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Re: Mourning Someone Who Has Died
« Reply #4005 on: April 03, 2024, 01:01:36 AM »
As a very new Brokie I was just not quite ready for Oxford. But I met Andy, Jess, Sonja, Uli and Paola (hope I’ve got them right!) a few months after this at his house. I was SOOO nervous, but then I loved it.

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Re: Mourning Someone Who Has Died
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« Reply #4007 on: April 03, 2024, 03:25:16 AM »

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Re: Mourning Someone Who Has Died
« Reply #4008 on: April 06, 2024, 08:39:29 AM »
Many ++ vibes to all the Brokies who knew Andy better than most!

I met Andy during our 2010 gathering in West Hollywood at the "Museum of the American West".  As I recall (maybe), I think Jimmy picked me up from the airport.  Then we rode around LA for several hours, up/down the coast, stopping for lunch and then he went back to pick up Andy.  We had interesting conversations all the way to the hotel!  From what everyone's shared and the many great photos - Andy was a "brokie soul through and through".  May Andy RIP as we cherish his memory and reflect on the many great events, places and interactions.  Peace.  V.

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Re: Mourning Someone Who Has Died
« Reply #4009 on: April 06, 2024, 09:14:38 AM »

(((Vincent)))

Sooooo good and so important to share all these memories.
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Re: Mourning Someone Who Has Died
« Reply #4010 on: April 07, 2024, 09:48:38 AM »
It’s been so long not only since I last posted here, but even since I logged in or let alone properly followed any conversations here. And now I log in to find such sad news.

So many lovely memories of meeting and visiting Andy. He was a special man.

And you see from the posts how loved he was. Not only here, I‘m sure!

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I forget I'm cold and crying
When your lips touch mine and I lose control
I forget I'm old and dying

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Re: Mourning Someone Who Has Died
« Reply #4011 on: April 07, 2024, 10:09:05 AM »
Hello Uli!  It's good to see you!!!

Yes, Andy was definitely loved.  Like you said, he was a special man.

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Re: Mourning Someone Who Has Died
« Reply #4012 on: April 07, 2024, 12:05:12 PM »
Hello Uli. It's so nice to see you. I see your posts over on FB. Andy was very special to all of his Brokie family, to all his friends, and to his family. He will be so missed. I'm glad you logged in to celebrate his life with all of us.
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Re: Mourning Someone Who Has Died
« Reply #4013 on: April 08, 2024, 11:29:10 AM »
It’s been so long not only since I last posted here, but even since I logged in or let alone properly followed any conversations here. And now I log in to find such sad news.
So many lovely memories of meeting and visiting Andy. He was a special man.
And you see from the posts how loved he was. Not only here, I‘m sure!

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Re: Mourning Someone Who Has Died
« Reply #4014 on: April 09, 2024, 07:03:36 AM »
Good to see you, Uli, even at this sad time.

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Re: Mourning Someone Who Has Died
« Reply #4015 on: May 08, 2024, 02:49:20 PM »
Dear all,

Anyone from the original Forum may remember me, Vic, and especially someone called Dragon. He was at the Texas BBQ. Real name Tony. Tall, blond, glasses.

It's about 20 years ago now. Great film, great forum and very wonderful people I met then. I was coming out of a difficult time and I happened to watch the film by accident. Something shifted in me and I went online in search to talk about it. I encountered Dave Cullen's site with the BBM forum.

At the forum I met someone called Dragon, who had been thrown off at some point for being controversial (he never told me why or what). We talked a lot, both in the forum and privately and we developed a need to meet. We finally met up in Paris, January 2007, because there were two things we wanted to see there, besides meeting in real life, the Tin Tin Exhibition and the Afghan Gold Treasure that was on a world tour.

We met at the hotel bar at 8pm, and as I saw him sitting there in a lounge chair, reading a newspaper, I knew then and there, yes. We spent the next 17 years together until his death in October 21, from complications due to a heart problem and diabetes. He was the love of my life, and I just miss him so much every day.

Watching the Eurovision alone, which was one of our great fun traditions, I can just see him, next to me, as we make comments on song, dress, the ultimate gayness of it all. And there is this great hole in my life. My mind cast back to our meeting, the BBM forum, and I had to go online to see if it still exists somewhere, and to let anyone who remembers him know that he is no longer with us. He had many contacts, both on the forum and in real life, most of which I don't know even to this day. He surprised me on my birthday some years ago with a signed poster of the film, framed, because it was Brokeback Mountain that brought us together. It has always hung on the bedroom wall and will again soon, when I have a new home, everything being in storage right now, while I decide where to settle.

He was a great person, gentle, intelligent, generous, loving. We were not young when we met, he was 38, I was 44, he'd never had a real relationship, due to his position and the homophobia that was an unfortunate part of his life. A man of secrets.

Our life together was happiness, we never argued, though we differed significantly on many issues as well as background and upbringing. It never stood in our way and I feel blessed to have met him and be his love all this time. We traveled the world together and had a house and business together. I have sold and closed all that and moved to another country because I cannot deal with it. For my peace of mind I need to be somewhere he never was. I live with the memories, but I cannot live in them, seeing him everywhere every day. I cannot. Still, as I drive around this new place alone, he's there next to me anyway, checking his maps and calling out all the interesting places we can go see.

His death broke something in me, I'm old now, and I try to look forward, but I don't really care. I do what I have to do because I don't know what else. Death is final, nothing to be done about it. I do dream with him regularly, happy dreams, and I hate the waking up after, to face another day without him. I'm not alone, I have friends and family, who all knew and loved him. But it's not the same. They contact me on his birthday and now, with Eurovision, because they remember us together and how happy we were and the fun we had with it.

He was not with me when he died, I didn't find out until the afternoon, when I was called. His habit was to contact me before he left for office, and I was already worried he hadn't done so that day. I was at a friend's house, making plans for our next big trip together, she had joined us on a previous trip some years before, for when he was feeling better. He had been quite ill, spending months in hospital during COVID and I couldn't see him, we were 3000km apart and in lock down, and eventually he had a heart monitor installed. He was warned not to travel but airports were his second home. That, and family and business obligations, often kept him away for long times, but we spoke every single day. Especially in the evenings when the work was done. And I was running the business so my days were full as well.

As I said before, I just miss him so much, every day, in a hundred ways. When friends asked me to join them for a dinner and band evening the other day I declined. I was told I was a hermit, I said, I am still in mourning and I don't want to be fake. I am not able to go to the cemetery where he is buried because that country is closed for tourists right now or, at the least, not safe, especially for LGBT people, and I've been advised to wait. Some day I will go. I must.

For anyone who remembers Dragon (Tony) know he loved you all and enjoyed his friendship with you. I know he was very secretive about his private life, and I will continue to respect that. But please do contact me here or privately if you want, and I will try and answer the best I can. And share the fun stories and memories.

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Re: Mourning Someone Who Has Died
« Reply #4016 on: May 08, 2024, 04:03:07 PM »
++++ thoughts your way.  A wonderful tribute to the love of your life.  V.

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Re: Mourning Someone Who Has Died
« Reply #4017 on: May 08, 2024, 04:25:52 PM »
Vic, sending you hugs and love.   Thank you for coming and sharing your thoughts and feelings about Dragon.

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« Reply #4018 on: May 09, 2024, 01:13:53 AM »
Hello Vic. Thanks so much for this wonderful tribute for Tony. I am the one who hosted the Texas BBQ and yes I do remember Tony. I agree, he was very private and  secretive. We had some good talks together back then.

I am so very happy you found one another! The movie and the forum had a way of bringing people together, be it a romantic connection or deep lifelong friendships. Your grieving process is your own and however long it takes is how long it takes.

Thank you again for letting us know about you and about Tony. May he rest in peace and may you find peace in your life until it is time to be with him again.
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Re: Mourning Someone Who Has Died
« Reply #4019 on: May 09, 2024, 02:31:54 AM »
Hello killersmom, and CellarDwellar115!

I do remember you both from the BBM forum. I don't think we ever spoke directly but thank you for your kind message, and remembering him.

I did get to know most of his secrets over time, of course. He had good reasons for keeping his secrets and privacy. In that particular part of his life, I was his biggest secret, naturally. Knowing he was gay would have destroyed his reputation, harmed his family and the family business, and all the good work he did for the GLBT community and others. He was always ready to help anyone who needed it.

In my life, I've never been in the closet, he knew all my friends and family. They came to visit us regularly and we visited them on our travels. We spent holidays together with them. I knew almost no one from his side, including his direct family, he kept me very compartmentalized, something he did with all his friendships too, I found out. Though when I finally met his family, after an emergency medical repatriation (he collapsed and almost died), since I had no rights as his partner, and I had to involve them, they were not unfriendly. I guess that was the moment I dragged him out of one of his closets. I'm very much my own person, regardless of who they are and think they are. This man was important to me and no one would get in my way to protect him when he needed it. His mom, who is quite the religious person, valued her son's happiness over her beliefs and I will always thank her for that. They accepted the reality of me if not me myself. Fine. But I did understand finally why he kept us separated over the years.

She calls me every so often now, and we talk about him. He was her baby, the youngest, and she tells me stories from when he was a child, and I tell her of the things we did together and how happy it made him. She didn't know much about his life, he being always private. He took after his father, she told me. It's a shame that it took his death for me to get to know his family a bit better. But that is not a relationship I will pursue, they're not him, after all.

Anyway, if you know of any other people of BBM or elsewhere, who may wonder what happened to him, please do let them know. I greatly appreciate it, as would he. He was important to a number of people. I never had access to any of his email addresses, but I can imagine there would be messages. I'm sorry it took so long for me to come with this but I needed time. Slowly.

Thank you both! And thank you for listening to me.
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