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« Reply #465 on: May 12, 2024, 05:11:39 AM »
On the good news side of things, the first non-binary person, from Switzerland, won the Eurovision Song Contest last night, making another step forward to inclusion and acceptance of diversity!

See https://eurovision.tv/

(Meanwhile outside the venue there were massive protests against Israel's participation because of Gaza.)

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« Reply #466 on: May 12, 2024, 12:21:14 PM »
I understand he even blocked recent policy because it would favor Biden. So does he really care about this issue? Apparently not.

That's exactly right. He got his minions to sink bipartisan legislation that would have dealt with the problem because it's too good an issue to use against Biden instead of fixing the problem.

A current ad has a clip of Biden very forcefully saying, "Nobody is going to be deported." I know that's taken out of context. I think it came from a statement he made about the so-called Dreamers not being deported. Actually, I might be wrong about the exact context, but I'm sure it didn't refer to the current illegal immigration problem.

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« Reply #467 on: May 12, 2024, 02:24:53 PM »
The one thing that people whining about immigration and all the rhetoric around immigration do not understand is the underlying demographics of the USA.  Due to the US's and others lower birth rates @ ~ 2.1 kids per household, there is a cliff coming which is unsustainable financially.  This has been well documented in quite a few demographic and population studies yet all that is never discussed so it's never understood because of the antics by MAGA crowd.  They still think if we close the boarders and deport everyone BUT THEM... things will continue as they have for them and their kids and grandkids.  Sorry boomers that's not going to happen.  In fact, the reliable and well respected scientific studies clearly show quite the opposite occurs over time.   I just took a class in US Demographics and it was a very interesting contrast b/c there were a few MAGA lovers in the room which had their BS turned on it's head.   I still don't know if they learned anything.  V.   

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« Reply #468 on: May 12, 2024, 03:12:37 PM »
I think there is something else nobody, including the MAGAts, don't discuss--and it really is nasty and exploitive--but many of those immigrants are willing to take jobs that "real Americans" won't take. "Real Americans" don't want to pick strawberries and heads of lettuce under a blazing hot sun, or clean nasty bathrooms--but many immigrants will.

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« Reply #469 on: May 13, 2024, 01:42:32 AM »
The one thing that people whining about immigration and all the rhetoric around immigration do not understand is the underlying demographics of the USA.  Due to the US's and others lower birth rates @ ~ 2.1 kids per household, there is a cliff coming which is unsustainable financially.

Absolutely. If you want to send your kids to university you need lots of money. The less kids you have the bigger the chance you can afford university for them. It also implies that your own income needs to be good to even afford one graduate, let alone four or five. Kids are expensive. And a graduate usually earns better than a supermarket cashier.

Some religions and/or cultures forbid birth control, and the poor are less informed, or it's not accessible, but the result is that there are fewer higher education professionals resulting in a surplus of under-educated unemployed, which also stimulates (mass) migration.

There is a massive shortage of professional care workers in Europe for the aging population and general health care institutes. But there are a lot of scandals of nursing homes where imported staff is at the center of abuse. Clearly, migration is not the solution.
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« Reply #470 on: May 13, 2024, 02:21:08 AM »
I think there is something else nobody, including the MAGAts, don't discuss--and it really is nasty and exploitive--but many of those immigrants are willing to take jobs that "real Americans" won't take. "Real Americans" don't want to pick strawberries and heads of lettuce under a blazing hot sun, or clean nasty bathrooms--but many immigrants will.

It's the same here. Back in the 1960's we allowed migrant workers under limited stay contracts to come in and do the factory and agricultural jobs the locals (nationals?) no longer wanted to do. This still happens, but it's more profitable to use illegal migrants. Low pay, long hours, no taxes. There's a lot of abuse of what can only be called slave labor.

The higher earners, making longer hours, also started using nannies, babysitters and cleaners. With both parents working, help was needed. Daycare can be amazingly expensive. It's also costly to employ them legally, who can afford all that?

More of all types of low wage work is being automated, like agriculture. Most of our factories have moved to China or elsewhere. Supermarket cashier was a typical 'career' for second generation migrants, but with self-checkouts this is no longer needed. Allowing more people in to do disappearing jobs is not the answer.

Europe has a huge shortage of professional care workers. Even more so after COVID. Lowering the standards to attract migrant workers from Eastern Europe and elsewhere in this field has unfortunately resulted in mass abuse of the elderly and a degradation in general care standards. So the standards were re-enforced, but the problem remained. Highly trained but with low wages many professionals are moving to the States and elsewhere where pay is much better.

And with the trend towards automation, but an increase of migrants the practical question is what will we do with all these people?

It's complicated, and any politician offering easy solutions is full of it.

Some stats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_European_Union
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/interactive-publications/demography-2023
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« Reply #471 on: May 13, 2024, 11:32:18 AM »
And with the trend towards automation, but an increase of migrants, the practical question is what will we do with all these people?

I don't know about Europe, but in the U.S., if you look at the issue of immigration it isn't really a huge problem. The MAGA party is using it as fear mongering, largely race baiting, and when you keep repeating every little thing wrong with something in infinitesimal detail that's all you're going to know. The big picture?

'Americans are clamoring for immigrant labor…Whether they realize it or not'
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Biden's 'border crisis' is actually an economic success story
A new analysis shows how the large influx of immigrants during Biden's tenure helped grow the U.S. economy.
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'Massive Benefit": Immigration Surge Set to Boost U.S. Economy by $7 Trillion
The Congressional Budget Office predicts that the GDP of the U.S. economy is going to be boosted by $7 trillion over the next ten years due to the surge in immigration. “If you care about the growth of the U.S. economy and more deeply about the strength of our country as a whole—we should be grateful for our immigration rates and find ways to make paths into this great country more orderly and humane.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgKBusMm5xM

The past 16 years I have been astonished at the increasing amount of idiocy that people are willing to believe is true. There has always been an undercurrent of MAGA-ness in the U.S. and it has manifested itself over the years in various ways, but there have been guardrails that used to stop it, or at least curtail it, such as the leaders of our political parties standing up for the truth of the matters. In the Rep. party those people have all succumbed to power grabbing rhetoric to keep them in office; the truth be damned. Coinciding with this is the rise of electronic media--computers, iPhones and the like where anything can be spread around the world instantly. If you notice, people usually glom onto to the outrageous and falseness than any truth of a matter.

Things become hot button and hotly debated issues that really aren't, or shouldn't be. Like trans people. I wager that perhaps, and I'm being generous here, 95% of people in the U.S. have never dealt with personally. It's estimated that 1.03 percent of adults in the U.S. LINK]are transgender. I'm in Los Angeles/West Hollywood and I've had very rare associations with any trans people. So to think that it's a MAJOR ISSUE for most American voters is ridiculous and yet we hear about it all the time now in media circles.

I laugh when I see people being interviewed at MAGA rallies in states where there are hardly any immigrants, or hardly any people at all, and they're all so concerned about this issue. Really?

So many example of this kind of thing.

The focus of "news" seems to be mostly to keep viewers watching the news, not to give people information they can trust and use.

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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #472 on: May 13, 2024, 12:53:43 PM »
An astonishing number of people are willing to cut off their noses to spite their faces.

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« Reply #473 on: May 13, 2024, 01:22:59 PM »
All of the above discussions simply boil down to no matter how many scientific studies and hard statistics are presented and things are proven to be a certain way, the MAGA a**holes will NEVER believe any of it.

And the younger generation doesn't want to take the time to read in any depth these studies and statistics, so it's almost impossible to counteract the MAGA a**hole voters with the younger voters who don't take the time to be informed. Thus we end up with total clusterf**k  that we have now in American politics. >:D
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« Reply #474 on: May 13, 2024, 02:06:46 PM »
I don't know about Europe, but in the U.S., if you look at the issue of immigration it isn't really a huge problem. The MAGA party is using it as fear mongering, largely race baiting, and when you keep repeating every little thing wrong with something in infinitesimal detail that's all you're going to know. The big picture?

I agree. Europe also needs fresh blood, so to speak, and there are labor shortages. But we are only coming together after thousands of years of fighting each other and traditions go back just as far. And suddenly there is this influx of 'foreigners' now that we are all 'Europeans' and it's scaring a lot of people. There are plenty of places where no one had ever seen an African outside of television, or even a Muslim, and all of a sudden they are 'everywhere', with only their bad behavior being made public. And it's not only Africans, Asians and Muslims, just anyone not local. So it's been relatively easy for these parties to gain some momentum in certain places.

Migration was one of the defining factors of the BREXIT vote. Totally unsubstantiated, pure fear mongering and the UK has had severe labor and supply problems since then. Because what, it's better to import their onions from Australia and China then from across the Channel? As was said here before, are the pro-BREXIT voters ready to pick strawberries? 

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Coinciding with this is the rise of electronic media--computers, iPhones and the like where anything can be spread around the world instantly. If you notice, people usually glom onto to the outrageous and falseness than any truth of a matter. ... The focus of "news" seems to be mostly to keep viewers watching the news, not to give people information they can trust and use.

I don't use social media and I try and keep my information sources verified, from trustworthy sources, and even then it's not 100%, as they often just regurgitate whatever is mainstream. But it's getting better, now that there is awareness. Russia has been a main source lately, as expected, though certainly not a new one. But maybe I'm the one reading the 'wrong information'.

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Things become hot button and hotly debated issues that really aren't, or shouldn't be. Like trans people. I wager that perhaps, and I'm being generous here, 95% of people in the U.S. have never dealt with personally. It's estimated that 1.03 percent of adults in the U.S. LINK]are transgender. I'm in Los Angeles/West Hollywood and I've had very rare associations with any trans people. So to think that it's a MAJOR ISSUE for most American voters is ridiculous and yet we hear about it all the time now in media circles.

Yes, it's ridiculous, totally out of proportion. But the LGBT community has ever been a favorite scapegoat. It's less in Europe but I wouldn't recommend going RuPaul out in any back country, not unless it's your intention to provoke (and probably get beaten). But at least the mainstream parties aren't making it an issue, mostly the religious right. Europe's greatest musical tradition was just won by a non-binary person and I haven't come across any condemnation of that so far. 

I'm an ethnic mix myself, from colonial times, mostly European, and it would be very hypocritical of me to pretend otherwise. So I'm not against migration but considering the numbers I do think it needs to be regulated because it is causing real problems. I would hate to see our beautiful cities become unsafe again, as they have, because anyone not granted permission to stay as migrant or asylum seeker is not deported, and they have no choice but to either hide in an ethnic neighborhood, live on the streets, with a good chance of becoming a victim of organized crime. And that's not right either.
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« Reply #478 on: May 22, 2024, 08:22:03 PM »
Nikki Haley is going to vote for the GOT.

Biden can crow all he wants that the economy is in great shape, but if you have a family to provide for, and your pay isn't going up, and prices are going up, you're not going to give a sh*t about the larger economy.

The MAGA-its are calling Biden a liar or demented. Once again I'm really not seeing the Dems hitting back likewise.

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« Reply #479 on: May 23, 2024, 10:03:22 AM »
Nikki Haley is going to vote for the GOT.

So Trump was right, she IS an idiot.