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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #450 on: May 03, 2024, 09:30:57 PM »
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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #451 on: May 10, 2024, 11:08:00 AM »
I take it, from the messages I see, that the average BBM'er isn't a Trump fan?
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« Reply #452 on: May 10, 2024, 11:32:28 AM »
You would  be correct.

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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #453 on: May 10, 2024, 11:40:24 AM »

I'd say most of those who may have been so inclined on the forum here, left in 2016-17 when they were asked about their inclination and their answer was ultimately leaving.




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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #454 on: May 10, 2024, 11:53:15 AM »
That may be true, Lyle. Yet by that time, this forum was over 10 years old! I don't know about other forums online, seems like 10 years is a long life for online forums. Maybe not though, I have no idea!  :o

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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #455 on: May 10, 2024, 11:58:02 AM »
Right.

As a European the matter isn't as directly concerning to me as it would be for an American. There is concern here, of course, that he may cancel standing agreements and such. That would definitely have effect here.

I'm not sure what executive power he would actually have to do any these things though he clearly has influence. He didn't seem to have done much of what he bragged about last time.

What I find most surprising is that the Democrats couldn't find someone younger and more dynamic to appeal to the voters, especially the younger people.
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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #456 on: May 10, 2024, 10:21:37 PM »
That may be true, Lyle. Yet by that time, this forum was over 10 years old! I don't know about other forums online, seems like 10 years is a long life for online forums. Maybe not though, I have no idea!  :o

I think you're correct. Social media my have an effect, too. Elsewhere I understand a lot of people decamped for some place on Facebook; I wonder how many are still active there?

I guess social media either didn't exist or was in its infancy when this or other forums were started, but I don't remember for sure.

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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #457 on: May 10, 2024, 11:06:59 PM »
Forums aren't easy to use on a mobile. And they don't offer that most important (to their makers) feature; endless advertising or have easy sharing possibilities. Bots can read them but what use if there are no advertising opportunities?

The popular social media also seem to be very visually oriented, video instead of text. Perhaps the new generation of users is simply shallower and more narcissistic? Short texts, or just strings of emojis instead of real words. Lots of Me-Pics.

Most forums I use are tech-oriented, for support or help, where video is less important than actual, text-based information.

I don't use the social media because I don't like the bias and greed behind it.

I'm amazed, and pleased! that this forum is still around after almost 20 years.
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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #458 on: May 11, 2024, 06:12:31 AM »
I think you're correct. Social media my have an effect, too. Elsewhere I understand a lot of people decamped for some place on Facebook; I wonder how many are still active there?

I guess social media either didn't exist or was in its infancy when this or other forums were started, but I don't remember for sure.


Yes, there are two different BBM Facebook pages that members of both here and Bettermost have gone to.

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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #459 on: May 11, 2024, 09:43:19 AM »
What I find most surprising is that the Democrats couldn't find someone younger and more dynamic to appeal to the voters, especially the younger people.

However, I cannot think of an instance where a sitting President who wanted to run for a second term has been denied being renominated. Also, a sitting President who has had a serious challenge from another in their own party has always lost*, so no Democrat was going to attempt that.

*Ford lost in 1976 when Gov. Ronald Reagan challenged him for the nomination. Then Carter lost in 1980 after being challenged for the nomination by Sen. Ted Kennedy. Not exactly the same, but Ross Perot wasn't happy with George H.W. Bush in 1992 and he didn't challenge him directly, but he entered as a third party candidate and took enough votes away from him that he lost. By all metrics used to evaluate a Presidency over a term, Biden has been doing extremely well, but young people always want a new shiny toy.


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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #460 on: May 11, 2024, 11:00:52 AM »
I see. Not a time to take risks then, but bet on the incumbent.

Biden is clearly an intelligent, educated man, and a lifelong politician. He'd have my vote (in this case). He should have run in 2016, then we would never have seen the likes of Trump, but Hillary wouldn't have it, I guess. She must've figured that, after an African-American president, a woman would be acceptable. It probably is now, except they didn't want her... Though she did win the popular vote, I understand.

Yeah, I remember Ross Perot, I was in New York at that time. "You got a problem, I can fix it!" I liked him.

As for Trump, I'm following his antics (hard to avoid) and I almost wish he would win because then I won't have to bother with the news for the next four years. There'd be only one topic all day, like last time.

But no, I'd never go for anyone who campaigns on a platform of hate and general xenophobia. Not to mention his seeming ignorance of geopolitics. My favourite nickname I came across for him is "Agent Orange". Toxic.

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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #461 on: May 11, 2024, 01:26:58 PM »
My favourite nickname I came across for him is "Agent Orange". Toxic.

I recently noticed a headline that claimed that someone has referred to him as an "orange turd."  :laugh:

This week's edition of the Philadelphia Gay News has an op-ed by Victoria Brownworth, who has covered politics for mainstream and gay publications for something like 40 years. She points out that everything Trump said he would do (ex.: appoint conservative judges, overturn Roe v. Wade) he has done, so we should believe what he now says he will do if he is reelected (ex.: essentially destroy the civil service--pack it with loyalists, use the justice department to go after his enemies--including Obama).  >:(

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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #462 on: May 11, 2024, 02:45:46 PM »
LOL. That would fit too.

My American sister surely believes he's god sent. My late mom also liked him but called him a baboon nonetheless.

I just think it's a pity how he has divided Americans. Some American friends of mine won't even date someone from the opposite camp. That can never be a good sign. What will he do if loses? Start another insurrection, who knows. He seems like a sore loser to me.

We have our own problems here in Europe. European Elections next month with the (far) right set to gain significantly. Yet another war on European soil with far too little real support, IMO. And our first defense against Islam extremism embroiled in excessive bloodshed, if the numbers are true.

I think, as a Western society, there are dangers that threaten our way of life, and we must do more to protect it.
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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #463 on: May 11, 2024, 08:13:13 PM »
I just think it's a pity how he has divided Americans. Some American friends of mine won't even date someone from the opposite camp. That can never be a good sign. What will he do if loses? Start another insurrection, who knows. He seems like a sore loser to me.

He is a sore loser. He uncorked the bottle of a lot of resentment that had been building in a lot of people for a long time. And at least one of his supporters has already said he won't accept the results of the election if Trump loses. (I think maybe it was Tim Scott, senator from South Carolina--but I may be mistaken about who it was who said it.)

That's truly frightening.

And I am truly frightened.

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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #464 on: May 12, 2024, 04:51:04 AM »
Yes, I agree.

One of the main points of contention, as it is in the US, is illegal immigration. Brussels, as well as individual governments, have been too slow to react to the rising discontentment of the average citizen. This has enabled the far right parties to proliferate on a platform of xenophobia. Italy and the Netherlands now have leaders who are part of this movement, and they are still the moderates, seeking to curb immigration, tempering their initial rhetoric, to find reasonable and sensible ways without instilling violence.

France and Germany, the two top economies of the EU, are losing this middle ground and have finally come to agreements to stem the tide, in fear of losing altogether. I have always favored the Australian model, "If we don't need you, you need to leave". This has nothing to do with race, religion or ethnicity. Europe is in need of skilled and qualified labor, not masses of uneducated. The need for manual labor is increasingly limited.

The cost to the average taxpayer, already under pressure from cost of living and other crises, is immense. These people need to be processed, housed, (medically) treated, etc. And there are societal costs; migrant neighborhoods do not integrate, they have higher crime rates, which again costs more to regulate, which again feeds discrimination and resentment.

They are people, we cannot sink the boats or shoot them out of the water, and I hope that day never comes, but there are limits to what can be absorbed and some kind of sensible procedure must be enforced.

Part of Trump's rhetoric is about the immigration problem. But his promise to close the border didn't happen, Mexico certainly didn't pay for the wall, why should they. And I understand he even blocked recent policy because it would favor Biden. So does he really care about this issue? Apparently not.

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