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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #2250 on: December 31, 2020, 11:43:06 AM »
^^^

I really like Green Book. I have seen it several times. I watched it this month. The last section all takes place at Christmas time. In case anyone hasn't seen it, Cassie is in it! Linda Cardellini. She plays Tony Lip's (Viggo Mortensen) wife.

I'm glad the IMDB rating is high. I hated all the misguided talk about it being a white savior movie (when actually the black guy saves the white guy in essence) and comparison's to Driving Miss Daisy, and other nonsense. It's also a rare movie where the director did not get nominated and it still won Best Picture. (He did receive two Oscars for one of the screenplay authors and producer.)

I think some controversies were highlighted just to divert attention to other possible award winners that year. The family of Don Shirley, Ali's character, kept saying they weren't consulted about this (and movie-makers don't have to consult anyone, by the way) so they kept being written about as peeved by the whole thing and even kept saying that Don & Tony were never lifelong friends. Except that a jazz documentary from the 60's was unearthed where Don Shirley says on film that they were. It's possible they were looking for some money. People have varying motives.

Writing for The San Francisco Chronicle, Mick LaSalle praised Ali and Mortensen and said: "...there's something so deeply right about this movie, so true to the time depicted and so welcome in this moment; so light in its touch, so properly respectful of its characters, and so big in its spirit, that the movie acquires a glow. It achieves that glow slowly, but by the middle and certainly by the end, it's there, the sense of something magical happening, on screen and within the audience."

Steve Pond of The Wrap wrote, "The movie gets darker as the journey goes further South, and as the myriad indignities and humiliations mount. But our investment in the characters rarely flags, thanks to Mortensen and Ali and a director who is interested in cleanly and efficiently delivering a story worth hearing."

Jazz artist Quincy Jones said to a crowd after a screening: "I had the pleasure of being acquainted with Don Shirley while I was working as an arranger in New York in the '50s, and he was without question one of America's greatest pianists ... as skilled a musician as Leonard Bernstein or Van Cliburn ... So it is wonderful that his story is finally being told and celebrated. Mahershala, you did an absolutely fantastic job playing him, and I think yours and Viggo's performances will go down as one of the great friendships captured on film.

And Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's piece about it in The Hollywood Reporter is one I refer anyone to who has complaints about the film as the last word on that subject:

Why the Green Book Controversies Don't Matter
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kareem-abdul-jabbar-truth-green-book-controversy-1175540

I also agree that the color palette of the film is fantastic. I don't know how the film did not receive nominations for art direction/set decoration...it felt just like the period of the early 60's depicted in the film as it made it's way across the eastern half of the U.S. I thought there was never a false note. The film only had 5 nominations total and IMO could have been nominated in many other categories.

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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #2251 on: December 31, 2020, 11:58:20 AM »

--The Trial of the Chicago 7

I'm just getting around and able to see some 2020 films that are being talked about. This film is the story of 7 people on trial stemming from various charges surrounding the uprising at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. It was written and directed by Aaron Sorkin.

It has a large cast including Eddie Redmayne, Alex Sharp, Sacha Baron Cohen, Jeremy Strong, John Carroll Lynch, Mark Rylance, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Frank Langella and Michael Keaton, any one of whom could be nominated for an Oscar, though Joseph Gordon-Levitt's rather normal lawyer character isn't the stuff of Oscar nominations. Particular stand-outs are Mark Rylance, Frank Langella and Sasha Baron Cohen.

I really liked the film. It has a lot of drama and humor and biting commentary on the justice system of the time. And probably now. Those times were not unlike the turmoil the country is in now politically, but with way less media involvement. The fact that I remember when this trial was going on, or rather I knew of it but really didn't know what was going on, was a strange experience. 
I highly recommend it.

As of this morning, the Rotten Tomatoes critics and audience score is equal at 91%. The RT concensus of the movie is: An actors' showcase enlivened by its topical fact-based story, The Trial of the Chicago 7 plays squarely -- and compellingly -- to Aaron Sorkin's strengths.

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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #2252 on: December 31, 2020, 05:36:44 PM »

I just ordered Green Book the other day - can't wait!

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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #2253 on: January 01, 2021, 05:04:05 PM »
Anybody have plans to watch anything in particular for New Year's Eve?

I may watch Close Encounters, but I haven't yet made up my mind for sure.


I did watch Close Encounters last night, and something struck me that I hadn't really noticed before.

First of all, I would swear that when I saw the movie in the theater, the closing music, as the Mother Ship returns to space, was an instrumental of the song "When You Wish Upon A Star," from Disney's Pinocchio. This is not the music on my DVD; I've begun to wonder if it was licensing thing.

Anyway, what hit me last night was that early in the film, Roy (Richard Dreyfus) wants to take his kids to the movies to see ... Pinocchio. I never made that connection before.

Whenever I watch Close Encounters, I like to watch for the cameo by J. Allen Hynek, who devised the numerical system for classifying UFO encounters. One episode of the now-gone series Project Blue Book had a scene of Hynek being interviewed on the set of Close Encounters.
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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #2254 on: January 01, 2021, 09:36:09 PM »
I just watched The Graduate! I can't believe I've never seen it before, it's a Classic, I think? I was toooo young when it first arrived in the theaters. I thought surely I had viewed it on TV in later years, but NOPE, did not. I just knew a lot of the Paul Simon songs from the film.

LOVED IT!!  ;D

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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #2255 on: January 02, 2021, 12:37:37 AM »
^^^ "The Graduate" is one of the best films of that era (IMHO).  I was way too young too see it initially but eventually saw it.  It caused quite a stir as a "scandalous film at the time...."  The film's tunes absolute "classics" for that generation and itt launched Hoffman's career.   8)

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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #2256 on: January 02, 2021, 12:18:13 PM »
Thank you so much for providing me with all that information, Lyle (Mooska)!

I surely enjoyed Moonlight as well. That film is one that would have been lovely to see a sequel to. Luckily there are people who write fan fiction for this film.
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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #2257 on: January 02, 2021, 01:58:18 PM »
^^^ You're welcome!

I did watch Close Encounters last night, and something struck me that I hadn't really noticed before.

First of all, I would swear that when I saw the movie in the theater, the closing music, as the Mother Ship returns to space, was an instrumental of the song "When You Wish Upon A Star," from Disney's Pinocchio. This is not the music on my DVD; I've begun to wonder if it was licensing thing.

Anyway, what hit me last night was that early in the film, Roy (Richard Dreyfus) wants to take his kids to the movies to see ... Pinocchio. I never made that connection before.


Sometimes with some Spielberg films and Lucas films, it's hard to know what's what because they keep tinkering with them over the years. (There's two versions of E.T. now, the 20th Anniversary edition being the second one with a few extra scenes and some digital enhancements -- he replaced the shotguns police were aiming at the kids with walkie-talkies -- and lightened it up here and there.) There are three theatrical release versions of Close Encounters and were all included in one release around 2007, since then I don't know if there's been Blu-Ray releases. He does not count the TV version that was first shown as a release where he incorporated some scenes into it not in the first theatrical release. I've seen all three theatrical versions in theaters. I saw it several times when it first came out and then two years later a couple more times when the Special Edition came out and then years later a special screening at AMPAS when Spielberg put together his version he decided would be THE version (which doesn't include going inside the ship, which I feel...once you showed us that, you can't take it away).

I also saw the 40th Anniversary theatrical release around Labor Day in 2017. That may have been a promotional release to coincide with a Blu-Ray edition.

In any case, if you listen to the final suite of music in the film in which part of it is the credits music, the "When You Wish Upon a Star" music is there, perhaps it just wasn't in the place you expected it. I don't know.

In my opinion, in a Spielberg movie, it would stay in. I mean, he still has a scene from Dumbo in 1941 that Disney has now edited out of the original because of some sort of racial sensitivity now. (I hate this mentality of white-washing films and TV nowadays.)

Here's a link to the music, the part in question is in the second half:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-jdkM2q5t0

And here's a couple quotes from John Williams and Steven Spielberg about using that music:

In an 1998 interview with Ian Lace, John Williams explained:

"In this spirit, the idea to incorporate When You Wish Upon A Star was Spielberg's. I think for him, it had something to do with the innocence of childhood and Walt Disney's music, especially Pinocchio, that we all loved as children. He wanted to attach that childhood innocence to a feeling of nostalgia that would effect an audience. So, in a situation that is alien - completely remote from our experience - seeing these creatures and their machines but hearing something very familiar, When You Wish Upon A Star, you feel safe and at home."

Steven Spielberg said in an interview:

On Close Encounters, I had a very important decision to make: whether or not to use the Walt Disney song, "When You Wish Upon a Star" at the end of the movie with Jiminy Cricket's actual voice performing it. And the only way I could tell was to have two different previews, on two different nights: one night with the song lyrics, one night without it. I then analyzed the preview cards very carefully, interviewed the people who left the theater, and made a determination that the audience wanted to be transported into another world along with Richard Dreyfuss as he walked aboard the mothership. They didn't want to be told the film was a fantasy, and the song lyrics seemed to belie some of the authenticity and to bespeak fantasy and fairy tale. And I didn't want Close Encounters to end just in a dream, so I decided to use the music without the lyrics.

About your mention of Dreyfuss wanting to take them to see Pinnochio, I don't know if the following is accurate, but a commenter referenced this on an article about the movie saying that this scene was in the Special Edition version. He seemed to be indicating it wasn't in all versions, but that isn't clear.

Movies shouldn't have several versions, heh!

I hear there's a newly edited version of The Godfather III out there now.

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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #2258 on: January 02, 2021, 05:37:34 PM »
Tonight I'll be watching one of my ALL TIME favorite films, The Big Chill, which I think is a Classic among the BabyBoomer crowd!  ;D

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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #2259 on: January 03, 2021, 02:58:28 AM »
^^^^ Oh my yes!  It's been a while since I've watched the film. Highly recommended!   

On my initial viewing, I walked outta the theater and a friend and I literally went WTF? I was too young to fathom the underlying currents in the film.  When I saw it again ~ 2-3 years later, TBC just hit me like a ton of bricks!  Totally different perspective and depths that still give me chill bumps when I think about the message and context.

This is also the film where Costner, who played Alex, the guy who had died, ended up on the cutting room floor - well all except the wrists.   ;)

Good choice!  Stay safe, stay alive. V.
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« Reply #2260 on: January 03, 2021, 08:06:05 AM »
I kept it in my recordings. I forgot how much I loved the film, plus the stellar cast and dialogue, just timeless to me. A Classic, IMHO!  ;)

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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #2261 on: January 03, 2021, 12:26:28 PM »


--Mank

This is a story about secluding away writer Herman J. Mankiewicz, in dubious health, so he can write and finish the script for Citizen Kane in a rather short period of time. It's directed by David Fincher.  Gary Oldman plays Mank. (His brother Joseph went on to greater acclaim in the business at 20th Century Fox.) I don't know the actor who played Orson Welles, though we hear him on the phone more than see him.

Though the character is known as and was called "Mank', this name for the movie feels wrong. It just doesn't sound appealing. Besides that, I thought the film was good, though it's staying power with me has proved low already. It's filmed in b&w, and while that's no problem for me at all, for some reason in this film it just didn't seem right. It felt unreal. Why? Not sure.

There are often flashbacks in the film to Herman's dealings and relationships with William Randolph Hearst and Marion Davies, and those in the world of MGM, like Louis B. Mayer and Irving Thalberg and also David O. Selznick. The behind the scenes stuff at Hearst Castle is really priceless. And it shows how and why they influenced Citizen Kane's story.

I enjoyed the political aspects depicted of the 1934 Governor's race for California, which most people probably don't know, but was one for the ages in this state, between writer Sinclair Lewis and Frank Merriam. You might find Merriam's warnings calling on his supporters to fight against “radicalism and Socialism,” hardly new to Republican office seekers. Louis B. Mayer and Irving Thalberg helping out with dirty tricks in the election may not be known so well. Mayer is often talked about in movies or documentaries as tough, regimented etc., but this film shows these mean attributes. Upton Sinclair came to fame writing a book that exposed the the unfair labor practices and sanitary conditions in the meatpacking industry. (Big business doesn't want exposure.) That book was called The Jungle. He wrote many many more books like this including one called Oil, which was the basis for the movie There Will Be Blood.

I just looked up something about Sinclair and I saw a photo of him and he reminds me of John Ossoff. I hope Ossoff's political fate is not the same. If anyone's interested there's a fascinating 1992 book about the 1934 Gubernatorial race titled "The Campaign of the Century: Upton Sinclair's Race for Governor of California and the Birth of Media Politics by Greg Mitchell (Random House).

This film has garnered good critical reviews.

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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #2262 on: January 04, 2021, 04:22:16 PM »
Saturday night I pulled Last of the Dogmen (1995) off my shelf for something easy and fun to watch. There's nothing great about this film--I think it might even qualify as a family film--or at least a family friendly film--it's just a fun, easy-going little movie.

There is an enormous hole in the plot resolution which I will not reveal just in case anybody actually wants to watch this film.

The movie has one huge thing going for it--the scenery. It was filmed in the same region where BBM would be filmed 10 years later.

(The term Dogmen refers to a warrior society in the Cheyenne nation. A writer at IMDb who says he is Northern Cheyenne says that Cheyenne language spoken in the movie is really the Cheyenne language and is spoken well.)

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« Reply #2263 on: January 04, 2021, 08:12:32 PM »
Rick and I loved this movie and was one we watched several times. I have always loved it.
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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #2264 on: January 04, 2021, 08:48:42 PM »
Spielberg put together his version he decided would be THE version (which doesn't include going inside the ship, which I feel...once you showed us that, you can't take it away).

I agree.

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In any case, if you listen to the final suite of music in the film in which part of it is the credits music, the "When You Wish Upon a Star" music is there, perhaps it just wasn't in the place you expected it. I don't know.

I thought I remembered hearing it as we still see the ship ascend, but my memory may be wrong.


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Movies shouldn't have several versions, heh!

I agree with that, too. The box holding my DVD labels it as "The Collector's Edition," whatever that's supposed to mean.