Awards Aftermath

[Dave Cullen]

Continuing from the Oscar Live thread here.

Continue discussing why the hell we think it happened, what it means . . .

[DanRWentzelJr]

I think an Ad in variety is a great idea.

Someone needs to connect the dots for the serious media with what has happened.  The media is too busy looking at Oscar dresses to notice today.  But, by Tuesday, they may be willing to report this.

I truly believe the "Remember how it made you feel..." campaign was an indirect appeal to the homophobia and sqeamishiness Turan referred to.  Racism is serious.  But the Crash campaign should be made to answer for appealing to intolerance to win a prize for a movie about intolerance.  ("See, "Crash" made you feel like a better person for having seen it.  "BBM" made you have to be uncomfortable watching two men in love.)

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P.S.  I loved Ang Lee's reference to gays in love.  I cannot believe the camera didn't cut away to Annie Proulx when the Screenwriters mentoned her, but the Oscar director probably had no idea who she was.  SIgh..

[bbmbliss]

I have just sent my e-mail to AMPAS.  Mentioned that I would not be watching the Oscars again - I hope everyone mentions that too.

[Sharyn]

Maybe SOMEBODY should say that the oscars make no major difference...

But they do... tonight... with this crowd.... with this movie... this loss is unprecedented, BBM losing after WINNING EVERYTING ELSE... CLEARLY, while maybe the "snub doesn't matter" IT DOES.. the snub wouldn't have happened with out all the hollywood politicing... all the "lobbying for Crash" (wich I still don't get n--either its a good movie or it isn't-- it's as BLACK & WHITE AS THAT-- FUCKING PUN INTENDED!!).. BBM should have won depite all the spineless, BALLLESS HOMOPHOBES that make up the fricking academy...

[richardL]

Maybe there is a synergy here between the story of the film at the oscars and the story in the film ........
Kind of just too beautiful to win out in the end ?
I'm trying to make it better ...   
Rich

[hayek_uk]

Maybe SOMEBODY should say that the oscars make no major difference...

Sure. Tell the people who spent so much time and effort on downing BBM and trying to stop it getting awards. Tell them they have no reason to be pleased or rejoice that they have been successful in stopping this movie from being endorsed by the US film industry, that they have been successful in their attacks on any public acceptance of homosexual life and physical love.

Tell them they need not take it as a green light to continue the same tactics; that bashing away at gays will have no effect because opinion formers and those with influence will take no notice of them. Tell them their tactics are a waste of time because their superficial victory is of no moment. And they will tell you whether that's true for them or not. And we will take their word.

[Pierre]

I think I just realized where Brokeback lost the Oscar. And it's actually a major flaw in the screenplay.

After Jack suggests that they get a ranch together, Ennis should have replied

ENNIS: No Jack. We can't live together because society is homophobic. Against gays. Anti-gay and homophobic. Homophobia is where you don't like gays. Everybody in Wyoming hates gays. If only society could be more accepting of gays, because gays are people too. At the end of the day we are all alike really. We are all the same. Hate is bad and discrimination is bad. Very bad. Sometimes  good people hate too because they don't know that hate is bad or do not recognize the hate in themselves. Against gays. Homopbobia. We should all look at ourselves and ask these questions. Look! It's snowing.


Well, it worked for Crash.

oh but you edited jacks response.

Ennis  i love you cause i'm gay. but in a more liberal world we can explore this together. do u remember when i saved you from that cop after he killed that negro who called you a fa* as he rubbed your brothers prostate as you cursed out the colored girl who worked the socialite whose pickup was stolen by the casino pushing injuns with the invisible capes made by  that arab man who molested the mexican pregnat girl from taco bell. That was because i loved you, and i'm gay. But as long as the government constantly tries to stop our pursuits we can only do what we must. Cuz we're gay. and i love you.

[glacier76]

why the hell we think it happened, what it means

1. Homophobia
2. Excellent marketing by Lions Gate. It positioned itself as the alternative to BBM. And since Crash is the least threatening film of the nominated films, it got those anti-BBM folks on their side.
3. Poor marketing by Schamus et al. Even if BBM had won Best Picture, had it been made by a different studio, it would've won more awards. BBM should've won choreography. It should've been nominated for editing. It should've received at least 1 acting award. They needed to put their actors in front of the press more than they did. They won 3 Oscars: one could've been attributed to a John Williams split of the vote and the other two due to the respect and acclaim of Ang Lee and Larry McMurtry. It was their "they're due" awards.
4. Homophobia.

[cythera4]

Maybe SOMEBODY should say that the oscars make no major difference...

Sure. Tell the people who spent so much time and effort on downing BBM and trying to stop it getting awards. Tell them they have no reason to be pleased or rejoice that they have been successful in stopping this movie from being endorsed by the US film industry, that they have been successful in their attacks on any public acceptance of homosexual life and physical love.

Tell them they need not take it as a green light to continue the same tactics; that bashing away at gays will have no effect because opinion formers and those with influence will take no notice of them. Tell them their tactics are a waste of time because their superficial victory is of no moment. And they will tell you whether that's true for them or not. And we will take their word.

Amen, and Bravo.

[cms]

I also find it laughable that Roeper had the gall to say this wasn't an anti-BBM vote when the Crash team had been encouraging a anti-BBM vote all along. 

One thing is for sure.  Not that he cares or will ever give a fuck, but I will never watch Ebert and Roeper again.   They may be sincere in their view of Crash, but they allowed themselves to be used by homophobia.

Roeper is dim. He said Crash would win and it wouldn't be an upset.  He's so stupid, he doesn't even know the definition of upset.

[cythera4]

I have no idea how the Crash crew can celebrate this. It feels so sleazy. Something shameful and disgusting just happened, and they were the beneficiaries.

[Cowboysnkisses]

I have just sent my e-mail to AMPAS.  Mentioned that I would not be watching the Oscars again - I hope everyone mentions that too.

Great!

Here's the link for others who want to do the same.  Please do!


http://www.oscars.org/contact/general.html

[richardL]

Can anyone tell me of a link to see
Ang's acceptance speak ? (Not the BBC cant view on my Mac) ...ta

[cythera4]

why the hell we think it happened, what it means

1. Homophobia
2. Excellent marketing by Lions Gate. It positioned itself as the alternative to BBM. And since Crash is the least threatening film of the nominated films, it got those anti-BBM folks on their side.
3. Poor marketing by Schamus et al. Even if BBM had won Best Picture, had it been made by a different studio, it would've won more awards. BBM should've won choreography. It should've been nominated for editing. It should've received at least 1 acting award. They needed to put their actors in front of the press more than they did. They won 3 Oscars: one could've been attributed to a John Williams split of the vote and the other two due to the respect and acclaim of Ang Lee and Larry McMurtry. It was their "they're due" awards.
4. Homophobia.

I think you also have to add: 5. All the typical Hollywood envies and rivalries. All the studio bosses who said Brokeback could never get made now watching it lap their big-budget clunkers. All the actors jealous that some up-and-coming young stars took a risk and produced a masterpiece. And all the other message-movie people (Munich, Good Night & Good Luck, Crash) pissed off that a film telling a simple, tragic story could possibly beat out their hard-breathing, tendentious posturings.

[downloaded1]

Can anyone tell me of a link to see
Ang's acceptance speak ? (Not the BBC cant view on my Mac) ...ta

go to YouTube
and type in Ang Lee in the search
its there