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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #3285 on: May 11, 2022, 11:00:35 AM »
I clicked on both links. I had no clue.

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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #3286 on: May 14, 2022, 10:06:52 AM »

--Greyhound

A WWII film from 2020, it had an Oscar nomination for sound. Tom Hanks is the lead in it and Elisabeth Shue a brief role in it, too.

Synopsis: Hanks plays a U.S. Navy Cmdr. assigned to lead an Allied convoy across the Atlantic during World War II. His convoy, however, is pursued by German U-boats. Although it's his first wartime mission, he finds himself embroiled in what would come to be known as the longest, largest and most complex naval battle in history: The Battle of the Atlantic.

I liked it because it's not an area of WWII that movies have dwelled upon very much. Also, it dwelled on the action instead of more character investigation so it didn't overstay it's welcome, running around 90 minutes.

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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #3287 on: May 15, 2022, 06:51:38 AM »
^^^ Thanks for the recommendation on "Greyhound (2020) !!"
Watched it last night.  I'm always attracted to WWI/WWII era films.  The film is nuanced, detailed and very refreshing over many more recent films. I felt like I was an observer to some of the more dangerous and deadly risks of WW II.  Brian Tallerico's review on Roger Ebert's site frames the film and Hank's purpose in making it well.  Recognizing those 3500+ ships and 70,000+ lives lost crossing the Atlantic is important.

To an average movie goer, his rating of two stars is probably accurate. If you are going in expecting something like historical "super hero" film, you will be disappointed.  That's not the point of this film.  OTOH, his summary of those real heros - elevates it for me into 3.5 of 4. 

-> https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/greyhound-movie-review-2020

"Hanks the actor finds a way to inject a subtle glimmer of doubt or fear, but this is one of the most purposeful war movies ever made in how little it offers outside of the naval events that justify its existence. On the one hand, the direct approach is admirable in an era of bloated blockbusters, and there’s something about a simple story of well-told heroism that’s almost refreshing. However, Schneider can’t figure out how to elevate it beyond those minimal intentions, and “Greyhound” starts to become numbing in its tactics, a film whose simplicity feels more shallow than lean. And, yes, there is a difference.  .... It’s a classic story of someone who would never call himself a hero, but most certainly was one to those he protected on his convoy. "

BTW, anyone seen "Foxhole (2022)"?  -> https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/foxhole-movie-review-2022
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« Reply #3288 on: May 15, 2022, 02:58:30 PM »
You're welcome, Vincent. I, too, am "always attracted to WWI/WWII era films."

To an average movie goer, his rating of two stars is probably accurate. If you are going in expecting something like historical "super hero" film, you will be disappointed. That's not the point of this film.

You are right about this. After I saw it I was thinking that most people wouldn't like this movie so much. It's more like an immersive war experience. A film for people who have seen lots of, specifically, WWII films, and this is like a piece of a collective puzzle that I enjoyed filling in.

[...] ...how little it offers outside of the naval events that justify its existence. Schneider [the director] can’t figure out how to elevate it beyond those minimal intentions, and “Greyhound” starts to become numbing in its tactics, a film whose simplicity feels more shallow than lean. And, yes, there is a difference.  .... It’s a classic story of someone who would never call himself a hero, but most certainly was one to those he protected on his convoy."

I don't agree with his idea that it feels shallow more than lean. Wondering what idea(s) the author thinks would need to be included that would "elevate it outside the naval events"? Is he talking about possibly a specific mission goal? Or more characters that we personally get to know? One of the things I started wondering during the movie was exactly who some of these characters are, where were they from, what they were thinking, which actually made me more interested in them than if I actually really knew anything more about them. (Make sense?) In a sense, it made me feel a part of them instead of an observer of them.

BTW, anyone seen "Foxhole (2022)"?  -> https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/foxhole-movie-review-2022

No, just learning about it from you. Seems it's just opened/available. There's only nine reviews of it on Rotten Tomatoes so far and from those who like it and those that don't seems to be they either like the conceit of it, or they don't; don't think it works. I'm intrigued.

There's another WWII film that NetFlix has just opened, too. It's called Operation Mincemeat. It stars Colin Firth.  IMDB lists it as a 2021 movie, but the only place it played in 2021 was once at a British Film Festival in Australia last November. It's really a 2022 release. The RT Critics Consensus with 85 reviews is: If its fact-based story proves more fascinatingly outlandish than it's presented here, Operation Mincemeat remains an engaging and well-acted wartime drama.

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« Reply #3289 on: May 16, 2022, 11:07:33 AM »

--Operation Mincemeat

Decided to watch this new NetFlix entry last night. Stars Colin Firth. Penelope Wilton also stars whom some might remember from Downton Abbey. Also starring is Kelly MacDonald and off and on I kept wondering where I'd seen her before and so this morning I looked her up. I know her from a regular role she had on Boardwalk Empire.

This WWII film is an espionage thriller and this storyline from IMDB sums it up nicely: In the context of WWII narratives, the story of Operation Mincemeat is unique; a bizarre and seductive cinematic blend of high-level espionage and ingenious fiction, where the stakes could hardly be higher. Michelle Ashford's script fuses multiple strands and moods: tense, romantic, thrilling, unexpectedly funny, and endlessly surprising. It tells a richly human story of the soldiers we seldom see, who fight a different kind of war in shadows and deception, haunted by the knowledge that certainty and guarantee of success are nowhere to be found. It's based on based on Ben Macintyre's expansive 2010 book “Operation Mincemeat: The True Spy Story That Changed the Course of World War II.” “The story of Operation Mincemeat is true,” explains Macintyre, who was involved in the process of making the film.

If one is so inclined to watch a film like this, I enjoyed it, and recommend it.



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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #3290 on: May 18, 2022, 05:12:13 PM »
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I don't agree with his idea that it feels shallow more than lean. Wondering what idea(s) the author thinks would need to be included that would "elevate it outside the naval events"? Is he talking about possibly a specific mission goal? Or more characters that we personally get to know? One of the things I started wondering during the movie was exactly who some of these characters are, where were they from, what they were thinking, which actually made me more interested in them than if I actually really knew anything more about them. (Make sense?) In a sense, it made me feel a part of them instead of an observer of them.

I watched "Greyhound (2020)" carefully b/c of the historical accuracy for  how such crossings played.  The drama was all naval - from the cat/mouse games between the American ships and German Uboats to those thousands of people drowning in the escorted ships torpedoed by those German Uboats.  Notice that only twice were they able to rescue anyone from the ships and then it was only a small number of surviviors.  The convoy simply could not stop and everyone onboard every ship knew that going in.  But they had a mission and job to do.

We only got a few details and insights into the Captain and maybe one or two of the crew and the captain's chief.  We are shown the interaction between the Captain and his chief, Cleavland, a black man, who was later killed defending the Greyhound, I think, on purpose to draw attention to the many contributions black Americans made and gave to America - many never acknowledged.  It was a strange vibe when Cleavland's drapped body first refused to slide easily off the burial plank into the sea.  Hmmm, what's the context of that shot? 

By not letting us into the characters private lives, in a way, it makes us want to know more about them.  Clearly they performed important and life-saving functions.  Don't they deserve to be "better known?"  Don't they deserve a better place in history for all the lives they saved?   Who knows - maybe many of us would not be here today if it was not for someone like served onboard those ships? 

Yes, I'm still reading "Coming Out Under Fire" and thinking how many of those men surely were gay? It's a very long read and I'm about 1/2 way through but it continues to amaze me the amount of work which went into that book.  It's a "life's work" really.   V.
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« Reply #3291 on: May 19, 2022, 11:34:27 AM »
Liked reading your comments, Vincent, thank you!

Yes, I'm still reading "Coming Out Under Fire" and thinking how many of those men surely were gay? It's a very long read and I'm about 1/2 way through but it continues to amaze me the amount of work which went into that book.  It's a "life's work" really.   V.

And this. I, too, find this book a long read, and I really mean that in the best way. I just never cared how long it was going to take me to read it. I just loved every little detail I was discovering. I've gone back to it several times and read passages. I still think about things I read in the book and I first read it when it came out in 1990. It's one book that I checked each footnote when one was indicated, too, because there was more fascinating information in many of them. And, like you, it informs the way I view and look at films about WWII.

Recently I happened to see a photo on a website of a book that looked interesting to me and I clicked on it and it happened to be the 20th Anniversary edition of this same book, which said had a new introduction which was written by historians John D'Emilio and Estelle B. Freedman. I have read one of D'Emilio's books, too, "Gay New York."  In the days of prevalent bookstores I would have gone to one and read that new introduction.*** And this edition was still while D.A.D.T. was still in effect. Underneath the photo of this edition was written, "Bérubé's book has become a classic since it was published in 1990."  It struck me that I've never heard a non-fiction book described as a classic. Or at least I've never noticed it.

***This introduction happens to be included on a site that lets you read selected portions of the book. If one wants, just click the link and then in the column where it says "Foreward" click on that.
https://flexpub.com/preview/coming-out-under-fire

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« Reply #3292 on: May 19, 2022, 11:41:52 AM »

--Downton Abbey: A New Era

The only thing to say about this new film is that if one has watched and liked the TV series and the first movie, then you'll enjoy spending time with them all in this second film.

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Re: What Movie Did You Watch This Weekend? The Third.
« Reply #3293 on: May 20, 2022, 09:06:27 AM »
^^^ Eagerly awaiting DA!  Got tickets for a Monday early afternoon. Hoping the theater will be mostly empty! Was going this weekend but with the COVID #'s  are rising rapidly around here. I deferred for a safer timeslot.

Lyle, THANKS for the link with the foreword.  Quite intriguing.  It became very clear once I got 25% in that COUF was a significant work of non-fiction.  IDK how much Mr. Bérubé had toured the country or that his work had played into both the formation of DADT and it's final repeal.  Just WOW.... The foreword explains a lot about how the work is holding my attention.  It's very REAL.

"Yet, as reviews in both academic journals and newspapers attest, Coming Out Under Fire, in addition to being meticulously researched, was written in an appealing style, designed to reach interested general readers as well as students of history. Second, Bérubé's study, unlike most of the existing gay and lesbian histories, focused on a core topic, central to the narrative of twentieth-century U.S. history, World War II. By inserting gay and lesbian experience right in its midst, Bérubé provided an entirely new perspective from which to understand the importance of the war. Rather than being separate from or marginal to the American story, this narrative of men who loved men and women who loved women implicitly argued that gays and lesbians have been an integral part of the nation's history. "   V.

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« Reply #3294 on: May 20, 2022, 10:07:26 AM »
Lyle, THANKS for the link with the foreword.  Quite intriguing.  It became very clear once I got 25% in that COUF was a significant work of non-fiction.  IDK how much Mr. Bérubé had toured the country or that his work had played into both the formation of DADT and it's final repeal.  Just WOW.... The foreword explains a lot about how the work is holding my attention.  It's very REAL.

You're quite welcome, Vincent!

This book's footnotes and such is the reason I've read many other books I had no idea about, especially in 1990 when it came out and there were no computers to research things like that.



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« Reply #3295 on: May 20, 2022, 10:08:19 AM »
^^^ Eagerly awaiting DA!  Got tickets for a Monday early afternoon. Hoping the theater will be mostly empty! Was going this weekend but with the COVID #'s  are rising rapidly around here. I deferred for a safer timeslot.

I don't blame you for doing that...waiting. I mean, it seems ALL of the nightly talk show hosts have caught it and two of them twice! When our grocery stores stopped requiring masks for entry I wasn't going to wear one there, then my friend, whom I went to DA with, remarked that because he reads a local news website he peruses a column where covid outbreaks occur and he says most of them are always at grocery stores and places like Target or Walmarts and Best Buys and such. So, I thought, why take the chance? It doesn't bother me. The employees wear them, that should tell you something.

Since the DA series was aired on television and then they made the first movie, this friend and I have thought we should make it a point to see these in a theatre, where it feels equally at home! He was leaving on Thursday, yesterday, to visit family and friends for some graduations of family members, so we decided to go to the Wednesday night special one showing DA screenings Focus Features was having before it was officially released today. I'm glad we didn't wait. By the way, most of the people in the theatre did not wear masks, but we did.

Also, in our theatre they showed a several minute recap of things from the first movie, like they did for the first movie, that some theaters don't show as attested by forum members previously, so if you want to watch it, here is the online link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ-mWHdxSFM

And even if you've seen it once it's fine to see again! It's narrated by the actor who plays Moseley. Do you know Moseley's first name? You'll see why I ask.

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« Reply #3296 on: May 20, 2022, 10:20:32 AM »
Thanks for the link and heads up.  We for sure get 20 mins of "previews" and now ADs so we never know what they may or may not show.  Keep those N95 masks on... this virus is insidious!

FWIW, and this is not the forum, so I'll post it over in Current Events... Long COVID is very real and is proving costly not only to those with it but their whole concept of the rest of their lives - retirement, ...  Stay awake, stay masked - it's very real.

A worthy, sobering read. -> https://ultimatebrokebackforum.com/index.php?topic=49272.msg3054696#msg3054696

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« Reply #3297 on: May 20, 2022, 11:33:03 AM »
Isn't that funny? Until I just now looked him up, for no earthly reason I can think of, I thought Hugh Dancy was Canadian.

I still think he was awfully pretty--in a good way--when he was young.  :D

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« Reply #3298 on: May 24, 2022, 07:07:37 AM »
Saw "Downton Abby: A New Era" mid-day yesterday.  I was a bit surprised with the theater was 75% full. Everyone had the same idea, let's go when it's likely no-one else will be there!  I've tried to avoid any spoilers.
 
Overall, the film had "a little bit of resolution (something) for everyone".  It was clearly written to over-the-top please DA long-time fans!  The camera work, the costumes, the expansive camera shots, the witty dialog!   Lyle, yes, they previewed the "catch-up" segment with "Mosley" and it was helpful to refresh the story arc-line.

I enjoyed the film. It felt like a vivid glimpse into what were privileged lives, and their drama, of that era. It was almost romantic in the framing every shot and accompanying dialog. When compared to "Dr. Strange" which I saw a week or so earlier, it was welcome relief from feeling like I was punched.

This film feels like closure for many threads.  I'm not sure how many more films they can conjure but the door is most certainly open!  I was surprised that they did not make comment on the success or failure of the film being filmed as part of the story.  They made such a big deal about this film being made, as a central plot element in _many_ ways - I mean, damn "Mary" was doing to the voice-over.  They also made a big deal about the talkies overtaking the silents - mid-stream and then ...nothing! 

Glenn Kenny's review was amusing but not entirely out of line.

Ebert's reviewer gave the film 3 stars - Glenn Kenny -> https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/downton-abbey-a-new-era-2022

"It would be a little cruel to call the world of “Downton Abbey” the Marvel Cinematic Universe for the senior set. But it wouldn’t be entirely inaccurate. I’m almost eligible to collect Social Security myself, so I can say it. In any event, this film represents an excellent job of fan service on several levels. All these characters are convincingly acted, of course they are. I mentioned the handling of the storylines. And the movie is really pleasant to look at. "
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« Reply #3299 on: May 24, 2022, 10:23:28 AM »

I'd now like Thomas to write a journal.  :)