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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #120 on: March 03, 2008, 12:11:30 PM »
Just think if BBM won BP, maybe it could have gone up to 90Million easily, instead of 83Million. Remember Million Dollar Baby did make another 15million after winning BP in 2005. I think it might have been more. So, I guess people really do care about what the Oscar's say more than they let on.

I remember growing up (small rural town) talking to a neighbor girl--we
were talking about some movies--and she said that her parents only
went to the movies once a year--to see the movie that won the best
picture oscar.

Right after BBM won the Golden Globe best film award the box office
shot up the very next day.  I am sure it would've pulled in some more
people if it had won the b.p. oscar, people thinking "well, it must have something to it after all, let me find out..." 

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« Reply #121 on: March 03, 2008, 09:17:59 PM »
I guess the one good thing is that, at least, Crash was already out on video when it won.  Who would have wanted to have seen THAT movie beef up its box office toal with a win?   ;)

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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #122 on: March 03, 2008, 09:24:30 PM »
Just think if BBM won BP, maybe it could have gone up to 90Million easily, instead of 83Million. Remember Million Dollar Baby did make another 15million after winning BP in 2005. I think it might have been more. So, I guess people really do care about what the Oscar's say more than they let on.

I remember growing up (small rural town) talking to a neighbor girl--we
were talking about some movies--and she said that her parents only
went to the movies once a year--to see the movie that won the best
picture oscar.

Right after BBM won the Golden Globe best film award the box office
shot up the very next day.  I am sure it would've pulled in some more
people if it had won the b.p. oscar, people thinking "well, it must have something to it after all, let me find out..." 

I remember that day well - when Brokeback Mountain suddenly became the #1 movie in the nation.  Sweet times.   :)

http://boxofficemojo.com/daily/chart/?sortdate=2006-01-17&p=.htm

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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #123 on: March 03, 2008, 10:46:20 PM »
another Advocate letter:

Heath's Legend

The death of Heath Ledger, reported as your March 11th cover story, hopefully caps a sad string of events surrounding the film which will forever be identified as his finest work: "Brokeback Mountain". This heart-stopping sadness begins within the Annie Proulx short story from which the film was made. When Ennis leaves Jack for the first time Proulx writes: "Within a mile Ennis felt like someone was pulling his guts out hand over hand a yard at a time". The sadness continues with the loss at the 2006 Academy Awards to "Crash" whose most dramatic redemptive moment (a racist white policemen risks his life to save a black woman from a car about to explode) is played out in an instant. Ledger's loss as "Best Actor" is no less of a disappointment. While Philip Seymour Hoffman's portrayal of Truman Capote, (and the 2006 winner, Helen Mirren's of Queen Elizabeth), are perfection, Ledger created Ennis Del Mar from nothing but words on a page.

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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #124 on: March 03, 2008, 11:13:27 PM »
Here's more evidence the academy is still out of touch with the rest of America, and still in denial....


Thank you to gay partner edited out of Oscars transcript
 

Scott Rudin is one of Hollywood's most prolific producers, having been responsible for bringing scores of hit movies to the screen.
 
Scott Rubin thanked several people on Sunday when he collected an Oscar for Best Picture for No Country For Old Men, which he produced.

The 49-year-old, after name-checking the film's directors Joel and Ethan Coen and producer Sydney Pollack, paid tribute to "my partner, John Barlow. Without you, honey, this is just hardware."

Theatre publicist Barlow was at the ceremony, but was not honoured with a close-up when his name was mentioned, as is common practice when heterosexual spouses are similarly praised.

On slate.com Dana Stevens drew a comparison with a same-sex kiss at the 2007 Oscars ceremony:

"When Melissa Etheridge won for Best Song last year, she gave her wife, Tammy Lynn Michaels, an on-camera kiss, but they're women, and attractive blondes to boot.

"I guess being publicly gay at the Oscars is still no country for old men. But maybe next year."

Others questioned why the official press transcript from the Oscars website initially excluded the reference to Mr Barlow from Mr Rudin's speech.

The transcript was later altered to include his same-sex sentiments.

Scott Rudin is one of Hollywood's most prolific producers, having been responsible for bringing scores of hit movies to the screen.

He is also one of the few successful out producers in the industry.

To watch Scott Rudin's acceptance speech SCROLL DOWN.
More:
http://www.pinknews .co.uk/news/ articles/ 2005-6962. html
 
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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #125 on: March 04, 2008, 08:20:38 PM »
Don't know if this has already been posted, but I have never read it.   It's right on the money as far as I'm concerned.



A Harrowing Affair: Commentary From a Brokeback Mountain Fan
by Mark Salamon, March 13, 2006

During the run-up to the Academy Awards Tony Curtis told Fox News
that he hadn't yet seen Brokeback Mountain and had no intention of
doing so. He claimed he wasn't alone in the sentiment and other
Academy members felt the same way.

Furthermore, Curtis contended, his contemporaries no longer alive to
speak for themselves wouldn't have cared for the highly acclaimed
Best Picture nominee either." Howard Hughes and John Wayne wouldn't
like it," Curtis said in an interview.

I am not a member of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences,
but I have seen Brokeback Mountain, and I did like it tremendously— as
did millions of others. Our bewilderment over its defeat at the
Oscars has been misinterpreted. Would you humor us by considering the
following analogy that better explains our position?

Let's simply recast Brokeback Mountain as the story about the
intolerance faced by a white woman and her black husband in rural
Wyoming in the 1960s. At the end of the film, her husband is murdered
in a brutal hate crime because of others disgust over miscegenation.

Now imagine that, before this film even premieres, it is the butt of
racist jokes. Conservative news commentators decry its very existence
as a mistake, calling it a profane plea for acceptance of the sin
that is a mixed marriage. They repeatedly predict--and hope for--its
failure at the box office.

The movies opens and critics rave that it is an exquisite, poignant,
and supremely-well crafted film. The actors are ideally cast in their
parts and play their roles with pitch-perfect honesty and
involvement. The screenplay is sublimely spare and genuinely
evocative of the American west of the recent past. The
cinematography, the musical score, the landscapes, the set-pieces:
together, they achieve perfection, or something close to it.

Nonetheless, all during its cinematic run, talk show hosts, humorists
and live comedy-ensemble network programs can't seem to let a day go
by without satirical reference to that "jungle fever cowboy movie."
Black and white celebrities play out creepy parodies of "BrokeBlack
Mounting." Often these skits are done in whiteface and blackface.

Award season commences and Brokeback Mountain wins almost every
precursor "Best" award bestowed by the most prestigious film
institutions. It also has the greatest box-office take of all the
likely Best Picture nominees, and, by most accounts, is the best
reviewed film of the year. And when the Oscar nominations are
announced, Brokeback Mountain receives the highest number of
nominations for all of the Best Picture nominees.

Shortly thereafter, an Academy member proudly proclaims he has no
intention of watching the film because he and his contemporaries
don't care for mixed marriages. Their reasoning is,"D.W. Griffith (or
insert the name of a famously racist Hollywood Golden Age actor here)
would be rolling over in his grave." Consider, too, it is also likely
that a significant proportion of Academy members are silently acting
out this same bigotry by failing to see Brokeback Mountain before
marking their own ballots.

No one objects to these glaring violations of the Academy's own
rules, or the institution' s ethics. Nonetheless, it is widely
predicted Brokeback Mountain will win Best Picture. Even Las Vegas
odds-makers make it the overwhelming favorite.

Then Brokeback Mountain loses to Crash in what, almost everyone
agrees, is one of the—if not the —most shocking upset ever. Is it
unreasonable that some might ask if racism had been a factor?

This example is not an overstatement of the abuse that has been
hurled at Brokeback Mountain, nor have its accolades been
exaggerated. Merely substitute "gay male relationship" into the
analogy provided above and you will have an accurate picture of the
scathing climate Brokeback Mountain has had to endure.

Consider another scenario. Imagine the gay themes of Brokeback
Mountain were received with benign acceptance and treated with quiet
respect during its run in the theaters. Reviews were mixed and it did
so-so at the box-office. Meanwhile, the issues of race relations in
Crash were the subject of daily derision, culminating in an
announcement by a prominent Academy member he would not be viewing
the movie because it was about "colored people."

Then, suppose that leading up to the Oscars, Crash received
more "Best" awards, not only among all pictures in 2005, but among
all movies in history.

Don't you think there might have been a tiny tempest if, under those
circumstances, Brokeback Mountain had then won "Best Picture" over
Crash? Wouldn't questions of racism within the Academy of Motion
Picture Arts and Sciences be asked legitimately? Accusations of
unfairness within the Academy's voting procedure and the uproar would
continue until heads rolled and changes occurred. Spike Lee and the
NAACP might well be in the forefront of the campaign.

But Brokeback Mountain is a tale of the love between two male ranch
hands. Mr. Curtis--and who knows how many other Academy members--
flouted the long accepted conventions of their own guild by
dismissing Brokeback Mountain without ever screening it. Is there
really a problem with that? Or are those homosexuals just "sore
losers," who are "pushing an agenda?"

Homophobia-- yes, there's that "h" word--is still so ingrained in
Hollywood and within American culture that disdain for gay
relationships is accepted as "normal" and "natural". So much so, that
the Tony Curtises of this world express it as if by right, feeling no
shame and fearing no censure from their colleagues or the public.
[Note from jayiijay: Tony Curtis wasn't the only one. Ernest
Borgnine's equally unacceptable quotes are in Entertainment Weekly,
there are more from less famous people]

In his column entitled "The Fury of the 'Crash'-lash" Roger Ebert
concludes by writing: "The nature of the attacks on Crash by the
supporters of Brokeback Mountain seem to proceed from the other
position: Brokeback is better not only because of its artistry but
because of its subject matter, and those who disagree hate
homosexuals. Its supporters could vote for it in good conscience,
vote for it and feel they had made a progressive move, vote for it
and not feel that there was any stain on their liberal credentials
for shunning what Crash had to offer."

Let us overlook the fact that Ebert succumbs to the slippery
temptation to misrepresent our point, and then finds fault with that
misconstruing of our position. What he seems to be suggesting is
that "supporters of Brokeback Mountain" are "attacking" Crash because
we failed in our attempts to turn the Oscar for "Best Picture" into a
competition for "Worthiest Oppressed Minority".

I, and those who agree with me, will freely admit to being Brokeback
Mountain supporters, yet let us please speak for ourselves. Few of us
have argued Brokeback Mountain deserved the Oscar because it is about
gay love. That has nothing to do with it.

What's done is done. Crash won this year's Best Picture Oscar and
there is no taking that back. Nor should it be. But given the facts
outlined above, is it really asking too much to admit that homophobia
may very well have played a part in that outcome?
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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #126 on: March 04, 2008, 09:55:19 PM »
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WOW!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

By far the best commentary about BBM I have ever EVER read!  His points are meticulous, well thought out and bang on the money!  I love his re-casting, reworking of the script.  Different scenario, same result?  Can you imagine the outcry??  Oprah shrieking wildly in the background (and I am sure we all heard her when Crash won  ::)) at the unjustice of it all! 

The Oscars have been on my shitlist for years now, even before BBM.  Since 2006, I don't even care who is nominated.  Give me the BAFTA's any day..they have definitely earned my respect.

Thank you for posting this!  It was a real treat to read :)
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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #127 on: March 05, 2008, 05:44:15 AM »
Wonderful article.  I felt that Brokeback Mountain was robbed at the Oscars, due to homophobia, and Tony Curtis' comments leave a nasty taste in my mouth. 

Even putting personal taste in movies aside (I didn't like Crash, although I do think that Matt Dillon probably did the best work of his career in that film), I still don't see how Crash could have justifiably beaten Brokeback Mountain.  Philip Seymour Hoffman is a fine actor, but I do think that the Best Actor Oscar should have been Heath Ledger for his incredible portrayal of Ennis.  I am no expert, but I believe that Ang Lee's Best Director win was simply a token gesture (even though the win was totally deserved) on the part of the Academy.

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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #128 on: March 05, 2008, 07:04:29 AM »
Wonderful article.  I felt that Brokeback Mountain was robbed at the Oscars, due to homophobia, and Tony Curtis' comments leave a nasty taste in my mouth. 

Even putting personal taste in movies aside (I didn't like Crash, although I do think that Matt Dillon probably did the best work of his career in that film), I still don't see how Crash could have justifiably beaten Brokeback Mountain.  Philip Seymour Hoffman is a fine actor, but I do think that the Best Actor Oscar should have been Heath Ledger for his incredible portrayal of Ennis.  I am no expert, but I believe that Ang Lee's Best Director win was simply a token gesture (even though the win was totally deserved) on the part of the Academy.

Matt Dillon is a far better actor than he gives himself credit for.  He should have taken the Heath road for sure (pickier about roles) but then I guess nobody would be acting in the crap they shove out if they were all picky LOL
I enjoyed Crash, loved Capote (PSH is an incredible actor there is no doubt about that) but I also thought Joaquin Phoenix was better as Johnny Cash than PSH was as Capote.  Hands down, though, Heath should have won.  Everyone but the academy thought so.  And how BBM lost Best Cinematography still baffles me.... >:(
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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #129 on: March 05, 2008, 07:15:58 AM »

Great, great article.
Thanks for posting it.

And reading it with two years' distance, makes it even more powerful and true.

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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #130 on: March 05, 2008, 09:35:45 AM »

Great, great article.
Thanks for posting it.

And reading it with two years' distance, makes it even more powerful and true.



Two years ago today. Damn, two years.

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« Reply #131 on: March 07, 2008, 09:21:12 PM »
Interesting reading from:

http://goldderby.latimes.com/

Gay outrage builds over military invasion of the Oscars

Just two years after Oscar snubbed best-picture front-runner "Brokeback Mountain," gay leaders wonder if they just got slapped deliberately again by Golden Boy. Outrage continues to build over how Oscar chiefs chose to stage the presentation of the award for best documentary short. It was bestowed by U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine troops in Iraq. Surely, Oscar leaders must've realized that a gay-themed nominee, "Freeheld," might win and the award presentation would be an awkward setup.

Indeed, "Freeheld" triumphed, thus rewarding an expose about the heroic struggle of a lesbian police officer dying of cancer who wanted to bequeath her pension benefits to her partner, just like married heterosexuals can do.

"The irony here, of course, is that soldiers can't leave their benefits to their partners or even be openly gay in the military," notes Andy Humm, co-host of TV news show "Gay U.S.A." Listen to the program's podcast HERE

Typical of the outrage expressed across the blogosphere is this observation at CourtingEquality.com: "'Freeheld' demonstrates that the freedom and liberty that some LGBT citizens fight for abroad are not theirs at home."

"Probably no one planning this year’s show thought about the hypocrisy of having the military, which bans openly gay and lesbian soldiers from service, announce" the winner, noted the New Jersey Bergen Record. "It may go down as the ultimate Oscar irony."

Below is a video clip of the presentation on Oscar night. Notice how clueless the presenters seem to be about the ironic scene. (Entertainment Weekly tells the back story HERE.) Ignoring it with great diplomacy is winner Cynthia Wade, a heterosexual New York filmmaker who produced and directed "Freeheld."

"It was Lt. Laurel Hester's dying wish that her fight against discrimination would make a difference for all the same-sex couples across the country that face discrimination every single day — discrimination that I don't face as a married woman," she said, accepting the Oscar.

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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #132 on: March 09, 2008, 09:11:34 PM »
On his show tonight, Richard Roeper was lamenting the fact that Marion Cotillard won the Best Actress Oscar a few weeks back.  Hm....wasn't he the one calling all the Brokeback defenders poor losers and cry babies?  And we had a reason that went far beyond just a more worthy nominee losing to a less worthy one.

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« Reply #133 on: March 10, 2008, 02:52:26 PM »
On his show tonight, Richard Roeper was lamenting the fact that Marion Cotillard won the Best Actress Oscar a few weeks back.  Hm....wasn't he the one calling all the Brokeback defenders poor losers and cry babies?  And we had a reason that went far beyond just a more worthy nominee losing to a less worthy one.



I saw that too. What a baby. Now he knows how we feel. I doubt it.

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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #134 on: March 10, 2008, 09:00:06 PM »
Not really much to do with awards, but I stumbled upon this article from the past and thought it made for fun reading:

http://www.salon.com/ent/col/fix/2006/02/02/thurs/