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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #195 on: March 13, 2006, 12:27:09 PM »
1491, huh?
I have it on my shelf.  Must crack it open one of these days.

Anyone read Joseph Conrad's story, The Secret Sharer?

Just finished it. Spooky. One guy, a ship captain, hides a run-away murderer: his secret other self.
The captain has to talk loudly to his men so that the guy who is hiding will hear him and learn what is going on. When the captain and his other self talk to each other, they must whisper.
No love or sex is implied, just a deep sharing of perspective and mutual appreciation.
For each to grow, they must part ways.



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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #196 on: March 13, 2006, 09:14:34 PM »
I read The Secret Sharer a couple of years ago for the first time since I read it in high school. I had a number of Conrad’s works to read in short order in high school; I hated the volume of the work that I had to do at the time; I did not understand what Conrad was talking about; and so I ended up refusing to read Conrad thereafter --- until recently! In this story, the narrator, a straight-laced conservative guy, discovers his walk-on-the-wild-side personality as a result of hiding “the secret sharer” in his cabin, and he is changed as a person as a result of the brief encounter. Now what the hell could I have known about such schizoid personality dynamics when I was seventeen years old? I was having a hard enough time trying to develop a mainstream persona that would keep me from getting into trouble with repressive authority figures. How could I possibly have imagined at the time that such a mainstream persona, once I would create it over the next couple of years or so, would turn out to be a lethal danger to my soul if I took it too seriously? And yet I had to read “The Secret Sharer” when I was in high school! I wish that I were back there now, just for a moment. I would grill that smart-ass English teacher that I had at the time over the story --- a guy who thought that he was so cool and so sophisticated but who actually did not know squat about anything in life! As Paul Simon once wrote in a song, “When I think back on all the crap I learned in high school, it’s a wonder I can think at all!” Ah, so true!

Island-in-the-Sea, if you have not already done so, I would highly recommend that you read “Heart of Darkness,” just as great a story as “The Secret Sharer.” Just make sure that you do so when you have rented a copy of Francis Ford Coppola’s Apocalypse Now from your local video store to watch just as soon as you have finished the story. Coppola has brilliantly updated the story from the Belgian Congo region around 1900 to the Mekong Delta right in the heart of the Vietnam War! A great job, and probably a film that could not be made today --- because, unfortunately, most people don’t read any more!

I love talking about literature, Island-in-the-Sea, and I would like to do so here. But I am not entirely sure just how much freedom I might have to do so here within this particular forum. I am not entirely unfamiliar with the genre of gay literature, but to be honest with you, I am not sure just how seriously I can take most of it. Yes, one of my very favorite novelists is the gay novelist E. M. Forster, but while I like Maurice very much, it is far from being my favorite novel by him. I must admit that Annie Proulx’s “Brokeback Mountain” absolutely stunned me, precisely because it bulldozes every single gay stereotype that you could possibly imagine. (Ditto for the brilliant, memorable, epochal film that was made from it and that brought me to this wonderful forum!) But so much “gay literature” strikes me as being either pornographic and/or polemical --- to the detriment of being truly artistic! Please don’t get me wrong, Island-in-the-Sea, I can be just as raunchy as the next guy when I consciously choose to be so, and I myself am intensely political in my consciousness almost at all times. But when I am in the mood for art, I am not really into either one of those two things, and I don’t like to see them slipped under the radar scope without my conscious knowledge. So I do have problems with “gay literature” as a genre at the present time, and I am not sure just how far I can stray from that genre in this particular forum without upsetting the overall tone here.

But to get back to my original recommendation. Read “Heart of Darkness,” if you have not already done so, and then follow it up immediately with Coppola’s Apocalypse Now. I guarantee that it will be a strong aesthetic experience for you, Island-in-the-Sea! :D :D :D
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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #197 on: March 14, 2006, 02:41:02 AM »
I really am the dunce in this thread...i just reread The Cat In The Hat and LOVED it<g>

anybody else?
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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #198 on: March 14, 2006, 01:04:58 PM »
I really am the dunce in this thread...i just reread The Cat In The Hat and LOVED it<g>

anybody else?

My boss oredered that in before Christmas and I read it then...had a right laugh!  It's a well funny book.
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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #199 on: March 14, 2006, 02:31:49 PM »
Okay if you read Cat in the Hat  :D.....then I don't feel bad saying I am reading Angels and Demons and then trying to get on to the Da Vinci Code, before the movie hits theatres!
 
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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #200 on: March 14, 2006, 03:28:15 PM »
Well there's the one about the sheep herder back in England in about 1657.

Son of illiterate farmer.

Father died before he was born.

Sent off to live with relatives in childhood.

Forced by family to cut schooling short and come back and run the family farm, got fined for letting sheep stray (like August hailstorm in BBM)

Rather like Ennis and Jack.

Then somehow someone arranged for him to continue schooling.

When he was 24, living back at home while school was shut down for a year, he:  laid foundation for modern science, laid foundation for calculus, discovered gravitation as a universal force, discovered laws of optics, later inventing the reflecting telescope (which he referred to still later as merely a "tool")

plus a few other things.

Of course E and J don't have his experience after they leave off sheep herding.

But there is one  other little thing he had in common with them....


(Glieck,  Isaac Newton (2004))
"Ennis del Mar wakes before five....The shirts hanging on a nail shudder slightly in the draft..It could be bad on the highway with the horsetrailer.He has to be packed and away from the place that morning...The wind strikes the trailer like a load of dirt coming off a dump truck, eases, dies...."

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #201 on: March 14, 2006, 03:45:59 PM »
My three favorite reads of the past year were:

Brokeback Mountain, The Kite Runner, and The Year of Magical Thinking.

"Within your heart, keep one still, secret spot where dreams may go."   Louise Driscoll

"No matter how hard you strike a bell, it will ring. What else is it made for? Even under the hammer blows of fate, the heart will ring true." 
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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #202 on: March 14, 2006, 03:54:01 PM »

Island-in-the-Sea, if you have not already done so, I would highly recommend that you read “Heart of Darkness,” just as great a story as “The Secret Sharer.” Just make sure that you do so when you have rented a copy of Francis Ford Coppola’s Apocalypse Now from your local video store to watch just as soon as you have finished the story.

jpq716, Thanks for your thoughts.

I have read "Heart of Darkness" which is why I was surprised by the upbeat conclusion in "The Secret Sharer".
I interpreted the ending to mean that the young man had learned to present a confident public self to the world.

I don't sample 'gay literature' much any more. Many years ago, I read and loved Edmund White's "A Boy's Own Story", and I thought Ethan Mordden's stuff was entertaining (probably not qualified as 'literature' however).  There is a local gay mens' reading group in my city that I have never attended.

I joined a "Great Books" discussion group. Each month we read a short segment of a classic and discuss it. Tonight we take on The Secret Sharer as well as a bit of Freud.  If anything comes of the discussion, I'll tell ya.

PS. You can call me 'Island'  :D

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #203 on: March 14, 2006, 04:05:39 PM »
I have a Masters Degree in Theology.  Because this is my field, I am extremely interested in hearing a theological perspective on homosexuality and bisexuality.

I ordered and finally received a copy of the Archbishop's book "The Gay Face of God."  That's the good book I'll be reading.  Perhaps I will learn something I can use with people who feel being gay is somehow sinful.
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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #204 on: March 14, 2006, 04:15:53 PM »
I have a Masters Degree in Theology. 

WOW that is impressive!

Let us know how you like the book.  :)
 
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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #205 on: March 14, 2006, 06:55:24 PM »
I have a Masters Degree in Theology. 

WOW that is impressive!

Let us know how you like the book.  :)

Tee hee. It's not THAT impressive.  It was work getting it a my age (48), and working full time at the same time, but at least I learned how to write a good paper.  Funny thing is, I can explain why there is evil on earth, but I can't tell you what I ate for breakfast. Go figure.

Of course, now that I can only think of BBM.... I can't remember anything.
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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #206 on: March 14, 2006, 09:26:47 PM »
My three favorite reads of the past year were:

Brokeback Mountain, The Kite Runner, and The Year of Magical Thinking.



What did you (Sebastian), or anyone else who's read it, think about The Year of Magical Thinking?"  I've considered reading it, and definitely considered giving it to my mom, who's experienced a lot of tragedy in her life, but have not picked it up yet because, I suppose, I am afraid that it would be too painful, being that it is supposed to be about death, loss, etc.  Not that those topics are "bad" topics, or topics which I would not like to discuss.

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #207 on: March 14, 2006, 09:42:42 PM »
I finished re-reading Hesse's Narziss and Goldmund - God how I love that book!

In high school I hated, and I mean totally despised, English literature. It was a required subject all the way through and I dragged that ball and chain until my senior year. That year I had one of the best, and most passionate, teachers at the school, and the subject became interesting (a little maturity didn't hurt on my part either). This is a long-winded way of getting to a couple of poems we looked at that year, both of which stayed with me, and both of which deal with growing up and the loss of innonence. I see bits of Ennis and Jack in them - Fern Hill by Dylan Thomas, and There was a Boy by Wordsworth.

PS - even when I thought literature was a bore I loved Cat in the Hat  ;D

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #208 on: March 14, 2006, 09:50:12 PM »
I just read "The Other Boleyn Girl" by Philippa Gregory.  I'm a sucker for the old queens.  Has anyone read her Wideacre series?
I just started Breath of Snow and Ashes, the latest (maybe last?) installment in the Outlander series, by Diana Gabaldon.  (I think I might be a 12 year old girl because I also have Kelly Clarkson going in the car...hmmm.)

In the past few months, I've enjoyed Specimen Days by Michael Cunningham, You Can Say You Knew Me When, the latest by Soehnlein (not as good as his The World of Normal Boys) and Misfortune, by Wesley Stace.  I was disappointed with Susanna Clark's Jonathan Strange and Mr. Norell (I think that's the name).  Went on and on too much.  I also stopped reading two books, both of which won Pulitzers: The Known World (I just couldn't deal!) and Gilead (Marilynne Robinson).  I rarely quit books but there it is.

I also read Brokeback and the Brokeback screenplay a dozen times.  God, I cannot get it out of mind.

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Re: What good book have you read lately? (New or old)
« Reply #209 on: March 14, 2006, 10:31:41 PM »
"The Heart Of Darkness"-
Conrad