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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #1710 on: October 22, 2023, 06:27:25 PM »
Hey Mixmovart! Fritz from Arlington VA USA.

In many ways the fact that BBM did not win the best picture keeps us and the rest of the industry talking about it and noting the injustice. In the long run it may have been for the best.

I am very far from you. Europe. Eastern Europe. Ukraine. Very nice to meet you!  :D

You're right! After all, just look at the addition of a film to the national roster and the fact that Brokeback Mountain became the youngest film on the list! Someone said on Oscar night that Brokeback Mountain is higher than the Oscars and higher than all the awards, and that also came true, and that is also true. It’s just that the pain is not from the loss of prizes, but from injustice. And of course the pain from the loss of Heath, and from the fact that Jake was not even awarded nominations for his strongest roles after

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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #1711 on: October 22, 2023, 06:32:48 PM »
Ласкаво просимо на наш форум!

Werd ich zum Augenblicke sagen, "Verweile doch! Du bist so schön..."

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« Reply #1712 on: October 22, 2023, 06:50:03 PM »
This is my first message on the forum and I'm still figuring out whether I chose the right topic. Please forgive any mistakes, but English is not my native language.
I read the theme of that same ill-fated Oscar and it was as if I had visited the past... As if I was a person from the future looking into the past. So what did I see? All predictions came true.
Crash is seen as nothing less than Oscar's greatest injustice and mistake. Shame on Oscar, Brokeback Mountain has long become a classic that will be studied even in directing courses. Not to mention the impact on everyone, regardless of sexual orientation, country, faith and everything else. If you have a heart, you will never forget this movie...
In a couple of years, the Oscar will come to Heath Ledger, but... will it matter? Despite the brilliant role of the Joker, this Oscar looked like a handout for stolen goods, like the “academics” were trying to make amends or just pay off? Many years from now, another actor will be honored for his role as the Joker, and prizes will be quickly handed out to him, as if to let us know that Heath is not the only genius. I see it like this and I can't do anything. I don't believe it, and I wasn't moved by this actor's speech. I just don't believe it. I apologize if I offended anyone. This is just my opinion. But I always try to tell the truth, exactly what I think
It was as if I was reliving that night at the Oscars, this injustice that still hurts even after all these years. Yes, there will be wins and nominations for other films on the topic. Sorry, but this is so hard to watch... Why? Because it's not Brokeback Mountain and because Heath isn't with us. But because no mistakes in life can be corrected. Especially when the person is already dead...




Hello there. THE ULTIMATE BROKEBACK FORUM is probably one of the best and very few forums on the internet that is dedicated solely to Ang Lee's 2005 film. I personally liked Paul Haggis's "CRASH" (2004) but I don't think it was Best Picture worthy. It was a bit too derivative with how it seemed to rip off other popular movies dealing with racism and was a bit too preachy with its message about how wrong racial intolerance is, though the film certainly had good intentions.  I probably wouldn't describe the voting members of the ACADEMY OF MOTION PICTURE ARTS AND SCIENCES as being "academics". To me, their opinions are just their own and those opinions are just as subjective as anyone else's, so it really doesn't matter to me what they think of any film.



Now, I do believe homophobia was a huge factor in "BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN" (2005) not winning Best Picture at the OSCARS in 2006, but I also think it would be unrealistic if the film had won the award to just expect anti-LGBT attitudes of folks worldwide to just vanish into thin air because a gay-themed romance movie had won Best Picture at the ACADEMY AWARDS ceremony. A movie isn't necessarily going to change someone's opinion. Can it? Sure, but it shouldn't take a fictional movie to do that.


I do think that someone else may win the OSCAR for playing the Joker character in some other theatrical film about Batman in the future, and that wouldn't be offensive in my eyes -- after all, Jack Nicholson did a good job playing the character before Heath Ledger did in Tim Burton's "BATMAN" (1989). I've heard that Joaquin Phoenix gave a good performance as the character in the movie "JOKER" (2019) which was released over a decade after Ledger's untimely death. Heath was brilliant as the Joker, and I wish he had gotten a chance to reprise that role for another movie. Every actor who plays the Joker onscreen will have a unique spin on the character. I doubt if we'll ever see another theatrical film adaptation of "BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN" again, certainly not one that would be capable of nicely complimenting or surpassing Ang Lee's adaptation -- not very likely.




I definitely think Ang Lee's film is one that will continue to be talked about and debated amongst film scholars and moviegoers, and that is a testimony to the film's enduring legacy.
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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #1713 on: October 22, 2023, 06:56:10 PM »
I am very far from you. Europe. Eastern Europe. Ukraine. Very nice to meet you!  :D

You're right! After all, just look at the addition of a film to the national roster and the fact that Brokeback Mountain became the youngest film on the list! Someone said on Oscar night that Brokeback Mountain is higher than the Oscars and higher than all the awards, and that also came true, and that is also true. It’s just that the pain is not from the loss of prizes, but from injustice. And of course the pain from the loss of Heath, and from the fact that Jake was not even awarded nominations for his strongest roles after




You're from the Ukraine?  I'm very sorry to hear about the suffering that people in your country are undergoing over its current war with Russia. I also think it's a shame that Jake Gyllenhaal hasn't won an OSCAR yet. I think that he should have been nominated for his performance in Dan Gilroy's movie "NIGHTCRAWLER" (2014).

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« Reply #1714 on: October 23, 2023, 04:10:02 AM »
Good afternoon. This is probably due to translation difficulties and it is not easy for me to express my thoughts. Separately, I would like to say something about the Joker.
Of course, the Joker is a character, and Heath is neither the first nor the last to play the role. I don't mind at all. Moreover, this image is now iconic and profitable (haha), I watched the new film and formed my opinion, including why and why they need this film. And we know how this Oscar is awarded. Well, I have my own thoughts. Either way, Heath is an outsider in Hollywood and they had to do something to ruin Heath Ledger's greatness. After all, only two roles led him to immortality... JUST TWO. You can imagine who he would be if...
I have a lot of complaints about the new Joker, and especially now about the fact that there will be a sequel. My complaints - why so veiled, but still take facts from Heath’s life
1 Diary (reference to Heath's real-life diary)
2 Direct link to prescription drugs
3 dance is very similar to the dance of Heath - Patrick Verona
4. Copied a fan's swooning kiss
But this topic is not about the Joker. Therefore, I will also conclude by saying that after so many years, Joaquin started talking about supposedly auditioning for “Brokeback Mountain” and how he wanted to play there.
Well, I have no words.

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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #1715 on: October 23, 2023, 04:19:12 AM »
Ласкаво просимо на наш форум!

Дякую! Thank you!


You're from the Ukraine?  I'm very sorry to hear about the suffering that people in your country are undergoing over its current war with Russia. I also think it's a shame that Jake Gyllenhaal hasn't won an OSCAR yet. I think that he should have been nominated for his performance in Dan Gilroy's movie "NIGHTCRAWLER" (2014).

Yes, thanks for your sympathy!
I really like his role in the movie Nocturnal Animals. 

Unfortunately, we now know him mainly for his role in Spider-Man. Especially schoolchildren
 That's what they say - and this guy is from Spider. And I'm very upsetо



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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #1716 on: October 24, 2023, 09:59:39 AM »
I am very far from you. Europe. Eastern Europe. Ukraine.

I am in Los Angeles. I have an acquaintance who is a judge here. He and some other judges were invited to go to Ukraine as part of a learning forum. I'm not really sure of the details. He was there with the others the beginning of October and returned about a week ago. I have not yet been able to talk with him about the trip. I hope you are safe enough and am glad you are able to chat here with us.  (((((( mixmovart ))))))


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« Reply #1717 on: October 26, 2023, 06:48:59 AM »
I am in Los Angeles. I have an acquaintance who is a judge here. He and some other judges were invited to go to Ukraine as part of a learning forum. I'm not really sure of the details. He was there with the others the beginning of October and returned about a week ago. I have not yet been able to talk with him about the trip. I hope you are safe enough and am glad you are able to chat here with us.  (((((( mixmovart ))))))
Here's how it happens. They say it's a small world. Or someone knows someone or someone has been to some country. ;D
 Thanks for the kind words. I'm glad to be on this forum too!

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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #1718 on: January 28, 2024, 11:56:07 PM »

--Brokeback Mountain at the AMPAS Museum's Geffen Theatre

Sunday evening January 28, 2024.

The screening of Brokeback Mountain tonight was part of their Oscar Sundays evening presentations. This was the last screening in a series of selected films being showcased that had been inducted into the National Film Registry.

I hadn't seen this film in quite a long time and seeing it again in a theatre on the silver screen reminded me of the excitement of when the movie originally came out and the event it was and still is. This was a 35mm film print and it was gorgeous. I was wondering if because there's going to be a 4k version coming out this year this film may have been a print from that new rendering. There wasn't a frame or color of musical note or sound out of place.

The introduction just went over the usual things and when he said the movie is near 20 years old it make me look around at the hundreds of people in the audience and wonder how old some of them were when it originally came out--10 or 15 or 20? It was apparently many in the audience hadn't seen it before.

There were many people who had cowboy hats on! I was wondering if I might recognize anyone from the forum who might be there, but I didn't, not that there might have been..

I don't know what else to say about the evening so if anyone has any questions at all please feel free to ask them.

At the end of the movie there's a few credits before the individual cast credits. When the actors names appeared, first Heath and then Jake and then continuing, a steady stream of applause ensued for each one that gratified me. I did hear a few people around us (I went with a couple friends) who I heard say they didn't know Anna Faris was in it, or were surprised to see David Harbour.

Seeing movies in theatres with audiences really is great. I know people can have the best sound systems and TV monitors now, but it's just not the same as what a theatre provides you, especially one dedicated to films!

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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #1719 on: January 29, 2024, 04:15:52 AM »
Hello Lyle!   Thanks for telling us about your experience!  It would be interesting to see it in a theater setting again.

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Re: Awards Aftermath - Part 2
« Reply #1720 on: January 29, 2024, 03:57:00 PM »
^^^ Being you think there were a lot of "first timers"... did you hear those audible "gasp" at those certain key points:

a) Alma seeing Jake and Ennis at the bottom of the steps?
b) The postcard.
c) The mind-flash Ennis had after calling Laureen?
d) The shirts and postcards in the end?

V.

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« Reply #1721 on: January 30, 2024, 10:13:22 AM »
At least for a.) & c.)  I recall some laughter at b.) when Alma asks Ennis if he knows someone named Jack. Laughter in a kind of "whoops did I get caught" manner. It was decidedly really quiet at d.) though. As many times as I've seen the film in a theater, the sustained applause for every cast member in it when the credits rolled at the end is something I've not experienced before; and everyone stayed through all of the credits.

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« Reply #1722 on: January 30, 2024, 11:08:47 AM »
^^^ Maybe the audience was more accepting of the situation now, nearly 20 years later.   I do not recall applause at the end of the film during any of the MANY, MANY showings I've seen - except maybe when we were all in watching it in 2015 together.   

Maybe the controversy that BBM is merely a "gay cowboy" movie -  has finally met it due.  A, c, and d are critical / summit points in the film's structure (IMHO).. that really drive home what Lee was capturing.  V.
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« Reply #1723 on: January 30, 2024, 01:03:12 PM »
^^^ Maybe the audience was more accepting of the situation now, nearly 20 years later.

Anyone choosing to see the film for the first time should be now, I would hope!

I was thinking, when Jack & Ennis reunite and talk about how long it's been -- 4 years -- that we've
now almost had five 4 year periods since the movie was released!  :o


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« Reply #1724 on: February 03, 2024, 12:32:00 PM »
Crash Defeats Brokeback Mountain | Best Picture Oscar 2006


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUo4sn-l6hM