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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2520 on: July 22, 2023, 01:42:26 PM »
--That Girl

I was looking for some kind of retro TV series that I haven't seen in decades and stumbled across That Girl. It was on for 5 seasons on ABC. I see it was never exactly a ratings powerhouse, landing in the ratings in the 40s or 50s of most watched shows, but that was the case for most of ABC's schedule for many years back then.

It was never a show I feel like I paid much attention to, though I remember it, but not so specifically like other shows. At the time it came on I was really into all the gimmicky sitcoms of the 1960s of which there were many! I decided to watch some of That Girl and found myself thinking it a breath of fresh air from all the things I have been watching lately. It's just a "nice" show. It seems now most all shows have gravitated into button pushing premises and you watch what buttons you feel you'd like to have pressed. Nice isn't that. But it's felt good to watch this nice show for several days now.

Interestingly, many people remember the theme song with the lyrics, but I discovered that the lyrics to That Girl were only written for the last season!


Have you ever seen the "Family Guy" parody of the intro?

Here is a side by side comparison.     first link is an episode of "That Girl".  Skip to the time stamp of 2:00, and you'll see the intro starting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHhE1AN5Iao&list=PLtbMv4lXX2mvLb-WQLqbxGh0MDcP1CxNk

Then this is the "Family Guy" parody.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjJS76wOUm0

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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2521 on: July 23, 2023, 10:44:03 AM »
LoL!!!

Thanks, Chuck, I've seen a whole lot of Family Guy, but I do not recall this before. Hysterical!

I remember an SNL parody they did once: That Black Girl. I looked for it, but couldn't find that.


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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2522 on: July 23, 2023, 02:29:32 PM »
--That Girl

We watched that. My memories are really kind of vague. I remember Anne Marie had a boyfriend (played by Ted Bessell), but she was a young woman living on her own making a living, and just now I wondered--could there have been a Mary Richards if there hadn't been an Anne Marie?

Not arguing the point either way; it's just a thought that just popped into my head.

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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2523 on: July 23, 2023, 04:07:49 PM »
There's a short documentary on the 1st Season DVD about how the show came to be and Marlo talks about not wanting to do any of the pilots they were offering her. She said up until then all the women in sitcoms were mothers and homemakers (even on the Munsters and Addams Family) and she had a meeting with an ABC executive and she asked him, "Why do I have to be married; why can't I be single?" She told him most all of her friends weren't married yet, they're in college or working. So they agreed to find something like that and give it a shot. The first pilot they did wasn't testing well. They had Donald as her agent and boyfriend and audiences weren't liking him; Marlo thought maybe it was because he had a certain control over her and made money off her, so they decided to keep him, but only have him as her boy friend and not her agent. And, of course, she'd have a modern wardrobe not being a mother in the series. So you're right she was a precursor to Mary Richards; that show premiered right after That Girl's last season.

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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2524 on: July 23, 2023, 04:16:53 PM »
And even when the series was over, they never did get married.

That was pretty much unheard of.

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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2525 on: July 24, 2023, 06:47:13 AM »
There's a short documentary on the 1st Season DVD about how the show came to be and Marlo talks about not wanting to do any of the pilots they were offering her. She said up until then all the women in sitcoms were mothers and homemakers (even on the Munsters and Addams Family) and she had a meeting with an ABC executive and she asked him, "Why do I have to be married; why can't I be single?" She told him most all of her friends weren't married yet, they're in college or working. So they agreed to find something like that and give it a shot. The first pilot they did wasn't testing well. They had Donald as her agent and boyfriend and audiences weren't liking him; Marlo thought maybe it was because he had a certain control over her and made money off her, so they decided to keep him, but only have him as her boy friend and not her agent. And, of course, she'd have a modern wardrobe not being a mother in the series. So you're right she was a precursor to Mary Richards; that show premiered right after That Girl's last season.

My gosh. I didn't think to look that up.

I wouldn't for a minute think of taking anything away from The Mary Tyler Moore Show, but it's sounding like That Girl was more of a groundbreaker than I ever realized. Has it ever gotten any credit for that?

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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2526 on: July 24, 2023, 10:13:03 AM »
It did get some credit for that, but often her job wasn't the main focus of the series in a career woman sense, like Mary's job was. Ann Marie was an actress and not steadily employed as one, and often had temp jobs. Her parents were also more involved in the series, whereas Mary was "on her own." So, That Girl's often referred to as a forerunner of Mary's series.

Speaking of Mary, That Girl was created by Bill Persky and Sam Denoff, who wrote for The Dick Van Dyke Show and were responsible for some of that series most popular episodes.

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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2527 on: July 24, 2023, 10:15:50 AM »

A rant about sitcoms...

As much as I've always liked watching sitcoms, there hasn't been many in the past half dozen years I've even paid attention to. IMO sitcoms started really losing my interest when the commercial time got longer and longer and that's when more and more sitcoms started using the one camera filming instead of a live audience.

Most sitcoms, whether one camera or in front of live audiences, had a standard pattern. They'd often have both a tag in the beginning of the show and at the end, a short intro scene and ending scene. In the middle was two acts for whatever the situation was that week. The first act set it up and the second act was the payoffs. These shows running times were 25-26 minutes, including theme songs and ending credits. Over time the shows started getting shorter and shorter for commercial time. 24 minutes stayed around a long time when they got to that point, but what didn't was the opening and closing credits. Those got shorter and shorter. An opening theme has been almost nonexistent for a couple decades now. (When Everybody Loves Raymond was on the air, at some point they only used the entire theme in the first episode of every season.) Friends theme was so popular they never cut it down, but they slightly sped it up.

After the extremely popular sitcoms like Everybody Loves Raymond, Friends and Frasier left the air around the time BBM was released, more commercial time started altering how sitcoms were written. They were starting to be written more like sketches. They'd have a theme and each 3-4 minute segment something to do with that theme. Or, there were so many people in the sitcoms that each segment was different people. Example: Modern Family dealt basically with three families all related in some way. The older Father with a young wife and kid, the Mom & Dad with three children and the gay couple, which adopted a child early on. Sometimes each episode had each family with their own plots. Instead of three commercial interruptions, standard for some decades, there were as many as 6-7. I once timed an episode of this show, I think, or it could've been Raising Hope, and segments in between commercials ranged from 2 mins. to 4 mins. 30 secs.

The point is, it's harder to write sitcoms this way. A premise and then payoffs becomes unworkable when you're inserting 6-7 breaks. The Big Bang Theory tried leaving the formula intact by having two 4 or 5 minute commercial breaks. This only worked for them because the show was so popular.

I've been watching Young Sheldon streaming this past season and early on I was pretty astounded to see that most episodes were only around 18 minutes and some seconds long. That's quite a ways away from 26 minutes. And it makes you wonder how the industry in the 1950s and much of the '60s did upwards of 30 episodes a season. From 1964-67 Gilligan's Island did 36, 32 and 30 in their three seasons. And they were all longer episodes by several minutes. And hour shows are now anywhere, in actuality, from 41-43 minutes when they used to run 51-52 mins.

Network viewership has shrunk along with the running times. Besides the structure of a sitcom plot now, what you also miss are actually just more human moments. There's no time for them. Like at the end of Bewitched when Darrin and Samantha would react to a remark or something else with a knowing look, a glance, or maybe a kiss.

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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2528 on: July 30, 2023, 12:14:02 PM »


I just found out that on July 23rd, Inge Swenson died.


Inga Swenson (December 29, 1932 – July 23, 2023) was an American actress and singer. She appeared in multiple Broadway productions and was nominated twice for the Tony Award for Best Actress in a Musical for her performances as Lizzie Curry in 110 in the Shade and Irene Adler in Baker Street. She also spent seven years portraying Gretchen Kraus in the ABC comedy series Benson.  Her portrayal garnered three Emmy nominations.





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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2529 on: August 05, 2023, 10:05:39 AM »
Interesting guest cast on the episode of Wagon Train broadcast this morning. The episode was called "Those Who Stay Behind," from Season 8, original air date Nov. 8, 1964. The cast included (gorgeous) Peter Brown, Bruce Dern, Lola Albright, and Jay North.

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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2530 on: August 05, 2023, 12:19:48 PM »

Don't know why I thought it, but I'll say it: Now 1964 seems like 1864 used to seem like.

I guess that would be the year after Jay North finished Dennis the Menace. I noticed him in an episode of The Lucy Show when he was 15 or 16 and it really seemed to me he was on drugs. I remember a one season show he did around 1967 called Maya. Maya was an elephant. With the success of the movies in the early-mid '60s like Born Free and Flipper and Zebra in the Kitchen (which starred Jay North), a lot of TV shows tried having animals in them at the time. I believe Born Free was also made into a TV series. I know Flipper was!

In the late '70s Jay North enlisted in the Navy for 2-3 years. IMDB says "As of May 2009 he was working as a Correctional Officer at the Reception and Medical Center in Lake Butler, FL. Wikipedia says he was married three times, once, 1973-75, in 1991 for 3 months and in 1993 met a woman with three daughters that he is still married to. No mention in any source that he has had any children himself.

Jay North is 72. Incidentally, his Birthday is on August 3rd, two days ago!

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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2531 on: August 05, 2023, 02:08:41 PM »
He and Paul Petersen (from Donna Reed) formed an organization A Minor Consideration, "using his own experiences as a child performer to counsel other children working in the entertainment industry".

So many child stars seem to have had their earnings stolen and suffered other abuse on the parts of their parents or guardians.

It was formed after the suicide of Rusty Hamer (from Danny Thomas/Make Room for Daddy) in 1990.

http://www.aminorconsideration.org/amc-history/

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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2532 on: August 06, 2023, 07:12:27 PM »
Don't know why I thought it, but I'll say it: Now 1964 seems like 1864 used to seem like.

I remember when "100 years ago" was the 1860s. Now it's the 1920s. I remember when the Battle of the Little Big Horn too place fewer than 100 years ago. I remember when "200 years ago" was before the American Revolution. Now it's the 1820s.

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I guess that would be the year after Jay North finished Dennis the Menace. I noticed him in an episode of The Lucy Show when he was 15 or 16 and it really seemed to me he was on drugs. I remember a one season show he did around 1967 called Maya. Maya was an elephant. With the success of the movies in the early-mid '60s like Born Free and Flipper and Zebra in the Kitchen (which starred Jay North), a lot of TV shows tried having animals in them at the time. I believe Born Free was also made into a TV series. I know Flipper was!

I remember Maya. I don't remember Zebra in the Kitchen.

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Re: Classic TV
« Reply #2533 on: August 26, 2023, 03:32:56 PM »
Bob Barker has passed away at 99 yo.
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« Reply #2534 on: August 26, 2023, 03:42:50 PM »
Good man. And a staunch defender of animal rights too.

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