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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #1170 on: November 20, 2024, 11:26:00 PM »
^^^
So true. Unfortunately, the majority of voters, and increasingly here in Europe, think there are easy solutions to complex problems, and believe the lies.

As I just told my MAGA sister, 'He will fix everything on Day One, and we will all spend the next four years (and beyond) fixing his Day One solutions."
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« Reply #1171 on: November 21, 2024, 09:24:18 AM »
As I just told my MAGA sister, 'He will fix everything on Day One, and we will all spend the next four years (and beyond) fixing his Day One solutions."
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(I'm just afraid he and his MAGA minions will figure out a way to make it eight. Maybe he won't live that long--we can always hope--but then we've got Vance, etc., to deal with. When I read about Vance being his "heir" and the new face of Trumpism I'm afraid Trumpism is never going to go away.  >:( )

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« Reply #1172 on: November 21, 2024, 10:17:56 AM »
This is all worth noting, so I'm putting the entire article here:

The Final 2024 Election Tally is Almost In. It Should End the MAGA Mandate Myth.
There’s going to be a reckoning about the distance between what the swing voters who gave Trump this majority were voting for and what they’re about to get.
by Chris Hayes
https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/MAGA-mandate-myth-rcna181039

It’s been just over two weeks since the election and, because of the pace at which California counts votes, it’s only now that we almost have the final vote tally for the entire election. And guess what?

Yes, Donald Trump won the election. He will be the next president. There’s no question about that. But it’s also one of the narrowest popular vote wins in U.S. history. He got less than half the votes cast, winning a plurality but not a majority of the popular vote.

Trump won by about 2.5 million votes out of more than 150 million cast. That means his lead over Vice President Kamala Harris in the popular vote is down to about 1.6%. In fact, when comparing Trump’s margin of victory to every presidential election going back to 2000, the president-elect boasts the smallest margin of anyone who’s actually won their election and the popular vote. Sure, he got a higher share than Al Gore, who lost in 2000, but he also won the popular vote by less than Hillary Clinton did in 2016.

Not only was Trump’s victory historically narrow, but Democrats also did surprisingly well in down-ballot races for a “losing” side. Yes, they lost three Senate seats in Ohio, West Virginia and Montana — states that Trump won by huge margins. That’s the sort of result you expect. But Democrats also managed to eke out four Senate victories in swing states that Trump won: Wisconsin, Michigan, Nevada and Arizona. That’s not what you’d expect.

In 2016 and 2020, Democrats didn’t win any Senate races in states Trump won. This time they won four. It seems Trump didn’t really offer Republicans much in the way of coattails to ride.

Just look at the House, where the balance of power is going to remain essentially unchanged. In fact, if the current House results hold and Trump succeeds in getting confirmation for his Cabinet nominees who sit in Congress, the Republican Party is on track for the smallest House majority since there have been 50 states.

So take a step back and keep all of this in mind when you hear Trump and his supporters suggest that the election was this enormous wave in which a transformation swept across the country, in which Americans were just begging for a MAGA makeover.

That is the line Republicans are selling — and lots in the mainstream media are granting it in various ways — but it’s just plainly not true. And we’ve gone through this all before. Just compare all the postmortems in the past two weeks about “what the American people really wanted” when Trump won by 1.6 points nationally to the postmortems we got in 2016, after Clinton beat him by 2.1% nationally, but lost in the Electoral College. It’s all the same stuff.

Back then, it was all about how the real Americans wanted Trump and how Democrats were so out of touch. And now, we’re hearing the same things, about Americans wanting Trump and everyone else — the other half of the country — is just out of touch. It’s all ludicrous.

Because what we’re talking about was essentially down to tiny portions of the electorate switching votes at the last minute. And again, those voters matter: They’re what gave Trump a victory and it’s why he’ll be the next president.

Generally, what we know is that people felt like the country is on the wrong track. Late deciders did not like higher prices, they felt squeezed, and they wanted something different. But it is ludicrous to read that as a mandate for the absolute avalanche of insanity that Trump and Republicans are planning for his second administration.

From the plan to use the military to forcibly expel millions of migrants from the country — and possibly imprison people in blue states who don’t comply with their deportations; to getting rid of birthright citizenship, which is written into the 14th Amendment; to using and abusing the Justice Department as a tool for retribution against perceived political enemies; to using the Federal Communications Committee to threaten media that’s critical of Trump; to threatening the health and well-being of trans people and women; and to driving the prices of virtually everything up with tariffs on the goods people buy every day.

Kamala Harris had a line in her campaign speeches about how she would start on Day 1 with a to-do list and Trump would start with an enemies list. She was right. And yes, ultimately, she lost but there was no mandate in this election for an enemies list. There was a mandate for cheaper gas and cheaper eggs. 

But Trump has no policy plan for cheaper gas or cheaper eggs. What he has plans for is to let an unelected Elon Musk run roughshod over the government, along with every other crazy radical Project 2025 right-wing fever dream, all while Trump pursues his own personal grievances.

At a certain point, there’s going to be a reckoning about the distance between what the swing voters who gave Trump this majority were voting for and what they’re about to get.

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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #1173 on: November 21, 2024, 10:21:29 AM »
No doubt we'll hear how the earth has ceased spinning and the sun is standing still just like in the time of Joshua, but that we're too blinded by the First Felon Derangement Syndrome to notice.

Reminds me of how some groups of fundamentalists demand that the crucifixion didn't take place on a Friday but rather earlier, so that Jesus spent three 24-hour days in the tomb. Anything to satisfy their literalism.

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« Reply #1174 on: November 21, 2024, 11:05:05 AM »

Hillary Clinton got more votes than Trump did this election.
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Remember that PBS series Meeting of Minds? Where actors played historical figures, but in a talk-show format? Guests would interact with each other and the host Steve Allen? It was on from 1977-81. I'd like to see one where the historical U.S. figures who were writing our constitution discuss the "electoral college" system and also discuss their thoughts on the 2nd amendment.
The show's dialog always tried to use actual things the people had said in conversation or speeches or at least had written their thoughts and ideas about.

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« Reply #1175 on: November 21, 2024, 03:49:57 PM »
Remember that PBS series Meeting of Minds? Where actors played historical figures, but in a talk-show format? Guests would interact with each other and the host Steve Allen? It was on from 1977-81. I'd like to see one where the historical U.S. figures who were writing our constitution discuss the "electoral college" system and also discuss their thoughts on the 2nd amendment.
The show's dialog always tried to use actual things the people had said in conversation or speeches or at least had written their thoughts and ideas about.

Loved that show!

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« Reply #1176 on: November 21, 2024, 03:53:31 PM »
Just look at the House, where the balance of power is going to remain essentially unchanged. In fact, if the current House results hold and Trump succeeds in getting confirmation for his Cabinet nominees who sit in Congress, the Republican Party is on track for the smallest House majority since there have been 50 states.

Well, that slimeball Matt Gaetz gave up his House seat to be Attorney General, and now he's withdrawn his name for consideration for A.G., so what's going to happen there?

Special election in Florida?

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« Reply #1177 on: November 21, 2024, 03:55:33 PM »
Apparently the GOP House leadership is seeing whether he can rescind his resignation.

But then the ethics committee will once again have jurisdiction, unless Johnson waves his magic wand.

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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #1178 on: November 21, 2024, 05:37:32 PM »
Johnson is nothing more than another white bigot wrapping himself in HIS religion freedom dogma which is another name for organized hate, wll the while bending over for the GoS and professing he’s not.  All BS.

Great article BTW. Clearly no red wave and no mandate to slash and burn everything in sight.  I really hope inflation hits 15% or higher as a reminder of their choice.

Yes this electorate is going to learn a hard lesson in believing lying politicians when inflation accelerates like wildfire…. The markets are already reacting….V.
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« Reply #1179 on: November 21, 2024, 05:46:58 PM »
Johnson is nothing more than another white bigot wrapping himself is religion while bending over for the GoS and professing he’s not.  All BS. 

He was asked about bathroom use (  ::)  ) by the new Representative from Delaware, who is a transwoman, so of course his response included statements that there are two genders, and a man cannot become a woman, "but we have to treat all people with dignity."

Please. ...  ::)

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« Reply #1180 on: November 22, 2024, 12:50:31 AM »
This is all worth noting, so I'm putting the entire article here:

The Final 2024 Election Tally is Almost In. It Should End the MAGA Mandate Myth.
There’s going to be a reckoning about the distance between what the swing voters who gave Trump this majority were voting for and what they’re about to get.
by Chris Hayes
https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/MAGA-mandate-myth-rcna181039


Wonderful. Thanks for that, I'll be sending it around.  :D
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« Reply #1181 on: November 22, 2024, 10:07:20 AM »
Johnson is nothing more than another white bigot wrapping himself in HIS religion freedom dogma which is another name for organized hate, wll the while bending over for the GoS and professing he’s not.  All BS.

I really bristle at people like Mike Johnson who think they are "holier than thou." Ass-holier maybe.

I've noted that so many people on youtube news blogs are calling him Trump's Little Johnson.


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« Reply #1182 on: November 22, 2024, 10:08:47 AM »
[...] unless Johnson waves his magic wand.

Magic Johnson?  I thought his son was supposed to be keeping track of that, by the way.

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« Reply #1183 on: November 22, 2024, 10:50:50 AM »
I read today that Walmart is raising prices now to prepare for the tariffs the pee-elect is planning. Another price gouging scheme in advance to fleece the public before it's necessary. Hmm...the two states with the most Walmarts in them are Texas and Florida.

And Biden is moving to secure some parts of the American economy (from Trump) before he leaves office.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f49_yKmRfqQ

When Truman was in office he was not very popular, I have read, or at least not thought of as that good a President, but historians on hindsight have rated him as quite a good President. I think the same is going to be said of Biden. I was listening to someone talking about our last decade of our "political climate" who made an observation that "the day to day work of the government is supposed to be boring." Like clockwork. People doing their jobs the way they're supposed to, like car manufacturing assembly lines. Good government is not noticed, in other words. The right wing media machine has taken a megaphone to upend any semblance of this normalcy. The opposition in our government, the party out of power, never used to come screaming to microphones calling the President "the worst ever". How many times do we hear people saying that about Biden and Biden is just there in White house doing his job like he's supposed to for the people of theUnited States, not for himself.

The maga party wants the Government to be in constant turmoil. Why do Americans want that? Why did they vote for it. They sold our country out for the price of eggs.

In the next year it's predicted the economy is going to be just fine. It'll be inherited by Trump, just like Obama's economy was inherited by the cretin in his first go 'round. It'll be like a roller coaster inching it's way to the top of the rails...by the time the mid-terms come 'round we shall see what's happening after the maga party's had their way with it awhile. Trump's rather obvious secret is that maga never really stood for make America great again as he's stated. Trump hates this country. It stands for make America go away.



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Re: News and Current Events - 2023 +
« Reply #1184 on: November 22, 2024, 11:10:05 AM »
Johnson is nothing more than another white bigot wrapping himself in HIS religion freedom dogma which is another name for organized hate, wll the while bending over for the GoS and professing he’s not.  All BS.

The Christian Nationalists will keep pushing their dogma.

Watch this discussion of a recent appearance from Oklahoma Superintendent of Public Instruction Ryan Walters on CNN. Anchor Pamela Brown challenges Ryan on his attempts to force his religion onto everyone in Oklahoma and his state’s failure in education.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsZtTC_tWec

This is really scary.

By the way, look at this:



Read the article the above photo is from:
Exposing Trump and Defeating the Authoritarian Loop
https://www.meidasplus.com/p/exposing-and-defeating-the-authoritarian/