neither seen this film, or read the short story, and it is quite possible that there will be newmembers wanting to discuss both for many, many, years to come. This is truly a lasting work of art and we need to bear that in mind.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on February 24, 2007, 01:08:21 PM
i think some of the classic-posts research was done by the book people--though only one aspect of it, but it's a good start. . . and i think we need to keep in mind that we're always serving two different audiences on this forum (and with TDS): recent arrivals and old hands. (of course we can bifurcate the audience many other legit ways, and should, but that's one crucial distiction i have seen come up again and again over time.)

some of the key differences between those:

newer members have often just found us and been dying to discuss the film with people, sometimes to learn about things that are second nature to us, and/or discuss things that some of us feel beat to death. (eg, there is no way on earth i can have one more discussion about "Were They Gay?"--and god, please don't use that as an opening to discuss it in this thread.) but we have this discussion among the mods all the time: Some people have never found anyone to have that discussion and are excited to have found us and want to. of course that's one example, and there are a million. but the newer people tend to be at a different place, and in general, have a more voracious appetite for all things brokeback. many of us old hands do to, but others have sort of talked that out and tend to be more interested in non-brokeback and/or brokeback-related than brokeback-centric discussions. (eg, they may be gay or gay-friendly, and really attuned to those issues. or they may be really into film, and want to discuss that most of all.)

There are still some good "How Brokeback affected me" stories out there, but I'd definitely want to avoid duplicating the book. And I would hesitate to re-open the "were they gay?" or "quit/don't quit" brouhahas all over again!  However, there are thousands of other posts relating to the movie and original story both, as well as the history of the movie itself - e.g., the production, evolution of the screenplay, awards and the Oscar snub. And IMO "classic posts" or "classic forum moments" should certainly include the Variety ad.

I'd like some suggestions about including these newest members. Certainly discussion of the film and book are essential to the character of the forum, and we need to incorporate that more.

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my point is that we need to be aware of both audiences (and everyone in between), respect both, and cater to both. we always need to keep in mind that we are feeding the appetites of people on both ends of that spectrum, as well as those in between.

We certainly do, and now is the time to figure out how that should translate into what TDS role is in it.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: doggedstrength on February 24, 2007, 02:12:57 PM
I would hesitate to re-open the "were they gay?" or "quit/don't quit" brouhahas all over again!

Marge, i'm glad to have contributed to this discussion about TDS and am heartened that we're having it.  my reaction to the above excerpt from your post may seem like a minor matter, but i don't think so.  while i tend to agree that the question "were they gay?" no longer has much urgency, the "did jack quit ennis?" thread is no "brouhaha" but a potent, valuable, ongoing discussion that from time to time seems to languish and then suddenly kicks back to life -- sparking new and refreshed insights.  those quit/no quit discussions are among the most valuable i've read and participated in on the forum.  we need to be careful not to toss out crucial babies along with some admittedly cloudy bathwater.  just a note of caution as our discussion of TDS seems to raise questions about the forum's entire function and future.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CANSTANDIT on February 24, 2007, 06:18:03 PM
I agree that if a point continues to be subjected to debate, it has value, and is serving as a lightning  (Flat) rod for people who are interested; concerned; in turmoil; and seeking answers-or even the right questions. To me that is very much part of the basic spirit of this Forum.
I was thinking maybe we could do something along the lines of having the grammatically skilled and trusted members  of the forum take turns summarizing the major points of  discussions in certain threads each week,  to highlight a current discussion question I myself had,  for example: There is a chat going on regarding the possible motivations for Ennis being exposed to Earl. It takes us back to the era and the place,  and in a way, to what might be behind  destructive rural homophobia, and it has already covered quite a lot of ground in just  a few posts...? Just an example of how this could be valuable in a sociological context, as well.
Just a thought.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on February 24, 2007, 06:59:51 PM
The Daily Sheet has been a fine way to start the day.  Cup of coffee... Piece of The Daily Sheet.  With the oldest laptop in existence, it has been a leisurely morning walk for me.

But I also see a WEEKLY sheet as a viable replacement and the open door to new threads.

Three possible new threads:

 (1) One devoted specifically to Annie Proulx's getting the Nobel Prize.  The intricates steps involved have already been laid out, but remain somewhat hidden under the thread devoted to her in general.  This is a magnificent project.  Of major literary proportions.

(2) One about the real, live BBM stage play that has emerged in The Netherlands.  Very interesting two actor production.  Other versions may not be far behind.  This deserves a thread.

(3) One devoted to the creation of a non-profit Brokeback Foundation for the long term study of the work and its effects.  A study/retreat center up in Wyoming for such a foundation would be tangible evidence of its power.  It could be the crowning achievement of this forum to help bring it about.
 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on February 25, 2007, 09:04:37 AM
while i tend to agree that the question "were they gay?" no longer has much urgency, the "did jack quit ennis?" thread is no "brouhaha" but a potent, valuable, ongoing discussion that from time to time seems to languish and then suddenly kicks back to life -- sparking new and refreshed insights.  those quit/no quit discussions are among the most valuable i've read and participated in on the forum.  we need to be careful not to toss out crucial babies along with some admittedly cloudy bathwater.

Glad to hear that!  When can I expect an article from you about one of these discussions?   ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on February 25, 2007, 09:08:41 AM
I was thinking maybe we could do something along the lines of having the grammatically skilled and trusted members  of the forum take turns summarizing the major points of  discussions in certain threads each week,  to highlight a current discussion question I myself had,  for example: There is a chat going on regarding the possible motivations for Ennis being exposed to Earl. It takes us back to the era and the place,  and in a way, to what might be behind  destructive rural homophobia, and it has already covered quite a lot of ground in just  a few posts...? Just an example of how this could be valuable in a sociological context, as well.

We've had "threads of the day" and "posts of the day" but IMO we can be covering interesting threads related to the story and film a lot more consistently than we have been. Can you send me a summary of that conversation? It would be a good place to start.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lola on February 25, 2007, 09:08:49 AM
The suggestions about moderators sending in highlights of the threads they manage are also good ones. Quite a lot of the time it takes to compile an issue amounts to compiling stories, before you even start writing them up.

I kind of just assumed that was being done.  I have PM'd the mods of threads a few times, with ideas for the Daily Sheet (articles, interviews etc)  ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: trubrokeback on February 25, 2007, 11:51:56 AM
I know this discussion has been going on for a while now, but I haven't had a chance to weigh in yet.  I'll get right to the point and say that I would hate to see TDS totally disappear.  On the other hand, I realize that putting it together on a daily basis is a huge task.  I've often wondered how the editors do it, because it must be very time-consuming, but it's always so well-written and truly professional-level journalism.  The Forum, in general, has been very important to me and TDS has been a large part of that.  It's a terrific way to get to know other Forum members and keep up with BBM related news.  If the frequency of TDS had to change to weekly, biweekly, or even monthly, that would be fine, but otherwise I think it's great as it is.  I wish I could become more involved, but right now, I can't.  My RL is in a state of flux (I may be relocating soon), and I just don't think it would be honorable to take on a commitment that I might not be able to follow through.

So, the upshot: I hope a TDS type publication can continue even if it's less frequent than daily.   :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Melby on February 25, 2007, 03:58:50 PM
Thank you to all out-going TDS staff for your great generosity w/ your time & talent!

I always skim, if not read word for word, TDS first thing when I log onto this forum. Always find it informative. If I've been gone for awhile, I always skim the back issues.
I esp like forum recaps / attn focused on forum happenings I might not otherwise have time to be aware of.

Hope TDS can continue in some form. I see it as a kind of central, check-in, clearinghouse type of place....as well as informative & entertaining. THX again.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CANSTANDIT on February 25, 2007, 05:44:05 PM
I was thinking maybe we could do something along the lines of having the grammatically skilled and trusted members  of the forum take turns summarizing the major points of  discussions in certain threads each week,  to highlight a current discussion question I myself had,  for example: There is a chat going on regarding the possible motivations for Ennis being exposed to Earl. It takes us back to the era and the place,  and in a way, to what might be behind  destructive rural homophobia, and it has already covered quite a lot of ground in just  a few posts...? Just an example of how this could be valuable in a sociological context, as well.

We've had "threads of the day" and "posts of the day" but IMO we can be covering interesting threads related to the story and film a lot more consistently than we have been. Can you send me a summary of that conversation? It would be a good place to start.
I'll give it a shot, Marge...I'm not much of an editor, anyone can tell ya that.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 25, 2007, 07:10:17 PM
What chapeaugris posted a few pages back is very true--we could use more 'foreign' news. There are lots of  members outside of North America who would happily send in articles of interest to TDS readers. Some are accomplished authors themselves, the talent and perspective gained would be invaluable. For example, our Forum  book is recieving a final polish in Vienna, just down the street from the Hofburg. And just a few weeks ago the new government made a coalition by reneging on the issue of gay marriage, but who here has heard about  it?

Any one of them would happily send in or translate articles.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: desertrat on February 26, 2007, 01:38:21 AM
What chapeaugris posted a few pages back is very true--we could use more 'foreign' news. There are lots of  members outside of North America who would happily send in articles of interest to TDS readers. Some are accomplished authors themselves, the talent and perspective gained would be invaluable. For example, our Forum  book is recieving a final polish in Vienna, just down the street from the Hofburg. And just a few weeks ago the new government made a coalition by reneging on the issue of gay marriage, but who here has heard about  it?

Any one of them would happily send in or translate articles.

...and here is the one  ;D ;D
as i said in my pm to marge alreday, i have a bad consciousness for not being able to offer my help daily, but i'm more than happy to submit info, translate articles etc. !  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: doggedstrength on February 26, 2007, 06:10:20 AM
while i tend to agree that the question "were they gay?" no longer has much urgency, the "did jack quit ennis?" thread is no "brouhaha" but a potent, valuable, ongoing discussion that from time to time seems to languish and then suddenly kicks back to life -- sparking new and refreshed insights.  those quit/no quit discussions are among the most valuable i've read and participated in on the forum.  we need to be careful not to toss out crucial babies along with some admittedly cloudy bathwater.

Glad to hear that!  When can I expect an article from you about one of these discussions?   ;D

Marge, does this mean that my more modest suggestion of a 100-word-limit daily box on BBM has been rejected? 

that smallscale notion dovetails with my limited availability of time to contribute, which is one reason i brought it up.  i thought that others with similar time constraints might find it a short but honest way to help keep the ball rolling.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on February 26, 2007, 08:24:40 AM
Here's the suggestion you were referring to:

[one small way to get more submissions might be this:  i'd suggest a daily contribution from forum members but -- here's the challenge -- limited to 100 words.  a contributor could say anything related to brokeback, in any connection at all -- that is, we'd be given an extremely wide latitude -- story, characters but also social, sexual, personal implications and reverberations, etc. -- but you have a maximum of 100 words to say it.  and the editors would put this little feature in a box each day (or if we went weekly, maybe a collection of three or four).  it could even be a quote from someone else -- but the 100-word limit stands.  and call the feature something simple:  The Can of Beans, Broke Harmonica, Handle on the Coffee Pot.  just a thought.

Yes, that's a great suggestion, and no reason it has to conflict with regular submissoins about threads.  We could add "scenes" to the list of things people could write about too.


Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on February 26, 2007, 08:40:54 AM
I've refrained from talking publicly about the Forum or TDS since I left TDS back in October partly because I thought I'd had my say over the months of TDS and partly because my own life was going through turmoil.   Now, though, I feel that I want to jump in here.   

I'm glad to see communication on the viability of TDS.  When I first suggested the idea back in April, it was to provide a quick "sheet" to highlight the goings-on in the Forum for everyone who was too busy to keep up with each thread.  As you all know, Ellen and I took it further to include stories outside the Forum that we felt were pertinent to the membership.  What you probably didn't know is that we begged and pleaded for help - right from the beginning.  I can't even remember how many people I approached to do a column -- weekly, monthly or even whenever they wanted.  Most turned us down.  Writing TDS the way we were doing it back then where we had to keep up with what was going on in the threads, took us about 3-4 hrs a day -- sometimes even more. 

So, while all the suggestions for stories are interesting, that isn't and never was the issue.  The issue is 'What are YOU - not the other guy -- going to do to keep TDS going?   And, take that one step further, "What are YOU going to do to keep the Forum going?   

I don't want to hear "I'm too busy."  If you have the time to hang out here, you have the time to contribute even if it is in a small way.  I realize not everyone can run a project or take on a large responsibility but if enough people would contribute in a small way, then these major tasks, such as TDS, wouldn't be such a major feat to accomplish. 

Yes, there a whole lot of people who do a lot here, but where are the rest of you?  How much do you want TDS and the Forum to continue?    Jan

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: TwistsBitch on February 26, 2007, 08:58:55 AM
Jan's point is sound.  There are many people that could help a little bit, & if most people who could do that did indeed do it, a little bit of effort is all that would be needed to produce several snippets of content for TDS (or whatever incarnation).  But still there needs a core of people to co-ordinate these efforts. 

For example one model could be one co-ordinator for member profiles, one for photo caps, one for international news, etc These roles do not generate the content themselves (unless they want to now & then) but source it from forum members.  The role of such co-ordinators could even rotate if there were enough willing participants. They then feed it into a pre-formatted template with an editor/formattor check before it's published.  If this model was successful there would hopefully always be a small pool of surplus contributions that could be pulled in if one area of contribution couldn't make its requirement.

The idea would be that everyone's involvement would be sufficiently small such that it would never become too time-consuming for anyone.  Whether this could work in practice, I have no idea unfortunately.  These things tend to snowball onto the shoulders of an initially willing few.  :-\
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Bobby19in1963 on February 26, 2007, 11:29:37 AM
Hi! All:

I've been begging people in my community to help for a couple of decades, but what has happened is two things:

1.  The same old people are here all the time and do all the work.
2.  Those same old people go on and on about how much work it is, and scare others off!

I sit at my computer 7+ hours a day at work, and if I had a project, I think I might be able to get it done.  But when Elle sent me a list of everything that had to be done to become an assistant to the TDS gals, there was NO way I could do that.

I'm really willing, fairly sharp, and easily directed...but in counting the cost I'd have to play a small part and see how that would work.  I don't want to see the Forum waste away to nothing, or the TDS either.  I'll bet we can come to a compromise and it will draw lots of us into the work...many hands make the work light.

Bobby
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Bobby19in1963 on February 26, 2007, 11:33:01 AM
Don't get me wrong...I'm not being critical of those who did TDS.  They only told the truth about what the amount of work was.  What I want those in charge to know is that I am willing to help do a difined job that can be done during my work day between my assignments here.  I actually have lots of time, but I work in a busy office with 50 doctors, so I have to think of them first most of the time!  Put me in the pot and let me know how I can help.

Love ya'll,

Bobby
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rosewood on February 26, 2007, 01:13:38 PM
Since I read a helluva lot and seem to have some time almost daily to
check out the forum and such, I wouldn't mind keeping an eye out for
interesting tidbits that might work for TDS. i.e. anything remotely
having to do with BBM, film and short story, Annie Proulx, gay issues,
non-gay issues pertaining even obliquely to gay issues,
limited gossip re: our favorite cast, crew, director and writers,
etc, etc, etc.

Think of me as an advance scout.  ;)

I post on another website and do reviews and such, PLUS work
freelance, so I don't mean to imply that I have TONS of free time.
I don't. But my schedule is fairly flexible.
Except when it isn't.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on February 26, 2007, 01:59:51 PM
Yes, there a whole lot of people who do a lot here, but where are the rest of you?  How much do you want TDS and the Forum to continue?    Jan

Really great to hear your thoughts on this Jan!

mf
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: trubrokeback on February 26, 2007, 05:37:15 PM
I also agree with these last several posts.  I think what is scary (at least to me) was the thought of having to singlehandedly put together entire issues of TDS.  That just seems overwhelming for one person, which I guess explains why the handful of people who were doing it found that is was just too much.  But, dividing up the responsibilites into smaller chunks is a good idea, so that an issue of TDS would be the product of several folks rather than just one.  I'd be happy to do something pertaining to Photocaps, for instance. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: desperadum on February 26, 2007, 07:27:48 PM
Thank you - all of you - for your comments, suggestions and offers of help. They are all being read and noted by Dave and others as this situation is evaluated. Your input is greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on February 27, 2007, 08:04:51 AM
and i think some of the classic-posts research was done by the book people--though only one aspect of it, but it's a good start.

Just realized I didn't clarify the reference to classic posts:

The book  focused specifically on how people said the story, film and forum changed their lives. I've been referring to "classic posts" in a more general context. This forum has literally tens of thousands of posts now, and due to the numbers plus so many of them now being 'way back in long threads or even in archives, many people have never read them. And some who have read them months ago. One of the things I'd like people to look out for, and that I'll make an effort to search through, is memorable posts in general. I've run a few in the past few months and titled them "Forum Classics."
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: TwistsBitch on February 27, 2007, 10:29:57 AM
^^^ Like Photocaps Greatest Hits?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Nick_F on February 27, 2007, 12:21:52 PM


Yes, there a whole lot of people who do a lot here, but where are the rest of you?  How much do you want TDS and the Forum to continue?    Jan



Jan a very fine point that was made at the inception of TDS, and still relevant now.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: planetgal471 on February 27, 2007, 12:52:01 PM
I would be willing to do anything I could do, I just feel as if I don't know what ways there are to contribute. Maybe if there wa smore information about who is needed and in what capacity? I'm afraid to just put myself out to volunteer without really knowing what my job will entail. I'd be happy to take up fanfic reviews of that's an area of need, as I thought I saw it was, but I'm afraid that people would expect CYN and just get me instead-- hard shoes to fill. And I don't know what other needs there are. Maybe there needs to be a sort of selection of "job ads"-- volunteer positions that are well-defined and need filling?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Monica LoveEmBoys on February 27, 2007, 01:12:37 PM
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Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rob in Puyallup on February 27, 2007, 08:56:50 PM
Glad to know it wasn't just me with this experience!!!

Thank you for posting this!!!

Rob

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In the immediate duration, our members using an AOL Email address will not receive any PM Notifications, Thread Notifications, nor forwarded email if you have an @DaveCullen.com email address. 

If you have a non-AOL email address to use, it is highly recommended that you switch to that other account.    You may want to establish a free email account for this purpose.

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We will certainly let you know if anything changes regarding AOL's blocking of our emails, but please understand we are not optimistic in being able to get them to correct the situation.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on February 27, 2007, 09:47:50 PM
i have some pretty exciting news.

we had a management system for the forum that was working really well for the first eight to ten months of the forum. i had two to three direct reports, and all the various volunteers--up to 60 or more at a time--reported to or up through one of them. that allowed me to operate more or less like a ceo, working with them on major issues and strategy and talking through situations with them as they developed. they, in turn, were able to supervise all the different volunteers and keep lines of communication open in both directions.

initially, it was greg and meli reporting to me, and later we added jan(pete), and then linda working with meli in a deputy role. that was pretty successful until the departures of jan and greg, for very different reasons.

since then, i have been looking for a person who can take over as Chief Projects Director, and i've had my eye on lydia/kittyhawk for quite some time. i think a lot of you know her. she's been running the book project for a year now--since the day she proposed it and began recruiting the team--and has managed about 60 volunteers over the course of that time and done a really excellent job. i've been really impressed by her wisdom and her judgement, and have been hoping for quite some time to move her up into that role. meli and linda have also been involved discussing it for quite awhile.

i had thought we would wait until the book was finished--which will be soon--but we can really use her help, so i'm pleased to announce that she has agreed to accept the position on an interim basis.

i am really excited to get back to a place where we have every part of the forum managed effectively. and if we need more people at a senior level, we'll add more positions there over time. i want everyone who works for us in any capacity to have a voice: to be able to voice their ideas and concerns and to receive the attention they need.

i am really exicted to have lydia on board. she's going to be great.

as with meli and linda on the moderating side, i have complete trust in lydia, and when she speaks, she speaks for me. consider anything that comes from any of the three of them to have the same weight as if it came from me.

d
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on February 27, 2007, 10:29:28 PM
Thank you, Dave, for the announcement.  I have worked with Lydia (kittyhawk) on the Book project since it's inception, and have absolute faith in her.  I am so thrilled that she has accepted this position!  Thank you, Lydia, from all of us here on the Forum!  And Bless You, as you embark on what will surely not be an easy task, but one which is needed to keep this Forum thriving!   :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on February 27, 2007, 11:36:04 PM
As a member, I can't think of a better and more trustworthy, commonsensical person then Lydia to fill such a position. We will all benefit from your choice, Dave. You made one helluva good one .
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CactusGal on February 28, 2007, 05:29:11 AM
Way to go, Dave!   Lydia is A#1 in my book -- and aren't we lucky that she's williing to do this.  Now let's rally around and give her a hand!   Jan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: DCLuke on February 28, 2007, 06:54:32 AM
Lydia is a great choice!  Every interaction I have had with her has been top-notch and she is a terrific asset to the Forum. 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on February 28, 2007, 06:59:23 AM
Jack, Jackie, Jan, and Lucas, I appreciate your kind remarks.

You may live to regret them because I will most definitely ask for your help in tackling this big job.

Thanks, you all.

- Lydia
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: tfferg on February 28, 2007, 08:45:50 AM
I posted the following onth gay Bashing and the over 50 threads, but I thought it might be relevant to TDS:

The House of Representatives will soon be
considering a landmark federal hate crimes bill. This bill would
give law enforcement the tools they need to protect gay,
lesbian, bisexual and transgender individuals from hate crimes.


The Human Rights Campaign is asking all of us to contact our
Representative and urge him or her to cosponsor the Local Law
Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Please take action
today. Click here:
http://www.hrcactioncenter.org/campaign/hatecrimesrk=Hp2IFrM1uHMWW
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mountain boy on February 28, 2007, 09:00:54 AM
 ;D   Yay!! Congrats Lydia! You're the greatest!      :) :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BayCityJohn on February 28, 2007, 09:21:39 AM
Congratulations Lydia.

You can call on me for help anytime.

I'm still recovering from the weekend, I just need another couple of days to get re-organized at home.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Dave Cullen on February 28, 2007, 08:51:12 PM
thanks for the support on lydia, everyone. picking her was easy, talking her into it was the hard part. hehehe.

i had no idea how i was going to sway her. and then all of a sudden one night she blurted out, "ok, i'll do it." my first instinct was to race to the pc and announce it before she could change her mind.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on February 28, 2007, 08:55:21 PM
Thanks, Dave, and everyone.

I've survived one day in the new job and have been juggling about 2 of the 6 or 8 balls I'm supposed to juggle.
Maybe I can pick up another one tomorrow!   ;)

- Lydia
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on March 04, 2007, 10:06:38 AM
The current issue of the Daily Sheet is great, thanks Marcia!  Thanks to Eyelashers lembregts, trubrokeback and UltraViolet for contributing links to Jake's tv appearances.  I didn't get a chance to watch them all until last night.  My husband thought I was crazy I'm sure (well he already knows it but he keeps hoping it will get better someday)  :D

And thanks to all the other contributors (Rosewood, Ultraviolet again for the Zodiac reviews --)  Yes I know I'm leaving some out -- I don't mean to but it's quite an impressively long list -- I was just so impressed to see how many new contributors sent interesting articles to Marge_Innavera.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: desperadum on March 04, 2007, 11:06:11 AM
The current issue of the Daily Sheet is great, thanks Marcia!  Thanks to Eyelashers lembregts, trubrokeback and UltraViolet for contributing links to Jake's tv appearances.  It's true I compiled those for TDS but I didn't get a chance to watch them all until last night.  My husband thought I was crazy I'm sure (well he already knows it but he keeps hoping it will get better someday)  :D

And thanks to all the other contributors (Rosewood, Ultraviolet again for the Zodiac reviews --)  Yes I know I'm leaving some out -- I don't mean to but it's quite an impressively long list -- I was just so impressed to see how many new contributors sent interesting articles to Marge_Innavera.

I second that, Ellen - very well done and many thanks to Marcia and the others for contributing and pulling it all together!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on March 04, 2007, 02:53:04 PM
I loved the DS.

I'd missed Jakes appearances on TV, now thanks to the sheet I'm on top of matters Jake...

And the kiss beating Vivian Leigh and Clark Gable of all people, is really something to behold! The world has moved, I'm sure.

Thanks again for the fine work, you are precious.

Jean 

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: mary on March 04, 2007, 03:26:55 PM
I concur - the daily sheet looks great - it's so wonderful to have it back.

Thanks to everyone who helped to make it possible
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on March 04, 2007, 05:29:52 PM
Wonderful edition of TDS!  Thank you to all involved.  I, too, had missed most of Jake's tv appearances, so I appreciate the info and links.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on March 05, 2007, 07:43:36 AM
And the kiss beating Vivian Leigh and Clark Gable of all people, is really something to behold! The world has moved, I'm sure.

Thanks again for the fine work, you are precious.

And now Brokeback is showing up in college workshops and classrooms! there will be a story about that in one of the next few editions. Quite a sea change from the world I was growing up in duing the 1960s - some things have changed for the better.

Thanks so much everybody, for your encouragement and verbal bouquets.   :)

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on March 05, 2007, 07:45:53 AM
?

Is it excluded from now on to see more TDS-profiles, just because of the 'sondag'e' they're starting this week?

No, it's just a delay, mostly a result of the reorganization and the mountain of material to sort out. The profiles are popular, and they'll be back.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: johnbeene on March 05, 2007, 01:15:30 PM
This is interesting.  Maybe someone's already posted it.  I know I could talk about it for hours.... and I'm not a media scholar.

Media Scholar to Address 'Brokeback Mountain Humor' Tuesday Night

March 4, 2007, Greencastle, Ind. - David Weiss, a media scholar and assistant professor of communications at Montana State University - Billings, will come to DePauw this Tuesday, March 6. His lecture, "Did you hear the one about the gay cowboys?: Making Sense of Brokeback Mountain Humor," will begin at 7 p.m. in Watson Forum of the Pulliam Center for Contemporary Media. The event is free and open to all.

The lecture will examine the many parodies that followed the theatrical release of Brokeback Mountain, an acclaimed, Academy Award-winning film which was directed by Ang Lee. Dr. Weiss will explore a number of questions, including: Are the parodies homophobic? Humorous? How do they reflect social constructions Movie Reel Film.jpgof and reactions to gayness in contemporary American society?

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=19031
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on March 05, 2007, 02:15:34 PM
This is interesting.  Maybe someone's already posted it.  I know I could talk about it for hours.... and I'm not a media scholar.

Media Scholar to Address 'Brokeback Mountain Humor' Tuesday Night

March 4, 2007, Greencastle, Ind. - David Weiss, a media scholar and assistant professor of communications at Montana State University - Billings, will come to DePauw this Tuesday, March 6. His lecture, "Did you hear the one about the gay cowboys?: Making Sense of Brokeback Mountain Humor," will begin at 7 p.m. in Watson Forum of the Pulliam Center for Contemporary Media. The event is free and open to all.

The lecture will examine the many parodies that followed the theatrical release of Brokeback Mountain, an acclaimed, Academy Award-winning film which was directed by Ang Lee. Dr. Weiss will explore a number of questions, including: Are the parodies homophobic? Humorous? How do they reflect social constructions Movie Reel Film.jpgof and reactions to gayness in contemporary American society?

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=19031

Boy, would I love to attend to that one.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on March 05, 2007, 04:47:38 PM
Oh, I can just see this audience in my mind already. Billings?/ lolol

What i would do to be a fly on that wall.....
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on March 06, 2007, 09:04:25 AM
URGENT:This is the news we've all been waiting for:

http://www.davecullen.com/brokeback/book/index.html

I'm so happy and proud I can't find the words, all I could find is the most sincere Thank You.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Boris on March 06, 2007, 10:24:24 AM
URGENT:This is the news we've all been waiting for:

http://www.davecullen.com/brokeback/book/index.html

I'm so happy and proud I can't find the words, all I could find is the most sincere Thank You.



I am proud. So proud of this.

I would like to thank everyone ilvolved in person for achieving this, for making this book possible.

Love you all.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: atruant on March 06, 2007, 10:29:49 AM
Outstanding job!

Heartfelt thanks to everyone who worked so hard on this.

My book order is on its way.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: full measure on March 06, 2007, 11:45:56 AM
thank you daily sheet helpers, for doing what you do.  i really enjoy and appreciate the daily sheet, and i know it's a lot of work to do it, and do it again, and again.  thank you.

i especially like the news of gay rights around the states and around the world.  and the slash updates.  and the glimpses of parts of the forum i don't see regularly.

and the community.  thanks, you all.

kj
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on March 06, 2007, 01:20:51 PM
Thanks for all the kind comments about the book, and especially for your important idea of asking your friends to order now, Oregondoggie.

If you all want to do more book talk, discuss the book web site, etc. you might want to carry that over to The Book Project at
http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=8935.1380. There are other folks over there with comments, too.

That way this thread can concentrate more on feedback to The Daily Sheet.

Thanks again for your comments. I hope it lives up to your expectations.

- Lydia

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on March 07, 2007, 02:04:41 AM
CONGRATULATIONS

on this incredibly achievement of putting the book together

(I know what that means!)

and on continuing in such an inspired and inspiring way the DS.

I'm proud of and happy for both events!

MERCI!

 :-*

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on March 07, 2007, 09:54:46 AM
This issue of TDS had everything I look for: recollection of highpoints from past Forum activities, something about Beyond Brokeback, of course ;), some news items I hadn't heard about, something funny—with the bonus this time of being an international item, and something to put a lump in my throat. Not to mention the attractive graphics and layout. Thanks for all that.

- KittyHawk
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: atruant on March 07, 2007, 11:32:24 AM
Excellent TDS today!

I think you have nailed down a good formula for success ;D.

Cheers,
John
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: sfericsf on March 07, 2007, 12:47:24 PM
Yes, excellent TDS today!  ;D  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: louisev on March 08, 2007, 12:08:39 AM
I am really happy and proud to be able to join the Daily Sheet !  And now that I am "Down Under" I will get a chance to meet other Australian Brokies, find out how important Brokeback is to them, and share mine and other expats whose lives have been enriched by being a fan of this magnificent story and film.

And who knows - there is always a possibility I will get to meet Heath!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on March 08, 2007, 02:01:39 AM

The new TDS from March 7 is fabulous! I read it with the greatest interest and pleasure.
Congrats!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: nova on March 09, 2007, 06:22:43 AM
It's great to see the positive developments here this week, with our book going to publishing and the new schedule of TDS.  The enthusiasm we're seeing for the marketing (and buying) of Beyond Brokeback:  The Impact of a Film is fantastic!
Reading TDS has always been one of the first things I've done every day, and being an early riser I'm often one of the first to read it.

Since TDS needs a new name, here's a suggestion to get the ball rolling........The Forum Informer.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on March 09, 2007, 07:18:03 AM


Alluding to the first scenes of the movie, make it:


The Brokeback
Signal[/b]






Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: BayCityJohn on March 09, 2007, 07:36:06 AM
New Title:


Tell You What...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Bobby19in1963 on March 09, 2007, 09:01:49 AM
Well, we can't use daily anymore...otherwise The Daily Impact sounded good, with reference to our book

Aaaaghghgh!  This is hard!  I remember how much fun we had naming the book.

How about just plain .... Wut?  ....   We certainly look to it regularly for wut's happening.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on March 09, 2007, 09:09:07 AM
 ;D ;D ;D

You guys are cracking me up!  So many good suggestions, too!  Keep it up! 
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on March 09, 2007, 09:39:28 AM
A Big Thank You for the revamped Daily Sheet, by what ever name!  And kudos to all who have worked to bring it to us.  I, too, am loving the naming possibilities.  I don't have a creative bone in my body, so I can't think of a name myself, but, everyone else, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on March 09, 2007, 10:12:29 AM

I second that - it's when you don't have it around every day anymore, then you miss it the most!

But I think the Monday-Wednesday-Friday solution seems a good one!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on March 09, 2007, 11:05:48 AM
hmmm title...how about

THE WIND

as in: "Well, look what the wind blew in!"

(I was also reading an Annie Proulx article where she talked a lot about how the wind informed much of daily life in the western plains and I thought the use of the word "informed" in terms of the wind affecting people was such a creative way to put it.)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: atruant on March 09, 2007, 11:10:23 AM
How about:

The Brokeback Banner

John
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Bobby19in1963 on March 09, 2007, 01:37:38 PM
My problem is that I always think of explanations...like, I'd have a longer title that would say ... The Wind - Informing Us Daily, or something like that.  Loved what you said.

Bobby

hmmm title...how about

THE WIND

as in: "Well, look what the wind blew in!"

(I was also reading an Annie Proulx article where she talked a lot about how the wind informed much of daily life in the western plains and I thought the use of the word "informed" in terms of the wind affecting people was such a creative way to put it.)

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on March 09, 2007, 01:38:44 PM
Tell You What
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: chapeaugris on March 09, 2007, 01:52:54 PM
The Fix
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lance on March 09, 2007, 02:02:18 PM
New title for TDS?

hm...


The Brokeback Report
All the News from Film to Print

?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lance on March 09, 2007, 02:05:51 PM
I like bb_1's idea. Quote from dialog, simple, allusive, and general enough to allow inclusion of pretty much anything there is to tell.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on March 09, 2007, 02:32:25 PM
Thank You lance, that was very nice of you to say.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on March 09, 2007, 02:37:46 PM
New Title:


Tell You What...
like this one :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on March 09, 2007, 02:40:07 PM

The Brokeback Report
All the News from Film to Print

?

(hey we now have two great minds thinking alike, bb1 and Bay City John)  (Hi montezumae)

all of these responses are so great, I hate to single out one but all the news from film to print really made me smile.

This thread is absolutley brightening my day.  (The Fix!)  LOL
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lance on March 09, 2007, 03:05:54 PM
New Title:


Tell You What...
like this one :)

Oops. Sorry about that John, I didn't see that you'd done that one, too.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: gb-dc on March 09, 2007, 08:27:42 PM
Here' my idea for the new TDS name.

(http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r258/goaboydc/Cow-n-Calf.jpg)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on March 09, 2007, 08:32:25 PM
Oh, goaboydc...I LOVE that!  We may have a winner, folks!

But, I still love "Tell You What."  Arrggghhh!!!!!!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: stookslady on March 09, 2007, 11:43:56 PM
My little suggestion, for what its worth...

Whisky Spring
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on March 10, 2007, 02:13:05 AM
TELL YOU WHAT:
Chronicles Of a Little  Cow and Calf Operation
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on March 10, 2007, 04:31:02 AM
TELL YOU WHAT:
Chronicles Of a Little Cow and Calf Operation

Probably not only a perfect compromise, but really the IDEAL title.
I'd omit "little" & "operation" though.

Let's make it:

Tell you what
The Brokeback Cow and Calf Chronicle



That has a good rhythm to it.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Trigger Hippie on March 10, 2007, 12:30:51 PM
Nice work Ellen and team.

Congrats to all volunteers on the book, you all did a great job.  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on March 11, 2007, 12:55:05 AM
You can always have a subheading for more boring/routine bits
The Saddle Catalog
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on March 11, 2007, 01:44:31 AM
lmao
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on March 11, 2007, 09:36:06 AM
You can always have a subheading for more boring/routine bits
The Saddle Catalog


LOL I love this, but I would change just one word!  One man's boring is another man's --  saddle catalog.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lance on March 11, 2007, 02:04:26 PM
Yeah, I wouldn't say ''boring'' at all. If I'm interested in a particular sort of gear, there ain't hardly nuthin more interestin than a catalog of such items.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on March 11, 2007, 02:59:42 PM
I like Jacks's Tell you what

I've been fiddling with The Coffee Pot Gazette or The Campfire Tribune 

Not sure.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on March 11, 2007, 05:12:42 PM
I like Jacks's Tell you what

I've been fiddling with The Coffee Pot Gazette or The Campfire Tribune 

Not sure.
Jean, to be fair...it was BCJohn who first came up with that title:  Tell You What.  And I do like it so...thank heavens I don't have to be the final decision maker.   :D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: janjo on March 11, 2007, 05:28:08 PM
How does "The Brokeback Mountain Times" grab you?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on March 11, 2007, 09:15:41 PM
Jean, to be fair...it was BCJohn who first came up with that title:  Tell You What.  And I do like it so...thank heavens I don't have to be the final decision maker.   :D
Oh! Sorry BCJohn, thanks Jackie, I shoulda put my electric powered glasses on. ;D
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on March 11, 2007, 09:48:56 PM
yep John thought of it too, and don't forget he said it first!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: gres on March 12, 2007, 08:30:55 AM
What about "News from Brokeback Village"

And i  do like the "Tell You What" and MZ's  "Saddle Catalog"
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on March 12, 2007, 01:07:27 PM
Enjoyed the Turing article in TDS today.  I looked at the sites that accompany it and they do not mention two films that might be of interest to people that deal with Alan Turing.  One is "Enigma" with Kate WInslet and Dougray Scott.  Reviewers have said this one plays fast & loose with the facts about Turing, but is a good film nevertheless.  Another,and considered better in terms of Turing, was adapted from the stage play of the same name, titled "Breaking the Code."  Derek Jacoby plays Turing in this one.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Oregondoggie on March 12, 2007, 02:27:21 PM
Thanks for covering the nascent campaign to get Annie Proulx The Nobel Prize for Literature. "Lynne's" hopes are justified.  The long list of recipients includes writers whose works arise from social injustice.  It ain't for just pure poetry!

But the site on Yahoo for The Nobel Prize (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nominate_annie/) requires a Yahoo membership...  This may slow down the process.  It may not happen quite yet, but it will.  A dedicated thread on our site for The Nobel Prize would be a good idea, separate from the existing Annie Proulx thread.

Meanwhile, academic word of mouth will help.  Our forum is an astonishingly well-connected herd.  We've grazed with friends from many different flocks.  This meadow is lush.   
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: richchan on March 12, 2007, 04:49:23 PM
As a suggestion, why not include the publication days (M,W and F)as a graphic design element and name it "Members Weekly Forum" or "Members Weekly Freelancer."

(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u316/richchanstev/DCFNameplateSuggestion.jpg)

I attach an example of this concept. The image actually belongs to "Julien-Paris, France" and was taken from the Finding Brokeback.com site.

A tag line like "Published by the members of the Dave Cullen Forum to promote the Spirit of Brokeback Mountain" could also reinforce the Mission Statement just published.

Just a thought...

Richchan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: desperadum on March 12, 2007, 09:04:42 PM
That was a fine issue today. Lyle, I was fortunate to see Derek Jacoby as Turing in Breaking the Code on Broadway a number of years ago - riveting perrformance on his part.

As much as I'd like to see Annie Proulx nominated, I'm afraid that even with a vigorous campaign behind her, for a variety of reasons she is an unlikely Nobel winner. So many factors lie behind this, political and otherwise - most often it's given for a body of work (Faulkner, Pinter) , and brilliant as hers is, it is not copious by any stretch. Still it would be a wonderful tihng to see! Perhaps someday.

I don't think it's appropriate for me to endorse any one of the numerous new names for TDS, but suffice to say there are some great ideas!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on March 13, 2007, 04:27:47 AM
And a very cool marketing director is now aboard. What a ton of work she has taken on! And what a person --no, JUST the person --to do it.

Thank you for doing this huge job Ellen!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: KittyHawk on March 13, 2007, 06:48:11 AM
What creative ideas for the title for our Forum newsletter! I'm enjoying reading them all.

And richchan, thanks for your ideas, not only for a title, but artwork and a tagline! A complete package, and all from a relatively new poster! Not only "Thanks!" but also "Welcome!" to you.

- KittyHawk
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: richchan on March 13, 2007, 04:23:39 PM
I had one other new idea today. More "cowpoke" than the first: "Campfire Chronicle" or maybe "The Campfire Chronicle."

Art is shown below.

(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u316/richchanstev/DCFNameplateSuggestionTwo.jpg)

"Just thinkin outload..."

Richchan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: richchan on March 13, 2007, 04:56:53 PM
Apparently, the server doesn't like my IP number since my attempts to modify the above post say the session verification failed. So...I'll post the revised art in a new post. Sorry about the confusion.

(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u316/richchanstev/DCFNameplateSuggestionTwo-Revised.jpg)

Richchan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on March 14, 2007, 12:53:29 PM
We could just LEAVE the name The Daily Sheet as well...

After all, The Saturday Evening Post didn't change it's name
when it changed in various ways, ending up being just a
monthly magazine...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: louisev on March 14, 2007, 09:45:04 PM
Interestingly enough, one of the better stories regarding the Enigma Code and Alan Turing may be found in fiction:  look for "The Cryptonomicon" by Bruce Sterling.

I won't spoil it for you but the book is - utterly fascinating.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: LSky94 on March 14, 2007, 10:33:01 PM
I don't have an opinion really, about name changes, but richchan those are some nice pix/graphics you have there, especially the most recent one.  Its like Jack and Ennis are nestled in or being enveloped by the mountains (think: secure, safe).  And the fire, warmth, like it represents something between them.  Don't know if you intended it that way, but it comes across like that, IMO.  Nice job.   Even if you guys decide to keep the Daily Sheet name, it would be nice to see that graphic up somewhere on the site, it says a lot.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: richchan on March 15, 2007, 11:13:56 AM
LSky94

Thanks so much for your kind words about the images. That concept about the "warmth" of the fire and the embrace of the mountains is just the idea I had in designing it.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I also altered it into an animated GIF file to further the concept. It's shown below. Unfortunately, the GIF format uses a limited color palette, so there are dithering patterns in the image used to simulate some colors so it looks a bit grainier. There is also an additional 150kb overhead resulting in longer download time. Is the effect worth it? I don't know...

(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u316/richchanstev/DCFNewsletterNameplate-aminated-sho.gif)

Whatever the new name of TDS, I'm sure it'll continue to be a terrific publication. I have been quite impressed with the two recent issues!

Richchan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: LSky94 on March 15, 2007, 06:42:04 PM
richchan,

yw. The animated GIF image is actually better since it appears to "blend" into the scenery better.  The plain graphic is more imposing by comparison.    Even without the lettering I think the pic is still nice and says a lot.  And yeah, the TDS page is always a good thing to read.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on March 16, 2007, 12:25:12 PM
Quote
An Endangered Bookseller Species
Contributed by Rosewood
"Gay's The Word," Britain’s only gay and lesbian bookshop, is threatened with closure in the wake of rising rents and competition from online buying; and "its celebrity customers are at the forefront of a campaign to save it.

It’s a case of use us or lose us,” said store manager Jim MacSweeney.

I know that many people don't realize what a valuable service these bookstores are until they don't have them any more.  In Los Angeles, one of the two branches of A Different Light had to close and I remember hearing a customer ask one of the store managers why it was closing because every time he was in there the store was crowded.  The manager said that guys came in to see all the new things etc. and then went home and ordered them from amazon or someplace else...

 :(
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on March 16, 2007, 12:54:08 PM
Are people done posting ideas for the name of TDS, or are some being submitted by PM that we haven't heard?

I've liked:

Tell You What

Brokeback Times or Brokeback Mountain Times
Don't need THE in this case.  No "the".

I also really love

The Brokeback Ledger

That is unique.  It's clever.  It definitely ties in!  If you googled it, there'd be less choices there I believe...

I find it interesting that most people who did not like the "the close second survey choice" name for the title of the book coming out to be UP ON BROKEBACK, was because Aguirre says it in his trailer, which I found to be a lame reason, but if you type in "Up on Brokeback" in google--NOTHING MUCH comes up and that title would've been there at the top of the google search.

For What It's Worth
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on March 16, 2007, 01:32:38 PM

Loved TDS edition of today, especially the chapeaugris profile! Chapeau!  ( = bravo) !  ;)


Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: chapeaugris on March 16, 2007, 02:28:20 PM
I find it interesting that most people who did not like the "the close second survey choice" name for the title of the book coming out to be UP ON BROKEBACK, was because Aguirre says it in his trailer, which I found to be a lame reason, but if you type in "Up on Brokeback" in google--NOTHING MUCH comes up and that title would've been there at the top of the google search.
Yes, but how many people are going to google "up on brokeback"?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: michaelflanagansf on March 16, 2007, 04:37:47 PM
Quote
An Endangered Bookseller Species
Contributed by Rosewood
"Gay's The Word," Britain’s only gay and lesbian bookshop, is threatened with closure in the wake of rising rents and competition from online buying; and "its celebrity customers are at the forefront of a campaign to save it.

It’s a case of use us or lose us,” said store manager Jim MacSweeney.

I know that many people don't realize what a valuable service these bookstores are until they don't have them any more.  In Los Angeles, one of the two branches of A Different Light had to close and I remember hearing a customer ask one of the store managers why it was closing because every time he was in there the store was crowded.  The manager said that guys came in to see all the new things etc. and then went home and ordered them from amazon or someplace else...

 :(

This is indeed true, Lyle and follows the demise of Women's bookstores.  One of the truly sad things is that those stores enable people to get together for readings and events.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: janjo on March 17, 2007, 02:09:31 PM
Are people done posting ideas for the name of TDS, or are some being submitted by PM that we haven't heard?

I've liked:

Tell You What

Brokeback Times or Brokeback Mountain Times
Don't need THE in this case.  No "the".

I also really love

The Brokeback Ledger

That is unique.  It's clever.  It definitely ties in!  If you googled it, there'd be less choices there I believe...

I find it interesting that most people who did not like the "the close second survey choice" name for the title of the book coming out to be UP ON BROKEBACK, was because Aguirre says it in his trailer, which I found to be a lame reason, but if you type in "Up on Brokeback" in google--NOTHING MUCH comes up and that title would've been there at the top of the google search.

For What It's Worth

Is there any way we can have "Brokeback Times" or "Brokeback Mountain Times" with the wonderful "Campfire Chronicle " graphics?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: CellarDweller115 on March 17, 2007, 02:18:29 PM
Thanks for the great profile on chapeaugris!  This feature is my favorite part of TDS.

Many thanks as well to BrokenOkie, for his previous work on the forum finances.  Thanks as well to BayCityJohn, for stepping up to fill that empty space, with BrokenOkie's departure as forum accountant.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on March 19, 2007, 05:50:57 AM
I will see Premonition just to support Dave's bud.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on March 19, 2007, 03:08:31 PM
Great Sheet today. I especially enjoyed the piece from the Guardian, oh what the heck, I loved it all....
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on March 19, 2007, 04:28:03 PM
Hi John John
I just read a whole raft of bloggers' responses to Zoe W and the general drift is that she's (regrettably) a bit optimistic. Straight men are saying they are fed up of being propositioned by gay men etc. However, personally I do think there has been a sea change in the UK. Even (straight - I suppose) men friends I have always thought of as reactionaries seem to think it's cool to approve of gays these days (as long - of course - as they don't proposition them  ;D).
Great sheet today!! SO good to have it back!. Thanks to all. And it was really interesting to read about chapeaugris - thanks chapeaugris!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rob in Puyallup on March 19, 2007, 08:02:30 PM
Gnash...

Jimmy... 'The Package' was beautiful!!! It's good news to think that Ennis was able to take Jack back to Brokeback where he belongs.

You brought a tear to my eye,
Rob
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: LSky94 on March 20, 2007, 01:43:20 AM
Gnash...

Jimmy... 'The Package' was beautiful!!! It's good news to think that Ennis was able to take Jack back to Brokeback where he belongs.

You brought a tear to my eye,
Rob

Very beautiful, indeed.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: richchan on March 20, 2007, 09:51:48 AM
A hearty third to the above posts! The Package is touching. Thank you Gnash, for putting it together!!

richchan
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on March 20, 2007, 11:24:14 AM

I loved the report on gay-friendly education in TDS.

Even more so after what I had to hear in the news today about the scandalous events going on in Poland
these days...


Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on March 20, 2007, 11:27:18 AM
Brokeback Mountain at the University of Maryland?  I live five minutes from there!  Now to find out if they let the public in.  ;D

Jimmy, The Package is brilliant, and moving.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on March 20, 2007, 12:26:29 PM
Brokeback Mountain at the University of Maryland?  I live five minutes from there!  Now to find out if they let the public in.  ;D

If they do let the public in, you (editors) should list it on the TDS events.

Quote
Even (straight - I suppose) men friends I have always thought of as reactionaries seem to think it's cool to approve of gays these days (as long - of course - as they don't proposition them).

Montezumae--is it the propositioning they don't like or just the fact someone might have thought they were gay?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on March 20, 2007, 04:14:06 PM
Hello Lyle - to be honest I thought it was just good old-fashioned irritation. But then I wouldn't like to be propositioned while trying to do my hair in the ladies' loo (=restroom) - which is the male equivalent of what  this was about.  As far as I know women aren't subjected to that particular form of harassment.
But they are subjected to most other forms  :D
- and have learnt to make their excuses and leave (as they say).
But what would I know about this? I was never in a gents' loo unless I walked through the wrong door by mistake...and ran out again...
- oh actually - that is confusing two comments about being propositioned - but let it stand for now...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: janjo on March 20, 2007, 05:28:37 PM
I just read "The Package" and wept!

Thank you Gnash!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: lauren on March 20, 2007, 06:44:11 PM


Thank you Gnash, for "The Package." It really does look like Ennis on that horse. Just beautiful, and sad.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on March 21, 2007, 06:15:22 AM
Gnash's piece has real-life echoes for me. One of my oldest woman friends had a quite serious relationship with another, somewhat older, woman. Eventually the older woman died of cancer and the younger one is, many years later, still grieving in some ways. She took the ashes of the older one back to the mountain cottage where we had all had several memorable walking holidays, and that's where she scattered the ashes. I and my friend have revisited this beautiful spot together on several occasions. I have asked her whether she'd like to go back to the spot for a walking holiday (the cottage can now be rented commercially) but she says, no, it's too painful. I'm sure it must be.
Thank you gnash, and it's good to know that this lovely piece resonated with so many of you.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on March 21, 2007, 09:31:38 AM
Gonzo, welcome back!  It's good to see you back with TDS, as well!  :-*
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: gnash on March 21, 2007, 11:33:22 PM
i'm so glad you guys enjoyed my drabble! i guess i'm happy if it made you cry, too. needless to say i shed a few tears writing it. thanks again to james bama for providing the inspiration for that piece, and of course to annie proulx for the everything. :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: lorna59 on March 22, 2007, 07:30:34 AM
Thank you for the Daily Sheet which I always read.

I especially enjoyed gnash's The Package piece which appeared on Monday with the extrodianary illustration : Riding the Rim by James Bama, from the Jerry. W. Horn Gallery.

The Before and After special effects by Buzz Image, on Wednesday was also a highlight.

Thank you to everyone involved with The Daily Sheet.

Lorna
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on March 22, 2007, 05:23:41 PM
Thanks, Lorna. Welcome to the Forum!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: killersmom on March 22, 2007, 06:19:36 PM
Gnash's piece has real-life echoes for me. One of my oldest woman friends had a quite serious relationship with another, somewhat older, woman. Eventually the older woman died of cancer and the younger one is, many years later, still grieving in some ways. She took the ashes of the older one back to the mountain cottage where we had all had several memorable walking holidays, and that's where she scattered the ashes. I and my friend have revisited this beautiful spot together on several occasions. I have asked her whether she'd like to go back to the spot for a walking holiday (the cottage can now be rented commercially) but she says, no, it's too painful. I'm sure it must be.
Thank you gnash, and it's good to know that this lovely piece resonated with so many of you.

This echoes real life for me as well. We scattered my husbands ashes at the place he loved the most, the family ranch. I too cannot return to that place, but know he is where he wants to be. This poem brings it home for me as well. Thanks Jimmy. Once again BB resonates real life to many of us.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on March 23, 2007, 08:18:16 AM
Boris, Marcia, gnash, thanks for the international news.  I love those little flags.  :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Monica LoveEmBoys on March 23, 2007, 09:52:08 AM
Regarding that AFI site and voting for your favorite movie ever.  I'm quite late to this party, but went and entered my comment today.  But I've seen elsewhere... I thought... that you could get a ranking of the movies voted on by the public.  Is that available?  I could not find it anywhere.

(and yes, the voting process was incredibly cumbersome)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on March 23, 2007, 11:01:53 AM
Monica, I believe that information would not be available til after the program in which the rankings by the AFI are shown. Sometime in June, I believe.  I was a juror for the AFI, and, of course voted for Brokeback. That is not as exciting as it may sound.  All members of AFI, such as me, get to vote, then all our votes are tallied and that final reckoning is equal to ONE vote in the whole process, with professional jurors making up the balance of the voters. But, it is fun to feel a microscopic part of the process.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on March 23, 2007, 04:34:17 PM
Gnash's piece has real-life echoes for me. One of my oldest woman friends had a quite serious relationship with another, somewhat older, woman. Eventually the older woman died of cancer and the younger one is, many years later, still grieving in some ways. She took the ashes of the older one back to the mountain cottage where we had all had several memorable walking holidays, and that's where she scattered the ashes. I and my friend have revisited this beautiful spot together on several occasions. I have asked her whether she'd like to go back to the spot for a walking holiday (the cottage can now be rented commercially) but she says, no, it's too painful. I'm sure it must be.
Thank you gnash, and it's good to know that this lovely piece resonated with so many of you.

This echoes real life for me as well. We scattered my husbands ashes at the place he loved the most, the family ranch. I too cannot return to that place, but know he is where he wants to be. This poem brings it home for me as well. Thanks Jimmy. Once again BB resonates real life to many of us.
Well, that's very much closer to home. My condolences. I'm sorry. Actually  I can't really imagine how painful that must be for the people concerned. This piece gave me some sense of it. I only know how I felt after my mother died, and that shook me hard enough.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rob in Puyallup on March 23, 2007, 09:08:01 PM
Gnash's piece has real-life echoes for me. One of my oldest woman friends had a quite serious relationship with another, somewhat older, woman. Eventually the older woman died of cancer and the younger one is, many years later, still grieving in some ways. She took the ashes of the older one back to the mountain cottage where we had all had several memorable walking holidays, and that's where she scattered the ashes. I and my friend have revisited this beautiful spot together on several occasions. I have asked her whether she'd like to go back to the spot for a walking holiday (the cottage can now be rented commercially) but she says, no, it's too painful. I'm sure it must be.
Thank you gnash, and it's good to know that this lovely piece resonated with so many of you.

This echoes real life for me as well. We scattered my husbands ashes at the place he loved the most, the family ranch. I too cannot return to that place, but know he is where he wants to be. This poem brings it home for me as well. Thanks Jimmy. Once again BB resonates real life to many of us.
Well, that's very much closer to home. My condolences. I'm sorry. Actually  I can't really imagine how painful that must be for the people concerned. This piece gave me some sense of it. I only know how I felt after my mother died, and that shook me hard enough.

Yes, this I can understand.

Though I was not really close with my mother, her death put so much in prospective for me. By far her death was the hardest thing I've ever faced.

After her funeral at the Tahoma National Cemetary outside Auburn, Washington, it was I who put her ashes, in that urn perchased in the "Little Vietnam" district in Tacoma, in that vault. With that urn with her ashes is an "ET" stuffed toy, some roses and many hot burning memories that only cause our family pain...
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on March 25, 2007, 12:47:38 AM
I LOVE the international section, just love it, and hope it becomes permanent. Thanks, it was a real surprise!

{ Oh--health note to my fellow males on DCF----most males do not believe they get sick when they get sick. ' It will go away.'
It won't...all week I felt lousy, was forced to go to the doctor and guess what, 'tis the flu lol }
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rob in Puyallup on March 25, 2007, 08:58:48 AM
I LOVE the international section, just love it, and hope it becomes permanent. Thanks, it was a real surprise!

{ Oh--health note to my fellow males on DCF----most males do not believe they get sick when they get sick. ' It will go away.'
It won't...all week I felt lousy, was forced to go to the doctor and guess what, 'tis the flu lol }

Had the flu a couple weeks ago myself... Nasty bug, that!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Rosewood on March 26, 2007, 01:08:18 PM
I just read "The Package" and wept!

Thank you Gnash!

Me too.
Absolutely beautiful.
Perfection.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Jannis on March 26, 2007, 04:20:29 PM
Hi! I just wanted to say that only the first line of the photo cap of the day is mine. The rest are by the brilliant tfmisc.

Here it is. :)

http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=17834.msg795350#msg795350

Thanks to everyone for doing a great job on the DS!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: WLAGuy on March 26, 2007, 09:28:47 PM
"More From "Code of the West"

...

-- Never shoot a woman no matter what."

Just this once, couldn't we make an exception for Ann Coulter?
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on March 26, 2007, 09:45:09 PM
Hi! I just wanted to say that only the first line of the photo cap of the day is mine. The rest are by the brilliant tfmisc.

Thanks - I went back and added that to the byline.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Cookie on March 27, 2007, 11:43:42 AM
It was a nice surprise to see the report on me and Janie meeting, thank you! :)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ChrisW on March 27, 2007, 03:03:34 PM
Yes, this I can understand.

Though I was not really close with my mother, her death put so much in prospective for me. By far her death was the hardest thing I've ever faced.

After her funeral at the Tahoma National Cemetary outside Auburn, Washington, it was I who put her ashes, in that urn perchased in the "Little Vietnam" district in Tacoma, in that vault. With that urn with her ashes is an "ET" stuffed toy, some roses and many hot burning memories that only cause our family pain...
For me too, Rob. A long time ago in my case, but an indelible knowledge of what a major process recovery from bereavement is. Your last year has been such a joy to hear about; it's so good to hear about the positive side. It has given hope to so many people.
added on March 28th -
- she would have been 89 today (see mourning thread) - thanks again for the support Rob and Linda.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on March 28, 2007, 03:37:14 AM
"More From "Code of the West"

...

-- Never shoot a woman no matter what."

Just this once, couldn't we make an exception for Ann Coulter?
Now Joe: if we make exceptions for people like Anne >:D Coulter exceptions will be made for other people. People like  Paris Hilton. Brittany Spears.

Where will it end???

We must forgive them, and in AC's case hope she goes on writing. Bit by bit, she destroys and discredits herself.

Why help that woman do anything at all......just sit back and watch.

On the other hand there IS Brittany's braindead Fed-Ex, searching the world for his lost penis. But that would probably come under the category of a mercy killing. ::)

And he IS a guy, I think.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on March 28, 2007, 09:49:46 AM
OMG...Dave is REAL?!?!?  Thank you, Jan, for putting the truth out there!   :D  And, he's even cuter in that picture than in the ones he's put up before.  ;)

Jack (Brokeback_1), I can't wait for part 2 of your Cowboy in NYC story.  What an amazing piece of serendipity to run into the Chinese gentlemen on the subway...that story was delightful.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Lyle (Mooska) on April 01, 2007, 12:07:36 PM
If you guys haven't seen it, check
out today's TDS!

http://www.davecullen.com/forum/index.php?topic=208.msg814297#msg814297

(It should be linked in the box!)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on April 01, 2007, 01:54:50 PM
I have a thing for gorgonzola.

LOL
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marc on April 02, 2007, 10:48:58 AM
Today's TDS has an item about equality bills being considered in New Hampshire, and refers to the U.S. Constitution's requirement that states recognize other states' contracts. 

I want to pass along a caveat to those who think the Constitution will force/encourage/something states to accept other states' same-sex marriage laws or contracts.  There is always a public policy argument available against forcing that kind of acceptance. 

And the example I always use is:  suppose Utah brought back polygamy.  It's safe to predict the Constitution would not force other states to recognize a polygamous marriage, or a polygamous contract.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on April 03, 2007, 07:34:44 AM
Today's TDS has an item about equality bills being considered in New Hampshire, and refers to the U.S. Constitution's requirement that states recognize other states' contracts. 

I want to pass along a caveat to those who think the Constitution will force/encourage/something states to accept other states' same-sex marriage laws or contracts.  There is always a public policy argument available against forcing that kind of acceptance. 

And the example I always use is:  suppose Utah brought back polygamy.  It's safe to predict the Constitution would not force other states to recognize a polygamous marriage, or a polygamous contract.

Very true. Quite a few people are devoted to the Constitution as long as it's convenient. And, as a major character in the book Holocaust said: "as a lawyer, I know that any action can be defended."
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: graylockV on April 03, 2007, 04:49:54 PM
"More From "Code of the West"

...

-- Never shoot a woman no matter what."

Just this once, couldn't we make an exception for Ann Coulter?

Are we sure she's a woman? 

Reptiles are not covered by the Code of the West!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on April 06, 2007, 10:23:27 AM
"More From "Code of the West"

...

-- Never shoot a woman no matter what."

Just this once, couldn't we make an exception for Ann Coulter?

Are we sure she's a woman? 

Reptiles are not covered by the Code of the West!


Maybe the Marquess of Queensbury is hiding behind the code of the West!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Brokeback_1 on April 06, 2007, 10:36:47 AM
Ellen...lol
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on April 06, 2007, 12:35:50 PM
[John Sholto Douglas, the 9th Marquess of Queensberry, might have thrashed you for calling him “she”.

Not now - I just went back and re-worded that, thanks.

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: john john on April 06, 2007, 04:04:00 PM
Great Sheet yet again.

And oh Nax, I'm also Magic Flute obsessed. That Papageno guy  is sooo sweet.

Jack, your trip to NY is a riot!

And about those Buzz Image special effects from BBM, I checked out where these people where and they're about five blocks from where I live here in Montreal! The friggin special effects where made in my neighbourhood !!! yeaaaaaahhhhhhhh

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: killersmom on April 06, 2007, 07:55:37 PM
What a wonderful Sheet from beginning to end!
They are usually always great, but this was one I read from start to finish.
Thanks so much for an excellent paper!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: ingmarnicebbmt on April 07, 2007, 03:53:53 AM

I loved yesterday's TDS very much as well, in particular Nax's profile & I appreciate the international updates on gay issues!

Keep the good work coming!

Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: louisev on April 09, 2007, 01:13:39 AM
I am sorry so many of the DC readers found my "American Brokie" series to be too personally oriented to be meaningful to you.  I have asked, and received reply from the other international contributors I have met on my travels, and while it was meaningful to them, their interest in contributing after the initial poor response here has waned.  So I will not be continuing with the series at this time.

I will consider writing some future articles if the mood changes or if there is some reason to extend an international hand from the other side of the chasm to this. 

Regretfully,

Louisev
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Ellen (tellyouwhat) on April 09, 2007, 09:26:49 AM
The Daily Sheet welcomes all submissions from members.  International stories and writers will continue to be an important part of our publication.

Whenever we have needed to reject any story, the author has been told why, and, as in the above case, he or she has been given the chance to re-submit.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: paintedshoes on April 09, 2007, 10:29:10 AM
Excellent TDS again today.  I especially enjoy the FindingBrokeback stories.  Thanks, Jim.  The info about the cowboy hats was cute.  ;)
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Jer009 on April 09, 2007, 03:21:49 PM
You folks do a great job every day, so thanks! The story about the cowboy hats was especially informative...I've bookmarked the site for later. Thank you again!
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Marge_Innavera on April 10, 2007, 07:42:18 AM
You folks do a great job every day, so thanks! The story about the cowboy hats was especially informative...I've bookmarked the site for later. Thank you again!

That site is quite a resource - every imaginable style, some history, etiquette, even cleaning and sizing info.
Title: Re: Respond to The Daily Sheet
Post by: Jer009 on April 11, 2007, 09:36:49 AM