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thanks lislis.  At least it's a step forward.

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Re: Marriage Equality: Toward victory in U.S.--On to the rest of the world?
« Reply #646 on: June 18, 2022, 05:15:19 PM »
The lower house of the Thai parliament passed a long-delayed marriage equality bill and some civil. partnership bills the other day. They still have to sort out some of the legal consequences before the bills go to the senate.

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Re: Marriage Equality: Toward victory in U.S.--On to the rest of the world?
« Reply #647 on: June 18, 2022, 05:31:15 PM »
Great news on this!   Hope the Senate accepts it and passes it!

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Re: Marriage Equality: Toward victory in U.S.--On to the rest of the world?
« Reply #648 on: June 25, 2022, 07:57:41 AM »
After the overturn of Roe v Wade, I'm waiting to see how long it takes for gay marriage to be overturned.

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Re: Marriage Equality: Toward victory in U.S.--On to the rest of the world?
« Reply #649 on: June 25, 2022, 09:19:21 AM »
After the overturn of Roe v Wade, I'm waiting to see how long it takes for gay marriage to be overturned.

I attended a protest March in West Hollywood last night. What you said is not lost on anyone with some chants of "your rights now, our rights next." And/or depending on who was the shouter and shouttees... "Our rights now, your rights next."

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Re: Marriage Equality: Toward victory in U.S.--On to the rest of the world?
« Reply #650 on: July 01, 2022, 10:23:42 AM »
https://apnews.com/article/abortion-us-supreme-court-health-marriage-71af5f7862f8008299702f7b1a4147b5
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Any attempt to undo gay marriage would begin with a lawsuit, and any possible rollback is years away since no major legal threat is on the horizon

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Re: Marriage Equality: Toward victory in U.S.--On to the rest of the world?
« Reply #651 on: July 01, 2022, 12:08:24 PM »
https://apnews.com/article/abortion-us-supreme-court-health-marriage-71af5f7862f8008299702f7b1a4147b5
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Any attempt to undo gay marriage would begin with a lawsuit, and any possible rollback is years away since no major legal threat is on the horizon

Though it's still the principle of the thing. If 5 members of the court are as vengeful as X's 3 plus 1, they might want to invalidate all marriages that they disapprove of.

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Re: Marriage Equality: Toward victory in U.S.--On to the rest of the world?
« Reply #652 on: July 01, 2022, 12:31:26 PM »
Switzerland has finally joined the ranks.

https://www.joemygod.com/2022/07/same-sex-marriages-being-in-switzerland-video/

A comment: I hope their new law doesn't have any holes in it.

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Re: Marriage Equality: Toward victory in U.S.--On to the rest of the world?
« Reply #653 on: July 01, 2022, 12:47:57 PM »
https://apnews.com/article/abortion-us-supreme-court-health-marriage-71af5f7862f8008299702f7b1a4147b5
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Any attempt to undo gay marriage would begin with a lawsuit, and any possible rollback is years away since no major legal threat is on the horizon

Except that like minded Republicans in many states have been waiting for supportive justices to be on the bench to purposely FIND and INTRODUCE and FAST TRACK lawsuits that the Supreme Court will take so that they can undo these things. It could be sooner than you think. That's why Injustice Thomas courted these things in his abortion concurrence. He said "bring it on now" when the case he was concurring to was nothing about those things.

In fact, the court is up to it already in another matter--voting integrity. They've agreed to hear a case next term, purposely filed now in North Carolina for such a thing.

It’s Hard to Overstate the Danger of the Voting Case the Supreme Court Just Agreed to Hear
by Richard L. Hasen
Slate | June 30, 2022

The Supreme Court on Thursday agreed to hear Moore v. Harper, an “independent state legislature” theory case from North Carolina. This case has the potential to fundamentally rework the relationship between state legislatures and state courts in protecting voting rights in federal elections. It also could provide the path for election subversion in congressional and presidential elections.
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A case about THEORY. Not actuality. THey want to rule on something so the red states can freely enact more of these laws. There is NO reason they should be interfering in a case like that unless they want to uphold all of the insidious laws red states have been enacting into law the last two years to keep their stranglehold on power.


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Re: Marriage Equality: Toward victory in U.S.--On to the rest of the world?
« Reply #654 on: July 01, 2022, 11:30:42 PM »
That's one thing I've been puzzled about since SSM became legal in MA USA in 2004, AFAIK, a legal contract made in one state is valid throughout the USA, how can a state ignore a contract entered into in another state (marriage is a legal contract that must have a court order to end the contract)?

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Re: Marriage Equality: Toward victory in U.S.--On to the rest of the world?
« Reply #655 on: July 02, 2022, 08:14:56 AM »
Ideology will trump everything else in the current Supreme Court.

They're not obliged to be legally consistent, and they don't care that their public standing will go even further down.

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Re: Marriage Equality: Toward victory in U.S.--On to the rest of the world?
« Reply #656 on: July 02, 2022, 11:48:25 AM »
However, I think lislis is on to something here. Are there any examples you can think of regarding contractual agreements in one state that are not recognized by another? Otherwise this is all just conjecture, and as much as I enjoy getting my hair on fire it isn't represented in reality.
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Re: Marriage Equality: Toward victory in U.S.--On to the rest of the world?
« Reply #657 on: July 02, 2022, 11:51:42 AM »
It would be well to get them tied up in a legal knot of their own making.

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Re: Marriage Equality: Toward victory in U.S.--On to the rest of the world?
« Reply #658 on: July 02, 2022, 12:52:22 PM »
What would happen with marriage equality is most likely it would return to each state to decide, just like it was before Obergefell. Just like what happens now leaving abortion rights up to each state. A mess, in other words. Because, the Supreme Court's ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges ended all inter-state legal complications surrounding same-sex marriage, as it orders states to both perform the marriages of same-sex couples and to recognize the marriages of same-sex couples performed in other states.

The inter-state legal complications would return.

Then these states rights could flip flop back and forth between which party controls things in certain states. And don't think these Supreme Court Jesters would care about any of this. For those that were married in a state that then outlawed it, well when California's Prop 8 prohibited marriage equality they just allowed the ones that had already occurred to remain. But other states might not even be that generous. Consistency, or humanity, among other things, will not matter to these inJustices.

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