All other scenes including truck scenes, Thanksgiving scenes, alley scenes, and other

[gattaca]

^^^ I like these questions... this is an angle / element I'd never considered before.   

BLUF: My gut says IF Aguirre had confronted Ennis, that would have destroyed Ennis, maybe gotten Aguirre beaten up or worse yet, killed by Ennis.  Likely gotten Jack killed by Ennis's hand and then Ennis would have suicided out.   A double tragedy.

a) I agree 100% with what's posted earlier by royandronnie, Gillian, and CellarDweller115.

b) I'll add these, I believe: 

1 > Ennis might have exploded violently with Aguirre, right then - right there.   Why?  I reference two scenes: 

a) how he responded when Alma confronted him (at Thanksgiving Dinner).  He, short-circuited, got very angry, stormed out of her house - like b/c he feared he might hurt her and then picked a fight with the guy in the truck.  Ennis, I believe, had a volcanic temper that subtle and controlled - until someone pushed the wrong button.   Look at the rage in his face, his clinched fist, just trembling ready strike Alma for what she said about him and Jack.

   watch the entire clip -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5GIlEwPa7I

b) The "I wish I knew how to quit you" scene where Ennis tells Jack, "What I don't know, all them things I don't know...could get you killed if I come to know them..."   Assemble those elements and we have an explosive hot button with Ennis.

   ~ 45-60 seconds into -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVK6yLqY54w

2 > Ennis might have committed suicide.  From his childhood trauma of "Earl in the ditch "drug around by his balls until the pulled off", Ennis knew, "what happened to boys like that...". The social "stigma" of anyone "knowing" he and Twist were lovers would have been "too much".   Recall also Ennis says something about wondering if people looking at him "know..." 

All these triggers are captured in the "sweet life" scene.  The clip is the same one Chuck posted earlier - watch the whole clip.   It is paramount to Ennis' inner being as a person and standing in the ranching community that "no one knows" about him and Jack.  Also, as far as we know, the only person to ever confront Ennis about him and Jack was Alma. 

c) "sweet life (by river) + Earl" -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c293gMejW3o

Stay safe, stay alive.  Later.  V.

[Lyle (Mooska)]

After reading all these responses, my own would likely be made up of bits & pieces of all of them so I'll just say thanks for all these great responses. It's pretty amazing there are some questions still out there that haven't been considered before! Makes me wonder if Aguirre had encountered similar situations previously.

[BlueAmber63]

Though Ennis "never said many words".....he had a real short fuse.
Remember the firework display and how he reacted with those guys?

Remember how he reacted with Alma' conversation about "Jack Nasty"?

How he reacted to the driver of a truck that he nearly collided with while
walking to a bar ? Even though he came out worst in that confrontation.

With Aguirre knowing *THAT* kind of information and confronting him about
stemming the rose...I would easily say that Aguirre had signed his own death
warrant!.


(gattaca....only just read your answers AFTER I wrote mine. Seems we are kinda on the same page!)

[B.W.]

I think Joe Aguirre let Jack know in the Summer of 1964 that he knew about Jack's relationship with Ennis, perhaps because Jack had worked for him before and so he knew him a little better than he knew Ennis.  Ennis might have flown into a blind rage and left Aguirre bowlegged.  Remember, how he reacted when Alma revealed that she knew about Ennis' relationship with "Jack Nasty"?  I think that's why he hauled ass out of Alma and Monroe's house because he was worried about what he might do.  Although Aguirre probably found homosexuality "disgusting" he probably didn't care what Ennis or Jack did as long as they were taking care of the sheep. 


If he wanted to, Aguirre could have confronted Jack about his "stemming the rose" with Ennis when he told Jack that his Uncle Harold was in the hospital with pneumonia.  Maybe Aguirre knew that homosexuality was just too "taboo" of a subject in those days. People just didn't talk about being gay, except in hushed whispers or when making insulting jokes.

[gattaca]

A "behind the scenes" YT clip more recent... -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RXswP9TAnU

Nice. V.

[gattaca]

Also note:  Focus Features has been posting some very high-quality clips from the film

a) Jack's Room -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ--vaFvU6I
b) Reunion -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyLTZyVTmn8
c) "I wish I knew how to quit you." -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeCVUIn_HHM

More -> https://www.youtube.com/user/FocusFeatures/search?query=brokeback

V.

[CellarDweller115]

Cool, thanks for the links, Vincent!

[gattaca]

Also note:  Focus Features has been posting some very high-quality clips from the film - added a few more 28 Jun 2023

a) Jack's Room -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ--vaFvU6I
b) Reunion Longer clip -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyLTZyVTmn8
c) Reunion shorter clip -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8lUzaDukbw
c) "I wish I knew how to quit you." -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeCVUIn_HHM
d) Start of the relationship -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IALBZpgjEfk
e) The mountain brawl -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYdvdyTmBCY

More -> https://www.youtube.com/user/FocusFeatures/search?query=brokeback

V.

[gattaca]

A nice summary..

https://screenrant.com/best-quotes-from-brokeback-mountain-heath-leadger-jake-gyllenhaal-annie-proulx-ang-lee/#quot-it-39-s-nobody-39-s-business-but-ours-quot

[İlkay]

hope someone reads it after all these years.

If he hadn't met Dennis Jacke, he probably would have died married to Alma.

Dennis is seen as heterosexual because he is not looking for another man in need like Jacke.

Jacke, on the other hand, is gay and can't handle sex. Dennis does this with women too, so he doesn't understand Jacke.

If Randall asked Dennis out, he would definitely get the beating of his life. That's what Dennis was implying when he told Jack about boys like you. Dennis would never pay for a gay relationship even if it was free, Jacke wouldn't pass up the opportunity.

Dennis always told the truth and Jacke was insatiable for Dennis and Dennis would never think of anyone else but him.

As for Randall, if he had strong feelings for Randal, he wouldn't have had the fight in August, he would have said Randall existed after all, and he wouldn't have said he missed Dennis after the confession. I think Jack was secretly jealous of the women in Dennis' life and that's why he said it in a subtle way.

Actually, the cause of death was Randall.

When I first watched it, I thought Dennis was a one-sided lover, but I woke up with the shirts on.

So unfortunately the story we were following was Dennis' love story. Jacke makes plans with Randall and feels bad for Dennis about August. He is a very contradictory man. I don't know what Dennis would have done if he and Randall had moved to a nearby town. The only concrete thing about Jacke is the mystery of why the shirts hide them. Meanwhile, Dennis is a very docile, caring and macho masculine man. If I were him, I'd stay with him. By the way, if it were to be remade, Jacke's character would be more feminine because Jacke loved the machismo in Dennis. I hope Brokeback Moutain is remade with more grit in the future. Okay, they gave us special scenes, but in the other scenes, it was like two friends were hanging out. Since my native language is Turkish, I hope you can understand my English. Meanwhile, in 2008, I fell into the break trap. Now it has revived.